I KNEW IT! | Sumeru Archon Interlude Reaction and Thoughts | Genshin Impact 3.3
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- Опубликовано: 9 дек 2022
- My reaction to the Sumeru Archon Interlude quest from Genshin Impact
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Another great video Lorie!
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Thank you, Patrick!!! You killed it in this quest! 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Haii patrick
@@indrasufriadi620 👋🏾😊
@PlatinumSpaghetti 😊😊😊😊
After only seeing morally grey villains like Childe and Scaramouche, I'm pretty happy that Dottore's an irredeemable villain that everyone agrees on his morality
Nah not me. I love Dottore’s character
@@krazak2863 I think it’s totally okay to still love him! There’s nothing wrong with that. People should really stop judging a person by the characters they appreciate. Dottore is an incredibly well written villain.
Not me tho
@@LorieMegistus true, after all he's really just fictional so no big deal on that
@@LorieMegistus i do hate him with the bottom of my heart
But i agree that he's well written and absolutely pure-villain LOL
that "are you trying to brainwash me?" line is a mistranslation and i have NO idea why they did that. In CN and JP she asks "are you trying to invade my consciousness again?"
yikes! good to know!
Find my sibling? My new goal is help Scara get his revenge
Literally me rn
I don’t hate Scaramouche for killing people. Having characters that do bad things makes them more interesting, there’s a lot more depth that they can tread as characters. For most players, he was introduced in Inazuma but for us who met him back in 1.1, we got to meet him on better terms and get to appreciate his growth a lot more
I love your Akechi pfp too! He was one of my favorites
of course an akechi pfp says "characters that do bad things are more interesting" (fyi, i literally named my wanderer akechi)
And this is how you spot a serial killer in the making
I think the writers did a good job about this redemption arc. It's not about asking or earning forgiveness from others, Wanderer realized the consequences of his own sins and mistakes, and was willing to pay for them if necessary. He understood that "erasing" himself didn't bring him any closure that he wanted.
I like to think that he went through his own cycle of Samsara. Similar how Nahida accepted Rukkhadevata as her previous self. Loved those parallels, showing how similar those two are.
not rly ... they turned interesting borderline evil anti-hero into rather boring good guy who did everything just as result of being abused entire life
@@alanea5860 If that how you see it, then you didn't pay attention.
@@alanea5860 Eh.. no? He's gonna try to be better but he's still not what I'd call a good guy. He has a long way to atonement for his actions, even if he was manipulated. I think its good that he's owning up to his errors tho even when he could have made a clean break
@@alanea5860 bro, he literally says that he'll never be a good guy wtf 🤣
@@alanea5860 the wanderer literally mocked us for being the good guys at the end of the quest 😑 how is he a boring good guy? You don't really read much of the quest dialogue do you
At the end of the day people are free to like or dislike whoever they choose. But no one should be giving shit to another person for their choice on what character they like. The fact that you had to deal with people like that just sounds awful. You shouldn't have to earn other people's blessing or approval just to like scara. Just keep representing the scaranation the way you've always been doing!
Thank you 💕💕💕
Scarafans , UNITE!
For sure, it's pretty weird to dislike someone because of their choice of favourite character
There's a difference between liking someone and acting like that person isn't a piece of sht and excusing them from all the sht they have done.
If you like a villain like scaramouche just own to it and say "yes he is a piece of sht that doesn't deserve any forgiveness but i still like him" and there wont be any problem
@@UryuCifer no one here is excusing the bad things he’s done though. And he does have his good points on top of those things he did. You can decide whether he derserves forgiveness for yourself and that’s totally valid! But you don’t get to make said decision for other people. But if it makes you feel better you can take it as yes we’re essentially saying that we like him even if he’s a little shit. So no problem yeah?
Honestly I didn't imagined how badly the Fatui treated him... I was rereading his artifact lore and there is a moment where he imitate a phrase Dottore said , its was clear from the beggining that Dottore was a bad influence in his life.
It’s been something that’s really been in the works for a LONG time. So many of us knew from the very beginning that there was so much more to his story.
Ykw, I was a scara hater myself, but your Raiden parallel really put forward my biases. Cause I have defended Raiden with the same things I have bashed Scara for. You've really opened my eyes to being more open to villain tropes. Thanks for that. And yes I agree, anyone with hate towards Scara should put forward that same energy towards Ei. So yea thanks for pointing out my bias and proving me wrong. Those were great points you made. Much love
Thank you for listening!! I know a lot of people would definitely have just clicked out of my video and refused to listen. I don't hate Ei at all, I actually really loved her depiction of grief. I just wish people would understand that all of these characters are beautifully flawed in some way but that's the best thing about them.
While I like wanderer a lot I can not agree with that comparison, Eis actions lead to death but it was still done with a misguided sense of doing whats best for her nation and people, protecting them from tragedy and time.
Scaras murders had no such intentions behind them, there was no misguided sense of a greater good or helping others, just bis resentment for humans and gods.
Both are equally shitty beings and there is no excuse for either
I mean it’s just that Ei’s actions came up as a way of protecting her people. Obviously we all agree that they didn’t end well, but the intention was to save her people to not advance to a degree that Celestia turns against her country. And she did not lock herself up coz of her sister’s death and that she was done with ruling and responsibilities; she was just afraid that she might lose her ideals of eternity and her will to protect Inazuma, as time progresses . So she hard coded her will of then, into a machine and let it rule. Bad decision, but intention was at the right place.
