Give me the wiriest waif with gun experience, and I guarantee she won't feel any pain from the recoil of this monstrosity in the mentioned circumstances.
It really helps when the guns 20 fucking pounds. So I'm thinking something like an 8 gauge? lmfao Edit: omfg 4 bore is twice the size of 8 gauge so fuck my math was off.
My great grandfather once said that;" When firing a 4 bore at a charging angry beast, The recoil is mitigated by the simultaneous tightening felt in the seat of ones britches".
This video brought back an old Police nightmare I have had off and on since 1977. In the summer of that year, while working the "Graveyard Shift", my partner and I were dispatched to an old, Victorian style home (the last occupied by an original family member in that area) in reference to "burglars in the attic". Upon arrival we approached the front door and as was our habit (and training) took up positions on opposite sides of the front door. It was my "turn" to knock on the door and I did so. For what ever reason, I took one step to many in line with the door and was totally caught off guard when the inner, wooden door was flung open and I felt and saw the muzzles of what I took to be a double barreled shotgun pressed into my chest with only the screening of the outer door, my uniform shirt and my brand new Kevlar vest between me and what I was sure was eternity. I was wrong about the shotgun by the way. My partner cried out "POLICE! DON'T SHOOT!!!"....I on the other hand had lost the power of speech and was near to loosing more than that as I'm sure you can imagine. As it turned out the lady of the house who was holding the gun, she was well into her 80s but strong and feisty, complied quickly and invited us into her home to seek out the "burglars in the attic". My partner took possession of the "shotgun" to avoid any further potential accidents and after searching the attic we were pleased to inform the dear lady that she had a bad squirrel infestation not burglars or hobos living in her attic. After all that, she showed us where she kept her late Fathers "hunting things" in his study. We were stunned to see several very old gun cases lined with various and sundry high end double rifles and shotguns from the 1870s through early 1900s probably half or more of which were custom H&H models. Others were of German manufacture with a bare handful being large caliber Winchester and Remington models as well as one Sharps. It was upon examination of the weapon the lady had pressed into my chest earlier that we determined that it was loaded and that it was a 4 Bore from H&H. The ammo she had in it and on hand was marked (gathered from the box it came from/in) "Nitro Express" and had been purchased by her (late) brother on one of his last cotton sales trips to London in the 1950s! Just seeing those "anti-tank" rounds made me weak in the knees and I had nightmares for many years afterwards just thinking how close I came to being killed by an "African" elephant gun in my South Carolina home town. The lady, last of her immediate family, passed away in 1980 and the house and it's contents were sold at auction in 1982 while I was serving in the Army. I have often wondered, over the years, what happened to all those classic rifles and shotguns. Excellent video as usual....Oh, and thanks for the memories.
What a stupid bitch - when you call the police and a few minutes later someone knocks at the door: who is it likely going to be?? The burglars you keep hearing from your attic??
Ah I miss the old days when you basically flung half a pound of lead at and animal in the the hopes that even if you miss the target would shit it's pants and die.
Yep, he actually considered going to the Julia auction when his double-barreled super came up missing. But he eventually found a Revenant who was willing to give it back, and since he had sentimental attachment to his trusty weapon, he thankfully was able to strike a "deal" with the demons. You all know the story from there... Keep ripping & tearing, my friends...
That is also true, lol! Even guide rifles for bear hunting might give you a kick you won´t like to repeat. Imagine a rifle that could stop an elephant in its tracks! I´ve tried shooting a big game trial for permits where I live, with a 45-70 Marlin. Lying down, it´s barely doable. Standing up though, you´ve got way more flex, and it won´t hurt as bad. I think guides armed with these monsters had to use a shooting stick to support the gun, and fire standing. Also because reeds and grass on those African plains often seems to be pretty high.
I see how it works now from watching him shoot. You get one shot at the charging tiger, if it misses, the recoil opens up your tender underbelly so the tiger can kill you quickly and you don't suffer so much.
An interesting FYI. In paper plants they have Lime kilns. At or near the end of the lime making process there is a huge, long revolving "drum" that the lime flake passes down through to be dried out. The lime will sometimes form into boulders and become "stuck" to the side of the drum, which throws the whole thing out of balance. There is a 4 gauge mounted on a post at the end of the drum, it has stops welded so it cannot be pointed outside the opening of the drum. Someone (they take turns cause it is neat to do) will get a round just like they show in this video and "shoot" the "Clinker" to break into small chunks. Everyone who works in the lime kiln area has a couple of the fired brass floating around either in their lockers or at home. And you can hear it being fired across the very large, very noisy plant. I have seen this, and shot the "rifle" myself.
@@dave_h_8742 Depends on which Tremors. Burt Gummer had a big safari rifle in the first film, but I don't think it was a 4-bore. Then in the third film, which takes place in old west times, Burt Gummers ancestor used a big ass punt gun (again not a 4-bore but a massive duck hunting shotgun, intended for having it rest on a little boat of it's own when you fire it)
Ironically enough, if you fired this at Jaws when the shark is under water, you'd definitely kill it. But if you used something like a .50 BMG, the bullet would shatter against the water surface because the .50 is supersonic, while the 4-bore is subsonic.
This video brought back some memories. About 35 years ago, I had the opportunity to fire a highly engraved 4 bore rifle at the Chabot Range in Oakland, CA. Not be confident enough to shoot it off hand, I shot it from the bench at a 50 yard target. It shoved me more than kicked and you could actual feel the impact of the shot in the berm behind the target. It was an unforgettable experience.
