I believe they did actually use volley fire in. WW1. So much so that the enemy thought the British were using machine guns. This was mentioned either in a Forgotten Weapons or Bloke On The Range video.
@@engineer6250 On the Western Front, the German trenches were mostly about 100 to 120 meters away. Sometimes, they were as close as 35 meters. At this distance, the shortest distance setup was more than enough. Standing up for volley fire would mean getting mowed down by machine guns or shrapnel from enemy artillery shells.
So much of firearm development was limited by the then state of the art of the ammunition and the industrial ability to provide it in quantity. From powder chemistry to case and projectile metallurgy, ammunition technology is a big part of the story. Would love to see you start at least an occasional "Forgotten Ammo" series and tell us the stories not just about the ammo, but the people and history that went with it. You mention tidbits here and there and I often wish for at least drawings or photos to go with it. This is a subject I know much less about and would love to hear more. Keep up the great work, Ian, and am so looking forward to the next book!
@@Rational_Redneck Exactly. And like I said, it's not just the technology itself -- it's just as much about the people, the politics, and the historical setting that is relevant to why things happened the way they did.
Until sixty odd years ago most New Zealand high schools had military cadet training as part of their programmes. I remember seeing in the school armoury racks full of what are known locally as NZ carbines. These disappeared when cadets ended and have become highly collectable. I'm not sure of to whom they would have been issued as we have traditionally focused on infantry, with what mounted troops we had being mounted rifles, infantry with mobility provided by being on horseback. There were cavalry during the land wars here but local terrain does not generally lend itself to cavalry charges or mounted recon.
The NZ Pattern was issued to the NZ Cavalry in the Boer War when it was found that the LE Mk1 was unsuitable as it had to be carried slung across the back. 500 in one order and 1000 in a follow up. The smallest (rarest) Lee Enfield order supplied.
Then, there are the "other" early-ish carbines: The New Zealand pattern and the R.I.C (Royal Irish Constabulary), variants, both of which were fitted to accept bayonets.
One of the things I enjoy the most about your videos is the little details like the removal of the cleaning rod. I have a related question. When did the traditional hand grip to shoulder stock become somewhat standardized?
Max yes, it is. Traditional carbine length barrels are below 22 or 23 inches. Short rifles are up to 25 inches or so. Full length rifles were usually 30 to 36 inches, though in muzzle loading days they could be longer. Muskets were usually in the longer barrel lengths as well.
This configuration was largely used by the bushvelt carabineers in the Boer war and the light horse (mounted infantry) during WWI. Cavalry may have been the intended market but it had broader applications in the end.
During the 2nd Boer War many cavalry were issued with rifles instead of carbines. They mostly fought as dragoons, and rarely fired when mounted. So accuracy at range was more important than ease of handling. And by WW1 carbines were restricted to Yeomanry (reserve cavalry) units. And had been completely replaced by 1916.
I've wondered for a while why the SMLE has a full length front stock- now I realize it was, like these carbines, for using with the cavalry trooper's scabbard/bucket. Thanks!
I own a No4 mk2 SMLE (we can still have bolt actions in Australia) I would love one of these though. It's awesome when Ian does reviews on commonwealth firearms.
yes that would be a good double feature, especially if all done like Rob does it inperiod costume. Oh bring the Bloke and Chap on the Range over too. Should only be a few days worth of video.
@@dwightehowell8179 I'm afraid not mate. SMLE mag would not fit this Lee carbine as different design and dimensions. I.E Single Vs double feed stack system.
I know your pain. Hey , I got a great idea. What if we both put out money together and share the gun? I can take it every even day and you get odds. Also I'll need it for 3 weeks in october while I'm at parents for their anniversary. Wait I'm making this to complicated. You can have it the first 6 months of the year and I'll take it for the other 6. So we doing this?
@@johnxina2465 oh heck yea, wait hold on. Your not gonna burn me like the last guy and steal my money right? I mean you seem like a straight shooter but still you never know.
10:45 metion of the arisake and bore condiditon as far as i know arisakas have chrome lined bores thus significantly helping out barrel wear ....... also mentioning the "little amount of wear" the hammered ass front end of the bot is not mentioned you can see it curling over from repeated heavy use
Thank you, I have been looking for a video on both Lee Metfords and Lee Enfield rifles ever since your video on the Charlton Automatic Rifle! (Cheers From NZ)
As an Englishman I envy Americans for their free availability of such historical rifles. I have used .303 Lee-Enfields in times gone by, owned a Mauser 98 and a Mle 1886 Lebel rifle , illegally, and then surrendered them during an amnesty (probably at the bottom of the North Sea as we speak, 50 years later.) Like it, or not, British (& American) history is tied up in these "tools of the trade" and Utopians will not win the next war as hard as their "massive" brains may try. [If you don't have good infantry you have nothing. Personal view, not Confucius] Anyway, thanks for your amazing historical & perspective views. Remember, you rebel B------, you are literally the last bastion of freedom.