I def agree with Lorie on Lores XD, but here I’ve to disagree. Scara was meant to be a villain character, but we later got to know why was he so. He, or his situations and actions were nothing similar to Ei’s. She was wrong on blindly trusting her 500 years old ideals to work well for her people now. Sacra’s problems were all his own. He killed people in good conscience. Bash Ei all you want, but don’t defend Scara saying that one shouldn’t bash him coz he’s like Ei. There are 0 similarities.
@@stevenviljoen160Absolutely!!!!!
I think the most sad detail in Scara is that he tried to gain every usefull skill he could just to that he wouldn't be thrown away again if he's not usefull. Deep inside it must've been his biggest fear. Even if it means to endure torture from the Fatui, he was still willing to go through this, just to be of a worth to someone. He's actually very talanted and hardworking, if Ei would've just given him a chance, he would be a better archon that her 200%
The fact that he has so much self loathe that his immediate decision was to erase himself instead of taking revenge on dottore😭😭😭 He thought that he was the cause of all the troubles that happened to his friends. He gave everything, he was even ready to erase himself to save them, but in the end he still failed. I feel so sorry for everything that scara has been trough💔
I actually love how they did this quest. Sure, I have some mixed feelings about some voice lines about ''The Balladeer'' being gone, but I love that he went back to his old self. He's not completely innocent, that was clearly said multiple times through the quest, but he is not the biggest evil either.
He didn't just do complete 90 turn and become a good guy and he didn't hide behind anything either. He directly said that he will face whatever consequences there are for his past actions, and if there is someone out there who feels like taking revenge, bring it on. He went even beyond and told us that people who don't remember him anymore should know the truth. He could just move on without anyone knowing, but no, he wanted those people to know he was to blame for that.
I totally love that. Side note, I adore his comebacks, especially talking to Paimon, just yes, that's my boy. I love how they finally showed us his past (as heartbreaking as it was). And I keep thinking about the innocent Scaramouche that he could've been if things were different, but in the same time, I'll keep OUR 'Scaramouche' any day.
I really have to agree with you on how so many people just ignore the fact that Ei was in fact a villain who killed people. Scaramouche also killed people, but both get a redemption arc, and yet some people only want to accept Ei's arc. It is a serious double-standard and I don't like it. That being said, the whole debate over how much can a person really "redeem" themselves is an interesting philosophical debate. Can the worst people become good? Can someone ever make up for things like murder? And like you said in the example with Kazuha killing guards who were chasing him, where does that leave situations in which the person had no choice but to do something bad, like self defense? The seeds for Scaramouche becoming evil were planted when Ei abandoned him, but he could still become a good person. It was Dottore manipulating him and killing the people he loved that made Scaramouche become evil in the first place, and like that person said, if an owner trains their dog to kill, is it the dogs fault when they kill someone, or the owners?
Scaramouche is a deep character, just like many characters in Genshin, including Ei, so it bothers me that so many people refuse to see that and try to simplify them into one archetype.
Ei still get quite a lot of hate for it to this day tbh but not as much as before, most people just like characters that have been their ally from the beginning, like kazuha which in his trailer yeah he did kill guards just performing their duties since it was during the vision hunt or kokomi for endangering her own people in leading a rebellion whilst knowing that they are at a disadvantage against the shogun's army and getting a lot of people from watatsumi killed by taking up arms, you are right it is double standard and it's bad, they don't even hate tartaglia as much as they hated Ei, wherein tartaglia purely had evil intentions by endagering the people of liyue unlike Ei who thought she was on the right path. I personally prefer characters that have growth like Ei, Wanderer, Eula and Ningguang not just the goody two shoes characters from the start which makes their story kinda flat and unrealistic. characters that have done bad things but are trying to better themselves makes them more "human" in a sense.
The mere fact that Ei didn't even mention a single thing about kabukimono on her story quests (she got two and she chose to just randomly go on a date with the MC and the 2nd quest just got me more confused at all like what happened to the sap? Where did it came from? Why did it just suddenly became a battle with the shogun when her original goal was to fix that corrosion stuffs that suddenly appeared under the shrine, after the battle now whut? She opened Inazuma to all but what happened to those memories on the sakura trees?) prove that if not nothing, she has only the littlest feeling for Scaramouche. I get why Scaramouche hates her actually, it is indeed a salt poured on the injury to say that she just doesn't want to intervene with his fate. That phrase is different from I want him to be free and can be easily misunderstood. In the end she's still the one that got away and abandoned her creation.
After all, the Raiden shogun is the archonl, and her self-renewal can improve the entire country. That's not the case with Scara. His atonement may have the positive meaning of self-redemption, but it is also suspected of self-satisfaction.
The big question about "whether the truth should be told to the party, regardless of whether the other party can accept it" is a topic that is often discussed in recent plots, and the same is true of the case investigated by Heizo. The most thoughtful person who seems to have handled it so far is Ayato, who revealed it after a series of observations that determined that Kazuha was capable of facing the truth.