A member of my local rifle club conducts professional hunting trips to Africa. He has many modern dangerous game rifles and said that you cannot shoot them lying down, because you need to stand to allow the recoil to push you back. Lying down you will most likely break your collar bone.
It occurred to me just now that you could use these guns as a metaphor for the Victorian era as a whole: overwhelming, pulverizing brute force, but with a highly-refined and “bespoke” appearance.
I dont think there are items produced with such amazing amounts of craftsmanship nowadays. Whoever crafted these rifles literally put a piece of his soul into every one.
+Irondrone4 I'd love to get or make a 4-bore rifle barrel from modern steel. Use smokeless powder instead of black powder, and a sabot round with a miniature version of the tungsten long-rod penetrators tank cannons use. But I suppose the Feds wouldn't like me owning an antitank rifle capable of stopping a SWAT or FBI armored truck.
+Mark Stockman oh god. 350 grains of smokeless, maybe a 30 cal penetrator? Hell, maybe even 25 cal. Fuck sake, you may have something that's traveling at near 5000 feet per second and with tungsten, depending on the length you're probably looking at what? 200-250 grains?
+sarodimin DARPA has developed a LASER homing .303 round. You need a designated targeting person to use the LASER, but that round (imagine a BELT of 'em) is going to try its best to hit target. I expect that, for a round like this 4 Bore fires, you could put a subcaliber tungsten penetrator in a SABOT for an effective MV of more like 3000fps., or a self homing 20mm HE/Frag DARPA type. This thing has a large enough caliber bore to handle stuff like BESA 15mm (heck; it's almost a shoulder fired 20mm cannon!) and that was some wicked stuff. "Where away, Carstairs?" "I'm going out to bag a brace of armored cars for dinner." "Good show!"
tbh i would just have one of my servants carrying it with instructions to shoot anything really mean looking that starts running at me. not sure if i want to shoot one of those guns myself
Andrew Escocia if you want to protect yourself and the lives of others around you, you must take matters into your own hands in order for there to reliably be a good outcome after the smoke clears.
Them units from the British Victorian era are proof of craftsmanship elevated to the rank of art and coincidentally also fit the category in the saying "Better have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it" . Thank you Ian.
You shooting those shots and capturing your emotions has ...made my day sir. (I was down bro, feeling much better now, , so nice to have the opportunity for a rare experience gifted by a gracious host) Shalom
I dare say the most effective home defense firearm ever made, especially if a stopping gun, with rounds loaded with a 1/4 pound of buckshot a piece. The true hallway howitzer.
@@3cho787 or anything but a modern apc or tank, haha. Still the ultimate self defense round ever devised. 4 bore stopping gun should be standard for self defense. Like…”do you want an exit wound the size of a dinner plate? We got you, choose our ammo, they won’t a spine, heart, liver, lungs, diaphragm, so they just limp and dying, soon to be dead in 30 seconds max, when their brain runs out of 02. Heart also of course as is the mid point and one of the most important of the bunch.
@@unterhau1102it’s not murder if it’s self defense, although, it would be pretty hard to defend yourself in court for your use of a 4 bore rifle for home defense.
Huh. You find the strangest people in the comments section of Forgotten Weapons. At any rate, given that a 4-Bore rifle is 25mm, and that many anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns of early WW2 were 25mm, I think it's just man-portable field artillery. On a more practical note, I suspect that anyone who had to carry one through the savanna or the jungle would be very 'happy' to tell you that it was in no way a 'small arm.'
@@MagnusVictor2015 "ah shit fuck its hot, fucking humid, damn snakes, LIONS AAAAAAAAAAH, GOOOOOOOOOD, ELEFANT Sir, you might wanna shoot one of them to safe us sir patrickMcImfuckingoutofherenow"
The craftsmanship on these pieces is astounding, truly exquisite work. You show such a great breadth of firearms history, notable for their engineering, their history and provenance, as well as their aesthetic and any combination thereof. Ian, you never fail to impress.
Fredrick Courtney Selous, who hunted extensively with a 4 bore muzzle loader, is reputed to have stated: "They kicked most frightfully, so much so as to have materially affected my shooting ever since and I am heartily sorry I ever had anything to do with them."
The big bore guns and rifles were made for paper cartridges ( slightly larger bore ) and Brass cartridges ( slightly smaller bore . The load often is stamped into the receiver and loads were from the manufacture .
Yeah I can see how that has some stopping power. If you get another opportunity try shooting it east. See how many rounds it takes to stop the Earth's rotation.
We could see his shoulder almost separate from the recoil of the second shot. (Slow Mo of Left handed shot begins at 22:03) Thanks for taking one for the team Ian. I wonder how long it took for that bruise to heal. Great content as always, keep it up!
Not for home defence then? Trying to explain to the cops why there’s a 10ft hole in your wall and no burglar left might prove a bit of a issue. Also why you are missing a shoulder.
I love the damascus patterns in the barrel. Very well crafted bar of steel layers. I can't imagine how many hours it took to craft a barrel of that quality.
@@sorrenblitz805 This hearkens back to stage productions of Peter Pan, as it's tradition that the childrens' father and Captain Hook are played by the same actor.
Awesome video and information Ian! Again you're rock'n it. I really hope all those rifles fetch premium bids. Especially the shooter model. If the cosigner is reading this thank you for letting Ian shoot that beautiful beast for all of us to enjoy and learn from.
The engraving you showed on that first firearm, was remarkable. The craftsmanship that went into that is something I wish was still done as a standard.
You can go and have a Holland and Holland made today. Or a Purdey for that matter. Sadly you'll probably need to own an oil producing country to actually get an appointment but the showrooms are open to the public.
