That end with the Anjanath wasn't bugged btw. His nest is up in a vine-y area where he will lose his footing and fall into the vines if you stagger him while he's on them. When he went through the floor, it's because he can dig through to go to a lower level or climb up to a higher one at anytime.
Once you really starts getting the hang of stringing combos together and you see that kill timer go from 40m -> 35m -> 28m -> 21m -> 16m -> 9m, that's the moment MH will start really sticking.
yea but it is very easy to craft or equip at start, there are no restrictions and materials are very cheap. New players will hit a wall at iceborne after not learning mechanices through base game, kinda like being boosted in mmorpg.
@@wiziek I used the defender set without knowing it was meant to be boosted gear, didn't matter much to me ultimately. Unlike an mmo, you have the option to learn by yourself so I don't really see this as an issue. Either you learn when you fight the Barioth, or you learn when you fight the Anjanath, not really a big deal either way.
@@wiziek the majority of people who boot up monster hunter never bothered to learn its mechanics regardless. this set has done more to keep players around than anything else the franchise has ever done. it doesn't hurt anything.
In that Barroth fight me yelling at the screen Mike sharpen your Weapon please for the Love of God. I don't wanna know how his chat was like they must be Furious the whole Stream about it.
Ok the game does tell you about all the functions of a weapon. But like PoE you have to go look for them in the menus. Your hunters notes have a much more in depth section about each weapon and how they function
Yeah world does have a bit of an information and tutorial issue. Rise and wilds do take bigger steps in fixing this problem, but it does still rely on the player reading and doing a menu dive. A lot of this game informational is proped up by veterans as then share their game knowledge like folklore. This compliments the cooperative experience of this game a great deal, but I do agree that the game could do much more with an improved onboarding system and ui.
I disagree, the information is there, most people just don't look for it. the weapon gauges being a prime example, they are explained in the hunter notes but everyone ignores that they are even there.
@@AngryPlayerGaming cause that's not the gamers have really ever taken in information. digital hunter notes are just the game manual everyone used to throw away. it's not an effective method for reaching people.
@@AngryPlayerGaming the main "folklore" levels of information I am referring to are things like motion values, which weapons do better with elemental and statuses. Even the weapon info pages don't tell you everything about the best combos.
@@AngryPlayerGaming The point is when the average person plays a game, when you are provided a tutorial, no matter how simple it is, you should not feel the need to look for more tutorials or guides. Why would the game hide large portions of its tutorial away in menus? It doesn't make sense. If the game bothers to shows you a guide, then thats all you should need to know. The 3 combos in the training room? If thats all they show you then thats all you would know, simple as that. Not everyone sits in a lecture hall, listen to what the professor teaches about history, and then thinks to themselves to do a deeper dive into said history. What the professor teaches is what SHOULD appear in the tests. Edit: I main charge blade and googled all the combos, not look through the menus. I'm still angry at the poor tutorial and UI design....
World is the best tutorialized MH game, I've seen even new player complain it has TOO MANY tutorials. It explains just about everything and shows you ALL the information you need. So no, it does not have "an information and tutorial issue". Some people just have issues with learning games unless they literally hold their hand every step of the way.
"And the fight is taking me 30 minutes" Hmmm, I wonder, his gameplay looks pretty average why would it take so... *looks at sharpness meter* ooooOOOOOOH NOOOOOOO
I've gotten into the habit of suggesting people play GS first then switch over. Teaches some fundamental skills and is a lot simpler to initially learn. Especially helps with teaching timing/positioning which are probably the most fundamental skills. Seen people try and learn it on Swaxe first as a totally new player and it's pretty rough. Like trying to learn all this while also managing the switching mechanic just isn't gonna happen lol
excited to see you play through these and excited these recaps are returning! Have a good time with it, Preach. If you enjoy it, would love to see you go back in time and try some of the older games. Different vibes but just as amazing.
This is great, always love seeing new players pick up the game! I would like to offer some pointers here that really helped me out. All movesets for each weapon can be found in the hunter notes. It’s a good idea to spend a bit of time in the training room with each weapon to see which one feels best to you. Video tutorials are really helpful too, but they aren’t necessary at the start. Even though it’s an action combat game, a common mistake new players make is treating it like a hack n’ slash. What helps is to instead think of the fights as if they are turn based. You attack when there is an opening, and react when the monster makes its move. This will get easier when you become more comfortable with your weapon of choice. Learning your weapon well gives your mind more space to pay attention to the monster and its actions. The magic of monster hunters combat will really start to show when you get to this point. That’s all for now. Super excited for MHWilds, and I’m looking forward to playing with you all! Happy Hunting!
Glad to see you play Monster Hunter! I've been playing since 3 Ultimate on the 3ds/WiiU and adore these games! Can't wait to see your journey through World!
The challenge for me with learning weapons in MH is that to some degree the game tells you what you can do, but it doesn't help you understand why you'd do any particular thing. Often all it takes is watching a few minutes of gameplay with that weapon to see how the kit comes together, but if you're not doing that then the more complicated weapons are going to be frustrating to try and work out through trial-and-error. It's a like a fighting game where you've got a move list with all the special moves but nothing about how juggles work for that characters. Once you get it, it clicks and is a hell of a lot of fun. I prefer games with this degree of complexity because it's even more satisfying when you figure it all out, but Mike's frustrations as a brand new player are valid and relatable.
Yep, it's pretty much like a fighting game in that regard. The game will tell you the controls, show how to do the moves, maybe even propose a few basic combos, but it's up to YOU to take all those pieces and put them together in a way that works. Could the game tell you EVERYTHING there is to know about the weapon and how to play it exactly? Does it need to? Absolutely not.
