Nintendo isn't God lol they can be insulted all day every day, doesn't mean they can be sued over it. Honestly wish someone would take them down a notch and fanboys would stop defending the rich corpos.
There was a very short lived mod for Fallout 4 when it first came out that changed the in-game Baseball uniforms to be Boston Red Sox uniforms, but the Boston Red Sox quickly issued a cease and desist to that mod creator.
@@lego007guym8 it's not though. As written the claimant has to *PROVE* from financial harm from the infringement. Which they cannot do, particularly since modding generally causes them financial GAIN. "IP control" doesn't factor into it. But most of these never make INTO court because they know they will lose on the merits. They file and then spam continuance requests until their target gives in or goes broke. What the game & entertainment industry does is equivalent of Ford suing a Ford owner for lifting his truck and painting a giant "Ford" logo on the side, or microsoft suing because you post a photo of your pc with a partially eaten apple sitting on the monitor
It's so stupid how this companies look at people basically doing free work for the love of the franchise and not lean in into that or hiring them, props to SEGA for actually hiring fans for the Sonic franchise
@@ironclad-m3qfor real that would work every time. Let’s the small team of two or three make a game better than yours, pay them like, 3 or 4 million each, offer them a job working on it, and then also offer up like .5% of income from all future sales. It’s a shit deal, but most people would probably take it, because 99% of them do this for free, and nearly all of them would want to keep working on their project to make it better. Anyways the above math works out to like 4m plus 600k if it sells 2m copies. And for the people giving out all that money they spend 12m (3people) up front and 1.8m over time as a budget, making infinitely more money than their usual 60-100m budget game. And if they considered the 60-100m their budget for every game they could even sweeten that deal for the people who made it considerably so long as they stayed under the budget and it would be considered an incredibly lucrative business decision since it would still cost less than their usual startup. They could offer each person 5% of each sale and make them incredibly rich and still write the game off as something they produced for half budget
I love that Bloodbourne Kart seems to now be a staple of videos like this. Lilith made a stellar game, and she's pretty awesome to boot, I'm glad she's gotten at least some of the recognition she deserves
Meanwhile you have Bethesda which is so mod friendly that we now have Endereal as its own game and Forgotten City also as it's own game on top of both Skywind and Skyblivion being given full passes for release and Fallout London ALSO being allowed. People can hate on Bethesda all they want for allowing mod authors to make money but they do not get enough credit for being so supportive of their own fan base.
I didn’t know mod authors could make money. Or are you talking about the creation club? Because correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve been told that everything on the creation club is just a rip-off of whatever mod it’s claiming to be and the original mod creators don’t actually get any of the profits.
It's not like they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart - as long as people continue making free content Todd can continue selling Skyrim. Unlike Nintendo they can't just sell IP licenses to merch manufacturers for a shitload of money.
Skyrim used to have a Zoidberg mud crab mod. It was unfortunately removed from the Nexus due to copyright. Mainly the fact that the mod used Zoidberg voice clips.
What about the recent MW2 multiplayer fan made remaster... Activision allowed thousands of people to buy Modern Warfare Remastered to run the mod, which catapulted it the top of Steam sales, before sending a cease and desist to the mod creators (by which point a lot of people were ineligible for a refund). Real classy move.
So typical of Activision, though. I expect a similar thing to happen with the upcoming almost-done fan-port of Bloodborn to PC, because apparently Sony loathes that IP with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suprnovas.
No they didn't. They let people buy their remastered game and when then when they found out about the mod they sent the cease and desist letters. There's nothing wrong with people buying their game, there is something wrong with people modding it against their wishes which was what they had a problem with. The majority of people who bought the remasters did it because they wanted the remaster.
@@MrNight18 Right, I'm sure the sale was scheduled the week before the mod released by complete coincidence, I'm sure the C&D coming right when the sale ended and the mod was set to release the next day was purely by chance, and I'm sure the fact that the game was dead until the mod was close to release and even deader after the C&D means nothing. If people bought it because they wanted it then why didn't they literally any other time it was on sale, why didn't the game retain players after? You don't reach record sales for a 7 year old game out of nowhere and still have less than 100 players without tricking your community
The secret to make a fangame work is to keep silent about it until it's done. This not only takes strong willpower but usually more money than solo devs have. But if you can accomplish it, get the game/mod done and then release it everywhere quickly, it basically spreads on its own so even when the takedown order happens, it's spread enough that people can still get it if they look hard enough. I'm all for companies protecting some stuff but if they're not using it, c'mon, let the fans use it.
Nintendo also seems to have a bone of contention when you accept "donations" or "funding", putting that in quotations because they'll use that in legal to go after you. So be careful with how you fund your projects. Be careful out there!
Nintendo just has a huge stick up their ass and a huge legal team that the laws don't apply fan stuff should (frankly) be protected Fair Use but Fair Use doesn't matter when you have so much money you can hire a legal team that can lie their way past any judge
Nintendo to the general public : family-friendly wholesome company Nintendo to creative fans : pray that the jealous overlord doesn't hear about your mod idea
Maria!... (What do you mean that's a Sonic character? What do you mean Shadow got their own spinoff game? Who the fuck is Gerald Robotnik? Why did someone get named Gerald?)
@@AFAIK-l8kTheir entertainment division lost billions and the gaming division in particular lost over 20% gross profit year over year for several years now
Their seeming contempt for the game is only matched by their hatred of anyone who tries to revive it. Like, c'mon... Don't tell me you guys couldn't prepare a 60 fps patch for PS4 Pro and PS5...
This new Oxboxtra era where they don't mince words ripping into the industry but stay wholesome and friendly is a fun little turn. Dev backpeddles, bad movies, irksome gaming trends, and now Nintendo's whole deal. Did they used to be more beholden to sponsorships or an editor?
Yeah I wonder what happened. I love this new critical approach, but I do wonder what made them more bold in their (legitimate) criticism. I would love Playstation Access to be more critical as well, but it's probably impossible as they are the official PS channel 😅.
4:23 natural sounding "I've got a need for speed that can't be tamed!" I'm legit surprised that's not actual dialogue somewhere in Fast And Furious. Also, that sounded as natural as "a Jill sandwich".
The wonderful thing about these mods is that nothing is ever truly gone from the Internet. With enough dedication and willingness to poke around and shady places, you can still find and play these mods.
