My new theory is that Dale did find Judy in that section at the end. He saved Laura, timeline changed, then he entered the 'force' of Judy with Diane. I think Judy was everything there, including Carrie - sign's of darkness are everywhere - Carrie's scream at the end signified Judy being destroyed after it realises that Dale has saved Laura. So I think he did kill two birds with one stone, although I am trying to put a positive spin on the end, lol!
If you look at the first scene of season 3 where the Fireman/Giant is talking to Cooper and put that scene as an event happening after the Finale ending I think your theory is somewhat valid. The Fireman says "It's in our house now". Which could refer to Judy being under their control. Cooper then asks "it is?", to confirm. The Fireman starts his reply with "Remember" and goes on to mention "430", which is connected to when Cooper and Diane crosses over into the new reality of the last episode. The Fireman then mentions "Richard and Linda", and this time Cooper can connect to the names, which he previously couldn't when he found the note in the motel. The following mention of "Two birds with one stone" could definitely be a separate thing from Richard and Linda and rather, as you mentioned, connected to Judy being under control and Laura being saved. In Sweden we have a similar saying to the "two birds" thing (two flies in one hit), and it's mostly said in an encouraging and positive way. Cooper now replies "I understand", confirming that he remembers. The Fireman ends the conversation with "you are far away", which again ties in with episode 18 feeling like it is almost outside the Twin Peaks universe. After that Cooper disappears with the same visual effect as when Laura Palmer's plastic wrapped body disappeared. I guess it makes some sense but I doubt we will ever know for sure. And I kind of like it that way.
The Vlog Lady : my (fried) brain is also heading in this direction. Did you stumble across this article? I'm not sure there's a way out, though! www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/
How's Annie Finally an article I can actually agree with. Not of the other articles or explanations I came across sat right with me. I got the gist of some of the smaller details. The sex scene being random and strangely dispassionate. I did get the feeling that Diane was probably remembering being raped by Mr. C and that's probably why she was crying even though it was consensual. Every other explanation insists Cooper failed but if he failed why did all the lights go out in the house when she screamed? I understood the smaller details but I still wasn't able to piece them together like that. It was a good ending just not a happy ending. Thankyou for sharing that. I was getting so frustrated. Even though you were talking to someone else. Sorry for butting in but thankyou!
Thanks Hows Annie I love that there are so many diverse theories out there but I really like the theory linked here on the waggish blog and I have also come to some of the same conclusions about the ending.
Diane does a sex magic ritual on Coop who she then leaves and he becomes Richard in a different timeline, as you see the car has moved and so has the rooms, at Laura's house he realises somethings wrong with the time line, when the lights go out in the house ("Electricity") the timeline may have changed again (the dream) and Judy is set to come back from the bar. The Fireman made the golden orb of Laura to counteract Judy, Laura reveals her inner soul and Judy hers, One possessed by Evil the other by good, Ying and Yang. Laura whispers to Coop "I Love you but cannot kill my own mother" and so the balance remains, Judy attacks the picture the glass breaks but she cannot harm the effigy of her own daughter Like a bad dream these events may go on forever. That's my take on the end. (I posted this on another thread)
So were Carrie and Richard / Laura & Coop going to kill Sarah when Alice opened the door instead of Sarah? It didn't seem that way. For all I know she might be saying "I love mac and cheese" to Cooper. JK. Interesting input. Thanks for your thoughts!
I think Coop's intention was to exorcise Laura's demons but he "slipped up". Mac and cheese lol. Also your point of the Car following, perhaps it was another Coop and Diane in another timeline, where we see two Diane's at the motel.
The only thing to come close to TP in fiction is "Life is Strange" the game, it has time travel and similar themes to TP and even references TP a few times, and it had a huge forums response to all the possibilities and outcomes, I enjoyed it as much as TP.
Many had strong feelings. I had mentally prepared myself for a finale. A 25 year odyssey coming to an end (and I have to admit, that prospect got me a little down). Then came part 18, and David Lynch threw us a curve ball, that many (including myself), did not see coming. Like others, I felt bewildered. While others may not think so, I believe this saga will continue. There are still pages missing from Laura Palmer's diary (among the MANY loose ends of Twin Peaks, including of course, Audrey's story arc). Thanks for some great insight Annie. Hopefully you will do a video on that dossier coming out in October.
I should have prepared better for the ending! I thought i did 🤔 I will do a video on the Final Dossier for sure! Thanks for your input and for watching!
Hey Annie, great video! I am still very much traumatized by it all in the best way. I know there has been some negative reaction and well all you can do is agree to disagree, I try not to dwell on it to much because this summer, this series has been an amazing gift! Now we get the pleasure in dissecting this amazing magnum opus of Lynch and Frost. I wanted to share my thoughts and feelings of what transpired in 17+18 and other moments in The Return and why this feels like a fitting end to me. Note: just my interpretation and sure it will change in so many ways. I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 hours stems from that very first scene with Cooper and the Fireman. When this takes place I am debating but at the moment I believe it happened as he was crossing through from Jeffries motel to the past. I only connect this with the fact how Cooper dissolved from The Fireman to how he appeared in the past in the woods. Also the Fireman said "it is in our house now." I am thoroughly convinced that Judy is in his house and perhaps The Palmer house and inside Sarah Palmer affecting her. I believe it is Judy he went through the box in New York killing Sam and Tracy. Mr. C is the head/billionaire running this project so he can bring Judy into the world. This is my best guess on that anyways. We see a lot of elements of Judy when Sarah removes her face in the bar from Part 14. I am also convinced that since Judy is an entity (not just one but an entity in general) that it was the frog moth that went into Sarah's mouth back in Part 8. I feel Judy operates on a lot of the same levels as Bob (Bob was birthed from Judy) and that sometimes Sarah is Sarah and other times Sarah is Judy, much like Leland. So when Cooper encounters Laura and takes her hand we hear a similar noise that we heard in the very first scene of The Return with The Fireman and Cooper. I believe this is the signal that Judy is near. Judy whisked Laura away and Cooper has returned to the waiting room. Though with Mr. C pretty much obliterated Cooper's shadow self has returned to him and with Dougie manufactured into the other world now that took a lot of Cooper's goodness, which now leaves this Cooper not necessarily full on evil like Mr. C, but the more determined and direct Cooper. We see him more confident walking around the lodge, being able to come and go as he pleases. "See you at the curtain call" is where he meets Diane and it is them but something is off, especially with Cooper. Now a while back in a few different interviews, Kyle did tease he would be playing 4 different characters. Remembering that struck a chord in my rewatch of Part 18. As Cooper and Diane cross into another world/dream/dimension whatever you want to call it they are transformed into Richard and Linda with the memories of Dale and