This was the most respectful “Busts” segment I’ve ever seen. Shows the difference between analysts who’ve never stepped a foot on a football field and are more than happy to throw around the BUST label and guys that have like Pat, AJ and Pac and know how hard it is.
@@tcsprynce5748 I’d say playing a football game that lets you interact with fans and entertain millions is more honorable than murdering civilians and invading other countries under the facade of “protecting the freedoms of Americans” lmao.
Missed Paxton Lynch from the Broncos. 26th pick in the 2016 draft. Refused to study film and learn the playbook. Started 4 games in 3 years. Was the 3rd string by his 3rd year behind Case Keenum and Chad Kelly. He got released later that year when the Broncos got Kevin Hogan. He then got signed and cut by the Seahawks and Steelers in 2019 and 2020. Then he was the 4th string QB for the Saskatchewan Roughriders. Then he was the 8th pick of the 12th round of the USFL by the Michigan Panthers. He signed with the Guardians in the XFL in January 2023, but was benched in Week 1 and waived in April. He’s currently with the Brahmas.
David Carr was actually a decent NFL QB. He was better then decent actually. If he any protection early in his career, he would have had a really good career.
“But, if Jake Locker was to play pickup football with you, with you, with you, with me, NOT with Pac. They have done that…” incredible statement and spot on 😂😂😂
We had a guy that went to our high school who was an absolute beast. His name was Tyler Gray and I believe he was all state for RB and LB. He would straight bulldozer people and had the size and speed. Got a full ride at Boise State and had a successful senior year. Got signed with the dolphins and was cut in the preseason. He was probably the most talented football player I’ve ever witnessed and he got cut. Shows how hard the NFL is
One of my favorite segments of all time on this show. It was a surprise and pleasure to watch this live. Y’all should do this more often with other positions
Putting Carson on this list is REALLY stretching the word bust here. He was on track to get MVP multiple times and was a huge contributor to the Super Bowl winning team during the regular season
@@GeneralBuckNaked Pat asked him about the media or something like that, and Carson said naw only the things you had said or something like that, let me see if I can find a link
Almost being an MVP once but then being so injury prone you can’t play quality football anywhere else afterwards does make you a bust. People aren’t drafted to be one hit wonder players
Its hard to call Carson Wentz a bust when the Eagles won that superbowl in large part due to him. As an Eagles fan I think the pick was worth it with how he had us playing so dominant before Foles came in and played even better. His career wasn’t as expected but when you win a superbowl I think any pick is worth that.
@@MrGoddlie Wentz was an mvp player and got hurt right before the playoffs. Teams were prepping to play against wentz and had 0 film on Foles. The team they beat in the Super Bowl, the patriots, are notorious for being well prepared and watching tons of film on who they are going to play against. They had a very scarce amount of film to look at, so they probably had trouble trying to replicate foles play in their practices leading up to the Super Bowl. You don’t think that was a factor
@sage Tom Brady was the front runner. And The backup won that superbowl. While Wentz played none since he's injury. He has a ring not because he won it
I love the dynamic the show is becoming pat is pat but has special team knowledge you never see sports shows talk about, the toxic table being a bunch of regular guys just talking ball, then some dawgs in Pac-Man,d butler, AJ, and the slew of nfl guys constantly on the show. excited for the 4th unprecedented draft spectacular. Good work boys
Man, putting Wentz in this segment is wild. The portrayal of him throughout the media seems incredibly unfair. Dude is the only one with a winning record and has a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, plus he was the runaway MVP before tearing his ACL sacrificing his body for his team. Some nasty work by the media on him
He was 5th overall pick for Pittsburg after three years had 86 total passing yards. Traded to Cleveland after two years had only 108 more passing yards... released. Pickup by the Chiefs +28,000 of passing, MVP, Super Bowl victory, Hall of Fame. Some of these players didn't have it, others might have a different career arc if they were on a different team.
EJ Manuel - 2013 16th pick to the Buffalo Bills. As a dummy, I knew instantly this wasn’t good - grew up in Virginia Beach and played at Florida State, drafted to play in Buffalo. Absolutely set the Bills back 2-3 years. 😢
I’m a Bills fan. He was a projected 5th rounder and everyone unanimously was surprised when we drafted him. Could argue he had potential, and he was steady as a human being and had a great personality…..but yeah. That’s not all it takes….because the NFL is HARD! 😂
As a draft pick, he was not a bust. Evaluating the entirety of his career, unfulfilled potential. The Eagles got what they needed out of him. The fact that the Colts and WFT did not, is irrelevant to his draft status.
@Angry Vet right. He had an MVP caliber season. Got hurt. Laid the ground work for Nick Foles to win the Super Bowl. Without Wentz that year, the Eagles don't get a Super Bowl. Hard to call that a bust. He had some productive years. Some underperforming years. But as a draft pick, he's not a bust.