Nexus knows that full well. It was their way round certain Skyrim modders being utter children. Every time they'd pull a mod from a Wabbajack mod list because they were having a strop it broke them. When Nexus decided to let people upload mod packs to their servers they didn't want the same problem. So they archived the lot meaning it was basically impossible. The "unintended" consequences of this is that an awful lot of deleted mods are very definitely still there hanging around.
With some of those games receiving constant updates (palworld for sure and to minor degree gta 5) - those mods, even from pirate websites, are very unlikely to work after some time...
@@serhii_himself_98 Not always. Some mods are more compatible with multiple versions than others. More often than not as well, a mod is more likely to clash with earlier game versions than what it was intended for, rather than later game versions In other words, if a mod was made for a particular game version, and you have a newer game version, the mod would more likely still work, barring outliers like game changing updates
And hoping you don't become popular at doing that mod on a video, Because then Nintendo will see it and will sue your **** what will not be great I already know they were very big on their ip and keeping it very close at hand but sometimes they really go out of the way to go there I always thought so long it was free they could not do anything but apparently they can and then you have stuff that looks alike and they still go after it even though it's not the same it's just close resemble it
@@3nertia Incorrect. Capitalism did not invent lawyers, and Communism has lawyers as well. This comment is factually incorrect and should be treated as such. Soon the user who posted it will likely claim it was a 'Joke'.
I don't know if I'm missing something, but given how notoriously litigious Nintendo is, I'm genuinely surprised Palworld lasted this long before a lawsuit
The vast majority of Pals are sufficiently distinct that there would be no legal basis for a lawsuit off character art alone. The recent lawsuit was because Pal World uses orbs to capture and interact with Pals the same ways Pokemon uses Pokeballs And even that debatably shouldn’t be enough for a lawsuit. I personally don’t like the idea of Pokemon being the only series that can use orbs to catch and call upon creatures
@@UncalibratedAimbot From my understanding, one of the main patents they've cited isn't even using orbs to capture monsters. It's one that basically amounts to "using a mount to fly and then switch to being on the ground", but worded even more vaguely and in lawyerese. This in theory would conflict with *many* games other than just Palworld, including most MMOs that have a mount system like Final Fantasy XIV and WoW, both of which have had such a system for years. The worst part? This patent was obtained by Nintendo *after* Palworld had already come out.
I'm currently recovering from a really major surgery, thank you for reminding me to watch holy Grail since laughter is the best medicine (and also no pain no gain (it was abdominal surgery))
Before Disney bought off congress into extending the copyright law to 70 years after the creators death it was originally only seven years. Think about that. They basically stole the ability of the people to own what becomes our own culture. Obviously the artist and IP owner deserve to be compensated AND protected from misuse of their creation; that's why the law was designed to last for a full seven years AFTER DEATH of the creator; so the family could still reap the rewards for longer then any insurance, etc policy ever provided. So the vision could be protected. My children or grand children should be able to freely use Pokemon or Woody from Toy Story in their own creations by the time they're adults. Instead it'll be their great great great grand children.
i remember back in the day Dawn of War 1 had a mod for Alien vs Predator since you could not play AvP Extinction on PC due to being console exclusive, modders were making their own version and it got super far till fox stepped in
Don't forget the "Samsung grenade" mods. They may have been a bit on the nose, but I had a Samsung tablet that had it's battery puff up like a pillow around that time, so I found the mods funny as heck.
I never payed much attention to Palworld, but, after seeing it in this video, i find it humorous that you can just punch the creatures in it into unconsciousness
@@MizterTonik Absolutely, that was the comparison I was making when it first came out, having played *a lot* of all three. (Funnily enough the speculation is that the lawsuit is most likely over Nintendo's patent of the "pokeball" system for catching creatures, and Ark itself has cryopods you can use to store your dinosaurs - not to catch them, so there is a difference, but the similarity is enough that a heck of a lot of Ark content creators just straight up refer to both them and the various improved modded versions as pokeballs.) There's been a fair few Pokemon mods for Ark too, though the ones I've either tried myself or seen others play tend to be a bit janky.
@@MizterTonik That actually piques my interest. I’ve played a lot of Pokemon over the years and I discovered Ark a few months ago and really enjoy it. I might have to take another look at Palworld.
So a guy looked at pal world and saw Nintendo salivating at the mouth cuz they wanted to sue it but couldn't do so at least immediately, and thought "I know what'll make Nintendo happy, ACTUAL pokemon in pal world"
to be fair it was more likely Nintendo went after the mod cause the modder was charging people for it, Nintendo might have still tried to sue even if he hadn't but they sure as hell wouldn't have had a guaranteed win, as soon as you use someone else's property to make money you have already lost
Be honest, did Luke really want to do his own thing or was it a mutually agreed to distancing following multiple cease and desists from Nintendo over his "link is doom guy" theory and all those mario art projects like yoshette?
some ideas for oxbox: times games made you cruel to a companion. in assassin's creed odyssey for example you can tame wild animals as pets, only to realize if the pet dies in battle, the game still allows you to loot it...your faithful friend you may have had for hours or days of playtime just died in front of you and you immediately take their skin and meat as loot.
Nintendo fan: Here's a cool mod for favorite nintendo characters. Nintendo: How dare you like our stuff that much, take it down or suffer the wrath of our lawyers. Nintendo fan:..... ok.
We got a Mount and Blade Warband mod themed on Skyrim. It was unfortunately taken down due to copyrights, so I doubt we'll get any Skyrim themed overhauls for Bannerlord. There is a Daggerfall themed mod on Moddb though 👍
1:45 to be fair that mod would have got the Palworld more trouble. If normal people saw that mod and didn't know it was a mod. Those allegations of them copy and Pokemon would have been more deeper. There were already people saying they found these Pokemon secretly in the game files. When it was just this mod. Also he was charging for that mod. So he was making money off of them.
Well one big reason the Palworld mode was struck was the guy was charging people for the mod. I have seen mods for other games that puts a few pokemon into other games that are free and were not struck. So I think was more this person was making money off a mod that was based a Nintendo IP
Nintendo a massive amount of times still falsely copyright claim and threaten legal action. Even if they can't win the case they still will sue, just to abuse the corporate favoring system and attempt to bankrupt their opponent rather than actually win a case. Or just win despite laws because of money and influence. It's a common corporate tactic that Nintendo constantly abuses.
@@deadersurvival4716 Actually receiving money to gain access to anything is proof that financial damages exist in a court of law. Lots of fan projects get away with receiving money to develop fan projects that infringe on an IP because funding the development isn't the same as buying a product. When you can say X paid Y amount to gain Z which is clearly protected under copyright then you have grounds for a lawsuit with teeth.
