Some love for the Felicia! Ive owned 2. A 1.3 hatch which was absolutely faultless superb and an estate 1.6 which i didnt like as much but still a very good car
As well as the X Type, I still maintain the Mondeo ST220 is a future classic - Mondeos generally are disappearing quickly as people can no longer be bothered to fix them up, and there were never many STs to begin with. When was the last time you saw a Mk1 or even a Mk2?
I loved my Dad's J '92 309 GLD. It was comfortable, it rode superbly and handled as if it was on rails and it was mechanically bomb proof! It does come up as SORN with DVLA so it may still exist. Would love to have it back.
Fascinating to hear you mention the Jaguar X type. I love them and thought, because I would love a classic XJ6, I thought the X type might be a sensible alternative to an XJ money pit. However, after what you said about rust makes me think otherwise. Maybe an XJ6 might not be so bad!
Didnt buy my 309 Graffic in thinking of a sale but in 2022 paid 500€ for it which seems a good deal now. Besides not seeing many for sale, the ones around are between 1500-3000. Another cool thing is that im always the only one in events 😊
The favorit got VW parts and quality control after the VAG takeover, the Felicia was a development of the Favorit entirely under VAG. The mk1 Fabia was the last Skoda to use a pre VW era engine design on an entirely VAG platform
Interestly enough the Jaguar X type are around in here in Australia. as we don't have salt on our roads during winter plenty good examples running around here.
Drove the diesel 309s as panda cars. Better than the Escorts we had prior to them arriving. Also the first cars we had with bar lights and alley lights and the first to drop the two tone sirens in favour of the modern style wailers.
Wholly agree about the 309, far superior to the 205 in terms of ride and room. The suspension was a magic carpet ride when compared to Escorts which sacrificed comfort for handling to a degree perhaps inappropriate in a true family car.
Matt, my daily driver is a 2003 XC90. The 1st generation were based on the P2 platform as were the V70 & XC70s of similar vintage. Most of them had the 2.4 D5 which is a mostly bulletproof engine. The Aisin 5-speed transmission in mine hasn't given me a moment's bother but the 6-speed is the one to have. The parking brake doesn't work properly unless you use genuine Volvo pakring brake shoes. The Mercedes W201 190 is the forerunner to the C-Class.
That was a very interesting selection, so interesting that I paused the video to check out prices on some of your suggestions. My car features in a Frank Stephenson video about future design classics, a Honda CR-Z hybrid. Not a lot sold here in the UK, top estimates being about 4,300 units between 2010 and 2016. Best described as a mild hybrid 2 seater, it is brisk rather than quick, but it is a nice handling little car at a shade over 1200kg. Get it on a decent B road and have a lot of fun without breaking any speed limits. A bit of a HubNut car in some ways! Not cheap though.
Oh I love this feature K11 Micra all the way. Reliable, easy to drive, nippy, cheap to run, enough tech to make it easy to live without all the stuff you don't need. Best car in the world I'm very fond of the Felicia too. There's something very honest about them I agree with 309, the Audi TT Mk1, Merc 190E and absolutely the Vauxhall Ampera and outgoing Suzuki Jimny I'd also go for - Proton Jumbuck - Mk1 Fabia vRS if you can find an unmolested one - Original Ford Puma - Suzuki X90 - Original Toyota Aygo/ Pug 107/ Citroen C1, - BMW i3, - Renault Twizy - Toyota iQ - Peugeot 106 - Ford Escort Van
The Ford Escort van is already starting to fly up in value. As for the K11 Micra... Your description was superb... I have owned two of them... It had no stuff on it you did not need. Here is a forgotten "Gem" the MK 3 Vauxhall Astra 1991-1998
It may not be popular here but the first generation Qashqai as many families will remember having one and for me it was one of the most reliable cars that I've owned. Sold it to a neighbour recently and I've already got some nostalgia. A previous car was the Mazda 6 first generation. I still think it looks great today against modern cars. Unfortunately mine suffered from rust underneath as I could see from the MOTs after i sold it before it disappeared. I'd still consider another if I could find a rust free one.
I'll just hold on to my 2008 Prius. The 2nd gen is the one everyone recognizes as the Prius. It was much bigger, prettier, more practical and even more frugal.
I seriously considered a fully loaded 2010 X Type Sovereign Estate 2.2D with towing package about 6 years ago to replace my caravan towing Volvo V70 2.4D. They X Type really was a special car and extremely flexible.
definitely in agreement with the volv xc90, Mercedes 190 & love the fiat but really hard to work around the engine and finally the caddy is definitely one to consider as it fits on our roads but also looks modern
Had two K11 Micras one as a first car 23 years ago and one a total rust bucket to relieve my youth back in 2017. Fantastic little cars. I would have a 309 over a 205. Had forgotten about the first generation Prius, not a looker but a massive success and Celebs loved them as well. Ampera at the time when it came out I actually thought was a great looking car.
The final Skoda Felicias were the finest - they were still being updated with minor improvements right up to the end. A Czech friend was quite surprised to see the standard engine braces on my UK spec 1999 GLXi Felicia Magic Estate which really helped with the body roll issues of the earlier models. I would love to have one of these again as a classic car. Such a well behaved, comfortable, spacious, well designed, economic and reliable vehicle - one I really bonded with! So for me at least - huge nostalgia! I remember getting really upset trading it in for a Fabia in 2008.
I had a Skoda Felicia estate. It was a comfortable car to drive but the paint was very thin so the bodywork looked shabby. It was also not a proper estate, just a stretched hatchback.
