Liberals Lost Their Connection To The Working Class After Kennedy
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- Опубликовано: 15 мар 2019
- Jack Beatty is a veteran political commentator-journalist, author, senior editor at the Atlantic and one of the hosts on NPR On Point. I did this interview in 1989. I find him so entertaining to listen to-blunt-clearheaded-energetic. I was amazed when I found this clip just how relevant what he was talking about - President Nixon in his final days -and our current situation with our current president. I saw plenty of parallels. I hope you do as well. #trump2020 #maga #nixon #americanhistory
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This man explained my college experience. I don't come from anything fancy and I felt like an out of place townie at college. I did well enough grade wise but I had all these idiots telling me about how society and the government oppressed people but these same jack asses wanted nothing to do with me because I commuted and was lower middle class. I never belonged in university.
This was my experience too in new Zealand. :( but in high school too, the popular kids were the ones who are social justice warriors now at uni, they preach racial fairness and equality..but wouldn't have anything to do with me..ie im half European and half maori and my family are working class.
U were
Nothing like being at dinner with a bunch of people my age, 20-21, and none of them but 1, except the girl I was with, knew I was in the US Navy as an aircraft mechanic. When they found out, they acted like I had Leprosy. My career path led to an extremely lucrative career in aviation, which I still do today at 70 years old.
@@Toledo_Doodee My Dad was in the Navy for 30 years and I did 20, so we are in that vast part of the population called "Middle America". Hated by one party (Liberals) to the core and forgotten about by the other the day after their election with our votes.
TOWNIES RISE UP!
"Money from trust funds and past crimes " haha wow sums up ivy league
loki2240 that proves colleges don’t do background checks
And Trump.
That is the greatest burn I’ve heard in ages :)
Think of old man Kennedy making money bringing booze down from Canada during prohibition.
Sums up the latte drinking, avocato toast eating, Brown graduate liberal elites
My dad bought a house in 1956 for 13, 500 USD. That was then about 3 times his annual salary, as a factory worker. Small 2 bed room house in the inner city.
The same house sold last year for 800,000 USD. So devide by 3, my dad would have to make over 250,000 USD, as a factory worker to get same house today. He wouldn't be making much over 50 000 USD as a unskilled worker. There is no way he could get a loan for that house. And this is an ordinary working man's house.
@Kapt'n Peemainly a bubble
.... then gain a motherfucking skill
@@flamecranium7787 Yes. Even with 100k the ratio is way off. 100k means making more than most people and yet you would have to work more than double the time.
It's the same in Holland. Prices go up, saleries not in the same amount, or even stand sill. Tax goes up, Healthcare, on and on. Wait to the next financial crisis.
My Dad bought a 3BR Ranch with a larger detached garage (bonus work space/shop area) in '57 for $15k and he thought that was OUTRAGEOUS at the time. Now it's enough to buy a (hopefully) decent used car.
Strange how, as things change, ever they stay the same
🙃 🍺
Nihil novi sub sole.
the deeper you go the less change you see
My grandpa was born and raised in 1940s-50s Dallas and retired from truck driving (i.e. a working class job) after decades. He always used to say that "(he) didn't leave the Democratic Party; the Democratic Party left (him)." Times change.
As if the absolutely psychopathic and authoritarian views of the current right wing are better?
Omg this is exactly what I always say about liberals in America. I’m from DC but my extended family always lived in North Carolina, then we moved there when I was in high school. Every liberal I’ve ever known has been rich and lives completely far removed from any of the minorities they wish to “save”. I come from a working class family and my friends were always poor / lived in government housing. The last thing I believe they need is handouts. I saw my friends parents live off their welfare checks, smoke cigarettes with the windows up with their kids, hit their kids. I completely believe that the best thing you can do for impoverished people is motivate them to prosper on their own. But poverty is bigger than all of us. The worst thing is how modern day liberals make it seem so obvious and black and white, when it’s a very nuanced issue.
Very well said
David, I dropped out of high school approximately a fourth grade academic aptitude.
High School in the 1970s was filled with hard drugs.
Despite my mediocre academic skills, I elevated my professional career to executive level through my athletic endeavors in BMX racing and mountain bikes.
David your documentaries are absolutely fascinating and so helpful to help me understand American society.
The complexity of this issue - and our inability as a culture to grasp that complexity - is what has perpetuated the issue to this day.
You want the masses to grasp complexity? Let me know how that goes. Nuance isn't dead, it's a figment of your imagination.
@@jasondashneyif the media wasn’t bought and sold then maybe we could form our own opinions more naturally.
David, everything you produce is a deep reflection of our great american culture. Thank you for the historical context. Much of it should be required viewing in our universities.
Thank you for noticing Gerard.
