@@alfatangel8614 if you’re bulking and your pull up number is the same, that’s progress. I only do pull ups once a week. I do them weighted and with a wide grip. I then do a max attempt once a month.
Youre telling me xD its extremely difficult to train up to doing 1 pull up sets at 280lbs Im not one to give up, especially since im almost less than 40lbs away from doing it on the assisted pull up machine. Come tomorrow ima try 25 or 30lbs
Sensible advice. Weighted 5 rep pullups worked for me, 2 sets to failure, followed by a set of unweighted pullups to failure, and then being on a slight cut. If you can do 5 reps put the weight up next set.
Weight loss, increase your hand strength, and do more core work. I’ve also noticed doing lat pull downs made me worse at pull-ups because I was relying on the pad to keep me down to pull the weight instead of going through my natural motions.
The point of lat pull downs is to strengthen those muscles not to necessarily feel like a pull up. The pad is there for people who can control intense weight that would just lift them up if they stopped engaging their muscles or fatigued throughout their set. Lower the weight, control the rep down and let it stretch you on the way up. If you think it’s effecting your ability to do pull ups instead of building it then you’re likely doing the exercise incorrectly.
Any advise on how to increase pullup/shoulder strength when you have a rotator cuff issue (or maybe a good alternative exercise). I currently avoid pullups like the plague because of it and feel it makes my upper back development much weaker.
Two things that helped for me were: 1. Taking horizontal rows very seriously since that upper back strength carries over nicely to pullups. A classic progression into the pull up is the inverted row. 2. Slower eccentrics, especially at the bottom where I ease slowly into the stretch at the bottom. Your pull up reps will most likely drop, which is honestly a good thing since it keeps you from doing too much too quickly.
If Pull ups are really a no go, then go and do rows. Yes, yes I know they are NOT the same exercise as a pull up/chin up. But they do also work the lats even if not as effectively. I mean what else are you going to do? Not train at all? That's not an alternative. But if Pull ups really totally destroy your shoulders, the best thing you can do, are rows. Even if they will not as effectively work your lats they are still a part of it.
I damaged my rotator cuff doing pullups. What worked for me was not doing any pullups for a few months while training my rotator cuff with face pulls. I also found that neutral grip was a lot better, so i introduced them before any other variation
It is fundamental that you stretch too, I had rotator cuff pain when I was benching and it went away when I started stretching 1.stand in front of the barbell on the squat rack 2.Put both hands on it 3.lean your torso forward until it is at the same height or lower than the barbell 4.Rotate your hip to the side so you end up looking north with the front of your hips while your arms are directly to one of your sides (East or West ,where the barbell that you are holding is is) This is actually a lat stretch but when I did it with left shoulder rotator cuff pain it killed me to do it and I immediately felt better, after around 3 or 4 days I was benching with almost no trouble.
Im doing a progression. Scapular pulls for now, then training negatives and working my way up. If youre trying to hit a certain amount by a certain time then losing weight is really the easiest way to do more.
In the Marines 20 pull-ups was a perfect score and for years I couldn’t get there. Left boot doing 12 and in the next few years couldn’t get past 15. Then I started deadlifting. Within a few months I got to 20 easy.
If you want to get better at pull-ups, do pull-ups. If you're not strong enough relative to your weight to do two or more pull-ups, do negatives. That's literally all there is to it.
I think it’s crazy how humans have evolved so that the anterior muscles have become naturally stronger than the posterior muscles, people can usually bench press much more than barbell row, people can do a lot more push ups than pull ups, I myself can do 40-50 push ups but I can only do like 8-10 pull ups lol and it goes the same with a lot of other people
I mean, on a pushup you aren't lifting your entire body weight, iirc just about 70%? and also less range of motion ig, the pullup movement is just bigger than pushup and creates more fatigue
I’ve been doing assisted pull-ups and adding sets and reps and lowering the assist weight 5-10 pounds a week it’s slow but every week I am getting better and next meso I will probably do heavier sets of 6to8 instead of 10-15
This is what I've noticed with my latest cut. Lost 12kg in 30 days on carnivore + cardio. Pulling strength hasnt gone down at all But my bench weight has collapsed very much
10 months ago I was 200lbs, couldn't do one pullup even though I could bench 80lb dumbells 16 times per arm. Today I weight around 160-163lbs and I just got done doing 15 reps on pullups for 3 sets. Me losing fat/weight, in combination of maintaining/gaining strength definitely rapidly increased it. I thought it was cringe that I couldn't do a pullup and even more cringe doing sets of 1 pullup momths ago, but the cringe was worth it Make the cringe worth it Obviously if you weight much over 200lbs its probably going to take you longer because for me it seemed like the extra fat is what was preventing me from doing pullups the most, just having useless fat vs muscle I'm not a expert, all I know is this logic When I was fatter I couldn't do pullups, I'm leaner and now I'm doing a shit ton of pullups Doesn't take a genius to conclude losing the weight helped rofl
@@piotrproszewski3977 In ten years of manual labor I've had 3 lower back strains that had me unable to walk for periods lasting longer than a week and countless other smaller strains. Psoas, TA issues. Ive also dislocated my right shoulder twice badly and several other times a bit less severely. Aside from those issues and the usual minor burns and cuts and ankle sprains, I've avoided serious injury. My spine is probably fucked but I have sweet lower traps and my back looks like I drank the super soldier serum so 'sall good.