I agree with you on pretty much all of these Matt, Merco 190 definitely ! The last real Mercedes before the finance people stopped them from "over engineering " their cars. I really think you missed the Saab 9-5 though. Prices seem to be on the rise since I bought my 2004 2 years ago and there are not so many phase 1 (1998-2005) models for sale. The Aero is an absolute beast ❤
190's also likely to have a reasonable mileage as due to poor rear legroom did not get to be licensed Taxis or PH vehicles. It was measured with the front seats fully back between the seat back and leading edge of the rear squab at knee height.
The K11 Micra is to my mind still the best looking variant ever and there were a lot of special editions, I have a soft spot for the Skoda Felicia because it was my first car and I really enjoyed it, and would you consider a 190E to replace your W123? The 309 was a bit unusual in Peugeot's range at the time but I heard reviewers saying in many respects the GTi version was better than the 205. And that was always the best looking variant as well.
Matt, totally agree about the 190E, why has it not got the following of the E30?? You’re more than welcome to try mine if any confirmation is needed of its future classic status!!
I'm guessing because it is not as sporty, has a steering box etc? Less drifters are interested -- lol! It's a lovely looking car though. Martin Brundle said the 190E Cosworth has a better chassis than the E30 M3, though he can't recall saying that... I think the 190E Cosworth is certainly already a classic (not so affordable though). Is the W201 more of a downsized W124 than a sports saloon? Davide Cironi wasn't very thrilled about the W201 Cosworth Evo II, whereas he waxed lyrical about the Sierra RS500.
A great list, some thought gone into those. I've had a lovely Mk1 TT recently, great car but so fragile. Also agree on the Fiat 500, often overlooked by many, but they're brilliant. I've already owned one, and will likely have another at some point.
I think there may be a different way of deciding a modern classic. I would suggest a descent estate or 3 dr coupe. Nostalgia may be more towards the family wagon and in 5 years there wont be any being made. Another thought is engines, a v8 here in oz is now a very collectable thing to have. Maybe in the uk the turbo diesel will one day be a modern clasic
With future classic EVs I'd like to throw the Gen 1 Nissan Leaf into the mix. I actually own a 2015 model as its still performing brilliant. No not a classic right now but in 10 years I'd bet that there will be very few Gen 1's around if any?
@@damonrobus-clarke533 I have to say that mine has been fantastic. Owned it almost 3 years and it's been faultless and done everything that I've asked of it. I have done some long drives too (250+ miles in a day) and had no issues at all. I do like EV's but the novelty value soon wears off so I am open to another EV or will still entertain a petrol or diesel when the time comes.
What a great list! (I now need to go and rewatch the first one) And I love the criteria of "interestingness" - it's what I always look for in a car too. I don't think I'll be keeping my current Saab convertible for much longer. And I know I'd happily own another 190E, but this list has a few other possibilities for my next car. (I've had an X-type, I'd gladly try a Fiat 500, I wonder if I could find a Felicia? Or a 209? But the hybrids are an interesting idea too. I quite fancy the 2nd gen Honda Insight. 🤔 - we'll see. )
I think the Mk1 Yaris could be a good contender. It doesn't seem to have got the hype of the K11 Micra, but mechanically it is just as solid and I think design wise is much more quirky. That fun dashboard, sliding rear seats and bulbous exterior is a winner for me. Again, they're rusting away quickly.
The key to it was that it was an affordable Escort sized Hatchback that drove like a Mercedes or a Jaguar. It was arguably a more comfortable drive than the class leading 306 that replaced it.
My mate Gordon has just put his 190 e into storage after some resto and an engine rebuild. Some good shouts there Mat, I don't know about the Volvo. Love the content though
The Ampera was a terrific car, had a ride in one & it was way ahead of the game at the time. Almost bought one but knew I'd get slaughtered when I came to trade it in, maybe now's the time?
Did you get the Proton Jumbuck in the UK? I think it will be a future classic, if it isn't already. It's such a unique car. Same for the similar Subaru Brumby/Brat which is probably already a classic!
I nominate the Peugeot 206 especially those built prior to Peugeot pulling the plug on the Coventry Ryton plant, meaning its one of the last british made Peugeot cars to exit the factory that built many other great Peugeots, Talbot and Rootes group cars. I did have one of the low powered versions as my first car and it did have great styling. Sadly traded mine in due to some issues occurring with it and followed its MOT history after my ownership. I was a bit upset to see its history stopped just before 2020 and the previous year on the MOT highlighted it had many faults occurring including a corroding sump.
Lo Matt, It's opinion time again. K11 ran one for 3 years .Bullet proof passed it on to a family member. Pugeot 309 another one i had for a few years. Never had a problem with it. done 40k in it reluctantly traded it in . I have a problem with your Merc 109. Lovely car and absolute rust buckets. Any repairs were expensive and they weren't the cheapest to insure.. By the way did you know they were used for taxi's in Turkey.😂 Just a little bit of useless info mate. Later
The non GTI 205s are still cheap generally and can last well, mine is a 1990 205 GRD 60 mpg cheap parts insurance quite simple. I have kept it as a spare motor to be taxed and run to keep mileage off our everyday car. Probably selling soon as Mrs has a t2 camper lined up as the prices are a bit more reasonable currently.
My car's on your list jaguar X type, paid £1200 for it with full MOT and service history on 46 thousand mile car has no rot other than surface on rear subframe, a lot of car for little money.
Excellent choices! I would really appreciate your opinion about choosing between W124 or W201 (considering both in 4 cylinder versions). Greetings from Greece!