As someone whos watched your content since you did Cata class guides im delighted than you can experience one of my most cherished franchises ... a franchise i have been playing since 2005 when it came out in the UK and the same year i started playing Wow as well .
on the whole "it doesnt tell you that" thing. I will say there is a thing above your onjective/quest that shows you every combo button input and the attack relating to it. It shows that pressing RT starts it with a sword attack. While the game doesnt hold your hand on mastering a weapon i would say it gives you all the upfront info combo wise and you then just feel the flow of the weapon. THats my personal opinion on it anyway. But once that combat does click man its so fun just bullying monsters once you just "get it" as some would say.
I clicked with rise a lot more than world because of the movement freedom, but yeah in my fairly limited experience with the franchise these games are not really going to click until you spend two hours reading and fully absorbing all the menus and tutorials/outside info But once you do in one, it's pretty transferrable despite each game having a lot of differences
I started playing MH back in November and Ive only played fps games for the past 10-12 years. I picked up MH and played solo and blind until the endgame, and wow was it a fun journey. I am glad to see someone had the same questions and problems with game mechanics. Love the videos and i cant wait to play Wilds from day 1 with the MH community 😁
Hell yeah! I just spotted you're live on Khan's cast and tuned in. Two of my long time followed channels sit down for a chat, I'm all for it. Damn Preach you better upload your jounrey in full. Welcome aboard, hunter 🔨 🪓 🗡🏹
as someone that never seen MonHun until i played MHWorld all those years ago - i never had a struggle to figure out how game works. 90% of important information is already in the game, most i struggled with was some UI elements like that clock in top right corner, or some buff-debuff icons.
I kinda didn't really get into demo ot World at first, had to play release game with some research. Rise is bit faster but UI and mechanics are still there.
As a third-fleeter, welcome! Everyone remembers their first Monster Hunter game experience -- the title that got them hooked on the series. Even when we move on to other games in the series, we always have a particularly fond place in our hearts for where we initially cut our teeth, as will you I'm sure.
Something that I will say is that is always fascinating watching players do this game blind and hearing their thoughts about it. Even if I don't get the chance to watch live and I just get these sort of 'story time' snippets its always fun to see. The assumptions you are going to make about things and the unique way everyone problems solves is something that you only really get to experience once. If you are enjoying the game then I highly recommend doing your best to stay blind for as long as possible because it will only further enhance the game for you. That said I understand that you are doing this as a streamer and at *some* point you do sort of have to actually interact with your stream...
@6:50 the lack of explanation I have come around to believing is by design for the weapons. the pro's already know, so they don't need an explanation, but for new players I actually think it's a better on boarding experience to be given little information up front. for your first bunch of monsters your really don't need to know more than your basic swings and learning the weapon is a HUGE part of monster hunter. I've brought several new players into the game before and it always goes better when i "teach" them the weapon by basically just going over a few things (like the basic swings), waiting three or four monsters, then introducing them to a new attack or the first mechanic of their weapon etc, rinse and repeat.
I like how Monster Hunter is a bit different in regards to approaching to combat. With the extra stuff like tools, traps, and the environmental hazards, I really feel like a hunter; rather than just another warrior in most action RPGs.
Defender gear has been a thing in a lot of the games now and they've mishandled it every time. Capcom doesn't care about the experience of new players. They just want people playing whatever is currently relevant or the newest game. Realistically. You should just have a toggle in settings or something to turn that feature of the game on or off. Since Defender Gear effectively skips all early game progression. It's been a huge argument in the community since they first made the decision to add it into the games. With a very prevalent talking point in the community being "why does it matter". For the most part I think the community finally landed on just vehemently warning against new players using it (due to nightmare experiences of seeing people in icebourne content having literally no idea how to use their own weapon and basically hitting a roadblock. can very quickly ruin their experience) and if you've played any previous game. It doesn't matter cause it just skips you to the content you actually care about. Most veterans will say the game effectively doesn't even start till HR and the experience pre HR is pretty much the exact same in every MH game. However, it can become an issue due to each game having their own nuances in combat and mechanics. Which this becomes a problem again cause they've started adding multiple layers of this progression skipping. They'll have one set that skips you to high rank and one set that skips you to the start of master rank. Which this just caused even more arguments about people being "allowed to play their own way" due to the fact Capcom has actively damaged their own games progression and opened a huge can of worms. So you effectively just have to self impose restrictions to actually experience most modern Monster Hunter games has intended. Which the community really needs to understand when these tools are presented to you. It becomes hard not to use them and you kind of lose incentive to earn them yourself. This is like a foreign concept to most and you very commonly see people mocked for suggesting it. World is pretty bad but Rise is 10x worse. That game hardcore dumps resources, gear, and other things on you right when you start the game. You lose incentive to progress or farm anything and just skip to late late game.
Really awesome to see you embracing the Monster Hunter Mayhem Preach! Played around 2700 hrs on ps4 and 1000 hrs on PC so MH Vet here wishing you the best of luck 😀
Switch Axe has been my favorite weapon since my first game in the series, Monster Hunter Tri. That game has far less explanations about things than World, but it felt incredible rewarding to me to find out mechanics through experimentation. I think that's why many Japanese games hide information. They want you to experiment instead of theorize, at least when you start playing. This is just a guess, but I think it may stem from how RPGs came to Japan. They were English only at first, and many players could barely understand anything in them. Because of that, experimenting with what does what became an integral part of the gameplay experience. Many Japanese developers have dear memories of that phase of RPGs, and it may be one of the motivations to obfuscate information in their games.
The claw is an Iceborne feature. After a number of claw/weapon attacks while mounting the creature, that body part is weakened for some time (a couple of minutes or so). It’s also visually different during that time and it takes double damage, I think.
