mismatchedpolkadots then pick up a 📚 book , or study subjects on your own. Why are you giving thousands of your money to someone to teach you something you could learn for free
Michael Weston Because jobs list degrees as requirements, and I can't get a job in my field by saying, "I read a lot of books, so give me all your fancy, expensive forensic science tools and trust me to handle evidence in the lab." Same goes for professions like doctors. I want a guy who's actually gone to medical school and practiced a little before he starts cutting into me, not some guy who says he saved money by reading an anatomy textbook. College education may not always be necessary, but in some cases, it absolutely is.
Lizzie X You are right in saying that in "some cases" a college education is absolutely necessary, if by "some" you mean a number of jobs you can count with both sets of fingers. But in an overwhelming majority of the cases, college is a six-figure IQ and personality test, that leads to a menial job, or slightly above average pay at best. HVACs and tradesmen, engineers, accountants, teachers, police, firemen, architects, technicians, managers and other workers should not have to spend both 4 years and several dozen thousands of dollars to get a job someone working that same job 50 years ago could have gotten without even finishing high school. Since we outlawed discriminatory hiring, everyone now suffers the fraud, waste and abuse that colleges and universitites provide. And not even doctors should have to spend more than 2 or 3 years in school, because most of college is make-work crap that doesn't prepare you for the actual field.
i am a medical student. having a bare minimum exam result is a terrible idea in this field. it's a competitive field, and i need a high score to stand out even to just get a job. even if it's just a signal theory, it's real in our society and there's no way to get by it.
Hans Krieger hi I am a hairdresser trying to pursue a career in Germany. It wound be kind if you could share some insight about a career in hairdressing in the country
his whole statement on med schools is retarded. First of all, people that do get in with even low GPAs have high MCAT scores and/or other shadowing/extracurriculars that help them get in. And even then, the low GPA he talks about is in the range of a 3.2-3.4 (which isn't even bad for other majors because people don't study as hard for them than the natural sciences). The correlation between a 'low' undergrad GPA and clinical skills is totally flawed just for the reasons I mentioned. Not only that, but an applicant with a 'low' GPA that gets into med school WORKS HARD IN MED SCHOOL. So why do med schools demand a good GPA in undergrad?? It's because the med school coursework is really extensive (not hard, but there's a shit ton of information), as are the board exams. A school has to know somehow that you are able to handle this course load and the best way to do that is obviously using your GPA to see how motivated you are, and if you can handle a basic work load (undergrad is a lot less harder than any graduate/med school etc.) Also, the whole programmer thing is true. A lot of Indians come to america that are good programmers, having taught it to themselves. If you go to an expensive school for programming, you are an idiot, unless you're trying to get a masters and move up in the field.
In general, the more your application tells about you in short as possible way. Graduating diploma is easy and fast way to tell about what kind of person is. You can be a walking supercomputer without diploma, and your possible future boss sees your potential, but its a fucking risk to hire those kind of motherfuckers because fireing is allmost impossible. If Boss could fire at will, he could pick the cherry allways with a few tries. These days only way to avoid fucking lawsuit is to put those fuckers on a testing period.
Yea this is horrible advice. I'm studying civil engineering and would literally kill people if I decided to "focus on socializing" instead of studying.
I agree, I want to be a surgeon and if I were to socialize more than study I would literally kill people. I wouldn't want a person who focuses more on talking than doing their job properly to operate me. I would only advize that to people who want to be phsycologists or something in the sort, it would be more usefull to them
As a felow car mechanical engineering student, I agree. In areas like engineering and medicine, there is just no time to socialize apart from class gaps during the day if you want to pass the whole course quickly. It's going to be 3-5 years of social hell, but in the long run it will be worth it. A job will feel slightly less hell-ish because it's a more direct routine without the hassle of sudden exams at the end of the semester, for example.
as a mathematics student, I think I can safely disagree with this video, at least for my area. mathematics is just simply much more fun if you actually understand it, and not just learn to pass the test.
For sure! Doing CS degree and I viewed my compulsory maths papers as a burden as I was just aiming to pass but once I started from almost scratch over summer using Khan Academy, concepts just seem to click a whole lot better and I am enjoying it more and getting better grades.
zeraphus in that case they shouldn't be in university at all, it is a place of learning that it is its one critical function. I couldn't fathom why somebody would want to do a university degree with the sole intention of getting a job, what a waste.
ElzearYoung I can imagine something like physics to be the same. what if I want to learn all the boring stuff. did that never cross the video creator's mind. I will start my university life this year hopefully.
Josef you can learn by teaching yourself what's not taught in your class like becoming a doctors assistant, getting books other than your textbooks etc
It's true! Certain universities or graduate programs will only take the top bracket (I.e. 3.8-4.0 for med school) and evaluate them by certain criteria. Unfortunately that's how the cookie crumbles. Conform or pick a different career or at least a different graduate program.
"Do the bare minimum" is the exact mentality that leads to mediocrity and lousy work. Learning isn't useless, it's another skill. I'm pretty sure that working hard in class isn't only useful because of your GPA, but because it develops a higher and faster understanding of things, trains your brain to work more efficiently, and generally makes you a better employee or employer. Culture and knowledge are extremely valuable things that people like whoever wrote this clearly lack. It's not only about seeking a job and being a market machine, but about becoming a better person for the world, and also a wiser person. That's why I go to all the lectures I go, and I study hard for my tests. It's not about the degree, it's never been, that part's easy. It's about excelling because I enjoy that, and because not everything in life is social skills and business. The academy has its charm too.
Jorge Padua cause he just said it helps your brain, which it really does. Learning things, no matter how useless they are, trains your brain to retain information and work more efficiently when you are thinking or solving a problem. Also sometimes because of how boring or useless you think a subject is, you try to relate it with other things to make it easier to learn or you summarize it in a few lines. This helps in linking resources together in the future and solving problems in the quickest way. We humans are shit, but our brains our fricking awesome!!
Wait wait wait lmao wtf.; Book "learning" does Not help your brain. The brain learns the most when it is engaged and having fun. If you are doing anything that is definitely not-fun while trying to learn, especially over a long period of time. Your brain will link book-learning to "not-fun event", which will cause you to always forget everything you book learn, much more quickly over time than normal. If you can't internalize a concept, outside of just the "meaningless grind vocabulary", you will never truly understand what it actually is. And because you don't, the "feeling weights" of your brain will find it detrimental and useless, therefor discarding it. www.goodreads.com/quotes/8823602-we-are-not-thinking-machines-that-feel-we-are-feeling
jojojorisjhjosef HAHA Same, i think this video is for practical jobs like teaching and stuff,You can't do physics or mathematics without knowing and understanting..
fragy Fraginston yes, you made it clear that you need to understand physics in order to apply for a physics job. Going to college alone, however, isn't going to always inevitably bring you the knowledge you need.
I think the common misunderstanding in this video is that you should not try hard. He did indeed say "do the bare minimum" and I heard this advice both from a senior student and a teacher I admire. I believe where he was coming from; in context to what others meant when making this point is: you don't have to stress over a paper the night before for a speech class or any other class that isn't exactly honing your skills for your future career. There are many careers that ask you education yet you don't have to show them your G.P.A. So, in the long run during your early 20's it makes no difference whether you do what's expected or be the guy who has to excel in everything. Learn to value your time more in college. This doesn't mean to say go get drunk at parties more and do a paper last minute to get a C. Instead utilize the resources the college has to explore, learn something new, gain new perspective from new people, work as an intern while going to school. Because the degree is literally a status symbol you don't need to devote so much time in every class and every assignment to get that 4.0 because future employers just don't care. It's the experience that speak more to them. Bottom line try not to become a model student instead become a well rounded individual for your career path. There are a lot of people who can study but not many would know the practicality of things.
miguelrealp so..... Prager Uni would be an example? maybe like Berkeley? sorry, I am just trying to understand, sorta at a crossroads and this may just be the info I need 😅🤗
aiming for the bare minimum is very bad advice. getting less than a 2:1 will close a significant number of doors for graduates. i'm speaking from personal experience.
By saying bare minimum he meant bare minimum to get all the opportunities. For an example, I would need a 7.0 CPI to sit in almost all interviews. So I should focus on getting 7.5 - the bare minimum in this case.
Abhi Shah I disagree with you. Maintaining a CPI of 7.5 is a solid grade average - higher than what many achieve, I'm sure - and such a grade would require a lot of time and effort to acquire. Something that requires that level of dedication surely cannot be described as putting in the bare minimum, at least not by the definition which I believe was being used in this video. To me, the narrator seems to be suggesting that the bare minimum is lowest amount of effort required to earn the certificate, i.e. the passing mark.
The "bare minimum" required for whatever career is being pursued; not just the minimum required to pass the course. In the video its stated that a high gpa is required for med school so the bare minimum may be achieving a spot in the top 1% of applicants. Other degrees may not require high gpa's, but instead require special skills training or social connections, thus the bare minimum is requiring those things instead. The whole point of the video was to dispel the myth that top grades are the highest priority when it comes to a post secondary education. Understanding what careers interest you and the basic requirements to pursue them should be the primary goal.
@@xtensioncordtv1969 Lol Imagine going to college just to do nothing but drink and socialize with losers who do the same thing only to come out with heavy debt because you either fail out or jobs don't want you because your grades suck. Man, no wonder universities make so much money so easily.
Imagine you get drunk on an engineering project and bs your way to victory, and when you ultimately have to account for the lives of real people by your work, you will regret that extra drink and wish you applied yourself more.
I disagree. My undergraduate general education classes were certainly a waste of time, but once I was able to start taking the classes directly related to my major I learned a lot. Additionally, some fields require you to continue on to a Masters and if you only perform the bare minimum you will never get into a graduate school. For example, I am about to start graduate school to become a counselor. Because I worked hard, got good grades, volunteered, had human service work experience, an unpaid internship, and conducted research, I was a competitive enough applicant not only to get into a great grad program but to get a fully funded assistantship (tuition waived, paid a monthly stipend and health insurance covered). If I had not put forth an effort to get good grades and learn the material in my classes I would not have the foundational skills in order to counsel in my internships and practicums, and I likely would not have such an incredible financial package for the rest of my education. I am sure this applies to many other fields as well. Additionally, you only looked at how people teach depending on whether they have a master's or a bachelors. The reason this is likely similar is that many people who teach with a masters do not have a teachers license but have more knowledge in their field, while those with a bachelors have to get a teachers license and learn pedagogy skills. Continuing to a PhD also teaches pedagogy, just specifically to a college education. Additionally, in my field getting a MA instead of just a BA increases starting pay by at least 20k a year, and allows you to have far more promotions and move to management, which is usually not possible with only a BA.
