What are the Different Standards of EV charging?
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- Опубликовано: 5 дек 2019
- So there are a 3 main types of fast EV charging:
1. CHAdeMo
2. CCS
3. Tesla Supercharger
These are generally used when people are on a long road trip and they either need a break or their car needs a charge. There are big differences to the main charging standards.
CHAdeMo is one that was one of the first ones to be introduced and its also being the first ones to become outdated. While this charging standard can have speeds of up to 100kw, most electric cars that have this plug cap out at just 50kw. Turns out I have never actually seen a 100kw CHAdeMo plug so i'm going to assume they are very rare.
So CCS is a standard that came last, even after the Tesla supercharger. This standard is adopted among most of the EVs out today including the model 3 in Europe and China. This standard is going to be the future as it has capabilities like vehicle to grid, just like CHAdeMo, and it can charge cars really really fast at up to 350kw if the cars can take it.
So now we come to the Tesla supercharger and this type of charger is only on tesla vehicles as of now and it will probably stay like this for a long time. The advantage the tesla supercharger has over all the others are that they are very reasonably priced, they are very easy to use and don't require any sort of app, and they are placed at locations you would want to stop at anyways. The last part is especially true in North America, to find out why, watch the video and you'll know.
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The reason why Europe and America have a different plug for AC charging is pretty simple actually.
In North America the power a residential home gets is a 240V (or 208V?) connection phase split into 2 120V wires. The 2 thin connectors on the J1772 are just for communication between vehicle and charger, 2 of the thicker connectors are each 120V live wires and one is protective earth (Note, due to the phase splitting the connector that is meant for neutral is the second live wire. Technology connections has a video explaining this).
In Europe the power a residential home get is an (up to) 3-phase 240V connection. The Type 2 connector again has 2 thin connectors for communication and 5 thicker connectors, one again is protective earth, one is neutral and the other 3 are the 3 phases.
So basically if we say that you can get 50A to the charger in your garage, in a regular household. In Europe you'd get 400V and thus 20kW. In North America (if I am not mistaken) you get 240V and thus only 12kW.
Technically the J1772 (also called Type 1) is just a single phase version and the Type 2 a 3-phase version of the same connector. Which is why I do think that just installing a Type 2 connector even in North America makes sense for future proofing. I don't believe the regular residential voltage in NA will change to 3-phase 230V AC anytime soon, but since NA technically already runs on 3-phase 230V AC but just phase split to get 120V AC, delivering 3-phase 230V AC to residential homes just for EV charging doesn't seem unlikely to me.
Yea but I highly doubt the connectors will change. Type 1 and type 2 work perfectly fine with a small adapter so you could charge a North American car in Europe and vice versa. Fast charging is where things get tricky!
"pretty simple actually"
*Proceeds to write a whole ass essay
I'm still looking into and trying to convince my husband to get an EV for our next vehicle, but he has premature range anxiety, we love to travel. You did an amazing job at explaining the different chargers, and now I feel I can share this with him so we can make an informed decision together.
Can't believe I found your video 6 months after purchasing an electric car.
Thanks for the simple explanation. Really loved it
Thanks for the compliment!
FINALLY. An INTRO. Simple yet perfect 👌🏻
Glad I found your Channel. Very informative and very well explained. Thank You!
Thank you for the compliment!
Most home charging cables are plenty long enough to reach to anywhere on your car, surprised you find that such a great feature. Just goes to show that things that seem like small quality of life improvements can affect customers in a big way! Great video
damn. in the past, driving is only defined by where steering wheel is placed & what side of the road per country drives; but now it will be also defined by what charging standard per country is using
As of June 2018, CHAdeMO allows up to 400 kW of charging (400A x 1kV) and aims for 900 kW as it is currently co-developing with China Electricity Council (CEC) the next-generation ultra-high-power charging standard with the working name of “ChaoJi.”
It would be faster than pumping one gallon into our little cars by then!