Not much in it, both built about the same with similar interiors, it just depends how big a car you want, they were the C and E class of the day, 190 maybe handles a little better as it’s smaller
I own a Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 & I’m confident it’ll be a future classic. Aesthetically, it’s a beautiful design (no matter what that idiot from Top Gear who combines jeans with suit jackets, says). How many cars do you know who have not one sports division in its creation (AMG) but two (SRT & AMG)? The combination of established German engineering with American street-racing design, is pretty unique. It’s V6 engine is the optimum power-train for this mini-muscle car & it’s Japanese supercharger adds over a 100 bhp over its base model & its air-induction set-up (from a V8) is genius. There are less than 50 RHD cars registered in the UK so I reckon this could be the sleeper of all sleepers.
Definitely agree on the Jimmy, 500 and 309. Not so sure on the X Type...they were never that desirable in the first place, good platform/chassis aside. The XC90s...be careful. Post April 06, some are £735 tax - the automatics I think.
Can’t knock any of those choices Matt. It’s amazing how things come around; I always detested K11s for being anonymous L-cars or uncomplicated elder-wagons, but with hindsight the design is pretty ageless… And Nissan had that optional flip-tone paint in the 90s on Micras and Primeras that has proper Max Power retro appeal 😅
Of these picks I'd have to agree with the Jimny, a cracking small car with real world off road ability. I really hope Suzuki produce a decent up dated version at some point. Your comment on 3 eyebrows made me laugh. Back in my youth I grew a sort of tash that resembled a bar code, it looked like an eyebrow had popped down for a drink. I really should have tried to scan it at the supermarket to see if I was on offer. I'll get my coat....
I have a low mileage 2 door K11 slowly rusting away on my drive. Have had a fair few trying to buy it, but not offering that much money. Yep, they do race them, probably junior hot rod stock cars. I think the Peugeot 107 could be a future cult car just because of the doors. Ford Probe V6 is one I have hankered for, for quite a while TBH🙄🤣 So many possibilities. Volvo C30s I also have a penchant for. And the 480ES and C70. I could go on😂😂
Being a Volvo guy who have owned a gen 1 XC90 I can not recomend people to stay away hard enough. The whole suspension and steering was developed for a much lighter car. A friend who is even more of a Volvo fan than me told me to sell it and buy something else.
@@Dino_Dad. That actually never bothered me, but you might be right. One more thing I forgot to write though, a Volvo P2 (gen 1 S60, Gen 2 V70, gen 1 S80 and gen 1 XC90) are never without fault code ...
Already have a Fiat 500S lined up, a 2019 facelift model 1.2. My Son has had a 2001 Audi TT BAM and a 1992 Mercedes Benz 190 1.8 which was to celebrate his 30th Birthday in 2022. He flew to England, bought the 190, drove to Dover and collected his Sister at Brussels Airport, she flew in from her home in Edinburgh.They are both Formula 1 Fanatics so they drove to the Belgian Grand Prix. Then back to Brussels Airport and back to Ireland via Liverpool. How's that for a shake down on a 30 year old car. My Son now owns a 1996 Mercedes C280 Carat Duchatalet, a 2006 Mercedes CLK 220 CDI and a 2003 Mercedes Benz ML 270 CDI. All three of which are very interesting indeed.
First-generation Citroen C1 /Toyota Aygo (As a few have already said) The MK 3 Vauxhall Astra (1991-1998) You can still pick these up for next to nothing...But the price of these will rise. The K11 Nissan Micra is already starting to go up in price. Also, grab a Rover 25/45 while you can still get them cheap...
1.) Hyundai Velostar - an interesting looking car, but not to everyones taste. 2.) Love it or hate it, the Nissan Juke. Not that reliable, but a very distinctive design. 3.). BMW i3 with its suicide doors and motorbike engine.
A bit of a silly suggestion but what about the Mk4 Mondeo pre facelift because like the first s-max there slowly disappearing, they were everywhere once
could even add the 2001-2007 cleo to that list too them things are getting rarer espcally the top spec ones even the renosport ones will be worth something in a few years time too pretty cheap to buy at moment and a few people or many would of had them as there first car too incuding myself. had a 1.2 16v one was a lovly car just was a money pit but if it wasnt id still have it now proberly with well over 150k on clock too (got rid of it a few years ago on 112k miles so deffo worth it for cheap motoring) also there the mk1 focus too if you can grab a low milagae one ( seen one on autotrader other day was x reg so 2000 with only 18k miles on clock for a very cheap 1500 quid) these things is what started the handling side of ford cars we have today. the suspesion on the thing was totally unique back then each one had there own independent suspesion that noone else had back then. It would contiune right up to today focus that will unfortuanly be killed off in 2025 due to ford concentrating on there SUV. its just had a facelift last year witch is also the very last time it'll be updated as at moment there no plans for a future focus. its sad to be honest too. i actually own a mk2.5 and have for past 7 years and its one of the best cars ive owned too tax is expencive ill admit that but for a drivers car you really can't get a better car for the money too the boot is huge on the hatch model and even bigger on the estates. that what i would add to list tbh though too but fully agree with the cars on here though too would love to have a merc of some sort there was a few round when i was growing up when i was little (the car had stop production when i was born in 93) but they were smart cars and deffo looked more of a future car than one from the 90s.
Peugeot 605 and sometime later the 607. Won't ever be silly money, but as numbers go down especially on the 605s, you'll have a harder time finding one that is good, and some of them are indeed good. More close to our time though, the 1st generation Twingo is a no brainer.
Citroen XM values have gone through the roof recently, so the 605 might too, but as always it's going to be the 24v V6s that will be the desirable ones, plus cars with AC, as they can be a daily driver
Doh! To add to my previous comment, I forgot to mention my daily driver for many a year - my PT Cruiser. Ever made a video on the PT or driven one man? Would be interested in your opinion, love or hate. 👍
Hey Matt :) that skoda favorit on ebay at £5995 is sold now but thats a rare car but I Tthink a bit too over priced but thats my opinion, however most skoda favorits, when they do come up, which is rare arnt too expensive, approx £2000 so not too bad still so not all lost - I just bought one,, they just are a beautiful style for the time from Bertone. Remember these when I was a kid
The Suzuki Jimny. Check. The GM Volt. Check. The Toyota Prius. Check. My late wife and I had a gen two Prius (the five door hatchback version) from 2007 to 2015, and it was a great car. I wouldn't have gone for the original Prius because it was a saloon only.