I feel sorry for Marcus Lattimore, although not an NFL bust the dude was a top running back and decided to finish his senior year at South Carolina and not go into the draft, he tore up his knee so bad he was unable to play football at the same level again.
@Matt Young... Manzel is nowhere near as bad of a bust as Ryan Leaf!.. The ONLY person who can be mentioned with Leaf is Jamarcus.. Them 2 guys are the 1&2 combo of worst QB busts of all time
@@willardmatsaudza3101 Jamarcus was #1 pick overall. If he was picked by anyone but the Raiders (or Browns) he's case closed biggest bust ever. As it is you've got a point with Leaf...
Listening to the guys say, "is hard" when Pat says, "The NFL..." reminds me of the scene in Moneyball where Brad Pitt wants Jonah Hill to speak up when he points.
It’s crazy that Geno Smith would have been on his list, but his turnaround year in Seattle when he blew expectations as a transitional qb at best out of the water. Props to him.
This is one of the best pat segments ever. It's fine pointing out failure, it makes the success stories even greater imo, assuming you do it respectfully which he did.
Great segment! People really do forget football is very hard, and the draft is definitely a gamble. There should be a draft evaluation category for how much DAWG a guy has in him!
This is why so much of draft discourse infuriates me. People acting like they know with any certainly how good any of these guys are gonna be because of their college box scores. And they'll forget about it if they're wrong and take victory laps if they're right.
Its impossible to measure a players "Dog" 😂😂.. If that was the case, people like Kobe, Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Troy Polamalu etc.. These guys would ALL be Number 1 picks of their drafts, respectfully
Akili Smith has to be mentioned, not to highlight how awful a pick (Bungles could have taken McNabb), but to emphasize just how great and important Joe Burrow is. The Bengals are a transformed franchise, the potential for another franchise changing QB is in this draft.
Donovan McNabb had already been taken #2 by the Eagles, after Tim Couch went #1 by the Reformed Browns. Suckili Stiff (er, AkiliSmth) went #3. Of course, his failure was rendered even worse since Mikey Boy Brown vetoed the trade offer with Mike Ditka when Ditka offered his entire set of draft picks as well as the next year's 1st round pick to trade up for Ricky Williams.
Growing up in SoCal, Matt Leinart was the first college QB I followed. I was around 9 when he and Reggie went on their run but getting to my teens and seeing him not be a good NFL QB was shocking to me lol.
Maybe JaMarcus Russell wasn’t in the best situation and had an incredible amount of pressure and expectations, but they also gave him blank tapes when they suspected he wasn’t watching film and he subsequently told the coaches he’d “watched the blitz packages.” Now, I know these are young guys with a lot of pressure suddenly put on them, but I’d put dedication and work ethic like that more in the category of bust than guys who gave it their all and just couldn’t cut it.
I really feel bad for rookie QB's that are put into a terrible situation, get judged for their first year in the league, and then never get another chance. I feel like letting them sit behind a seasoned vet has proven to be a good strategy.
Coming out of high school, Boller was the number one rated QB in the nation: Kyle Boller California (PAC-10) 2815 yards 28 Touchdowns 10 Interceptions Passing Effiency 126.8 (Drafted By Baltimore Ravens 19th pick 2003) Will Levis Kentucky (SEC) 2406 yards 19 Touchdowns 10 Interceptions Passing Effiency 151.9 Anthony Richardson (SEC) 2549 yards 17 Tochdowns 9 Interceptions Passing Effiency 131.0
For real. Dude crashed hard but he was an All-Pro at one point. Definitely a disappointment but very far away from one of the biggest QB busts in history.
@@wilcee238 a bust is a player who does NOTHING in the NFL that was drafted with high expectations. aka ryan leaf (cool guy tho). not a guy who almost won MVP but got injured and carried a team to the playoffs the following season. who fell off after a few legitimate pro bowl seasons.
I get that Pat has some Animas against Wentz. However, I'm putting RGIII on this list over Wentz. All things equal injuries both derailed their career in the beginning. But Wentz did have a better career.
@@WeenusFartingington nick foles won that ring. wentz is a bust, nick foles took that team to a super bowl and what dissents do after that with that same eagles team
I was a huge Locker fan back in the day ... I was in my early 20s and even I knew that Locker pick was crazy I thought 2nd to 3rd but top 10 sheesh but I was happy for the guy
I knew a juco wr who was a combination of Russell, Manziel, etc. He was 6-3, blazing fast, quick off the blocks and at least 36" vertical. Not unintelligent, but always paying guys off with "pharmaceuticals" to write papers etc. Had the excuse "I'm here to play football." A physically gifted young man...Never played a down.
I don’t understand how Johnny Manziel even sniffs “greatest QB busts of all time”. His expectation levels were not high, he was drafted 22nd overall which is not crazy high, he was a backup to start the year. Etc. and ditto for Carson Wentz. Dude was 3 games from being an MVP for crying out loud. Considering you don’t have guys like Blaine Gabbert, Sam Bradford, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf and Jameis Winston, all of which are top 10 picks who were absolutely awful
Despite being drafted in the virtual 2020 draft via COVID-19, Joe Burrow has been cool, calm, and connected ever since helping the Bengals rebuild into legitimate Super Bowl contenders!