David Hoffman - filmmaker
Agreed
I agree, love your stuff as a Canadian who has a big heart for America.
I couldn't agree enough. A major problem with our culture is that Americans don't know their history. Operating on this deficit leads to many errors in judgment.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker thx for this and every other post of yours!
This is how I sound when I'm most lucid and talking at my best. And then I think "I wish someone heard that"
Please become a subscriber, Shawn. Then watch my videos and then make a video on yourself or someone you know. I welcome the opportunity to hear you talk and probably others will as well. All it takes is a bit of courage.
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This is how I sound in my own head, but it never comes out sounding as eloquent.
People talked that way a lot back then. It's astonishing how much people read books 50 years ago and now the average person doesn't.
Listening to this guy makes me miss when NPR was an informative and engaging media outlet....
I used to listen to NPR several hours a day. However, I completely stopped listening about 6 years ago. NPR has turned into a cesspool of out-of-touch elitist woke racist ideology.
Is it not?
@@lookbovine yes, NPR is no longer informative.
Ahh...good times...
The last time I listened was the very late 1990's.
These interviews give a great perspective on the evolution of social trends.
Mr. Hoffman, your interviews are incredible. They are authentic, raw and personable. I have watched dozens of them. And I learn something new with each one. There is a palpable sincerity in them that I adore. There is something very simple yet powerful about just listening to someone speak and hearing their stories. Thank you for doing this work. It’s needed now more than ever.
Thank you Chris. And I have to say, I do not disagree with your evaluation of what you are watching. I may not be the only person who can do it, but I am one of the few who can-that level of authenticity which is critical I believe to being successful in the RUclips world. Inauthentic people I believe just don't work especially with the millennial audience.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker i think that is because ordinary people are tired of fake people. millennials have much more exposure to fake people than previous generations because of the internet and eventually everyone gets tired of it
OMG this is today. I thought today was an anomaly.
@@loki2240 The true Vietnam generation is sitting in your classrooms. The US in my eyes has been in a permanent state of civil war since forever and likes to spread its madness all over the place. Exporting weapons, fighting and causing wars just for the sake of madness and productivity at the cost of human lifes.
That's why history is so important.
@@paulgoogol2652 is that why we also invent everything in the modern world cars computers rockets all us we made and invent everything
@@thewildcardperson it’s depressing that people thumbed up his absolute bullshyte
@@BlookbugIV yup exactly lol everything I said was true we invented all of it nuclear power to and electricity
Jack was way ahead of his time. Phrases he uses are still being used today, and his ideas still hold true.
Thank you David. You’re making a difference and adding value to the world.
at 4:00 , on McCarthy , he says that M was not a "serious man" and that "he did not know what was ar stake " M claimed that there was a communist infiltration into the US gov't . See the Venona Intercepts. Harry Dexter White was a spy for Uncle Joe Stalin
It’s even more apparent today than ever.
*_LIBERALS AREN'T REPRESENTATIVE OF CLASSICAL LIBERALISM._*@@loki2240
Secondhand Sampler I mean the “elitist social issue” he was talking about was the civil rights act soo...
dumb comment lol
@@wauliepalnuts6134 BINGO
Lol based on what? One election cycle? Such devotion to a Federal analysis avoids its obvious contradiction at the state and local levels. Show me where within the 88000 local govts where your point makes any sense
He is spot on. I didn’t realize this until recently
This message still matters now. Thanks for this good interview.
This man just described the genesis of everything I disdain about liberals
The bottom line is that the Democratic Party lost southern whites to the Republican Party when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act. Those same Republicans today are the white nationalists supporting Trump and using “law and order” and cynical criticism of Black Lives Matter to beat back the brown demographic tide. MAGA is code for keeping America white. It’s always been about race in America and Republicans are still on the wrong side of it.
zzzzz cuck incel
One thing I observed in my 49 years on this planet; is that both (Dem/Rep) left and right, love to print off more money. Where they differ is where to spend it.
That is sage wisdom...
Oh how the pendulum swings.
Excellent observation.
So you mean right and right
@@myratsalad Bush was a good example, if you truly believe in scaling back the government the Republican party isn't the one to jump on. Everyone touts Republicans as great for the economy but cutting back on taxes every time you take office is only half the equation no one ever cuts down spending.
As a libertarian I can tell you our answer isn't to great either because it leads to lots of idiots killing eachother and that's cutting all the welfare and excess government agencies. (Historically proven to work in our country) but at a cost I remember when one of the states cut off its food stamps, for a week crime skyrocketed and there were riots for a couple days, but you're naive if you think someone in the government telling you they're cutting taxes means you're saving money isn't taking from elsewhere.