I think he is mystified by some peoples ability to apply effort to things, if you care about something you will work hard because it is personally rewarding. You sought out doing research and getting an assistantship on your own volition, by that fact alone is how you did it. There is no simple answer to such a question.
aberri12311 yeah I think Foulds28 said it. however I would still like a simple answer 😜😅 though I knew upon asking that the answer would be something to that end. I just wanna know how to start, but that's my obstacle to overcome: finding something I want enough to do. I mean, I already found someone I'll do whatever to be with, so, I guess it is good I don't have too much job preference? haha But also a little bit of the counselor entirely because that is a career and in field I have much interest in. Thanks! 😄
I think that it's funny how a person who doesn't necessarily use their education because they have charisma and managed to get big on RUclips feels it is the right thing to tell people either that the hard work they put in for their grades was useless or that they shouldn't strive for greater heights. This is what we call regressive thinking, because if no-one is hard working then progress is impossible
The hard work is not the problem, it is more of a warning not to channel the hard work towards something of little value. He did not say do not work hard, he said to channel it towards more valuable things.
saying "try to strike a balance" or "don't overwork yourself" or even "dont work harder than you need to" would have been much better... Someone's going to take his advice too seriously and end up underestimating their responsibilities, making their life even more difficult than it was before they tried to make it easier
Tfw you're a stem major and accidentally clicked on this vid. I guess I don't need physics and chemistry to be an engineer after all. Thanks for the advice dude. #thisgavemecancer
Yea that's b.s.. as a PhD biomedical sciences, I see "good grade students" who are completely useless in the lab. I see "bad grade students" who are great in the lab but don't get hired (often have to work government jobs). STEM is overrated and over saturated. You want a job after? Make sure whatever the hell you are studying is regulated. PERIOD. Best advice that I wish I knew when I was starting this long, low paying journey
beast I'm interested in your field, could you please sum up some of the qualities/skills that are important in the lab? Also what do you mean by regulated?
Don't forget that this is from a RUclipsr, he doesn't actually know which route is the best to take. Don't let a little video convince you to skip college, even if information doesn't directly relate to your job it can still be valuable. This video acts as if a career is the only part of life but anyone with common sense can tell you that knowing lots of trivial information and such can be enriching to life. Be smart enough to get smarter.
This was largely overlooked in the comment section (although the comment section is full of appropriate criticisms.) IT is hands down the most widely available subject for self learning and it's ridiculous to compare other fields to it.
@@bronwengrace7183 that is still a lot. a Bachelor's degree could be 3-4 plus a Master's degree after, and that's already over 50k. ALSO, if you move to a different country/city, you'll have to pay rent and etc. 50-100k for uni is a LOT, especially knowing that a job after it is not guaranteed and you will most likely get an average salary..
Depends on the area. Medicine? Very high competition, aim for top. Car mechanical engineering? Very low demand here in my country, so I aim for "just passing". To the point a friend of mine, who got the bachelor in car mechanical engineering where I'm studying now, told me I just need to worry about passing the subjects. Yet, regardless of the course, even if you adopt the "just pass" goal, it still consumes a lot of work and sanity to get there, even if you always do your best.
Working in the justice system requires a higher education. Working as a doctor requires a higher education. Working even as an economist requires a higher education. Working as an engineer requires a higher education. Working as a psychotherapist requires higher educations. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Just because some jobs don't need higher education doesn't mean higher education is worthless.
He isn't saying higher education is worthless. He encourages you to study and warns you about using the 100% of your time on that. The recomendation is to complement your degree with different experiences, thought you will be resigning some higher grades.
Ivo Temelkov My dad works at a bank that requires a bachelor's degree and he never finished his associates degree. He just proved he was worth hiring in other ways.
He is arguing the facts, not the reality of the system we live in. His position at the end is clear, even if it's not strictly beneficial to get a degree it can be a powerful asset, and so you should take into consideration the information he provides to actually make the most of your time while potentially wasting much of it in ways that the system forces upon you.
I disagree. University is not about learning what's useful for your job, it's about knowledge for its own sake. Imagine you got a room with 500 medical students and the lecturer is talking about some specific receptors. To 499 students this might be boring and useless later on, but there might be just ONE student who otherwise wouldn't have found out that he wants to work in THAT specific field. 5 years later that ONE student might do research on that boring receptor and find a new effective drug to fight a disease. If you don't force everyone to study the boring bits, those fields are going to die out.
But in our country you are thought in the university that is mostly useful for your job. Yeah, its a 3rd world country, but atleast they have taught us very useful things. But about paying bills? That should be taught to you by your own parents.
xYuushax some parents don't even know how to pay bills. The stigma is that parents teach common things that happen to everyone, like taxes. However, schools should teach that. Because poor parents that aren't good with finance teaching their kids would lead to another generation of poor adults. Also, some parents don't teach about personal finances and taxes and assume the school will do that.
as a university student in first year (in England) i have a few things to say firstly, who would go to uni and do a degree when they have little idea what they what to do for a career, its possible their degree could be useless in some jobs they may take. secondly i do find university really useful comparatively to college( i think eq. high school) for my course that i am doing. The amount of new and specific information as well as access to industry standard equipment and lecturers is really helpful, you hear about their experience in the industry and other useful information as well as ways to do things you did not know about that you would never have found out any way at all. well univeristy is only as useful as you make it to be, taking a generic course like math in the hopes that it might be useful is not a good way to think about uni because it shows you dont know what to do in life and that you have no passion for the course. and then theres the thing about finding a good uni, even a high ranking one can be useless in certain cources i was fortunate my uni actively knows about the industry and prepares us for it.
Maths is NOT a generic course, it's way too hard for that. If you are not sure what you want to do, then do PPE, or Politics and History, that will always stand you in good stead for whatever you want to follow. If you decide on something after that stick on and do a Master's in your chosen subject.
This video was amazing. I came upon it because I've started to realize how I'm really not a university person. Not because I'm antisocial, not because I'm not motivated, and definitely not because I don't care to learn. I'm actually studying mathematics and I simply find myself learning the most on my own. I don't like being in a squared room or lecture hall for lectures that aren't always useful, the quality of teaching from the professors have also been extremely varied. In the end I find myself to be my own most dependent and reliable resource for learning. I learn and understand more when I read at my own pace and focus on my own weaknesses, rather than go through this crazy pace with everything at university because that's what it feels like the system is doing to me- force me to memorize and get a degree, not to actually learn and understand with the way the program is set up. It stresses me out. Not everyone is the same so if the system works for you, then great. If it doesn't, then find ways to excel in your own light. Get creative!😊 Wonderful video.😊🌞🌻
I really disagree with you on this. I don't think there's data to fully support your theory of: don't try hard in school and just focus your energy on other projects. Most people aren't that organized or motivated to do that effectively. Also, there is likely little evidence to suggest that all classes are a waste of time. Surely some classes will be much more beneficial to your future than others. So, if you start classifying classes into Important and Not Important categories, how do you know if you're classifying them all correctly? Yes, we've all had classes that suck and were a waste of our time, but following your advice is not only difficult to do, it would probably produce more drop-outs which would put everyone in a worse position because now they have tons of debt with no degree.
Brett Hartsell why do you think just because you drop out means your worse. How much you earn, learn, pay isn't going to keep you happy. Heck I can find surviving around the modern more better than someone who is superior. It is what you do that counts, so basically your working hard so you can be more of a idiot later on with your life. What I know is once you witness something, you witnessed it all.
All the sources for what he says are in the description, and the only real opinion he gives is his conclusion, that you should go to university for the degree (because of how employers will pick you over other applicants because of signalling), but should devote more time to educating yourself. The sources show that university students and those without degree's are mostly self-taught anyway, but yes, to varying degrees, university students found some course at least a little useful. Also, motivation and organisation aren't something you have to put yourself in debt for- degree or no degree, you can be just as motivated, degrees just make you easier to spot among applicants- and whether or not a class is useful to someone is something that they themselves can decide, based on what they feel about it or already know about it before choosing it. "Don't let schooling interfere with your education"- allegedly a Mark Twain quote but to be honest, no one is sure.
As a medstudent I really, really, really don't relate at all. Sure there are some subjects that are focused too much on by universities which really aren't going to be that useful (and thus might be a waste of time), but you are way, waaay, waaaaaaaaaay out of line when you say that a degree is only 'better' because of your presentation towards others. This might be correct for some specific jobs like teachers, programmers and artists, but other than that I really think you're in the wrong here. I'm actually so confident about this that if you respond to this comment and give me the studies that you've used that I can prove you wrong. I usually love your videos but this seems utterly fueled by subjectivity..
Same here, what a complete generalisation this video makes. Of course you're going to find your degree useless if you are working in a job that doesn't require a degree!
Misleading. IT is not computer science (i.e. not programming). I would have to do more research on the studies put forth but I would guess that most degrees are useless: English, Arts, Underwater basket weaving. I think the biggest issue I take from this video is the conclusion. Is it really better to have a great employee as to a bad one? I think business has found have a bad employee is worse than missing out on the great one. What college allows you to quickly determine is that this individual can learn new tasks, has motivation and is able to accomplish a goal. Missing out on that great employee doesn't hurt my business but hiring someone that is completely unqualified could end up costing a lot.
Jason Vantrease additionally, ponying up the $$$ shows that you're willing to invest in yourself. So in the case of someone who foregoes college: If you aren't willing to invest in yourself, why should a company?
Jason Vantrease True. Getting a master's degree in computer science to become a programmer is like getting a master of architecture to become a construction worker. The uploader has clearly no idea what he's talking about. A computer scientist is basically a mathematician.
You ever taken an actual IQ test? This is one question (amongst 300) you may face: If ☺ is to ☻, then • is to: [ ] ◘ [ ] ○ [ ] □ [ ] ◦ Or even: John's mom asks him to pick up 7 cans of oil from the Market. Given that he can carry only 2 cans, how many trips will he have to make? [ ] 7 [ ] 8 [ ] 9 [ ] 10 Of course, you're timed on it. As you can see, not much space for social context sensitivity.
In my field, I had to go back and finish my degree to move upward. Working while attending school helped to reinforce what I was learning and to identify areas that were useful. Can't say how much I'd retain if I only attended school. So I'd agree that doing the 'minimum' and focusing on internships would be better for growth as well as a better use of your time.
School is much more important for jobs that require a fair bit of complex knowledge. A Medical student still needs to know all the components of the body, and needs to know what's best for a patient suffering an illness. Its professionally irresponsible to not know this information. "Anyone can build a bridge, but only an engineer can build a bridge that _barely_ stands." Thats stuff that you can learn outside of school. Im an electrical engineer, and half the stuff I know is very practical, but I could've never been able to teach it to myself.
Despite my parents, and other people telling me practically the same advice this video advised, the way it conveyed it made me understand so much more. As someone who is very tenacious and strives very hard to do my best, but keeps getting pushed to the ground because of the school system and life, this makes me feel a lot more confident about my perspectives of school performance, and the potential of my future career. Thank you Bite Size Psych
You could not have used a worse example than computer science. Not only has it been an emerging field but it is by far the easiest field to learn on your own. Almost makes me think you're spreading misinformation on purpose. Flip computer science with engineering and you would come to the opposite conclusion.
I agree that STEM degrees are better value than other degrees e.g. commerce, psychology and education. However, they are far from being immune to criticism. Coming from STEM myself, as a medical student, the 2 most important things my university has given me are 1. free access to journals/database/resources like UptoDate and 2. access to hospitals. The subjects they actually provided at university have been average. What inspired this video was my frustration with how I had to study all these useless things (looking at you Kreb cycle) or risk failing, even when there were clearly more important topics to focus my energy on (e.g. rather than memorising the minute details of systems physiology, I should have been practicing history taking with real patients). Now, if you feel your degree IS teaching you valuable skills, by all means study hard. But I'm confident this sentiment will only resonant with a minority of students.
As a Music Composition and Mathematics student, I've actually found ways to apply what I'm learning with what I'm doing. I can very easily recognize though that this is a rare thing for most students, but outside of my classes and studying, I work on crafting equations or writing music, just because it's fun to see how things work.