Helps to be young as well. At 18 doing military PFTs I could do 20 no-cheat pullups, and 50 cheat pullups (full extension and contraction, but swinging on the way down and up to use momentum). At age 66? On a good day I can do 4 or 5 pullups before needing to rest about 30 seconds. Don't get old. 👴
@@manillagorilla1986 It was the only vertical pulling I did for the most part during that time. I would do a few sets of DB or barbell rows a week, some rear Delt flys or face pulls and curls of course but nothing like assisted pull-ups or lay pulldowns.
Imho strength (extremely few reps) training builds different (fast twitch) fibers than higher rep (slow twitch) fiber training, and training them both builds the most mass (all the fibers).
all depends on how many you can do. if you can rep out 12+, you’ll need to add resistance for strength. if you can rep out 4-5, you’ll need added assistance for hypertrophy.
@@onZampie that’s a good tip. especially if you can add weight. otherwise it might not be so effective. with calisthenics it’s all about what you can currently do with your body weight.
I’ve made noob gains to a set of wide grip pull ups- 7 reps, then 4, then 4, then 4. Strangely I can’t get that to 7-6-5-4 or anything similar. Is that weird?
Strength, because you have to be able to have the force output equaling your bodyweight or more first before thinking about training it for reps or even time.
Using excercise bands to assist chin ups/pull ups. It slows and controls the movement, allowing you to refine technique and power. It allows you to get more reps in that help strengthen all involved muscles.
No. The band and most assistance changes the movement too much it absolutely does not help refine the movement at all. It does allow for more reps and volume on those pulling muscles sure but it doesn’t make you better at the actual pull-up technique
That's gay, are you gonna use your straps when you're hanging off a cliff, who's gonna go get your straps when you have a log to lift? I say using straps are gay AF because when you're outside of the gym unless you carry straps around in your pocket you're gonna have useless strength or grip if you need straps. If all you care about is muscle then whatever, but think about it, if a log falls on your friend are you gonna shout out loud "help! Someone go get my straps so I can lift this log!" Bruh what I can lift without straps is what I can lift, if I can't lift it without straps then I don't even want to lift it But I want useful strength outside of a gym setting so I know what I am actually capable of
I did two sets of bodyweight (210lb) pull ups to failure once a week and added reps almost every week until I got 9 then added weight for like 9 months. Now I’m 185lb pulling +70 for 4 reps, but my elbows ache the next day. Should I do something different do a while or…?
I don't know if that helps you, because I have a really shitty issue with my tendonitis, but what I do is some serious streching after the work out and over the week. Really helps with any kind of stiffness or pain in those tendons and joints. Also, stupid question I guess, but check your form. I notice that sometimes I "forget" to pay attention while doing the exercise, so my elbows flare out or I start jerking around and that really shows a few days later in the tendonitis. Particularly with the last reps when it becomes really difficult. Pain can also be a sign of inbalance, like the shoulders pushing forward due to sitting all day on a computer with an arched back etc. Conditioning, like 20-30 pull movement without weight with a focus on the muscle helps a lot in building that mind-muscle conection as well. With this, my pain has become substantially better. Hope that helps you somewhat.
i have noticed occasionally that i experience that elbow ache after pull ups if i don't get enough calories and protein for the day and at least a good amount right after the workout. I know, it might sound weird but i have experienced this a few times. Obviously my personal anecdote but why not try it out.
silly me, i was just doing more tren...
Same😅😅, glad i found this video before my bawls shrunk to the size of raisins
Chances are you’re probably focusing too much on the weakest portion of the movement
Oh I just took my legs off
@@jeremyjeremy8795 do you mean drawing from the vial? ok, i'll focus on injecting more
😂😂@@jhoncheck5300
Can you talk about pulling out as well?