The only exception to that from recent times was Trump he cut taxes and stopped our debt from climbing for his first 2 to 3 years and that's because he cut regulations across the board which is another part of the equation. Most issues in the American market stem from regulations
The -news- propaganda has been touting that money isn't real so printing what we "need" is not only expected, it's to be encouraged. I've read about the effects of this in history, but I've never seen it live.
We are seeing the same thing In Britain.
I'm from a working class family I'm still working class as 17 year old and for the first time ever my mum voted for the conservatives infact nationally the working class shifted to the conservatives.
Simply the left have collapsed. The working class have had enough.
The same conservative who've been wrecking the NHS and killing disabled people in swathes by suicide for 10 years, what working class heroes they are.
Jordan Day that’s what happens when Labour the party of the working class, abandoned them completely and started to look down upon them.
Brexit is Britons version of the southern strategy, where people vote against their own economic interests due to their prejudice. Plus New labour was not a working class party, it was conservative lite.
@@yester9037 what prejudice when my whole family including myself is Black. And have family in Europe. People who backed Brexit included some non whites. It's not for the most part a prejudice thing but not having control or having our views listened to. Yes there's minorities but this is different here. Do u even live in the UK. If not u shouldn't making judgements.
@@ay613 Black and ethnic minorities can often be more xenophobic or racist than white people, as they have similar attitudes to yourself.
It's partly why Trump and Bernie Sanders went so well with working class people. They spoke to their frustrations with the neoconservatives and the neoliberal duopoly and how indifferent and vain their hold on the government has become. They serve corporate interests first and the public last. Corporations concentrate wealth more and more while the working class gets squeezed and is left with less and less. Kennedy was the last person in earnest to run on passing Universal healthcare and wanting to go after the banks. Everyone since has either folded or worked with the banksters and their criminal friends in wallstreet. These buggers deserve the gallows.
The way you film these interviews, the dark background and the music, all add up to the great atmosphere. Thanks!
The title is weird -- every liberal policy he speaks of was Johnson's, who WAS after Kennedy. The problem for Boston liberals was that Johnson WAS not only working class, but Texan -- for which they could never forgive him.
Johnson might have had humble origins, but he wasn't working class. And true liberals saw him as disingenuous in his liberalism, it was just for political advantage, like the escalation of the Vietnam war. No person that truly wants to help the downtrodden sends thousands of their young sons to die in an unnecessary war.
The point he's trying to make is that after Kennedy, the liberals didn't care what Johnson's Democratic Party did -- they just didn't like it. Johnson doesn't get credit for making the Great Society happen because of how he handled the war. Combine that with the general disdain for his humble origins and his Southern background, and boom -- you get a liberal class that is unconcerned with matters of material wellbeing. Kennedy was the last period where they cared about that.
Johnson was a racist as it came, he has beeen quoted in saying many extremely racist things. Johnson realized he could get the minority vote at extremely high percantages by simply pretending to pander to them, which is a Democrat strategy to this day
@@kevinmahoney1995 I think they attempted it with Carter through Dukakis somewhat. Kept losing. Obama kind of came from nowhere and left a vacuum. And they thought that status quo crap was gonna win with Hillary. Biden would of lost if it wasn't for him not being Trump, big money put him in there. They can't get anything together.
He's speaking of Liberals in the 80's and such but you could be forgiven for thinking he was speaking of modern day ones too
Reminds me of an exchange of dialogue in Martin Scorsese's 'The Aviator' between Howard Hughes and the family of Katherine Hepburn:
'Oh -- we don't speak of money around here, Mr. Hughes.'
'That's because you HAVE it.'
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Best comment section on this video 🙏✌ Scorsese classic
Stunningly clear and prescient. Thanks so much.
Wow this guy knew the future.
Just now viewing this. I appreciate his blunt demeanor and incisive assessment. 👍 Definitely food for thought. The democratic and republican parties are two wings on the same bird. The way he defined liberals is stellar.
I feel like it applies to the modern establishment democrats, the Hillary vs. Bernie conflict brought that to the front
Thank you for putting out another banger! It seems you always know when I'm bored and craving something to watch! Until next time...
I wish I had a million potential viewers like you Laura.
David Hoffman filmmaker
You’re too sweet, thank you! ❤️
I always noticed how all these liberals on tv telling me to vote democrat are well off mostly all millionaires. Huh weird
and trump isn't?
@Deos He was a registered Democrat until he decided to make his Presidential run.
@Deos millionaires
Funny, same people in this comment section praising this guy were calling him an NPC in the other video. Not to mention the fact that this video is as least 3 decades old and they thought he was talking about Trump.
They didn't think he was talking about Trump. They saw parallels to Trump. That is YOUR misunderstanding.