That’s why i honestly like the way hoyoverse wrote his quest and his character. We can see how scara doesn’t really care if people thinks he can be redeemed or not, and welcomes the chance for them to come settle the score so he can take responsibility for his actions. This leaves the question open to the opinions of the viewers. If you believe he has been redeemed or deserves to be, then great. And if not, then he’ll accept the hatred and move on until someone manages to kill him or something
@PlatinumSpaghetti i’ve seen in a couple of streams where people react to all the demos back to back, when it came to wanderer’s demo they talk about how much of a cringy brat he is, but then when faruzan’s demo comes right after they go like “omg I love her bratty attitude!”
You nailed it with the context clues being sprinkled throughout the game for SEVERAL PATCHES BACK and yet people still believe that the “redemption” arc came out of nowhere. Truthfully it doesn’t even feel like a redemption arc; Scara maintained his memories and his personality. It felt more like an explanation, showing a background and a reason to how he became to be. The writers were VERY careful with writing this quest and even had Nahida LITERALLY narrate and explain things to the players and yet a lot of people still approach it with such a close mind.
I think they did a really good job with wrapping up his story. Getting an anemo vision was very fitting for him too. I don’t understand the clamor for him to retain his old look and Electro powers while being playable and not having some sort of “redemption”.
Everytime I see a genshin character with self worth issues, it's an immediate pull from me
So true
Dude I was crying when we saw how Scara would’ve been like without the trauma.
He was so sweet and I wanted to pinch his cheeks and give him a hug. But I’m still glad he’s still a brat.
I saw so many people hating on him for erasing himself. I think they forget that he did what he did cuz he thought he can change the past (Niwa, the child, and other people might be alive again, etc.) 😢 I wasn't his fan at first but I changed after this quest 😂❤
Lorie: “my favourite character, scaramouche!”
Mona: “do I mean nothing to you?”
😬😬
I mean both are blue with big hats sooooo
Mona：I had 3 betrayals, the first is my master, the second is mora 😭, the third is.... The Traveller!!!!!🤬
finally someone who understand and empathize with his story!! this is the best reaction i have seen so far
Honestly Lorie represents us Scaranation the best, the hype, the emotions and everything. Glad I was able to catch this live. Let's gooo Scaranation!
I don't usually comment, but I just wanted to say how much I think people like you are important for the fandom. You have such a good perspectve on the characters. So many other content creators have such shallow views of characters like Scara, and I think this contributes to a lot of the opinions the fandom has on morally gray characters.
Like, an unbelievable number of streamers blame Scara for getting angry when the kid in his past died??? Like what? They can't seem to get that people might experience grief and more complex emotions differently than they might. So their viewers also get these weird, shallow interpretations of what is going on.
There is so much misinformation, misinterpretation, and bias. It is so refreshing to see a more nuanced take. You don't need to agree with everything a character does or feels, or even like them, but I think it's important to try to understand them at least.
To be honest a lot of Genshin streamers seem like they are emotionally stunted individuals who have no empathy and hide behind a personality where they treat everything as a joke.
Lorie is rare in that in this story where she really cares about the character, she has such a mature and nuanced view of the topic.
Its ironic that you bring bias when scaramouche fans are the only bias people trying to excuse him for everything when everyone with a brain can objectively see that he is a piece of sht
Huh, it kinda makes you wonder if venti became a bard just so that the stories he tells won’t be affected if anything were to happen in irminsul
Hey Lorie! Not sure if you saw it, but during the CG when he saved us from the electro lazor, he was actually injured on his face. If you look closely, there was a cut on the right part of his face. When he went to grab his newly acquired vision, he wiped the blood away. it was extremely fast, but if you replay the scene at a slow rate, you can see it clearly!!!!!!🤔🤔🤔☺☺☺
Broooo ur level of observing is off the roofs
I loved this so much. I watched the whole VOD at Twitch and I am proud of you standing for yourself and other people like you. Personally after this quest I stopped following some of the creators that I really liked but their double standards were showing so much... To the point that they literally were insulting Wanderer whole quest even during the parts when we found out about how horrible he was treated by literally everyone (experiments, insults, abusing him in various ways). I hope that you will continue representing Scarantation. Thank u for that, it means the world to me.
just curious, who r these creators that r showing double standards?
@@crispyrings57 For example BranOnline. I really liked his previous content but his playthrough of Inversion of Genesisi quest made me fell quite upset (and I made sure to watch whole VOD with the aftercomment). And I am past the time to put up with this kind of behaviour.
@@szena769 oh yes I saw his reaction as well. He looks unsatisfied the whole quest 🥹
@@szena769 i was literally thinking branonline as i read the initial comment
Lmao only scaramouche delusional fans think its a double standard to call him a shitty person when its literally a fact
He's literally the most fun character to play 😭 I'm glad I pulled for scara
Sameeeee
every time i go on genshin and play with wanderer i run into some new FUNNY AS SHIT thing with him that has me cackling for 5 minutes straight. he is an icon.
@@xoxobvrbie 😌
I love how Lorie treats every Genshin Update as a celebration whether it is a big update or a new version as a filler. That's appreciation at its finest.