Love your videos. Is there any chance you would consider making a playlist for the Vietnam war similar to the WWI and WWII playlists? Keep up the great work!
Neat video, as always of course. Hmmm . . . based on recollections along ago BBC series 'The Gun' the cavalry in the Boer War did have do a fair bit of fighting dismounted, where they did find the short range of the carbine a major disadvantage, whereas the infantry the "long" rifle, unnecessarily heavy, so hence the SMLE for the both arms. And also - if someone with a better knowledge of British early 20th century cavalry tactics than I have might be able to confirm or deny this - it became realised that dismounted fire action, as opposed to mounted shock action, would be increasingly important to mounted troops. And FWIW the SMLE carbine (I think) gets a guest spot on BBC/HBOs 'His Dark Materials' as the long arm of one of the characters . . . the American aviator guy, can't remember his name.
This is so cool, I’ve been hoping (🇨🇦) for more Lee Enfield info on FW. BTW, I’m really into fine wood finishing, is that stock finished with linseed oil or teak oil or Polyurethane or...? It’s beautiful. Thanks!🤠
At 9:24 you can see specks of white dotting the finish. I’ve had this on probably 25% of the guns I’ve owned, it’s like droplets of white paint. Anyone else ever encounter this?
I used to have an Lee Enfield Tanker carbine in .308 w 10 round detachable magazine. I bought it in 1992. It was just a shortened No.1 maybe. Was that an actual issue or just a gunsmith's special? It was very short. 18" barrel maybe. It was called the Bulldog Carbine.
@@quentintin1 That's what I thought. The wholesaler I bought guns from would always throw in an extra tokerev pistol or a paratrooper sks because I was ordering cases at a time. I wish I still had that little rifle. Whoever built them did a great job and the bore looked great. It was accurate enough I guess. I got an arsenal refurbished Spanish FR8 carbine from the same guy. It and the Bulldog were the same length.
@@itsapittie Yeah. Exactly. I carried mine around everywhere. I had in the trunk of my first police unit near 30 years ago. I was a cop in a small town at the bottom of the Sacramento mountains in NM. Deer would come down the highway and into town. Sometimes somebody would hit a deer, buck or die. Fish and game would give it away to people in town.
There have ben a few Sawn Off SMLE, mostly feild adaptions from rifles that were otherwise unsevicable. Tunnellers used a few in the Great War. A friend in Belgium lit a bonfire in his feild one night in celebration of the end of an event. We were all standing around toasting succes, when all hell broke loose , bangs and flashes and whining bullets , we all hit the ground. The fire on later examniation was found to have been started over what was left of a SMLE.
Like most of us I already knew about 8-rnd L-M mags but have never heard of a 6-rnd. A few days ago I asked in the comments of another L-E video of yours about the linked magazine - so nice of you to answer me by using your powers to lead me to this video! (just wondered, is it only on L-E's that the cleaning rod is removed? I will wait a few days and see which video answers that...)
Me again - actually you worked in even more mysterious ways because I've found that I had asked Jonathan Ferguson that question (linked mag) - I think we all need you, JF and C&R to live in one firearms commune to save us time? (as I say that I start getting nervous about "the Feds" getting the wrong idea...)
Am I the only one who wishes that we had contemporary calvary that weren't tanks, but like infantry troops that ride mechanized horses that fire from their snouts or something? I mean, that would be way more dangerous than tanks, so the actual troop would probably also need to be at least a cyborg riding a mechanized horse but if we're going that direction then you'd obviously want them equipped with some kind of energy melee weapons capable of destroying the other mechanized horses (or tanks, depending on how antiquated the other army is I guess). I guess my point is these carbines are really beautiful and my favorite so far in this series of Lee Metford/Enfield weapons you've been doing.
@@tellmewhenitsover They're just really beautiful antique guns, I love the old British military rifles from this period and something about these carbines is just so elegant looking
I would love to add one of these beautiful carbine's to my collection but I think it would be easier to find Jimmy Hoffa. I have a few Enfield rifles but only one carbine and that is a Ishapore 2A carbines in 308. For some reason my dad loved this rifle so it was one that I kept. It's a fun one to shoot but the wood comes off after a few shots. I found a sporterizes from stock on ebay. I won it for $8.00. I felt bad because the guy was hoping to get more so I sent him a check for $20 so he didn't take such a big hit on it. I just didn't feel good about only paying $8 for it. The shipping was more then that. I know people will call me a fool for doing that but I think would I want that to happen to me. I would have been really bummed out so I did it to make me feel good. The guy was super happy that I did it so I guess everyone was happy. I have to do some work on the stock. It appears to be a bit shorter than it should be but a quarter of a inch. I have been waiting to fix it until I have fixed a few other rifles with the same problem. So far I have repaired 6 stocks from other manufacturers. I'm still not comfortable with my skills to work on my dad's carbine. I really only have one chance at it and don't want to mess it up. I could take it to a good gunsmith but I like to fix things myself if it's something that I am comfortable with. I see we have the same taste in books. I think I have about 8 of the same books for reference as you do. I don't have War Baby 2 yet. I'm a M1 carbine freak. I live them. I wish they had a upper for my AR-15 in .30 carbine. I guess there is no reason with the 300 blackout. The ballistics are about the same with a 110 gn bullet. I love my 300 blackout for the wide variety of bullets that it can shoot. I know it's not a antique firearm but I still love it but it's not a M1 carbine. I love your channel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. Happy Safe Shooting 🇺🇸💪
I noticed that the wider sling swivels were on the right side of the carbine. If you try to carry it across your back, I'd think that the bolt handle would dig into your back something awful.
