Liberland: The Libertarian Crypto Micronation in Eastern Europe | CRYPTOLAND Episode 8
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- Опубликовано: 27 апр 2022
- All over the world, the crypto-wealthy are looking to create blockchain utopias that critics say are just the latest example of colonialism.
In this episode of Cryptoland, Motherboard takes you to 'Floating Man,' a wild multi-day festival for believers in Liberland, a Bitcoin-powered micronation located in a contested patch of land between Croatia and Serbia that technically doesn't exist.
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You don't claim land with flags, but with the ability to defend its borders (possibly with international recognition and help). The choice for this strip of land was probably a wise one, given that Serbs and Croats hold each other in check on land claims.
Why they dont buy a land half to Croatia half to Serbia
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This “journalist” keeps trying to put words in peoples mouths. I hate that crap. That scene with the police “trying to stop them” was ridiculous and what kept happening throughout. They weren’t trying to stop them. Cut it out bro.
I know, it happened so many times. Embarrassing.
Anyone else think the reporter is a complete tool? "I want to speak to the police" "Were being stopped by Croatian Police", "Were not being stopped, I wan't to talk to them", "Oh Were actually not being stopped" lmao. Genius
Also no one in El Salvador is forced to use bitcoin. BTC is legal tender in El Salvador. legal tender means "all debts maybe be paid using this method". Not you have to pay, vendors have to accept it. You can immediately liquidate if you choose to.
I'm glad such communities exist. We Libertarians are a small minority of the whole population. To find like-minded people to invest with, and to share culture with, is priceless.
I'm glad it exists too, that way you guys can waste your time energy and resources on this crap and be less detrimental to the rest of society.
@@blakewisswell By definion "detrimental" actions are the ones who deplete others from resources or their bodies against their will, like thieves, rapists, murderers or states. Libertarians are the ones who support voluntaryism.
The roundtable at the end is so unbelievably misinformed it questions the journalistic integrity of the piece
Describing El Salvador switch to Bitcoin as "colonial" while it is a nation that was LITERALLY dollarized - meaning they had to use the US dollar rather than their own sovereign currency.
Oh and most of their remittances which was a significant % of GDP traveling through Western financial corporations is now no longer subject to rent seeking thanks to settlement on crypto asset network
Bullshit. El Salvador is a colonial state so therefore it follows the same structure in their Bitcoin ponzi scheme
@@veneering4128 bullshit??
You can Google dollarization and see other countries in a similar position, educate yourself
All money is imaginary, mutually agreed upon concept, especially fiat, BTC represents a compelling alternative to the traditional financial system controlled by foreign nations
@@mckennaman99 vice is just cnn with pronouns
@@mckennaman99 no crypto is only a "compelling alternative" to brain dead people.
Libertarians forming their own state is hilarious.
Phoenix Foundation (Minerva Project), Gult's Gulch, Honduras Free-Tax harbors and so on... libertarians are trying and failing again and again.
Really, why would that be?
It is a great idea. It is like bringing the US Declaration of Independence into full fruition. To reclaim the freedoms lost by controlling Governments and to have more liberty is a great thing
Libertarians want minimal state, not absense of a state
Anarchocapitalists are for no state.
You are misundurtanding Anarcho-Captalist are No State.
Libertarians are minimal state power.
Vice motherboard. please tag me for your next comedy special. this had me rolling.
im pretty disappointed with vice's crypto show. i was pretty excited at first, but again and again they drop the ball on these stories. might write a thread on it.
Fucking terrible arent they? Every fucking episode i am disappointed by some major pieces of information that get left out of the stories, seeing this reminds me why i don't watch vice any more.
that no one will read because your bias is so blatant
@@vintagevga7547 agreed, it’s embarrassing. The reporter and panelist’s don’t have a clue about what they’re talking about.
Lmao
How is a country adopting bitcoin a form of colonialism? Not sure how they are coming to that conclusion. I suppose if they adopted the US dollar then it wouldn't be colonialism?
Cognitive dissonance.