Somewhat correct. Engineering (be it software or electrical or other) is extremely competitive, nearly impossible to learn by yourself, at the level you would get to with mentoring (higher level education). But when I was going to college (just graduated 2 years ago) we, on several occasions, had guests from the industry come for meet and greets. I asked more then 10 of them in my 3 years at Uni what they see on a resume that makes them say "I definitely need to follow up with this candidate." They ALL responded with "extra work and projects." So this videos conclusion of doing the bare minimum and getting extra stuff done on the side is correct. They also state if you dont know what you want to do... something something. Get the fuck out of college for a while and stop wasting tens of thousands of dollars figuring out what you want to do.
"Computer science is the easiest field to learn on your own" rofl. PROGRAMMING can be easily learned on your own, not COMPUTER SCIENCE. These are two different things..
You make a few good points. I have studied for 4 years and I still cannot find a job in my field that pays well for the money my parents have put away for my studies. I agree that being more balanced and finding life experience while at university would have been a better thing for me to do. I sort of bought the dream that I would qualify with x y and z and have rather learnt now that starting my own project and exploring a bit more while at university would have set me further. Good marks in my field are requiredd though, so I did put my focus into that. But to be honest, much of my other skills, hobbies and interests fell to the wayside of the demanding content of Uni Work.
it doesn't apply to engineering or related studies. I am studying aeronautical engineering and believe me, there are some things that aren't so easy to understand by self taught, physics for example, it's complicated and hard when you advance further, I really find a physics teacher helpful in a bunch of ways, programming was a good example, but engineering is other thing apart, if I don't know physics I could be responsible for the death of people, or worse. To study at a university is really essential at least for a common student( not special talented people) in engineering.
You have fellow driven students to collaborate with. When you get stuck, at your beck and call are professors and tutors. And countless employers and internships are arrayed before you to apply to easily. You are utilizing the resources that the college has made available to you. Collaborating with these students, you will build projects that give you experience and highlight you before employers. With the professors and tutors, you will learn what you need to be proficient in the field. And with the countless opportunities, you will gain a good starting point to enter the professional world. THAT is the value of college. What is NOT the value of college is the grades you get - so long as you get a good enough grade, the fact that you wisely took advantage of all the other resources serves you far better.
I'm majoring in Astronautical Engineering and the AE professors work at NASA. Going to a university definitely helps a lot because you can collaborate with someone who's in that field and learn things that you really need to know.
Kim Are you serious? Okay. The important thing to remember here is that a lot of people in these studies are saying that they've learnt some skills themselves. I wonder if going to university had any bearing on them being able to do that(Of course it has, don't kid yourself.) Right in the beginning of the video he says something along the lines of "one survey said programmers said their knowledge is self taught. Clearly, universities aren't that essential for the process of learning". This guy is basing this on one survey. ONE. I refuse to take this seriously. As somenone doing their masters in the STEM field, I can't take it seriously. Let's go on to the machine learning branch of computer science. Someone who hasn't done a course in machine learning and mathematical sciences, with some focus on stochastic processes, is simply not qualified to get a job that requires this knowledge. No matter how much you are going to try to convince ANY employer that "Oh I've learnt this myself, yeah, I get the math". You're not getting that job. Hell, your resume has been shredded the moment they got it. Remember that having that computer science degree is part of the reason they even got the job. And it's also the reason that they can learn plenty of things by themselves. As far as I'm concerned, IT isn't the same as computer science. Being able to install Windows, change hardware, does not mean you can also calculate the computational complexity of nested For loops, or even know what it is(And vice versa). And he hammered this his point home as if it was the same. And also, I'd like to see someone with a degree from a university who HASN'T learned anything from on the job training. University teaches you tackle new problems and how to solve them on your own, especially in STEM degrees. Saying that this is useless.. Man, get consecutively normal punched.
I just want to thank the creator of this video. I'm writing a paper on the purpose the university and reasons for attending, and the information in this video as well as source work were incredibly helpful. Thanks again.
First off all, yes not everything you learn is going to be useful but that is mainly because not everyone is going to do the same job later. If 25% of a course is useful, that doesn't mean that its the same 25% for all students. Just like high school not every class you had was useful in the long term but it helps you keep your options open. Second of all, you may have self learned a important skill in your field but the reason you could learn that to your self in the first place is because you had a good understanding about the subject due to school Third, not everything you learn is always critical. You don't need to be dealing with a thing on a daily basis to need basic understanding in it. Even though a psychologist mainly deals with depressed patients that doesn't mean they don't need to know how the symptoms of schizophrenia may manifest and show. All though it can take years they actually come across a schizophrenic patient they still need to be aware of the option. Also doesnt university mainly teach a way of thinking? And when people ask to report what they use of the things they learned doesn't this easily get ignored because it becomes so natural?
Great video! I agree with every single aspect of it. I mostly loved how yu addressed the uselesness of the degree itself and how it pushed people to get one just in order to compete. This is costig society a lot (especially in Europe since education is paid with taxes). I also liked how you emphasized skills you learn outside of your studies. You could've added one benefit of higher education though. It teaches you good methodology for self learning and how or where to look for sources to help you learn by yourself.
Do you honestly think a 18 year old straight out of high school will deliver better work performance than someone with the most basic degree in that field. Don't be naive.
Ruan Geldenhuys Yeah but if he get’s a 4 year vocational training (mixed maybe with some intellectual courses for the sake of it), I feel he will be more productive, employed, richer (or not in debt) and more in a win-win situation than a similar guy would have spent his 4 years at university hoping to learn the right skills and hoping to pick up a few internships. I am finishing my master’s degree in computer science, yet I feel a mere 2 or 3 classes (out of 39) only were useful for my career, the rest was fillings (my teacher says I « might » use them, but this triggers me a little bit). I have a project in enterprise and an internship to save me, but I feel I might have gotten my job through a simple vocational training mixed with a small university certificate for the sake of methodology. And I’m 27 years and severely in debt, still a decade away from the middle class.
basically what I got from this video is to not get so caught up on the GPA (which I was freaking out over a B) but to make growing and learning, as an individual, a priority in this time period. It's great advice actually. That will prevent you from ending in a field you are unhappy with in the future.
Warning! Although there are some legitemate criticisms of the video down in the comments, a lot of people, ney I would say a majority of comments also skew the argument and counter a straw man version of what Bite Size Psych. Ad hominem attacks and other threats are the norm amongst the comments.
After having a ton of imposter syndrome during my current stint at university, this vid was a relief to watch. I'll keep kicking ass with my volunteering, work and networking and try not to let the pressure of study undermine my success at uni and elsewhere.
what they teach you in cs degree is theorical knowledge. this improves your learning skills and quality of your code.they wont teach you how to code x framework in y platform, so question asked in survey is misleading
Why some people talk about "soft skills" and "education" telling that "education isn't that important but social skills are"? Why we think "social skills" are opposite to "education"? You CAN have a degree and at the same time having good social skills. BOTH ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
how can you actually advocate "aiming for the bare minimum" but then enjoin viewers to "get the most of out university"? I'm not sure what your motives are, but your advice is going to set up a lot of students for a very bad time. Also, you seem to base each claim on one study, while scrubbing all of its relevant context. So while it may seem like you have a lot of data to support your conclusion, you're actually drawing from a shallow pool of evidence (which are themselves referring to only a few specific fields) to make some grand conjecture that seems designed to motivate young and aspiring minds to stop trying. Talk about bad career advice.
So let me get this straight: you think because it's RUclips it's ok to make things up? I would argue that since it's RUclips that means you have an even wider audience of impressionable viewers to whom you should take some due consideration before you deliberately mislead them. Though since you just admitted the misinformation was deliberate I suppose I can't expect you to care about the consequences. Though why then should you expect me to be grateful? And Google gave you money you claim? And sure, somebody somewhere will likely have better grades than anyone else, but then a person with high grades is also likely to have higher grades than a great deal of other candidates, so what's the point of even fixating on grades then? Wouldn't it make more sense to tell people to try to develop competencies but not worry about the grades? Your video just says don't try, but then in your own response you admit that you did try. And look, you apparently have some apparently lucrative job you might have also invented, though I can't be sure at this point with you, since it is RUclips after all. And now you're throwing that scholarship down as anecdotal evidence. Hate to tell you this, but scholarships are a measure of performance, no different than a grade. And you sure as hell seem plenty concerned and pleased about that. Stop preaching your nonsense.
A. Bastardo well bill gates study law in harvard, but in the end he left and join the computer industry. i think the vid do have some valid points, but its rather too generalize, some jobs requires just the degree while some competitve fields like investment banks needs gd grades to get in.
University doesn't teach you subjects, it teaches you a method, if you do it properly. It's a basic lesson you learn when you start it. Engeneering doesn't aim to teach you some specific subjects, it aims to give you a specific mind-set in orser to analise and solve certain kinds of problem. I think this is the real importante lesson you get when you go to university. Of course also the expoeriences outside classes are important and everything you said. But it seems to me like you've missed the main topic. I'm actually from Italy. I know high school is set completely different here from the US, maybe even university, but i think this is quite usefull for every university student
I graduated with a B.S. in computer science from a state university. I had a 2.2 GPA. Now I make good money as a programmer, in the 9 years since I graduated I've bought a condo, had a baby and been unemployed for a total of 2.2 years of that time. I got a wide education in college. I would say "I'm too busy learning to get good grades." My dream job would be to work for Google and while I'm quite creative and good at algorithms, my low GPA has kept me from getting my foot in the door.
For example, the discussion at 2:07. Without thinking too far into it, I'm wondering how many of those people had a degree of any kind. Just because my degree is in Computer Information Systems doesn't mean I can't become a CPA. The way that info is presented makes it seem like those who did not have an IT related degree had no degree at all. A lot of the video is skewed to make college look bad without explicitly lying.
There's merit about the things mentioned in this video. Although, college or uni is not just about getting a degree but having a reference and connections within the industry. And if you think of about it, if you're paying for a 5-6 digit tuition, aren't you going to work hard to learn and gain more experience along the way so you could earn back that money? It's a motivational mechanism as humans don't like losing money, you just need to condition your mind differently that spending time and money for education will be rewarded if you put 100% effort into it. Saying a degree is useless/worthless is dangerous advice, education is education, it breeds culture, it makes you part of a thinking community, and as other people say "there's no virtue in ignorance", also, even if you think the degree you took seems useless at the moment, you might be able to use that degree/skill later in life.
If you're not satisfied with your education you can transfer to a school with a better program, in which you will learn more. However, this requires good grades. Saying that you should ignore grades, or rather, keep them at a minimum, would go against the whole idea of going to college, considering that you can always transfer. If you feel that you need to learn things on your own, outside of university, while in university, you should work hard in school to get good grades, subsequently you can go to a university that will satisfy your thirst for knowledge. However, you do bring up a good point, in that we should step back and see our education for what it is, and for what we can get out of going to school. The opportunities to network, intern, and participate in research give you a greater return than just the coursework. It's true that you can learn a lot on your own, if you're dedicated you can probably earn the equivalent of a college degree from free resources, in terms of education alone. However, if you're already in university (and not, say, working on a startup without an education) you should take advantage of what you already have, as educating yourself in your free time can prove to be a very daunting task in terms of scheduling and organization. Nonetheless, you are correct in that we can't ignore university's other opportunities, and that our focus should be on learning, not grades, but the grades will grant us other opportunities (such as more qualifications at graduate school).
people that say u don’t need a uni degree 🤦♂️ SOMETIMES YES YOU DO!! sometimes it’s 10x easier to learn in uni than teach yourself. And a degree is also a qualification that can come in a lot of use.