I live in South Florida, couple months ago I was driving home from work and sat behind a pickup truck at a red light and saw the damndest thing. It had a Florida State license plate that read “C Ponder” with an older woman sat up in the drivers seat. Now, I have no way to confirm that all these years later, that Christian Ponder’s mother still has a license plate celebrating her son on the back of her car, but if she doesn’t, that’s an outrageous coincidence.
Wait, Johnny Manziel... going #22 overall is considered a bust? How about Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, and etc. Guys that actually went in the top 5.
Eric, your totally right. This list is way too recent, some of these guys still have a chance to turn their careers around. Ryan Leaf was a way bigger bust than any of these guys with the exception of Jemarcus Russell, him and Leaf are the biggest bust of all time. imo
he was a first round pick that was out of the league in two years, that is an absolute bust. all the players you listed are pre 2000, this list is for 2000 and onward
Wentz literally has decent stats. Pat and the crew continues to be carl haters and doesn't talk about the defense and Jonathan Taylor literally sat on their asses the last two games and equally cost the colts a playoff spot.
Wentz sucks…Foles won all of the important games. One hot 13 game stretch due to playing with the best roster in the nfl doesn’t exclude you from being a bust
@@stevescott3735 If you have a winning record a 2-1 touchdown ratio it would exclude you when every other bust doesn't have a winning record or they have more interceptions than touchdowns. He literally still got the team to the playoffs the next year after the superbowl with the "Randoms" that were on his team, with his team played with injuries. How'd Foles do after the superbowl? He did real good for the Colts.
Weeden was near 30 at the time, I didn’t expect him to be a major factor and lifetime backup which he kind of was at the end and this is coming from a guy that attended Oklahoma State and loved watching him play in college.
He's not good but hardly a bust. He at least had winning seasons. A bust doesn't throw 150 tds and over 15,000 yards. Ryan leaf. Jamarcus. Johnny Football. Leinhart those guys are busts. Wentz was just over drafted and was mediocre.
so many fans of sports dont understand that the lowest-level professional athlete in whatever sport, is miles ahead of any regular person. As a huge MMA fan you see this a lot with fighters because casuals dont understand how talented they all are to be a professional fighter at all. I respect this segment and really educating the armchair quarterbacks that football is not easy by any means.
I feel like it’s my duty to let you guys know that you missed the biggest QB draft bust of all time… Ryan Leaf! js🤷♂ He not only completely sabotaged his career, but also his whole life.
I think he gets an unfair rap a bit. Yeah he was a bust but how much of that is how San Diego handled QBs until rivers? Back then they’d toss a rookie in and then yank him mid season rather than letting him battle through. And then they’d throw them back in. Happened in his rookie year, he was injured his second year, and then they did it again his third year before they cut him. And immediately drafted again for Brees and then did the same thing to Brees too. Luckily Brees found his way there and then went to a franchise that supported him. They drafted Rivers to replace Brees quick too but Brees fortunately improved a bunch quickly. San Diego added to this a lot back then. And he gets seen even more poorly because of the Peyton aspect. So many of these guys are examples of how if you get a better situation and support you may rise but if you don’t and you’re yanked in and out and not allowed to grow you fail. Peyton struggled a lot his rookie year but he was allowed to work through it. San Diego would’ve yanked him mid season. They just didn’t support these guys at all and sometimes part of it is recognizing what realistic chance you have to succeed. Ryan’s attitude was huge but you do wonder with a better environment that helped him and supported him what is possible because there are lots of sure things that have abysmal rookie years but when they are left to work through it they become great. Lawrence for instance. A San Diego wouldn’t have invested for him to grow like he did this year. So many guys get labeled bust without any attention paid to their environment.
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This was the most respectful “Busts” segment I’ve ever seen. Shows the difference between analysts who’ve never stepped a foot on a football field and are more than happy to throw around the BUST label and guys that have like Pat, AJ and Pac and know how hard it is.
@@tcsprynce5748
I’d play a kids game for millions, sign me up.
@@tcsprynce5748 I’d say playing a football game that lets you interact with fans and entertain millions is more honorable than murdering civilians and invading other countries under the facade of “protecting the freedoms of Americans” lmao.
@@lebumjames1373eh, honor died several decades ago
Well said.
Missed Paxton Lynch from the Broncos. 26th pick in the 2016 draft. Refused to study film and learn the playbook. Started 4 games in 3 years. Was the 3rd string by his 3rd year behind Case Keenum and Chad Kelly. He got released later that year when the Broncos got Kevin Hogan.
He then got signed and cut by the Seahawks and Steelers in 2019 and 2020.