@@deadersurvival4716 No it makes a big difference. Making it free means you can still potentially argue the mod has a fair use standing, but charging money to make a profit changes everything (not as much if you're charging at cost,) unless you have permission to do so. The point is less that "It's always about the money," and more a fact that you're putting a massive target on your back if you are charging money (Yuzu was hit with the hammer over other emulators for the same reason, (on top of their debatable promotion of pirating with their "We don't condone it, but if we were to..." type ads, as were a few other famous Nintendo cases, not that most people remember this part...)
Honestly, "you can keep doing what you're doing so long as you scrub the serial numbers off, please" was a reasonably chill response to Bloodborne Kart.
Wow, it sure was "chill" of them to mess with an incredibly creative fan project to protect an IP they're not using for a game they refuse to port! How's that boot tasting?
@@exuberantOddity, yeah, screw IP rights...if someone isn't using it, its fair game, right? Rare currently isn't using the Conker IP...go ahead and make Conker Cart and see how you fare.
@@Alsebra I rightfully can't say I give a shit about IP rights when the current state of them is all bent out of shape by corporations making sure they own the stuff their employees create are exclusively theirs forever. For a while, sure. But I really do think some measure of "use it or lose it" should apply, and it should be much shorter. I like it when an artist has the rights to their own creation, but the company itself is the one who owns it completely, and they buy and sell them around like they're just the same as any other commodity.
@@Zyart Why though? Nintendo makes amazing games, which they defend to the teeth, sure. But that does make Nintendo games the actual games I want to play.
@@jonothanthrace1530, pretty sure that Nintendo still holds the rights to the whole "Game Name" 64 set-up...if nothing else, they could argue that it would confuse people into thinking it was a Nintendo game (despite them not using the 64 for years now).
The issue with Portal 64 wasn't the fact it was Valve IP being used, but rather the software being used to engineer the game to run on the N64 was a SDK that was 'lifted' from Nintendo's servers many years ago without licensing or even Reverse Engineering. Valve is pretty open to fangames using their IP, but it was the SDK in question being of dubious legality that got the original project stopped and rebooted with a legally-clean SDK.
@@Alsebra I'm going to be blunt... I don't think the concept of "Game Name 64" is something that anyone can have rights to, since it's kinda negating the entire point of making 64 products... Plus, there are many gaming products that go by year, and there might be a few issues for even Nintendo trying to hold that one down against WWE 64, FIFA 64, or the numerous games that have done that since being ON the original console.
@@deadersurvival4716 I dunno, I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to do exactly that when the year 2064 comes around. The "2kXX" naming convention has become popular lately, so naming them WWE 2k64, FIFA 2k64, etc would be Legally Distinct enough from the by-that-point _seven decade old console..._
Fun fact there’s still tons of Nintendo content I. Gmod’s workshop. Most people agree that the takedown request was a copyright troll. There is no feasible way Nintendo could ACTUALLY get away with this.
World of Warcraft and Nostalrius would fit this theme! Since WoW updates its permanent in-game universe with every expac, eventually the original 2004 "vanilla" base game was lost to time. It played very differently than the newer expansions, and people wanted it back, so a private server named Nostalrius was created based around the original game client in 2015. It was super popular for nearly a year with over 800K players before Blizzard came in and shut it down. There was a happy ending, though! Blizzard ended up talking to the Nostalrius team and realized there was a demand for the original vanilla game, and this led to the development of WOW Classic years later.
That Pokémon mod from toasted was a half baked, asset ripped cash grab that he put on his patron, honestly the one time I agree with a mod take down from Nintendo Still hate Corptendo but they did the right thing
i hope disney doesnt decide to go after star wars mods for several games. the Starfield mod that is basically a whole Star Wars overhaul is really impressive.
El Dewrito was a great game. Glad it brought Halo to PC. Also, I don't know how you can mispronounce it so bad. It's a combination of Mountain Dew and Doritos.
Shoutouts to Edmund Mcmillian The only example I can remember of a game dev seeing a massively popular mod of their game and making the apparently galaxy brained move of officially hiring the mod team and have them recreate the mod as an official DLC
9:50 now Tolkien fans are just starved for a game set anywhere but the bleak, repetetive, uninspired wastelands of mordor. Still two of the biggest swing-and-a-miss games
Life is full of small mysteries. Because my impression from this video would be that those lawyers are causing their employers a lot more damage that good. Preventing good, free, propaganda from happening. While making the companies unlikeable, like cartoonish villains. And yet, those lawyers are advocating in favour of those employers.
Came back to watch oxbox almost 4 years later again after the lockdown. Andy, Jane and Mike seem to have actually gotten younger since then, what sorcery is this !!! :P
I remember a huge and beloved Mod Project: MERP (Middle Earth Roleplaying) Mod for TES IV Oblivion (PC) Sadly got stopped because lawyers.... What a shame. It looked soooo awesome.
I’ve never understood why developers don’t say “Hey, you either have to release this for free and receive no profits, or give us any profits you make.” So many passion projects would make it through, developers would make money, and they can still reserve the right to shut it down whenever. We want to play games. Fun games. These devs aren’t delivering and we’re trying to fill the gap. Either go back to when you were good at your jobs or step aside and realize how bad you’ve become.
2:34 This legal blaze will smoulder for years to come but when the smoke clears surely we will have a whooping text box to fill in the blank. Truly they thought of everything.
Also, this probably isn't the channel where you'd get a nonbiased answer, but I would eat popcorn watching a debate as to whether Disney or Nintendo is the more heartless and morally bankrupt corporation that feeds on cheery emotions for their own profit margins. They're like the Superman and Batman of depressing nostalgia-based capitalism.
nah, Disney are by far worse. Nintendo are just incredibly over protective of their products but still make pretty high quality games (if you ignore everything from Gamefreak) while Disney are....... well Disney
@@axlejones6281 Nintendo is letting old games die because... We don't really know. It's not a financially safe move for them and they get nothing for it. Some of the lawyers are quoted as saying "well if anything goes wrong then we don't want them to know it's not the company!" so then...release the game like your other titles? But no. Not happening. That's just ONE problem. But I nominate American Girl (Mattel). There's been a few deep dives of what they've been up to lately. They're making Nintendo and Disney look beyond reasonable. Like talking to an adorable kitten who just wants a little chin scratch. American Girl/Mattel right now? Like reasoning with a moose.
