The ICC has become over-the-top bureaucracy if you don't live in the EU but are a citizen of a Res. 40 country. The requirements for EU boat licences and ICC's (theory and practical, incl CEVNI) are identical to the requirements in many non-EU countries (the practical is done by govt approved instructors and examiners and the theory is done by the govt dept who issue the licences). Whilst the training and requirements all line up with the ICC, nationals of Res 40 countries can't have that Res 40 nationality listed on the ICC if issued to then against another nationality of the individual which results in people such as myself being unable to ever get an ICC unless I permanently move to the Res 40 country of which I'm a citizen and start everything from scratch. The reason having the nationality listed matters is at least one of the nationalities on an ICC MUST match the passport being used to enter the EU (for Res. 40 countries that's an EU passport), I can't use my non-EU passport to enter the EU as that would be illegal and considered "attempting to conceal nationality" which is a serious crime. What the ICC should have been was a boat version of the IDP. Where it went wrong was instead of looking at the govt licence requirements and "translating" them to a common standard, it became its own mess that screws over dual/multi nationals (those with multiple citizenships from birth) with its own separate examination and testing regime that ignores the licences issued by non-EU countries. I mean, when I want to drive overseas, I don't have to sit a test to get an IDP, all I do is show my valid driver licence and the govt "translates" the licence into an IDP. Yet with boats there is zero way to translate a non-EU Marine Licence with PWC endorsement into an ICC with CEVNI because the ICC & CEVNI are their own unique thing. The result, I only sail where I live as I have the licence, long gone are my dreams of ever sailing to Europe even though I've done the appropriate training (couldn't get issued the certificate due to being "ineligible" due to the whole Res. 40 thing). To sail to the EU and then around the EU, its ICC or nothing (ICC & certificates such as Yachtmaster have the same eligibility criteria for the individual as the ICC regarding Res. 40).
I know plenty of boaters including me been boating for years in small craft!! none of us have any of that, so is that actually the law or just optional ?? I have hired boats in different countries throughout Europe and never been asked for any thing.
Hi, It’s not a law, it was more of a recommendation to accept each others license. No one is actually checking if countries are doing what is agreed in the un resolution 40. I don’t know in what countries you have been navigating? But if you would go on inland waters in the Netherlands for example, the water police can stop you, give you a fine and prohibit to continue with your boat. If you’ve been boating in southern countries ( med ) they might not be bothered at all since most have not signed resolution 40 from the un. Even in Holland they do not accept all icc’s anymore I’ve been told by the water police in a conversation. Only icc’s from belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany and the uk. The last one has an exemption that if you are an English person living in Holland they refuse to accept the icc and you need to get a dutch license. 🫣 It’s completely crazy, but nothing I can do about it. I just like to inform. Always look at the following, what if I get into an accident with a license i have ? Is my insurance ok with it? Second, if you can get an icc on top of your license, always get it. You never know who you are meeting on the water and if they do or don’t accept your license. At least you have some paperwork to wave at them. Thanks for your comment, if you have other questions or remarks? Please feel free to do so. Cheers, Kristof
Amazing video!! Thank you
The ICC has become over-the-top bureaucracy if you don't live in the EU but are a citizen of a Res. 40 country. The requirements for EU boat licences and ICC's (theory and practical, incl CEVNI) are identical to the requirements in many non-EU countries (the practical is done by govt approved instructors and examiners and the theory is done by the govt dept who issue the licences).
Whilst the training and requirements all line up with the ICC, nationals of Res 40 countries can't have that Res 40 nationality listed on the ICC if issued to then against another nationality of the individual which results in people such as myself being unable to ever get an ICC unless I permanently move to the Res 40 country of which I'm a citizen and start everything from scratch.
The reason having the nationality listed matters is at least one of the nationalities on an ICC MUST match the passport being used to enter the EU (for Res. 40 countries that's an EU passport), I can't use my non-EU passport to enter the EU as that would be illegal and considered "attempting to conceal nationality" which is a serious crime.
What the ICC should have been was a boat version of the IDP. Where it went wrong was instead of looking at the govt licence requirements and "translating" them to a common standard, it became its own mess that screws over dual/multi nationals (those with multiple citizenships from birth) with its own separate examination and testing regime that ignores the licences issued by non-EU countries.
I mean, when I want to drive overseas, I don't have to sit a test to get an IDP, all I do is show my valid driver licence and the govt "translates" the licence into an IDP. Yet with boats there is zero way to translate a non-EU Marine Licence with PWC endorsement into an ICC with CEVNI because the ICC & CEVNI are their own unique thing.
The result, I only sail where I live as I have the licence, long gone are my dreams of ever sailing to Europe even though I've done the appropriate training (couldn't get issued the certificate due to being "ineligible" due to the whole Res. 40 thing).
To sail to the EU and then around the EU, its ICC or nothing (ICC & certificates such as Yachtmaster have the same eligibility criteria for the individual as the ICC regarding Res. 40).
What country are you from ?
I know plenty of boaters including me been boating for years in small craft!! none of us have any of that, so is that actually the law or just optional ?? I have hired boats in different countries throughout Europe and never been asked for any thing.
Hi,
It’s not a law, it was more of a recommendation to accept each others license. No one is actually checking if countries are doing what is agreed in the un resolution 40. I don’t know in what countries you have been navigating? But if you would go on inland waters in the Netherlands for example, the water police can stop you, give you a fine and prohibit to continue with your boat. If you’ve been boating in southern countries ( med ) they might not be bothered at all since most have not signed resolution 40 from the un.
Even in Holland they do not accept all icc’s anymore I’ve been told by the water police in a conversation. Only icc’s from belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg, Germany and the uk. The last one has an exemption that if you are an English person living in Holland they refuse to accept the icc and you need to get a dutch license. 🫣
It’s completely crazy, but nothing I can do about it. I just like to inform.
Always look at the following, what if I get into an accident with a license i have ? Is my insurance ok with it?
Second, if you can get an icc on top of your license, always get it. You never know who you are meeting on the water and if they do or don’t accept your license. At least you have some paperwork to wave at them.
Thanks for your comment, if you have other questions or remarks? Please feel free to do so.
Cheers,
Kristof
@@adventuresportsseaschool3488 thanks a lot for that information it’s helpful and I it’s kinda what I expected