Experimenting at university is the best idea! I am just finishing my music degree, but I joined the Athletics team in my final year and now I'm going to train as an officer in the army! I never enjoyed sports before uni and I certainly never would've thought I'd be joining the army after uni. It's great, because without experimenting at uni, I never would have found what I wanted to do after uni!
You need accredited degrees in most fields to become a professional. Try becoming an architect without having an accredited degree and not working on projects in a studio taught by professionals. This is ludicrous.
Hahaha this is only true for useless degrees... I don't know what his credentials are, but he has Psych in his channel's title, and if you want to become a psychologist, you need top grades.
I love how this whole video is based on knowing the knowledge rather than having a physical degree, but at the end he tells you not to learn the knowledge 😂😂😂😂
I disagree so much with this video. Does a degree perfectly equate itself with the relative intelligence of the person receiving it? No. I'd say confidently that anyone is capable of becoming a lawyer or a doctor, etc. But what college and the grades you receive signify to me is the quality of a worker that you are. Many people take their studies for granted, are not self starters, are relatively unmotivated and perpetuate this cycle of laziness and apathy. The grades you get are a determinant of your willingness to grind something out in order to succeed. It may be boring or tedious but you display a strong work ethic to work through that apathy and achieve excellence. I'm a firm believer that building up a strong work ethic through your schooling leads to a development of desirable characteristics that employers or recruiters will recognize and appreciate. Sure there are some people who get good grades but have no discernible life skills and some who don't get good grades but are able to adjust to a professional environment but to say that a degree is useless is I think a gross understatement of what attaining one actually represents.
I feel like the people completely skipped everything you spoke on in the the whole video and then chose what they wanted to complain about. Your point is that if you are getting a degree just to get one, then do that and focus on self learning (which many people do not focus on) and, the part everyone missed is that if you are in your degree to learn and it is necessary for you work then achieve that. Most people say degrees are useless coming out of college, your point is even though it is superficial most of the time, it is still something that gives you an advantage over others and thats something to value. What most people are commenting and complaining about is that you’re not appealing to them directly and they are trying to fit this message to themselves and into their own field of study like engineering. This video wasn’t about those people, this video is about the vast majority who have a degree and no direction or they are thinking of quitting. Glad this discussion can be had openly.
Not so sure about this. I agree with many others in the comments that STEM is a different arena. One of the main things a university student needs to know is: Have A Plan! Don't just go into university _just because_ that's what you think is right. That's what causes so many people to get bullshit degrees and waste time and money. If you have no plan, this video makes sense, and you would have wasted everything. Know what you want first then go for it. Specialize and develop skills and ideas that are unique to you. Having a degree itself isn't really going to get you the job. You have to stand out.
I am a programmer, I went to university. I have worked with people with and without a degree. When I hire programmers they need to have a degree. Home grown and self taught developer skills are unfocused and lack skills relevant to what is currently needed. As far as aim for the bare minimum for grades I think that is off mark. I have found A workers want to work with other A workers. This also is a signal that you do a thorough and thoughtful job in the workplace. I expect at least, at least a B average and skills/experience outside the classroom. Get an internship. I had three in college and only one was unpaid, the third was a real Job and paid an actual salary even though the title was development intern. College provides an environment it's what you do with it that matters.
I am programmer myself, got no degree, completly selftaught as a kid. Not needed, find very valuable jobs on every corner. And I would always prefer self taught to programmers with degrees, because most people I have seen so far, who have a degree, are following a certain pattern without any special ideas. So there you go
I definitely like the last part what you do in your spare time is what you learn most. I'm studying electrical engineering and in my spare time I watch videos about it or I'm reading about it. on the other hand my friends gets good grade but spends zero time outside of that learning or doing something related to computer engineering. and it seems that he doesn't remember much of what he learned the previous semester. I agree that simply having a degree doesn't make you inherently better at a job. and most of what is learned in a university such as skills/knowledge will be obsolete by the time the student graduates. I think the purpose of a degree or a skill acquired by doing so, is: learning to become a learner. also college does give great opportunities to do internships/job shadowing/research with professors.
Always quite important to do is to work during university. Go work 2 nights a week at the pub. why you ask? what does a pub have to do with my degree? You are showing you're employable, you're one time, you come to work with the right equipment, you're able to work as part of a team, also able to work independently, you are also able to converse with customers, able to priopritise, and many more things. these skills re highly sought after, because when you leave uni, no matter how well you did, you and the person next to you have the same piece of paper.
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simple synopsis of the video: don't get too caught up in your grades, instead focus as well on other things that will improve you as a person moving forward in the world. I understand the logic completely, although I don't think doing the bare minimum will cut it. you should have just said to focus on other facets of university as well. I respect the logic and work going into this anecdote and believe much of it is spot on
I'm indenting to go to university in October, and the fact that I knew a large portion of the video already gives me greater confidence in myself that I made the correct choice. Still, thanks for the tips
Am I the only one who actually agree with most of what he said? Of course, we shouldn't do our minimum when it comes to our work but don't you guys think there's something wrong when our system forces us to kill ourselves with study for years to get a good and well-payed job?
Magiccphil no your not the only one, I agree with you. The worst part, in my point of view, is that the system forces us to kill ourselves with studies to finally get qualified to work for somebody else..
Well, i partially agree. I don't think we should do our minimum in anything and we should always aim for the top/our best, but during that we shouldn't forget that life isn't just studying. In my opinion I think we should always have a schedule that includes time for learning but also some time to enjoy life. Both things are important and we should never neglect neither of them.
This video is true of advanced sciences too. My (much older) cousin has worked for a company that holds government contracts on things he's not even allowed to talk about, however i know he developed methods many years back for cleaning up after a dirty bomb. Anyways the way he put it, all college gave him that he couldn't get elsewhere was actual experience working, and some connections. Universities are really just a way to make money at this point. The information about sciences and things is available. I've personally found dozens of university textbooks online for free. Of course there's things that simply can't be learned from a book, but a basic apprenticeship type experience with someone who already works would give you the 'real-world' knowledge that you need. Universities work well, but aren't necessary and certainly can't justify the amount of money they charge, or the enormous debt they leave many with for years.
The degree is meant to get you into a good job, not really prepare you for one
thats where experience comes in
What if you, gasp, like, actually want to learn?
mismatchedpolkadots Go to the library or use the internet. Stop spending money on things that are free or near free.
mismatchedpolkadots then pick up a 📚 book , or study subjects on your own. Why are you giving thousands of your money to someone to teach you something you could learn for free
lol at these people. This is why Internet Graduates are becoming more and more of a problem.
Michael Weston Because jobs list degrees as requirements, and I can't get a job in my field by saying, "I read a lot of books, so give me all your fancy, expensive forensic science tools and trust me to handle evidence in the lab." Same goes for professions like doctors. I want a guy who's actually gone to medical school and practiced a little before he starts cutting into me, not some guy who says he saved money by reading an anatomy textbook. College education may not always be necessary, but in some cases, it absolutely is.
Lizzie X You are right in saying that in "some cases" a college education is absolutely necessary, if by "some" you mean a number of jobs you can count with both sets of fingers. But in an overwhelming majority of the cases, college is a six-figure IQ and personality test, that leads to a menial job, or slightly above average pay at best. HVACs and tradesmen, engineers, accountants, teachers, police, firemen, architects, technicians, managers and other workers should not have to spend both 4 years and several dozen thousands of dollars to get a job someone working that same job 50 years ago could have gotten without even finishing high school. Since we outlawed discriminatory hiring, everyone now suffers the fraud, waste and abuse that colleges and universitites provide. And not even doctors should have to spend more than 2 or 3 years in school, because most of college is make-work crap that doesn't prepare you for the actual field.
i am a medical student. having a bare minimum exam result is a terrible idea in this field. it's a competitive field, and i need a high score to stand out even to just get a job. even if it's just a signal theory, it's real in our society and there's no way to get by it.
Is it really that competitive in the states? Here in germany i have the feeling everyone who finishes med school is run over by job offers..
Hans Krieger hi I am a hairdresser trying to pursue a career in Germany. It wound be kind if you could share some insight about a career in hairdressing in the country
his whole statement on med schools is retarded. First of all, people that do get in with even low GPAs have high MCAT scores and/or other shadowing/extracurriculars that help them get in. And even then, the low GPA he talks about is in the range of a 3.2-3.4 (which isn't even bad for other majors because people don't study as hard for them than the natural sciences). The correlation between a 'low' undergrad GPA and clinical skills is totally flawed just for the reasons I mentioned. Not only that, but an applicant with a 'low' GPA that gets into med school WORKS HARD IN MED SCHOOL. So why do med schools demand a good GPA in undergrad?? It's because the med school coursework is really extensive (not hard, but there's a shit ton of information), as are the board exams. A school has to know somehow that you are able to handle this course load and the best way to do that is obviously using your GPA to see how motivated you are, and if you can handle a basic work load (undergrad is a lot less harder than any graduate/med school etc.)
Also, the whole programmer thing is true. A lot of Indians come to america that are good programmers, having taught it to themselves. If you go to an expensive school for programming, you are an idiot, unless you're trying to get a masters and move up in the field.
N K explain to me how wanting to help people degrades a profession that literally centers around helping people?
In general, the more your application tells about you in short as possible way.
Graduating diploma is easy and fast way to tell about what kind of person is.
You can be a walking supercomputer without diploma, and your possible future boss sees your potential,
but its a fucking risk to hire those kind of motherfuckers because fireing is allmost impossible.
If Boss could fire at will, he could pick the cherry allways with a few tries.
These days only way to avoid fucking lawsuit is to put those fuckers on a testing period.
Yea this is horrible advice. I'm studying civil engineering and would literally kill people if I decided to "focus on socializing" instead of studying.
I agree, I want to be a surgeon and if I were to socialize more than study I would literally kill people. I wouldn't want a person who focuses more on talking than doing their job properly to operate me. I would only advize that to people who want to be phsycologists or something in the sort, it would be more usefull to them
As a felow car mechanical engineering student, I agree.
In areas like engineering and medicine, there is just no time to socialize apart from class gaps during the day if you want to pass the whole course quickly.
It's going to be 3-5 years of social hell, but in the long run it will be worth it.
A job will feel slightly less hell-ish because it's a more direct routine without the hassle of sudden exams at the end of the semester, for example.
Exactly! I hate people like that, especially in my Electrical Engineering classes. They don't study, that's why their marks are so bad.
Stop cappin if you balance your time properly you can do a lot of socializing
@@don6740 You will be a much much better surgeon if medical college allows students to study medicine from undergraduate even from high school level.
as a mathematics student, I think I can safely disagree with this video, at least for my area. mathematics is just simply much more fun if you actually understand it, and not just learn to pass the test.
For sure! Doing CS degree and I viewed my compulsory maths papers as a burden as I was just aiming to pass but once I started from almost scratch over summer using Khan Academy, concepts just seem to click a whole lot better and I am enjoying it more and getting better grades.
zeraphus in that case they shouldn't be in university at all, it is a place of learning that it is its one critical function. I couldn't fathom why somebody would want to do a university degree with the sole intention of getting a job, what a waste.
ElzearYoung I can imagine something like physics to be the same. what if I want to learn all the boring stuff. did that never cross the video creator's mind. I will start my university life this year hopefully.