Years later Scott from Kentucky Ballistics would be shooting his 4 bore for fun. A collab would be funny but disasterous when Scott learns about the 2 bore. If anyone could fire it, it would be Scott.
Over the last two and a half years I have watched this video more than any other one video on RUclips. Those firearms are in the top three most sexy things that have past my retinas ever. Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Mr Ian your willpower is greater than mine. If I would have been where you sat in these amazing videos, I would have mortgaged my home, and purchased the lot. Top most watched video for me personally! Perfect!
The mighty 4 bore! Love them and was so glad to hear someone was making a modern one. On the farm growing up we had an 8 gauge. It was basically a pipe on a base facing the sky. Pull cord for the trigger mechanism. I thought 250grs of black powder was a lot. I was wrong. Wow.
For those who don't know the Nizam of Hyderabad was the richest men in the world of his time. He used the Jacob diamond (which was one of the biggest diamonds in the world) weighing 184 carats around 36 gm as a paper weight !
@@sorrenblitz805 it's because the Russians consider it to be a "special carbine" despite the fact that it's obviously not. It's a brutal gun, with one of its (in use) rounds being specifically designed to ruin an engine at 150m. Honestly ludicrous lmao
Again, as I've commented this on other FW videos, this is like going to a gun museum and getting a personal tour by an expert. BTW, Bass Pro has a great gun museum that they added a couple years ago. Oklahoma has the Will Rogers gun museum. It's been years since I have been to it but it was a good one.
if the shooter misses, the charging animal won't be able to find the shooter immediately due to all the smoke which gives the shooter a chance to reload
Bores and grains don't really register with me as I live in the UK but when you said a quarter of a pound, that's about 113 grams and that sounds insane for a projectile fired from a hunting rifle. So glad you got to shoot it, the slow mo of your shoulder almost getting popped out of the joint was brilliant. 👍
In case they bring back Dinosaurs. Back in the day of market hunting smooth bore versions known as punt guns were used to hunt waterfowl to feed the masses in NYC, San Francisco ,most of your large metropolitan areas one shot loaded with say #4 shot could kill dozens of ducks or geese .
Thank you for this presentation and demonstration of the 4 bore. The slow motion playback of when you fired this rifle is impressive. I had to laugh out loud at the kick it gave you. I'm kinda jealous or envious of you, but really glad you showed me what this stopping rifle is like to fire. Keep up the good work bubba. I'll be watching your channel again.
+nicolas rouvreau No the 14.5mm Soviet has significantly more energy at around 25 000 Ft.Lbs of energy. a 1/7 instead of 1/4 Lb bullet but over 3 times the velocity (Mine chrono about 3200 Fps from the PTRD.) The 14.5mm is a different type of projectile too the original ammo does not expand, it was built from the ground up for penetration. It even penetrates more than the 20mm Hispano despite having less energy. I imagine the 4 bore does some nasty damage to soft tissue and bone though where a 14.5 might just punch a 14.5mm hole all the way through.
Actually I have some firsthand experience with that. I saw a person get hit with the 25mm Bushmaster cannon in Afghanistan and all you really see is a puff of dust then they are simply gone. You almost aren't sure if what you just saw was real.
A few years ago I did some research on these guns. Some reference to them got me going and it provided a lot of good reading because they are, literally, 'incredible'. This video is the capper, because Gun Jesus is so good, the examples are excellent, and you get to see one fired. Something I never thought I would see! Thank you internet/YT!!! A gun like this keeps me involved with Second Amendment. I would never own one, I am against shooting the animals these were designed for in sport.... but I support the rights of others to choose to do so. The culture and history they represent cannot be disposed of. How do you tell the story of Teddy Roosevelt without one of these guns?
it's relatively rare and accounts for only a tiny percentage of big game hunting, but there are instances when big animals like that clash with people so dangerously that killing them is reasonable. bears, big cats, elephants, hippos and rhinos can all become individually aggressive towards humans and repeatedly seek confrontation, which tends to end badly for humans. there are historical reports of individual cats (mostly tigers and leopards) killing hundreds of people. there are videos of elephants and leopards rampaging through indian villages and towns, they get VERY scary.
16:17 When he dropped the 4 bore cartridge on the table I actually recoiled from my screen and swore loudly in shock before bursting out in disbelieving laughter. That thing is MONSTEROUS.
Thomas Jefferson remarks in a letter written circa 1785 ... A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk.
The phrase"shoulder cannon" comes to mind. Nothing like sending a quarter pound of lead in something's direction to make it stop heading in yours. Kind of like that scene in Armed and Dangerous where John Candy stops a car with a Magnum.
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It occurs to me that if you are in a situation where you need a 4 bore, you aren't going to care about or even notice the recoil.
Give me the wiriest waif with gun experience, and I guarantee she won't feel any pain from the recoil of this monstrosity in the mentioned circumstances.
It really helps when the guns 20 fucking pounds. So I'm thinking something like an 8 gauge? lmfao
Edit: omfg 4 bore is twice the size of 8 gauge so fuck my math was off.
Well, not right away...
Yes Adrenaline will do the trick i guess...
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@@JRockySchmidt Not quite when a 10 gauge is .775
"light factory load" for destroying light factories.
Ahh the wit is sharp in this one.
It hurts me more than it does hurt you!
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@@MansMan42069 Unit deployed!
"Tiger, 200 yards!"
"The animal or the tank?"
"It doesn't matter, we have a double 4-bore."
Oh boy, this tigers turret is gunna look good mounted on my wall.
easy military upgrade for anti tank forces. Double 4 bore with a tungstan depleted uranium rounds.
