It's crazy how everything BTM was cruxified for is now considered acceptable. Explaining memes was bad for him, but fine for Lessons in meme culture. Having a cringe voice was bad for him, but fine for burger king foot lettuce Chills. Making low effort content was bad for him, but now everyone does it. The man was ahead of his time. And ngl Kyle's mom roasting Fantano was pretty funny.
Yeah I saw the Lessons in meme culture channel appear and I was like "Uh why isn't this guy getting bullied off the platform like BTM was?!" makes no damn sense.
as far as my understanding goes, BTM just read off KnowYourMeme pages verbatim, and the overly cheery attitude has that soulless youtube kids content feel.
The reason is because Lesson in Meme Culture is more informative and well-researched on the latest meme, his voice is more calm and the editing is simplistic while Behind The Meme, while being also informative, just copied off from a Know Your Meme website on the script and his video quality and editing isn't the best neither his humor. Though, I can give BTM some credit for explaining the origin of memes (it's just poorly executed and he should do better than that). Without him, then there would be no LIMC. Still, that doesn't justified the hate he got. After all, it's just funny memes and it shouldn't be taken seriously.
Damn, all the hate over memes 💀 poor guy. Faking your own suicide isn’t the way to go. But bullying and harassing over something harmless is just extremely wrong.
I do honestly think he was experiencing severe suicidal ideation at that point. This is what many suicidal people do. They often make references to their suicide in non-serious ways (jokes, artwork/poetry, obsession with the macabre, etc) as a way to air out the thought, see how others react, see how it sounds to themselves. They normalize the idea to themselves. It's also a cry for help, a way of telling others that they're thinking about killing themselves in a way that is easier than saying to someone "I'm thinking of killing myself". I think he was in a low point in his life. I'm glad he decided not to do it and instead make a few disturbing videos instead. I doubt the videos atually hurt anyone even if they were in "bad taste" and it's not really ridiculous to see how they could raise awareness. I believe that his last video about how he "used to feel that way" might have been a lie to make people not worry about him anymore, and he was likely still feeling that way. I also help they functionally did work as a call for help, and his family and loved ones brought him to therapy. I can't get mad at him for making those videos. Really. Couldn't care less they were in bad taste. I can get mad at people for continuing to level abuse at the poor guy after these videos were made. I said it when it happened 5 years ago, and I'll say it again today. If anyone posts disturbing videos like these, they aren't looking for attention. They need HELP. Similar thing happened to Etika too. He started doing really disturbing things on livestream, and people accused him of "clowning for attention". Not long after he jumped off the Manhattan bridge. Can't help but feel if people took his disturbing behavior more seriously, he'd be alive today.
as long as his family, friends, and people in his actual life knew what was going on, I honestly think it was kind of a solid move. this is the assumption that he was just tired of people fucking with him and he essentially already decided to shut down the channel, and was not in fact doing something that would cause distress for those he knew. I imagine most who did it really did not care, but i imagine some of those who just constantly ragged this poor guy saw it and thought had killed himself might have to be confronted with the reality of their behavior. there is a huge difference between a one of troll or kind of shit talk online, but targeted and constant harassment is something that actually ruins lives, and I don't think people take the time to think about how shitty they can actually be
@@seanicus100 The last paragraph gives me a frown face when you mentioned Etika. I really missed him though. I heard him from a meme where he got really excited over a Nintendo character coming to Smash and gives me a good laugh of how great his reaction is.
@@seanicus100 my thoughts exactly. sometimes people need the two way mirror to fade to make them at least pause for a while and think about how shitty their character is. screens are depersonalizing, human communication is mostly nonverbal and our brains evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to pick up on subtleties and interaction that can not be replicated on a screen. moving from almost exclusively communicating the way we had for thousands of years to such a depersonalized way in just a decade or so is bound to end not perfectly.
as obnoxious as kyle was, people bullying him to the point of fucking up his personal life is ridiculous. people who care too much about memes are cringe as hell. memes are incredibly funny and do kinda die out when theyre overused, but if you care THIS MUCH about "normies liking memes" and "memes being ruined" you genuinely need to go outside and touch grass. smell the flowers. go for a walk even. like holy shit dude.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS! bro I remembered how my friend and I got ridiculed for being into btm during the peak of the emplemon video and I never understood why he even gotten hated. he was doing what he loved to do and I just found people over reacting. like bro it's just a dude explaining memes. touch grass.