Diane. This becomes more apparent in the motel scene. I believe it was Diane looking at herself as Linda in the car and the two of them understand what is going on. Perhaps Diane is far more removed from Linda than Cooper is from Richard. The sex they have really feels ritualistic, in a way, this is how they are fully transforming from Dale and Diane to Richard and Linda. We see the horror going through Diane/Linda through the experience. This is why Diane/Linda cannot stay with Cooper/Richard and he wakes up into this world alone. Jefferies did say that this is where he would find Judy by altering time and passing through electricity. I think Cooper's intention was to "find Laura" and bring her home and he did but there were consequences to his mission. We see Laura in this world with a different name much like Dale finds himself as "Richard" but is still convinced he is Dale. There are a lot of light subtleties in their journey in the car. Everything Laura/Carrie says reflects Laura and Cooper's silence reflects who he is now. A colder version, trapped within this version of himself. As far as his paranoia I think he is worried about what they will find at the Palmer house, still determined and somewhat sure that Sarah will be there. But he is in Judy's playground and realizes just how far gone he is in that last moment encountering the Tremonds/Chalfonts. He realizes that he is not in the right time and Laura/Carrie realizes who she is and even though she was spared from her murder they are both locked in a fate worse than death. This to me felt final. Sure there were many things left undone/unanswered in the other Twin Peaks and it is going to be fun going back rewatching this amazing 18 hour film. I believe a lot of the turmoil a lot of the new and old characters were facing had to do with an unbalance in the town. The door was open and Mr. C was wreaking havoc, there is definitely a lot more to this than meets our eyes. Cooper went back and tried to undo the wrong that happened to Laura Palmer and in doing so caused a disarray into the entire town which is somewhat evident in some of the inconsistencies that happen throughout The Return. Anyhow that is my way long interpretation just wanted to share it. I hope you still do Twin Peaks videos and revisit the series in it's whole with the original, FWWM and The Return. Also I would delve into Lynch's other work, he has so many interesting and powerful films that very much embody a lot of things about The Return :)
Sorry for my poor english, I'm french. And the task is even trickier with such narrative complexity. Not easy to explain well my thoughts and interpretations all around. :) I have a strange feeling regarding the Diane with red hair. As you mentioned Annie, her fingers nails are now black and white, with her hair color, it's like she embodies the Red Room (or Black Lodge) Anyway my trouble is here : at the end of part II, Evolution of the arm's doppelganger dropped Cooper into the Non-existent area. Then later, (after he got stuck in the glass box which purpose is to catch entities or beings tat coming from parallel universes ; that's what planned Mr C : catch Judy and it said to him in part II while impersonating Jeffries : " you missed me in New York, and soon I will be reunited with BOB..."), Naido forbidded Cooper to come out of the electric socket (with the inscription 15), they goto the roof, changes something and got electrocuted around 2:53pm (1st october, as we can noticed on American girl watch!) From there, we can supposed Naido/Diane will land at the Jack Rabbit's palace where Hawk, Bobby, Frank and Andy are supposed to rescue her as planned by Major Briggs! (when she fell into the abyss, her electrocution allowed her to get throught this other dimension, the Twin Peaks one) But here is the deal : the night Hawk shows his map to Frank, The Log Lady gives an urgent call to Hawk and warns him that there is fire when he's going... and she emphazises on that! (repeat it) "Fire" in Log lady's mind at that moment is that, the intent is not a good one.. (fire by nature isn't good or bad said Hawk); and I think something is not right with Diane's intention (Naido at that moment... that's where the gang were planning to going and once again The Log Lady showed us a case of synchronocity, her call was at the exact right moment). Back to part III : one important detail in my opinion is that, "The mother" tried to entered the room where Cooper, Naido and American girl were. And American girl (same actress who played Ronette) even said : "hurry, my mom is coming!" All seems to indicate that this place is not a good intented one. Based on the purple ocean, I long assumed it was related to the Fireman Place, but it doesn't seem so... And nevermind the name is "mother", I think it's Judy that kept trying to stop and catch Cooper after she failed and then killed Sam and Tracy in the process... I can't stop thing about the idea that maybe Naido is the magician who longs to see... and the fact that MIKE mentioned that poem again when Cooper access through that Great Northern door with the humming sound : Through the darkness of future past The magician longs to see One chants between two worlds Fire walk with me And what if Naido/Diane are somehow the magician, that recovers its sight (remember that the Mother/The Experiment/Judy, whatever we want to call it, it doesn't have eyes : check parts I and VIII) and then fool Cooper that gives it access to the world where Laura is hidden (possibly the plan of The Fireman was to protected Laura who became Carrie and forgot her past... possibly if she remembers anything that bring sorrow or pain, Judy could sense it and feed from it.... just a random guess). But now, possible that Cooper, trusting unconditionnally Diane, helped Judy to bring fire by entering this other dimension. Which could explain the big confusion of Cooper/Richard the day after their awkward sexual intercourse and why several sign of Judy seemed to surrounded Laura/Carrie later on. (Many people are convinced that the White horse could have multiple symbolism, but one is that it could be a physical manifestation of Judy's spirit) __________ I don't remind well the different appearrances of the White horse, but in this season : when Laura disappeared abruptly after whispering in Cooper's ear, not long after, the red drapes are moved like a big wing and what's appear behind the curtain : the white horse. It could be Judy,! Some people think it's mike who called Mr C during the second part. Indeed we know that the big mission of his, it's to stop his older partner (BOB) at any cost. But would MIKE use phone to get to him? and why this person or entity said to Mr C, you missed me in New York!? We learn later on that Mr C was definitely involved in what happened in New York and the glass box!. ____________ Judy keeping an eye on Laura/Carrie : the working place of Carrie is named Judy, with a white horse in the front of diner. Again a white horse at her place... and a dead guy hanging around, not to mention that she seems in big trouble. Even as Carrie, she still attracts sinister situations... Last but not least, the people who lives in the house that we know is the Palmer's one. The name of actual and older owner is the same of the old lady and her grandkid! (season 2 and TP: Fire Walk with me) They are Black Lodge spirits and they're the one who gave Laura the painting in FWWM! And what about that tapestry that can be seen in the convenient store's stair (or behind it)... anyway, it was already mentioned: it's obviously some kind of a entrance into the Palmer House and the Black Lodge inhabits their home since the beginning. All lead to conclude that the second bird that Cooper wanted to kill is the extraction of Judy from where all the sorrow and pain happened... however, I have the impression that Diane was possessed by Judy in a way to invade that universe created by Fireman as the safe place for Laura. It seems after the vanishing of Diane, they day after, time went on very fast, years and years happened... like Diane tried to disorient Cooper and make him fail (or at least try) his mission.... and make him lose time for sure.
