Insulating my Morton Building
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- Опубликовано: 23 июн 2021
- In order to save a bit of money I opted to do as much of the insulating of my Morton Building on my own...with some help. This video will only cover insulating the side and end walls, not the ceiling. I hope it helps anyone looking for some information about the process.
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Thank you for making this video! I also have a Morton building (not insulated) and I’m in the process of insulating it this summer. I too looked all over for a video on how Morton insulates their buildings and found very little other than on Morton’s website.
All the points you mentioned are spot on and how I recall it was explained to me when I asked them how to do it.
I too had sticker shock when I looked at the cost of having them finish the inside of the building.
Having a 60x104 x 16 eves Morton building going up in the dead of winter in Wisconsin ... the crew spent a full day hanging the blankets, glad I let them do it... thx for the video
Former Morton foreman turned salesman from 1990-2000. A lot of flashbacks watching the video. My least favorite was doing the insulating. We got real quick at it. Cut an entire wall's worth of insulation. Two guys in the bucket, one driving the tractor, giving enough slack so you didn't have to hold the weight of the roll, hold up the 2x4 and nailed it. Back down and move the tractor over, keeping the guys in the bucket the entire time. The buildings were expensive, but the quality and warranty was top notch.
Lots of guys on garage journal have said Morton is the best, nice to hear it from their workers too
Very nice building. We watched in full this and your last video when you did cost of building. I think we are in similar boar. Might have morton build the shell. Walls, windows and walk in doors. I think we'll hire out garage doors and rest of it out. Very insightful and helpful thanks
Your pole barn videos are helpful .
Excellent TY 😎🇺🇸
Thanks!
Awesome video. Thanks. I need you to do a video of siding the building with shingles or clapboards so I know how that is done. Only kidding!
30K quote by Morton to do insulation would tell me everything I need to know about that company's overhang. . But I was wondering are you going to insulate the roof? If you do please post a video.Thanks
thanks
I got a price form Morton for around $100.000 , the Amish did the building plus add on changes $52.000 without concrete . Don’t know how they can do it but every stick of lumber work was quality , the building is awesome and keep in mind it was right before Covid . Looks like a lot of work but at some point I’m right behind you having to the same thing . Thanks for the pointers .
It's easy! The Amish do not have the overhead that Morton has to pay along with the Amish do not pay in unemployment, health care and so no that all adds up quick! Same thing going on in my area now, all the big poll builders have gone on to building metal industrial buildings and let the Amish build poll sheds now just that they can do it so fast and cheap!
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The Amish are all skilled hard working dedicated people , Not knocking Morton but it’s all about money , the salesman has to get his Commission along with the other overkill . I own my own business, I get it . Seem like if you wanted to add anything it was a extra $10.000 . My neighbor had Morton build his , they did a good job for a box with just a slider barn door . My barn wasn’t just a 40 x 60 box it was custom built to my design with a enclosed finished lean-to with 4 over head garage doors with 3 entry doors to access the rooms from the inside and 2 large doors on the main building with 2 entry doors and windows . A front and back angled covered finished porches on the attached 24 x 32 man cave with doors , windows , a slinder patio door with a locking slider barn door to cover the patio slider . All the overhead doors were insulated , quality windows , lumber and materials all around quality . Unbelievable . I was just lucky , it was built a year before Covid and Biden . Can’t afford to work on anything now .
What size was your building ?
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36x54x14 with a finished 12” lean-to with with 3 storage rooms , 4 garage doors on the lean-to and 3 indoor entry doors entering from the large building . 2 large barn doors with 2 entry doors on the big building under the cover patio areas . Looking at the front the lean- To is on the left and a 24x30x10 is on the right with a 9 x30 front covered area and a L shaped covered area in the back . I only concreted the large barn and the lean-to areas . I added a 20x24x8 with a 8x12 mud room next to the 24x30 for the mechanical room , bathroom , laundry room and a office but still have to finish the the the 2 small rooms with floor heat and stuff . Everything price wise has kinda gone to hell but will finish it at some point . I build it before covid and added the on after covid it cost a chuck of change for the small additional part .
Short sleeve t-shirt and shorts........ Must not be of the itchy glassy kind of insulation.... BTW, I also wear a tee-shit and shorts every day here in Florida........... Could SPRAY FOAM insulation be any cheaper? I'm guessing approx. $6,000 for foam. Glad I found this before I move forward
thanks for describing the situation. I have a 40 X 60 pole barn I want to insulate. That's how I stumbled on this video. What is the spacing of the posts in the barn? Mine (@ 8ft.) seem to look wider but it's hard to tell looking at your video. Thanks for sharing.