I side with this dude. He did nothing wrong. Minded his own business and got shit for it. Now the same people are worrying about him. The mob killed this dudes channel.
The cringiest bit of this whole ordeal was the people saying he "threatened meme culture" who cares? Its a meme they die anyway if you genuinely cared about a man killing dat boi in 2016 you were the cringe
honestly. half of the memes he talked about were pretty much bound to drop off a bit anyway. meme culture is basically constantly evolving. one dude talking about memes in a "cringy" way isnt going to be doing shit when we're constantly changing our minds about what's cool and funny anyway
Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I 12 but now I just feel sad for him
Behind the Meme's suicide series almost feels like large-scale self-harm in response to large-scale abuse, as a way to take control in a "see? You don't have to beat me up because I'm already so shitty to myself" kind of a way. Poor guy, glad he's off youtube.
"Killing meme culture by making memes accessible to normies" People who say that explaining the joke/meme ruins it are the same kind of people who laugh at people who don't get jokes for being "stupid," as if they've never been confused ever. And memes are meant to become popular and then die off. There's no point to gatekeeping them
Not to mention the “you’re stupid if you don’t get this” is particularly harmful to people who are neurodivergent and don’t pick up on a lot of things like that. I saw an interaction between somebody with a mental illness that limited their social cues and ability to pick up on tone and a lot of jokes and instead of explaining things to them the other people on the thread dogpiled them for not understanding. It was awful to see. All in all this mentality is hurtful to everybody and is incredibly useless It’s awful what happened to Kyle, too. This was an awful situation
Memes aren't meant to take it seriously. It's all fun and games. Unfortunately, I don't like how BTM got treated in the most unfair way by the Internet mobs.
Ppl just be taking RUclips too serious. I'm seeing it with Tiktok too. Like when its not working out or they fall off they go insane like bro life isnt even that bad. Imagine you made like 800k in 2 years doing it and then the channel died. I'll be happy with that tbh
@@seanicus100 It worked for MatPat. And now he has a big enough audience where he can make fun of people criticizing him for his misinformation videos and still get views from it rather than get the harassment BTM did.
Had I been him, I would have fully adopted the "meme killer" personality. I would have become a villain killing all the memes and teen-bois inside jokes.
To think of the annoying awful TikTok memes he could have killed. May be Ugandan Knuckles could have died sooner. Imagine him trying to explain E to boomers. This is why we can't have nice things xD
I would've loved to see BtM's turn as a heel. That would have been legendary. But of course others already ruined it by doxxing him. That would’ve just made it worse.
"exposed him" "you killed the meme because you explain it to someone" daaamn how fragile are some people that they needed to bully someone for that, sad.
Yeah it's like one of those kinds of people who use the term "Alpha" or "beta" or "sigma" unironically, it's so stupid and close minded to think that people can be classified into normies and non.normies, no person on this earth is 100% normal, and no we all have generic and mainstream things we like as much as underground's things we like
Imagine threatening and doxxing someone over f*cking memes. Reminds me of all those losers who sent death threats to SpongeBob producer/writer Paul Tibbitt for allegedly being responsible for the show's quality demise (despite writing many of the classic episodes). All that over a cartoon...
Dude, those people sending "death threats" don't have the balls to even confront someone to their face, much less commit murder. So who gives a fuck, it's all bullshit and I wouldn't take it so seriously
Mr. Enter did the same with the 3 writers of Spongebob Squarepants (Zeus Cervax, Casey Alexander, and Richard Pursel) during the post-movie era seasons, but he really regretted that years later.
I'm actually kinda impressed by his drunk acting. It wasn't like, comically exaggerated or badly acted. Its hard to pull off a convincing drunken ramble but he did it.
Elitists in any form are pathetic. Whether it's for memes, race, culture, language, sexuality, gender, whatever. No one is superior for something they lucked into or enjoy. Just reminds me of the annoying anime fans who insist that subs are always superior.
Something tells me you were the kind of person that ran around school yelling “problem?” at people that day you discovered the troll face. That’s why we have elitists about it.
@@Artician No, not really. I found memes back in like 2009 when they were deep community centric inside jokes. If I ran around yelling Kek at people or telling them that they lost The Game, I’d have been bullied relentlessly. And for good goddamn reason.