At least Disney stuff is more open, where one can watch their TV and movie gems in many platforms. Nintendo is just addicted to their own slowly entropying systems, even though common sense by rereleasing them on, say, the PC would mean ginormous profits.
Middle Earth Roleplaying Project was a mod originally developed for Oblivion, with it's first release in 2009. Shortly after getting ported to Skyrim it got a cease and desist from WB and had to shut down in 2013. I still have it in my bookmarks. Maybe it's time to let go.
Yellow Rat is my favourite legally distinct pocket sized creature
I know. How could Mike not choose it?
I prefer Red-Tinted Brown Fox, personally.
Have they released your family? its been two weeks? 😢
They say that every time a child draws a picture of their favourite Pokémon, a Nintendo lawyer appears out of thin air to kick their ass.
Can confirm. Painted a Mario level for my son, and this dude in a suit materialized in the room to torch it and slap me with a stack of papers.
Being a Nintendo lawyer means you'll never ever EVER have a slow day at work.
Or a Soul for a day.
It also means you get to visit super hell
They probably even compete to see who can stop more people/companies
nintendo lawer says "which 8yr's life am i going to ruin today
@@Handlelesswithme Because as a Nintendo Lawyer, you live in Ultra Hell.
rip OXB for mentioning Nintendo multiple times in the video in a bad manner and facing a lawsuit.
A fate worse than death if you ask me.
"Thou shalt not have any other Nintengods before me!"
Nintendo isn't God lol they can be insulted all day every day, doesn't mean they can be sued over it. Honestly wish someone would take them down a notch and fanboys would stop defending the rich corpos.
@@xZephyrFearsx Philip..... made a sarcastic joke. OBVIOUSLY..... pull your head out of your ass. Nobody here is defending Nintendo...
@@xZephyrFearsx there will always be meat riders for the rich
honestly, saying "i've got a need for speed that can't be tamed" in a lethargic manner is pretty funny
In that tone: No seriously. Do you know where I can get some speed? I'm tweakin man.
Honestly, I thought that was just Michelle Rodriguez. It seemed dead on for her acting.
I was so sad when I found out that "sentient streets" didn't mean giving the pavements awareness and the ability to interact with their world.
I was expecting something about the scenery itself reacting to the player's antics (usually with hostility).
Like that Doom Patrol character.
@@chriswest6988Damn, beat me to it!.
I think they'd be sick of getting walked all over...
I thought that too, at first.
There was a very short lived mod for Fallout 4 when it first came out that changed the in-game Baseball uniforms to be Boston Red Sox uniforms, but the Boston Red Sox quickly issued a cease and desist to that mod creator.
That's so stupid; I always forget how insane sports and music copyright is
Legally distinct Boston Red Sucks
@@lego007guym8 it's not though. As written the claimant has to *PROVE* from financial harm from the infringement.
Which they cannot do, particularly since modding generally causes them financial GAIN.
"IP control" doesn't factor into it.
But most of these never make INTO court because they know they will lose on the merits. They file and then spam continuance requests until their target gives in or goes broke.
What the game & entertainment industry does is equivalent of Ford suing a Ford owner for lifting his truck and painting a giant "Ford" logo on the side, or microsoft suing because you post a photo of your pc with a partially eaten apple sitting on the monitor
It's so stupid how this companies look at people basically doing free work for the love of the franchise and not lean in into that or hiring them, props to SEGA for actually hiring fans for the Sonic franchise
Hey, Microsoft did do that, and Valve does do that.
The problem is that nobody seems to care when it's them.
Imagine if Sony gave Bloodborne Kart (and Bloodborne PSX) their official blessing!
It’d literally make everybody happy (and richer)
Dont forget Firaxis with thei XCOM 2
Doesn't even have to hire them. Just buy it when it finishes if it garners big interest.
@@ironclad-m3qfor real that would work every time. Let’s the small team of two or three make a game better than yours, pay them like, 3 or 4 million each, offer them a job working on it, and then also offer up like .5% of income from all future sales. It’s a shit deal, but most people would probably take it, because 99% of them do this for free, and nearly all of them would want to keep working on their project to make it better.
Anyways the above math works out to like 4m plus 600k if it sells 2m copies. And for the people giving out all that money they spend 12m (3people) up front and 1.8m over time as a budget, making infinitely more money than their usual 60-100m budget game. And if they considered the 60-100m their budget for every game they could even sweeten that deal for the people who made it considerably so long as they stayed under the budget and it would be considered an incredibly lucrative business decision since it would still cost less than their usual startup. They could offer each person 5% of each sale and make them incredibly rich and still write the game off as something they produced for half budget
What is a lawyer's favourite type of wrestling?
Sue-mo.
Leave Mo alone, he's depressed enough as it is.
@@Eddy_Grimm Mo' lawyers, mo' money.
@@askennedy6076 Mo' money, mo' problems.
Buh dum tish
😂😂😂😂😂 why was that hilarious
I love that Bloodbourne Kart seems to now be a staple of videos like this. Lilith made a stellar game, and she's pretty awesome to boot, I'm glad she's gotten at least some of the recognition she deserves
I still like the idea of Bloodborne Kart.
even if the Bloodborne version of the funny fangame is dead, it lives on as Nightmare Kart at least.
Hell yeah, so rad to see. Loved seeing Luke giving Bloodborne PSX and Nightmare Kart on stream!
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She's one of my favorite online artist. She really deserved to get her game out there
Meanwhile you have Bethesda which is so mod friendly that we now have Endereal as its own game and Forgotten City also as it's own game on top of both Skywind and Skyblivion being given full passes for release and Fallout London ALSO being allowed. People can hate on Bethesda all they want for allowing mod authors to make money but they do not get enough credit for being so supportive of their own fan base.
I didn’t know mod authors could make money. Or are you talking about the creation club? Because correct me if I’m wrong, but I’ve been told that everything on the creation club is just a rip-off of whatever mod it’s claiming to be and the original mod creators don’t actually get any of the profits.
@@heartofthewild680 the modders upload to the creation club shop themselves
It's not like they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart - as long as people continue making free content Todd can continue selling Skyrim. Unlike Nintendo they can't just sell IP licenses to merch manufacturers for a shitload of money.
I love the inclusion of the third text panel. Perfect joke.
Felt like something Ellen came up with😂
They have done that for years.
@@RevanAlaire Still worth mentioning. Plus comments are good for the algorithm.
@@nashdiy8570 True.
What are some other ways that we can please the algorithm?
Skyrim used to have a Zoidberg mud crab mod. It was unfortunately removed from the Nexus due to copyright. Mainly the fact that the mod used Zoidberg voice clips.