Keep a good, strong pace, and don’t think about it and just do it whenever the time comes (whenever you c-)
And make sure to be all the way out before
Sex is for her. Getting a BJ is for you, but you make her think it's for her too.
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Pump and dump, then do sprints. No pull out merchants here.
57 years old pullups are the real deal. Thousands and thousands yearly along with pushups and some cardio. VERY FIT KEEP IT SIMPLE
Fr fr
I testify.
Stop driving a car and start walking everywhere like your ancestors did. Keep it simple.
Legs?
Lots of heels over toes 2 to 3 times weekly on pushups days
Bulking and still hitting more pull ups. Weighted pull ups and max attempts have gotten me to 25.
Can you tell what you do? I'm currently on a bulk too. My other back exeecise are progressing but my pull up number is still the same.
@@alfatangel8614 if you’re bulking and your pull up number is the same, that’s progress.
I only do pull ups once a week. I do them weighted and with a wide grip. I then do a max attempt once a month.
You clearly haven't seen his talk about if someone can do 25 pull ups they aren't doing them right
Pull ups are 10 times easier with low body fat.
Youre telling me xD its extremely difficult to train up to doing 1 pull up sets at 280lbs
Im not one to give up, especially since im almost less than 40lbs away from doing it on the assisted pull up machine.
Come tomorrow ima try 25 or 30lbs
Imagine how strong you’ll be if you can rep out pull ups at 280
@@user-vh7ks8px3s 280 is extremely unhealthy unless you are over 8 feet tall. 21BMI is the golden zone for health
Yep, im 220 pounds and cant do more than 2 crappy ones without training...certainly shit to train them at that weight.
@@xXCREEKSTARXxit’s not your weight it’s your strength that’s the issue my friend
Denial is not only a river in Egypt ya know…..
Please hug and high five and makeup with coach Gregg. I CANT HANDLE THIS.
I mean the losing weight thing is by FARRRR gonna do the most
I'd love to have him as a gym bro
Sensible advice. Weighted 5 rep pullups worked for me, 2 sets to failure, followed by a set of unweighted pullups to failure, and then being on a slight cut. If you can do 5 reps put the weight up next set.
The eyelid hypertrophy is unreal
Thanks dr Mike!
I have found one-arm cable pulls with a long stretching action to be FAR more effective than Lat machine.
Weight loss, increase your hand strength, and do more core work. I’ve also noticed doing lat pull downs made me worse at pull-ups because I was relying on the pad to keep me down to pull the weight instead of going through my natural motions.
The point of lat pull downs is to strengthen those muscles not to necessarily feel like a pull up. The pad is there for people who can control intense weight that would just lift them up if they stopped engaging their muscles or fatigued throughout their set. Lower the weight, control the rep down and let it stretch you on the way up. If you think it’s effecting your ability to do pull ups instead of building it then you’re likely doing the exercise incorrectly.
Any advise on how to increase pullup/shoulder strength when you have a rotator cuff issue (or maybe a good alternative exercise). I currently avoid pullups like the plague because of it and feel it makes my upper back development much weaker.
Two things that helped for me were:
1. Taking horizontal rows very seriously since that upper back strength carries over nicely to pullups. A classic progression into the pull up is the inverted row.
2. Slower eccentrics, especially at the bottom where I ease slowly into the stretch at the bottom. Your pull up reps will most likely drop, which is honestly a good thing since it keeps you from doing too much too quickly.
Have you tried chin ups or neutral grip chins?
If Pull ups are really a no go, then go and do rows. Yes, yes I know they are NOT the same exercise as a pull up/chin up. But they do also work the lats even if not as effectively. I mean what else are you going to do? Not train at all? That's not an alternative. But if Pull ups really totally destroy your shoulders, the best thing you can do, are rows. Even if they will not as effectively work your lats they are still a part of it.
I damaged my rotator cuff doing pullups. What worked for me was not doing any pullups for a few months while training my rotator cuff with face pulls. I also found that neutral grip was a lot better, so i introduced them before any other variation
It is fundamental that you stretch too, I had rotator cuff pain when I was benching and it went away when I started stretching
1.stand in front of the barbell on the squat rack
2.Put both hands on it
3.lean your torso forward until it is at the same height or lower than the barbell
4.Rotate your hip to the side so you end up looking north with the front of your hips while your arms are directly to one of your sides (East or West ,where the barbell that you are holding is is)
This is actually a lat stretch but when I did it with left shoulder rotator cuff pain it killed me to do it and I immediately felt better, after around 3 or 4 days I was benching with almost no trouble.