I remember this guy. I didn't understand why he got so viciously targeted, it was as petty as a bunch of middle school bullies, which makes sense because it was probably mostly 12 year olds harassing him. I really didn't mind the fact his videos were quite simplistic, because he was just attempting to explain memes in a manner which makes sense to those who are outside of the loop on this thing. His one downfall was being highly sensitive to criticism, if he didn't react to any original jabs then he wouldn't have been targeted so bad. But still, just stupid.
@@TheClassicnathan it’s just a video with criticism though his video wasn’t about normies shouldn’t use memes it’s about criticizing the RUclipsr all that lemon did was the second point
Yeah I don’t have any hate for him but it seems like it would’ve been so easy to make higher quality videos, that was my only gripe, well his voice inflection was annoying too. The people blaming him for killing memes are losers though, like he was explaining shit like “here comes dat boi” he wasn’t explaining like underground memes he was explaining shitty very popular memes many of which were dead years before.
@@monhi64 Yeah in that sense he was a very easy target to criticize, but I feel like if he didn't listen to the critics or simply responded in a mature manner and kept on making videos in that style then people wouldn't have harassed him so much. He really proved how much it got to him and he appeared vulnerable, which is how haters and trolls smell blood. I didn't watch his videos regularly but I saw many of them in passing when he was popular. When I saw the amount of hate for him, I assumed he was a bad person or something. But now looking bad, he meant well; he seemed genuine in making these videos even if they were "simplistic".
I don't understand why people were so passionate about their precious Internet funnies. Anyone who throws a tantrum over a cringey meme videos really needs to get a life
@@Therworldtube Yeah. BTM's "death" video is shocking that RUclips immediately take it down for "violent imagery". After all, Emplemon is no better since he's a ringleader behind the whole hate train. He's maybe improved a lot in terms of his analysis videos, but the Internet will never forget.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Did you not read my comment? Emplemon DID make a video about BTM's suicide video. It's only less than 8 minutes long. And the fact that you presume the comment I made about the video I was talking about has any anti-Emp sentiment is absolutely a disgusting product shipped from twitter
@@Therworldtube I did read your reply, and yes I did watched his response video "In Defense of Behind The Meme". I'm not an anti-Emplemon guy, but look at the bright side, at least he did apologized, but still, what he did is just wrong because he's the one who lead the, like you said, the hate movement.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 When I rewatched the Meme Theory video, he explicitly stated that he doesn't hate the person behind the channel, but rather what his channel represents. Hence his punctuation of 'mediocre'. And his apology was only presuming he's making content for the money or other sinister motives. At no point did Emp add any additional fire than necessary in his video.
The cringiest part of this whole situation was the whole "killing meme culture" bullshit. Like people were getting legitimately big BabyRage mad about *memes* , did they not have anything more productive to do with their lives?
The internet will always change or not, memes now are very ironic, they're mean't to be unfunny on purpose which just makes them funny, humor is just dead in the future
As much respect I have for Emplemon, this entire debacle is so fucking stupid I had no idea how he thought BtM was a "threat to meme culture." I sure do hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
It's also funny that in that video he criticized BtM for making a video about a 4chan post about him, when he's now made several videos about comments about himself.
Behind the Meme's successor, Lessons in Meme Culture, explains it best. Memes are *supposed* to be accessible to a broad audience - that's how the spread, mutate, and come into their own. By enforcing the idea that Memes are exclusive and only for a select group of people, all that's accomplished is drumming up bad blood in spaces where it didn't need to exist. Kyle's videos could have been made by anybody, and for better and for worse, Kyle was the one who chose to make them. It could and should have been left at that.
There's a healthy mix of understanding people, people who are feeling called out and acting innocent, and of course the type people who use "normie" unironically... that's hilarious tbh.
Well I might be stating the obvious but I think behind the meme really did not like criticism and just said fuck you to it except from actually changing or just ignoring it.
I don't think using normie unironically is a problem in itself, the problem manifests when you take it way too seriously or personally. The word exists to describe a group of people and I don't see an issue with using it to refer to those who don't get one or more internet cultures, but when you're using it to call out somebody and belittle them you look incredibly sad. You have to be special in general to get offended that someone doesn't understand your lingo, whether you're expressing that through this word or others.