Then he was the 4th string QB for the Saskatchewan Roughriders.
Then he was the 8th pick of the 12th round of the USFL by the Michigan Panthers.
He signed with the Guardians in the XFL in January 2023, but was benched in Week 1 and waived in April. He’s currently with the Brahmas.
As a Broncos fan I wish you wouldn’t of made me relive the Paxton Lynch experiment
Was never in Pittsburgh.
Let the man forget
He's the only player to get benched in the NFL, CFL, USFL, and the XFL :(
I guess thats something 😂🤣
@@Milliron86 as a Memphis alumnus, I wish I didn’t have to have his name attached to the school haha
After diving deeper into David Carr’s situation, almost none of those failures could be put completely on him. He was set up to fail
Yeah set to fail is horrible especially if you had wrong coaches
Dude got sacked like 200 times in 3 years. Hard to qb with an expansion O line.
He’s worse as an anylyst
Almost like wins are a team stat, and not a QB stat
David Carr was actually a decent NFL QB. He was better then decent actually. If he any protection early in his career, he would have had a really good career.
“But, if Jake Locker was to play pickup football with you, with you, with you, with me, NOT with Pac. They have done that…” incredible statement and spot on 😂😂😂
He’s an under cover dog 🐕
I wouldn’t say wentz was a total bust, the dude would have won MVP if he didn’t tear his ACL
Had a better career than RG3 thats for sure
Without Wentz then no playoffs and Super Bowl from Foles. So Wentz did good.
Foles wouldn’t been successful for a full year
Then he’d just be a midwestern Cam Newton
Wentz shouldn't be so reckless and dangerous with his play
Thanks for leaving Mitch Trubisky off the list. Every time I see Mahomes do Mahomes things, I die a little bit inside.
Idk why he was so hyped in the first place. Brother played 10 games in college. Giving me serious will levis vibes
My only solace is that there's no way Mahomes would've been able to overcome being drafted by the Bears to become what he is today.
Traded up to get him RIP
I thought Watson was the safest pick at qb that year. Mahomes for the upside. trubisky was levels below both
@@hwpo7197 Levis gives me more Carson Wentz vibes
4:41 "They didn't even know how to do lunch" is so funny and even better that it's just a throw away line and he immediately moves on
I knew a guy from college who “busted into a record book.” He got a lifetime ban from the library.
Never could get those pages apart again
My d1ck was actually in the Guiness book of world records!!
Then the librarian told me to take it out! Smh
This is the best coverage of the NFL, hands down. Love Pat and the addition of Pac-Man… good stuff
How can you forget Paxton Lynch?! Messed up my Broncos for a long time…and they moved up to take him!
Totally forgot about that bum.
Yep you’re 100% right
Yes, I remember you moved up by trading with the Seahawks. Maybe you should think twice before trading with Seattle from now on.
Messed up what? They never let him play more than 4 games. All teams miss on first rounders from time to time.
@@JustMe-vn5pqthe commentor is the team owner who made the deal? Weird they're here discussing it in RUclips comments.
We had a guy that went to our high school who was an absolute beast. His name was Tyler Gray and I believe he was all state for RB and LB. He would straight bulldozer people and had the size and speed. Got a full ride at Boise State and had a successful senior year. Got signed with the dolphins and was cut in the preseason. He was probably the most talented football player I’ve ever witnessed and he got cut. Shows how hard the NFL is
I was hugely surprised that Ryan "Crying" Leaf was not even mentioned, but then they said the list was from 2000 on only.
I know. It would have been nice to see some older busts on the list. I mentioned Leaf too. I also mentioned Rick Mirer.
@@peteywheatstraw7670, maybe as a top ten honorable mentions at least, right? lol
Leaf, Akili, Lynch, Haskins, Manuel, Gabbert, Bortles, Bradford, Ramsey, and Jameis.
@@peteywheatstraw7670art schlicter was worse than leaf
McAfee is so good at what he does! Great talker. And he's right with the humanizing sentiment: "the NFL is HARD". Love this show.
One of my favorite segments of all time on this show. It was a surprise and pleasure to watch this live. Y’all should do this more often with other positions
Putting Carson on this list is REALLY stretching the word bust here. He was on track to get MVP multiple times and was a huge contributor to the Super Bowl winning team during the regular season
I think a lot of it was Pat dosent like Carson, espically after Wentz straight up called him out during their interview.
@Jesse Deleon.. I dont remember that part. What did Wentz say to Pat?? Or at least what was it about? Cuz I never knew that part
@@GeneralBuckNaked Pat asked him about the media or something like that, and Carson said naw only the things you had said or something like that, let me see if I can find a link
Yeah exactly. He also says Carson "Technically" won a superbowl when he was having an MVP caliber season until he got injured. Dude earned his ring.