@@lordfrostdraken Right next to that prop I pulled off that Messerschmitt I shot down.....
@@EchosTackyTiki This made me laugh, thank you.
Lol
I remember an old hunter saying about 4 bores, “The winner gets up first.”
That's awesome!
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Or "the winner gets up".
This is now my saying for large rifles.
How old are you?smells like BS in here all the sudden
My great grandfather once said that;" When firing a 4 bore at a charging angry beast, The recoil is mitigated by the simultaneous tightening felt in the seat of ones britches".
lol. That's where Pucker Factor gets its name.
You gotta ask yourself: Would you rather your family pay for a funeral or would you rather buy a new pair of pants?
This video brought back an old Police nightmare I have had off and on since 1977. In the summer of that year, while working the "Graveyard Shift", my partner and I were dispatched to an old, Victorian style home (the last occupied by an original family member in that area) in reference to "burglars in the attic". Upon arrival we approached the front door and as was our habit (and training) took up positions on opposite sides of the front door. It was my "turn" to knock on the door and I did so. For what ever reason, I took one step to many in line with the door and was totally caught off guard when the inner, wooden door was flung open and I felt and saw the muzzles of what I took to be a double barreled shotgun pressed into my chest with only the screening of the outer door, my uniform shirt and my brand new Kevlar vest between me and what I was sure was eternity. I was wrong about the shotgun by the way. My partner cried out "POLICE! DON'T SHOOT!!!"....I on the other hand had lost the power of speech and was near to loosing more than that as I'm sure you can imagine. As it turned out the lady of the house who was holding the gun, she was well into her 80s but strong and feisty, complied quickly and invited us into her home to seek out the "burglars in the attic". My partner took possession of the "shotgun" to avoid any further potential accidents and after searching the attic we were pleased to inform the dear lady that she had a bad squirrel infestation not burglars or hobos living in her attic. After all that, she showed us where she kept her late Fathers "hunting things" in his study. We were stunned to see several very old gun cases lined with various and sundry high end double rifles and shotguns from the 1870s through early 1900s probably half or more of which were custom H&H models. Others were of German manufacture with a bare handful being large caliber Winchester and Remington models as well as one Sharps. It was upon examination of the weapon the lady had pressed into my chest earlier that we determined that it was loaded and that it was a 4 Bore from H&H. The ammo she had in it and on hand was marked (gathered from the box it came from/in) "Nitro Express" and had been purchased by her (late) brother on one of his last cotton sales trips to London in the 1950s! Just seeing those "anti-tank" rounds made me weak in the knees and I had nightmares for many years afterwards just thinking how close I came to being killed by an "African" elephant gun in my South Carolina home town. The lady, last of her immediate family, passed away in 1980 and the house and it's contents were sold at auction in 1982 while I was serving in the Army. I have often wondered, over the years, what happened to all those classic rifles and shotguns. Excellent video as usual....Oh, and thanks for the memories.
+FD Mackey Wow, what a Story oO thank you for sharing!
FD Mackey when I first saw this comment all I thought was, "Oh great, a wall of text." But that was a very good read. Have a +1
Thought same thing, but worth the read.
What a stupid bitch - when you call the police and a few minutes later someone knocks at the door: who is it likely going to be?? The burglars you keep hearing from your attic??
BlackTalon53 She didn't get to 80 by letting in home invaders!
Ah I miss the old days when you basically flung half a pound of lead at and animal in the the hopes that even if you miss the target would shit it's pants and die.
I would love to have one of these "shoulder cannons" to hunt tigers. Unfortunately German does not build tiger tanks anymore.
Well that's a twist.
Ha, had me going there.
that is comment of the day. good work
They do build Leopard 🐆 tanks still!
Have to settle for Leopards, I guess?
I like to imagine the Doom Slayer's double barrel is one of these massive beasts.
Me too. Just specially mega bigass shotgun shells. That's why it's so Super.
Apparently it’s equivalent to 8 gauge in size
When it gets reloaded you can see that those huge shells are far from normal size
A 4 bore with a big ass grappling hook on it... sounds cool as hell
Yep, he actually considered going to the Julia auction when his double-barreled super came up missing. But he eventually found a Revenant who was willing to give it back, and since he had sentimental attachment to his trusty weapon, he thankfully was able to strike a "deal" with the demons. You all know the story from there...
Keep ripping & tearing, my friends...
The “stopping rifle” is one that stops you wanting to take the second shot.
It's stop from NEEDING to take a second shot you mean.
@@sorrenblitz805 not if you miss😂😂😂
@@raygun23 Well, if you miss, you aren't gonna be taking a 2nd shot anyways. lol.
That is also true, lol! Even guide rifles for bear hunting might give you a kick you won´t like to repeat. Imagine a rifle that could stop an elephant in its tracks! I´ve tried shooting a big game trial for permits where I live, with a 45-70 Marlin. Lying down, it´s barely doable. Standing up though, you´ve got way more flex, and it won´t hurt as bad. I think guides armed with these monsters had to use a shooting stick to support the gun, and fire standing. Also because reeds and grass on those African plains often seems to be pretty high.
Unless you're Scott, of course.
I found one of those rounds in my wife's drawer except it was pink. Huh I never new she hunted.
was it rubber? probably one of those sub-lethal rounds
lololol
Mwahahaha!
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Ah your wife is a 4-bore
I see how it works now from watching him shoot.
You get one shot at the charging tiger, if it misses, the recoil opens up your tender underbelly so the tiger can kill you quickly and you don't suffer so much.
When the gun dude says "Damn" you take note.