Julien P. : I know for sure how tricky it is to focus on English grammar while talking about Twin Peaks! 😉 Good job though! Very interesting. I have many contradicting theories cooking in my brain which will result in some impossible melting pot meal. Doesn't that scene you mention with Naido begin with purple ocean and ends in space? I wish Hawk had a map for it too ;). I don't trust red Diane(s) completely although I'd like to, knowing how Cooper used to rely on her and trust her with all the details of his life. Part of me can't help but hope we get more clues in some future project, and yet I expect to be left hanging every season that could come! Merci!
One other thing before I forget : I found curious that Mr C could know that he was supposed to return to the Black Lodge that exact day. My guess is that he has some kind of psychic link with Coop (after all they share memories). I always considered the doppelganger an extension of the original person (Created from the shadow self of the person or entity). So, it could explain how Mr C could sense it and for the mysterious caller (which I think it's Judy as I mentioned), the logical way to see it is that Judy did everything she could to eject Cooper from the lodge (thanks the doppelganger of the evolved-arm which made him fall into the abyss) by scaring him . Cooper out, it'll mean BOB back to its mother. But it failed, then Judy got angry, possessed Sarah and tried to failed his big plan.
How's Annie Thanks 😊 quite a challenge this rerturn and finale! Boys and girls, our brain are like Tracy's and Sam's ! Lynch Isn't soft where it counts, indeed.... He blew our mind lol Joke aside. Right, it's the scene I meant, she's supposed to switch dimension in that fall and it matches the time and date. Coop get back inside and the American girl's watch indicated the date and hour that Briggs shared for bobby, hawk, etc. Despite the weird visual preceeding diane's face (which amplify that something seems off....), the moment when she appears by replacing Naido, there 's a sense of victory : like their plans have succeeded. I concluded that Mr C killed her after raping her, doing her tulpa in the convenience store and then during the 20 years and more spent in other dimension, coop and her reunited and obviously they elaborate some big plan because they're so determined in part 18 without mentioning what's at takes.. they had some agreed mission, that's for sure. Surely there was a big help from the Fireman and major Briggs. But let's hope that the final dossier of Mark Frost will give us some insights and good clues! Until then, there are so much theories to dig into and barely after a week since the end. Monday I was a mess, now I'm processing it better and amazed by it more and more. Let's hope with time there'll be a better consensus about it...... (Masterpiece 😄). Good day to you, Annie. ( I so wished Annie Blackburn will be mentioned or something 😭)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse I think we may have seen several universes, even just in the finale. In the entire season, who knows?! Multiverse theory suggests that there are an infinite number of universes or realities. If this is true then, with enough different realities, it makes sense that two given realities could be almost identical...perhaps in one reality, your name is Dale, while in another, your name is Richard. Other than, things seem pretty much the same. Maybe, you have bright red in this reality instead of white hair, but you still live the same life, and you still know Dale/Richard. On the other hand, in two other given realities, things are a lot different...you live in Texas, instead of Washington. Your name is Carrie, not Laura. You are alive, not dead. There is also a theory that universes/realities can sometimes seem to overlap, which could explain things like deja vu, or hearing somebody shout 'Laura!' from inside a house, when that person actually exists in another reality. Maybe you could even see yourself staring back at you for a few seconds! Just my thoughts...I do also think there are a lot of time issues at play here. That's been obvious for a while, and the infinity symbol that we saw in the finale suggests that events are replaying in a loop. Perhaps there are both multiple timelines and multiple realities...or maybe it's just about the idea of an infinite time loop, except that events play out slightly differently each time.
Yes, in re: the infinity loop. When Teapot Jeffries showed Cooper the infinity sign, which morphed from the glyph, I watched it very carefully. The rotating infinity sign and the dot on it, as Teapot Jeffries seemed to be feeling out or intuiting what was the right time/place for Cooper to be able to locate Judy. And... just a strange thought... we all think of Laura as someone pure who was tainted and compromised by "BOB", both trying to take her over and via the abuse at the hands of her father, who was possessed by "BOB"... but... what if... "Laura" was Judy? When Log Lady Margaret says "Laura is the one", why are we assuming that this is a good thing? I keep coming back to the fact that Cooper can't rest until he finds Laura... and I keep hearing Teapot Jeffries saying "Here is where you will find Judy," before the portal opens. I also keep remembering Laura trying to tell several people: "you don't know me, you don't know about me", and I always assumed that she was trying to hint at "BOB"'s presence and her abuse... But Cooper's confusion might be ~ maybe, maybe ~ some kind of sneaking suspicion that the evil force is really inside Laura and maybe THAT is what she is telling him, in the Lodge... and maybe the realization of that is why Laura screams at the end... I know I am meandering and rambling... But Laura and "BOB" both came out of "The Experiment"... "BOB"'s tendency to not give two shits about incest by having Leland repeatedly rape his daughter and "BOB" might be having some mystical Oedipal complex going on... Anyway... I have nooooo clue if any of this is accurate or even close.. but it would be very Lynchian to twist things around like that. When Cooper reverses Laura's death in Twin Peaks, everything seems to really go to hell... maybe he unwittingly undid something that was not meant to be undone? *sigh*
I binge-watched all 18 episodes over Xmas (in 3 days) and absolutely loved it. On par with Lynch's best work, and I'd say it's the most consistent and best series of Twin Peaks. I can tell it's gonna keep me psychologically occupied for many years to come. Was surprised to hear you say you've not seen all Lynch's films. Which ones haven't you seen?! :)
I need to watch Eraser Head and the Disney one still! Others I have seen ages ago and should rewatch anyways like InlandEmpire which I thought I hadn't seen but I actually did years ago and have a blurry and strange memory of it, and some others I have already rewatched since the summer like Blue Velvet, Mulholland Dr and Lost Highway. I always quite liked Lynch but I became an obsessed Twin Peaks fans with Season 3, though loved the old ones but this year it really blew my mind in uncanny ways. But I wasn't as intense as now. It really did a number on me, and now I must see all that Lynch ever did and read all that Frost ever wrote. But I'm taking my time because what else is there going to be after I'm done? ;)
I'd say Blue Velvet, Lost Highway and Mulholland Dr are my fave's, though i need to re watch a lot of his stuff and haven't seen the missing bits of Fire Walk With Me. Eraserhead is one I really need to be in the right mood for, it has a particularly odd and slow pace and is a lot less glamorous than say, Twin Peaks! It is very unique though.