One thing I hate about the internet: Thousands can go wayyy to far and drive someone to breaking point with no consequences, but once that one person is driven to a breaking point and messes up that is what everyone remembers.
I always liked knowing the origin of memes. questions like, "where did the original photo come from?" or "who exactly is this guy?" always float thru my mind when i see a particularly funny or popular meme. So i thoroughly appreciated BTM and similar channel's content. The "meme culture" was always a bunch of bologna to me, because ANYONE who sees a well made and relatable meme will find it funny. Not just people who associate themselves with a phony culture.
I never watched any of his videos or anything and not sure if its because of my age, but the "meme culture" always seemed so cringe to me. I kinda wish I knew about his channel back then to learn about memes and their origins and yeah never understood the hate for it, like him faking his own death was really crappy hope he's doing better now.
I actually found his videos quite helpful. I have Autism, so having some level of help, in an easy to access format, was really neat. The people obsessed with ensuring memes remained an inside joke were likely liars, going out of their way to destroy him before he dug up one of their special memes that had a particularly horrible backstory to it. Because yeah, if you had a hand ruining someone's life for the sake of a meme, you deserve to be exposed for it. Sod memes if they have to sacrifice someone to exist.
I used to watch Behind The Meme. When I saw all the hate he got, I unsubscribed assuming that he truly did something wrong. I look back and knowing it was all over memes is dumb. Not to mention the people that actually fear "the normies ruining memes 😨" praise Lessons In Meme Culture for doing the same thing as BTM. I think it's fair to say there are genuine criticisms to be had with BTM's videos and response to Anthony Fantano, but it's incredibly petty and linecrossing to bully, send death threats and dox him and his family over jokes on the Internet.
@@GojoGOATED Idk about LIMC but PewDiePie is basically untouchable now. All the hate and controversy for him is probably just a minor inconvenience for him since he's so big and isn't as active like before. The biggest drama he had was back in 2016-2017 but he still kept making videos instead of letting the hate destroy his motivation to make more videos, something he learned from years of making YT videos and something BTH hasn't fully mastered which led to this. Also, he wasn't limited to just memes, he also did other types of content so he could still remain somewhat relevant like now where reaction type videos are the norm. As of now, he's not really trying anymore since I think he and his audience know that he's 'retired' so he just streams and makes whatever video he wants and uploading whenever he feels like it instead of sticking to the daily upload schedule that other RUclipsrs do. He's made it and he doesn't really have much reason to try anymore which is why most people and even Pewds himself say his videos are 'lazy'
He says it himself: his intentions were always good. The way he was treated was horrible. He had a passion for something, wanted to share that passion, and was berated incessantly for it. I feel bad for him, though I don’t necessarily agree with faking ending his own life, as I don’t think that’s something to he taken lightly. But I do wish that he’d been treated better.
The only real mistake he made was his reaction to the hate. The initial video mocking his format was undeniably accurate. To react to it in a ‘holier than thou’ way like he did was foolish. Faking suicide and an alcohol problem was also idiotic. He made himself difficult to defend through his melodramatic nonsense.
@@DivertingTales in my opinion he does not come off as a person genuinely contemplating suicide. I don’t believe that someone with his level of narcissism is capable of committing suicide. He uses the threat to try to make people feel sorry for him and come onto his side I agree that someone who is of sound mind would not make videos like this but suicidal thoughts are not his issue.
@@hentype But it shouldn’t happen that way! Just cause you are on the internet does that mean you are obligated to change your attitude from a reasonable lad to an unbridled jerk? Just cause it happens doesn’t mean you should accept it! I hate the stigma of “it’s the internet, and on the internet everyone’s an asshole” because that implies the internet allows you to unleash your most darkest, perverted and cruel version of yourself, and that shouldn’t be the case.
I'm actually glad you're covering Behind The Meme, because I find myself often questioning the difference between him and modern channels like Lessons in Meme Culture that sort of do the same thing. It also makes me wonder whether or not the hate on him was justified or if he just fell victim to the edgy RUclips era. I'm pretty curious on anyone elses thoughts.
Behind the Meme definitely had an annoying manner of presentation but I do think he did his videos at a time when all the commentary channels were at their peak making him an easy target. And this was in that transition period where real life and internet were still considered separate things so there were many purists who hated the idea of someone kind of bridging that gap. These days internet culture has blended so much with real life that someone like Lessons in Meme Culture can thrive and not get shit on for explaining memes.
