I got to see this airplane at the Midwest LSA in Mt. Vernon, IL. Dan had an execellent forum presentation. Dave was behind the camera! See you at the 2020 Midwest LSA!
Dan usually gives prices - I edit them out because prices change - especially with the exchange rates. For pricing and more information on options etc. visit the manufacturers websites - which are given in the videol The Ultralight Flyer
I'll give you a good piece of advice after 50 years of flying: Do not buy a sports plane. Here are my reasons: 1. For the price of a new one you can buy a used, reliable, safe and comfortable Cessna or Beechcraft. 2. Sports planes use small highly stressed engines. They do not last and are expensive to rebuild. 3. Sports planes are very light and are highly susptible to turbulance and cross winds. Thunderstorms are verbotten. 4. Their performance in a headwind is poor. 5. You have little protection in the event of a crash. Have a look at what choices you have for $115k. If you are into STOL, how would you like to own a genuine, upgraded, vintage Feisler Storch and watch your piece of history appreciate in value. I have a Cessna Centurion and a Beaver. I love them both. The Centurion is the workhorse. The Beaver is like flying an engine with a plane attached. I also have a Tiger Moth and its what I learned to fly in.
Let us look at your statements 1. While you may be able to buy a used convention aircraft, the cost of to bring it up to a "reliable, safe and comfortable" and keep it as such will break the bank. 2. Rotax, Jabiru, Lycoming, and Continental engines ARE not highly stressed. I have flown on Rotax 4 stroke engines for over 20,000 hours in a training environment since 1990. Not once has one let me down. I have interviewed and talked to 100's of pilots with 1,000's of hours flying - on the reliability and cost of operating them. In most cases the savings in fuel can pay for an engine rebuild - AT 2,000 hours! Which is the same as a conventional aircraft. 3. LSA or ELSA are no more susceptible to turbulence than a 150, Cub or other light aircraft. The control response is also considerably more efficient and smoother. A 25 mph, 90 degree crosswind is more pilot experience than aircraft for a light sport. Thunderstorms!!!!!! Explains itself for both pilot and aircraft in this class! 4. Having flown across Canada and from Toronto to Florida in LSA class aircraft at an average cruise of 100 to 110 mph I can honestly say flying for 3 hours covering 300 to 350 miles a leg I noticed no difference in headwind or tailwind. 5. LSA aircraft are built EXTREMELY strong! Some are actually stronger than their convention predecessors - because they were built on mistakes made by them. 6. You are correct "upgraded, vintage Feisler Storch and watch your piece of history appreciate in value." A vintage Storch might appreciate in value with a lot of care and upkeep. As would my 1958 Corvette! BUT I very seldom drive it across the country, parts and service are hard to find, no glass panels, gps, radios intercoms, electrical systems etc. 7. I have 4 trainer, side by side seating taildraggers, and my amphibious SeaRey. All work for a living and allow me to do what I do here! The Ultralight Flyer
I agree buying a used plane then paying for upkeep and annuals etc. etc is a deal breaker. Not to mention if you want an off field capable pane. It gets exotic and expensive for a used traditional airplane. I'm seriously looking at a 4 stroke , tundra equipped LSA to fly around for fun for a few years. Assuming I don't crash it I think the value will hold up pretty well.
I have not had great luck with anything rotax but an aircraft needs to be suitable for the mission period. No Beechcraft is going to do what this plane does
I have a question I work in a paper mill my annual salary is anywhere from 75k-95k depending on how much OT I work how do the average person afford 115k plus that's why I would rather buy a tri pacer 150 172 or champ for about 20k-30k all day long
I agree the cost of even light sport aircraft is ridiculous. I have seen that Aeromarine makes the Merlin. Check it out. It looks like a really " affordable" plane for about $34,000. Still a lot of money I guess. Also the Belite Procub is about half that price but they just had a fire in the factory so they might be down for a while. I also did just see that there is a microlight manufacture in Las Vegas that makes what looks like a pretty cool microlight for a super affordable price point.