There's a flavor of editorializing in the hashtags.
herishmerish Showing that things change but remain the same. He could be talking about now.
It's still cherry picking.
Do you mean trump to Nixon because only then is there similarity( trump is not at all a liberal)
I just love your pieces of history. Thank you.
Great interview. He's well spoken but awfully jaded.
This guy nails it!
Hey Mr Hoffman I hope this day finds you well. Trustfunds and old crimes. That sounds about right. You have a fantastic channel I'm so glad I found it. I'm learning so much. Many many thanks 💖👍
My Dad's family comes from Tennessee and my mom's family comes from North Carolina. My Dad's side immigrated here during WW2 and my mom's side came here after The Revolutionary War. Both sides are 100% Blue Democrat. I'm 29 and I'm not aligned with either party. I actually believe modern Democrats do far more damage than modern Republicans, but both sides are gravely flawed. This man speaks the truth that the Democrat Party died with Robert Kennedy and JFK. So many people refuse to believe this and they blindly vote Democrat believing that the party is working class as they are, which is not true at all. People like Obama graduated from Harvard and always had lots of money.
Liberals are not the left. They have conventionally tried to present themselves as a centrist ideology mediating between the arbitrary power of the royalists and elites on the right, and the underclass of workers and radicals on the left. But liberals have alwsys been the paid pawns of power, just as the conservative right has always tried to present itself as a popular option against the bourgeoisie that employs them. These two ideologies function in just the same way, only one thinks that all we need to do to make capitalism bearable is give rights to women and homosexuals so they can be exploited just like everybody else.
@@ZeranZeran clearly you don't know anything about history, political philosophy, or the meaning of political designations. Your reality is infused with ideological propaganda that is invisible to you because you don't know anything beyond the tip of your nose.
@@ULTRAOutdoorsman I didn't say they were irrelevant, I said they're a ruse to genuflect toward the virtues of freedom, justice, and inequality, which have their real conditions in the substance of economic and political power. The left isn't the liberal parties that preach tolerance and identity. The left is that broad amalgam of political theory and practice that addresses these contradictions at the fundamental level of material life, labour, private property, war, environmental devastation. Identity politics and condescension towards the working class are liberal in brand, and the left is not liberalism.
zeranzeran No the old guard liberals viewed and were viewed as more centrist then anything. Even the progressive movement was a centrist movement. They slowly moved more left and adopted more socialist policies. The correct saying should have been liberal WERENT left. Now they are. In fact I would say true liberalism is dead.
As if that's a bad thing.
That's not even true but ok.
Very relevant today. It seems gender is the #1 issue for the democrats. Jobs and standards of living are somewhere near the bottom.
1:48 - yeah, about immaterial stuff, immaterial ideals: money actually does buy happiness and purpose, if you make under a certain amount of money. At these levels, money allows you to put food on the table, pay rent, not live in the hood, pay for your kids' food, education, etc. Love of money isn't inherently bad, it's what you want that money for.
In Pittsburgh, black unemployment was not an issue when Andrew Carnegie ran the steel industry. Blak and white worked harmoniously together, each making good greens from their grsteful employer. Black unemployment began with labor unions, and bosses who decding who would and who wouldn't work that day. The idea that blacks and unions went together was a political lie.
Very, very relevant today. Thank you, David.
David, I hope there are people out there these days who, like you, record and catalog all these wonderful interviews from a cross-section of Americans on a myriad topics. Thank you. Please pass your passion for this on to someone who can carry the baton.
Whatever issues our nation had back then, politics has become much more toxic and polarized now.
Thank you David, I like these interviews. They are decent well-spoken people and they give a fascinating insight into the American past. I learn so much from them.
Liberal or Conservative, the Government hasn't represented Working Class people at least since the Kennedy days, and really since FDR.
And Reagan was more than happy to claim the working class.
Mickey yea a lot good that did with his so called trickle down theory
Reaganomics literally killed the middle class and led the economic crisis...
@@nick.4.
Its not that simple.
@@soyboy3833 ...it kinda is
@@nick.4. Do you have proof of that? The biggest reason the middle class is dying is because the middle class is getting to rich to be middle class. www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/middleclass1.png
"Their all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same"
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Hey right now a trailer looks good to me! Boy my parents were snobs.
Excellent. Thanks.
Thanks for bringing these videos to a new audience. They're great with so much clarity and relevance to today. (auto corrected)
Thomas Frank and Chris Hedges touch upon this as well.
And nothing has changed. The problem is even more acute in 2019.
Watching this in 2020 is eerie.
Suggested correction on your title;
the Dems did not "lose" anything! They made a deliberate choice to abandon unions / working class.
Not being critical of you personally David but being a former member of the Steel Workers Union I have a respect / distain relationship with the Democratic Party!