Ian keeps saying Metford rifling is polygonal, but that's not right. Metford rifling has a round groove, rather than squared edged as in normal ["Enfield" in this context] rifling. Metford wasn't polygonal ["Whitworth"] rifling, it was its own thing, the rounded groove enabling the BP fouling to be somewhat self-cleaning, but the very subtle nature of it meant that when cordite came along w/ its MUCH hotter combustion temps, it eroded the Metford rifling rapidly, plus the fouling was so much less that the need for Metford rifling was eliminated, so the shift to Enfield rifling was done.
I like these rifles a lot and I mean all Enfield rifles. I would really like to have one like in the movie ghost and the darkness. They are very unique in America.
No Ian, long enfield for the infantry, short enfield for the ARTILLERY. It´s the same thing with a bayonet lug but shorter. The cavalry carbine has no bayonet lug, bacause troopers have sabres. The auxillery services would have got Martini-Henrys or even Sniders if native. Yes, they didn´t come out with an artillery carbine from the start, but there were some couple of hundred carbines made.
With the cleaning/clearing rod omitted, was there ever any case of a rifle made inoperable because of a stuck case and no one had a rod to push it on of the chamber?
I mentioned this on another video, but the carbine sling was not if they dropped the carbine, but so they could drop the carbine. All this fuss about making it easy to go in the bucket, but why not just keep the sling?
2 questions...the magazine looks like the same one used in "The Ghost and the Darkness"...do you happen to know anything about that rifle, either the one used in the movie or the one used by the actual hunter? Second, were they actually able to use the single load / magazine cutoff system in the cavalry? As someone who's done a fair amount of horseback riding, I can't imagine fumbling with a single cartridge and loading it into a chamber while at a brisk gait, much less a full gallop...seems like a great way to lose cartridges. I'm trying to figure what the procedure would've been to make use of such a system.
Great video, thanks. I was wondering, given that they made only 60k or so of the cavalry carbine rifle, compared to what I have been told is 17 million? SMLE / no.4, are the cavalry carbine rifles much more collectable? Are they more valuable on the open market?
What was the thinking behind having such a short cleaning rod? If you have to screw 2 or 3 together to clear a jam wouldn't it be problematic when you have the native hoards bearing down upon you?
Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with this video but when can we expect an update on the bullpup book? I’m excited to learn about weird shaped pew pews
Funny how USA postings on the SMLE MkV claim that it kicked too much due to being shorter and lighter but no Troopers complained of their MLM Carbines in the South African War.
It seems unfair that the artillery and engineers were expected to use only single-shot weapons until you realize that the original Lee weapons could only load one round at a time, so once the magazine is empty, you either stop shooting to load the magazine back up, or you just single-load after each shot to keep up the fire. Suddenly, the Engineers and Artillery are not that bad off compared to the infantry and cavalry. Of course, I would rather have a magazine and not need it than not have a magazine at all, but until the British figured out how to use chargers, the Mausers and Mannlichers really had the edge in firearms with their quick-loading clips.
Did they drop the magazine to load them or load them with magazine still in the gun? Seems to defeat purpose of a removable magazine when linked to gun. I understand it would be easy to drop the mag on horseback by why make it removable then?
@@hoffbyte I don't really think it was ubiquitously but it was before 1903. There are a number of archival sources that describe it. "The rifle of the Boers was an extremely effective one of small calibre, which was first turned out in the year 1895, whilst the Lee-Enfield dates from 1888, being first known as the Lee-Metford, and only in 1895 being altered to its present form. The Boer rifle was on the clip system. The Enfield had a detachable magazine holding ten cartridges - a defect in the latter was that it could only be filled by inserting single cartridges one after the other after the original ten were expended, or by the substitution of a fresh magazine."
@@hoffbyte I also found at one of the auctions a cavalry belt (produced in 1900) equipped with a small magazine pouch in the front. The idea, apparently, was to release a short magazine after using up 6 rounds and insert a second standard 10-shot, getting 10 extra shots. But in any case, this is an extra-rare thing.