10:24 You want to know the best part? Not only is Crit in MH not called Crit, its base damage multiplier is only 1.25x! I love the series but affinity before lategame is a complete noob trap and I really hope they rework it or at least explain it earlier/better in upcoming titles.
30 minutes for your first Anjanath kill is pretty normal. Don’t feel like you’re messing up if the kills go long. Some of them take a really long time, especially when you’re new.
Even after all these years, I still feel disappointed whenever I saw that damn armor. Just imagine Fromsoft giving you a free Havel's Armor at the start of the Firelink Shrine in Dark Souls 1.
Hammer was my first weapon. Although IMO even as a new player, it's perfectly fine and even recommended to watch a weapon tutorial from a youtuber. Rurikan and Arekz Gaming (probably slightly mispelled) are the 2 channels I tended to watch to learn weapons. I started with Hammer, but I've learned about half the weapons by now. The weapon choice is by far the biggest choice to make in the game and will determine if a new player likes the game or not. I get what preach is saying about more tutorials belonging in the game, but I just don't care when it comes to this game. In Monster Hunter, it's worth looking up a tutorial and might be the difference between you enjoying the game or not.
if you don't watch the streams, Rebirth will be played when PC release is out as a lot of stream watchers didn't want to be spoiled since they dont have a Ps5. So it'll be here soon enough.
Oh cool, i'll be checking in a few times, love me some monster hunter new impressions. Edit: good on you for calling out ux ui challenges for new players. Gives me tb vibes.
Mike this ain't the game to ask for exact numbers (without going through the community of course, they documment stuff) because this was the game in the series where they introduced simple damage numbers, just knowing how much damage you are doing to the monster. And a bunch of the community FREAKED OUT. The layer of obfuscation in the middle is kinda part of the fun for many (a health bar in the monster is boring, played out, seeing it limp after fighting it for many minutes however? Great, keeps the tension). That said modern design seems to be slowly moving away from that obfuscation, Wilds has now timers for buffs and debuffs for example. But a lot of people hate it.
The DLC armor is for catching up to the start of Iceborne fast... About Hammer, is misleadingly complex, the game really dont hold your hand toward mastering a weapon, it is a very old fighting game school of learning. About Skill vs Gear, for a long time, sharpness will be your "item level" wall.
Heh, I started recently on MHW and this discovery journey is nice! There's a bunch that's not explained in game though... Explore to your hearts content and will get surprised! *"Hints at luring charging monster at walls and dodging it with wall run jumps"*
They don’t show all of the moves in the tutorial because it would be overwhelming and so they just give you the basics and let you feel it out instead of just handing you a firehose of info pointed at your face full blast.
lol his description of the weapon attacks is funny, dude was only using like a 1/5th of the move sets of each...which is totally understandable since it doesn't really explain charging and taking in the charge etc. the monsters don't go neutral, they carry on their endemic set ai....if they already turf war'd or are hungry, thirsty, tired etc they will go do that instead. the Anjanath didnt bug out, its meant to get trapped in the vines
Monster hunter has been one of my favourite games since the PSP era of freedom unite, but the one thing MH has never done is actually teach you the game properly, for better or worse you're supposed to just go in and figure thiflngs out for yourself. It's frustrating but also rewarding when you find out how to optimally use a weapon.
World/Iceborne is probably my all-time favorite game. Interested to see Mike's opinion on it. I've been toying with a re-return to World, so maybe this will inspire me.
I 100% agree about the critique where the game should teach you its systems. I love monster hunter but ill be honest i dropped MH World the first time i played it and i didn't pick it back up until a friend wanted me to play with him like a year later. Lucky for me he was very knowledgeable about the game and it's systems and taught them to me and after that is where i really started to get invested into the game to the point that i sunk like 1k hours into the game and beat every bit of content it had. I always recommend MH to new players but with the caveat that you kind of need to consume third party content to learn the game or you are probably going to get real frustrated with the game real quick. This is 100% a failing quality on the design of otherwise an amazing game series.
The opening bit, with Preach talking about how unhelpful the UI can be with learning new weapons, is one of those things that keeps people from getting into Monster Hunter in general, IMO. The game throws a LOT at you from the outset, and if you don't know how to parse through it all or focus on what you DO get and put the rest aside, you're not going to see the potential everything can lead to. My first experience with the Switch Axe was basically the same as Preach's, for example, and while I did learn it eventually I passed on it for a good while for other weapons I could actually understand.
7:44 yeah but at this point the weapons have been figured out by the community. I get the sentiment, but there are so many extremely good and reliable sources for everything out of the game that the game only really has to give you a basic idea of what the weapon does
One thing that should be known is that stats were very much hidden I believe since the inception of monster hunter. I believe world is the first game to actually have damage numbers so the old philosophy of feeling something out vs how do I make damage number go up. This franchise is old.
I hope you learned about the capture mechanic eventually. Capturing is nearly always the better option as it ends the fight sooner and contrary to what you'd think actually nets you more rewards. I'm not hugely experienced but not a complete novice either. I'm a dual blade guy.
Monster Hunter is such a weird game and veterans like me just take shit for granted at this point, but watching mike go like "what's my AoE" and "I have to cook my food?!" Is hilarious. This is awesome.
Ask someone who has tried the last 6 Monster Hunter titles, and bounced off of most of them, I agree with the sentiment that monster hunter games are like coconuts. They are really difficult to crack, but once you do, you find a really refreshing experience inside. I wanted to like Monster Hunter, but World is the first game in the series that got me to stick with it.
Whenever you're ready to take the blinders off, just go watch JoCat videos on weapons you use/want to use. Super short and as informative as it is funny. And its waaaay better than having 200 ppl try and shove all the information in your vast cranium all at once. Also this series has many years of refinement they simply cannot shove in all the tutorials they already shove in your face at the start. World is the best newplayer friendly, but it is still far from friendly lol
@@anzarudo Old Arekkz videos will kinda do too for a baseline, he's already yapping on about having to google stuff, imagine him watching an indepth guide from those two.