ElzearYoung well math is special
ElzearYoung yes, I totally agree. I'm an electronic engineering student
So how am I supposed to teach myself how to operate surgery on a person's brain ?
Josef you can learn by teaching yourself what's not taught in your class like becoming a doctors assistant, getting books other than your textbooks etc
Check out his other videos dude, it's easy!
He literally said that degrees are useful in some careers.
i think the video is more about bachelor's degrees, and even then it depends on the field
If you were a med student you'd already know the answer to that.
Lab animals + cold corpses are your 2 best friends.
until your resume gets filtered out by a computer because your gpa is too low
omgimgfut awfully sad isnt it?
omgimgfut I see where you're going, but that's bad analytics
It's true! Certain universities or graduate programs will only take the top bracket (I.e. 3.8-4.0 for med school) and evaluate them by certain criteria. Unfortunately that's how the cookie crumbles. Conform or pick a different career or at least a different graduate program.
can't you just lie
bulshit about your gpa for the time being? loool
"Do the bare minimum" is the exact mentality that leads to mediocrity and lousy work. Learning isn't useless, it's another skill. I'm pretty sure that working hard in class isn't only useful because of your GPA, but because it develops a higher and faster understanding of things, trains your brain to work more efficiently, and generally makes you a better employee or employer. Culture and knowledge are extremely valuable things that people like whoever wrote this clearly lack. It's not only about seeking a job and being a market machine, but about becoming a better person for the world, and also a wiser person. That's why I go to all the lectures I go, and I study hard for my tests. It's not about the degree, it's never been, that part's easy. It's about excelling because I enjoy that, and because not everything in life is social skills and business. The academy has its charm too.
No, it's useless. Why learn things you'll never use again outside of class?
Jorge Padua cause he just said it helps your brain, which it really does. Learning things, no matter how useless they are, trains your brain to retain information and work more efficiently when you are thinking or solving a problem. Also sometimes because of how boring or useless you think a subject is, you try to relate it with other things to make it easier to learn or you summarize it in a few lines. This helps in linking resources together in the future and solving problems in the quickest way. We humans are shit, but our brains our fricking awesome!!
Actually... everything materialistic in life is social skills and business
Thats quite motivational, too bad i already finished with about 30% attendance
Wait wait wait lmao wtf.; Book "learning" does Not help your brain. The brain learns the most when it is engaged and having fun. If you are doing anything that is definitely not-fun while trying to learn, especially over a long period of time. Your brain will link book-learning to "not-fun event", which will cause you to always forget everything you book learn, much more quickly over time than normal. If you can't internalize a concept, outside of just the "meaningless grind vocabulary", you will never truly understand what it actually is. And because you don't, the "feeling weights" of your brain will find it detrimental and useless, therefor discarding it.
www.goodreads.com/quotes/8823602-we-are-not-thinking-machines-that-feel-we-are-feeling
Pretty sure I need a degree in physics in order to perform measurements at CERN.
jojojorisjhjosef HAHA Same, i think this video is for practical jobs like teaching and stuff,You can't do physics or mathematics without knowing and understanting..
fragy Fraginston depends on which maths subject your in.. most math problems can be simulated in a computer
fragy Fraginston right, but he emphasized that university isn't always the most efficient way to actually learn.
Hexia The most efficent way to learn is by XP,But there are certain things like Physics that you need to learn before you can even do somthing....
fragy Fraginston yes, you made it clear that you need to understand physics in order to apply for a physics job. Going to college alone, however, isn't going to always inevitably bring you the knowledge you need.
I think the common misunderstanding in this video is that you should not try hard. He did indeed say "do the bare minimum" and I heard this advice both from a senior student and a teacher I admire. I believe where he was coming from; in context to what others meant when making this point is: you don't have to stress over a paper the night before for a speech class or any other class that isn't exactly honing your skills for your future career. There are many careers that ask you education yet you don't have to show them your G.P.A. So, in the long run during your early 20's it makes no difference whether you do what's expected or be the guy who has to excel in everything. Learn to value your time more in college. This doesn't mean to say go get drunk at parties more and do a paper last minute to get a C. Instead utilize the resources the college has to explore, learn something new, gain new perspective from new people, work as an intern while going to school. Because the degree is literally a status symbol you don't need to devote so much time in every class and every assignment to get that 4.0 because future employers just don't care. It's the experience that speak more to them. Bottom line try not to become a model student instead become a well rounded individual for your career path. There are a lot of people who can study but not many would know the practicality of things.
More people should see this comment
@@juliaprohaska9295 i agree
I think I'd rather study really hard to increase my chances of being accepted to a grad school to be able to work in my chosen field.
finally someone who listened to the video
Oh wow
In good universities you learn to learn, and you develop a lot of useful abilities, not just the theory that can be learnt in books
miguelrealp what are good universities? list?
very serious asking
Good Universities are those where you learn how to learn. Most of the Universities now have this orientation
miguelrealp so..... Prager Uni would be an example? maybe like Berkeley? sorry, I am just trying to understand, sorta at a crossroads and this may just be the info I need 😅🤗
miguelrealp
Thus theory has been tested: there are little to no transfer effects between fields of study.
You aren't taught how to learn
I'm a Pre-Med undergraduate. Something tells me if I shoot for a 2.0 GPA and the lowest MCAT score possible, I probably won't get in to med school...
You get your 4.0s and and do your MD, now you're a doctor, how exactly is calculus helping you when your job becomes routine?
OGHENNYLOAF it isn’t helpful. The last time they’ve done calculus is first year general calc classes. Your point is useless
Well...it is absurd that med schools in US require you to take an unrelated bachelor's.
aiming for the bare minimum is very bad advice. getting less than a 2:1 will close a significant number of doors for graduates. i'm speaking from personal experience.
Agreed. Always aim for the top.
James Kelly exactly. good grades means almost a guaranteed graduateship or internship.
By saying bare minimum he meant bare minimum to get all the opportunities. For an example, I would need a 7.0 CPI to sit in almost all interviews. So I should focus on getting 7.5 - the bare minimum in this case.
Abhi Shah
I disagree with you. Maintaining a CPI of 7.5 is a solid grade average - higher than what many achieve, I'm sure - and such a grade would require a lot of time and effort to acquire. Something that requires that level of dedication surely cannot be described as putting in the bare minimum, at least not by the definition which I believe was being used in this video. To me, the narrator seems to be suggesting that the bare minimum is lowest amount of effort required to earn the certificate, i.e. the passing mark.
The "bare minimum" required for whatever career is being pursued; not just the minimum required to pass the course. In the video its stated that a high gpa is required for med school so the bare minimum may be achieving a spot in the top 1% of applicants. Other degrees may not require high gpa's, but instead require special skills training or social connections, thus the bare minimum is requiring those things instead. The whole point of the video was to dispel the myth that top grades are the highest priority when it comes to a post secondary education. Understanding what careers interest you and the basic requirements to pursue them should be the primary goal.
probably applies for a fine arts major or anyone in the creative field, BUT definiely NOT for anyone aiming for an engineering or science degree
Yeah if you aren't going to university for money you can mess around.
@@xtensioncordtv1969 Lol Imagine going to college just to do nothing but drink and socialize with losers who do the same thing only to come out with heavy debt because you either fail out or jobs don't want you because your grades suck. Man, no wonder universities make so much money so easily.
Imagine you get drunk on an engineering project and bs your way to victory, and when you ultimately have to account for the lives of real people by your work, you will regret that extra drink and wish you applied yourself more.
I disagree. My undergraduate general education classes were certainly a waste of time, but once I was able to start taking the classes directly related to my major I learned a lot. Additionally, some fields require you to continue on to a Masters and if you only perform the bare minimum you will never get into a graduate school. For example, I am about to start graduate school to become a counselor. Because I worked hard, got good grades, volunteered, had human service work experience, an unpaid internship, and conducted research, I was a competitive enough applicant not only to get into a great grad program but to get a fully funded assistantship (tuition waived, paid a monthly stipend and health insurance covered). If I had not put forth an effort to get good grades and learn the material in my classes I would not have the foundational skills in order to counsel in my internships and practicums, and I likely would not have such an incredible financial package for the rest of my education. I am sure this applies to many other fields as well.
Additionally, you only looked at how people teach depending on whether they have a master's or a bachelors. The reason this is likely similar is that many people who teach with a masters do not have a teachers license but have more knowledge in their field, while those with a bachelors have to get a teachers license and learn pedagogy skills. Continuing to a PhD also teaches pedagogy, just specifically to a college education. Additionally, in my field getting a MA instead of just a BA increases starting pay by at least 20k a year, and allows you to have far more promotions and move to management, which is usually not possible with only a BA.
If anyone feels differently or has experience in a different field, I would love to hear your perspective though.
aberri12311 I just have the question of how you did/ do it.
what do you mean how did I do it? get the assistantship? or do all the other things that I put on my resume?
I think he is mystified by some peoples ability to apply effort to things, if you care about something you will work hard because it is personally rewarding. You sought out doing research and getting an assistantship on your own volition, by that fact alone is how you did it. There is no simple answer to such a question.
aberri12311 yeah I think Foulds28 said it. however I would still like a simple answer 😜😅 though I knew upon asking that the answer would be something to that end. I just wanna know how to start, but that's my obstacle to overcome: finding something I want enough to do. I mean, I already found someone I'll do whatever to be with, so, I guess it is good I don't have too much job preference? haha But also a little bit of the counselor entirely because that is a career and in field I have much interest in. Thanks! 😄
I think that it's funny how a person who doesn't necessarily use their education because they have charisma and managed to get big on RUclips feels it is the right thing to tell people either that the hard work they put in for their grades was useless or that they shouldn't strive for greater heights.
This is what we call regressive thinking, because if no-one is hard working then progress is impossible
The hard work is not the problem, it is more of a warning not to channel the hard work towards something of little value. He did not say do not work hard, he said to channel it towards more valuable things.
@@gmarefan so our grades aren't valuable 🤔🤔.. are u slow??
"aim for the bare minimum" yeah ok, what horrible advice
why
Selikem Kwadzovia not really
Selikem Kwadzovia It's a great technique
he's saying to aim for the bare minimum so you have the maximum ability to do something else that you enjoy more and is more relevant
saying "try to strike a balance" or "don't overwork yourself" or even "dont work harder than you need to" would have been much better...
Someone's going to take his advice too seriously and end up underestimating their responsibilities, making their life even more difficult than it was before they tried to make it easier
Tfw you're a stem major and accidentally clicked on this vid. I guess I don't need physics and chemistry to be an engineer after all. Thanks for the advice dude. #thisgavemecancer
Truong Nguyen I feel you I think I died during the last minute
fr almost impossible for a stem student to learn everything without enrolling in formal classes
Yea that's b.s.. as a PhD biomedical sciences, I see "good grade students" who are completely useless in the lab. I see "bad grade students" who are great in the lab but don't get hired (often have to work government jobs).
STEM is overrated and over saturated. You want a job after? Make sure whatever the hell you are studying is regulated. PERIOD. Best advice that I wish I knew when I was starting this long, low paying journey
beast what do you mean by regulated?
beast
I'm interested in your field, could you please sum up some of the qualities/skills that are important in the lab?
Also what do you mean by regulated?
Less likely to do drugs? I thought popping adderall was pretty common among people studying for exams. Perhaps it's only a percent or two?
Jagh Haringenamn Maybe by drugs he means heroine, cocaine etc?
i wouldnt think all of uni was exam based, their could be cource work in there too,
i heard they write papers, so that wont help that much
It's accounted for. 1% for graduate students is still less than 5% for non college students.