Almost being an MVP once but then being so injury prone you can’t play quality football anywhere else afterwards does make you a bust. People aren’t drafted to be one hit wonder players
Its hard to call Carson Wentz a bust when the Eagles won that superbowl in large part due to him. As an Eagles fan I think the pick was worth it with how he had us playing so dominant before Foles came in and played even better. His career wasn’t as expected but when you win a superbowl I think any pick is worth that.
No they didn't win because of him they won because of their backup quarterback and defense... what season did you watch???
@@MrGoddlie carson was the mvp frontrunner that season before he was injured
@@MrGoddlie Wentz was an mvp player and got hurt right before the playoffs. Teams were prepping to play against wentz and had 0 film on Foles. The team they beat in the Super Bowl, the patriots, are notorious for being well prepared and watching tons of film on who they are going to play against. They had a very scarce amount of film to look at, so they probably had trouble trying to replicate foles play in their practices leading up to the Super Bowl. You don’t think that was a factor
@sage Tom Brady was the front runner. And The backup won that superbowl. While Wentz played none since he's injury. He has a ring not because he won it
@@MrGoddlie and who got them there?
Rick Mirer, Brady Quinn, Tim Couch, Matt Leinart...this list could go on and on and on....
I love the dynamic the show is becoming pat is pat but has special team knowledge you never see sports shows talk about, the toxic table being a bunch of regular guys just talking ball, then some dawgs in Pac-Man,d butler, AJ, and the slew of nfl guys constantly on the show. excited for the 4th unprecedented draft spectacular. Good work boys
Man, putting Wentz in this segment is wild. The portrayal of him throughout the media seems incredibly unfair. Dude is the only one with a winning record and has a 2:1 TD/INT ratio, plus he was the runaway MVP before tearing his ACL sacrificing his body for his team. Some nasty work by the media on him
I thought this was going to be a list of Cleveland Browns drafted QBs
He was 5th overall pick for Pittsburg after three years had 86 total passing yards. Traded to Cleveland after two years had only 108 more passing yards... released.
Pickup by the Chiefs +28,000 of passing, MVP, Super Bowl victory, Hall of Fame.
Some of these players didn't have it, others might have a different career arc if they were on a different team.
EJ Manuel - 2013 16th pick to the Buffalo Bills. As a dummy, I knew instantly this wasn’t good - grew up in Virginia Beach and played at Florida State, drafted to play in Buffalo. Absolutely set the Bills back 2-3 years. 😢
I’m a Bills fan. He was a projected 5th rounder and everyone unanimously was surprised when we drafted him. Could argue he had potential, and he was steady as a human being and had a great personality…..but yeah. That’s not all it takes….because the NFL is HARD! 😂
Watching Pac Man’s reaction to Pat and Connor is the greatest addition to the show in a long time.
As a Raiders fan this is bar non the worst time of the year to be a raiders fan. Draft time.
And it's already hard ASF the other 11 months
Browns fan here. "First time"?
Chief fan here... stay in there it will be your guys time eventually
Ar15 is the answer. He can be our mahomes.
@@ChiefGore429 I’m still jelly your team hit the jackpot with Mahomes it’s not fair 😭💀
Raiders can field an All Time NFL 1st round bust team!
I appreciate this! Very great look on all this! Thank you for making this
Carson Wentz was not a bust.
As a draft pick, he was not a bust. Evaluating the entirety of his career, unfulfilled potential. The Eagles got what they needed out of him. The fact that the Colts and WFT did not, is irrelevant to his draft status.
@@michaeldoyle189 he got hurt
@Angry Vet right. He had an MVP caliber season. Got hurt. Laid the ground work for Nick Foles to win the Super Bowl. Without Wentz that year, the Eagles don't get a Super Bowl. Hard to call that a bust. He had some productive years. Some underperforming years. But as a draft pick, he's not a bust.
@Michael Doyle exactly. Unfortunately he was just never the same after that. Sad.
Wentz is Pats homer pick but not a true bust.
“… has not studied enough film, was not in there early enough..”
“WUD” hahahah Connor killin me here with that one
Sam Darnold is Top 5 MVP thru Week 4 currently…oh how a new team could change everything!
I fw this segment we need more of this 🔥
I feel sorry for Marcus Lattimore, although not an NFL bust the dude was a top running back and decided to finish his senior year at South Carolina and not go into the draft, he tore up his knee so bad he was unable to play football at the same level again.
The dude was talked about as a heisman trophy player in his senior year, then he tore his knee
South Carolina ran him into the ground tryna win games
Jahvid best was another one I wish worked out.
Lattimore reminds me of Sam Bowie just the knee never got better
Adding Bryce Love to the list. As a USC fan saw him tear up the PAC-12
The lions let Joey Harrington down not the other way around. Joey had a new coach and oc every year he was with us
Ever think he was the reason you had a new coach and OC every year? Who was the common denominator? Moving on.