The Kar 98AZ existed back then and was produced in relatively large numbers, but a lot of those carbines were used by the Sturmtruppen and blown to bits or worn out beyond repair in WW1 or got issued late in WW2 and were the destroyed then. You can sometimes see Volkssturm and Volkgrenadier units field them in old pictures, you just have to look for the big stacking hook at the muzzle. Ian even has a video in which he buys one at an auction I believe.
I love the optimism of enfield sights. might be an impossible range, but at least the gun believes in you.
Remember the pistols with 500 or even 1000m sights?
I believe they did actually use volley fire in. WW1. So much so that the enemy thought the British were using machine guns. This was mentioned either in a Forgotten Weapons or Bloke On The Range video.
@@engineer6250 sounds more like the mad minute
ネプギアGO Agreed. It does. But the presentation was on the SMLE with volley sights and the use of those sight.
@@engineer6250 On the Western Front, the German trenches were mostly about 100 to 120 meters away. Sometimes, they were as close as 35 meters. At this distance, the shortest distance setup was more than enough. Standing up for volley fire would mean getting mowed down by machine guns or shrapnel from enemy artillery shells.
So much of firearm development was limited by the then state of the art of the ammunition and the industrial ability to provide it in quantity. From powder chemistry to case and projectile metallurgy, ammunition technology is a big part of the story. Would love to see you start at least an occasional "Forgotten Ammo" series and tell us the stories not just about the ammo, but the people and history that went with it. You mention tidbits here and there and I often wish for at least drawings or photos to go with it. This is a subject I know much less about and would love to hear more. Keep up the great work, Ian, and am so looking forward to the next book!
Excellent idea!
I would love to see that. There is so many random, odd, and forgotten rounds and families of rounds that I've probably never heard of.
@@Rational_Redneck Exactly. And like I said, it's not just the technology itself -- it's just as much about the people, the politics, and the historical setting that is relevant to why things happened the way they did.
R.I.P. HK G11, we hardly knew you.
Hi and welcome to Forgotten Ammunition. Yes I am aroused already.
Until sixty odd years ago most New Zealand high schools had military cadet training as part of their programmes.
I remember seeing in the school armoury racks full of what are known locally as NZ carbines. These disappeared when cadets ended and have become highly collectable. I'm not sure of to whom they would have been issued as we have traditionally focused on infantry, with what mounted troops we had being mounted rifles, infantry with mobility provided by being on horseback. There were cavalry during the land wars here but local terrain does not generally lend itself to cavalry charges or mounted recon.
The NZ Pattern was issued to the NZ Cavalry in the Boer War when it was found that the LE Mk1 was unsuitable as it had to be carried slung across the back. 500 in one order and 1000 in a follow up. The smallest (rarest) Lee Enfield order supplied.
What an elegant looking rifle. Just beautiful.
Cavalry carbines have always been my favorite. Great work as always Ian!
congratulations on getting your hands on Lee rifles and carbines in such good condition
Then, there are the "other" early-ish carbines:
The New Zealand pattern and the R.I.C (Royal Irish Constabulary), variants, both of which were fitted to accept bayonets.
When your carbine is about as long as your rifle
One of the things I enjoy the most about your videos is the little details like the removal of the cleaning rod. I have a related question. When did the traditional hand grip to shoulder stock become somewhat standardized?
18-inch barrel is considered a carbine. Today that would be a full size rifle.
The M1 Carbine had 18" barrels too. AKs have ~16" barrels. About half of the French-ordered HK416Fs have 11" barrels… And they use them as rifles
Well .303 and 5.56 are different rounds.
Still technically a carbine. So is the M16 at only 20 inches.
Max yes, it is. Traditional carbine length barrels are below 22 or 23 inches. Short rifles are up to 25 inches or so. Full length rifles were usually 30 to 36 inches, though in muzzle loading days they could be longer. Muskets were usually in the longer barrel lengths as well.
Max Sure, just like they are all AR15s. 😁
This configuration was largely used by the bushvelt carabineers in the Boer war and the light horse (mounted infantry) during WWI. Cavalry may have been the intended market but it had broader applications in the end.
Scapegoats of Empire, I'd recommend both the film and the book, that can be got free on Gutenberg Press.
I thought mounted infantry has long lees? My great grandfather was Imperial Yeomanry during the Boer war and was issued a long lee
During the 2nd Boer War many cavalry were issued with rifles instead of carbines.
They mostly fought as dragoons, and rarely fired when mounted. So accuracy at range was more important than ease of handling.
And by WW1 carbines were restricted to Yeomanry (reserve cavalry) units. And had been completely replaced by 1916.
I've wondered for a while why the SMLE has a full length front stock- now I realize it was, like these carbines, for using with the cavalry trooper's scabbard/bucket. Thanks!
Quite enjoyed how you've done the Lee rifles as a sort of mini series.