Shame about any fiat being ignored as a classic, i am getting more interest in my cinquecentos, everyone says they haven't seen one in years 🙄 Brilliant little cars, daughter just got her first car and it's a 169 panda, she loves it and it's sure to be rare enough in years to come, do agree with you on the micra, great little cars and everyone has been in one 👌👍🇮🇪
The mk1 TT was such a disappointment to drive, especially back in the day when they looked like a concept car, but dull as ditchwater to drive compared to something like even a Celica of same age. I think I'd get a mk1 Leon instead if I wanted that chasis but something more unusual
Hybrids will struggle as classics, especially 2nd-gen Priuses (Pria?) which have all been thrashed as minicabs. At 20 years old, the batteries will just be ballast.
Re the Jimny can anyone explain why Suzuki simply not look in their cupboard and fit an EU compliant engine ? Production could have rolled on. I have seen 4 door versions and i think they would have sold really well.
1) first gen Ford Puma 2) mark 1 Ford Focus 3) Alfa Romeo 156 4) Mini R53 5) Peugeot 406 6) Citroën Saxo 7) Vauxhall Astra GTC 8) Saab 9-3 9) Mk2 Suzuki Swift 10) Honda S2000
I had both 309 and 205 diesel all good cars but I would rather 205 more sporty fun to drive and buy the way you would forget about putting diesel in 70mpg
Good list by the way some we didn't get in Australia the Nissan Micra haven't seen one in years and of course the Toyota Prius and Australia got the first generation l did see the odd one used by the Police forensic squad and the Holden Volt well Holden didn't sell many l think they were Holden's biggest flop and our son was working in a local Holen dealership and they spent aud $70000 on special equipment for servicing the Holden Volt and l don't think the $70000 equipment got used and in Australia future classics would be Toyota's all the way there still are 30 40 year old Toyota's driving around and my 27 year old Toyota Hilux has risen in value quite a bit so one worth hanging onto and many younger drivers are going for the Japanese classic cars not the British cars which means there is a market for them amd the Jaguar you featured what a really pretty car it's how Jaguars should look even today and the S type absolutely love the design of that Jaguar as for the Audi TT they deprecated like a bomb aud $80000 brand new dropped to aud $20000 in a couple of years l think that is worse than an EV and most European and British cars deprecated because of the reliability factor and don't forget in Australia cars don't rust that badly
Some guy in Ireland is asking €10k for a Punto turbo on Car & Classic so maybe its time has come. Although it's done 138k miles so he might be a bit ambitious.
K11 micras are still cheap. They look great. They're almost unreasonably economical and a lot of them are low milage in good condition because they were the pensioners choice for ages. Parts for them are also about as cheap as car parts possibly can be and they're pretty simple to keep on the road. Drum brakes notwithstanding
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Citroen c1, Toyota aygo.. totally future classic
Maybe 🤔 Citroen C2 VTS?
An alternative to the K11 Micra is the Toyota Starlet ep91.
Some love for the Felicia! Ive owned 2. A 1.3 hatch which was absolutely faultless superb and an estate 1.6 which i didnt like as much but still a very good car
As well as the X Type, I still maintain the Mondeo ST220 is a future classic - Mondeos generally are disappearing quickly as people can no longer be bothered to fix them up, and there were never many STs to begin with. When was the last time you saw a Mk1 or even a Mk2?
I'm thinking 🤔 of getting an XJ6 X350 I was wondering if that engine is good
I loved my Dad's J '92 309 GLD.
It was comfortable, it rode superbly and handled as if it was on rails and it was mechanically bomb proof!
It does come up as SORN with DVLA so it may still exist. Would love to have it back.
Fascinating to hear you mention the Jaguar X type. I love them and thought, because I would love a classic XJ6, I thought the X type might be a sensible alternative to an XJ money pit. However, after what you said about rust makes me think otherwise. Maybe an XJ6 might not be so bad!
The XJ6 x350 is not bad at all
Didnt buy my 309 Graffic in thinking of a sale but in 2022 paid 500€ for it which seems a good deal now.
Besides not seeing many for sale, the ones around are between 1500-3000.
Another cool thing is that im always the only one in events 😊
The favorit got VW parts and quality control after the VAG takeover, the Felicia was a development of the Favorit entirely under VAG. The mk1 Fabia was the last Skoda to use a pre VW era engine design on an entirely VAG platform
Interestly enough the Jaguar X type are around in here in Australia. as we don't have salt on our roads during winter plenty good examples running around here.
maybe we should import some good ones back!
Shortest video on RUclips. Future electric classic cars.
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Drove the diesel 309s as panda cars. Better than the Escorts we had prior to them arriving. Also the first cars we had with bar lights and alley lights and the first to drop the two tone sirens in favour of the modern style wailers.
Wholly agree about the 309, far superior to the 205 in terms of ride and room. The suspension was a magic carpet ride when compared to Escorts which sacrificed comfort for handling to a degree perhaps inappropriate in a true family car.
Matt, my daily driver is a 2003 XC90. The 1st generation were based on the P2 platform as were the V70 & XC70s of similar vintage. Most of them had the 2.4 D5 which is a mostly bulletproof engine. The Aisin 5-speed transmission in mine hasn't given me a moment's bother but the 6-speed is the one to have. The parking brake doesn't work properly unless you use genuine Volvo pakring brake shoes. The Mercedes W201 190 is the forerunner to the C-Class.