Annie I think from start to finish the show was brilliant ! The ending was in keeping with Lynch. He wasn't leaving a happy ever after story for us. That's not Twin Peaks. He left a cosmic dilemma and an open door for season 4 . I for one would love to take another ride with them but wouldn't expect any happy endings. Great job with your videos !! I enjoyed your reactions. Be well
I'm totally with you! I don't expect them all eating cherry pie around the table and having a lively conversation. :) I'm just lost in space is all. What a ride!
I think if Andy had remembered the image of bad Coop when seeing him for the first time Bad Coop would have immediately blown him away. Even though Truman had the ultimate poker face he immediately knew the gig was up and tried to shoot him. So I think that memory was suppressed to protect Andy.
Also as an aesthetic exercise, and I know I'm not the first one to say or think this : but I think it is worth stating listening to the songs from The Roadhouse is quite Illuminating
I have no idea about what actually happened in the finale but just about every science fiction story I've ever read on the matter has conditioned me to believe that using time travel to alter the past is never a good idea. It's easy to say that you'd travel back in time and kill Hitler or save President Kennedy if you could but that could result in even worse things like Stalin conquering the world or a nuclear war that kills everybody. Even the Doctor has limits when it comes to that type of thing. Your videos about Twin Peaks have been amazing. Hope you keep making them and ones about other subjects.
I also wondered what Dale's intention was by bringing Carrie to the Palmer house. Even assuming he didn't know there was anything wrong with Sarah, it didn't seem like a particularly considerate thing to do. When you misspoke about him bringing her to see his parents, it made me awfully curious about Dale's origins and family life. I've never heard a word about it, does he have a mother or father somewhere wondering what happened to him?
My feeling that the White Lodge had planned this all seems to make sense, according to this super interesting interpretation of Season 3 : www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/
How's Annie wow! What an amazing interpretation! Makes a lot of sense and helps ease the feeling of dread that's stuck with me since I watched part 18. Thanks for the link!
thanks for your thoughts - as with any Lynch movie or work of art in general, there is never THE ONE interpretation, but a multitude of possibilities and each viewer/reader/listener has to make out which one fits for him. in any case, this was the best tv event ever and the best movie we are going to see for a long long time! here is another very plausible interpretation, which fits to the dreamlike and "unreal" events during the whole running time of "The Return", as well as to the director´s obsession with tibetan mysticism: ruclips.net/video/WmU6N8DSVag/видео.html
You know Annie, hearing you ask about the FWWM change...(isn't BOB still in Leland in 1989, Laura still abused etc) maybe Laura willfully left Coop rather than confront that... been assuming Judy snatched her so that may change things. *Keep the love ☺
My thoughts.. (sorry for my poor english). First of all , i have to say that i mostly am on board with these two theories. ozba.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/twin-peaks-audrey-billy-and-living-inside-a-dream/ and i.imgur.com/02dLvkF.png I think these two theories nicely complete each other, however...I'm still perplexed about a few things in particular. What happens to Cooper ? Let's say Laura wakes up back in 1989. Then what ? Is Cooper eternally stuck in the other dimension ? The final scene was imo very reminiscent of Nolan's Inception. This one in particular. ruclips.net/video/jpmdzHsC9-Y/видео.html [Embed] (i.e. The dream world collapses as soon as the dreamer is aware of the dream, that's what happens at the end of ep 18.. Laura hears her mother's voice calling her: "Laura!"...She then has a sudden realisation of what's happening , all her traumas come back to haunt her and everything suddenly turns to black.) I was also reminded of Donnie Darko. (i.e. Donnie abolishes an alternative timeline via time traveling...Ends up sacrificing himself to save his loved ones and manages to pull it off.. Cooper tries to save Laura, manages to change the timeline where Laura is killed, but ultimately fails to save her.) Or does he ? Is Laura condemned to repeat all her mistakes ? Will she remember any of it once she wakes up ? The reason why i'm not sure Cooper manages to "save the day" is because of the emphasis on the importance of the infinity symbol. They tried to re-write history , but it's futile because they're ultimately back to square one. It's a time loop... And though we do see Laura's corpse (wrapped in plastic ), vanishing...I get the feeling that this was just a temporary event... just like the moment when Coop is holding Laura's hand in the forest...Then she suddenly disappears...Seems like all his efforts led to nothing. That there's some kind of irreversible or innevitable power stoping him from accomplishing his mission and i'm not talking about Judy but "fate"... At least that's my interpretation of the very end of EP 18. Back to square one. Laura is still stuck with the same shitty parents , will she remember any of it ?... I'm also reminded of this "Lake Mungo" passage. Quote: "I feel like something bad is going to happen to me. I feel like something bad has happened. It hasn't reached me yet, but it's on its way." ruclips.net/video/HNUfmV-ExTQ/видео.html [Embed] Though Laura sees her future and may or may not be aware of it, her ultimate fate is to die in a similar fashion... That's how i felt. it's a time loop. I'm also reminded of this passage from True Detective. "Everything we’ve ever done, or will do, we’re gonna do over and over and over again. And that little boy and that little girl, they’re gonna be in that room again. And again. And again. Forever." ruclips.net/video/0mhZBLUyybo/видео.html [Embed] That's the final impression Ep 18 left me. ")
Great insight. I'll have to check out all these links. I'm wondering right now: did the Jumping Man mess up the Richard / Linda storyline with his slingshot (we see him holding it in The Missing Pieces) right before Cooper and Mike got to Kettle-Jeffries? Probably not, but my mind wanders. Even if it's just a big infinite loop, that means there are even more possibilities at once. Thanks for the thoughts!
about your comment about the shinny hairpiece of EvilCoop.. My God this such a sexist comment! Sheez! We're in 2017! Man can wear anything they want without being taken has a feminin attribut or whatever.... !!!
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My new theory is that Dale did find Judy in that section at the end. He saved Laura, timeline changed, then he entered the 'force' of Judy with Diane. I think Judy was everything there, including Carrie - sign's of darkness are everywhere - Carrie's scream at the end signified Judy being destroyed after it realises that Dale has saved Laura. So I think he did kill two birds with one stone, although I am trying to put a positive spin on the end, lol!
If you look at the first scene of season 3 where the Fireman/Giant is talking to Cooper and put that scene as an event happening after the Finale ending I think your theory is somewhat valid.
The Fireman says "It's in our house now". Which could refer to Judy being under their control.
Cooper then asks "it is?", to confirm.
The Fireman starts his reply with "Remember" and goes on to mention "430", which is connected to when Cooper and Diane crosses over into the new reality of the last episode. The Fireman then mentions "Richard and Linda", and this time Cooper can connect to the names, which he previously couldn't when he found the note in the motel.
The following mention of "Two birds with one stone" could definitely be a separate thing from Richard and Linda and rather, as you mentioned, connected to Judy being under control and Laura being saved. In Sweden we have a similar saying to the "two birds" thing (two flies in one hit), and it's mostly said in an encouraging and positive way.