Imagine being so online that you give any sort of a shit about the longevity of memes so much that you’re willing to dox and potentially put someone in danger. Humans can be so pathetic
I remember unironically following BTM's channel way before the internet dogpiled him. I did it because he seemed like he was genuinely happy making these videos, so I figured I'd continue supporting him for doing what he enjoyed. I am surprised to see his name pop up again in my recommended. Edit: I'm actually extremely happy to see all those defending BTM in the comments. It makes me grateful that I wasn't the only one who thought this entire situation was unbelievably stupid from the beginning.
Personally I think Behind The Meme has legitimate criticisms thrown his way, but I honestly think the people who think he was some malicious guy out here to destroy memes were bring more cringe than he was
@@IcyDiamond Exactly. Plus, memes were already mainstream enough years before his channel became a thing. That cringy ass Wendy’s commercial was one of the first ads to feature memes
Maybe if people weren't too harsh on him, then none of the controversies would've happened. I think 4Chan is the one that started the controversy way before Fantano and Emplemon joined the drama... with just one fake meme called "zenzi". I wouldn't be surprised since 4Chan is extremely controversial on its own.
Imagine trying to dox and give death threat to a RUclipsr over funny pictures with text. Honestly, doesn't matter how memes are "killed" or not, that doesn't really justified how the meme community did to him. That being said, BTM did predicted the closest thing we ever get to "cancel culture" before it's even a thing nowadays. He's trying to warn us something.
@@the4tierbridge Well, it doesn't matter. Whether it would be his family member or Kyle himself, doxxing is still a crime. Can you imagine if that could happen to you? Taking someone's addresses as an attempt for harassment and stalking could've hurt anyone. I can't blame Kyle for this. He maybe did wrong about the "fake suicide" situation, those fools who doxxed him did far worse than he would ever be. And I repeat, doxxing is a crime.
So...dude makes easy to watch videos, gets hate, exposes a big ole shit hole in the internet, holds a mirror to everyone who wants to be a prick...and HES the bad guy...looks like he was right
I genuinely hope kyle's still doing okay, he hasn't uploaded to BTM in years. Even back then, I couldn't understand why people hated him so much, the constant screaming about how "he kills memes" and shit was unhinged. One of the worst comments I saw when he covered a meme that was a few days old, someone literally said "you killed a baby". People were legitimately comparing him explaining memes to straight up murder. The people telling him to kill himself are genuinely unhinged, jesus christ people. Even if BTM DID kill memes, that doesn't justify the shit people said to him.
Honestly I think it was smart for him to leave RUclips, he clearly wasn’t in a good mental place doing RUclips so him leaving to focus more on his personal life seems like the right thing to do
his voice kind of annoying, video format and edits feel like it came from 2010 facebook or something, with all that i understand why hes hated, but overhated, it dosent help when he made the responce video to fantano, acted like that instead of embracing the meme like chills or rick asley he shouldve known things like these would happen but hope hes ok and got the help he needed
“YOURE KILLING MEMES! 😭😭😭” Fast forward to today and memes are now widespread on every platform and widely used by all ages 🤦🏾♀️ Like wtf we all discuss memes now, they are widespread so it was clearly wrong.
That's true. Although, I remember that one deleted video that I'll never forget where he took his own life online by shooting himself with the last word, "IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!", which it's a jab response to his haters in the comment who literally threatened him. He triggered the gun in front of the mirror while holding the camera and fell, ending the video with a faded skull in the background and the suicide hotline number. Not only that gives me chills in the back, but it also gives me a sense of shock, including for everyone else who feel the same. And all that because of memes.
BTM was just ahead on his time, because of his drama, we rarely see people calling each other "normies" again. He really sacrified himself for this change. He really is a brave soldier
It has nothing to do with him and more the fact that saying normie is just cringe. That and memes became so mainstream that they aren't an obscure autist subculture anymore.
I remember watching back then, while his videos weren't the best quality the amount of hate he was getting was really disturbing at times. I remember seeing a lot of death threats for this guy.