Im doing a progression. Scapular pulls for now, then training negatives and working my way up. If youre trying to hit a certain amount by a certain time then losing weight is really the easiest way to do more.
Back in the day I did 3 rounds of P90x. Went from 180lbs to 155lbs maxed out pull-ups at 36 and push-ups at 85.
Losing weight drives my pull-ups up more than anything, other than just consistently and gradually building up volume.
This man has a sledgehammer for a head golly
I’ve been doing sets of 5 overhand wide grip pull ups, followed immediately by 5 negatives. My back is swole!
Blinking his eye at speed of light 😂😂😂😊
I've always noticed it lol
@@Enhanced-Atrophy I've been watching so long I never notice anymore. It used bug me
In the Marines 20 pull-ups was a perfect score and for years I couldn’t get there. Left boot doing 12 and in the next few years couldn’t get past 15.
Then I started deadlifting. Within a few months I got to 20 easy.
It works bro I never been able to do pull ups I’m losing fat and my vertical strength is crazy
If you want to get better at pull-ups, do pull-ups. If you're not strong enough relative to your weight to do two or more pull-ups, do negatives. That's literally all there is to it.
I think it’s crazy how humans have evolved so that the anterior muscles have become naturally stronger than the posterior muscles, people can usually bench press much more than barbell row, people can do a lot more push ups than pull ups, I myself can do 40-50 push ups but I can only do like 8-10 pull ups lol and it goes the same with a lot of other people
I mean, on a pushup you aren't lifting your entire body weight, iirc just about 70%? and also less range of motion ig, the pullup movement is just bigger than pushup and creates more fatigue
I’ve been doing assisted pull-ups and adding sets and reps and lowering the assist weight 5-10 pounds a week it’s slow but every week I am getting better and next meso I will probably do heavier sets of 6to8 instead of 10-15
This is what I've noticed with my latest cut. Lost 12kg in 30 days on carnivore + cardio. Pulling strength hasnt gone down at all
But my bench weight has collapsed very much
10 months ago I was 200lbs, couldn't do one pullup even though I could bench 80lb dumbells 16 times per arm.
Today I weight around 160-163lbs and I just got done doing 15 reps on pullups for 3 sets.
Me losing fat/weight, in combination of maintaining/gaining strength definitely rapidly increased it.
I thought it was cringe that I couldn't do a pullup and even more cringe doing sets of 1 pullup momths ago, but the cringe was worth it
Make the cringe worth it
Obviously if you weight much over 200lbs its probably going to take you longer because for me it seemed like the extra fat is what was preventing me from doing pullups the most, just having useless fat vs muscle
I'm not a expert, all I know is this logic
When I was fatter I couldn't do pullups, I'm leaner and now I'm doing a shit ton of pullups
Doesn't take a genius to conclude losing the weight helped rofl
Must have been an epic cut
Pull ups are the only thing I’m good at in the gym 😂
Do what I did, deliver furniture for 10 years. You’ll get strong in wild ways.
Truth. Im a residential mover, have been for years. Back, forearms, calves.
Hows your spine?
@@piotrproszewski3977 In ten years of manual labor I've had 3 lower back strains that had me unable to walk for periods lasting longer than a week and countless other smaller strains. Psoas, TA issues. Ive also dislocated my right shoulder twice badly and several other times a bit less severely. Aside from those issues and the usual minor burns and cuts and ankle sprains, I've avoided serious injury. My spine is probably fucked but I have sweet lower traps and my back looks like I drank the super soldier serum so 'sall good.
@@piotrproszewski3977 Fucked, actually 🤷♂️
Don't forget your pulling plug too guys
My goal is 20 pull ups and this video is so helpful
Helps to be young as well. At 18 doing military PFTs I could do 20 no-cheat pullups, and 50 cheat pullups (full extension and contraction, but swinging on the way down and up to use momentum).
At age 66? On a good day I can do 4 or 5 pullups before needing to rest about 30 seconds.
Don't get old. 👴
Greasing the groove sounds way easier than this tbh, rehabbed my pull-ups from 10 to 18 in a month. Just body weight and a pull up bar
That's really good! Why not start doing weighted pull ups next?
@@CrniWuk because he can do pullups to the chest instead =)
Oh shit he got his hair back
How is that going Mike? I doubt you are able to do any quality bodyweight pull ups.