I chuckled, opens the ammo box, "Damn!"
That 'Gun Jesus' to you, sir
If you ever disrespect Gun Jesus like that again , we The Gun Apostles will be forced to administer unto you 10 recoils of the 4 bore.
An interesting FYI. In paper plants they have Lime kilns. At or near the end of the lime making process there is a huge, long revolving "drum" that the lime flake passes down through to be dried out. The lime will sometimes form into boulders and become "stuck" to the side of the drum, which throws the whole thing out of balance. There is a 4 gauge mounted on a post at the end of the drum, it has stops welded so it cannot be pointed outside the opening of the drum. Someone (they take turns cause it is neat to do) will get a round just like they show in this video and "shoot" the "Clinker" to break into small chunks. Everyone who works in the lime kiln area has a couple of the fired brass floating around either in their lockers or at home. And you can hear it being fired across the very large, very noisy plant. I have seen this, and shot the "rifle" myself.
Im looking this up immediately
It is actually an 8guage industrial shotgun. They are loaded with a 3oz slug and I have several.
I've heard this same story from a friend who worked in a cement plant.
but what about the lead in the lime?
@@Ass_of_Amalek The projectiles are made of powdered metal instead of lead (likely bismuth) and may break apart on impact.
Am I the only one thinking that if Quint had one of these, Jaws would have ended half an hour early?
So the quote should have been 'you're gonna need a bigger rifle' ?
Didn't they have one in that film Tremors with the graboids underground.
*"Smile you son of a bitch."*
@@dave_h_8742 Depends on which Tremors. Burt Gummer had a big safari rifle in the first film, but I don't think it was a 4-bore.
Then in the third film, which takes place in old west times, Burt Gummers ancestor used a big ass punt gun (again not a 4-bore but a massive duck hunting shotgun, intended for having it rest on a little boat of it's own when you fire it)
Ironically enough, if you fired this at Jaws when the shark is under water, you'd definitely kill it.
But if you used something like a .50 BMG, the bullet would shatter against the water surface because the .50 is supersonic, while the 4-bore is subsonic.
"Heavy is good, heavy is reliable. If it doesn't work you can always hit them with it."(C) Boris "the Blade"
"Im saying you would do more damage with that thing if you fed it to him"
Sup
it kills everything in front of it, and cripples everything behind it.
yeah lol
Facts
Newton assisted self mutilation
Put a muzzle brake on it and you can kill everything to it's right and left as well
i broke my shoulder watching you shoot that thing
It gave me temporary PTSD.
Just about the one "small arm" that may actually do something along those lines.
This video brought back some memories. About 35 years ago, I had the opportunity to fire a highly engraved 4 bore rifle at the Chabot Range in Oakland, CA. Not be confident enough to shoot it off hand, I shot it from the bench at a 50 yard target. It shoved me more than kicked and you could actual feel the impact of the shot in the berm behind the target. It was an unforgettable experience.
Based upon the slo-mo footage, the 4-bore stopping rifle does not merely generate recoil; it generates FEARSOMELY STOUT RECOIL! Well done, Ian.
"4 ounces, a quarter pound projectile". Now that's a quarter pounder I'd like to see in a Happy Meal.
If you were hunting Grizz it would be! 👍👍😉
It's the Quarter Pounder that makes you Happy you scored a Meal.
A member of my local rifle club conducts professional hunting trips to Africa.
He has many modern dangerous game rifles and said that you cannot shoot them lying down, because you need to stand to allow the recoil to push you back.
Lying down you will most likely break your collar bone.
+Shane Bairstow I concur - I would not shoot one of these prone or from a bench.
"Welcome to the light artillery division."
Ian was completely terrified, but his terror was overpowered by his curiosity! Good show man!
It occurred to me just now that you could use these guns as a metaphor for the Victorian era as a whole: overwhelming, pulverizing brute force, but with a highly-refined and “bespoke” appearance.
16:38 "...damn..." I knew there was a point at which even your impeccable candor would be reduced to four letters of comedic gold.
XD I thought the same, and I can't like something more than once
So would this then be a Royale rifle? Since it fires a quarter pounder?
+Sedan57Chevy
Excellent reference, +1
+Sedan57Chevy
Royale with cheese [that's what you shoulder turns into]!
Because of the metric system?
Liberty Prime Royale with cheese!
This is amazing
I dont think there are items produced with such amazing amounts of craftsmanship nowadays. Whoever crafted these rifles literally put a piece of his soul into every one.
Ian should start a sister channel called “Forgotten Hats”.
"Not dislocated, (voice trembles) not broken..."
its a shame you didnt get to shoot a slab of ballistics gel, would love to see what sort of damage a round of that size causes!!
+TheAussieGunBunny It can kill an elephant.
carlos... what I mean is that I would have liked to see the cavitation it causes.
+TheAussieGunBunny No cavitation. Ballistics gel would vanish :D
I agree! Would have to be one huge block of gel though! :)
I just wanted to see something on the other end. I would have settled for a milk jug. I wanted to see the slug post fire or post impact.
4-bore rifles; for when something absolutely, POSITIVELY, has to die.
Sounds like something from the old game "deer avenger"
+Irondrone4 I'd love to get or make a 4-bore rifle barrel from modern steel. Use smokeless powder instead of black powder, and a sabot round with a miniature version of the tungsten long-rod penetrators tank cannons use. But I suppose the Feds wouldn't like me owning an antitank rifle capable of stopping a SWAT or FBI armored truck.
+Mark Stockman oh god. 350 grains of smokeless, maybe a 30 cal penetrator? Hell, maybe even 25 cal. Fuck sake, you may have something that's traveling at near 5000 feet per second and with tungsten, depending on the length you're probably looking at what? 200-250 grains?