@@KenMochiiyeah arekks is nice with how they show the button inputs and everything. for me, his talking speed (fast) and accent is a bit hard to follow sometimes, but maybe it would be easier for preach than me!
If mike had issues with the switch axe, id stay clear of the charge blade, with the sword and shield epowerment on top of the charge phials, its a cool and fun weapon but needs a watch of a guide to fully utilise it properly
It’s really not that hard lol. Charge phials, spend them. There’s like a handful of the good moves to charge them, and like 2 or 3 ways to spend them. That’s it.
@omegaxtrigun once you know how yeah it's not bad and a great weapon to use, but it's the fact the game does a really poor job in teaching you how to get the most out of it
if you want detailed weapon guides on youtube, gaijin hunter is widely regarded as the man. i also like rurikan but i don't think he covers ranged weps
19:58 There's no such thing as a wrong way to kill a monster in MHW. If you win you win... especially if you don't cart. Some fights are long. First Anjanath kill is a pretty big moment/accomplishment, especially for a new player going in blind... even if it's Preach.
MH is about learning that s one reason d game doesn't hold ur hand. The game doesn't tell u things, what ur saying d game s telling u is u learning.what d game show u is just basic
PREACH PLAYING MONSTER HUNTER ???? WHAT YEAR IS THIS, AM I DREAMING !!!!! also yeah I can say it since this is preach first MH there is something that I need to tell you This is how OG Hunter actually is. They don't tell you; you have to figure it out yourself or play in a group. Sure, you will get carried a lot, but there are some very ultra-experienced hunters actually holding back by purposely gearing down or matching their gear so the new player can experience the hunting.
The game does a pretty poor job of explaining weapon mechanics, that is true. The "intended way" is for you to just... try it and find out on your own. As for stats and such, however, I absolutely agree - it would be much better if they were more specific in regards to what stats do and mean, and the exact values. A critical strike in Monster Hunter does 1.25x damage by default, but that number can be increased with the Critical Boost skill. They get a LITTLE bit better at explaining and specifying stats in MH Rise, but not much. Affinity is basically your crit chance; by my guess, the reason why they call it "affinity" rather than "crit chance" is the fact that there's a specific mechanic for "anti crits", when you have a negative affinity; giving the entire mechanic a different name is a way to differentiate it from the very strongly established critical hit from many other games. Best of luck with this fantastic game!
It sucks because the new generation of gamers are being trained like Mike wants them to, by essentially having an essay trickled into some kind of tutorial that literally says to try every single thing you can do right at the start, killing any chance of natural discoverability, and tightening the scale for personal improvement. I wish modern (and boomer) gamers had the guts to just just try things anymore. A journal with a combo list is more than enough. Games don't need a section going: Try Combo 1 -> press press press -> Great!
This video is watched by thousands of experience hunters, listening to a noob explaining the mechanics they already know. hunters are weird like that, we just like hearing new players talk about the games we already know very well and love 😂
That end with the Anjanath wasn't bugged btw. His nest is up in a vine-y area where he will lose his footing and fall into the vines if you stagger him while he's on them. When he went through the floor, it's because he can dig through to go to a lower level or climb up to a higher one at anytime.
Yea looks like it, it can also happen in next area, wont comment more about details to avoid spoilers.
And the camera going around anjanath was just the killcam
Once you really starts getting the hang of stringing combos together and you see that kill timer go from 40m -> 35m -> 28m -> 21m -> 16m -> 9m, that's the moment MH will start really sticking.
And then there is my 57:03 KT on sandstripe zamtrios in 4U because I entered G rank with -15 water res armor and was getting 2 shot 😂.
@@ridleyroid9060Tigerstripe is a difficulty spike to be fair.
The defenders gear was purposefully made over powered to help people power through world content to get to Iceborn content.
yea but it is very easy to craft or equip at start, there are no restrictions and materials are very cheap. New players will hit a wall at iceborne after not learning mechanices through base game, kinda like being boosted in mmorpg.
@@wiziek I used the defender set without knowing it was meant to be boosted gear, didn't matter much to me ultimately. Unlike an mmo, you have the option to learn by yourself so I don't really see this as an issue. Either you learn when you fight the Barioth, or you learn when you fight the Anjanath, not really a big deal either way.
@@wiziek the majority of people who boot up monster hunter never bothered to learn its mechanics regardless. this set has done more to keep players around than anything else the franchise has ever done. it doesn't hurt anything.
@@Frosteawtf are you talking about? With it you ignore nearly every mechanic for low rank and for big part of high rank.
@@derpderpin1568lmao next guy who have no idea what is he talking about.
Probably just shouting into the void but the weapons mechanics are explained in the hunters notes section of the menu
He found it at the last 5min of the stream if it can reasure you.
@@Squallcloud95im halfway thru his day 1 stream and was wondering if he would find it! nice. he was looking for it a few hunts in but just missed it😅
I dont blame him, the game does a poor job of explaining a lot of mechanics
In that Barroth fight me yelling at the screen Mike sharpen your Weapon please for the Love of God. I don't wanna know how his chat was like they must be Furious the whole Stream about it.
I was worried these recap videos were gone!
His playthrough been peak cinema at times. Swinging between vines, falling, tries to swing again but he's riding on a pig. 😂
ohhhhhh im totally in for this series! the good ol struggle of learning monster hunter lol
love these videos, also love the blind runs, avoiding spoilers etc
Ok the game does tell you about all the functions of a weapon. But like PoE you have to go look for them in the menus. Your hunters notes have a much more in depth section about each weapon and how they function
Yeah world does have a bit of an information and tutorial issue. Rise and wilds do take bigger steps in fixing this problem, but it does still rely on the player reading and doing a menu dive.