Cooper now replies "I understand", confirming that he remembers.
The Fireman ends the conversation with "you are far away", which again ties in with episode 18 feeling like it is almost outside the Twin Peaks universe.
After that Cooper disappears with the same visual effect as when Laura Palmer's plastic wrapped body disappeared.
I guess it makes some sense but I doubt we will ever know for sure. And I kind of like it that way.
The Vlog Lady : my (fried) brain is also heading in this direction. Did you stumble across this article? I'm not sure there's a way out, though! www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/
How's Annie Finally an article I can actually agree with. Not of the other articles or explanations I came across sat right with me. I got the gist of some of the smaller details. The sex scene being random and strangely dispassionate. I did get the feeling that Diane was probably remembering being raped by Mr. C and that's probably why she was crying even though it was consensual. Every other explanation insists Cooper failed but if he failed why did all the lights go out in the house when she screamed? I understood the smaller details but I still wasn't able to piece them together like that. It was a good ending just not a happy ending. Thankyou for sharing that. I was getting so frustrated. Even though you were talking to someone else. Sorry for butting in but thankyou!
Thanks Hows Annie I love that there are so many diverse theories out there but I really like the theory linked here on the waggish blog and I have also come to some of the same conclusions about the ending.
Diane does a sex magic ritual on Coop who she then leaves and he becomes Richard in a different timeline, as you see the car has moved and so has the rooms, at Laura's house he realises somethings wrong with the time line, when the lights go out in the house ("Electricity") the timeline may have changed again (the dream) and Judy is set to come back from the bar.
The Fireman made the golden orb of Laura to counteract Judy, Laura reveals her inner soul and Judy hers, One possessed by Evil the other by good, Ying and Yang.
Laura whispers to Coop "I Love you but cannot kill my own mother" and so the balance remains, Judy attacks the picture the glass breaks but she cannot harm the effigy of her own daughter Like a bad dream these events may go on forever.
That's my take on the end. (I posted this on another thread)
So were Carrie and Richard / Laura & Coop going to kill Sarah when Alice opened the door instead of Sarah? It didn't seem that way. For all I know she might be saying "I love mac and cheese" to Cooper. JK. Interesting input. Thanks for your thoughts!
I think Coop's intention was to exorcise Laura's demons but he "slipped up". Mac and cheese lol.
Also your point of the Car following, perhaps it was another Coop and Diane in another timeline, where we see two Diane's at the motel.
The only thing to come close to TP in fiction is "Life is Strange" the game, it has time travel and similar themes to TP and even references TP a few times, and it had a huge forums response to all the possibilities and outcomes, I enjoyed it as much as TP.
They are definitly fans of Twin Peaks.
You can read "Fire Walk With Me" in "Life is Strange" on a mirror.
Yes and on the truck number plate, and in the new "Before the storm" the punk band in the opening scene are called "Fire walk"
Many had strong feelings. I had mentally prepared myself for a finale. A 25 year odyssey coming to an end (and I have to admit, that prospect got me a little down).
Then came part 18, and David Lynch threw us a curve ball, that many (including myself), did not see coming. Like others, I felt bewildered.
While others may not think so, I believe this saga will continue. There are still pages missing from Laura Palmer's diary (among the MANY loose ends of Twin Peaks, including of course, Audrey's story arc).
Thanks for some great insight Annie. Hopefully you will do a video on that dossier coming out in October.
I should have prepared better for the ending! I thought i did 🤔 I will do a video on the Final Dossier for sure! Thanks for your input and for watching!
Hey Annie, great video! I am still very much traumatized by it all in the best way. I know there has been some negative reaction and well all you can do is agree to disagree, I try not to dwell on it to much because this summer, this series has been an amazing gift! Now we get the pleasure in dissecting this amazing magnum opus of Lynch and Frost. I wanted to share my thoughts and feelings of what transpired in 17+18 and other moments in The Return and why this feels like a fitting end to me. Note: just my interpretation and sure it will change in so many ways. I think a lot of what happens in the final 2 hours stems from that very first scene with Cooper and the Fireman. When this takes place I am debating but at the moment I believe it happened as he was crossing through from Jeffries motel to the past. I only connect this with the fact how Cooper dissolved from The Fireman to how he appeared in the past in the woods. Also the Fireman said "it is in our house now." I am thoroughly convinced that Judy is in his house and perhaps The Palmer house and inside Sarah Palmer affecting her. I believe it is Judy he went through the box in New York killing Sam and Tracy. Mr. C is the head/billionaire running this project so he can bring Judy into the world. This is my best guess on that anyways. We see a lot of elements of Judy when Sarah removes her face in the bar from Part 14. I am also convinced that since Judy is an entity (not just one but an entity in general) that it was the frog moth that went into Sarah's mouth back in Part 8. I feel Judy operates on a lot of the same levels as Bob (Bob was birthed from Judy) and that sometimes Sarah is Sarah and other times Sarah is Judy, much like Leland. So when Cooper encounters Laura and takes her hand we hear a similar noise that we heard in the very first scene of The Return with The Fireman and Cooper. I believe this is the signal that Judy is near. Judy whisked Laura away and Cooper has returned to the waiting room. Though with Mr. C pretty much obliterated Cooper's shadow self has returned to him and with Dougie manufactured into the other world now that took a lot of Cooper's goodness, which now leaves this Cooper not necessarily full on evil like Mr. C, but the more determined and direct Cooper. We see him more confident walking around the lodge, being able to come and go as he pleases. "See you at the curtain call" is where he meets Diane and it is them but something is off, especially with Cooper. Now a while back in a few different interviews, Kyle did tease he would be playing 4 different characters. Remembering that struck a chord in my rewatch of Part 18. As Cooper and Diane cross into another world/dream/dimension whatever you want to call it they are transformed into Richard and Linda with the memories of Dale and Diane. This becomes more apparent in the motel scene. I believe it was Diane looking at herself as Linda in the car and the two of them understand what is going on. Perhaps Diane is far more removed from Linda than Cooper is from Richard. The sex they have really feels ritualistic, in a way, this is how they are fully transforming from Dale and Diane to Richard and Linda. We see the horror going through Diane/Linda through the experience. This is why Diane/Linda cannot stay with Cooper/Richard and he wakes up into this world alone. Jefferies did say that this is where he would find Judy by altering time and passing through electricity. I think Cooper's intention was to "find Laura" and bring her home and he did but there were consequences to his mission. We see Laura in this world with a different name much like Dale finds himself as "Richard" but is still convinced he is Dale. There are a lot of light subtleties in their journey in the car. Everything Laura/Carrie says reflects Laura and Cooper's silence reflects who he is now. A colder version, trapped within this version of himself. As far as his paranoia I think he is worried about what they will find at the Palmer house, still determined and somewhat sure that Sarah will be there. But he is in Judy's playground and realizes just how far gone he is in that last moment encountering the Tremonds/Chalfonts. He realizes that he is not in the right time and Laura/Carrie realizes who she is and even though she was spared from her murder they are both locked in a fate worse than death. This to me felt final. Sure there were many things left undone/unanswered in the other Twin Peaks and it is going to be fun going back rewatching this amazing 18 hour film. I believe a lot of the turmoil a lot of the new and old characters were facing had to do with an unbalance in the town. The door was open and Mr. C was wreaking havoc, there is definitely a lot more to this than meets our eyes. Cooper went back and tried to undo the wrong that happened to Laura Palmer and in doing so caused a disarray into the entire town which is somewhat evident in some of the inconsistencies that happen throughout The Return. Anyhow that is my way long interpretation just wanted to share it. I hope you still do Twin Peaks videos and revisit the series in it's whole with the original, FWWM and The Return. Also I would delve into Lynch's other work, he has so many interesting and powerful films that very much embody a lot of things about The Return :)
George Ray you're ready for your own Final Dossier! Interesting thoughts bro! 🙃
Thanks! I cannot wait for the final dossier to be released as I've just finished the secret history, finally!