+Mark Stockman dont tell anyone and just start building, may come a day you need it
+sarodimin DARPA has developed a LASER homing .303 round. You need a designated targeting person to use the LASER, but that round (imagine a BELT of 'em) is going to try its best to hit target. I expect that, for a round like this 4 Bore fires, you could put a subcaliber tungsten penetrator in a SABOT for an effective MV of more like 3000fps., or a self homing 20mm HE/Frag DARPA type. This thing has a large enough caliber bore to handle stuff like BESA 15mm (heck; it's almost a shoulder fired 20mm cannon!) and that was some wicked stuff.
"Where away, Carstairs?"
"I'm going out to bag a brace of armored cars for dinner."
"Good show!"
These become much more practical when you've got a trusty retinue of servants to carry them through the brush for you.
+jaysbob Nice M-set you got going on right there! ;)
tbh i would just have one of my servants carrying it with instructions to shoot anything really mean looking that starts running at me. not sure if i want to shoot one of those guns myself
Andrew Escocia if you want to protect yourself and the lives of others around you, you must take matters into your own hands in order for there to reliably be a good outcome after the smoke clears.
I read some Hemingway finally. Sucked.
It makes the position of 'gun bearer' more understandable.
4-Bore: for when you want to kill what’s on both ends of the gun
Especially demons on Mars
Kills on one end, maims on the other.
You can do that with a Rocket Launcher too. Just fire it from the hip
Them units from the British Victorian era are proof of craftsmanship elevated to the rank of art and coincidentally also fit the category in the saying "Better have it and not need it rather than need it and not have it" .
Thank you Ian.
"Ammunition (10-round box) sold for $20,700."
Wait what?
@Bryan Yarrington I believe you.
Why you do the math and form your own
Makes non lead ammo seem cheap.
Lathes.....brass...lead....primers. make your own
@Bryan Yarrington I have die set improvement kit please send credit and social security card and you will have it next week 👍
This video made me fall in love with SI units all over again.
You shooting those shots and capturing your emotions has ...made my day sir. (I was down bro, feeling much better now, , so nice to have the opportunity for a rare experience gifted by a gracious host)
Shalom
Testify brother testify
I dare say the most effective home defense firearm ever made, especially if a stopping gun, with rounds loaded with a 1/4 pound of buckshot a piece. The true hallway howitzer.
one way to knock out a wall for expansion
@@3cho787 or anything but a modern apc or tank, haha. Still the ultimate self defense round ever devised. 4 bore stopping gun should be standard for self defense. Like…”do you want an exit wound the size of a dinner plate? We got you, choose our ammo, they won’t a spine, heart, liver, lungs, diaphragm, so they just limp and dying, soon to be dead in 30 seconds max, when their brain runs out of 02. Heart also of course as is the mid point and one of the most important of the bunch.
@@Plastikdoom sounds like you're awfully enthusiastic about murder
@@unterhau1102it’s not murder if it’s self defense, although, it would be pretty hard to defend yourself in court for your use of a 4 bore rifle for home defense.
@Forgotten Weapons I LOVED seeing you shoot this! This is the quintessential forgotten weapons video and I’m glad you’re here doing this for us.
So do these things count as small arms or field artillery...?
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Huh. You find the strangest people in the comments section of Forgotten Weapons.
At any rate, given that a 4-Bore rifle is 25mm, and that many anti-tank and anti-aircraft guns of early WW2 were 25mm, I think it's just man-portable field artillery. On a more practical note, I suspect that anyone who had to carry one through the savanna or the jungle would be very 'happy' to tell you that it was in no way a 'small arm.'
@@MagnusVictor2015
"ah shit fuck its hot, fucking humid, damn snakes, LIONS AAAAAAAAAAH, GOOOOOOOOOD, ELEFANT Sir, you might wanna shoot one of them to safe us sir patrickMcImfuckingoutofherenow"
@@xXCREEKSTARXx where not in kansas anymore!!
Actually “destructive device” I think.
The craftsmanship on these pieces is astounding, truly exquisite work. You show such a great breadth of firearms history, notable for their engineering, their history and provenance, as well as their aesthetic and any combination thereof. Ian, you never fail to impress.
Sir, your presentations are done so well; vocally and visually; it's easy to watch episode after episode - I thank you!
You'd probably have the same velocity of projectile from your arse anyway! It would all cancel out!
Fredrick Courtney Selous, who hunted extensively with a 4 bore muzzle loader, is reputed to have stated: "They kicked most frightfully, so much so as to have materially affected my shooting ever since and I am heartily sorry I ever had anything to do with them."
The big bore guns and rifles were made for paper cartridges ( slightly larger bore ) and Brass cartridges ( slightly smaller bore . The load often is stamped into the receiver and loads were from the manufacture .
20k for 10rounds!!! I’ll never complain about 338 Lapua again haha!!
Yeah I can see how that has some stopping power. If you get another opportunity try shooting it east. See how many rounds it takes to stop the Earth's rotation.
+Edward Marshall That'll only work if they achieve escape velocity, or else they'll deliver their kinetic energy back when they land
MattOGormanSmith Yeah, I wasn't really getting into the physics so much as it was hyperbole.
that's right :) A hyperbolic orbit is one that does not return. You can NOT escape the physics.
Hallo freind
Edward Marshall / hallo dear who are you call me
We could see his shoulder almost separate from the recoil of the second shot. (Slow Mo of Left handed shot begins at 22:03) Thanks for taking one for the team Ian. I wonder how long it took for that bruise to heal.