Jagh Haringenamn Maybe.. however college students are more likely to drink alcohol
He means hard drugs, you're not going to get arrested for your bottle of nightquil.
Don't forget that this is from a RUclipsr, he doesn't actually know which route is the best to take. Don't let a little video convince you to skip college, even if information doesn't directly relate to your job it can still be valuable. This video acts as if a career is the only part of life but anyone with common sense can tell you that knowing lots of trivial information and such can be enriching to life. Be smart enough to get smarter.
Thanks for this.
Yeah but that's IT, literally the single easiest online self teach subject
Bad anecdote honestly
This was largely overlooked in the comment section (although the comment section is full of appropriate criticisms.) IT is hands down the most widely available subject for self learning and it's ridiculous to compare other fields to it.
+Mr. Okay
Math and Physics too.
Information Technology and Computer Science are two vastly different fields. This video is very misleading.
Thanks for pointing that out. Alot of IT students literally know less computer than me, a med student who likes computer.
"Education in university is expensive"
*Laughs in European* 😂😂
You will pay it all your life too, don’t denigrate the US too quickly.
It still depends on the country.. Pretty much all the unis in the UK are the same as USA. Spanish unis also cost a lot and so do those in Holland.
@@denisisaev8332 yes but in england the tuition is £9500 or something like that and in American it could be 3 or 4 times that
@@bronwengrace7183 that is still a lot. a Bachelor's degree could be 3-4 plus a Master's degree after, and that's already over 50k. ALSO, if you move to a different country/city, you'll have to pay rent and etc. 50-100k for uni is a LOT, especially knowing that a job after it is not guaranteed and you will most likely get an average salary..
@@denisisaev8332 true
Yes! Aim for the bare minimum, so that the competition thins out and people with higher grades get the most job offers. /s
Depending on the field of work, good grades might not matter as much as just having a degree. Other things probably weigh heavier than grades.
no employer cares about your stars and mommy pleasing A+'s
Depends on the area.
Medicine? Very high competition, aim for top.
Car mechanical engineering? Very low demand here in my country, so I aim for "just passing". To the point a friend of mine, who got the bachelor in car mechanical engineering where I'm studying now, told me I just need to worry about passing the subjects.
Yet, regardless of the course, even if you adopt the "just pass" goal, it still consumes a lot of work and sanity to get there, even if you always do your best.
Hani Marwan law, medicine, and engineering employment field says otherwise.
You should aim for the bare minimum in debt. Anything else is personal preference and choice.
Working in the justice system requires a higher education. Working as a doctor requires a higher education. Working even as an economist requires a higher education. Working as an engineer requires a higher education. Working as a psychotherapist requires higher educations.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. Just because some jobs don't need higher education doesn't mean higher education is worthless.
He isn't saying higher education is worthless. He encourages you to study and warns you about using the 100% of your time on that. The recomendation is to complement your degree with different experiences, thought you will be resigning some higher grades.
Ivo Temelkov this shit only applies to people that go to college to study interior design
Ivo Temelkov My dad works at a bank that requires a bachelor's degree and he never finished his associates degree. He just proved he was worth hiring in other ways.
He is arguing the facts, not the reality of the system we live in. His position at the end is clear, even if it's not strictly beneficial to get a degree it can be a powerful asset, and so you should take into consideration the information he provides to actually make the most of your time while potentially wasting much of it in ways that the system forces upon you.
thats a damn lie i mean some people have to get a degree but being a cop is useless pays 14 dollars a hour (thats under average salary)
I disagree. University is not about learning what's useful for your job, it's about knowledge for its own sake. Imagine you got a room with 500 medical students and the lecturer is talking about some specific receptors. To 499 students this might be boring and useless later on, but there might be just ONE student who otherwise wouldn't have found out that he wants to work in THAT specific field. 5 years later that ONE student might do research on that boring receptor and find a new effective drug to fight a disease. If you don't force everyone to study the boring bits, those fields are going to die out.
Martin Schmid your a white washed moron
But in our country you are thought in the university that is mostly useful for your job.
Yeah, its a 3rd world country, but atleast they have taught us very useful things.
But about paying bills? That should be taught to you by your own parents.
Michael Weston you're*
xYuushax some parents don't even know how to pay bills. The stigma is that parents teach common things that happen to everyone, like taxes. However, schools should teach that. Because poor parents that aren't good with finance teaching their kids would lead to another generation of poor adults. Also, some parents don't teach about personal finances and taxes and assume the school will do that.
I agree with you, but No one wants goes to college for knowledge. They just want a job.
as a university student in first year (in England) i have a few things to say
firstly, who would go to uni and do a degree when they have little idea what they what to do for a career, its possible their degree could be useless in some jobs they may take.
secondly i do find university really useful comparatively to college( i think eq. high school) for my course that i am doing. The amount of new and specific information as well as access to industry standard equipment and lecturers is really helpful, you hear about their experience in the industry and other useful information as well as ways to do things you did not know about that you would never have found out any way at all.
well univeristy is only as useful as you make it to be, taking a generic course like math in the hopes that it might be useful is not a good way to think about uni because it shows you dont know what to do in life and that you have no passion for the course. and then theres the thing about finding a good uni, even a high ranking one can be useless in certain cources i was fortunate my uni actively knows about the industry and prepares us for it.
Which uni is that?
Maths is NOT a generic course, it's way too hard for that. If you are not sure what you want to do, then do PPE, or Politics and History, that will always stand you in good stead for whatever you want to follow. If you decide on something after that stick on and do a Master's in your chosen subject.
Lots of people go to university without knowing what they want as a career. In fact I think most of my friends did.You choose a degree at 17!
This video was amazing. I came upon it because I've started to realize how I'm really not a university person. Not because I'm antisocial, not because I'm not motivated, and definitely not because I don't care to learn. I'm actually studying mathematics and I simply find myself learning the most on my own. I don't like being in a squared room or lecture hall for lectures that aren't always useful, the quality of teaching from the professors have also been extremely varied. In the end I find myself to be my own most dependent and reliable resource for learning. I learn and understand more when I read at my own pace and focus on my own weaknesses, rather than go through this crazy pace with everything at university because that's what it feels like the system is doing to me- force me to memorize and get a degree, not to actually learn and understand with the way the program is set up. It stresses me out. Not everyone is the same so if the system works for you, then great. If it doesn't, then find ways to excel in your own light. Get creative!😊 Wonderful video.😊🌞🌻
I really disagree with you on this. I don't think there's data to fully support your theory of: don't try hard in school and just focus your energy on other projects. Most people aren't that organized or motivated to do that effectively. Also, there is likely little evidence to suggest that all classes are a waste of time. Surely some classes will be much more beneficial to your future than others. So, if you start classifying classes into Important and Not Important categories, how do you know if you're classifying them all correctly?
Yes, we've all had classes that suck and were a waste of our time, but following your advice is not only difficult to do, it would probably produce more drop-outs which would put everyone in a worse position because now they have tons of debt with no degree.
Brett Hartsell why do you think just because you drop out means your worse. How much you earn, learn, pay isn't going to keep you happy. Heck I can find surviving around the modern more better than someone who is superior. It is what you do that counts, so basically your working hard so you can be more of a idiot later on with your life. What I know is once you witness something, you witnessed it all.
All the sources for what he says are in the description, and the only real opinion he gives is his conclusion, that you should go to university for the degree (because of how employers will pick you over other applicants because of signalling), but should devote more time to educating yourself. The sources show that university students and those without degree's are mostly self-taught anyway, but yes, to varying degrees, university students found some course at least a little useful. Also, motivation and organisation aren't something you have to put yourself in debt for- degree or no degree, you can be just as motivated, degrees just make you easier to spot among applicants- and whether or not a class is useful to someone is something that they themselves can decide, based on what they feel about it or already know about it before choosing it.
"Don't let schooling interfere with your education"- allegedly a Mark Twain quote but to be honest, no one is sure.
Source?
Sorry but this guy shows clear EVIDENCE yet all you have is your made up, fairy tale opinion.
SHIVAM PATEL you are
even maths is useful
I don't get it. How could you work as a teacher if you haven't got a university degree? (Im not from the US)
You can't, at least not in Australia
You can if you go to community college
you can't in Canada either (or maybe just Alberta idk)
You can't. They weren't comparing people with and without degrees, they were comparing their grades in university before they became teachers.
You can be an English teacher in China or Russia without a degree as long as you have a TEFL certificate.
As a medstudent I really, really, really don't relate at all. Sure there are some subjects that are focused too much on by universities which really aren't going to be that useful (and thus might be a waste of time), but you are way, waaay, waaaaaaaaaay out of line when you say that a degree is only 'better' because of your presentation towards others. This might be correct for some specific jobs like teachers, programmers and artists, but other than that I really think you're in the wrong here. I'm actually so confident about this that if you respond to this comment and give me the studies that you've used that I can prove you wrong. I usually love your videos but this seems utterly fueled by subjectivity..
Same here, what a complete generalisation this video makes. Of course you're going to find your degree useless if you are working in a job that doesn't require a degree!
Plopsaap a
Regardless of anything else. Msg me when you graduate in 9 years :). That sounds douchey when I say it out loud but don't mean to be
69 + 44 + 35 + 26 is not equal to 100 % . What kind of percentage is that
Trev Eon i would like to know, too.
You can learn from 2 or more different sources, the percentages overlap :/
Trev Eon “please select all that apply”
He probably did the bare minimum in math
174% that would be wrong
Misleading. IT is not computer science (i.e. not programming). I would have to do more research on the studies put forth but I would guess that most degrees are useless: English, Arts, Underwater basket weaving. I think the biggest issue I take from this video is the conclusion. Is it really better to have a great employee as to a bad one? I think business has found have a bad employee is worse than missing out on the great one. What college allows you to quickly determine is that this individual can learn new tasks, has motivation and is able to accomplish a goal. Missing out on that great employee doesn't hurt my business but hiring someone that is completely unqualified could end up costing a lot.
Jason Vantrease additionally, ponying up the $$$ shows that you're willing to invest in yourself. So in the case of someone who foregoes college: If you aren't willing to invest in yourself, why should a company?
Jason Vantrease
True.
Getting a master's degree in computer science to become a programmer is like getting a master of architecture to become a construction worker.
The uploader has clearly no idea what he's talking about.
A computer scientist is basically a mathematician.
yeah so true dude!! ppl that go to Harvard are so stupid!!!1!1 LOL
I want a degree in Underwater Basket Weaving.
William Stockhecker lol who wouldn't
As for me, wanting to work as a researcher in theoretical physics without a PhD is both theoretically and practically impossible...
wait, why are they gonna get sued if they want to hire based on IQ?
John Doe discrimination, leftists love it.
Because IQ is a flawed system in it self, because it´s very dependent on the culture you live in.
You ever taken an actual IQ test?
This is one question (amongst 300) you may face:
If ☺ is to ☻, then • is to:
[ ] ◘
[ ] ○
[ ] □
[ ] ◦
Or even:
John's mom asks him to pick up 7 cans of oil from the Market.
Given that he can carry only 2 cans, how many trips will he have to make?
[ ] 7
[ ] 8
[ ] 9
[ ] 10
Of course, you're timed on it.
As you can see, not much space for social context sensitivity.
100 points for creativity =D
Der Gute, yes but sorting people out by university degrees is also a flawed system and they still implement it.