Unions ain't no good
The GOP hates unions and allows 1% to keep us from having them. Im in texas...republican as hell and hardly any union jobs.
@@xpxpe5645 who lied to you
@@xpxpe5645 only dems work for the railroad then...right. 🙄 You get an extra $10 a week but loose you home owner tax deduction. Miss me with the bs
"And it showed how moral issues had become paramount to American liberals; they had lost touch with material life." This is a remarkable insight, even if Beatty does go on to qualify it in liberal snob/working class slob terms which I find problematic: there's no reason why a working person without a bachelor's degree couldn't feel personal revulsion at, say, racial oppression in the South in the 1960s, if only because of a little there-but-for-the-grace-of-God twinge. "Morality" as a luxury item, however, is one of modern liberalism's more insidious legacies, precisely because it's discretionary rather than something felt in the gut, and because it's discretionary, a person could just as easily choose to drop it when it becomes inconvenient, e.g., when buying a house, when voting, when calling 911.
I think his (excellent) point goes deeper. The left became superstitious. Instead of framing ALL problems as material, which all problems are, the left descended into the abstract hell of searching in vain for solutions within immaterial/non-existent spheres. Whereas the old left was intellectual, scientific, and much concerned with solving problems logically and empirically, a typical modern college student with a "leftist" bent is more likely to own a healing crystal than organize for universal healthcare or be conscious of the need for President Obama's neuroscience "Manhattan Project" initiative, for example. The new left is a radical religion based mainly on ephemeral moralizing and the legitimization of demographics politics and contradictory cultural equality, not a serious political entity. Hence, only slow and anarchic progress being made by others for the suffering, and no effective leadership whatsoever.
@@johannpopper1493 The "left" is not monolithic any more than the "right" is. In fact, these aren't very helpful labels at all and conceal both real divisions and real commonalities. I would argue that the political class (which is comprised largely of elite professionals on both sides) like to keep the dialogue at that level because it makes for easy blood sport. 60s generation New Agers may have bought into healing crystals, but back then the idea of universal healthcare was so remote that, well, why not crystals? Anyway, your depiction of today's (Democrats? college students? BLM activists?) as serving a radical religion doesn't map anything I've seen the last few years. The only radical religion out there right now is Trump-inflected evangelicalism, which does indeed pose a serious threat to intellectual and scientific problem-solving.
@@TheRealGnolti Trumpism was a response to the far-left ideals that have propogated the mainstream. Definitions have been changed and the goal posts are perpetually shifted. Racism has a new definition, bigotry has a new definition, all struggles stem from class hierarchies. Post-modernism and cherry picked marxism have become mainstream, but half of the country doesn't beleive in it. Truthfully many on the left don't agree either. For extreme leftists it is progress, it is enlightenment. For conservatives/right-wing/centrists/old fashioned liberals it's gaslighting as they are told by the collective media and culture that they are bad people for holding beliefs that used to be the cutting edge of morality.
@@K0sm1cKid Morality is one of the most changeable things in any society, as shown by how enthusiastic many people are for Trumpism itself, which is by definition nihilistic, cynical, and not at all "moral" in any traditional sense. Once upon a time, "old fashioned" Americans would have been appalled at a person like Trump. Embracing Trumpism because you reject so-called post-modernism (an empty academic term that has had its day) is a classic case of overcorrection. You're just trading one set of dumb ideas for another.
@@TheRealGnolti "You're just trading one set of dumb ideas for another." - so you DO admit that your ideas are just as dumb. Got it.
and you're not doing any better. You are the very type of person Mr. Beaty is referring to, and you are one of the reasons why bigotry will never cease: even if we ARE able to eradicate it you or someone like you will come along and change/redefine what it actually is. You are also the type of person that brought about the rise of Trump, and you will help bring about the rise of a Trump 2.0.....only the problem with that is that unlike the Orange Blossom Dufus this person(whoever Trump 2.0 may be) will more than likely know what they're doing.
Jesus, H! I nearly had to pull over until my amazement passed. This guy is describing the problems the EXACT same problems that the Democratic have to this day, 50 GD years later.
They've no one to blame but themselves. That was yet another era for change. A challenge to be embraced not shirked. And it seems like finally they're weak enough that they will have to bend to public opinion, instead of serving the rich and powerful.
Exactly.
An eagle has a left wing and a right wing, but one head. It's all a charade for the masses..
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"A strand of hope in scenes of pillage and destruction" - Beautiful words. Where are our political commentators who can speak with such level-headed poetry today?
well spoken and well said
These videos are seriously addictive!