A lot of this game informational is proped up by veterans as then share their game knowledge like folklore. This compliments the cooperative experience of this game a great deal, but I do agree that the game could do much more with an improved onboarding system and ui.
I disagree, the information is there, most people just don't look for it. the weapon gauges being a prime example, they are explained in the hunter notes but everyone ignores that they are even there.
@@AngryPlayerGaming cause that's not the gamers have really ever taken in information. digital hunter notes are just the game manual everyone used to throw away. it's not an effective method for reaching people.
@@AngryPlayerGaming the main "folklore" levels of information I am referring to are things like motion values, which weapons do better with elemental and statuses. Even the weapon info pages don't tell you everything about the best combos.
@@AngryPlayerGaming The point is when the average person plays a game, when you are provided a tutorial, no matter how simple it is, you should not feel the need to look for more tutorials or guides.
Why would the game hide large portions of its tutorial away in menus? It doesn't make sense. If the game bothers to shows you a guide, then thats all you should need to know.
The 3 combos in the training room? If thats all they show you then thats all you would know, simple as that.
Not everyone sits in a lecture hall, listen to what the professor teaches about history, and then thinks to themselves to do a deeper dive into said history. What the professor teaches is what SHOULD appear in the tests.
Edit: I main charge blade and googled all the combos, not look through the menus. I'm still angry at the poor tutorial and UI design....
World is the best tutorialized MH game, I've seen even new player complain it has TOO MANY tutorials. It explains just about everything and shows you ALL the information you need. So no, it does not have "an information and tutorial issue". Some people just have issues with learning games unless they literally hold their hand every step of the way.
7:40 just check your hunter manual, It does tell you how each weapon works.
"And the fight is taking me 30 minutes"
Hmmm, I wonder, his gameplay looks pretty average why would it take so... *looks at sharpness meter* ooooOOOOOOH NOOOOOOO
Some chatters might have had some high blood pressure from him randomly sharpen at green and just after staying at red sharpness for 10min 😂
Yeah, the urge to scream about sharpening was at an all time high while I was watching the vid lmao.
The switchaxe is by far my favorite weapon and due to how much time I have with it, I’d completely forgotten how little the game teaches you about it
I've gotten into the habit of suggesting people play GS first then switch over. Teaches some fundamental skills and is a lot simpler to initially learn. Especially helps with teaching timing/positioning which are probably the most fundamental skills.
Seen people try and learn it on Swaxe first as a totally new player and it's pretty rough. Like trying to learn all this while also managing the switching mechanic just isn't gonna happen lol
excited to see you play through these and excited these recaps are returning! Have a good time with it, Preach. If you enjoy it, would love to see you go back in time and try some of the older games. Different vibes but just as amazing.
I like looking stuff up about games even if it's simple info
it makes the community feel more connected to me
This is great, always love seeing new players pick up the game! I would like to offer some pointers here that really helped me out.
All movesets for each weapon can be found in the hunter notes. It’s a good idea to spend a bit of time in the training room with each weapon to see which one feels best to you. Video tutorials are really helpful too, but they aren’t necessary at the start.
Even though it’s an action combat game, a common mistake new players make is treating it like a hack n’ slash. What helps is to instead think of the fights as if they are turn based. You attack when there is an opening, and react when the monster makes its move. This will get easier when you become more comfortable with your weapon of choice. Learning your weapon well gives your mind more space to pay attention to the monster and its actions. The magic of monster hunters combat will really start to show when you get to this point.
That’s all for now. Super excited for MHWilds, and I’m looking forward to playing with you all! Happy Hunting!
Glad to see you play Monster Hunter! I've been playing since 3 Ultimate on the 3ds/WiiU and adore these games! Can't wait to see your journey through World!
The challenge for me with learning weapons in MH is that to some degree the game tells you what you can do, but it doesn't help you understand why you'd do any particular thing. Often all it takes is watching a few minutes of gameplay with that weapon to see how the kit comes together, but if you're not doing that then the more complicated weapons are going to be frustrating to try and work out through trial-and-error. It's a like a fighting game where you've got a move list with all the special moves but nothing about how juggles work for that characters.
Once you get it, it clicks and is a hell of a lot of fun. I prefer games with this degree of complexity because it's even more satisfying when you figure it all out, but Mike's frustrations as a brand new player are valid and relatable.
Yep, it's pretty much like a fighting game in that regard. The game will tell you the controls, show how to do the moves, maybe even propose a few basic combos, but it's up to YOU to take all those pieces and put them together in a way that works. Could the game tell you EVERYTHING there is to know about the weapon and how to play it exactly? Does it need to? Absolutely not.
As someone whos watched your content since you did Cata class guides im delighted than you can experience one of my most cherished franchises ... a franchise i have been playing since 2005 when it came out in the UK and the same year i started playing Wow as well .
on the whole "it doesnt tell you that" thing. I will say there is a thing above your onjective/quest that shows you every combo button input and the attack relating to it. It shows that pressing RT starts it with a sword attack. While the game doesnt hold your hand on mastering a weapon i would say it gives you all the upfront info combo wise and you then just feel the flow of the weapon. THats my personal opinion on it anyway. But once that combat does click man its so fun just bullying monsters once you just "get it" as some would say.
I clicked with rise a lot more than world because of the movement freedom, but yeah in my fairly limited experience with the franchise these games are not really going to click until you spend two hours reading and fully absorbing all the menus and tutorials/outside info
But once you do in one, it's pretty transferrable despite each game having a lot of differences
I started playing MH back in November and Ive only played fps games for the past 10-12 years. I picked up MH and played solo and blind until the endgame, and wow was it a fun journey. I am glad to see someone had the same questions and problems with game mechanics. Love the videos and i cant wait to play Wilds from day 1 with the MH community 😁
Hell yeah!