Sorry for my poor english, I'm french. And the task is even trickier with such narrative complexity. Not easy to explain well my thoughts and interpretations all around. :)
I have a strange feeling regarding the Diane with red hair. As you mentioned Annie, her fingers nails are now black and white, with her hair color, it's like she embodies the Red Room (or Black Lodge)
Anyway my trouble is here : at the end of part II, Evolution of the arm's doppelganger dropped Cooper into the Non-existent area.
Then later, (after he got stuck in the glass box which purpose is to catch entities or beings tat coming from parallel universes ; that's what planned Mr C : catch Judy and it said to him in part II while impersonating Jeffries : " you missed me in New York, and soon I will be reunited with BOB..."), Naido forbidded Cooper to come out of the electric socket (with the inscription 15), they goto the roof, changes something and got electrocuted around 2:53pm (1st october, as we can noticed on American girl watch!)
From there, we can supposed Naido/Diane will land at the Jack Rabbit's palace where Hawk, Bobby, Frank and Andy are supposed to rescue her as planned by Major Briggs! (when she fell into the abyss, her electrocution allowed her to get throught this other dimension, the Twin Peaks one)
But here is the deal : the night Hawk shows his map to Frank, The Log Lady gives an urgent call to Hawk and warns him that there is fire when he's going... and she emphazises on that! (repeat it)
"Fire" in Log lady's mind at that moment is that, the intent is not a good one.. (fire by nature isn't good or bad said Hawk); and I think something is not right with Diane's intention (Naido at that moment... that's where the gang were planning to going and once again The Log Lady showed us a case of synchronocity, her call was at the exact right moment).
Back to part III : one important detail in my opinion is that, "The mother" tried to entered the room where Cooper, Naido and American girl were. And American girl (same actress who played Ronette) even said : "hurry, my mom is coming!"
All seems to indicate that this place is not a good intented one. Based on the purple ocean, I long assumed it was related to the Fireman Place, but it doesn't seem so...
And nevermind the name is "mother", I think it's Judy that kept trying to stop and catch Cooper after she failed and then killed Sam and Tracy in the process...
I can't stop thing about the idea that maybe Naido is the magician who longs to see... and the fact that MIKE mentioned that poem again when Cooper access through that Great Northern door with the humming sound :
Through the darkness of future past
The magician longs to see
One chants between two worlds
Fire walk with me
And what if Naido/Diane are somehow the magician, that recovers its sight (remember that the Mother/The Experiment/Judy, whatever we want to call it, it doesn't have eyes : check parts I and VIII) and then fool Cooper that gives it access to the world where Laura is hidden (possibly the plan of The Fireman was to protected Laura who became Carrie and forgot her past... possibly if she remembers anything that bring sorrow or pain, Judy could sense it and feed from it.... just a random guess).
But now, possible that Cooper, trusting unconditionnally Diane, helped Judy to bring fire by entering this other dimension.
Which could explain the big confusion of Cooper/Richard the day after their awkward sexual intercourse and why several sign of Judy seemed to surrounded Laura/Carrie later on. (Many people are convinced that the White horse could have multiple symbolism, but one is that it could be a physical manifestation of Judy's spirit)
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I don't remind well the different appearrances of the White horse, but in this season : when Laura disappeared abruptly after whispering in Cooper's ear, not long after, the red drapes are moved like a big wing and what's appear behind the curtain : the white horse.
It could be Judy,!
Some people think it's mike who called Mr C during the second part. Indeed we know that the big mission of his, it's to stop his older partner (BOB) at any cost. But would MIKE use phone to get to him? and why this person or entity said to Mr C, you missed me in New York!? We learn later on that Mr C was definitely involved in what happened in New York and the glass box!.
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Judy keeping an eye on Laura/Carrie :
the working place of Carrie is named Judy, with a white horse in the front of diner.
Again a white horse at her place... and a dead guy hanging around, not to mention that she seems in big trouble. Even as Carrie, she still attracts sinister situations...
Last but not least, the people who lives in the house that we know is the Palmer's one.
The name of actual and older owner is the same of the old lady and her grandkid! (season 2 and TP: Fire Walk with me) They are Black Lodge spirits and they're the one who gave Laura the painting in FWWM!
And what about that tapestry that can be seen in the convenient store's stair (or behind it)... anyway, it was already mentioned: it's obviously some kind of a entrance into the Palmer House and the Black Lodge inhabits their home since the beginning.
All lead to conclude that the second bird that Cooper wanted to kill is the extraction of Judy from where all the sorrow and pain happened... however, I have the impression that Diane was possessed by Judy in a way to invade that universe created by Fireman as the safe place for Laura.
It seems after the vanishing of Diane, they day after, time went on very fast, years and years happened... like Diane tried to disorient Cooper and make him fail (or at least try) his mission.... and make him lose time for sure.
Julien P. : I know for sure how tricky it is to focus on English grammar while talking about Twin Peaks! 😉 Good job though! Very interesting. I have many contradicting theories cooking in my brain which will result in some impossible melting pot meal. Doesn't that scene you mention with Naido begin with purple ocean and ends in space? I wish Hawk had a map for it too ;). I don't trust red Diane(s) completely although I'd like to, knowing how Cooper used to rely on her and trust her with all the details of his life. Part of me can't help but hope we get more clues in some future project, and yet I expect to be left hanging every season that could come! Merci!