While I agree with him about the Liberal "Shift" to upper-class sensibilities, I think it was inevitable given Nixon's influence and just the underlying provincial worldview of the working class. The working class has always possessed an urgent pragmatism that resisted expansion and incorporation, especially regarding demography and values--hell, the working class will tell you that their values are what keeps them afloat more than hard work! The Liberals were talking about expanding the range of values and the amount of inclusion--ostensibly to include *everybody* in the benefits of the Civil Rights Movement--and the working class showed that they had little-to-no interest in doing so. They were already flocking to the re-branded Republican Party in droves over social issues they felt were too permissive and lax, and race was just one of them: gender and sexual orientation and religion were among the others.
The working class in America has always been very socially conservative, even if they've endorsed liberal political actions and policies. I think the Liberal Shift Beatty is mentioning here was inevitable given how the working class would have reacted to the idea of African-Americans, women, homosexuals, atheists/other, and mixtures of all of those being given equal status in their fields.
I can't but find your comment contradictory and wrong.
Saying that the working class endorsed liberal political actions and policies and on the other they are against given minorities equal status in their fields, not against special treatment like "positive discrimination". That is a clear contradiction and actually an insult.
A Democratic senator said literally: "Men need to shut up" and wasn't criticised by Democrats, and it is a controversy in the Democratic party now to have a white male as a candidate. What is your view? White male working class have to vote for this for not to be called against minorities? For me that would mean they don't have any self respect left.
@@mauherkan You're mixing time periods here. I was talking about early-to-mid-20th-Century, which is what this video is about.
And I think history has shown my statement to be accurate to a large degree. The working class overall loved New Deal programs because they saved them from being devastated by The Great Depression, and the GI Bill and several post-War programs were very progressive in what kind of relief they gave. But that same working class didn't want African-Americans moving into their neighborhoods, working at their jobs, and voting in their elections. Other minorities--religious, ethnic, sexual, etc.--most especially WOMEN, were not welcome to share in these opportunities because--again, socially conservative workers--felt these people were below them and didn't want them placed on equal footing.
@@Theomite
Okay, I understand want you mean now. Nevertheless, ultimately they decided to give equal rights to minorities. It's a democracy, they are the demos. I think you are right, they are socially conservative, but that doesn't mean anti-equality, it means family values, what you would expect in a situation where the opposite guarantees poverty.
When man have the vote, they will be decisive in the matter of womens votes. When whites have the vote in blacks voting rights.
I understand how you think. You think materially, for me that is just in terms of special interests. But social conservatives, like any group, should not be defined as *against* something, and actually believe in national or spiritual values.
@@mauherkan It could be argued that if your family values hold people in different worth because of gender, age, skin color, etc., that it *is* anti-equality because everybody's merits are placed on a scale with yourself at the top and everybody else somewhere beneath. And with that top position, the power to control their agency.
@@Theomite I just like to say that you're very polite.
Family values in my view historically mean to priorities not the individual but the family, raising children, dependability, service. Yes, if you talk about specific gender roles, man are given a leadership position generally. But I really want to emphasize that genuinely duty and service are often prioritized, not rights. It makes me depressed to only think in terms of power and rights, who has it? how are we gonna get it? don't you?
Very interesting POV Thx for the video.
Absolutely. And it's alive today. Still. Focus on the working people.
Wow that was an awesome interview
This guy is right on the money.
I have a "racist" uncle, (in terms of the archetype not in actuality) and he's always going off about how Democrats aren't the party of Kennedy anymore. The rest of our family is traditional blue collar liberal catholics, but he turned conservative twenty years ago when he became a born again christian. I myself have had a similar conversion in the past year; Its not that I was niave or idealistic before; but I felt the democratic policy was at least somewhat genuine in its policy choices; while the republicans were more cynical and self serving. I now see the republicans as the rational choice; democrats have been taken over by race hustlers and radicals who want to tear down the system without any regard for what happens next.
What prompted your conversion?
Conversion is a strong word. Lets just say I was convinced that Trump was the more responsible and reasonable choice.
@@ktoth29 I’m with you on your reason but conversion is your word , not mine.
@@timbrady6473 I know, I edited myself
Both sides have lost their connection, anyone believing that one side is good, and the other bad is the reason we have been duped, it's that very belief that allows us to be divided, conquered. and controled.
This is so relevant for today! I love your interviews and more people need to see them! Very insightful thank you!
I was born in the mid 70's and have no experience of Nixon. I've heard all the stories and was raised as most are to view Nixon as a horrible president. However the current diversion hysteria over Trump makes me wonder now about whether the view toward Nixon was also possibly driven by similar hysteria? Is there any correlation? Or was Nixon truly all they say he was?
Its a mix of Vietnam (Cambodian/Laos bombing campaign especially) and Watergate.