I own a No4 mk2 SMLE (we can still have bolt actions in Australia) I would love one of these though. It's awesome when Ian does reviews on commonwealth firearms.
The grain on the wood stock and hand guard looks just like the grain on my dinner table.
Jeez they are classy looking.
I love the smell of .303 in the morning
It smells of tea and victory!!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
@@criffermaclennan I couldn't have said it better myself! Smashing!! 🇬🇧🇬🇧
I learned to shoot using .303 at 8yrs old 😀 good memories.
@@criffermaclennan smells more like farts if you are running Mk7
I love the design of the Lee-Metford Cavalry Carbine.
Hopefully Ian will discuss the Lee Enfield/Metford's with British Muzzleloaders
yes that would be a good double feature, especially if all done like Rob does it inperiod costume. Oh bring the Bloke and Chap on the Range over too. Should only be a few days worth of video.
I think that mag could hold at least 10 and still be slick. Sweet guns man
A double column, double feed 10 round magazine would come to the bottom of the trigger guard, just like an SMLE.
@@slaughterround643 they were single stack mags, probably because they were the first detatchable box mags...
An SMLE magazine would most likely fit.
@@dwightehowell8179 I'm afraid not mate. SMLE mag would not fit this Lee carbine as different design and dimensions. I.E Single Vs double feed stack system.
@@dwightehowell8179 no it wouldn´t
It's possible that the single-point vs two-point sling debate is as old as humanity.
I have a single point sling on the club that I use to wack Olog when he tries to steal my Mutton.
@@8mmmauserman But the two point will stop the club from hitting your junk if you have to transition to pointed stick.
Jamoni1 ah, yes. I remember an incident where that happened during a 2 club match.
I have a Norwegian Krag carbine, it's definitely smaller than a rifle and much more handier
54 minutes ago. Can't wait to see "3 years ago" like all the others.
It does feel like every forgotten weapons video was released at least 6 months ago
At least once a week, I find a 6+ month old Forgotten Weapons video in my feed that I somehow missed. I love the information.
Iascaire what are you talking about? He uploads multiple videos a week pretty consistently.
Always wanted a Lee carbine. Money has never permitted me to though.
Do like me, and put yourself on starvation rations for a month. You get a gun and lose weight. Win-win.
I know your pain. Hey , I got a great idea. What if we both put out money together and share the gun? I can take it every even day and you get odds. Also I'll need it for 3 weeks in october while I'm at parents for their anniversary. Wait I'm making this to complicated. You can have it the first 6 months of the year and I'll take it for the other 6. So we doing this?
@@Lrr_Of_Omikron ill do it, send me your half first and you can even have the first 6 months, sound great?!
@@johnxina2465 oh heck yea, wait hold on. Your not gonna burn me like the last guy and steal my money right? I mean you seem like a straight shooter but still you never know.
@@Lrr_Of_Omikron Nah never that g, I'm official 💯
10:45 metion of the arisake and bore condiditon as far as i know arisakas have chrome lined bores thus significantly helping out barrel wear ....... also mentioning the "little amount of wear" the hammered ass front end of the bot is not mentioned you can see it curling over from repeated heavy use
Thank you, I have been looking for a video on both Lee Metfords and Lee Enfield rifles ever since your video on the Charlton Automatic Rifle! (Cheers From NZ)
As an Englishman I envy Americans for their free availability of such historical rifles. I have used .303 Lee-Enfields in times gone by, owned a Mauser 98 and a Mle 1886 Lebel rifle , illegally, and then surrendered them during an amnesty (probably at the bottom of the North Sea as we speak, 50 years later.) Like it, or not, British (& American) history is tied up in these "tools of the trade" and Utopians will not win the next war as hard as their "massive" brains may try. [If you don't have good infantry you have nothing. Personal view, not Confucius] Anyway, thanks for your amazing historical & perspective views. Remember, you rebel B------, you are literally the last bastion of freedom.
That carbine look great to me, seems very handy; dk about the follow up shots... but look good and handy to me.
That thing is beautiful.
I have one that was a cub or cadet rifle . Its re barreled and it marked as such I shoot it and is in good condition .
Thank you for another great video. Would love to see how these compare to a No. 5 in terms of portability and recoil.
Thank you , Ian .
I'm glad I found your channel. Love guns....
That early shot of the pitted crown gave me an involuntary spasm of horror. 0:18
Great info as always, thanks.
Love your videos. Is there any chance you would consider making a playlist for the Vietnam war similar to the WWI and WWII playlists? Keep up the great work!
Thanks Ian
I'm holding out for the Lee Marvin
I'm waiting on the Lee Majors myself.
I’m waiting on the Lee Iacocca.
As soon as I can, I'm getting a Lee Royjenkins myself.
@@lewisirwin5363 That one won't make it to production stage, somehow it'll manage to drive people testing prototypes into suicidal adventures.