They cover this in the video. The point they're making is that outside agents have implemented the switch to bitcoin, and all the infrastructure that needs and are profiting from that. So, a lot like colonialists of the past, they're showing up to a foreign country, introducing an 'industry' and profiting from it. Like rubber plantations The Congo, etc.
It's the land they're trying to steal is colonialism.
@@matthewrowley
The counterargument would be, that it is an open source software.
Most of the applications in the "crypto industry" are an open source software.
Chivo is an example for that, the government did a copy-paste of the strike API, the only need to configure the UX, but the application/ATMs/collateral is owned/operated by the government.
Edit: spelling.
and having dollars in El Salvador isnt a colonial practice?
afaik, around the year 2000 or so, El Salvador's government decided to abandon its currency (Colon) and go all-dollar because its own money was not only no good for business, it was ruinous. Dollars were the "real" money that was accepted everywhere.They then gave up their monetary sovereignty for this.
Ok, this feels like Far Cry 5...
As an attendee, I cringed at this--it was typical distortion for whatever purpose, I don't know.
I don’t know anything about liberland but I do know that Vice always do this. It’s not honest journalism.
they should build a reliable tax haven there so that all the riches can keep their $ there instead of Switzerland
You actually want the billionaires hiding their money? And Switzerland? You got a lot to learn.
@@blakewisswellyes? Who want to be taxed? You are dumb?
Poors, Low Middle Class, Middle Class,high Middle Classe and Higher class? Don't matter, no one want to be taxed
Looking forward to farcry 9 -liberland
Each episode is very hit or miss... this one was definitely a miss and full of misinformation.
In what way?
Ancapistan irl be like
I love a persons who probably support government heavy regulations by few political leaders complain about few powerful people
Vice's reporters criticize Liberland, speaking from the egalitarian utopia of the United States. :/
...Because this whole idea is a ridiculous fantasy that will never come to fruition.
Liberland is amazing, im a friend of this project since 2016
Matt, you did a great reportage! We hope to see you on New Floating Man in August!
I love that the 'voting system' of this community is a literal, perfect indictment of most crypto technologies: anyone who can afford to have outsize control on the network will absolutely take advantage of their network effect do accomplish things that s u c k
Like building infrastructure?
@@vintagevga7547 until they build the infrastructure THEY need and you get nothing. And have no say about it because money=votes.
It is a very naive assumption that a different currency will create a different world. We need a new mentality that assumes that it is in the best interest of everyone that money is just a form of energy that people have to have access to, if they have dreams to accomplish. People need to have goals and dreams to build up a better live for themselves. And currency has to be what the names says: something current, something flowing, moving from one to another and not get stuck at the few that are neurotic anyway. We need to rethink reality and common life in general.
Kinda crazy how he can say his outlook is "optimistic" after hearing everything that Jillian and Edward had to say...
What do u mean? Can u elaborate?
:P
Seemed sarcastic to me…
taking rug pull to an whole other level=LIBERLAND
Yeah that what I thought
it pretty cool as well
You can program the blockchain to do whatever you want. If some libertarians make things their way, it does not mean that a socialist cannot code their own governance token and do "socialand" or something and be as they want.
The good thing about blockchain is that will allow transparency and eventually privacy as well. (it is not private at the moment)
how can publicly viewable wallets ever become private?
🤣 are clowns still somehow trying to make ancap invented garbage socialist? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@judgemanny9316 Monero
@@judgemanny9316 Litecoin
@@judgemanny9316 Pirate Chain. $ARRR (& many others actually.)
Liberland needs to adopt a private coin with a mimble wimble protocol not one that has a publicly visible ledger.
This video was alright until i found out they weren't even on the fucking island at like 9 minutes.
How can they say it's colonialism - More accurate to describe it as a shift in currency and more specifically a shift away from a deflationary currency. No matter what the change is, there will always be a group that benefit more than others, due to being early adopters, having a bigger stake but moving to a deflationary currency will surely be beneficial for the countries finances as well as the people over time.
the only value that crypto has is the value put in by government issued bonds (cash). crypto without it is worthless/meaningless. sooo non deflationary sounds nice but its not a real concept. you sound better makinf a ad for a rug puller of 200x your money with this new coin/nft
Liberland: to live and let live!