I just spotted you're live on Khan's cast and tuned in.
Two of my long time followed channels sit down for a chat, I'm all for it.
Damn Preach you better upload your jounrey in full. Welcome aboard, hunter 🔨 🪓 🗡🏹
Liked and Subbed bud. I didn't realise this channel was a thing
as someone that never seen MonHun until i played MHWorld all those years ago - i never had a struggle to figure out how game works. 90% of important information is already in the game, most i struggled with was some UI elements like that clock in top right corner, or some buff-debuff icons.
I kinda didn't really get into demo ot World at first, had to play release game with some research. Rise is bit faster but UI and mechanics are still there.
As a third-fleeter, welcome!
Everyone remembers their first Monster Hunter game experience -- the title that got them hooked on the series. Even when we move on to other games in the series, we always have a particularly fond place in our hearts for where we initially cut our teeth, as will you I'm sure.
Something that I will say is that is always fascinating watching players do this game blind and hearing their thoughts about it. Even if I don't get the chance to watch live and I just get these sort of 'story time' snippets its always fun to see. The assumptions you are going to make about things and the unique way everyone problems solves is something that you only really get to experience once. If you are enjoying the game then I highly recommend doing your best to stay blind for as long as possible because it will only further enhance the game for you. That said I understand that you are doing this as a streamer and at *some* point you do sort of have to actually interact with your stream...
@6:50 the lack of explanation I have come around to believing is by design for the weapons. the pro's already know, so they don't need an explanation, but for new players I actually think it's a better on boarding experience to be given little information up front. for your first bunch of monsters your really don't need to know more than your basic swings and learning the weapon is a HUGE part of monster hunter. I've brought several new players into the game before and it always goes better when i "teach" them the weapon by basically just going over a few things (like the basic swings), waiting three or four monsters, then introducing them to a new attack or the first mechanic of their weapon etc, rinse and repeat.
I like how Monster Hunter is a bit different in regards to approaching to combat.
With the extra stuff like tools, traps, and the environmental hazards, I really feel like a hunter; rather than just another warrior in most action RPGs.
Defender gear has been a thing in a lot of the games now and they've mishandled it every time. Capcom doesn't care about the experience of new players. They just want people playing whatever is currently relevant or the newest game.
Realistically. You should just have a toggle in settings or something to turn that feature of the game on or off. Since Defender Gear effectively skips all early game progression.
It's been a huge argument in the community since they first made the decision to add it into the games. With a very prevalent talking point in the community being "why does it matter". For the most part I think the community finally landed on just vehemently warning against new players using it (due to nightmare experiences of seeing people in icebourne content having literally no idea how to use their own weapon and basically hitting a roadblock. can very quickly ruin their experience) and if you've played any previous game. It doesn't matter cause it just skips you to the content you actually care about. Most veterans will say the game effectively doesn't even start till HR and the experience pre HR is pretty much the exact same in every MH game. However, it can become an issue due to each game having their own nuances in combat and mechanics.
Which this becomes a problem again cause they've started adding multiple layers of this progression skipping. They'll have one set that skips you to high rank and one set that skips you to the start of master rank. Which this just caused even more arguments about people being "allowed to play their own way" due to the fact Capcom has actively damaged their own games progression and opened a huge can of worms. So you effectively just have to self impose restrictions to actually experience most modern Monster Hunter games has intended. Which the community really needs to understand when these tools are presented to you. It becomes hard not to use them and you kind of lose incentive to earn them yourself. This is like a foreign concept to most and you very commonly see people mocked for suggesting it. World is pretty bad but Rise is 10x worse. That game hardcore dumps resources, gear, and other things on you right when you start the game. You lose incentive to progress or farm anything and just skip to late late game.
one of the best game series of all time IMO! so glad youre checking them out! have fun buddy
Looking forward for the next video. Cheers.
I’m vibrating in excitement for the future of him first meeting and fighting Deviljho.
The "dlc" armor is ment to be a jumpstart or "skip" to get you to the Iceborne dlc quicker for those that have already played the base version.
Really awesome to see you embracing the Monster Hunter Mayhem Preach! Played around 2700 hrs on ps4 and 1000 hrs on PC so MH Vet here wishing you the best of luck 😀
Lets Go! Welcome along to the game! Hope you enjoy your stay!
Switch Axe has been my favorite weapon since my first game in the series, Monster Hunter Tri. That game has far less explanations about things than World, but it felt incredible rewarding to me to find out mechanics through experimentation. I think that's why many Japanese games hide information. They want you to experiment instead of theorize, at least when you start playing.
This is just a guess, but I think it may stem from how RPGs came to Japan. They were English only at first, and many players could barely understand anything in them. Because of that, experimenting with what does what became an integral part of the gameplay experience. Many Japanese developers have dear memories of that phase of RPGs, and it may be one of the motivations to obfuscate information in their games.
The claw is an Iceborne feature. After a number of claw/weapon attacks while mounting the creature, that body part is weakened for some time (a couple of minutes or so). It’s also visually different during that time and it takes double damage, I think.
Theres a moment when you use the ghillie where they search for you but they will go back to fighting as long as one doesnt randomly decide to leave
10:24 You want to know the best part? Not only is Crit in MH not called Crit, its base damage multiplier is only 1.25x! I love the series but affinity before lategame is a complete noob trap and I really hope they rework it or at least explain it earlier/better in upcoming titles.