I haven't checked myself (not on pc), but the creator of that mod said recently that it's back again!
Quick! Someone get a person with an uncannily accurate Zoidberg impression!
@@MetaGiga I'm better at GIR. "Hi, floor! Make me a sammich!"😺👻
What about the recent MW2 multiplayer fan made remaster... Activision allowed thousands of people to buy Modern Warfare Remastered to run the mod, which catapulted it the top of Steam sales, before sending a cease and desist to the mod creators (by which point a lot of people were ineligible for a refund). Real classy move.
So typical of Activision, though.
I expect a similar thing to happen with the upcoming almost-done fan-port of Bloodborn to PC, because apparently Sony loathes that IP with the white-hot intensity of a thousand suprnovas.
No they didn't. They let people buy their remastered game and when then when they found out about the mod they sent the cease and desist letters. There's nothing wrong with people buying their game, there is something wrong with people modding it against their wishes which was what they had a problem with. The majority of people who bought the remasters did it because they wanted the remaster.
@@MrNight18 Right, I'm sure the sale was scheduled the week before the mod released by complete coincidence, I'm sure the C&D coming right when the sale ended and the mod was set to release the next day was purely by chance, and I'm sure the fact that the game was dead until the mod was close to release and even deader after the C&D means nothing.
If people bought it because they wanted it then why didn't they literally any other time it was on sale, why didn't the game retain players after?
You don't reach record sales for a 7 year old game out of nowhere and still have less than 100 players without tricking your community
@@MrNight18 So, what does Activision's boot taste like anyways?
@@CharlesLeeBayyou sound like a conspiracy theorist bro. There was no grand plan it was just bad timing
The secret to make a fangame work is to keep silent about it until it's done. This not only takes strong willpower but usually more money than solo devs have. But if you can accomplish it, get the game/mod done and then release it everywhere quickly, it basically spreads on its own so even when the takedown order happens, it's spread enough that people can still get it if they look hard enough. I'm all for companies protecting some stuff but if they're not using it, c'mon, let the fans use it.
Nintendo also seems to have a bone of contention when you accept "donations" or "funding", putting that in quotations because they'll use that in legal to go after you. So be careful with how you fund your projects. Be careful out there!
Nintendo just has a huge stick up their ass and a huge legal team that the laws don't apply fan stuff should (frankly) be protected Fair Use but Fair Use doesn't matter when you have so much money you can hire a legal team that can lie their way past any judge
Or or just make your own indie IP
Isn't that what Pokémon Uranium did?
@@bezerkoid No, everyone knew about it, there was even a devblog.
Nintendo to the general public : family-friendly wholesome company
Nintendo to creative fans : pray that the jealous overlord doesn't hear about your mod idea
Nintendo is just the Disney of Japan and almost as evil.
You've got it all wrong Nintendo, this character isn't Mario, he's a completely new character named... Wario... dammit!
You don't have to worry about creatively bankrupt copycats if you're even more creatively bankrupt than the people trying to copy you
Maria!... (What do you mean that's a Sonic character? What do you mean Shadow got their own spinoff game? Who the fuck is Gerald Robotnik? Why did someone get named Gerald?)
Wait wait I got it!... Σario!
Dario then?
Mareyow
"What's wrong, Sony? Don't you like money?" Relevant burn.
Sony is doing just fine compared to Xbox and Nintendo
@@AFAIK-l8kTheir entertainment division lost billions and the gaming division in particular lost over 20% gross profit year over year for several years now
Sony loves keeping Bloodborne in a fancy ornate cabinet and viciously attacking anyone who even glances at it.
Their seeming contempt for the game is only matched by their hatred of anyone who tries to revive it. Like, c'mon... Don't tell me you guys couldn't prepare a 60 fps patch for PS4 Pro and PS5...
Considering Sony just bought all the shares to Fromsofts parent company we might finally be getting that Bloodborne 2
I was surprised to see Valve on this list, because they generally never litigate against fans, and then the other shoe dropped, haha.
This new Oxboxtra era where they don't mince words ripping into the industry but stay wholesome and friendly is a fun little turn. Dev backpeddles, bad movies, irksome gaming trends, and now Nintendo's whole deal. Did they used to be more beholden to sponsorships or an editor?
Yeah I wonder what happened. I love this new critical approach, but I do wonder what made them more bold in their (legitimate) criticism. I would love Playstation Access to be more critical as well, but it's probably impossible as they are the official PS channel 😅.
"Upcoming Michael Bay Skibidi Toilet movie" might be the most random sequence of words ever spoken by a human being
4:23 natural sounding
"I've got a need for speed that can't be tamed!"
I'm legit surprised that's not actual dialogue somewhere in Fast And Furious.
Also, that sounded as natural as "a Jill sandwich".
well as natural as you can get with AI
I assume the people worshipping the AI are unhinged like that on purpose
at the very least you can use it as justification XD
The wonderful thing about these mods is that nothing is ever truly gone from the Internet. With enough dedication and willingness to poke around and shady places, you can still find and play these mods.
Shhhh! Don't let Nexus Mods know we can still download the mods they took down from their own archive
Nexus knows that full well. It was their way round certain Skyrim modders being utter children. Every time they'd pull a mod from a Wabbajack mod list because they were having a strop it broke them. When Nexus decided to let people upload mod packs to their servers they didn't want the same problem. So they archived the lot meaning it was basically impossible. The "unintended" consequences of this is that an awful lot of deleted mods are very definitely still there hanging around.
With some of those games receiving constant updates (palworld for sure and to minor degree gta 5) - those mods, even from pirate websites, are very unlikely to work after some time...
@@serhii_himself_98 Not always. Some mods are more compatible with multiple versions than others. More often than not as well, a mod is more likely to clash with earlier game versions than what it was intended for, rather than later game versions
In other words, if a mod was made for a particular game version, and you have a newer game version, the mod would more likely still work, barring outliers like game changing updates
And hoping you don't become popular at doing that mod on a video, Because then Nintendo will see it and will sue your **** what will not be great I already know they were very big on their ip and keeping it very close at hand but sometimes they really go out of the way to go there I always thought so long it was free they could not do anything but apparently they can and then you have stuff that looks alike and they still go after it even though it's not the same it's just close resemble it
In Lionel Hutz voice:
Could you imagine a world without lawyers...
*DISGUSTED SHUDDER*
I can't. Legally not allowed to. They'd sue me if I tried!
If only.
Only in a world without capitalism ...