@wilcee238 the owner and gm Matt Millen were the common denominator smart guy. You make it sound like the lions were so good before and after joey
It’s currently after Joey and the Lions are better. Quit crying
@@wilcee238what? The lions 15 years later are better? Ok
Brother he went 60-62 say all you want about coaching and the front office. His decision making and and lack of accuracy is why he is a bust
Ryan Leaf not being #1 is a travesty, honestly.
2000-present
Description of this vid does say "10 of the biggest draft bust QB's in NFL history". Ryan Leaf and Andre Ware should've both been included
Ryan is right behind Jamarcus or at least next to Manzell!
@Matt Young... Manzel is nowhere near as bad of a bust as Ryan Leaf!.. The ONLY person who can be mentioned with Leaf is Jamarcus.. Them 2 guys are the 1&2 combo of worst QB busts of all time
@@EverydaySupernatural ryan leaf was way better than Manziel he wouldn’t of lasted even if he wasn’t a deadbeat off the field
I ain’t even watched yet and I know #1 is raiders HOF “Mr blank tape”
He's no. 1 in QB draft busts with his Kool aide, blank tape and cheese burgers
@@Jon-oi3me Ryan leaf was a bigger bust and so is zach Wilson imo
One of the raider's coaches have jamarcus a blank tape and jamarcus said he watched it
@@willardmatsaudza3101 Jamarcus was #1 pick overall. If he was picked by anyone but the Raiders (or Browns) he's case closed biggest bust ever. As it is you've got a point with Leaf...
@@willardmatsaudza3101 Wilson is going to be the next Geno Smith.
that inspirational ass intro just to end it with “a lot of these guys are gonna suck” was HILARIOUS
Listening to the guys say, "is hard" when Pat says, "The NFL..." reminds me of the scene in Moneyball where Brad Pitt wants Jonah Hill to speak up when he points.
Who's ready for the draft spectacular!!!!! Can't freaking wait! Loved this segment!
Only the Jets can draft 2 QBs in the top 5 within 3 years of eachother, and have them BOTH be busts
😂😂 bro y’all amazing. Thank you for the great show!!
It’s crazy that Geno Smith would have been on his list, but his turnaround year in Seattle when he blew expectations as a transitional qb at best out of the water. Props to him.
Geno Smith also wasn’t a first round pick
This is one of the best pat segments ever. It's fine pointing out failure, it makes the success stories even greater imo, assuming you do it respectfully which he did.
Hope they put together draft steals also. Those sleeper picks that make a difference and change games. Would be a tremendous segment.
Seeing this now in the future when Sam darnold is 5-0 with the Vikings
Great segment! People really do forget football is very hard, and the draft is definitely a gamble. There should be a draft evaluation category for how much DAWG a guy has in him!
This is why so much of draft discourse infuriates me. People acting like they know with any certainly how good any of these guys are gonna be because of their college box scores. And they'll forget about it if they're wrong and take victory laps if they're right.
Its impossible to measure a players "Dog" 😂😂.. If that was the case, people like Kobe, Brian Dawkins, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis, Troy Polamalu etc.. These guys would ALL be Number 1 picks of their drafts, respectfully
Great segment! This was awesome to watch
Akili Smith has to be mentioned, not to highlight how awful a pick (Bungles could have taken McNabb), but to emphasize just how great and important Joe Burrow is. The Bengals are a transformed franchise, the potential for another franchise changing QB is in this draft.
Donovan McNabb had already been taken #2 by the Eagles, after Tim Couch went #1 by the Reformed Browns. Suckili Stiff (er, AkiliSmth) went #3. Of course, his failure was rendered even worse since Mikey Boy Brown vetoed the trade offer with Mike Ditka when Ditka offered his entire set of draft picks as well as the next year's 1st round pick to trade up for Ricky Williams.
Damn this just popped up for me after Darnold won his first 3 starts with the Vikings 😂
"Could always get better pac"😂😂😂😂
Growing up in SoCal, Matt Leinart was the first college QB I followed. I was around 9 when he and Reggie went on their run but getting to my teens and seeing him not be a good NFL QB was shocking to me lol.
Pacman never forgets he threw up that money sign quick lol
I'm surprised Tim Couch & Ryan Leaf didn't make this list...
Calling Sam Darnold a bust. Looks bad now lol
Sam Darnold is now killin it here in the 2024 season
Maybe JaMarcus Russell wasn’t in the best situation and had an incredible amount of pressure and expectations, but they also gave him blank tapes when they suspected he wasn’t watching film and he subsequently told the coaches he’d “watched the blitz packages.”
Now, I know these are young guys with a lot of pressure suddenly put on them, but I’d put dedication and work ethic like that more in the category of bust than guys who gave it their all and just couldn’t cut it.
he didn’t have the work ethic required to be a franchise QB in the NFL and his talent was enough to get him out of jail in games
I really feel bad for rookie QB's that are put into a terrible situation, get judged for their first year in the league, and then never get another chance. I feel like letting them sit behind a seasoned vet has proven to be a good strategy.