Scaramouche has been a bit of a on the fence character for me at first but as the game progressed he's done shit but same can be said about current and future characters. And he's showing signs of owning up to what he did and i have a huge amount of respect for him for doing that. I get it some don't like certain characters heck even I have a small list of em I'm not really fond of depending on how they develop in future updates will determine if my opinion changes. Which I'm going to be open minded towards. Sorry you had to go through that Lorie but yeah like myself I'd never say negative things straightforward about the characters i don't favor or try to argue why others should share my opinions. If a character makes others happy then they have every right to enjoy them. And you waited for this moment for 2 years and someone unreasonable tried to mess it up. Stay cool Lorie I enjoyed this quest from my own experience and seeing it through yours keep standing up to the negative Nancy's out there trying to rain on everyone's fun in your community. The real ones are there for you not to force their opinions on others. Don't be a Dottore folks no one likes a negative influencer gotta stay positive like Yoimiya
Honestly all of the mixed reactions to this quest have got me kinda confused. I feel like people aren't even aware of the weird double standards they have when it comes to characters like Scaramouche and lets say the Raiden Shogun as a prime example. Ei trapped her citizens inside of Inazuma and started the vision hunt decree, a decree where she literally used her power as shogun to hunt down her subjects and steal their visions/ambitions, leaving them as depressed husks of their former selves. She could even go as far as to executing subjects who tried to fight against the decree more brazenly, as seen when Tomo (rest in peace king) lost his duel. Not to mention her impromptu abandonment of Scaramouche was the catalyst for all of his issues to come. Despite all of this, whenever people bring up issues they may have with her, it's consistently met with an understanding that her actions came from a place of hurt.
Meanwhile, when Scaramouche checks all of the same boxes, with the only differences being that he's emotionally a bit more stubborn (due to his trauma) and has been a known antagonist for a longer amount of of time, I just can't help but question why people are still so mad at him. As someone who completely dropped Genshin for a couple of months after pulling for Raiden Shogun only to have her first story quest be such a humongous let down in actually getting to the meat of her issues as a character, I'm extremely pleased with the way they handled Scaramouche's story this time around. I think it's really amazing how they managed to tie in the themes of how although we might all do things we aren't proud of or have things that we wish we could take back, our imperfections are what make us human.
This meaning a lot for the Wanderer, as even though he's a being who has been shunned and othered by gods and humans alike, he still has those core aspects that make him what he coveted to be, a living individual. Not to mention he accepted his past sins and understood astutely that even though his actions came from a place of misguided hurt, that doesn't mean that they deserve to be brushed under the rug or just left out in the air to dry. He's taking the time to not only heal but take accountability for who he used to be. Frankly, compared to what some other morally grey characters have done to "atone" for their actions, (cough cough Childe tried to drown a city and his story quest just went "aha sorry just gotta get that payroll for my fam back home y'know??") his story really was the most clear and concise by far.
Woop anyways good quest Wanderer is cool, I had to hold back from naming him Shaboopie or something but yeah pretty interesting quest!
The reason why people are so mad at Wanderer instead of Raiden is because I feel like most of the playerbase just dont understand how complex characters work and that they need the character's redemption spoon-fed to them rather than working it out for themselves.
Raiden's redemption arc was wrapped up with the players being told that she redeemed herself because she understands the issues that she caused and is changing. Some people prefer that I guess.
Instead Scara's was left more open for interpretation, like "do you forgive him or not" because the characters just treated him neutrally after all is done, like the traveller for example they don't forgive him for the atrocities he's committed, but they respect that he's turned a new leaf and can sympathise to a certain extent which is a great way of doing it in my opinion.
Honestly give this fanbase an incredibly written complex "Villian" character like Otto for Honkai and they'd just complain
I loved your reaction Lorie! To really love Wanderer is to understand his story and its depth while also understanding his past grief and why he did what he did. Not to mention the steps hes taking to take his sins back. So glad you're part of the people who love him! ❤ I think you'll love his character stories, they are honestly amazing!
As a Kazuha main, I was hesitant that he could be forgiven but now I feel motivated to triple crown Wanderer (aka Kuni-Kun after the archon quest lol)
Mine is called Kuni too
Yoo same. Called him Kuni too
I named him Scaranara
I really hope they get some moments in the story together and traveller does end up letting Kazuha know the truth. Really curious how that would all go!
@@LorieMegistus Did Scaramouche really kill Kazuha's clan? I got a little lost in history
I'm thinking that voice is probably Istaroth, the "Thousand Winds"/God of Time that's been alluded to by Mondstadt lore/Enkanomiya lore, she'd be the only one who remembers the timeline change since even Paimon and Nahida were affected by the Irminsul history rewrite, so the Hydro and Pyro Archons would be affected as well
I had to scroll SO FAR to find anyone talking about Istaroth. I’m so glad I’m not alone on this one
This was so immersive. It felt like I just watched a whole movie. This is by far one of the best genshin lores for me. Scara's story speaks to me in ways I cannot explain. Your reaction and thoughts were so entertaining as well.
Congrats to you Lorie for naming your PERFECT WONDERFUL IMMACULATE SON
Scara more than anything deserves his vengeance even if it’s not necessarily the right path he still need it
Lorie: this is mine ?
"Checking his C6 constellations"
Lorie : yup this is mine .
Thank you for voicing the things we've been thinking and knowing about but didn't have the reach or confidence to do so ^-^
You're a blessing to this community and I can't thank you enough 💜🙏
this is so sweet ;o; thank you!!!