I loved my two Peugeot 405s& three 406s.
That was a very interesting selection, so interesting that I paused the video to check out prices on some of your suggestions. My car features in a Frank Stephenson video about future design classics, a Honda CR-Z hybrid. Not a lot sold here in the UK, top estimates being about 4,300 units between 2010 and 2016. Best described as a mild hybrid 2 seater, it is brisk rather than quick, but it is a nice handling little car at a shade over 1200kg. Get it on a decent B road and have a lot of fun without breaking any speed limits. A bit of a HubNut car in some ways! Not cheap though.
Oh I love this feature
K11 Micra all the way. Reliable, easy to drive, nippy, cheap to run, enough tech to make it easy to live without all the stuff you don't need. Best car in the world
I'm very fond of the Felicia too. There's something very honest about them
I agree with 309, the Audi TT Mk1, Merc 190E and absolutely the Vauxhall Ampera and outgoing Suzuki Jimny
I'd also go for
- Proton Jumbuck
- Mk1 Fabia vRS if you can find an unmolested one
- Original Ford Puma
- Suzuki X90
- Original Toyota Aygo/ Pug 107/ Citroen C1,
- BMW i3,
- Renault Twizy
- Toyota iQ
- Peugeot 106
- Ford Escort Van
The Ford Escort van is already starting to fly up in value. As for the K11 Micra... Your description was superb... I have owned two of them... It had no stuff on it you did not need.
Here is a forgotten "Gem" the MK 3 Vauxhall Astra 1991-1998
It may not be popular here but the first generation Qashqai as many families will remember having one and for me it was one of the most reliable cars that I've owned. Sold it to a neighbour recently and I've already got some nostalgia. A previous car was the Mazda 6 first generation. I still think it looks great today against modern cars. Unfortunately mine suffered from rust underneath as I could see from the MOTs after i sold it before it disappeared. I'd still consider another if I could find a rust free one.
I'll just hold on to my 2008 Prius. The 2nd gen is the one everyone recognizes as the Prius. It was much bigger, prettier, more practical and even more frugal.
Love the X type estate design, looks better than the saloon. Totally agree about the rust on these, hard to find one will solid sills
I seriously considered a fully loaded 2010 X Type Sovereign Estate 2.2D with towing package about 6 years ago to replace my caravan towing Volvo V70 2.4D. They X Type really was a special car and extremely flexible.
definitely in agreement with the volv xc90, Mercedes 190 & love the fiat but really hard to work around the engine and finally the caddy is definitely one to consider as it fits on our roads but also looks modern
Had two K11 Micras one as a first car 23 years ago and one a total rust bucket to relieve my youth back in 2017. Fantastic little cars.
I would have a 309 over a 205.
Had forgotten about the first generation Prius, not a looker but a massive success and Celebs loved them as well.
Ampera at the time when it came out I actually thought was a great looking car.
Everyone has forgotten the 1st gen Prius!
You should get and mod a k11!
The final Skoda Felicias were the finest - they were still being updated with minor improvements right up to the end. A Czech friend was quite surprised to see the standard engine braces on my UK spec 1999 GLXi Felicia Magic Estate which really helped with the body roll issues of the earlier models. I would love to have one of these again as a classic car. Such a well behaved, comfortable, spacious, well designed, economic and reliable vehicle - one I really bonded with! So for me at least - huge nostalgia! I remember getting really upset trading it in for a Fabia in 2008.
I had a Skoda Felicia estate. It was a comfortable car to drive but the paint was very thin so the bodywork looked shabby. It was also not a proper estate, just a stretched hatchback.
I agree with you on pretty much all of these Matt, Merco 190 definitely ! The last real Mercedes before the finance people stopped them from "over engineering " their cars.
I really think you missed the Saab 9-5 though. Prices seem to be on the rise since I bought my 2004 2 years ago and there are not so many phase 1 (1998-2005) models for sale. The Aero is an absolute beast ❤
190's also likely to have a reasonable mileage as due to poor rear legroom did not get to be licensed Taxis or PH vehicles. It was measured with the front seats fully back between the seat back and leading edge of the rear squab at knee height.
Porsche Boxster 986, this will be a great Classic.
The K11 Micra is to my mind still the best looking variant ever and there were a lot of special editions, I have a soft spot for the Skoda Felicia because it was my first car and I really enjoyed it, and would you consider a 190E to replace your W123? The 309 was a bit unusual in Peugeot's range at the time but I heard reviewers saying in many respects the GTi version was better than the 205. And that was always the best looking variant as well.
Calibra Turbo Beautiful car and a nice drive
A bit of subliminal advertising for Pampers and Fiat.
Did it work?
@penfold5095 the pampers is for the Fiat, they do like to drip fluids just to let you know they still have some 😁
you would probably need pampers if you buy the cars he chose!
@@furiousdriving I thought the Pampers where for wearing just before learning about the Merc W123 re-shelling costs.
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Matt, totally agree about the 190E, why has it not got the following of the E30?? You’re more than welcome to try mine if any confirmation is needed of its future classic status!!
I'm guessing because it is not as sporty, has a steering box etc? Less drifters are interested -- lol! It's a lovely looking car though. Martin Brundle said the 190E Cosworth has a better chassis than the E30 M3, though he can't recall saying that... I think the 190E Cosworth is certainly already a classic (not so affordable though). Is the W201 more of a downsized W124 than a sports saloon? Davide Cironi wasn't very thrilled about the W201 Cosworth Evo II, whereas he waxed lyrical about the Sierra RS500.
Never hit the drifters radar for some reason!