@@YouCanCallMeReTro The attempt to leave South Vietnam as a 'viable' ally like South Korea, made the war drag on (with lots of casualties) to negotiate a 'peace with honor'; In addition Nixon launched major efforts against the North Viet sanctuaries in 'Neutral' Laos And Cambodia to buy more time of the South, so there was faux outrage at the 'spreading of the war'.
They ain't the party of JFK anymore.
Everything truly moves in circles and cycles. What once was, will be again. And so it goes.
Thank you for your work and publishing all the videos you have. It's a rare opportunity to follow the spirit of the time, culture and understanding
3:40 is spot on lol now there kids are rushing to live in the city 🌃
I love that David tagged Trump 2020 with this video, I'm finding myself watching his channel just fascinated with the context some of these 30 or 40 year old interviews give to modern concerns.
I tagged both Trump and Biden.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker Sir, I think you only tagged Trump2020. At least that's what appears on my phone.
Some are still undecided today...amazing
Excellent interview. I was just finishing HS and entering college. This interview was profound and enlightening. Thanks for posting this wonderful gem.
This guy speaks like the stoic philosophers of old. His words shout out through time and his advice still seems to hold true. Goodness.
Cameras are simple, lighting is easy, but getting someone to sit under the lights in front of the camera and tell their life story with such naked honesty -- that is the hard part. And yet you (and they) do it.
Thank you. There is more to it than meets the eye. I appreciate that you appreciate that.
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@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker I've watched many of your videos over the last 2 years, and the best summary I can offer is this: you're panning for human gold. Much of our history is just dust and junk, but we all know there are hidden gems there. Greetings from Australia.
I finally found something I can relate to. What a relief.
This brings back memories.
Liberals meaning American Liberals..... In Australia "Liberals" counterpart is called Labor party, Australian Liberals are more like Republican... Having said that, the labor party formerly supporters of the working class, has also lost touch with the working class.
True too in Western Europe, where Social Democrats are on a historic low.
I call them leftists. I refuse to call authoritarian leftists (a.k.a. Neo-Stalinists, Neo-Maoists, Collectivists, Commies, etc.-- all different words for the same thing)--
I refuse to call them liberals. I'm a liberal. More specifically, I'm a libertarian that votes Republican, because I'm a pragmatist, not an idealist.
I want Democrats to lose at all costs, because the fate of the country is at stake (with all that debt just sitting there, waiting to crash the economy in a way that would make Black Tuesday blush). And that means voting Republican until the foreseeable future. We're on life support. These morons are sitting there, complaining about trigger words and shit, and we're just a few mistakes away from turning the entire country into Detroit! Idiot fucking leftists with their head in the clouds!
And for all the foreigners rooting for our collapse, our economy is yours, too. When our economy collapsed in 1929, it took down the rest of the world and became the flint to ignite WWII.
The Versailles -Punishment- "Treaty" was the steel.
The working class? I was part of the working smashed.
Well said!
These videos are fascinating! So much historical context coming out of them.
Thank you Ryne for your comment. If your resources allow, I would sure appreciate your using the THANKS button under any of my videos including the one you have commented on. It is something new that RUclips is beta testing and would mean a great deal for my continuing efforts.
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Wow, he is spot on about liberals. This is exactly how they are today.
remember after korea rep. have started all the wars.
Excellent piece of history. This is powerful. I've seldom heard anyone boil it down so well. I'm a liberal of the FDR/JFK mold. Working class. My great grandparents were Jewish immigrants from Russia, the Ukraine and Poland. My family still vote Democrat, but we have our party drift more and more from the working class and more to an elite utterly detached, not only from the world of physical, blue collar labor, but the world of white collar labors as well, as an elite inheritor class with an East and West Coast elitism clamp down on the party. I'm not the only American who sees it this way. So do a lot of Americans who voted for Trump. I supported Bernie in the primary, just as I did in '16. I voted begrudgingly for Biden because I had a stronger distaste for Trump, although I understand the reasons for his popularity are a lot more complex than the Democratic Party makes it out to be. When the Dems point "racism" as the only appeal of Trump they are missing a bigger picture. Trump, a billionaire, himself from the most elite of backgrounds, was better able to connect with the working class in 2016 than Hillary, who came off as very elitist in attitude. She demonstrated a Marie Antoinette "let them eat cake" attitude aloofness when she called Trump's supporters a "basket of deplorables". Well, the "deplorables" latched on to this barb and wore it as a badge of honor. For the Democrats to win in the long term, and do it as a party with the moral upper hand, they have to listen to the people who are hurting, not Wall Street. Clinton and McAuliffe opened the floodgates to Wall Street in '92. When they brought in Summers, Rubin and company, this signalled to Wall Street that they have a healthy perch in the Democratic Party structure. Under Bill Clinton came more deregulation than Reagan and co. could ever dream of achieving. I'm glad Biden is pushing for the $15 minimum wage. But it still puts us third in the world in terms of the standard lowest wage allowable by law. We have a long way to go to set things right for the working class and poor, and the working poor. We have a LOT of working poor in this country. Id' say the overwhelming majority of poor adults WORK. They just don't make a living at it. We have a long way to go because of how far we fell behind. We should be ahead of the game. Instead, we're being played by the Democratic Party, more often than not. I hope Biden pushes for Medicare For All, but by all accounts, he promises nothing more than a return to Obamacare, a failure funded by the individual mandate. I suspect that if Obamacare is challenged once more to SCOTUS, it will get knocked down for good, especially given the current makeup of the court.