Available only by the dirty dozen.
Neat video, as always of course. Hmmm . . . based on recollections along ago BBC series 'The Gun' the cavalry in the Boer War did have do a fair bit of fighting dismounted, where they did find the short range of the carbine a major disadvantage, whereas the infantry the "long" rifle, unnecessarily heavy, so hence the SMLE for the both arms. And also - if someone with a better knowledge of British early 20th century cavalry tactics than I have might be able to confirm or deny this - it became realised that dismounted fire action, as opposed to mounted shock action, would be increasingly important to mounted troops.
And FWIW the SMLE carbine (I think) gets a guest spot on BBC/HBOs 'His Dark Materials' as the long arm of one of the characters . . . the American aviator guy, can't remember his name.
Great video on a great rifle
This is so cool, I’ve been hoping (🇨🇦) for more Lee Enfield info on FW. BTW, I’m really into fine wood finishing, is that stock finished with linseed oil or teak oil or Polyurethane or...? It’s beautiful. Thanks!🤠
God those are my dream rifles I love the MLM and the MLE so to have carbine versions of them is just god tear
Last night I had a dream I met Ian and Doug Demuro at a park near my house lol. Random!!
now this is really high speed low drag!
At 9:24 you can see specks of white dotting the finish. I’ve had this on probably 25% of the guns I’ve owned, it’s like droplets of white paint. Anyone else ever encounter this?
Exposed to sunlight? Evidently this rifle didn't remain in Britain.
There is a Canadian guy who gets into these as well. Britishmuzzelloaders on youtube
Brilliant channel! Love watching his stuff. And the scenery is stunning.
At 9:33 it looks like there is white paint overspray on the rifle.
I used to have an Lee Enfield Tanker carbine in .308 w 10 round detachable magazine. I bought it in 1992. It was just a shortened No.1 maybe. Was that an actual issue or just a gunsmith's special? It was very short. 18" barrel maybe. It was called the Bulldog Carbine.
I remember when those were fairly common. I'm pretty sure they were conversions for the civilian market. They were handy little rifles.
@@quentintin1 That's what I thought. The wholesaler I bought guns from would always throw in an extra tokerev pistol or a paratrooper sks because I was ordering cases at a time. I wish I still had that little rifle. Whoever built them did a great job and the bore looked great. It was accurate enough I guess. I got an arsenal refurbished Spanish FR8 carbine from the same guy. It and the Bulldog were the same length.
@@itsapittie Yeah. Exactly. I carried mine around everywhere. I had in the trunk of my first police unit near 30 years ago. I was a cop in a small town at the bottom of the Sacramento mountains in NM. Deer would come down the highway and into town. Sometimes somebody would hit a deer, buck or die. Fish and game would give it away to people in town.
There have ben a few Sawn Off SMLE, mostly feild adaptions from rifles that were otherwise unsevicable. Tunnellers used a few in the Great War. A friend in Belgium lit a bonfire in his feild one night in celebration of the end of an event. We were all standing around toasting succes, when all hell broke loose , bangs and flashes and whining bullets , we all hit the ground. The fire on later examniation was found to have been started over what was left of a SMLE.
Like most of us I already knew about 8-rnd L-M mags but have never heard of a 6-rnd. A few days ago I asked in the comments of another L-E video of yours about the linked magazine - so nice of you to answer me by using your powers to lead me to this video! (just wondered, is it only on L-E's that the cleaning rod is removed? I will wait a few days and see which video answers that...)
Me again - actually you worked in even more mysterious ways because I've found that I had asked Jonathan Ferguson that question (linked mag) - I think we all need you, JF and C&R to live in one firearms commune to save us time? (as I say that I start getting nervous about "the Feds" getting the wrong idea...)
He did it again! He didn't post a vid yesterday.
I recall some time ago he had said he wasn't going to post regularly on Sundays
Am I the only one who wishes that we had contemporary calvary that weren't tanks, but like infantry troops that ride mechanized horses that fire from their snouts or something? I mean, that would be way more dangerous than tanks, so the actual troop would probably also need to be at least a cyborg riding a mechanized horse but if we're going that direction then you'd obviously want them equipped with some kind of energy melee weapons capable of destroying the other mechanized horses (or tanks, depending on how antiquated the other army is I guess).
I guess my point is these carbines are really beautiful and my favorite so far in this series of Lee Metford/Enfield weapons you've been doing.
I don't think you're the ONLY one, but I am glad none of you guys are in charge of military expenditures.