Hi Joa, I own a Savage cub, and flew too the Savage Bobber in south african bushflying..so great ! please do not hesitate to fly them and feel the pleasure ! Savage does not copy... he reivents on old schemes with Old Continent innovations and with the defects of other in less...
@@juliensorel543 The company got their start making a carbon copy of the Rans S-7. I still have a hard time with that....but as a 4000 hour +S-7 pilot, I DO like those flapsI Not the gear, way too draggy, or the cowl, also very draggy. That gear alone has to knock 5 mph off the cruise speed, as compared to cub style gear.That is a 75 mph airplane, at 5 gph, compared to my S-7S at 85 and 3.5 gph. The turbo adds a lot of weight and heat, not interested in one, and my strip is over 1 mile high, so don't tell me it's "needed"! The airspeed shown means nothing, due to pitot tube AOA error, I can make mine read zero, big deal. The landing wasn't that slow or short, considering the field elevation. No question that adding the drag and weight of slats helps the low end, but landing shorter then you need to get off is useless, except at airshows. I have considered slats for years, but VG's due most of what they do, without their drawbacks. Nice plane though, nicely executed, looks like good workmanship, but for stateside buyers, go to Kansas!
$115,000. I’ll save you the google.
Thanks
I got to see this airplane at the Midwest LSA in Mt. Vernon, IL. Dan had an execellent forum presentation. Dave was behind the camera! See you at the 2020 Midwest LSA!
WOW that guy has a good feel during stall demo. No rookie.
A mini I Draco?. Very nice!
What a beautiful plane
Everything about aviation is big bucks it's to expensive for most ppl.
how cheap do you expect a plane to be my man
Cost please Dan
Dan usually gives prices - I edit them out because prices change - especially with the exchange rates. For pricing and more information on options etc. visit the manufacturers websites - which are given in the videol
The Ultralight Flyer
John I did a little research and it looks like the basic model is about $120.000.
I'll give you a good piece of advice after 50 years of flying: Do not buy a sports plane. Here are my reasons:
1. For the price of a new one you can buy a used, reliable, safe and comfortable Cessna or Beechcraft.
2. Sports planes use small highly stressed engines. They do not last and are expensive to rebuild.
3. Sports planes are very light and are highly susptible to turbulance and cross winds. Thunderstorms are verbotten.
4. Their performance in a headwind is poor.
5. You have little protection in the event of a crash.
Have a look at what choices you have for $115k. If you are into STOL, how would you like to own a genuine, upgraded, vintage Feisler Storch and watch your piece of history appreciate in value. I have a Cessna Centurion and a Beaver. I love them both. The Centurion is the workhorse. The Beaver is like flying an engine with a plane attached. I also have a Tiger Moth and its what I learned to fly in.
Let us look at your statements
1. While you may be able to buy a used convention aircraft, the cost of to bring it up to a "reliable, safe and comfortable" and keep it as such will break the bank.
2. Rotax, Jabiru, Lycoming, and Continental engines ARE not highly stressed. I have flown on Rotax 4 stroke engines for over 20,000 hours in a training environment since 1990. Not once has one let me down. I have interviewed and talked to 100's of pilots with 1,000's of hours flying - on the reliability and cost of operating them. In most cases the savings in fuel can pay for an engine rebuild - AT 2,000 hours! Which is the same as a conventional aircraft.
3. LSA or ELSA are no more susceptible to turbulence than a 150, Cub or other light aircraft. The control response is also considerably more efficient and smoother. A 25 mph, 90 degree crosswind is more pilot experience than aircraft for a light sport. Thunderstorms!!!!!! Explains itself for both pilot and aircraft in this class!
4. Having flown across Canada and from Toronto to Florida in LSA class aircraft at an average cruise of 100 to 110 mph I can honestly say flying for 3 hours covering 300 to 350 miles a leg I noticed no difference in headwind or tailwind.