Ok Groomer
This is a part of the Norseman Netflix series
Modern hippies
Here before the Kira boys
the next Scientology vibes
Hmm, looks like a great opportunity to scam people.
like most of crypto
They did not say if you have more money you have more power. They said if you pay more taxes. Taxes are paid in LLM and it stands to reason the more you contribute to society the more say you get over its direction. Dont wanna pay taxes? That's fine have less say. It's that simple.
so.. crazy people
China wants to connect the Danube with the Mediterranean. So who knows, it might become a major hub.
It seems like an attempt at more transparent/honest government. Hopefully they are successful in using technology to achieve a more perfect union.
"the early days"
3:42 "We don't really have diseases, the body is functioning for our protection" - Are you sure about that buddy?
Maybe the adjective "our" referred to "our species".
By killing weak individuals, diseases make our species evolve toward improved fitness.
The crypto scene in a nutshell. White supremacists and fascists calling themselves anarchists while having absolutely no idea that anarchism and libertarianism were founded by anti-capitalists and leftists. They're a fucking disgrace to the name
1990s in Liberland soon Pepelaugh
Someone invade it
Hit up📩📩👆
Dubai is not a good example.
Connecting taxes to votes seems wrong in many ways... But maybe it could make sense in a tiny island-size "nation" - if there is a hotel and two shops, might as well put them in power of everything since they _are_ everything lol. Not very friendly to regular citizens though, I doubt they'll get many of those, and will forever be just a quirky place to visit in Croatia/Serbia.
Edit: Oh, they can't even access "Liberland", nevermind then lmao
Just goes to show libertarians are just fascists that want the strong man leader decided by economic success.
They make home we take for them etc etc
Commentators are all in agreement -- setting up strawman arguments and then smugly shooting them down. Too bad they didn't have a proponent on to provide real goals, methodology and philosophy. Their superficial interpretation is boring.
Oh brother no difference.
Hmm...
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that island is a habitat for many animals and vegetation, please do not destroy nature
this guys at some point will start saying that the blockchain can heal you, you don't need to go to hospital, you just need some bitcoin and the blockchain will take care of the rest.
Seems like a cult to me.
im sure some have. look at the beginning of this series from motherboard. bitcoin/blockchain will change the world. no its just a herbalife but on the computer
Here's the problem.... Crypto is de facto NOT linked to real estate. It is the opposite. So I get the libertarian anti gvt. idea. But crypto is exactly the opposite and it does not require physical land, sovereignty, passports, borders....
Future tax haven?
Nope. Very unlikely. Libertarians aren't known for getting shit together. Individually, yes. As a group, they end up being laughing stocks.
They're going to get arrested and I'm going laugh.
unlisted, first
In the conversation about El Salvador they leave out a key piece of information: El Salvador doesnt have its own currency. It used US Dollars... so exposing themselves to cryptocurrency by way of Bitcoin, not only removes reliance on the US, but also allows them to come up with monetary policies not contingent on the US. So suggesting its a form of colonialism is a bit misleading considering they were already economically beholden to the US, without benefiting entirely from the US banking infrastructure (as in they dont have access to Venmo, Cashapp, etc...).
isnt bitcoin value based on us dollar?
@@judgemanny9316 You don't even know what your question means
Bitcoin mining is controlled mainly by USA due to most mining farms being situated there. So you don't know what you're talking about.
@@veneering4128 ...just because most mining is now concentrated here in the US doesn't mean that the US controls how the network functions... That's not how it works. So no, you don't know what you're talking about...
@@judgemanny9316 no it isn't, it's typically is converted into us dollars to convey the strength of it's appreciation.
I wonder what the age of consent is
Same as Cryptoland, I'd guess.
Just another Epstien island.
Idk how u masacred the Serbia on that flag
Sure it's not a cult at all...
This guy has no idea what hes talking about "tech is just made in an idiosyncratic person to serve their needs". No that's not how the free market works. You make tech because theres demand for it. Not because you want it because it won't be successful.