@@3nertia Incorrect. Capitalism did not invent lawyers, and Communism has lawyers as well. This comment is factually incorrect and should be treated as such. Soon the user who posted it will likely claim it was a 'Joke'.
I don't know if I'm missing something, but given how notoriously litigious Nintendo is, I'm genuinely surprised Palworld lasted this long before a lawsuit
the filing papers actually included a line about how they were taking time to build the case. I don't think Pocketpair is coming out of this alive....
The vast majority of Pals are sufficiently distinct that there would be no legal basis for a lawsuit off character art alone.
The recent lawsuit was because Pal World uses orbs to capture and interact with Pals the same ways Pokemon uses Pokeballs
And even that debatably shouldn’t be enough for a lawsuit. I personally don’t like the idea of Pokemon being the only series that can use orbs to catch and call upon creatures
@@UncalibratedAimbot I'm wishing so hard that both Nintendo and patent laws get whompped from this
@@UncalibratedAimbot From my understanding, one of the main patents they've cited isn't even using orbs to capture monsters. It's one that basically amounts to "using a mount to fly and then switch to being on the ground", but worded even more vaguely and in lawyerese. This in theory would conflict with *many* games other than just Palworld, including most MMOs that have a mount system like Final Fantasy XIV and WoW, both of which have had such a system for years. The worst part? This patent was obtained by Nintendo *after* Palworld had already come out.
@@Gamer3427 Capcom is going to have some Stories about this. :P
Loved the texts. Half expected to start reading about moose and fjords.
I'm currently recovering from a really major surgery, thank you for reminding me to watch holy Grail since laughter is the best medicine (and also no pain no gain (it was abdominal surgery))
*møøse
My heart just dropped into my stomach hearing Mike say "skibidi toilet" let alone "upcoming Michael Bay skibidi toilet movie"
I paused, searched and then went ".....Why?"
@@bryonyperecat5954Because Michael Bay is clinically insane and Hollyweird is re**arded.
I'm afraid to Google it to see if it is actually real...
@@dhelor It is. Unfortunately it is.
We're living inside a simulation and someone picked the Wild Wasteland perk.
Before Disney bought off congress into extending the copyright law to 70 years after the creators death it was originally only seven years. Think about that. They basically stole the ability of the people to own what becomes our own culture. Obviously the artist and IP owner deserve to be compensated AND protected from misuse of their creation; that's why the law was designed to last for a full seven years AFTER DEATH of the creator; so the family could still reap the rewards for longer then any insurance, etc policy ever provided. So the vision could be protected.
My children or grand children should be able to freely use Pokemon or Woody from Toy Story in their own creations by the time they're adults. Instead it'll be their great great great grand children.
I loathe disney and Nintendo for these reasons. I will never buy a Nintendo product because of how insane they are with their lawsuits.
Holy shit, the "bolt guns to euthanize horses" killed me Lmfao 😂
You're not the only one. The horses, too
Got us a a-hoof
Also it's no longer a bolt gun and now a Boltgun.
Are you a horse by any chance?
Nay
i remember back in the day Dawn of War 1 had a mod for Alien vs Predator since you could not play AvP Extinction on PC due to being console exclusive, modders were making their own version and it got super far till fox stepped in
Don't forget the "Samsung grenade" mods. They may have been a bit on the nose, but I had a Samsung tablet that had it's battery puff up like a pillow around that time, so I found the mods funny as heck.
Palword is not "Pokémon with guns", it's "Ark with Pokémon"
That's fair
Very true.
Never played it, but always felt it looked that way. Although the gameplay I've seen would suggest it runs better than ark.
Yeah. Besides, it's Digimon that's "pokemon with guns"
@@Zoso14892 It runs better and doesn't take up hundreds of gigs of hard drive space.
I would absolutely buy ‘Rord of the Lings: suck it Warner Brothers’
tbh, that title would very likely be protected under parody law.
How there isn't already a parody film called "Suck it Warner Bros" will be a mystery for the ages.
Rord of the Lings: The Great Tax Bake Off.
I never payed much attention to Palworld, but, after seeing it in this video, i find it humorous that you can just punch the creatures in it into unconsciousness
Hoo boy, have I got an Oxventure video to show you!
Sounds like Ark really.
@@mikoto7693The gameplay is much closer to Ark than Pokemon, I would say. Very similar feel, especially with the UI and technology menu.
@@MizterTonik Absolutely, that was the comparison I was making when it first came out, having played *a lot* of all three. (Funnily enough the speculation is that the lawsuit is most likely over Nintendo's patent of the "pokeball" system for catching creatures, and Ark itself has cryopods you can use to store your dinosaurs - not to catch them, so there is a difference, but the similarity is enough that a heck of a lot of Ark content creators just straight up refer to both them and the various improved modded versions as pokeballs.) There's been a fair few Pokemon mods for Ark too, though the ones I've either tried myself or seen others play tend to be a bit janky.
@@MizterTonik That actually piques my interest. I’ve played a lot of Pokemon over the years and I discovered Ark a few months ago and really enjoy it. I might have to take another look at Palworld.
So a guy looked at pal world and saw Nintendo salivating at the mouth cuz they wanted to sue it but couldn't do so at least immediately, and thought "I know what'll make Nintendo happy, ACTUAL pokemon in pal world"
to be fair it was more likely Nintendo went after the mod cause the modder was charging people for it, Nintendo might have still tried to sue even if he hadn't but they sure as hell wouldn't have had a guaranteed win, as soon as you use someone else's property to make money you have already lost
@@axlejones6281 well there's your problem lol it never ceases to amaze me what people think they can get past the most litigious company there is.
Yeah whoever made that mod is not smart at least not "legal" i down know anything about modding but I know that's not a smart move
Be honest, did Luke really want to do his own thing or was it a mutually agreed to distancing following multiple cease and desists from Nintendo over his "link is doom guy" theory and all those mario art projects like yoshette?
Oh let's be real, it was probably Yoshette... 🤣
It was probably his constant infringement of Nintendo Copyright when he kept using Pokemon Magazines for Show of the Weekend content
Those black screens with text were WAY funnier to me than they should've been.
"This slide intentionally left blank..." - Best udpate ever!
It's a good thing the yearly pikachu drawings are very... legally distinct.
👀
Those 3 text panels were a genius move 0:22
Text panels?
