What’s Missing in Discipleship Today
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- Опубликовано: 30 ноя 2024
- Not too many years ago, you could assume certain things about a person raised in a Judeo-Christian culture. Of those days, Tim Keller says, "There was so much background we assumed the culture did for us that discipleship was almost like a finishing school. Now you can't assume that kids coming up have any of the basic intellectual furniture of even believing in an absolute right and wrong."
TGC Council members Tim Keller, Don Carson, and Stephen Um sat down to talk about what we may not realize is missing from catechesis and discipleship in our day. Carson points out the individualistic perspective in many of our spiritual-formation efforts: "In the Western world, when we do discipleship it tends to be very privatized to build up individual confidence in Christ (which is a good thing) and individual self-examination (which is a good thing), but it's relatively shallow thinking about the church, about relationships." Keller sees a need for the church to disciple holistically: "I don't think you can just have a class anymore. You actually have to think of every single thing you do in the church as formative, everything-your worship service, the preaching-it's going to take everything."
All three men agree that Acts 17 provides a good model for the groundwork that must be laid in order to do spiritual formation in our day. We must be prepared for longer processes, more patience, and more deliberateness.
The issue is most churches dont practice discipleship, they just practice making converts.
One of the best plannel, who can address the issue of discipleship.
I think the best, clearest, simplest answer to all the questions on discipleship (after the training of the 12 & the 70)) is found in how Paul discipled Timothy. Go back and dig Acts 16-20, 1 & 2 Timothy. Patterns, principles, practices...Its all there, exemplified specially in the Ephesian church experience.
I think alot of church members are comfortable being in their bubble and aren't practicing and being intentional about discipleship. The church needs to be a disciple making disciples church and by doing that we impact our communities and lives are changed.
Dan Fowler so true bro
Complicated words. Where is the simplicity that is in Christ?
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Can you hear the words of Mary? "Whatever He says to you, do it."
Simply answer! Jesus said, So likewise, whoever of you does not forsake all that he has cannot be My disciple." Luke 14:33
What church on the face of the planet that you know is teaching people to do this? If they are not, do you really think they are a church where Jesus is the cornerstone?
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Gentlemen, when God came to visit and take on flesh, who did he make the announcement to? Who would prepare and organize the welcome for the King of all Kings? Would it be the religious, intellectual capital at the campus in Jerusalem? Is that not where the most religious and educated religious leaders were?
Why in the world would He make the announcement to uneducated, low class, despised, smelly shepherds?
When the baby grew up and went to the Temple complex about 30 years later they rejected Him. He called them
hypocrites, snakes, liars and children of the Devil.
They plotted to kill Him, arrested Him, put Him on trial, would have executed Him but had to turn Him over to the Roman government for them to complete that dirty work. Could that be why the invitation to come greet the new King was not sent to them?
In preparation for building His Church why did Christ not go to the hub of religious activity in Jerusalem and choose from the best and brightest cream of the crop seminary students there? Was He out of His mind, as some accused Him, when He choose uneducated fisherman and other rejects to be His foundation?
Pretty tough sell. Not very good answers imo.
Did our Lord Jesus mess up?
In the few weeks He remained on Earth after His resurrection why did He not give them an instruction manual on how to build His Church? Why are we here 2000 years later trying to develop a program on "How to build the Church?"
Did He (as being one with the Holy Spirit) not return to them and guide them in all things?
Perhaps He never intended for there to be one instruction manual or program for building His Church - other than the New Testament scriptures that would be given. Rather, He, as the Holy Spirit, would guide each individual Church in what He wanted them to do. So men would not do it in their own wisdom but in submission to the leadership, guidance , direction and wisdom of the Holy Spirit of Christ.