Great content as always, keep it up!
Not for home defence then? Trying to explain to the cops why there’s a 10ft hole in your wall and no burglar left might prove a bit of a issue. Also why you are missing a shoulder.
Shoulder isn’t missing just relocate back and to the left.
No burglar because he was too close when I let loose he became literally red mist, that's what you see on the lawn
@@55Quirll just like doom that red goop on the floor
@@anthonymartinez3084 Very true 👍😁
@@anthonymartinez3084 Hide that 'fertiliser' in the garden, quick!
I love the damascus patterns in the barrel. Very well crafted bar of steel layers. I can't imagine how many hours it took to craft a barrel of that quality.
Somehow after watching this the "gun" used by the crazy ass hunter in "Jumanji" doesn't seem as comical and fake anymore. 🤔
Really put things in perspective, don't it? Though he was still right in swapping it for that USAS-12.
Fun totally irrelevant fact, Robin Williams' character's dad, the shoe factory owner guy, actually played the OG Sir Hammerlock Hunter guy too.
@@sorrenblitz805 This hearkens back to stage productions of Peter Pan, as it's tradition that the childrens' father and Captain Hook are played by the same actor.
Look at the guns used in Naked Prey, I think they're similar but I remember that gun in Jumanji, he traded it in on a modern grenade gun I believe 👍
@@BogeyTheBear I never knew that. I wonder if Robin Williams or the producer/director suggested it cause of Williams doing Hook?
Awesome video and information Ian! Again you're rock'n it. I really hope all those rifles fetch premium bids. Especially the shooter model. If the cosigner is reading this thank you for letting Ian shoot that beautiful beast for all of us to enjoy and learn from.
The engraving you showed on that first firearm, was remarkable. The craftsmanship that went into that is something I wish was still done as a standard.
It was NEVER standard.
You can go and have a Holland and Holland made today. Or a Purdey for that matter. Sadly you'll probably need to own an oil producing country to actually get an appointment but the showrooms are open to the public.
When a tiger charges you, I think you'll need a 4bore Panzerfaust
Years later Scott from Kentucky Ballistics would be shooting his 4 bore for fun. A collab would be funny but disasterous when Scott learns about the 2 bore. If anyone could fire it, it would be Scott.
What a cannon. That high speed recoil looks like you'll need a dental appointment
+Taraalcar Did you see the spit dollops fly on the first shot? Priceless.
Maybe even orthognathic surgery.
got a loose tooth? wanna rough up your pretty boy face? Holland & Holland is the choice for you.
I think they needed to wax that cheek rest some more, I was afraid it was going to rip Ian's cheek off!😅
I read somewhere that people had their retina detach from shooting these guns.
Over the last two and a half years I have watched this video more than any other one video on RUclips. Those firearms are in the top three most sexy things that have past my retinas ever. Beauty is truly in the eye of the beholder. Mr Ian your willpower is greater than mine. If I would have been where you sat in these amazing videos, I would have mortgaged my home, and purchased the lot. Top most watched video for me personally! Perfect!
That H&H is a work of art.
The mighty 4 bore! Love them and was so glad to hear someone was making a modern one. On the farm growing up we had an 8 gauge. It was basically a pipe on a base facing the sky. Pull cord for the trigger mechanism. I thought 250grs of black powder was a lot. I was wrong. Wow.
For those who don't know the Nizam of Hyderabad was the richest men in the world of his time. He used the Jacob diamond (which was one of the biggest diamonds in the world) weighing 184 carats around 36 gm as a paper weight !
20:36 for Ian's face getting mushed in slo-mo. Beautiful.
I really appreciate seeing these and that you undertook the task of letting this beauty stomp you in the shoulder. Great Content sir!
Man that is a recoil 😂
It's nearly one whole recoil! 😲
I feel like im shooting a gun with a russian buddy
I am so jealous.x
The amazing rubber gun Jesus. I was hoping he'd comment on that after he saw the footage of himself being turned into a Stretch Armstrong
When someone asks what torque is
When you absolutely, positively need the alien queen to stay down.
The russians make "shotguns" with turned down 23mm AA gun barrels.
Why is shotgun in quotes? If it fires shot shells it's a shotgun even if it's insanely oversized.
@@sorrenblitz805 IIRC, it is used more to deliver special projectiles (like smoke, etc) than to actually fire regular shells.
@@sorrenblitz805 it's because the Russians consider it to be a "special carbine" despite the fact that it's obviously not. It's a brutal gun, with one of its (in use) rounds being specifically designed to ruin an engine at 150m. Honestly ludicrous lmao
Which are basically 4 to 6 bore, depending on which scale you use. So, the same gauge as these, but shorter, which seems insanely non-useful.
You sir ,are an encyclopedia. Wonderful video.
Again, as I've commented this on other FW videos, this is like going to a gun museum and getting a personal tour by an expert. BTW, Bass Pro has a great gun museum that they added a couple years ago. Oklahoma has the Will Rogers gun museum. It's been years since I have been to it but it was a good one.
if the shooter misses, the charging animal won't be able to find the shooter immediately due to all the smoke which gives the shooter a chance to reload
Imagine that, a Le Royale with cheese saves your life from a charging rhino.
Bores and grains don't really register with me as I live in the UK but when you said a quarter of a pound, that's about 113 grams and that sounds insane for a projectile fired from a hunting rifle. So glad you got to shoot it, the slow mo of your shoulder almost getting popped out of the joint was brilliant. 👍
Is that a 4 bore round in your pocket, or are you happy to see me?
haha
You, good sir, are a genius. 😂
It's a 4 bore round in my pocket.