"Aim for the bare minimum" nothing has inspired me more to go to college than that sentence.
in my experience of university soo far I have found that all classes are useful and I couldnt have learnt all this myself
In my field, I had to go back and finish my degree to move upward. Working while attending school helped to reinforce what I was learning and to identify areas that were useful. Can't say how much I'd retain if I only attended school. So I'd agree that doing the 'minimum' and focusing on internships would be better for growth as well as a better use of your time.
School is much more important for jobs that require a fair bit of complex knowledge. A Medical student still needs to know all the components of the body, and needs to know what's best for a patient suffering an illness. Its professionally irresponsible to not know this information.
"Anyone can build a bridge, but only an engineer can build a bridge that _barely_ stands."
Thats stuff that you can learn outside of school. Im an electrical engineer, and half the stuff I know is very practical, but I could've never been able to teach it to myself.
Despite my parents, and other people telling me practically the same advice this video advised, the way it conveyed it made me understand so much more. As someone who is very tenacious and strives very hard to do my best, but keeps getting pushed to the ground because of the school system and life, this makes me feel a lot more confident about my perspectives of school performance, and the potential of my future career. Thank you Bite Size Psych
You could not have used a worse example than computer science. Not only has it been an emerging field but it is by far the easiest field to learn on your own. Almost makes me think you're spreading misinformation on purpose. Flip computer science with engineering and you would come to the opposite conclusion.
I agree that STEM degrees are better value than other degrees e.g. commerce, psychology and education. However, they are far from being immune to criticism.
Coming from STEM myself, as a medical student, the 2 most important things my university has given me are 1. free access to journals/database/resources like UptoDate and 2. access to hospitals. The subjects they actually provided at university have been average.
What inspired this video was my frustration with how I had to study all these useless things (looking at you Kreb cycle) or risk failing, even when there were clearly more important topics to focus my energy on (e.g. rather than memorising the minute details of systems physiology, I should have been practicing history taking with real patients).
Now, if you feel your degree IS teaching you valuable skills, by all means study hard. But I'm confident this sentiment will only resonant with a minority of students.
Bite Size Psych College isn't a job training facility or an IQ test, it's for people that want to learn.
As a Music Composition and Mathematics student, I've actually found ways to apply what I'm learning with what I'm doing. I can very easily recognize though that this is a rare thing for most students, but outside of my classes and studying, I work on crafting equations or writing music, just because it's fun to see how things work.
Somewhat correct. Engineering (be it software or electrical or other) is extremely competitive, nearly impossible to learn by yourself, at the level you would get to with mentoring (higher level education). But when I was going to college (just graduated 2 years ago) we, on several occasions, had guests from the industry come for meet and greets. I asked more then 10 of them in my 3 years at Uni what they see on a resume that makes them say "I definitely need to follow up with this candidate." They ALL responded with "extra work and projects." So this videos conclusion of doing the bare minimum and getting extra stuff done on the side is correct. They also state if you dont know what you want to do... something something. Get the fuck out of college for a while and stop wasting tens of thousands of dollars figuring out what you want to do.
"Computer science is the easiest field to learn on your own" rofl. PROGRAMMING can be easily learned on your own, not COMPUTER SCIENCE. These are two different things..
You make a few good points. I have studied for 4 years and I still cannot find a job in my field that pays well for the money my parents have put away for my studies. I agree that being more balanced and finding life experience while at university would have been a better thing for me to do. I sort of bought the dream that I would qualify with x y and z and have rather learnt now that starting my own project and exploring a bit more while at university would have set me further. Good marks in my field are requiredd though, so I did put my focus into that. But to be honest, much of my other skills, hobbies and interests fell to the wayside of the demanding content of Uni Work.
it doesn't apply to engineering or related studies. I am studying aeronautical engineering and believe me, there are some things that aren't so easy to understand by self taught, physics for example, it's complicated and hard when you advance further, I really find a physics teacher helpful in a bunch of ways, programming was a good example, but engineering is other thing apart, if I don't know physics I could be responsible for the death of people, or worse. To study at a university is really essential at least for a common student( not special talented people) in engineering.
You have fellow driven students to collaborate with. When you get stuck, at your beck and call are professors and tutors. And countless employers and internships are arrayed before you to apply to easily.
You are utilizing the resources that the college has made available to you. Collaborating with these students, you will build projects that give you experience and highlight you before employers. With the professors and tutors, you will learn what you need to be proficient in the field. And with the countless opportunities, you will gain a good starting point to enter the professional world. THAT is the value of college.
What is NOT the value of college is the grades you get - so long as you get a good enough grade, the fact that you wisely took advantage of all the other resources serves you far better.
I'm majoring in Astronautical Engineering and the AE professors work at NASA. Going to a university definitely helps a lot because you can collaborate with someone who's in that field and learn things that you really need to know.
you are the first person in my life who talks about doing YouTubing in life as a career or hobby , thank you
It's been a while dude, glad you're back
Yeaaaah aim for the minimum? My scholarships disagree with that.
Exactly
"Do the bare minimum" lol dont tell that to engineering students that might just be building your bridges in the future
And definitely not to med school students who might be performing a surgery on you in the future..lmao.
@@siddharthrajan616 exactly
Maybe this idea is better in school, but in university you actually need to know stuff they teach you.
I’ve decided to go to uni just to prove to myself that I can do it
Me too
This was more about how you feel that degrees are worthless, rather than what students should know about universities.
You don't know what you're talking about.
alicedesu xx Saitama sensei!
Could you elaborate?
Because what he says is pretty accurate, at least when it comes to Computer Science, with the people I know
Kim Are you serious?
Okay. The important thing to remember here is that a lot of people in these studies are saying that they've learnt some skills themselves. I wonder if going to university had any bearing on them being able to do that(Of course it has, don't kid yourself.)
Right in the beginning of the video he says something along the lines of "one survey said programmers said their knowledge is self taught. Clearly, universities aren't that essential for the process of learning". This guy is basing this on one survey. ONE. I refuse to take this seriously. As somenone doing their masters in the STEM field, I can't take it seriously.
Let's go on to the machine learning branch of computer science. Someone who hasn't done a course in machine learning and mathematical sciences, with some focus on stochastic processes, is simply not qualified to get a job that requires this knowledge. No matter how much you are going to try to convince ANY employer that "Oh I've learnt this myself, yeah, I get the math". You're not getting that job. Hell, your resume has been shredded the moment they got it. Remember that having that computer science degree is part of the reason they even got the job. And it's also the reason that they can learn plenty of things by themselves.
As far as I'm concerned, IT isn't the same as computer science. Being able to install Windows, change hardware, does not mean you can also calculate the computational complexity of nested For loops, or even know what it is(And vice versa). And he hammered this his point home as if it was the same. And also, I'd like to see someone with a degree from a university who HASN'T learned anything from on the job training.
University teaches you tackle new problems and how to solve them on your own, especially in STEM degrees. Saying that this is useless.. Man, get consecutively normal punched.
Trenton Borders 40 000 programmers sure, but does that even remotely justify his conclusion? That was the point I made.
I just want to thank the creator of this video. I'm writing a paper on the purpose the university and reasons for attending, and the information in this video as well as source work were incredibly helpful. Thanks again.
First off all, yes not everything you learn is going to be useful but that is mainly because not everyone is going to do the same job later. If 25% of a course is useful, that doesn't mean that its the same 25% for all students. Just like high school not every class you had was useful in the long term but it helps you keep your options open.
Second of all, you may have self learned a important skill in your field but the reason you could learn that to your self in the first place is because you had a good understanding about the subject due to school
Third, not everything you learn is always critical. You don't need to be dealing with a thing on a daily basis to need basic understanding in it. Even though a psychologist mainly deals with depressed patients that doesn't mean they don't need to know how the symptoms of schizophrenia may manifest and show. All though it can take years they actually come across a schizophrenic patient they still need to be aware of the option.
Also doesnt university mainly teach a way of thinking? And when people ask to report what they use of the things they learned doesn't this easily get ignored because it becomes so natural?
Great video! I agree with every single aspect of it. I mostly loved how yu addressed the uselesness of the degree itself and how it pushed people to get one just in order to compete. This is costig society a lot (especially in Europe since education is paid with taxes). I also liked how you emphasized skills you learn outside of your studies. You could've added one benefit of higher education though. It teaches you good methodology for self learning and how or where to look for sources to help you learn by yourself.
Do you honestly think a 18 year old straight out of high school will deliver better work performance than someone with the most basic degree in that field. Don't be naive.
Ruan Geldenhuys Yeah but if he get’s a 4 year vocational training (mixed maybe with some intellectual courses for the sake of it), I feel he will be more productive, employed, richer (or not in debt) and more in a win-win situation than a similar guy would have spent his 4 years at university hoping to learn the right skills and hoping to pick up a few internships. I am finishing my master’s degree in computer science, yet I feel a mere 2 or 3 classes (out of 39) only were useful for my career, the rest was fillings (my teacher says I « might » use them, but this triggers me a little bit). I have a project in enterprise and an internship to save me, but I feel I might have gotten my job through a simple vocational training mixed with a small university certificate for the sake of methodology. And I’m 27 years and severely in debt, still a decade away from the middle class.
Yeah aiming for the bare minimum won't cut it for a STEM major
If you aim for the bare minimum, you shouldn't be in college to begin with.
basically what I got from this video is to not get so caught up on the GPA (which I was freaking out over a B) but to make growing and learning, as an individual, a priority in this time period. It's great advice actually. That will prevent you from ending in a field you are unhappy with in the future.
"Aim for the bare minimum" story of my life
Warning!
Although there are some legitemate criticisms of the video down in the comments, a lot of people, ney I would say a majority of comments also skew the argument and counter a straw man version of what Bite Size Psych. Ad hominem attacks and other threats are the norm amongst the comments.
How much do you want to bet this guy didn't go to university...
He went to a med school...
After having a ton of imposter syndrome during my current stint at university, this vid was a relief to watch. I'll keep kicking ass with my volunteering, work and networking and try not to let the pressure of study undermine my success at uni and elsewhere.
what they teach you in cs degree is theorical knowledge. this improves your learning skills and quality of your code.they wont teach you how to code x framework in y platform, so question asked in survey is misleading
Berke Oral
That depends on how your university does things.
Why some people talk about "soft skills" and "education" telling that "education isn't that important but social skills are"? Why we think "social skills" are opposite to "education"? You CAN have a degree and at the same time having good social skills. BOTH ARE VERY IMPORTANT.
how can you actually advocate "aiming for the bare minimum" but then enjoin viewers to "get the most of out university"? I'm not sure what your motives are, but your advice is going to set up a lot of students for a very bad time. Also, you seem to base each claim on one study, while scrubbing all of its relevant context. So while it may seem like you have a lot of data to support your conclusion, you're actually drawing from a shallow pool of evidence (which are themselves referring to only a few specific fields) to make some grand conjecture that seems designed to motivate young and aspiring minds to stop trying. Talk about bad career advice.
So let me get this straight: you think because it's RUclips it's ok to make things up? I would argue that since it's RUclips that means you have an even wider audience of impressionable viewers to whom you should take some due consideration before you deliberately mislead them. Though since you just admitted the misinformation was deliberate I suppose I can't expect you to care about the consequences. Though why then should you expect me to be grateful? And Google gave you money you claim?