Even though what Behind Meme Did with faking offing himself and such... he didn't deserve the bullying and harassment. He was just explaining memes to people that might not understand them or maybe want to know their history (or both!). He wasn't harming anyone! Hell, I sorta liked his content! I am a person that, most of time, doesn't understand jokes and memes (either cause I mistake it as being serious or I'm just confused) and I sorta like how he explained the meme so I can understand it better. I don't like how he faked his suicide but I honsently feel really bad for the guy. He was just doing what he loved... and people ruined it for him.
I remember watching him religiously in highschool, when I was going through some pretty toxic stuff, seeing how everyone just attacked him to protect their inside jokes, which they just broadcast online anyways, was nothing short of heartbreaking.
Any adult who uses the word toxic like that deserved everything they got. They didnt go far enough apparently, if they had you wouldnt say "toxic stuff" like a 12 year old girl. Good luck having that boy you like ask you to the dance.
What do you mean they broadcast them online anyways, barely anyone knew about the memes he covered before he covered them. There's entire 600 episode long shows tout there that have been broadcast for decades that you don't even know exist, it's an entirely moot point, it doesn't matter if they were publicly available or not.
@@Cri_Jackal it's the 'world wide web', they were publicly available regardless of who talked about them, I watched some of them dozens of times on RUclips before he started talking about them. They were never secrets to be protected, they were lame jokes that went viral.
This was ridiculous. Besides, I very highly doubt that BTM was the only factor in why memes became more popular in the late 2010s. It's honestly pathetic that people would be SO defensive of their inside jokes that they would go as far as harassing and doxing a guy who was innocently trying to explain them (Granted, he wasn't good at it). Luckily, it seems that the "meme culture" has changed enough so that channels like Lessons in Meme Culture (Basically BTM done like 20 times better) can exist without getting a boatload of hate. Besides, the whole idea of "memes" isn't something that a single subculture can entirely control, the term "meme" basically just means an inside joke that, on the internet, can be modified/edited.
It's an absolute joke because memes were popular in the early-mid 2000s. They were a little bit niche, but every guy I went to school with knew the memes of the time. They were never some "hipster underground club" like these sad RUclipsrs mentioned in the video like to think. These greasy neckbeards pretending that their precious "meme culture" is going to be attacked by normies when memes were fairly mainstream LONG before BTM came along.
When you consider that all jokes are memes, but not all memes are jokes, that's what makes the .. how do you say.. "memelords?" so weird to see fervently defending their inside jokes when they're simply thoughts and ideas that either die or pass to the next generation depending on their validity/relatability. Internet weird sometimes. @_@
I agree. Seeing that clip from EmpLemon is SO pathetic. Like man that was cringe. Like wow you're not like other girls 🤪 The 2010s sure were something, that's for sure
@@CanteLizzie I like some of EmpLemon's content but his take on BTM was really bad. Like memes are some kind of limited resource we have to ration...or like memes are only good if nobody understands them
I'd like to point out that in order to be a meme, it has to spread through culture. Meme becoming more popular literally is a necessary part of something being a meme by definition
Imagine caring so much about the exclusivity of meme culture. I can't really come up with a sadder state for a human being than feeling their life is being harmed because a stranger told other strangers about what a doodle means.
What also insults me is how i saw other comments pathetically detailing how they "regret" there actions and "apologizing" in the process As if that's ever going to solve anything now
Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I was 12 but now I just feel sad for him
Honestly, the Internet is brutal. It doesn't matter what platform you're on, there's always the people that are going to hate and pray for your downfall.
People hated Behind the Meme because he taught memes to Normies according to everyone and they said he killed the memes but now Pewdiepie's Meme Review and Lessons in Meme Culture are pretty popular nowadays
I think it was a time and a place. That internet culture (though not gone) with that r9k mindset just happened to latch onto this guy with all its autistic fury.
his issue was the presentation, explaining where a meme originated from or what it means is one thing, but talking like youre catering to 6 year old and using nothing btu a rainbow background and normie gifs is not the proper way to present and damn this dude voice can make you want to jab a pen under your toenail
I'm glad I found everyone in the comments saying the same thing I was thinking. This poor guy was just a victim to 2016 internet. It's so sad when he's like "I just want everyone to be positive" and like literally doing nothing wrong at all. And nobody could stand up for him or anything because a bunch of 12 year olds just will dog pile on them. Jeezus beezus bro
@@unclekarl5219 you're saying the whole situation of his channel being dismantled and him being forced of the internet was all a stunt? You're dilusional.