30 minutes for your first Anjanath kill is pretty normal. Don’t feel like you’re messing up if the kills go long. Some of them take a really long time, especially when you’re new.
Oke, I'm going to watch the vods for this.
Even after all these years, I still feel disappointed whenever I saw that damn armor. Just imagine Fromsoft giving you a free Havel's Armor at the start of the Firelink Shrine in Dark Souls 1.
Welcome to Monster Hunter if you ever need help or have questions feel free to ask and also always willing to teach you how to use any weapon
Hammer was my first weapon. Although IMO even as a new player, it's perfectly fine and even recommended to watch a weapon tutorial from a youtuber. Rurikan and Arekz Gaming (probably slightly mispelled) are the 2 channels I tended to watch to learn weapons.
I started with Hammer, but I've learned about half the weapons by now. The weapon choice is by far the biggest choice to make in the game and will determine if a new player likes the game or not.
I get what preach is saying about more tutorials belonging in the game, but I just don't care when it comes to this game. In Monster Hunter, it's worth looking up a tutorial and might be the difference between you enjoying the game or not.
I didn't know Preach is playing MHW, time to go watch the VODs!
Holy actual youtube video.
Rip ff7 rebirth
if you don't watch the streams, Rebirth will be played when PC release is out as a lot of stream watchers didn't want to be spoiled since they dont have a Ps5. So it'll be here soon enough.
Oh cool, i'll be checking in a few times, love me some monster hunter new impressions.
Edit: good on you for calling out ux ui challenges for new players. Gives me tb vibes.
Oh this is fun. Love MH but it took a _long ass_ time for me to get the game to click for me. Glad he's enjoying it.
Mike this ain't the game to ask for exact numbers (without going through the community of course, they documment stuff) because this was the game in the series where they introduced simple damage numbers, just knowing how much damage you are doing to the monster. And a bunch of the community FREAKED OUT.
The layer of obfuscation in the middle is kinda part of the fun for many (a health bar in the monster is boring, played out, seeing it limp after fighting it for many minutes however? Great, keeps the tension). That said modern design seems to be slowly moving away from that obfuscation, Wilds has now timers for buffs and debuffs for example. But a lot of people hate it.
The DLC armor is for catching up to the start of Iceborne fast... About Hammer, is misleadingly complex, the game really dont hold your hand toward mastering a weapon, it is a very old fighting game school of learning. About Skill vs Gear, for a long time, sharpness will be your "item level" wall.
Heh, I started recently on MHW and this discovery journey is nice! There's a bunch that's not explained in game though... Explore to your hearts content and will get surprised! *"Hints at luring charging monster at walls and dodging it with wall run jumps"*
No way I was going to recommend playing this ages ago when the hype re spun back up for this game but I didn't think you'd see it so glad your playing
I just started this game too for the first time this week! Pretty steep learning curve to begin with but I am starting to get it
"We just walk in, decimate the area and then claim the area as our own" - Not surprised you liked it, it's in your brittish blood.
They don’t show all of the moves in the tutorial because it would be overwhelming and so they just give you the basics and let you feel it out instead of just handing you a firehose of info pointed at your face full blast.
And it's pretty funny since WORLD is regarded as the most tutorial heavy mainline MH game there is.
"Right, I'm gonna kill you now." Rathalos with polite murderous intent, lol!
lol his description of the weapon attacks is funny, dude was only using like a 1/5th of the move sets of each...which is totally understandable since it doesn't really explain charging and taking in the charge etc. the monsters don't go neutral, they carry on their endemic set ai....if they already turf war'd or are hungry, thirsty, tired etc they will go do that instead.
the Anjanath didnt bug out, its meant to get trapped in the vines
5:04 preach is now officially a ryozo approved streamer
Hell yea monster hunter one of my fav game series! And yea!!!! My Swaxe brother
Monster hunter has been one of my favourite games since the PSP era of freedom unite, but the one thing MH has never done is actually teach you the game properly, for better or worse you're supposed to just go in and figure thiflngs out for yourself. It's frustrating but also rewarding when you find out how to optimally use a weapon.
World/Iceborne is probably my all-time favorite game. Interested to see Mike's opinion on it. I've been toying with a re-return to World, so maybe this will inspire me.
I love how worried about spoilers he is for a franchise where the average story is "wow this big monsters fucking shit up, go kill it"
If you want to really disappear with the Ghillie Suit you have to crouch with it equipped.
I 100% agree about the critique where the game should teach you its systems. I love monster hunter but ill be honest i dropped MH World the first time i played it and i didn't pick it back up until a friend wanted me to play with him like a year later. Lucky for me he was very knowledgeable about the game and it's systems and taught them to me and after that is where i really started to get invested into the game to the point that i sunk like 1k hours into the game and beat every bit of content it had.
I always recommend MH to new players but with the caveat that you kind of need to consume third party content to learn the game or you are probably going to get real frustrated with the game real quick. This is 100% a failing quality on the design of otherwise an amazing game series.
The opening bit, with Preach talking about how unhelpful the UI can be with learning new weapons, is one of those things that keeps people from getting into Monster Hunter in general, IMO. The game throws a LOT at you from the outset, and if you don't know how to parse through it all or focus on what you DO get and put the rest aside, you're not going to see the potential everything can lead to. My first experience with the Switch Axe was basically the same as Preach's, for example, and while I did learn it eventually I passed on it for a good while for other weapons I could actually understand.
I would love to play with Preach and just talk about the game.
Affinity is just your crit rate. I have no clue why did they name it that way.
7:44 yeah but at this point the weapons have been figured out by the community. I get the sentiment, but there are so many extremely good and reliable sources for everything out of the game that the game only really has to give you a basic idea of what the weapon does
One thing that should be known is that stats were very much hidden I believe since the inception of monster hunter. I believe world is the first game to actually have damage numbers so the old philosophy of feeling something out vs how do I make damage number go up. This franchise is old.