And sure, somebody somewhere will likely have better grades than anyone else, but then a person with high grades is also likely to have higher grades than a great deal of other candidates, so what's the point of even fixating on grades then? Wouldn't it make more sense to tell people to try to develop competencies but not worry about the grades? Your video just says don't try, but then in your own response you admit that you did try. And look, you apparently have some apparently lucrative job you might have also invented, though I can't be sure at this point with you, since it is RUclips after all. And now you're throwing that scholarship down as anecdotal evidence. Hate to tell you this, but scholarships are a measure of performance, no different than a grade. And you sure as hell seem plenty concerned and pleased about that. Stop preaching your nonsense.
A. Bastardo well bill gates study law in harvard, but in the end he left and join the computer industry. i think the vid do have some valid points, but its rather too generalize, some jobs requires just the degree while some competitve fields like investment banks needs gd grades to get in.
University doesn't teach you subjects, it teaches you a method, if you do it properly. It's a basic lesson you learn when you start it. Engeneering doesn't aim to teach you some specific subjects, it aims to give you a specific mind-set in orser to analise and solve certain kinds of problem. I think this is the real importante lesson you get when you go to university. Of course also the expoeriences outside classes are important and everything you said. But it seems to me like you've missed the main topic.
I'm actually from Italy. I know high school is set completely different here from the US, maybe even university, but i think this is quite usefull for every university student
unless you have what? for med school!
I graduated with a B.S. in computer science from a state university. I had a 2.2 GPA. Now I make good money as a programmer, in the 9 years since I graduated I've bought a condo, had a baby and been unemployed for a total of 2.2 years of that time. I got a wide education in college. I would say "I'm too busy learning to get good grades." My dream job would be to work for Google and while I'm quite creative and good at algorithms, my low GPA has kept me from getting my foot in the door.
Lots of bad examples and assumptions in this videos, comment and many like it :/
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
For example, the discussion at 2:07. Without thinking too far into it, I'm wondering how many of those people had a degree of any kind. Just because my degree is in Computer Information Systems doesn't mean I can't become a CPA.
The way that info is presented makes it seem like those who did not have an IT related degree had no degree at all.
A lot of the video is skewed to make college look bad without explicitly lying.
tepspain
Confirmation bias's everywhere
There's merit about the things mentioned in this video. Although, college or uni is not just about getting a degree but having a reference and connections within the industry. And if you think of about it, if you're paying for a 5-6 digit tuition, aren't you going to work hard to learn and gain more experience along the way so you could earn back that money? It's a motivational mechanism as humans don't like losing money, you just need to condition your mind differently that spending time and money for education will be rewarded if you put 100% effort into it. Saying a degree is useless/worthless is dangerous advice, education is education, it breeds culture, it makes you part of a thinking community, and as other people say "there's no virtue in ignorance", also, even if you think the degree you took seems useless at the moment, you might be able to use that degree/skill later in life.
If you're not satisfied with your education you can transfer to a school with a better program, in which you will learn more. However, this requires good grades. Saying that you should ignore grades, or rather, keep them at a minimum, would go against the whole idea of going to college, considering that you can always transfer. If you feel that you need to learn things on your own, outside of university, while in university, you should work hard in school to get good grades, subsequently you can go to a university that will satisfy your thirst for knowledge. However, you do bring up a good point, in that we should step back and see our education for what it is, and for what we can get out of going to school. The opportunities to network, intern, and participate in research give you a greater return than just the coursework. It's true that you can learn a lot on your own, if you're dedicated you can probably earn the equivalent of a college degree from free resources, in terms of education alone. However, if you're already in university (and not, say, working on a startup without an education) you should take advantage of what you already have, as educating yourself in your free time can prove to be a very daunting task in terms of scheduling and organization. Nonetheless, you are correct in that we can't ignore university's other opportunities, and that our focus should be on learning, not grades, but the grades will grant us other opportunities (such as more qualifications at graduate school).
"Less likely to do drugs"
Sure Jan.
people that say u don’t need a uni degree 🤦♂️
SOMETIMES YES YOU DO!! sometimes it’s 10x easier to learn in uni than teach yourself.
And a degree is also a qualification that can come in a lot of use.
Depends on where you are from
Experimenting at university is the best idea! I am just finishing my music degree, but I joined the Athletics team in my final year and now I'm going to train as an officer in the army! I never enjoyed sports before uni and I certainly never would've thought I'd be joining the army after uni. It's great, because without experimenting at uni, I never would have found what I wanted to do after uni!
I did NOT go to university and look, I have a YT account
edit:I might be a scientist or board game maker
Is it working? Are you benefiting from the views?
You need accredited degrees in most fields to become a professional. Try becoming an architect without having an accredited degree and not working on projects in a studio taught by professionals. This is ludicrous.
Hahaha this is only true for useless degrees... I don't know what his credentials are, but he has Psych in his channel's title, and if you want to become a psychologist, you need top grades.
medical student
Don't agree. One of the reasons why my resume even got to my current supervisor was that I had a perfect GPA in college.
How can 69 percent of people be self taught and 44 learnt through on the job training. Your statistic goes over 100 percent... Reliable much
"Select all that apply"
I love how this whole video is based on knowing the knowledge rather than having a physical degree, but at the end he tells you not to learn the knowledge 😂😂😂😂
I disagree so much with this video. Does a degree perfectly equate itself with the relative intelligence of the person receiving it? No. I'd say confidently that anyone is capable of becoming a lawyer or a doctor, etc. But what college and the grades you receive signify to me is the quality of a worker that you are. Many people take their studies for granted, are not self starters, are relatively unmotivated and perpetuate this cycle of laziness and apathy. The grades you get are a determinant of your willingness to grind something out in order to succeed. It may be boring or tedious but you display a strong work ethic to work through that apathy and achieve excellence. I'm a firm believer that building up a strong work ethic through your schooling leads to a development of desirable characteristics that employers or recruiters will recognize and appreciate. Sure there are some people who get good grades but have no discernible life skills and some who don't get good grades but are able to adjust to a professional environment but to say that a degree is useless is I think a gross understatement of what attaining one actually represents.
I feel like the people completely skipped everything you spoke on in the the whole video and then chose what they wanted to complain about. Your point is that if you are getting a degree just to get one, then do that and focus on self learning (which many people do not focus on) and, the part everyone missed is that if you are in your degree to learn and it is necessary for you work then achieve that. Most people say degrees are useless coming out of college, your point is even though it is superficial most of the time, it is still something that gives you an advantage over others and thats something to value. What most people are commenting and complaining about is that you’re not appealing to them directly and they are trying to fit this message to themselves and into their own field of study like engineering. This video wasn’t about those people, this video is about the vast majority who have a degree and no direction or they are thinking of quitting. Glad this discussion can be had openly.
Something is wrong about that title 👀
The Middle Way Every student should know how to spell university.
Justin Ward lol wtf!
Not so sure about this. I agree with many others in the comments that STEM is a different arena. One of the main things a university student needs to know is: Have A Plan! Don't just go into university _just because_ that's what you think is right. That's what causes so many people to get bullshit degrees and waste time and money. If you have no plan, this video makes sense, and you would have wasted everything. Know what you want first then go for it.
Specialize and develop skills and ideas that are unique to you. Having a degree itself isn't really going to get you the job. You have to stand out.
I am a programmer, I went to university. I have worked with people with and without a degree. When I hire programmers they need to have a degree. Home grown and self taught developer skills are unfocused and lack skills relevant to what is currently needed. As far as aim for the bare minimum for grades I think that is off mark. I have found A workers want to work with other A workers. This also is a signal that you do a thorough and thoughtful job in the workplace. I expect at least, at least a B average and skills/experience outside the classroom. Get an internship. I had three in college and only one was unpaid, the third was a real Job and paid an actual salary even though the title was development intern. College provides an environment it's what you do with it that matters.
I am programmer myself, got no degree, completly selftaught as a kid. Not needed, find very valuable jobs on every corner. And I would always prefer self taught to programmers with degrees, because most people I have seen so far, who have a degree, are following a certain pattern without any special ideas. So there you go
I definitely like the last part what you do in your spare time is what you learn most. I'm studying electrical engineering and in my spare time I watch videos about it or I'm reading about it. on the other hand my friends gets good grade but spends zero time outside of that learning or doing something related to computer engineering. and it seems that he doesn't remember much of what he learned the previous semester.
I agree that simply having a degree doesn't make you inherently better at a job. and most of what is learned in a university such as skills/knowledge will be obsolete by the time the student graduates. I think the purpose of a degree or a skill acquired by doing so, is: learning to become a learner. also college does give great opportunities to do internships/job shadowing/research with professors.
This ain't gonna help me overcome prokastination.
Nor your spelling 😂
Always quite important to do is to work during university. Go work 2 nights a week at the pub. why you ask? what does a pub have to do with my degree? You are showing you're employable, you're one time, you come to work with the right equipment, you're able to work as part of a team, also able to work independently, you are also able to converse with customers, able to priopritise, and many more things. these skills re highly sought after, because when you leave uni, no matter how well you did, you and the person next to you have the same piece of paper.
I feel that employers should be able to do IQ tests.
the best reference I've ever seen on YT: Michelle Spence's signalling model , that was a thing I've been thinking about for years, and You guys gave me a high valuable source , Thanks a million !!
IT is not programming
simple synopsis of the video: don't get too caught up in your grades, instead focus as well on other things that will improve you as a person moving forward in the world. I understand the logic completely, although I don't think doing the bare minimum will cut it. you should have just said to focus on other facets of university as well. I respect the logic and work going into this anecdote and believe much of it is spot on
IT != CompSci !!!
I need to figure out that too XD
I'm indenting to go to university in October, and the fact that I knew a large portion of the video already gives me greater confidence in myself that I made the correct choice. Still, thanks for the tips
STEM fields should be tuition free (in other words funded wholly by taxes)
The_Pyromancer because I love my taxes being wasted on ugly nerds
paul fears LMFAO
@Paul that’s why we can tell your so smart :)
ugly nerds who make your life easier by advancing technology ehh?
The_Pyromancer Only if the make it retroactive💲💵👍
Changed my view about universities. Excellent video!
You need a degree to work in a STEM field!
Hi! My friends and I are so glad that you're making these wonderful RUclips videos again!! No more breaks for you, okay? 😊
Am I the only one who actually agree with most of what he said?
Of course, we shouldn't do our minimum when it comes to our work
but don't you guys think there's something wrong when our system forces us to kill ourselves with study for years to get a good and well-payed job?
Magiccphil no your not the only one, I agree with you. The worst part, in my point of view, is that the system forces us to kill ourselves with studies to finally get qualified to work for somebody else..
Well, i partially agree. I don't think we should do our minimum in anything and we should always aim for the top/our best, but during that we shouldn't forget that life isn't just studying. In my opinion I think we should always have a schedule that includes time for learning but also some time to enjoy life. Both things are important and we should never neglect neither of them.
This video is true of advanced sciences too. My (much older) cousin has worked for a company that holds government contracts on things he's not even allowed to talk about, however i know he developed methods many years back for cleaning up after a dirty bomb. Anyways the way he put it, all college gave him that he couldn't get elsewhere was actual experience working, and some connections. Universities are really just a way to make money at this point. The information about sciences and things is available. I've personally found dozens of university textbooks online for free. Of course there's things that simply can't be learned from a book, but a basic apprenticeship type experience with someone who already works would give you the 'real-world' knowledge that you need. Universities work well, but aren't necessary and certainly can't justify the amount of money they charge, or the enormous debt they leave many with for years.