Armstrong pull-up program got me from a max set of 12 to 31 in six months
Did you do other exercises after as well or just that program for 6 months?
@@manillagorilla1986 It was the only vertical pulling I did for the most part during that time. I would do a few sets of DB or barbell rows a week, some rear Delt flys or face pulls and curls of course but nothing like assisted pull-ups or lay pulldowns.
Imho strength (extremely few reps) training builds different (fast twitch) fibers than higher rep (slow twitch) fiber training, and training them both builds the most mass (all the fibers).
Tren
Anyone in rochester ny that wants a work out partner I have very little knowledge but I wanna better myself
How would you train pull ups for strength vs hypertrophy?
all depends on how many you can do. if you can rep out 12+, you’ll need to add resistance for strength. if you can rep out 4-5, you’ll need added assistance for hypertrophy.
Generally for strength including some higher frequency sets taken further from failure can be quite effective imo.
@@onZampie that’s a good tip. especially if you can add weight. otherwise it might not be so effective. with calisthenics it’s all about what you can currently do with your body weight.
I was wondering if you have turetts syndrome? I have the eye blinking tic myself
I’ve made noob gains to a set of wide grip pull ups- 7 reps, then 4, then 4, then 4. Strangely I can’t get that to 7-6-5-4 or anything similar. Is that weird?
Maybe try some iso holds and slow negatives?
"...which you will be for sure..." I don't think he knows the RUclips community that well...
Step 1: HOW? ITS NOT ELABORATED UPON.
APP????????
Ok now can you come up with a training plan that requires about 100% less effort
Just do more pull ups
200 grams of whey daily is all you need
People focus way too much time and energy on the weakest portion of the movement
Or just be shansbruh
whats crazy is im kinda doing this on accident by being fat
strength or endurance?
Strength, because you have to be able to have the force output equaling your bodyweight or more first before thinking about training it for reps or even time.
Building muscle for a natural is all about strength.
Using excercise bands to assist chin ups/pull ups. It slows and controls the movement, allowing you to refine technique and power. It allows you to get more reps in that help strengthen all involved muscles.
No. The band and most assistance changes the movement too much it absolutely does not help refine the movement at all. It does allow for more reps and volume on those pulling muscles sure but it doesn’t make you better at the actual pull-up technique
Use straps, it's a major improvement
And build up your grip strength...
That's gay, are you gonna use your straps when you're hanging off a cliff, who's gonna go get your straps when you have a log to lift? I say using straps are gay AF because when you're outside of the gym unless you carry straps around in your pocket you're gonna have useless strength or grip if you need straps. If all you care about is muscle then whatever, but think about it, if a log falls on your friend are you gonna shout out loud "help! Someone go get my straps so I can lift this log!"
Bruh what I can lift without straps is what I can lift, if I can't lift it without straps then I don't even want to lift it
But I want useful strength outside of a gym setting so I know what I am actually capable of
@@kingdavid8178 ok
@@Ybby999 Am I wrong or do you carry straps around for when a log falls on ya momma?
@@kingdavid8178😂 you do you bruh while i go get some good back gains
Inverted rows, slowing down in the eccentric...
Silly me, I just started going to a climbing gym...went from 5 to 20 (real pull-ups).
If you cant gain any fat does it mean your muscles grow slower?
I did two sets of bodyweight (210lb) pull ups to failure once a week and added reps almost every week until I got 9 then added weight for like 9 months. Now I’m 185lb pulling +70 for 4 reps, but my elbows ache the next day. Should I do something different do a while or…?
I don't know if that helps you, because I have a really shitty issue with my tendonitis, but what I do is some serious streching after the work out and over the week. Really helps with any kind of stiffness or pain in those tendons and joints. Also, stupid question I guess, but check your form. I notice that sometimes I "forget" to pay attention while doing the exercise, so my elbows flare out or I start jerking around and that really shows a few days later in the tendonitis. Particularly with the last reps when it becomes really difficult. Pain can also be a sign of inbalance, like the shoulders pushing forward due to sitting all day on a computer with an arched back etc. Conditioning, like 20-30 pull movement without weight with a focus on the muscle helps a lot in building that mind-muscle conection as well. With this, my pain has become substantially better.
Hope that helps you somewhat.
i have noticed occasionally that i experience that elbow ache after pull ups if i don't get enough calories and protein for the day and at least a good amount right after the workout. I know, it might sound weird but i have experienced this a few times. Obviously my personal anecdote but why not try it out.
Your elbow joints might not be strong enough to handle the amount of extra weight you've added. Joints are slower to strengthen than muscles.