_"Take a shower, take a dook-dook..."_
She's supposed to be the god of wisdom... you take a dook-dook before a shower, not after...
Is “during” an option here?
Sometimes
@@Downxos what!
This quest was so damn emotional. I knew that I would be able to rename him due to leaks, but it took me three weeks of really thinking about it before I settled on Kunimitsu- basically the opposite meaning of Kunikuzushi. I'm quite pleased with the name I chose for him.
Great video ❤ I always enjoy your content
I know a lot of people want Dottore to be playable but personally I would sacrifice that any day for an irredeemable villain, I love villains that seemed to wake up one day wondering how many lives they can ruin.
I kind of wonder if he did something a bit similar in Mondstadt, there was a rumor once that Amber grandfather was a traitor when he suddenly disappeared.
The cat story with the surasthana theme was so good
There is a quote where it says that "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing the world that he doesn't exist." If we exclude the devil part, the trick itself reminded me of what scara and rukkhadevata did." With that being said, I love this story quest. And it made me understand scara's backstory and to know why he is who he is.
Such a good quest, your reactions were all great and I adored how we had the same visceral response to Kitty-mouche like I wasn't able to contain myself either.
Ive been waiting for you to post your reaction video!!!! I love how genuine your feelings are. Thanks Lorie. Btw i I named mine pedahel means God redeem. Nahida is the best mother. Thank you nahida for the therapy and adopting scaramouche
"to be human is to live with imperfection" damn...
1:02:40
Scara: Give me your hand
Lorie: I'm so ready for the wedding ring🥰😍🤩😘
"how's signora mains?"
alive and well
i feel you... i really hope they cross their path someday in either of their story quests..and how Ei realized what she have done..
I missed Signora's voice really..
Straight up, Ei abandoned Scaramouche. Granted these are cartoon characters, but she did exactly that. Come on people, she is a goddess, she should have figured if she gave him life and the freedom to wander, her creation was going to come back and bite her in the butt was entirely possible. Then on top of all of it, Docttore who is a heinous, unforgivable character, abandoned Scaramouche again. Nothing is black and white. Everything has shades of gray! The fact that the writing of the script reflects this, gives so much more intrigue and drama to all the characters!
OMG I LOVE SCARA SOOOO MUCH , HE IS THE BEST BOY 😭😭😭😭
Regarding your opinion about raiden.
I absolutely agree about the responsibility take.
Ei never intended for Scara to be “evil” or “morally grey”
She just gave him freedom
As someone that relates a lot to the Raiden story (isolation) I also relate to Scara in the “absolute freedom is not good”
Raiden gave him freedom and released him into the world
That’s exactly what my parents did when I was a child they never cared too much about “education” so I had to figure out a lot of thing myself (mostly regarding good and bad deeds)
Doing this is an absolute mistake by the parent.. providing 0 input and/or educational knowledge is insanely dangerous to a child
What Ei did is something that unfortunately a lot of people do irl and is ignoring a child and giving them absolute freedom
I could’ve become a really bad person considering my “”education”” but thankfully I didn’t
(I recognise I’m the minority)
The correct decision was not only to keep him alive and not destroy him but also to keep him at tenshukaku and teach him about the world and give him proper love.
I love this perspective. Thank you for sharing!
👍
Funny thing is, Ei doesn't understand much about the mortal world also But she realized her path, wasn't his path. Ei was a shadow, a warrior of the battlefield, even when the leadership of the nation fell onto her after her sister death, she created new shield to hide behind again. Scara staying behind would only be possible if he was to follow her path. The current Ei, has now just become the light and her puppet Shogun the Shadow. Now she has taken more interest in learning about the mortal life and its play on the ideals of eternity. I also have a theory that all this "needed" to happen. Ei needed the plane of euthymia to create the Sacred Sakura to actually "Change" the past and her mind existing there might give her some protection against changes in Irminsul.
Trying to excuse scaramouche by bringing up raiden is just a bad argument when raiden is just as shitty
I chuckled a bit when you started typing Asahi. So good XD Ended up naming him Loki, myself.
I was so happy that I got to catch this stream!(I was still too shy to chat lol) Congrats on C6 R5!!!
I wanted to say that I am so sorry that people were actually giving you flak for liking Wanderer(which is wild if they like Ei, Zhongli, Tartaglia, etc.)
I love both Ei and Wanderer and part of the reason is because they are morally flawed individuals who are trying to do better(don't know if I phrased that correctly), people who try to absolve Ei from her wrongdoings are only do a disservice to her character anyway because by doing so, it takes away from the growth she has had.