One other thing before I forget : I found curious that Mr C could know that he was supposed to return to the Black Lodge that exact day. My guess is that he has some kind of psychic link with Coop (after all they share memories). I always considered the doppelganger an extension of the original person (Created from the shadow self of the person or entity).
So, it could explain how Mr C could sense it and for the mysterious caller (which I think it's Judy as I mentioned), the logical way to see it is that Judy did everything she could to eject Cooper from the lodge (thanks the doppelganger of the evolved-arm which made him fall into the abyss) by scaring him . Cooper out, it'll mean BOB back to its mother. But it failed, then Judy got angry, possessed Sarah and tried to failed his big plan.
How's Annie Thanks 😊 quite a challenge this rerturn and finale! Boys and girls, our brain are like Tracy's and Sam's ! Lynch Isn't soft where it counts, indeed.... He blew our mind lol
Joke aside. Right, it's the scene I meant, she's supposed to switch dimension in that fall and it matches the time and date. Coop get back inside and the American girl's watch indicated the date and hour that Briggs shared for bobby, hawk, etc.
Despite the weird visual preceeding diane's face (which amplify that something seems off....), the moment when she appears by replacing Naido, there 's a sense of victory : like their plans have succeeded.
I concluded that Mr C killed her after raping her, doing her tulpa in the convenience store and then during the 20 years and more spent in other dimension, coop and her reunited and obviously they elaborate some big plan because they're so determined in part 18 without mentioning what's at takes.. they had some agreed mission, that's for sure. Surely there was a big help from the Fireman and major Briggs.
But let's hope that the final dossier of Mark Frost will give us some insights and good clues!
Until then, there are so much theories to dig into and barely after a week since the end. Monday I was a mess, now I'm processing it better and amazed by it more and more. Let's hope with time there'll be a better consensus about it...... (Masterpiece 😄). Good day to you, Annie.
( I so wished Annie Blackburn will be mentioned or something 😭)
Hope is all we got!
Well. And some despair too. He he.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse
I think we may have seen several universes, even just in the finale. In the entire season, who knows?!
Multiverse theory suggests that there are an infinite number of universes or realities. If this is true then, with enough different realities, it makes sense that two given realities could be almost identical...perhaps in one reality, your name is Dale, while in another, your name is Richard. Other than, things seem pretty much the same. Maybe, you have bright red in this reality instead of white hair, but you still live the same life, and you still know Dale/Richard. On the other hand, in two other given realities, things are a lot different...you live in Texas, instead of Washington. Your name is Carrie, not Laura. You are alive, not dead. There is also a theory that universes/realities can sometimes seem to overlap, which could explain things like deja vu, or hearing somebody shout 'Laura!' from inside a house, when that person actually exists in another reality. Maybe you could even see yourself staring back at you for a few seconds!
Just my thoughts...I do also think there are a lot of time issues at play here. That's been obvious for a while, and the infinity symbol that we saw in the finale suggests that events are replaying in a loop. Perhaps there are both multiple timelines and multiple realities...or maybe it's just about the idea of an infinite time loop, except that events play out slightly differently each time.
Yes, in re: the infinity loop. When Teapot Jeffries showed Cooper the infinity sign, which morphed from the glyph, I watched it very carefully. The rotating infinity sign and the dot on it, as Teapot Jeffries seemed to be feeling out or intuiting what was the right time/place for Cooper to be able to locate Judy.
And... just a strange thought... we all think of Laura as someone pure who was tainted and compromised by "BOB", both trying to take her over and via the abuse at the hands of her father, who was possessed by "BOB"... but... what if... "Laura" was Judy? When Log Lady Margaret says "Laura is the one", why are we assuming that this is a good thing? I keep coming back to the fact that Cooper can't rest until he finds Laura... and I keep hearing Teapot Jeffries saying "Here is where you will find Judy," before the portal opens. I also keep remembering Laura trying to tell several people: "you don't know me, you don't know about me", and I always assumed that she was trying to hint at "BOB"'s presence and her abuse... But Cooper's confusion might be ~ maybe, maybe ~ some kind of sneaking suspicion that the evil force is really inside Laura and maybe THAT is what she is telling him, in the Lodge... and maybe the realization of that is why Laura screams at the end... I know I am meandering and rambling... But Laura and "BOB" both came out of "The Experiment"... "BOB"'s tendency to not give two shits about incest by having Leland repeatedly rape his daughter and "BOB" might be having some mystical Oedipal complex going on... Anyway... I have nooooo clue if any of this is accurate or even close.. but it would be very Lynchian to twist things around like that. When Cooper reverses Laura's death in Twin Peaks, everything seems to really go to hell... maybe he unwittingly undid something that was not meant to be undone?
*sigh*
I binge-watched all 18 episodes over Xmas (in 3 days) and absolutely loved it. On par with Lynch's best work, and I'd say it's the most consistent and best series of Twin Peaks. I can tell it's gonna keep me psychologically occupied for many years to come. Was surprised to hear you say you've not seen all Lynch's films. Which ones haven't you seen?! :)
I need to watch Eraser Head and the Disney one still! Others I have seen ages ago and should rewatch anyways like InlandEmpire which I thought I hadn't seen but I actually did years ago and have a blurry and strange memory of it, and some others I have already rewatched since the summer like Blue Velvet, Mulholland Dr and Lost Highway. I always quite liked Lynch but I became an obsessed Twin Peaks fans with Season 3, though loved the old ones but this year it really blew my mind in uncanny ways. But I wasn't as intense as now. It really did a number on me, and now I must see all that Lynch ever did and read all that Frost ever wrote. But I'm taking my time because what else is there going to be after I'm done? ;)
I'd say Blue Velvet, Lost Highway and Mulholland Dr are my fave's, though i need to re watch a lot of his stuff and haven't seen the missing bits of Fire Walk With Me. Eraserhead is one I really need to be in the right mood for, it has a particularly odd and slow pace and is a lot less glamorous than say, Twin Peaks! It is very unique though.
Annie I think from start to finish the show was brilliant ! The ending was in keeping with Lynch. He wasn't leaving a happy ever after story for us. That's not Twin Peaks. He left a cosmic dilemma and an open door for season 4 . I for one would love to take another ride with them but wouldn't expect any happy endings. Great job with your videos !! I enjoyed your reactions. Be well
I'm totally with you! I don't expect them all eating cherry pie around the table and having a lively conversation. :) I'm just lost in space is all. What a ride!
I believe when the fireman said "It's in our house now", he had Judy in the cage and then sent it to the Palmer house to inhabit Sarah Palmer.