Sam Darnold has a reciept for ya. And Wentz backs up Mahomes now.
My favorite segment so far 😂
People’s perception of Rosen goes in a whole other direction if he just had kept it cool on draft night.
Coming out of high school, Boller was the number one rated QB in the nation:
Kyle Boller California (PAC-10) 2815 yards 28 Touchdowns 10 Interceptions Passing Effiency 126.8 (Drafted By Baltimore Ravens 19th pick 2003)
Will Levis Kentucky (SEC) 2406 yards 19 Touchdowns 10 Interceptions Passing Effiency 151.9
Anthony Richardson (SEC) 2549 yards 17 Tochdowns 9 Interceptions Passing Effiency 131.0
calling carson a bust is crazy
For real. Dude crashed hard but he was an All-Pro at one point. Definitely a disappointment but very far away from one of the biggest QB busts in history.
No it’s not. He couldn’t beat a last place team to get into the playoffs Then he stunk in Washington. He’s a total bust.
@@unc54 ye he would be the nfl version of derrick rose. but carson got injured before the season was over instead of after. he was a lock for NFL MVP
@@wilcee238 a bust is a player who does NOTHING in the NFL that was drafted with high expectations. aka ryan leaf (cool guy tho). not a guy who almost won MVP but got injured and carried a team to the playoffs the following season. who fell off after a few legitimate pro bowl seasons.
Was drafted to be a franchise QB and is not. He is a bust based on where he was drafted and those expectations.
Vince young not being on here is insane!!!!
Gotta do other positions with this segment next 💯‼️
Sam Darnold on the list of busts now in the running for MVP
The Chiefs picking Todd Blackledge at #7 when Jim Kelly and Dan Marino were still on the board. Epic bust.
John Mackovic has some responsibility for that. He tried to fit a mobile QB (Blackledge) into a stay in the pocket offense.
Pat you sound like RJ from “Over the Hedge” and it made me crack up this whole episode hahahah
I get that Pat has some Animas against Wentz. However, I'm putting RGIII on this list over Wentz. All things equal injuries both derailed their career in the beginning. But Wentz did have a better career.
Wentz started 13 games in a season he got a ring, not much a bust to me. If anything it’s kinda like calling Andrew Luck a bust
Foreal@@WeenusFartingington
@@WeenusFartingington nick foles won that ring. wentz is a bust, nick foles took that team to a super bowl and what dissents do after that with that same eagles team
rg3 had one of the biggest outlier seasons and fedex field ruined his career
carson wentz was reckless and ruined his own career
I was a huge Locker fan back in the day ... I was in my early 20s and even I knew that Locker pick was crazy I thought 2nd to 3rd but top 10 sheesh but I was happy for the guy
David Carr should have a pass imo. Expansion team and that whole team was garbage
I knew a juco wr who was a combination of Russell, Manziel, etc. He was 6-3, blazing fast, quick off the blocks and at least 36" vertical. Not unintelligent, but always paying guys off with "pharmaceuticals" to write papers etc. Had the excuse "I'm here to play football."
A physically gifted young man...Never played a down.
There's a few more USC qbs that could be on this list.
As a USC fan, i hate to admit you are right 😂
I don’t understand how Johnny Manziel even sniffs “greatest QB busts of all time”. His expectation levels were not high, he was drafted 22nd overall which is not crazy high, he was a backup to start the year. Etc. and ditto for Carson Wentz. Dude was 3 games from being an MVP for crying out loud.
Considering you don’t have guys like Blaine Gabbert, Sam Bradford, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf and Jameis Winston, all of which are top 10 picks who were absolutely awful
Despite being drafted in the virtual 2020 draft via COVID-19, Joe Burrow has been cool, calm, and connected ever since helping the Bengals rebuild into legitimate Super Bowl contenders!
Great show fellas! God bless!
*removes Sam Darnold from list*
This is like a teacher teaching the class and making them repeat to make sure they were listening lol
How is Ryan Leaf not your number 1?
Jamarcus Russell...that's why...🤣
Cryan Ryan
Cause it was QBs drafted since 2000, Ryan Leaf was 1998 I think. They didn't specify it til around the end of the video.
6:30 When pacman knows he picked off the ball on this play and holds his fingers up and rubs em 😂
Pat: Bust sounds negative and disrespectful
Pat 30 seconds later: A lot of these guys are gonna suck
😂😂
I live in South Florida, couple months ago I was driving home from work and sat behind a pickup truck at a red light and saw the damndest thing. It had a Florida State license plate that read
“C Ponder” with an older woman sat up in the drivers seat.
Now, I have no way to confirm that all these years later, that Christian Ponder’s mother still has a license plate celebrating her son on the back of her car, but if she doesn’t, that’s an outrageous coincidence.
Wait, Johnny Manziel... going #22 overall is considered a bust? How about Akili Smith, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, and etc. Guys that actually went in the top 5.