My bays are 8' as well
Thank you very much. Very helpful video.
When you were talking about concrete work, did you entertain using radiant heat in the floor? Thinking about dual use of a Morton and just wondered if you had any pricing for that in your project. Great videos, thx for posting. ✌🏻
It's something I was interested in as we have it in our house and love it. It wasn't directly offered by Morton, they would have the concrete contractor. I remember some early discussion of what that would cost but it was WAY more than I would be willing to spend. I then asked just to have to tubing run and hook it up later and it was still more than I was able to spend. I don't remember what the $ number was unfortunately but it was a sizable bump.
where can one purchase this type insulation?
Could you tell me where you got your insulation from? I’m looking to do the same to my barn. It looks fantastic, great job!
I bought it from Morton. My local dealer has extra rolls from previous projects that they were willing to sell me for about $100 each.
I would probably buy a lift if had a nice shop building. There are always lights to hang, conduit to run, projects to work on etc.
Oh man, I really want to as well. They are great for so many things. I just need to find one in my price range. They are expensive and renting isn't too bad.
$5-$20k
Thanks for the video. What stops the moisture from hitting the insulation? Guessing the 2x4 gap? any mice? or birds from soffit area?
From the outside: the steel. From the inside: the poly vapor barrier.
When you buy insulation from Morton you’re getting new rolls from the local plant. Not from office stock. You’re not getting leftovers as you called it
By using the plastic wrap ontop of your insulation would you consider this as a weather barrier? I’ve got a small pole pole and I’m told I need a weather barrier on top of the metal sheets then insulate. Nice video you’ve done tho 👍🏻
The vapor barrier goes on the warm side. If you're on the inside of the building it would be metal, cross strapping, plastic wrap, insulation, cross strapping then outside metal.
From the $30K bid at the beginning to ~$4k to do it yourself, this tells me they didn't WANT to do this part of the job. Reminds me of people asking if I can fix their car for content for my own channel. My answer is "You can't afford me!" LOL
I got the feeling the building structure is their focus. Other options could be a lot more. Even my salesman recommended getting some of the work done by someone else.
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Nice job, how many beers did it take to complete this job?
That's some thick insulation. Curious to see how you address the ceiling/roof.
My plan is to have Morton do the ceiling. They blow in a few feet of insulation on top of the interior metal sheeting.
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Here is info from someone who did an area similar in size to yours. April is a very ambitious wood worker doing her own thing. This was just one part of her building her shop. I don't know if your forays into RUclips pays as well as hers has to afford things but, like you, I just want to share info. for what its worth to you.
Nice work on yours.
ruclips.net/video/hkERgdZ91a0/видео.html
I've followed her channel for a few years and discovered her not much before she built her building. My hats off to her, she does some great work. I wish I had the time to take on a project like that start to finish. My little channel only provides me entertainment while I fiddle with the bus and deal with the building.
@@Unit2345 just spoke to them about this, having a slow process getting a rough estimate from them for 42 by 80 insulated
@@richfortin08 I have one on my email from 2 weeks ago for that exact size building. With (2) 12x14 garage doors and (1) 12x12 I'm looking at a touch over 200k. There are some extras that I am wanting so you could be +/- that depending on what you're looking for.
What are you doing to insulate the ceiling?
I see a lot of post buildings where the vapor barrier is against the outside metal, so the condensation from the metal isn't absorbed into the insulation.
It depends on what climate zone you are in. That dictates what site the vapor barrier goes on, basically depending if you are in a cooling or warming climate.
@@ckm-mkc you got it right. The VB goes on the predominantly hot side. Florida = exterior, Montana = interior.
You need to have air flow through the wall cavity though
We are looking to build also. Looking to finish and make it a home. Watched both of the videos about the building and very very informative! Thanks .. we are also in north east Ohio. By Youngstown, anything think you would do differently? Does the guy who did your site prep still in business?
We wish we had added more windows and a second man door. The wife had made arrangements for the prep work. I'll ask if she still has his contact info.
What about moisture
I live in Missouri and since it's very humid here I've been told that the metal buildings sweat. I don't think it would be a great idea to use this kind of insulation for me. Ive been told there is some kind of underlayment that needs to be applied to prevent rotting of the wood frame. Any professionals have any recommendations ?? I don't want to spend time and money and do it wrong and later down the road face the consequences..thanks
Don't you need a moisture barrier between metal and fiberglass?
Why would you need a moisture barrier between metal and fiberglass? Are you afraid the fiberglass is going to rot?