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@@jubuttib ha ha me too
@@tellmewhenitsover They're just really beautiful antique guns, I love the old British military rifles from this period and something about these carbines is just so elegant looking
I would love to add one of these beautiful carbine's to my collection but I think it would be easier to find Jimmy Hoffa. I have a few Enfield rifles but only one carbine and that is a Ishapore 2A carbines in 308. For some reason my dad loved this rifle so it was one that I kept. It's a fun one to shoot but the wood comes off after a few shots. I found a sporterizes from stock on ebay. I won it for $8.00. I felt bad because the guy was hoping to get more so I sent him a check for $20 so he didn't take such a big hit on it. I just didn't feel good about only paying $8 for it. The shipping was more then that. I know people will call me a fool for doing that but I think would I want that to happen to me. I would have been really bummed out so I did it to make me feel good. The guy was super happy that I did it so I guess everyone was happy. I have to do some work on the stock. It appears to be a bit shorter than it should be but a quarter of a inch. I have been waiting to fix it until I have fixed a few other rifles with the same problem. So far I have repaired 6 stocks from other manufacturers. I'm still not comfortable with my skills to work on my dad's carbine. I really only have one chance at it and don't want to mess it up. I could take it to a good gunsmith but I like to fix things myself if it's something that I am comfortable with. I see we have the same taste in books. I think I have about 8 of the same books for reference as you do. I don't have War Baby 2 yet. I'm a M1 carbine freak. I live them. I wish they had a upper for my AR-15 in .30 carbine. I guess there is no reason with the 300 blackout. The ballistics are about the same with a 110 gn bullet. I love my 300 blackout for the wide variety of bullets that it can shoot. I know it's not a antique firearm but I still love it but it's not a M1 carbine. I love your channel. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. Happy Safe Shooting 🇺🇸💪
You have the Heart!
THEY LOOK SO MUCH BETTER THAN THE MK. III
Who is going around thumbing down informative videos weirdos. Pleasant video as usual sir.
Probably those weirdos who felt offended by the video where Ian used a Chiappa Trinity while in costume as Jesus...
I noticed that the wider sling swivels were on the right side of the carbine. If you try to carry it across your back, I'd think that the bolt handle would dig into your back something awful.
The double, head to head arrow stamps, signify 'sold out of service', or released into the civilian market.
You're quite welcome.
Remember when you would get on a horse and pull these things out of nowhere in bf1
wacko I’m sure it’s a M1 carbine because the rifle in battle field 1 was semi auto and it didn’t need manual pullback
well the only one for the horse was the 1895 Russian but yes. that was and still is one of my most played games. I should play it again.
Noah Sanders there’s still always 10-20 live online games when I go back to it
@@MrRowrow22 nice. i gotta get on then
@@Hyena-hy2ni that didn't exist in ww1
Ian keeps saying Metford rifling is polygonal, but that's not right. Metford rifling has a round groove, rather than squared edged as in normal ["Enfield" in this context] rifling. Metford wasn't polygonal ["Whitworth"] rifling, it was its own thing, the rounded groove enabling the BP fouling to be somewhat self-cleaning, but the very subtle nature of it meant that when cordite came along w/ its MUCH hotter combustion temps, it eroded the Metford rifling rapidly, plus the fouling was so much less that the need for Metford rifling was eliminated, so the shift to Enfield rifling was done.
5:49 Come in!
I like these rifles a lot and I mean all Enfield rifles. I would really like to have one like in the movie ghost and the darkness. They are very unique in America.
You make so many videos. Im never sure if its 6 minutes or 6 years since posting.
Keep it up.
Pretty much the same leather rear sight cover and stud/screw as used on the previous Snider and Martini Cavalry Carbines.
No Ian, long enfield for the infantry, short enfield for the ARTILLERY. It´s the same thing with a bayonet lug but shorter. The cavalry carbine has no bayonet lug, bacause troopers have sabres.
The auxillery services would have got Martini-Henrys or even Sniders if native.
Yes, they didn´t come out with an artillery carbine from the start, but there were some couple of hundred carbines made.
I would love to know the title of the book with the long barell revolver with detachable stock on its spine
oomgg, it's so tinnny! Mum, can we keep it?
Ian,
Would this type of carbine been used by the Bushveldt Carbineers in the Boer War?
Rule 303, don’t you know...
With the cleaning/clearing rod omitted, was there ever any case of a rifle made inoperable because of a stuck case and no one had a rod to push it on of the chamber?
I mentioned this on another video, but the carbine sling was not if they dropped the carbine, but so they could drop the carbine. All this fuss about making it easy to go in the bucket, but why not just keep the sling?
2 questions...the magazine looks like the same one used in "The Ghost and the Darkness"...do you happen to know anything about that rifle, either the one used in the movie or the one used by the actual hunter?
Second, were they actually able to use the single load / magazine cutoff system in the cavalry? As someone who's done a fair amount of horseback riding, I can't imagine fumbling with a single cartridge and loading it into a chamber while at a brisk gait, much less a full gallop...seems like a great way to lose cartridges. I'm trying to figure what the procedure would've been to make use of such a system.