Any first rounder that doesn’t work is considered a bust.. Especially the way they perform from the very start
Eric, your totally right. This list is way too recent, some of these guys still have a chance to turn their careers around. Ryan Leaf was a way bigger bust than any of these guys with the exception of Jemarcus Russell, him and Leaf are the biggest bust of all time. imo
He was a first round pick that lasted just two seasons in the league. If that’s not a bust I’m not sure what is.
he was a first round pick that was out of the league in two years, that is an absolute bust. all the players you listed are pre 2000, this list is for 2000 and onward
Marcus Marietta and Vince Young don't forget them
This is the true breakdown we need. Not draft “busts”. The NFL is hard.
No one will ever surpass JaMarcus “Purple Drank” Russell.
'Sizzurp'
Love these segments!
Man Pat's commentary is gold. Such a beautiful blend of truth and humor. "He spained both ankles while attempting to throw a pick."😂😂
Never forget Josh Rosen said there were 9 mistakes ahead of him after being drafted at 10
Wentz literally has decent stats. Pat and the crew continues to be carl haters and doesn't talk about the defense and Jonathan Taylor literally sat on their asses the last two games and equally cost the colts a playoff spot.
Plus the game against the Bucs if im correct they didn’t run the ball
Wentz sucks…Foles won all of the important games. One hot 13 game stretch due to playing with the best roster in the nfl doesn’t exclude you from being a bust
@@stevescott3735 If you have a winning record a 2-1 touchdown ratio it would exclude you when every other bust doesn't have a winning record or they have more interceptions than touchdowns. He literally still got the team to the playoffs the next year after the superbowl with the "Randoms" that were on his team, with his team played with injuries. How'd Foles do after the superbowl? He did real good for the Colts.
Based on their parameters, they should’ve added Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota to their list
Nothing personal, but given where they were picked and how their careers panned out, they are busts. Same with Baker and Darnold.
How are Ryan Leaf, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden not here
Tim couch, cade mcknown, Matt Leonhart also
Weeden was near 30 at the time, I didn’t expect him to be a major factor and lifetime backup which he kind of was at the end and this is coming from a guy that attended Oklahoma State and loved watching him play in college.
“Sprain both his ankles while trying to throw an interception…that’s Carson Wentz” 💀💀💀
8:41 Sam Darnold the bust? 👀
@alexalexf
dude your doing this now 😂😂 gtfo
Still is lmao. 5-0 don’t mean he’s all the sudden mahomes
Having Wentz in there is hilarious and savage AF, like damn my dude he's sat on that couch and has a ring but yeah he's busted
He's not good but hardly a bust. He at least had winning seasons. A bust doesn't throw 150 tds and over 15,000 yards. Ryan leaf. Jamarcus. Johnny Football. Leinhart those guys are busts. Wentz was just over drafted and was mediocre.
Wentz hates was unwarranted
Nah
@@personreanimation yes
I wouldnt consider wentz a bust. he won a superbowl and fizzled out. he got philly to their 1st ever superbowl and had decent stats
Trey lance got a V.I.P spot on that list.
so many fans of sports dont understand that the lowest-level professional athlete in whatever sport, is miles ahead of any regular person. As a huge MMA fan you see this a lot with fighters because casuals dont understand how talented they all are to be a professional fighter at all. I respect this segment and really educating the armchair quarterbacks that football is not easy by any means.
Starts at 2:20
Great segment
Sam darnold is a guy
Lienart and Young dudes had huge hype coming in
I feel like it’s my duty to let you guys know that you missed the biggest QB draft bust of all time… Ryan Leaf! js🤷♂ He not only completely sabotaged his career, but also his whole life.
I think he gets an unfair rap a bit. Yeah he was a bust but how much of that is how San Diego handled QBs until rivers? Back then they’d toss a rookie in and then yank him mid season rather than letting him battle through. And then they’d throw them back in. Happened in his rookie year, he was injured his second year, and then they did it again his third year before they cut him. And immediately drafted again for Brees and then did the same thing to Brees too. Luckily Brees found his way there and then went to a franchise that supported him. They drafted Rivers to replace Brees quick too but Brees fortunately improved a bunch quickly. San Diego added to this a lot back then. And he gets seen even more poorly because of the Peyton aspect.
So many of these guys are examples of how if you get a better situation and support you may rise but if you don’t and you’re yanked in and out and not allowed to grow you fail. Peyton struggled a lot his rookie year but he was allowed to work through it. San Diego would’ve yanked him mid season. They just didn’t support these guys at all and sometimes part of it is recognizing what realistic chance you have to succeed. Ryan’s attitude was huge but you do wonder with a better environment that helped him and supported him what is possible because there are lots of sure things that have abysmal rookie years but when they are left to work through it they become great. Lawrence for instance. A San Diego wouldn’t have invested for him to grow like he did this year. So many guys get labeled bust without any attention paid to their environment.
@3:49 Derek Carr signed for 400 million dollars am i hearing that correct?