Connecting votes to taxes makes in a way. However, rather than voting on general policies and elections, I think it makes more sense to connect the voting power to how the taxes are spent. It's baffling how somebody who didn't pay taxes gets to influence how my money is spent (through electing certain individuals). If you don't pay taxes to contribute to society, you shouldn't have a say so in how the money is spent from those that do.
@@veneering4128
People that don't work, make less than the limit threshold, or work under the table, don't pay income taxes meanwhile having a say in how other people's taxes are spent and enjoying the benefits.
Also, billionaires that pay zero in taxes would get zero say in how the taxes from people who did pay are spent. I don't see the issue here.
Who would of guessed that a system that rewards people equal to the amount they contributed to society would be so controversial and considered a braindead take
😂🙃
The commentators at the end are insufferable.
I know they make you feel dumb because you don't know how to read political theory lel
@@veneering4128 Only Democrats attack as you do and not argue intellectually.
Cult vibes
I hate the new vice format so much
Ugh😂 they're trying so hard to sh!t on them
They don't have to. Liberland is real-life satire.
Those guests sucked.
Please let the earth be annihilated by an asteroid.... And end it all...
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Bs
That’s great!! Put all these lunatic in one place. And leave them to themself
That’s literally all libertarians have been asking for for 300 years. To be left the fuck alone.
You guys a too centralized
Hit asap 📩👆
CULT ALERT
5:50 sums it all up - libertarians on a speedrun to figure out why regulations exist through self reflectance
Liberland has been a dream for years for the Libertarians. U.S Conservative Liberatarian here.
And you're okay with people being able to literally buy votes?
Ok Groomer
@@BenWillock The idea of a libertarian society. Not happy with how they are creating it. Seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, and minimize the state; emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. A Swiss for money cause the minimal, a Dubai for the tech etc where minimal policies exist and everything can flourish without hindrance.
Capitalist fascists don't get to use the term libertarianism. It's an ideology created by leftists
@@veneering4128 by an Anarchist which is similar. "Leftists" Demoncrats must have control of every aspect of society and regulate everything that exist.
I really hope they don't destroy that beautiful island for their version of a cheap Dubai knock off.
So you have an “ architect/instructor” & who the fuck knows talking about things they haven’t even looked into. Read the Liberland constitution and come back to me…. I do love how you tied the story of Liberland with El Salvador trying to equate them equally with each other. And the fake questions being asked are a joke they’re meant to seem like you’re being impartial. When I’m fact it Makes that whole section of the video look like one of those adverts trying to sell you a miracle cleaner ie. “Surly it can’t clean my toddlers sick off the carpet”!? - “It sure can!”… honestly the left is just as bad as the right, where has all the real investigative journalism gone? You shouldn’t be going into a story with your opinion already determined, but take it where ever it leads! Even if it means contradicting your own views or admitting you are wrong.. rant over 😂
Make sense to have more votes if you pay more taxes, people that makes the same amount as you pay in taxes should not have the same saying in votes
Sounds like an easy way to control the poors.
So you're okay with fascism. Get help
Delusional
Freaks
I think better liberland then NATO betwen this 2 countrys😉👌
Where do they stand on the environmental damage Blockchain is causing with the energy being burned in the mining of it?
with all the meme coins. and people realizing you can just make the coins. farming is the newest dinosaur even before the loss of all petro.
Libertarians only care about their right to degrade the environment.
@@Faustobellissimo sounds like a very bigoted comment.
@@damionfragoso2655 Why? Don't you know that right-libertarianism is all about individualism and individual rights?
According to them, only by pursuing our self-interest, societal amd environmental problems will magically solve by themselves.
@@Faustobellissimo first distinguishing right verses left if a way of putting people in a group to isolate them. Second libertarianism believes that laws are used to impose behavior like they imposed Jim Crow by law and then wrote a law to repeal a law that never should have been.
The interviewer is annoying AF and frankly ruins the whole experience of learning about Liberland
If learning the truth makes you feel turned off about the idea then maybe there's your answer buddy. The entire crypto space is a fucking mirage