Great video, thanks. I was wondering, given that they made only 60k or so of the cavalry carbine rifle, compared to what I have been told is 17 million? SMLE / no.4, are the cavalry carbine rifles much more collectable? Are they more valuable on the open market?
More Lees! Very cool, was waiting for this
My dad pronounces it "kahr-bean". He works at a horse ranch. His name is Larry. Larry the Stable guy.
What was the thinking behind having such a short cleaning rod? If you have to screw 2 or 3 together to clear a jam wouldn't it be problematic when you have the native hoards bearing down upon you?
Awesome!
What were these rifles finished with?
Parts of mine look like they are blued, but others look too thick to be bluing.
In the good old days you didn't need rails for rifles, if you wanted to add something new you just bolted it to the stock. Wood forever!
Up next? What would Stoner do with the EM2
Imagine a video on the carbine pronunciations around all communities
There is something wrong with the Lee Milford carbine. The barrel is too short and the bayonet lug dis not look right???? Please explain
Sorry, I know this has nothing to do with this video but when can we expect an update on the bullpup book? I’m excited to learn about weird shaped pew pews
How effective was volley fire?
Funny how USA postings on the SMLE MkV claim that it kicked too much due to being shorter and lighter but no Troopers complained of their MLM Carbines in the South African War.
You mean the nr5. MkV was a nr1 with an aperture rear sight. Pretty rare, only between 20k-30k were built.
The Rifle No. 5 Mk I.
How do you know no one complained?
It seems unfair that the artillery and engineers were expected to use only single-shot weapons until you realize that the original Lee weapons could only load one round at a time, so once the magazine is empty, you either stop shooting to load the magazine back up, or you just single-load after each shot to keep up the fire. Suddenly, the Engineers and Artillery are not that bad off compared to the infantry and cavalry. Of course, I would rather have a magazine and not need it than not have a magazine at all, but until the British figured out how to use chargers, the Mausers and Mannlichers really had the edge in firearms with their quick-loading clips.
I used to own a L E Carbine. It was easier and more pleasant to shoot than the No5 that I owned.
I really want an Ishapore!!!
Why did they bother making the magazines detachable if they are linked to the guns? Is it just for cleaning/disassembly?
Ease of reloading in the age before stripper clips.
To not lose. Long Lee could be equipped with a second magazine, but there is nothing about their use with a carbine.
Did they drop the magazine to load them or load them with magazine still in the gun? Seems to defeat purpose of a removable magazine when linked to gun. I understand it would be easy to drop the mag on horseback by why make it removable then?
They'd probably use clips, but a detachable magazine was easier to manufacture than building the integral magazine
He said it pre-dates use of clips.
Because it's an infantry rifle conversion, not built from scratch.
More commonly known as the "Clop Clop Boom Boom"...
About time.
Reference material used for this episode: Ian.
Plenty of long range volley fire as late as the Second Sudan War
Carbine of an advanced musket=full size modern rifle length
I still don't get it. Why have a detachable magazine if it's undetachable from the rifle? And if spare mags were not a thing.
This is from the full size version where a second magazine could be inserted if available, and the chain kept the first one from being lost.
@@SLON-sh2jg Oh wow, it's been a while. Were spare mags issued though? AFAIK they weren't.
@@hoffbyte I don't really think it was ubiquitously but it was before 1903. There are a number of archival sources that describe it.
"The rifle of the Boers was an extremely effective one of small calibre, which was first turned out in the year 1895, whilst the Lee-Enfield dates from 1888, being first known as the Lee-Metford, and only in 1895 being altered to its present form. The Boer rifle was on the clip system. The Enfield had a detachable magazine holding ten cartridges - a defect in the latter was that it could only be filled by inserting single cartridges one after the other after the original ten were expended, or by the substitution of a fresh magazine."
@@SLON-sh2jg As you said, it doesn't say that it was ubiquitous. Still, a cool little bit of history.
@@hoffbyte I also found at one of the auctions a cavalry belt (produced in 1900) equipped with a small magazine pouch in the front. The idea, apparently, was to release a short magazine after using up 6 rounds and insert a second standard 10-shot, getting 10 extra shots. But in any case, this is an extra-rare thing.
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2000 yards?
I think you will find that all Cavalry units across the globe all used the Russian 1895 Winchesters. Battlefield 1 cannot be wrong.
the camera fell asleep 0:55
The G 98 was one of the best bolt actions of WW1 yet it should have been a carbine length rifle since bayoneting Calvary was an outdated tactic.
There was a carbine version of the Gewehr 98 in German service, it's just very rare today.
The Kar 98AZ existed back then and was produced in relatively large numbers, but a lot of those carbines were used by the Sturmtruppen and blown to bits or worn out beyond repair in WW1 or got issued late in WW2 and were the destroyed then. You can sometimes see Volkssturm and Volkgrenadier units field them in old pictures, you just have to look for the big stacking hook at the muzzle. Ian even has a video in which he buys one at an auction I believe.
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