16:22 Yellow Boi strikes again
I hope you learned about the capture mechanic eventually. Capturing is nearly always the better option as it ends the fight sooner and contrary to what you'd think actually nets you more rewards.
I'm not hugely experienced but not a complete novice either. I'm a dual blade guy.
2:45 - The most British of stories...
Monster Hunter is such a weird game and veterans like me just take shit for granted at this point, but watching mike go like "what's my AoE" and "I have to cook my food?!" Is hilarious.
This is awesome.
Ask someone who has tried the last 6 Monster Hunter titles, and bounced off of most of them, I agree with the sentiment that monster hunter games are like coconuts.
They are really difficult to crack, but once you do, you find a really refreshing experience inside.
I wanted to like Monster Hunter, but World is the first game in the series that got me to stick with it.
Whenever you're ready to take the blinders off, just go watch JoCat videos on weapons you use/want to use. Super short and as informative as it is funny. And its waaaay better than having 200 ppl try and shove all the information in your vast cranium all at once.
Also this series has many years of refinement they simply cannot shove in all the tutorials they already shove in your face at the start. World is the best newplayer friendly, but it is still far from friendly lol
If by “funny” you mean completely stupid and cringe, yeh.
gaijin hunter or rurikkan are the best imo
@@anzarudo Yeah but hes more likely to watch a 3 minute video over a 20 minute one
@@anzarudo Old Arekkz videos will kinda do too for a baseline, he's already yapping on about having to google stuff, imagine him watching an indepth guide from those two.
@@KenMochiiyeah arekks is nice with how they show the button inputs and everything. for me, his talking speed (fast) and accent is a bit hard to follow sometimes, but maybe it would be easier for preach than me!
If mike had issues with the switch axe, id stay clear of the charge blade, with the sword and shield epowerment on top of the charge phials, its a cool and fun weapon but needs a watch of a guide to fully utilise it properly
It’s really not that hard lol. Charge phials, spend them. There’s like a handful of the good moves to charge them, and like 2 or 3 ways to spend them. That’s it.
@omegaxtrigun once you know how yeah it's not bad and a great weapon to use, but it's the fact the game does a really poor job in teaching you how to get the most out of it
if you want detailed weapon guides on youtube, gaijin hunter is widely regarded as the man. i also like rurikan but i don't think he covers ranged weps
It's an awesome game, but good lord I don't think any game, VR included, has ever made me as motion sick as the MH grapple hook
19:58 There's no such thing as a wrong way to kill a monster in MHW. If you win you win... especially if you don't cart. Some fights are long. First Anjanath kill is a pretty big moment/accomplishment, especially for a new player going in blind... even if it's Preach.
My hopes that he makes it all the way to Rajang. Needs to get humbled by the super monkey.
Looking bro using Switch Axe and bouncing off Barroth with axe mode was painful.
Defender Armor can be unequiped in character creation
4:26 it's the strangest thing to hear when you come from Monster Hunter. Hunters don't really say sword and board like ever.
13:13 oh yeah absolutely, monster hunter can and will get very difficult
MH is about learning that s one reason d game doesn't hold ur hand. The game doesn't tell u things, what ur saying d game s telling u is u learning.what d game show u is just basic
PREACH PLAYING MONSTER HUNTER ????
WHAT YEAR IS THIS, AM I DREAMING !!!!!
also yeah I can say it since this is preach first MH there is something that I need to tell you
This is how OG Hunter actually is. They don't tell you; you have to figure it out yourself or play in a group. Sure, you will get carried a lot, but there are some very ultra-experienced hunters actually holding back by purposely gearing down or matching their gear so the new player can experience the hunting.
ALL HAIL THE YELLOW BOI!!!!!!!!
I wonder why Chris thought you wouldn't like mh! But I guess it can get grindy later.
The game does a pretty poor job of explaining weapon mechanics, that is true. The "intended way" is for you to just... try it and find out on your own.
As for stats and such, however, I absolutely agree - it would be much better if they were more specific in regards to what stats do and mean, and the exact values. A critical strike in Monster Hunter does 1.25x damage by default, but that number can be increased with the Critical Boost skill. They get a LITTLE bit better at explaining and specifying stats in MH Rise, but not much.
Affinity is basically your crit chance; by my guess, the reason why they call it "affinity" rather than "crit chance" is the fact that there's a specific mechanic for "anti crits", when you have a negative affinity; giving the entire mechanic a different name is a way to differentiate it from the very strongly established critical hit from many other games.
Best of luck with this fantastic game!
It sucks because the new generation of gamers are being trained like Mike wants them to, by essentially having an essay trickled into some kind of tutorial that literally says to try every single thing you can do right at the start, killing any chance of natural discoverability, and tightening the scale for personal improvement. I wish modern (and boomer) gamers had the guts to just just try things anymore. A journal with a combo list is more than enough. Games don't need a section going: Try Combo 1 -> press press press -> Great!
I saw the ff cactuar pog
Please have mercy, can you at least tell him about whetstone? :D
im convinced wow xiv and mh are retirement homes for each other also dont use the defender sets
We need Rurikhan reacting to this video
We need both of them in podcast
Maybe after few streams.
This video is watched by thousands of experience hunters, listening to a noob explaining the mechanics they already know. hunters are weird like that, we just like hearing new players talk about the games we already know very well and love 😂
i love how is universally known that japanese games have the worse UIs, they truly can look past some jank we can't
affinity is crit chance :P
Blind playthrough?
And 30 min is normal hunt time for new hunter.
I think it's an American problem,😂 yes the Japanese UI can be confusing but as an asian and not a Japanese, we never have problems with it