@@pirksaddictthey got the qrong timestamp for them, it's 2:22
@@crimsoneclipse0618I was so confused. Thank you.
some ideas for oxbox:
times games made you cruel to a companion. in assassin's creed odyssey for example you can tame wild animals as pets, only to realize if the pet dies in battle, the game still allows you to loot it...your faithful friend you may have had for hours or days of playtime just died in front of you and you immediately take their skin and meat as loot.
0:56 I feel like Mario had always been wanting us to know that.
There was a super Nintendo LotR game and the strategy games "Battle for Middle Earth" and "Battle for Middle Earth 2"
There were also a few top-down dungeon crawler-like games for handheld systems...but I can't remember the names (they were like Diablo, though).
Also Lord of the Rings Online has been going for over 17 years now if mmos are your thing
Love that it started with Palworld and ended with Gary's Mod, can't believe nintendo
We have plent of money to waste so f*ck around and find out -Nintendo
Nintendo fan: Here's a cool mod for favorite nintendo characters.
Nintendo: How dare you like our stuff that much, take it down or suffer the wrath of our lawyers.
Nintendo fan:..... ok.
“I don’t think I’m capable of making that up.” 😂😂😂😂
We got a Mount and Blade Warband mod themed on Skyrim. It was unfortunately taken down due to copyrights, so I doubt we'll get any Skyrim themed overhauls for Bannerlord.
There is a Daggerfall themed mod on Moddb though 👍
1:45 to be fair that mod would have got the Palworld more trouble. If normal people saw that mod and didn't know it was a mod. Those allegations of them copy and Pokemon would have been more deeper. There were already people saying they found these Pokemon secretly in the game files. When it was just this mod. Also he was charging for that mod. So he was making money off of them.
I always thought that "Ark with Pokemon" was a better description for Palworld
Well one big reason the Palworld mode was struck was the guy was charging people for the mod. I have seen mods for other games that puts a few pokemon into other games that are free and were not struck. So I think was more this person was making money off a mod that was based a Nintendo IP
Nintendo a massive amount of times still falsely copyright claim and threaten legal action. Even if they can't win the case they still will sue, just to abuse the corporate favoring system and attempt to bankrupt their opponent rather than actually win a case. Or just win despite laws because of money and influence. It's a common corporate tactic that Nintendo constantly abuses.
Yeah, I doubt it was the price point, because ummm... the rest of the list happens to exist...
Yeah, it wasn't a good time
@@deadersurvival4716 Actually receiving money to gain access to anything is proof that financial damages exist in a court of law. Lots of fan projects get away with receiving money to develop fan projects that infringe on an IP because funding the development isn't the same as buying a product. When you can say X paid Y amount to gain Z which is clearly protected under copyright then you have grounds for a lawsuit with teeth.
@@deadersurvival4716 No it makes a big difference. Making it free means you can still potentially argue the mod has a fair use standing, but charging money to make a profit changes everything (not as much if you're charging at cost,) unless you have permission to do so. The point is less that "It's always about the money," and more a fact that you're putting a massive target on your back if you are charging money (Yuzu was hit with the hammer over other emulators for the same reason, (on top of their debatable promotion of pirating with their "We don't condone it, but if we were to..." type ads, as were a few other famous Nintendo cases, not that most people remember this part...)
Honestly, "you can keep doing what you're doing so long as you scrub the serial numbers off, please" was a reasonably chill response to Bloodborne Kart.
Wow, it sure was "chill" of them to mess with an incredibly creative fan project to protect an IP they're not using for a game they refuse to port! How's that boot tasting?
@@exuberantOddity, yeah, screw IP rights...if someone isn't using it, its fair game, right? Rare currently isn't using the Conker IP...go ahead and make Conker Cart and see how you fare.
@MarnaxCBRM I think they mean reasonably chill compared to what Nintendo's response would be
@@Alsebra I rightfully can't say I give a shit about IP rights when the current state of them is all bent out of shape by corporations making sure they own the stuff their employees create are exclusively theirs forever. For a while, sure. But I really do think some measure of "use it or lose it" should apply, and it should be much shorter. I like it when an artist has the rights to their own creation, but the company itself is the one who owns it completely, and they buy and sell them around like they're just the same as any other commodity.
@@DeerBonesBaby That bar is so low, I'd have to dig it up to see it.
I still find it funny that "pokemon with guns" is likely the least accurrate way to describe palworld
People are so creative. I wish all these folks had more space in this world to make their amazing works.
Nintendo's next game:
Sue-per Lawyer Bros.
We can only hope their next console is "Wii U 2" after people realize how scummy they are.
@@Zyart Why though? Nintendo makes amazing games, which they defend to the teeth, sure. But that does make Nintendo games the actual games I want to play.
The Litigation Of Zelda?
You never know when you’ll be forced to relive the horror of Jane’s GTA driving.
Hopefully soon. Can't wait for their next GTA stream!
BLOODBORNE KART! I may have flinched on that one....
mike's mario portrait @0:54 and jane's gameplay/commentary at 3:18 to 3:36 were pure gold
That yellow rat is brilliant.
3:00
Jane: They continue to walk around outside while I’m driving.
So do the rest of us, Jane. It’s necessary but quite terrifying.
*watches first item*
Well, guess we know what's the approximate editing turnaround for these videos now.
Maybe they record a bunch of them back to back and just change clothes between them, like game shows.
2:30 😂😂😂 the editor had a lot of fun there
I'd think the only company with a complaint they could level against Portal 64 would be Valve, since it requires using actual Valve files.
@@jonothanthrace1530, pretty sure that Nintendo still holds the rights to the whole "Game Name" 64 set-up...if nothing else, they could argue that it would confuse people into thinking it was a Nintendo game (despite them not using the 64 for years now).
The issue with Portal 64 wasn't the fact it was Valve IP being used, but rather the software being used to engineer the game to run on the N64 was a SDK that was 'lifted' from Nintendo's servers many years ago without licensing or even Reverse Engineering.
Valve is pretty open to fangames using their IP, but it was the SDK in question being of dubious legality that got the original project stopped and rebooted with a legally-clean SDK.
@@Alsebra I'm going to be blunt... I don't think the concept of "Game Name 64" is something that anyone can have rights to, since it's kinda negating the entire point of making 64 products... Plus, there are many gaming products that go by year, and there might be a few issues for even Nintendo trying to hold that one down against WWE 64, FIFA 64, or the numerous games that have done that since being ON the original console.
@@Alsebra You can't copyright a naming convention, particularly when it refers to a technical aspect of the hardware
@@deadersurvival4716 I dunno, I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to do exactly that when the year 2064 comes around. The "2kXX" naming convention has become popular lately, so naming them WWE 2k64, FIFA 2k64, etc would be Legally Distinct enough from the by-that-point _seven decade old console..._
Jane: "It would have been hard to predict that."