It’s sobering to connect the dots between the Nixon era and today. Environmental protection and regulation also improved under Nixon, which would be encouraging to see return.
This is so relevant today
That title. I live in a working class community. Everyone I know is liberal.
There is social liberal, then there is economic liberal. Both are not mutually exclusive and both are not mutually inclusive either.
Yes but would you say that your community is reflected within the liberal party?
Are you sure???? Do not believe you.
They'll grow out of it.
as a libertarian socialist i wish that democrats were the radical communists and anarchists that right wing propaganda makes them out to be but sadly they're far from anything like that
@@croatiangambler8059 check out the libertarian socialism wiki page, i'm a fan of people like noam chomsky and murray bookchin, you could also call it anarcho-communism but communist/socialist is fine for me too, from my point of view when marx said communism is a classless/stateless/moneyless society in which the working class have democratic control over the economy this society is antithetical to the state (i mean he did say stateless), i'm opposed to marxism-leninism in that i think the state structure as well as single party states create another kind of ruling class of bureaucrats, my ideal society would be a democratic confederalist one like abdullah ocalan talks about in which we have councils made up of elected and immediately recallable delegates representing local areas, regional areas, continental areas, as well as other groups like unions where the delegates of which are controlled via direct democracy by every person in society, so for me the USSR was really state capitalism, they still had currency, they still had wage labor, they had commodities, they had a ruling elite made up of party members who of course became corrupt when given power and they certainly had a brutal and oppressive state, people still had the surplus value created by their labor extracted from them except instead of going to benefit a ceo or executive it went to the state which claimed to act on behalf of the people but really only existed to maintain, expand and perpetuate it's own power on behalf of the party leaders, i think it's a huge tragedy that the failings of the 20th century 'communist' revolutions have tainted the name so that people associate it with totalitarian state regimes when really marx talked about a society in which every person had power at their workplace and in politics and the individual freedom to do whatever they want unbound from struggling for basic material needs
Look what all these words have become very complex due to the want to fulfil political desires. you can never ever be libertarian and socialist at the same time. it is impossible. why? because libertarian means reducing the power of the government as much as possible socialism on the other hand are much reliant on the government hierachy. sorry i do not believe in so called intellectuals as they are now destryoing our education institutions.
@@lionkiller900 lenin is and was regarded at the time to be a right wing deviation, the original and true conception of communism has always been a stateless society, true socialism is democracy at every level, from your work to however you choose to organize society, workers councils, trade unions, communes etc, i'm a communist so i believe in a stateless society
@@Riotdrone what the bloody fuck? a right wing deviation?
well these form of control on the socity needs a form of government power. so yes they are all socialism be it communism or democratic socialism, etc.
lionkiller900 yes within marxism lenin is considered to be a right wing deviation and frankly a conservative or a straight up counter revolutionary, lenin crushed the trade union movement, he stripped power from the worker’s councils and he destroyed the anarchist movement and concentrated power in the state which communist theorists back to marx have advocated for dissolving
the term ‘libertarian’ means something completely different to americans today than it does or has in the rest of the world or the past
i recommend watching the video on here called ‘noam chomsky on leninism’ if you want to understand a bit about what i’m talking about i’d interested to hear your thoughts
communism is a society structured around the common ownership of the means of production and the direct participation of everyone in the political process as well as the abolition of social class, money and the state
thanks great video i hope as latin america everything works very well for your wonderful people
This is an incredible time capsule of information.
David, is this man still alive? You need to interview him again. He's brilliant
Yes he is still alive and still a journalist.
@@DavidHoffmanFilmmaker that's very good to hear!
They lost this union member
David, these videos are so dope! Great work bud
Thanks for sharing!
I used to see Nixon as a bad guy and Humphrey as OK, but a machine democrat. This was still when I was moved by the democrat mantra: we're not great but the other side's worse. Looking at Nixon's talks today, he seems a lot smarter now than when I was in my twenties.