"We live inside a dream" Phillipp Jeffries said that in Fire Walk With Me. It sounds like a pitched down Mr C / Cooper voice in part 17.
THANK YOU! You're right. Yeah, the voice was...most intriguing.
I think if Andy had remembered the image of bad Coop when seeing him for the first time Bad Coop would have immediately blown him away. Even though Truman had the ultimate poker face he immediately knew the gig was up and tried to shoot him. So I think that memory was suppressed to protect Andy.
Agreed!
Also as an aesthetic exercise, and I know I'm not the first one to say or think this : but I think it is worth stating listening to the songs from The Roadhouse is quite Illuminating
I've loved the music performances this season!
Jumping Man was TICKED OFF in the finale. Perhaps he knew some timeline chaos had just been undone.
Bill Sornson He's never been cool!
I have no idea about what actually happened in the finale but just about every science fiction story I've ever read on the matter has conditioned me to believe that using time travel to alter the past is never a good idea. It's easy to say that you'd travel back in time and kill Hitler or save President Kennedy if you could but that could result in even worse things like Stalin conquering the world or a nuclear war that kills everybody. Even the Doctor has limits when it comes to that type of thing.
Your videos about Twin Peaks have been amazing. Hope you keep making them and ones about other subjects.
Thank you! Yes didn't we learn that lesson as kids with Back to the Future?
the born of"gray cooper"
50 Shades of Coop!
I also wondered what Dale's intention was by bringing Carrie to the Palmer house. Even assuming he didn't know there was anything wrong with Sarah, it didn't seem like a particularly considerate thing to do.
When you misspoke about him bringing her to see his parents, it made me awfully curious about Dale's origins and family life. I've never heard a word about it, does he have a mother or father somewhere wondering what happened to him?
I so want to know what Laura whispers to him in the Red Room. The White Lodge should work on improving their communication ressources and skills. ;)
My feeling that the White Lodge had planned this all seems to make sense, according to this super interesting interpretation of Season 3 : www.waggish.org/2017/twin-peaks-finale/
How's Annie wow! What an amazing interpretation! Makes a lot of sense and helps ease the feeling of dread that's stuck with me since I watched part 18. Thanks for the link!
thanks for your thoughts - as with any Lynch movie or work of art in general, there is never THE ONE interpretation, but a multitude of possibilities and each viewer/reader/listener has to make out which one fits for him. in any case, this was the best tv event ever and the best movie we are going to see for a long long time!
here is another very plausible interpretation, which fits to the dreamlike and "unreal" events during the whole running time of "The Return", as well as to the director´s obsession with tibetan mysticism:
ruclips.net/video/WmU6N8DSVag/видео.html
You know Annie, hearing you ask about the FWWM change...(isn't BOB still in Leland in 1989, Laura still abused etc) maybe Laura willfully left Coop rather than confront that... been assuming Judy snatched her so that may change things. *Keep the love ☺
We presume Judy is taking her away when she disappears in the woods, but what if it was the White Lodge people removing her? Thanks for that!
I read somewhere that Mr. C's hairpin belonged to one of the girls Bob killed (maybe even Laura).
WOAH! Now that would make more sense than just a random fashion move. Cheers for the input!
People thought it was Dale's FBI pin, but close shot showed it was more a sparkly thing.
Chalfont 😊
Thank you :)
He would have found Judy at Palmer house *IF* he hadn't saved Laura. Or not :)
My thoughts..
(sorry for my poor english).
First of all , i have to say that i mostly am on board with these two theories.
ozba.wordpress.com/2017/08/31/twin-peaks-audrey-billy-and-living-inside-a-dream/
and
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I think these two theories nicely complete each other, however...I'm still perplexed about a few things in particular.
What happens to Cooper ? Let's say Laura wakes up back in 1989. Then what ? Is Cooper eternally stuck in the other dimension ? The final scene was imo very reminiscent of Nolan's Inception.
This one in particular. ruclips.net/video/jpmdzHsC9-Y/видео.html [Embed]
(i.e. The dream world collapses as soon as the dreamer is aware of the dream, that's what happens at the end of ep 18.. Laura hears her mother's voice calling her: "Laura!"...She then has a sudden realisation of what's happening , all her traumas come back to haunt her and everything suddenly turns to black.)
I was also reminded of Donnie Darko. (i.e. Donnie abolishes an alternative timeline via time traveling...Ends up sacrificing himself to save his loved ones and manages to pull it off.. Cooper tries to save Laura, manages to change the timeline where Laura is killed, but ultimately fails to save her.)
Or does he ? Is Laura condemned to repeat all her mistakes ? Will she remember any of it once she wakes up ? The reason why i'm not sure Cooper manages to "save the day" is because of the emphasis on the importance of the infinity symbol. They tried to re-write history , but it's futile because they're ultimately back to square one. It's a time loop...
And though we do see Laura's corpse (wrapped in plastic ), vanishing...I get the feeling that this was just a temporary event...
just like the moment when Coop is holding Laura's hand in the forest...Then she suddenly disappears...Seems like all his efforts led to nothing. That there's some kind of irreversible or innevitable power stoping him from accomplishing his mission and i'm not talking about Judy but "fate"...
At least that's my interpretation of the very end of EP 18. Back to square one. Laura is still stuck with the same shitty parents , will she remember any of it ?...
I'm also reminded of this "Lake Mungo" passage.
Quote: "I feel like something bad is going to happen to me. I feel like something bad has happened. It hasn't reached me yet, but it's on its way." ruclips.net/video/HNUfmV-ExTQ/видео.html [Embed]
Though Laura sees her future and may or may not be aware of it, her ultimate fate is to die in a similar fashion... That's how i felt. it's a time loop.
I'm also reminded of this passage from True Detective. "Everything we’ve ever done, or will do, we’re gonna do over and over and over again. And that little boy and that little girl, they’re gonna be in that room again. And again. And again. Forever." ruclips.net/video/0mhZBLUyybo/видео.html [Embed]
That's the final impression Ep 18 left me. ")
Great insight. I'll have to check out all these links. I'm wondering right now: did the Jumping Man mess up the Richard / Linda storyline with his slingshot (we see him holding it in The Missing Pieces) right before Cooper and Mike got to Kettle-Jeffries? Probably not, but my mind wanders. Even if it's just a big infinite loop, that means there are even more possibilities at once. Thanks for the thoughts!
Amalgamated Coop?
about your comment about the shinny hairpiece of EvilCoop.. My God this such a sexist comment! Sheez! We're in 2017! Man can wear anything they want without being taken has a feminin attribut or whatever.... !!!
Yan S. Well he sure can, but it's pretty out of character for him to wear the Heart of the Ocean he stole from Rose in Titanic! Just sayin'!