Ur bore ing.
Nah, more like a 2mm colibri in your pocket.
nah its just a couple 8 bore rounds.
22:03 Looks brutal on the shoulder.
what shoulder
all I see is bone colored goo
It rolled his sleeve up lol
When he explained "bore" I finally comprehended just how freaking huge a 4 bore projectile is. The force behind that would be horrifying.
+JavaJaxRex Better behind it than in front of it! :)
There used to be a sporting goods store in Fort Worth, TX that had one of these hanging over their door.
The sheer craftsmanship on these just blew my mind
Why does one need a 4-bore? Cthulhu!
In case they bring back Dinosaurs. Back in the day of market hunting smooth bore versions known as punt guns were used to hunt waterfowl to feed the masses in NYC, San Francisco ,most of your large metropolitan areas one shot loaded with say #4 shot could kill dozens of ducks or geese .
Well guns are not gonna work on Cthulhu, however you may want one for king Kong and other beast type enemies.
Sasquatch hunting, when the guys says I didn't have enough gun...I think this one would do the trick..
Lol omg! When you want to shoot an elephant who is hiding behind 2 other bigger elephants!
I am amazed how your shoulder goes flying backward, before the muzzle starts starts climbing.
Those damascus barrels!! The forging process on those barrels is so different than any other kind of forgings. I love them!!
This was the correct video to have the slow-mo facecam on
That is some profoundly stunning metalwork!
They should make a semi-auto version so we can bump fire it.
exactly. belt-fed.
I know I'm late but what the fUcK
Imagine every atom in your shoulder exploding at the speed of light...
When you need to kill a charging elephant, 60% of the time it works every time
The safari hat is a nice touch
Thank you for this presentation and demonstration of the 4 bore. The slow motion playback of when you fired this rifle is impressive. I had to laugh out loud at the kick it gave you. I'm kinda jealous or envious of you, but really glad you showed me what this stopping rifle is like to fire. Keep up the good work bubba. I'll be watching your channel again.
I'd love to see a ballistics gel test of one of these things, but who would even have enough gel for that?
+Jonathan Chappell well, i guess those weapon had nearly the same power of a 14.5mm anti tank weapon (ptrs 40 or 41 i don't remember).
+Jonathan Chappell Maybe if you used a bathtub as a mold.
+nicolas rouvreau the PTRS and PTRD (the rifles I presume you mean) fired the same cartridge.
+nicolas rouvreau No the 14.5mm Soviet has significantly more energy at around 25 000 Ft.Lbs of energy. a 1/7 instead of 1/4 Lb bullet but over 3 times the velocity (Mine chrono about 3200 Fps from the PTRD.) The 14.5mm is a different type of projectile too the original ammo does not expand, it was built from the ground up for penetration. It even penetrates more than the 20mm Hispano despite having less energy. I imagine the 4 bore does some nasty damage to soft tissue and bone though where a 14.5 might just punch a 14.5mm hole all the way through.
Actually I have some firsthand experience with that. I saw a person get hit with the 25mm Bushmaster cannon in Afghanistan and all you really see is a puff of dust then they are simply gone. You almost aren't sure if what you just saw was real.
Love the RAF "wooly pully". I had reason to wear the real thing 40 something years ago...
A few years ago I did some research on these guns. Some reference to them got me going and it provided a lot of good reading because they are, literally, 'incredible'. This video is the capper, because Gun Jesus is so good, the examples are excellent, and you get to see one fired. Something I never thought I would see! Thank you internet/YT!!!
A gun like this keeps me involved with Second Amendment. I would never own one, I am against shooting the animals these were designed for in sport.... but I support the rights of others to choose to do so. The culture and history they represent cannot be disposed of. How do you tell the story of Teddy Roosevelt without one of these guns?
it's relatively rare and accounts for only a tiny percentage of big game hunting, but there are instances when big animals like that clash with people so dangerously that killing them is reasonable. bears, big cats, elephants, hippos and rhinos can all become individually aggressive towards humans and repeatedly seek confrontation, which tends to end badly for humans. there are historical reports of individual cats (mostly tigers and leopards) killing hundreds of people. there are videos of elephants and leopards rampaging through indian villages and towns, they get VERY scary.
16:17 When he dropped the 4 bore cartridge on the table I actually recoiled from my screen and swore loudly in shock before bursting out in disbelieving laughter. That thing is MONSTEROUS.
Your depth of knowledge and patience teach is fantastic
I can imagine that Teddy Roosevelt would love a gun like this. A big, loud and impossible element, just like himself.
My shoulder hurts looking at that round...
+forgotten weapons Ian you made my shoulder hurt, both times.
Kentucky Ballistics just did a video of shooting ballistic dummies with one of these monsters, needless to say it absolutely destroyed the dummies
The slow motion clip at the end really show the brute force of the 4-bore cartridge.
Its weird after he shoots you can see his breath condensing in the air only for a short while. That's some power
Thomas Jefferson remarks in a letter written circa 1785 ...
A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun.
While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind.
Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind.
Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk.
Samuel Colt said:"Be not afraid of any man, no matter what his size. Just call on me in time of need, and I will equalize".
20:08 I had Crocodile Dundee in my head saying: "This is a GUN!"
that's not a gun.... now this.. this is a gun.
The phrase"shoulder cannon" comes to mind. Nothing like sending a quarter pound of lead in something's direction to make it stop heading in yours. Kind of like that scene in Armed and Dangerous where John Candy stops a car with a Magnum.
Loved this video. Loved seeing you actually fire one of those 4-bores!