900 KW? i think that would be really good for like semi trucks. couple days ago i found out that in the country i live in semi truck drivers are mandated to take a 45 min break every something like 4.5hours and i calculated that they would need something like 800KW to charge the semi truck with enough range to drive the next 4.5hours while they are on that mandated break. so pretty sure 900 KW would work pretty well for this. :)
Excellent explanation and commentary. Thanks!
Very well explained, thanks man !
Perfect explanation, thanks!
Glad it helped!
Good info.
Nicely done, thank you.
Great explanation, keep it up!!
Good video. Doing a project for charging technologies and this helped.
Glad I could help!
This is like the old VHS vs. Betamax situation. I'm going to wait to see which standard wins before I buy an electric car.
We don't have anything but CCS in Europe now...
Thanks, very useful brief for a newbie.
The type two port is for 3 phase ac and the j1772 if for 1 phase ac
Very good overview
what type of charger does the toyota rav 4 prime use?
Found this looking to get more knowledge on ev charging since I'm getting a Zero motorcycle soon with its own super fast charging option of 12kw for its 14.4kwh battery. It will have the j1772 plug and I'm kinda just looking for compatability between stations and any adapters I may have to get or bring with me.
Thanks for watching!
Yep agree. Plan for future and have the best capable connector. I’ve got a customer with Tesla soon and Chevy that is asking about best recommended setup to charge the vehicles at home.
Got it in plain language, clearer on EV now.
The European CCS2 EV cars can be charged in two ways:
Either the Type 2 (Mennekes) connector in 50 HZ AC mode, using only the upper part of the connector, and connect it to the standardised and widely used Type 2 charging points.
Or the entire connector, with the newer standard, but much faster charging DC power though the lower DC power pinns.
The USA uses a Type 1 connector, with 60 HZ frequency, or the CCS1 with the two DC power pinns added to the lower part of the connector.
excellent, v well explained.
Thanks!
Thank you for your video.
But I have a question, I need a converter to convert a Chinese Plug to the European standard charger.(The car is a chinese model but the charger is a European model) is this possible?
European Type 2 mennekes and the chinese GB/T .
I am looking for a connection like this is it possible to find ?
Thank you.
You can try googling it and i do believe some companies manufacture that sort of adapter!
so what kind of EV plugs at the charging station used?
Good video. Please add some charts.
I'm in the process of getting an EV West Kit-built type 2 charging classic car that comes with Tesla batteries and J1772. I'm a tad bit confused about making adjustments to for CCS. Can I just make the J1772 fast charging compatible?
No, the j1772 isn’t capable of fast charging as you need 400V. J1772 doesn’t allow that. CCS is just a j1772 with two extra ports for fast charging that enables high charge rate! Type 1 is the same thing as j1772 and type 2 the connector used in Europe, allows for 400V 3 phase charging.
@@ElectricCarsAreLit you know of any conversions to add the DC extra ports?
The reason CCS is different in US and Europe is due to grid structure in US it is difficult to find residential 3 phase where in Europe it is common.
thank you sir
you say that charge is only up to 50 kW and 247 kW does it mean to depend on how big the battery is?
I am so pissed off with multiple charging standards.
Agreed!
Looks like it's going to converge on CCS, so it won't be a problem for much longer. Then EVs are really going to take off.
Our governments should have mandated a standard charger that all cars must use long before electric vehicles became "a thing".
So if I took my Canadian Tesla to Europe I would not be able to charge it because of the different plug?
Yup!
How can I charge my SUBARU SOLTERA IN A TESLA CHARGER? HELP PLEASE!!!!
Is there a adapter w Tesla or u can only go to Tesla chargers
You can buy adapters from Tesla.com or even other websites that sell them. Personally I’d trust Tesla themselves.
As long as J1772 stays around I’m fine because I use it to charge my PEV(s) when I’m traveling long distances.