5. LSA aircraft are built EXTREMELY strong! Some are actually stronger than their convention predecessors - because they were built on mistakes made by them.
6. You are correct "upgraded, vintage Feisler Storch and watch your piece of history appreciate in value." A vintage Storch might appreciate in value with a lot of care and upkeep. As would my 1958 Corvette! BUT I very seldom drive it across the country, parts and service are hard to find, no glass panels, gps, radios intercoms, electrical systems etc.
7. I have 4 trainer, side by side seating taildraggers, and my amphibious SeaRey. All work for a living and allow me to do what I do here!
The Ultralight Flyer
I agree buying a used plane then paying for upkeep and annuals etc. etc is a deal breaker. Not to mention if you want an off field capable pane. It gets exotic and expensive for a used traditional airplane. I'm seriously looking at a 4 stroke , tundra equipped LSA to fly around for fun for a few years. Assuming I don't crash it I think the value will hold up pretty well.
I have not had great luck with anything rotax but an aircraft needs to be suitable for the mission period. No Beechcraft is going to do what this plane does
I have a question I work in a paper mill my annual salary is anywhere from 75k-95k depending on how much OT I work how do the average person afford 115k plus that's why I would rather buy a tri pacer 150 172 or champ for about 20k-30k all day long
I agree the cost of even light sport aircraft is ridiculous. I have seen that Aeromarine makes the Merlin. Check it out. It looks like a really " affordable" plane for about $34,000. Still a lot of money I guess. Also the Belite Procub is about half that price but they just had a fire in the factory so they might be down for a while. I also did just see that there is a microlight manufacture in Las Vegas that makes what looks like a pretty cool microlight for a super affordable price point.
A Kolb MarkIII xtra with tundra tires will mostly do what this plane will, with side-by-side seating, and at a fraction of the cost.
Aviation is just not affordable for most people.
Is this really "ultralight?"
In Canada yes. In the U.S. it is a Light Sport Aircraft.
The Ultralight Flyer
When will we ever be able to add let’s say 100lbs to the minimum and get on with fun flying!!!
This is what you get from an overseas company that copies US innovation- first Rans S-7 structure and then Just Aircraft SuperSTOL gear design.
Interesting no mention of the Cub or Super Cub, Slepcev Storch or the WW II Fieseler Storch
The Ultralight Flyer
Joa Harrison But the Shock Ultra is a copy of none. There’s not much else out there that can beat this bird in slow flight!
Hi Joa, I own a Savage cub, and flew too the Savage Bobber in south african bushflying..so great ! please do not hesitate to fly them and feel the pleasure ! Savage does not copy... he reivents on old schemes with Old Continent innovations and with the defects of other in less...
@@juliensorel543 The company got their start making a carbon copy of the Rans S-7. I still have a hard time with that....but as a 4000 hour +S-7 pilot, I DO like those flapsI Not the gear, way too draggy, or the cowl, also very draggy. That gear alone has to knock 5 mph off the cruise speed, as compared to cub style gear.That is a 75 mph airplane, at 5 gph, compared to my S-7S at 85 and 3.5 gph. The turbo adds a lot of weight and heat, not interested in one, and my strip is over 1 mile high, so don't tell me it's "needed"! The airspeed shown means nothing, due to pitot tube AOA error, I can make mine read zero, big deal. The landing wasn't that slow or short, considering the field elevation. No question that adding the drag and weight of slats helps the low end, but landing shorter then you need to get off is useless, except at airshows. I have considered slats for years, but VG's due most of what they do, without their drawbacks. Nice plane though, nicely executed, looks like good workmanship, but for stateside buyers, go to Kansas!
But one ups US on features and price
Hey buddy stay off the grass
Tundra tires get chewed up like a shredder on pavement and at 1200 a tire ur gonna go for the grass