I know we emailed about it, but can’t find the message-could you drop me your number again please!
I would say that the Honda Crv 1st and 2nd gen could be a future classic, And maybe the Honda CRZ
Agreed. Also Volkswagen Phaeton, Audi A2. *Edit: Your autofocus is a little drunk tonight, Matt.
BMW i3 and Honda CR-Z
A great list, some thought gone into those.
I've had a lovely Mk1 TT recently, great car but so fragile. Also agree on the Fiat 500, often overlooked by many, but they're brilliant. I've already owned one, and will likely have another at some point.
I think there may be a different way of deciding a modern classic. I would suggest a descent estate or 3 dr coupe. Nostalgia may be more towards the family wagon and in 5 years there wont be any being made. Another thought is engines, a v8 here in oz is now a very collectable thing to have. Maybe in the uk the turbo diesel will one day be a modern clasic
With future classic EVs I'd like to throw the Gen 1 Nissan Leaf into the mix.
I actually own a 2015 model as its still performing brilliant.
No not a classic right now but in 10 years I'd bet that there will be very few Gen 1's around if any?
Yeah people are sniffy about Leafs, but they are a modern classic- whether Tesla fans like it or not! And a third the price new.
@@damonrobus-clarke533 I have to say that mine has been fantastic. Owned it almost 3 years and it's been faultless and done everything that I've asked of it. I have done some long drives too (250+ miles in a day) and had no issues at all. I do like EV's but the novelty value soon wears off so I am open to another EV or will still entertain a petrol or diesel when the time comes.
What a great list! (I now need to go and rewatch the first one) And I love the criteria of "interestingness" - it's what I always look for in a car too. I don't think I'll be keeping my current Saab convertible for much longer. And I know I'd happily own another 190E, but this list has a few other possibilities for my next car. (I've had an X-type, I'd gladly try a Fiat 500, I wonder if I could find a Felicia? Or a 209? But the hybrids are an interesting idea too. I quite fancy the 2nd gen Honda Insight. 🤔 - we'll see. )
The GM EV-1 was a learning car which is why they didn’t sell them. Much of what they learned building the EV-1 was put into the Chevy Volt.
I think the Mk1 Yaris could be a good contender. It doesn't seem to have got the hype of the K11 Micra, but mechanically it is just as solid and I think design wise is much more quirky. That fun dashboard, sliding rear seats and bulbous exterior is a winner for me. Again, they're rusting away quickly.
Peugeot 306 they look so neat and tiny compared to modern cars of the same class.
In my own opinion, a beautiful car
The key to it was that it was an affordable Escort sized Hatchback that drove like a Mercedes or a Jaguar. It was arguably a more comfortable drive than the class leading 306 that replaced it.
I loved my X Type. Only got rid of it because it didn't have sills anymore.
My pick is the K11
My mate Gordon has just put his 190 e into storage after some resto and an engine rebuild.
Some good shouts there Mat, I don't know about the Volvo.
Love the content though
My daily is a 190e. Such a lovely drive. Does chew petrol though at 450km to a 50lL city driving.
The Ampera was a terrific car, had a ride in one & it was way ahead of the game at the time. Almost bought one but knew I'd get slaughtered when I came to trade it in, maybe now's the time?
X types are fantastic cars, I had a 3.0 v6 manual, plenty of power and lovely and luxurious too!
Same unit as in the Mondeo ST - love the Duratec 30 👍🏻
I miss my 1988 309 gti. I had it for 7 years and never had to repair a thing.
Alfa Romeo Brera 3.2 V6 Q4 and Q2 manual.
Peugeot 407 Coupe 3.0 V6 petrol manual.
Both excellent
Did you get the Proton Jumbuck in the UK? I think it will be a future classic, if it isn't already. It's such a unique car. Same for the similar Subaru Brumby/Brat which is probably already a classic!
We did, they sold nearly 4 of them!
Selling my w124 estate on Sunday to a friend. I’m so sad but she needs to go in place for a smaller w203
Skoda Yeti anyone?
Or the roomster
I nominate the Peugeot 206 especially those built prior to Peugeot pulling the plug on the Coventry Ryton plant, meaning its one of the last british made Peugeot cars to exit the factory that built many other great Peugeots, Talbot and Rootes group cars. I did have one of the low powered versions as my first car and it did have great styling. Sadly traded mine in due to some issues occurring with it and followed its MOT history after my ownership. I was a bit upset to see its history stopped just before 2020 and the previous year on the MOT highlighted it had many faults occurring including a corroding sump.
Lo Matt, It's opinion time again. K11 ran one for 3 years .Bullet proof passed it on to a family member. Pugeot 309 another one i had for a few years. Never had a problem with it. done 40k in it reluctantly traded it in . I have a problem with your Merc 109. Lovely car and absolute rust buckets. Any repairs were expensive and they weren't the cheapest to insure.. By the way did you know they were used for taxi's in Turkey.😂 Just a little bit of useless info mate. Later
I've got a 1998 gen 6 Toyota Celica 1.8 ST which I bought 4 years ago for £1600 as a future classic. It's now worth about £1500. I keep hoping.
I think my Punto evo sporting could be a future classic , very few left on the Road x
The non GTI 205s are still cheap generally and can last well, mine is a 1990 205 GRD 60 mpg cheap parts insurance quite simple.
I have kept it as a spare motor to be taxed and run to keep mileage off our everyday car.
Probably selling soon as Mrs has a t2 camper lined up as the prices are a bit more reasonable currently.
I think the R52 Mini convertible could be a nice little future classic.
Definitely, there’s an early model owners group
VW Passat. 1.9 diesel, cracking car. Ignore the 2.0.