If people read they would have clearly seen that Wanderer was going to have a redemption arc, shoot even if they haven't, I feel like playing through Sumeru's Archon Quest and watching his scenes should have told them that there was something more than just being "evil" so I don't understand why people say it just came out of nowhere. The attempt to erase himself from irminsul came from a place of wanting the people he cared about not to suffer, I personally didn't see it as a cop out especially since he decided to take those memories back and told the traveller to tell the descendants that he was the one behind it, he could've had a clean slate but he decided to accept responsibility. I also agree with your opinion regarding Ei and what she should have done, while it's great she didn't want to destroy him, abandoning him was not the right thing to do either because that just left him really vulnerable and was the cause for all the mess up things that happened to him
I have seen so much mixed reception for this Archon quest but I personally loved it(probably a little biased hehe) and I think Wanderer has had the best redemption arc in the game so far, I can't wait to see more of him in the future, hopefully a Kazuha and Wanderer interaction is in the works, sorry this is so long😅
I love your reactions! ❤️
Yea, I was, and still am, a "wanter of good redemption arcs". And Scara got a really good one! XD
Thing is, I've seen a lot of people dividing themselves into Ei vs Scara, which is where I kinda disagree. Neither are blameless, but neither are absolute evil either. For Raiden's case, yes she did some bad stuff, the Vision Hunt Decree and Sakoku shouldn't have been a thing, _but_ , it's not fully her fault. When she says "I know exactly what's going on outside", it was the same as Scara: _she thought she knew exactly what's going on outside_. The Commission she set up to be her eyes, lied to her; you could say her fault was not double checking it. So yes, while she isn't all innocent, she wasn't being a tyrant out of pure evil, she was led to believe the people were masochist and liking it (if that makes sense) and in her insecurity to be a good ruler, led to believe she was doing a good job, she continued on that path till we gave her a reality check. I do however feel she did suffer from bad writing in the sense the story was good, the storytelling wasn't as much; unlike Scara's case.
Coming to Scara, I kinda dislike characters who act all high and mighty (nothing against Scara himself, but characterizations like this in general), so what I liked was they didn't make him a goody-two-shoes. He realized the entire thing he based his anger and hatred on, was just a big LIE. He still stays the same brat we know, but now, he knows _who to fuck up_ . He doesn't try to make amends since it's pointless, he's in it now to prevent whatever happened to him again. Which I respect. This was where Signora went wrong: Rostam's death was partly Venti's fault, but she evolved beyond a powerful being of flame to just wanting to watch the world burn, without realizing that she was probably the reason behind other 'Rostam's and 'Rosalyne's.
Additionally, the whole Ei abandoning Scara thing is so blown out of proportion imo. Both are in the right. -ish. Scara is justified since his literal first memory is waking up in a domain without any recollection of what happened to his mother, and believing he was abandoned after Ei saw he was unfit for what he was created: housing a Gnosis. There's even a sneaky part of the story that seems to suggest that Scara went to get help from the Shogunate using his feather during the Tatarasuna incident, but a "shrine maiden" kinda intercepted him, and promised him help, which never arrived. So he's justified to feel betrayed. Ei on the other hand, did what she thought was best. Scara couldn't bear the Gnosis, and she was too emotionally attached to him to not recycle him, so she decided to set him free. In my opinion, she didn't see Scara as a son, but imo like the best of your life's work that you can't bring yourself to erase. Additionally, Ei has been depicted as naive (which is something I love in potrayals of deities in general: that beyond they're powers they're also pretty human, the only difference being instead of dealing with mortality issues, they deal with immortality issues), her nation was in shambles, her sister and all her friends were dead, and she was catapulted to lead an entire nation without counsel when she hated the spotlight, so I understand where she comes from. She also didn't fully abandon Scara, as otherwise she wouldn't have given him the feather: she left him to lead his own life as he chose, and know that if he ever needed, the Electro Archon's aid is at his disposal. So yea.
_And this might get me persecuted, but I actually feel story _*_content_*_ wise Liyue is the weakest. Like this dude tries to kill you, then tries to blow up the city, then you see the god of said city was actually manipulating him to do that, the you babysit his brother_
TLDR: Scaramouche and Ei aren't white, aren't black. They're gray, and very well written characters (except for Ei's case, maybe not as well executed). There's no need to do who's right who's wrong, coz it's neither: they did what they felt was right and that's all that counts.
Scaramouche / Wanderer / Koga.. his character reminds me of Sasuke from Naruto. I truly happy that i have him in my collection. Love his fighting style ❤ anyway , great video and keep posting Genshin Impact gameplay video .. cheers Lorie
Basically knew scaramouche was and is a good guy just was a project of detorre I knew it!
I have a different take. I'd say there are no good or bad people. We're all shaped by our experiences, and even the worst people of history might have turned out differently had they been shown another path. Dottore is no doubt a victim of circumstance too.
No, that's not what the quest said at all. Scaramouche was manipulated, but he is still responsible for all the terrible things he has done. Good or bad isn't a binary.
The Voice at the end can't be the Hydro Archon. In case you forgot, changing Irminsul's information is retroactive, so she wouldn't remember. Descenders are an exception to this, obviously, and the only options that make sense are either the Sustainer or Istaroth. Then again, I wouldn't put it past Hoyo to ignore that lore just to tease the next nation. That being said, Focalors ideal is Justice, not Fate. Who knows?
I already did the quest .. so am here for another ones reaction ... plus the intermission music when you read both letters got me 🤣🤣🤣
Tbh I've always had mixed feelings since I heard Scaramouche's power was unlocked and upgraded by a member of the fatui, at the very least I had a bad feeling that he was the one brutally experimenting on scaramouche as he did with collei, and some point of scaramouche's persona was likely influenced by him. I just didn't know he was alive that long.