You don’t really bring up the sexier, smaller form factor of the Tesla connector. I’m still trying to understand why the standard connectors are so much worse in that respect. What advantage does CCS have over the Tesla connector?
The only advantage is that it’s used by nearly every single car and other than some super chargers, every charger has the CCS plug. That’s just it!
I see. Well I guess it’s a shame the standard turned out to be so bulky and ugly. Your comparison to USB-C makes a lot of sense, except that USB-C is slim and looks elegant!
Thanks for your answer. :)
I think in my heart, I am rooting for the Tesla connector to take over as the new standard, but that does seem near impossible.
Yeah I’m pretty sure we’ll use CCS for a good while until something really good comes out, kinda like how USB A was used all the time and just now we’re starting to see everything use usb C. It’ll take time!
It's Tesla's own dumb fault for making it proprietary. It COULD have become the standard had they chosen to open it up properly.
Thanks for the video. You kept saying "the plug has 4 ports" which is confusing, believe the correct terminology is pins (not ports)
I think all gas stations should change the shape of the fuel nozzles so they only fit in square holes. :)
CCS would be a much better standard for the future. No need for so many different standards since it’ll make life harder. 🤷🏻♂️
Well Tesla will stick to their own, but yea the payment issue should really be fixed and it should become as easy plug in and forget it!
Charge ports should be in front like the nissan leaf.
Since that video was made, the Kia EV6 and Hyundai Ioniq 5 can charge at 350kW in Europe....
And in 2023, Tesla’s NACS is fast becoming the standard.
only in US & Canada
@@HSstudio.Ytchnnl Yes, but if you live in the US or Canada, your chances of driving your vehicle in another country are exceptionally slim. I'm happy to take NACS.
No true about 50kW, there are plenty of 100kW charging stations for ChaDeMo now. My Nissan Leaf SV Plus uses it, but max I have seen while charging is 76 kW.
Tesla said that they will add ccs to all of there superchargers in the future
Predictions in this video didn’t work out so well
Monday I am picking up a 2023, Ice Blue Metallic, Chevrolet Bolt 1lt. At MSRP plus military discount! I am trading in my 2021 Hyundai Ioniq Blue hybrid.
In Irvine CA, you see so many Teslas, it's actually kinda annoying and makes Tesla's un-unique.
I don’t really see what’s so great about having a charging port on both sides. It’s just extra wiring and expense when a slightly longer cord solves the problem.
It’s just one of those things that once you have, you feel like you “need” it but other than that its just a great convenience feature. On the top of my head the only real benefit would be if you have a very narrow garage and for some reason you can only plug it in on one side!
lucid motor?
Knew nothing about them at the time
It would be better if all electric car chargers are universal.
That’s the plan!
It cannot be, because the electric grids are very different.
Americans don’t use 3-phase system, thus their AC socket has one pin less. And CCS - as the name says - is a combination of the AC socket with 2 extra pins for DC.
I see no future of CHAdeMO.
this guy is so Canadian...it's hilarious
What can I say 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
kinda just amazingly confusing & complicated just to charge a car up, iv been on you-tube trying to get information to figure it all out for over 2 weeks now & iv come to the conclusion that practical ev cars are at least another 10 years away, they are kinda like a early 90s mobile phone right now.
You look Indian but your accent is western and good 😊
Why don't we just go with USB? /s
Chademo is 100kw. No if and or buts
meethi lassi😘😘
Why does he sound so confused
Stopped watching when you claimed CHAdeMO is outdated.
Actually CHAdeMO will replace ccs2 with some advancements
Tortola is slow teach adopter they will fail in the mkt if they continue their trend of slow adoption.
Universal charger should be required by law … your life depend on the vehicle and decision should not be left on the companies to chose type of charger
This didn't age well.
So don't buy a Tesla ?
1) Why AC chargers are not high rated?
2) is it possible to make AC chargers high rated? If yes, then how??
Please answer me