Ooooo I have been looking at X types. Dangerous
My car's on your list jaguar X type, paid £1200 for it with full MOT and service history on 46 thousand mile car has no rot other than surface on rear subframe, a lot of car for little money.
Excellent choices! I would really appreciate your opinion about choosing between W124 or W201 (considering both in 4 cylinder versions). Greetings from Greece!
Not much in it, both built about the same with similar interiors, it just depends how big a car you want, they were the C and E class of the day, 190 maybe handles a little better as it’s smaller
I do like the Škoda Felicia... or "Fellatio" as I used to nickname them!
Wasn't it Clarkson who described the name of this car as if a certain sexual practise was being pronounced by someone with badly fitting dentures?😄
I own a Chrysler Crossfire SRT6 & I’m confident it’ll be a future classic. Aesthetically, it’s a beautiful design (no matter what that idiot from Top Gear who combines jeans with suit jackets, says). How many cars do you know who have not one sports division in its creation (AMG) but two (SRT & AMG)? The combination of established German engineering with American street-racing design, is pretty unique. It’s V6 engine is the optimum power-train for this mini-muscle car & it’s Japanese supercharger adds over a 100 bhp over its base model & its air-induction set-up (from a V8) is genius. There are less than 50 RHD cars registered in the UK so I reckon this could be the sleeper of all sleepers.
Definitely agree on the Jimmy, 500 and 309. Not so sure on the X Type...they were never that desirable in the first place, good platform/chassis aside. The XC90s...be careful. Post April 06, some are £735 tax - the automatics I think.
Can’t knock any of those choices Matt. It’s amazing how things come around; I always detested K11s for being anonymous L-cars or uncomplicated elder-wagons, but with hindsight the design is pretty ageless… And Nissan had that optional flip-tone paint in the 90s on Micras and Primeras that has proper Max Power retro appeal 😅
Of these picks I'd have to agree with the Jimny, a cracking small car with real world off road ability. I really hope Suzuki produce a decent up dated version at some point. Your comment on 3 eyebrows made me laugh. Back in my youth I grew a sort of tash that resembled a bar code, it looked like an eyebrow had popped down for a drink. I really should have tried to scan it at the supermarket to see if I was on offer. I'll get my coat....
@@anthonystevens8683 you can still get a new jimny here 😁👍🇮🇪
I have a low mileage 2 door K11 slowly rusting away on my drive. Have had a fair few trying to buy it, but not offering that much money. Yep, they do race them, probably junior hot rod stock cars. I think the Peugeot 107 could be a future cult car just because of the doors. Ford Probe V6 is one I have hankered for, for quite a while TBH🙄🤣 So many possibilities. Volvo C30s I also have a penchant for. And the 480ES and C70. I could go on😂😂
Being a Volvo guy who have owned a gen 1 XC90 I can not recomend people to stay away hard enough. The whole suspension and steering was developed for a much lighter car. A friend who is even more of a Volvo fan than me told me to sell it and buy something else.
I was also told they have the turning circle of a container ship in the suez canal
@@Dino_Dad. That actually never bothered me, but you might be right. One more thing I forgot to write though, a Volvo P2 (gen 1 S60, Gen 2 V70, gen 1 S80 and gen 1 XC90) are never without fault code ...
Already have a Fiat 500S lined up, a 2019 facelift model 1.2.
My Son has had a 2001 Audi TT BAM and a 1992 Mercedes Benz 190 1.8 which was to celebrate his 30th Birthday in 2022.
He flew to England, bought the 190, drove to Dover and collected his Sister at Brussels Airport, she flew in from her home in Edinburgh.They are both Formula 1 Fanatics so they drove to the Belgian Grand Prix. Then back to Brussels Airport and back to Ireland via Liverpool. How's that for a shake down on a 30 year old car.
My Son now owns a 1996 Mercedes C280 Carat Duchatalet, a 2006 Mercedes CLK 220 CDI and a 2003 Mercedes Benz ML 270 CDI. All three of which are very interesting indeed.
First-generation Citroen C1 /Toyota Aygo (As a few have already said)
The MK 3 Vauxhall Astra (1991-1998) You can still pick these up for next to nothing...But the price of these will rise.
The K11 Nissan Micra is already starting to go up in price.
Also, grab a Rover 25/45 while you can still get them cheap...
Did u use the tea shelf?😊
1.) Hyundai Velostar - an interesting looking car, but not to everyones taste. 2.) Love it or hate it, the Nissan Juke. Not that reliable, but a very distinctive design. 3.). BMW i3 with its suicide doors and motorbike engine.
A bit of a silly suggestion but what about the Mk4 Mondeo pre facelift because like the first s-max there slowly disappearing, they were everywhere once
Like some of these. Had a few😂. I would add berlingo mk1. I think it will achieve 2cv status
Amazing things. My grandad has had his since new
could even add the 2001-2007 cleo to that list too them things are getting rarer espcally the top spec ones even the renosport ones will be worth something in a few years time too pretty cheap to buy at moment and a few people or many would of had them as there first car too incuding myself. had a 1.2 16v one was a lovly car just was a money pit but if it wasnt id still have it now proberly with well over 150k on clock too (got rid of it a few years ago on 112k miles so deffo worth it for cheap motoring)
also there the mk1 focus too if you can grab a low milagae one ( seen one on autotrader other day was x reg so 2000 with only 18k miles on clock for a very cheap 1500 quid) these things is what started the handling side of ford cars we have today. the suspesion on the thing was totally unique back then each one had there own independent suspesion that noone else had back then. It would contiune right up to today focus that will unfortuanly be killed off in 2025 due to ford concentrating on there SUV. its just had a facelift last year witch is also the very last time it'll be updated as at moment there no plans for a future focus. its sad to be honest too. i actually own a mk2.5 and have for past 7 years and its one of the best cars ive owned too tax is expencive ill admit that but for a drivers car you really can't get a better car for the money too the boot is huge on the hatch model and even bigger on the estates.
that what i would add to list tbh though too but fully agree with the cars on here though too would love to have a merc of some sort there was a few round when i was growing up when i was little (the car had stop production when i was born in 93) but they were smart cars and deffo looked more of a future car than one from the 90s.