Yeiii I was waiting for this!!! ♡
The person talking at the end is Istaroth the godess of time and only someone affliated with time would know of what happened
Archons are part of teyvat and irminsul meawhile someone like Istaroth knows everything that is going on
It could be. I think you're right that they're most likely a Descender.
She’s literally of of the Primordial Ones shades, there’s no way she wouldn’t remember, so yeah I agree it’s gotta be her
Lorie upon hearing Dottore: WHAT IS WRONG WITH HIM????
Me: many things lorie…. Too many to count…
Paimon hates Scara so much that she’d sometimes speak in first person
I had so much fun on this quest,its weird to have him on the game after 2 years,but this archon quest is one of my favorites now, and it made me hate dottore so much,how can someone be so GOOD at being BAD? Big props to his VA too!! I cant imagine the scenes would have as much impact as if he was voiced by someone else. Also i love how your dog barged in as soon as they mentioned kazuha LMAO
@Lorie Megistus I think that voice probably Hydro Archon, Focalors since Traveler also heard Nahida voice back in Inazuma. It also can be Mona's Master (try read her character opinion). Since we can say Mona's Master origin from Fontaine. Also can be said Istaroth(Goddess of Time)..
The story was well written, the quest was great in gist we can say:
Wanderer to everyone else: F*** U
Wanderer to Nahida: I trust you with everything even my future.
And I'm happy that is got the guidance he needed from Nahida the of all the archons we have right now
Lorie!!!! This is honestly the first video of yours that I had to watch from start to finish and I have to say, it was so worth it! To be honest, I thought you were just one of those bandwagonners who liked Scaramouche. Nope, you proved me SO WRONG. You did what only a few TRUE fans could: you understood his character. He was more than a cool-looking designed character, with an interesting named attached to a song. More than that, you saw a broken puppet who just longed to be human and find purpose for himself.
I love how you went on a tangent because you felt the need to really justify how well-written his character is, and how, yes, he committed crimes and it doesn't justify anything of his character, however, it doesn't mean he can't choose to face the music himself and deal with all its consequences. He's truly a very fleshed out character. I'm so excited to have more of him in the future updates. Also, the fact that you brought up the double standards about morally gray characters if they were a man or woman was really strong.
The scene where he got his vision still continues to give me chills and near tears (I cried my first few times okay). He so deserves something for himself and not one that was forced upon him (the theory that he should've gotten an electro vision comes to mind and it actually came upon a theory post i saw on twitter).
I don't really think Paimon should trust Scaramouche, I think Paimon should have a little trust in the god of wisdom, Nahida, and not baby her as if she isn't a full-fledged archon well aware of the pros and cons of her decisions, it's not her place to interfere. Hell Nahida likely knows more about Scaramouche than Paimon does, they have had time to talk.
I do enjoy the fact that each player has had a bit of different perspectives on the situation - watching the reactions come out all around now, seeing yours, BranOnline, Doro, Leah's, eventually bwaap's when it comes out, and a couple others all having different viewpoints on this situation/character is good for conversation about some of these heavier topics discussed in this quest
I had to play Kazuha story before this. And the sheer difference between the Kazuha era stories versus this, just the dialogue itself is SO different in quality.
back then paimon said literally nothing useful and they recapped what happened twenty seconds ago every five minutes.
Now even paimon is a real character and the banter with scara is soooo lively and good!
I was going through people playing the scara archon quest and it surprised me that you were going to name him asahi haha I'm not sure how far you are in ffxiv but I named my wanderer fandaniel just because I think the original Fandaniel's story fits him quite nicely.
and he does kinda remind me of asahi from time to time haha
The voice at the end so far has a majority of people thinking its either a unknown higher entity in teyvat who doesnt experience changes by the irminsul to the living memory. and if you go from that people suspect that a higher power is in question and that one is one of the shades of the primodial one. Istaroth the god of time we knew she already has been involved 2 times in some events so far. like helping enkanomiya and makoto seperately. And it makes sense she seems favourable to humans and perhaps as we can hear desire to help the world break free of something its currently in. and as the god of time(a higher form of power then what archons have and possibly others) she experiences every moment in the world. she would be keenly aware of history and the flow of time thus the whole talk about how history doesnt change easily if at all. in short. Things have happend, is happening, will happen. As the vase allegory makes out you cant change the world only the perception of what happend.
Also i personally also found it very interesting scara got a anemo vision. something tells me if its Istaroth keeping an eye on us. thats no mistake because one of her titles were also the Thousand winds which is interesting because at one point her and barbatos were two of monstadts worshipped gods. and anemo has been tied to time related powers. I personally hope its her or atleast some of the higher beings we knew has existed or does exist.
i still dont like how beelzebub delt with discarding Scaramouch. Like freedom given by force is nothing short of abandonment.
I was hoping to meet Yae after Signora. Sadly, both Yae and Ei weren't shown in his memory.
We did get a glimpse of Ei and heard Yea when he accepted his vision. I don't think he had a lot of memories with Ei tbh.
1:31:05 funny thing: the guy you're most likely thinking of is actually on youtube. really chill and cool guy, " Blind Surfer Pete Gustin" and yes, he is a blind voice actor who started surfing when he was going blind.
I agree with you wholeheartedly Lorie! The Dr. Is despicable. A monster! He not only experimented on Scaramouche, but Collie and many other children. They want to make him a playable character which means he has to be friendly with the traveler. Just don’t see it!