...And Larian Studios took that personally.
I bought Palworld on three Steam accounts because I had a feeling it wasn't going to survive Nintendo's wrath.
7:25 nice "Akira" reference
I heard somewhere that Nintendo is so aggressive because Japanese copyright law is BRUTAL. Basically, if you DON'T defend your copyright, you lose it.
"7 times Nintendo's lawyers shut down awesome mods"
I fixed your video title!!! ❤
3 times in this vid
2:29, honestly based of Sony on this front, that being said, bloodborne 2 when
Fun fact there’s still tons of Nintendo content I. Gmod’s workshop. Most people agree that the takedown request was a copyright troll. There is no feasible way Nintendo could ACTUALLY get away with this.
Nintendo has alot of money they can make it shake
World of Warcraft and Nostalrius would fit this theme! Since WoW updates its permanent in-game universe with every expac, eventually the original 2004 "vanilla" base game was lost to time. It played very differently than the newer expansions, and people wanted it back, so a private server named Nostalrius was created based around the original game client in 2015. It was super popular for nearly a year with over 800K players before Blizzard came in and shut it down. There was a happy ending, though! Blizzard ended up talking to the Nostalrius team and realized there was a demand for the original vanilla game, and this led to the development of WOW Classic years later.
😂 someone needs to create portal for scientific calculators... that will help make the Gameboy version more hilarious.😂😂
That Pokémon mod from toasted was a half baked, asset ripped cash grab that he put on his patron, honestly the one time I agree with a mod take down from Nintendo
Still hate Corptendo but they did the right thing
i was actually at the edge of my seat seeing if you'd include video of the pokemon palworld mod
i hope disney doesnt decide to go after star wars mods for several games. the Starfield mod that is basically a whole Star Wars overhaul is really impressive.
Love the new lighting set up!🎉 also cool video!
El Dewrito was a great game. Glad it brought Halo to PC.
Also, I don't know how you can mispronounce it so bad. It's a combination of Mountain Dew and Doritos.
That Palword-Panel joke is awesome. Also one mod that will be missed are the harmless gta online mod menues.
The Bloodborne Kart dev is fucking awesome
yeag
Shoutouts to Edmund Mcmillian
The only example I can remember of a game dev seeing a massively popular mod of their game and making the apparently galaxy brained move of officially hiring the mod team and have them recreate the mod as an official DLC
9:50 now Tolkien fans are just starved for a game set anywhere but the bleak, repetetive, uninspired wastelands of mordor. Still two of the biggest swing-and-a-miss games
Still 100x better than Amazon's garbage fanfic
Life is full of small mysteries. Because my impression from this video would be that those lawyers are causing their employers a lot more damage that good. Preventing good, free, propaganda from happening. While making the companies unlikeable, like cartoonish villains. And yet, those lawyers are advocating in favour of those employers.
"Natural causes." Priceless ❤❤❤
2:21 I was very much hoping to see that post edit disclaimer 😂
Nintendo: Selling nostalgia at retail prices & suing loyal fans for petty reasons.
Came back to watch oxbox almost 4 years later again after the lockdown. Andy, Jane and Mike seem to have actually gotten younger since then, what sorcery is this !!! :P
12:46 I still have the files
I wondered if Pokémon: Fusion Generation would be on here, but I guess it was shut down too long ago for anyone to remember. I still play it!
I mean the finest Lord of the Rings mod (Divide and Conquer) for medieval 2 total war is still a fantastic and free option.
Love the “Who’s That Pokémon” bit. 2:07
1:00 there’s a lot of Pokémon rom hacks that are on shakey legal footing because of course, Nintendo
No, because of copyright / DMCA law. Not because Nintendo.
Those bolt guns are no joke. Fortunately, with 200 acres and a backhoe, you don't have to worry about the cops finding any bodies.
Bloodborne Kart sounds like the only way I'd have felt like playing a Bloodborne game, and a great way to expand the brand. Sony's loss.
That "oh no" after smegall made me laugh so hard 😂
Breaking News
Nintendo has sued everyone that’s watched this video.
I remember a huge and beloved Mod Project: MERP (Middle Earth Roleplaying) Mod for TES IV Oblivion (PC)
Sadly got stopped because lawyers.... What a shame. It looked soooo awesome.
I’ve never understood why developers don’t say “Hey, you either have to release this for free and receive no profits, or give us any profits you make.” So many passion projects would make it through, developers would make money, and they can still reserve the right to shut it down whenever. We want to play games. Fun games. These devs aren’t delivering and we’re trying to fill the gap. Either go back to when you were good at your jobs or step aside and realize how bad you’ve become.
Because that's not how copyright works. If they did any of the things you're proposing, they would lose their copyright protection.
2:34 This legal blaze will smoulder for years to come but when the smoke clears surely we will have a whooping text box to fill in the blank. Truly they thought of everything.
Also, this probably isn't the channel where you'd get a nonbiased answer, but I would eat popcorn watching a debate as to whether Disney or Nintendo is the more heartless and morally bankrupt corporation that feeds on cheery emotions for their own profit margins.
They're like the Superman and Batman of depressing nostalgia-based capitalism.
nah, Disney are by far worse. Nintendo are just incredibly over protective of their products but still make pretty high quality games (if you ignore everything from Gamefreak) while Disney are....... well Disney
@@axlejones6281 Nintendo is letting old games die because...
We don't really know. It's not a financially safe move for them and they get nothing for it. Some of the lawyers are quoted as saying "well if anything goes wrong then we don't want them to know it's not the company!" so then...release the game like your other titles? But no. Not happening. That's just ONE problem.
But I nominate American Girl (Mattel). There's been a few deep dives of what they've been up to lately. They're making Nintendo and Disney look beyond reasonable. Like talking to an adorable kitten who just wants a little chin scratch.
American Girl/Mattel right now? Like reasoning with a moose.
At least Disney stuff is more open, where one can watch their TV and movie gems in many platforms. Nintendo is just addicted to their own slowly entropying systems, even though common sense by rereleasing them on, say, the PC would mean ginormous profits.
Nintendo can do whatever they want
Middle Earth Roleplaying Project was a mod originally developed for Oblivion, with it's first release in 2009. Shortly after getting ported to Skyrim it got a cease and desist from WB and had to shut down in 2013. I still have it in my bookmarks. Maybe it's time to let go.