Peugeot 605 and sometime later the 607. Won't ever be silly money, but as numbers go down especially on the 605s, you'll have a harder time finding one that is good, and some of them are indeed good. More close to our time though, the 1st generation Twingo is a no brainer.
Citroen XM values have gone through the roof recently, so the 605 might too, but as always it's going to be the 24v V6s that will be the desirable ones, plus cars with AC, as they can be a daily driver
my mate in wrk has 3 x 309's!
Doh! To add to my previous comment, I forgot to mention my daily driver for many a year - my PT Cruiser. Ever made a video on the PT or driven one man? Would be interested in your opinion, love or hate. 👍
Yes, drove one here-lots of positives but also so bad points
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@@furiousdriving oh yes, I remember that video now. Gonna watch it again though 👍
I believe the Toyota Yaris Verso is potentially a future classic?
Hey Matt :) that skoda favorit on ebay at £5995 is sold now but thats a rare car but I Tthink a bit too over priced but thats my opinion, however most skoda favorits, when they do come up, which is rare arnt too expensive, approx £2000 so not too bad still so not all lost - I just bought one,, they just are a beautiful style for the time from Bertone. Remember these when I was a kid
Any decision on the W123 yet? I think you should scratch that E36 itch
The Suzuki Jimny. Check. The GM Volt. Check. The Toyota Prius. Check. My late wife and I had a gen two Prius (the five door hatchback version) from 2007 to 2015, and it was a great car. I wouldn't have gone for the original Prius because it was a saloon only.
Shame about any fiat being ignored as a classic, i am getting more interest in my cinquecentos, everyone says they haven't seen one in years 🙄
Brilliant little cars, daughter just got her first car and it's a 169 panda, she loves it and it's sure to be rare enough in years to come, do agree with you on the micra, great little cars and everyone has been in one 👌👍🇮🇪
Okay so hear me out. Proton Jumbuck? Audi A2?
I see A2 nearly daily in traffic, not bad at that age.
A2's are great!
The plastics and switches are suffering a bit now though...
Don't forget the Hyundai Atoz/ Amica! They were Bullet Proof!
really.....tell me why
My pick is the mercedes 😊
The mk1 TT was such a disappointment to drive, especially back in the day when they looked like a concept car, but dull as ditchwater to drive compared to something like even a Celica of same age. I think I'd get a mk1 Leon instead if I wanted that chasis but something more unusual
Fiat Panda 169
Hybrids will struggle as classics, especially 2nd-gen Priuses (Pria?) which have all been thrashed as minicabs. At 20 years old, the batteries will just be ballast.
That’s the perception, but I know of mk1 Prius’s on the original batteries and still with near full range
Re the Jimny can anyone explain why Suzuki simply not look in their cupboard and fit an EU compliant engine ? Production could have rolled on. I have seen 4 door versions and i think they would have sold really well.
1) first gen Ford Puma
2) mark 1 Ford Focus
3) Alfa Romeo 156
4) Mini R53
5) Peugeot 406
6) Citroën Saxo
7) Vauxhall Astra GTC
8) Saab 9-3
9) Mk2 Suzuki Swift
10) Honda S2000
I had both 309 and 205 diesel all good cars but I would rather 205 more sporty fun to drive and buy the way you would forget about putting diesel in 70mpg
Mk 1 / Mk 2 Honda Jazz ?
Good list by the way some we didn't get in Australia the Nissan Micra haven't seen one in years and of course the Toyota Prius and Australia got the first generation l did see the odd one used by the Police forensic squad and the Holden Volt well Holden didn't sell many l think they were Holden's biggest flop and our son was working in a local Holen dealership and they spent aud $70000 on special equipment for servicing the Holden Volt and l don't think the $70000 equipment got used and in Australia future classics would be Toyota's all the way there still are 30 40 year old Toyota's driving around and my 27 year old Toyota Hilux has risen in value quite a bit so one worth hanging onto and many younger drivers are going for the Japanese classic cars not the British cars which means there is a market for them amd the Jaguar you featured what a really pretty car it's how Jaguars should look even today and the S type absolutely love the design of that Jaguar as for the Audi TT they deprecated like a bomb aud $80000 brand new dropped to aud $20000 in a couple of years l think that is worse than an EV and most European and British cars deprecated because of the reliability factor and don't forget in Australia cars don't rust that badly
Nissan Micra the new Morris 1000 favourite of the modern elder lady.
Some guy in Ireland is asking €10k for a Punto turbo on Car & Classic so maybe its time has come. Although it's done 138k miles so he might be a bit ambitious.
Maybe hes hoping they will go up like Uno Turbos?
Barchetta ?
E38 should be on this list
Sponsored by Pampers 😂
Mat if you ever want a 156 TS 2.0 from 2001 let me know.
I did review an 03 2.0, which I loved…or are you selling one?
I wish cars were cheap man
Used cars are generally cheap, it's running them and maintaining them that is expensive.
K11 micras are still cheap. They look great. They're almost unreasonably economical and a lot of them are low milage in good condition because they were the pensioners choice for ages.
Parts for them are also about as cheap as car parts possibly can be and they're pretty simple to keep on the road. Drum brakes notwithstanding
Buying an old BMW is relatively cheap, however, you're still paying a lot for parts.