I give great importance to names, so I spent over two hours on deciding one for Wanderer. Before I did this quest I had been spoiled on the renaming thing, so I was thinking of naming him something that connected him with his roots, but after it, I thought it wouldn't be right. Then, I thought of naming him shadow in persian, since he did basically say he would be Nahida's shadow here, but it didn't feel right either.
I ended up giving him his own name, "Kazem." A persian name that means "one who controls his anger."
I think MHY did a nice job with both his and Raiden's redemptions...and they both paid for their sins with a 500 year penance, which I think made for a nice parallel.
I still hold hope that he and Raiden will meet again. After all, he still has her feather. It was sad to see that Raiden no longer has her voiceline of him. Interestingly enough, the Katsuragikiri blade remains with its name unchanged.
As for him believing that relationships are borrowing and taking, well, that just means there's more space for future character development. I hope we see him again soon ❤
so just imagine those books we collect around XD if those fairy tales are allegories to SOMETHING ELSE involved in Teyvat...ooh the hair on my arms are standing.
They basically all are btw, you should check out some lore channels. I recommend Chill with Aster
The fact that scara has changed so much made me smile. What a relief! Dottore is gonna get his ass whooped when we get our hands on him
I got him today! Two days after my birthday! He is so fun to play as well!
Congrats!!! 🎉🎉
@@LorieMegistus thank you🙏
After playing through the quest and watching it again, it just occured to me that Wanderer's demo just confirms Alice is probably a Descender during the first few minutes going over his past.
The voice in the end of quest probably is Istaroth, the god of time (and Shadow of Primordial One).
Every Archon had its memory wiped, the only ones unaffected were the Decenders: the Alice, the twin of the Abyss and Primordial One and their glowing shadows.
it was my first thought too, because alice and rukhhdevata don't sound like that, there is no meaning to tease focalor this early(at least in my opinion)
Not you jolting your cat awake @31:39 when cackling at Scara 😭😭
The way I wasted my fates to pull for him than his mom which I waited for months since I always lose 50/50😭
Edit: I dont regret having him, He deserves it
I loved this interlude quest, he's baby. 😭😭
I was so happy when Hoyoverse announced he was gonna be playable. Been waiting for him since 1.1. 😭😭😭😭😭
really cool quest but still sad that noone remembers him now ... though i feel like they'll continue to treat his character right.
anyway i named him fuujin because it's the name of a cool japanese wind god
The fact that I was doing the delusion factory quest while watching this😂
2:29:48 my boy just admitted that he has an obsessive personality
*makes notes for my fanfic*
I like how this quest is mainly Nahida's therapy session ... And officially become Aunty Nahida 💚💚💚💚💚💚 🌱🌱🌱
Omggg I love your reaction , koga had a very tonight pass and maybe the voice is Alice??
28:11 fun fact: Wanderer's birthday is on January 3rd that we can see on his profile which is Capricorn.
The difference between Ei and Scara is that Scara actually repented and embraced all the sins and is ready to be punished and wants to be better, but Ei only accepted that eternity is not possible so she called it off yet the traveler and Paimon had a better attitude with her compared to Scara and it maddens me. Hypocrites.
Eis actions came from a misguided sense of the greater good and came with the benefit of having Miko to help explaim everything and to jelp them symoathize and humanize her and the traveler was the thorn in her plans not the other way round.
Scara on the other hand has beem dogging the traveler since 1.1 and has been a thorn in their side a much longer time, he has also caused the traveler a lot of problems and has drawn their personal ire at multiple points like mocking the death of one of their friends.
It only makes sense for the traveler and Paimon to have more of a resentment for him at the start.
Naming Scara feels like naming a party member in a jrpg... I think the game is setting him up to be our travel partner. I also have a feeling Collei as well will be. We might have a crew when we go to future nations
Despite this being the second time we see someone receive a vision, surprisingly I’m not complaining.
49:40 EXACTLY OML PLS THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I THINK
52:54 I'M ON THE SAME WAVELENGTH LEGIT sorry for all caps I'm just happy to see someone else has this view but like you said I see so many excuses like yeah eis past was sad yes her intention wasn't as cruel but it doesn't mean it suddenly didn't happen or had any consequence and it bugs me so much
So basically that voice at the end says that Irminsul only records the memories of the world and alters only those memories, it does not change occurences of things that have happened in the past. Whatever happened has happened but Irminsul can make everyone forget about them, but it doesn't change the fact that it has still happened in Teyvat.
If that's the case, we should think back on the game and find the lore where things are unclear. One thing I found is that Sal Vindagnyr (the old Dragonspine) was destroyed even though nothing so far mentions of anything they did to offend Celestia. Which means, Irminsul may have erased the evidence of why Sal Vindagnyr was destroyed.
Paimon has every reason to doubt the Wanderer at first since he tried to kill the Traveler thrice
And people who annoyed by that isn't wrong. said by me who adore both my paimon and my scara
Absolutely, I still got annoyed as the player though, haha.
9:23 most significant genshin video ever created
😂😂
if dottore ever becomes a playable character, it's probably a segment/clone gone rogue. i honestly can't see the actual dottore going to our side unless the traveler finds a crazy truth that makes them team up with the fatui despite the shit they've done.