@@c4call he might live in a warmer climate where you want to cool the shop more than you heat it. Then yes the moisture Barrier would be on the inside rather than the inside for a colder climate.
We just completed our building. For the insulation, did you contact Morton directly or did you go through your original sales person? If directly, do you have a good contact? Thanks
I worked through my sales person at the time. My Morton dealer, out of Wooster, Ohio, let their crews sell the extra rolls to customers directly. I've learned that isn't something done at other locations so results may vary. Contact you your salesman and see what he can offer.
Question: Should the 2x4 be flush with bottom of the truss so when you put ceiling in you can screw into 2x4? Getting ready to start this process. Thanks in advance
Which way do you put the 2x4 on to the post?
Great question since I messed this up originally. You want the 2x4 top to be level with the bottom of the truss. Then on top of the 2x4 you screw down another board to give you a surface to mount the ceiling against. The lower face of that board should be level with the bottom of the trusses so the ceiling material would be level. I hope this makes sense.
Sorry to be a pain but in video you show pre drilling the 2” side but you should actually pre drill the 4” side. Sorry for all the questions but this has me stumped and Morton tried to help but your video shows it better.
Did you look into or compare sprayed insulation?
I did and it was a lot more
I can't remember the exact price but I remember the sticker shock
Plus you don’t want to spray against the steel in case you need to repair later. Install building wrap prior to spraying
Did you do floor heat? Or, if you plan on heating the building, what are you thinking? Thanks for these videos!
I thought about doing radiant heating. We have it in our house and love it. The cost for putting it in a building of this size was cost prohibited so we didn't pursue it. The plan is to a hanging heater for the building with heating and AC for a finished room.
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So what kind of money are you talking about to do radiant heat in your building?
Boy, I can't remember a specific number. I just remember what ever it was I very quickly decided that was out of my price range. Sorry I don't have anything specific
@@Unit2345 that’s interesting, i did some maintenance on my 26 year old Detroit Radiant heater this summer, while ordering parts I asked the salesman how much to replace my existing heater, about $1600.00, I paid about $1250.00 when I originally purchased it, I thought that was very inexpensive considering how much other items have gone up since 1995!
@@jeffw7644 I think the biggest expense is putting the pex in the floor. Parts and labor
How much is your total cost
So Morton over estimates insulation for customers then resell the rolls. No wonder the buildings are so expensive. Probably good but really expensive. Thanks.
My quote included metal walls and the insulation but I agree it's really high.
How large is your shop and are you satisfies with Morton's work !
It's 48'x80' with 16' walls. I made a video about its construction of interested. ruclips.net/video/fIUVHYYIxLE/видео.html
I've been very happy with the building.
How much did you spend in two by fours? And how many did you use
I honestly don't remember the cost. I can say I used 7 boards (+1 pressure treated) per bay. I have 28 full bays plus 4 partial that used less boards because of the garage doors. A rough estimate is 250 boards used and that includes the ones I used to frame my 3 windows and man door. Ballpark it was
I know this guy
Did you ever do the roof or find a good video of it. I need to do it all but want to start with the roof to stop the condensation
I haven't done mine yet. I need to finish some inside framing and do the electrical work. My plan is to do it next winter.
If you had to do it all over again would you have just let Morton do it or no please comment back thank you very much this was a Learning experience for Me Too! Thank you very much
No regrets using Morton. One thing I would have done differently is a second man door and a few more windows.
@@Unit2345 It's OKI think I would've just put the windows up a little higher so you get more sunlight in there That's what I would have done
Did you check the price of 2" closed cell foam installed? What would that have been?
I didn't. Each bay is about 7.5' wide if that would help get a price
I’m paying $.90 per board foot for closed cell in my shop.
Foam is reasonable here
Foam will void the warranty of the metal with Morton from what I was told.
Does Morton Assemble???⚠️⚠️⚠️
Not really clear on the function of the metal strips
Their sole purpose is to hold the insulation against the 2x4.
Please wait about 10 years to record another video and then try to remember everything. Thanks.
People!!! If you're going to insulate a building, don't build a "pole barn", frame up standard walls, insulate & finish.
Pole barns are for cold storage! Not for heating! Run the numbers for all the added expenses & tell me I'm wrong..
What frost depth/code for footings are you talking about?
In northern parts of the country u gotta be down usually 42” and that cost is more than finishing the walls I think.
Also a certain population of folks first have funds for the initial structure at first, then later work on fini$hing it I believe.
Morton would not sell me insulation for my building unless they put it. No thanks.
What kind of flag is that?
The State of Ohio! O-H
@@Unit2345 Cool thanks!