It seems like everybody was edgier back in 2015-2017. The anti-SJW movement, leafyishere, the mass attack on behind the meme... everybody was just really mean
Was literally thinking the same thing like wavy said the original video the guy posted was okay but all the hate was ridiculous u dont like it move on and shut up right? I mean he should of just turned the comments off no one in this world will ever like every one just ignore them
Yeah I remember when he uploaded the Crash bandicoot “Woah” meme video. He got tons of dislikes and so much harassment that he had to take the video down. It didn’t help that he rushed the video and had some misinformation which helped escalate the hate even more
@@DannyL87 Except turning off comments would've been perceived as "cowardice" and "trying to silence people", which would've simply led to more harassment. Not to mention the whole doxxing and death threats issue. Hence why the "just ignore them" approach doesn't work worth a shit.
@@EagleTimberWolf yeah there was no way this guy could’ve won tbh..i’m glad we’ve gotten past the era of people crazily gatekeeping memes and treating them like a precious resource that “le normies” can’t get their hands on
I won't lie, trolling him at some point was kinda funny, but after how his story ended I feel incredibly bad, the man may have been obnoxious and ruined memes or whatever you wanna say about him, but at the end of the day he was just doing what he loved, explaining memes and not hurting anyone. I remember about a year or so ago, maybe more, I went back to his last video and there were so many people bragging about how they broke him and bullied him off the platform, and I feel ashamed to have participated in said bullying all due to mob mentality
@Bird Bread dude didn't deserve it, simple as that. He's stupid and rash, but he's in no way a malicious ass gatekeeper like Emp or 4chan, you're saying fucking saying he deserve death threats and doxxing.
I remember when BtM talked about the Woah Crash meme,then later in some new Woah videos made by people said that "Behind the meme killed the meme" like what the fuck?since when do individuals and collective individuals say when a meme dies if they don't really die??????
@@hairglowingkyle4572 Did you even read or understood what he said, he said hate to qn extent, not all the hate, doxxing and shit that he got, did you even read the whole text at all
I like how wavy has such a professional demeanor, and then says something like “slap the sh*t out of them.” It just brings it all back down to earth and a smile to my face.
Looking back, the attacks and criticisms of Anthony were so incredibly petty. "He's ruining memes!" Oh cry about it, eesh... "His videos are low effort!" Yeah, look at all the family vlog channels.
@Okayfire This, also Anthony’s a massive piece of human excrement who happily turned on the folks who got him to where he is now once they became a problem to the people he was surrounding himself with at that point in time. 😒
I really like EmpLemon, but his take about "Keeping the sacred knowledge out of the hands of the nOrMIeS" in that video was ironically more cringe than BTM ever was.
Eh. Passionate guy. Could have worded the video better but I understood the frustration of people who don't know anything about your interests diluting what you enjoyed about it.
@@ghhn4505 True, but you gotta have perpesctive and hope you don't take it too seriously. Because then you come of as a jerk, and end up looking like you care way too much.
I feel like your content is a high quality mix of "Behind the Memes" content and "Internet Historians" content. Also u are very bingable i literally found you a week ago and gave you like idk peobaply 12 hours of watchtime. If not more XD. Keep the good vids rollin out. Thank you for your contribution tobthis site.
Kyle sounds like a modern day Prometheus. He wanted to make memes more accessible to "normies" by making simple videos that explained them. But this made the trolls mad because they wanted to keep memes for themselves and punished him for it.
I used to watch that guy in the background. As grating as his voice was, I didn't think he deserved all the hate he got like he's the Anti-Christ. Great video mate!
he's baaaaaaack. The BehindTheMeme channel has uploaded 8 videos since the "grandma video" - the most recent being 3 weeks ago called "Why is Florida Man a thing? A look at weird news stories and why the meme exists" (as of posting this) I haven't yet watched all of the new videos, but from what i've seen, it appears as though he has returned to the "Behind The Meme" format, although with a more modern take (which is honestly much more watchable for me)
@@vicentegeonix people think you can't criticize something unless you are an expert at doing said thing, which is a pretty dumb way to think. We are only allowed to like stuff and if we dislike it we are supposed to just shut up about it. Just look at what happened to the dislikes in youtube.
Okay to be fair. Yes LIMC does the same thing, but I can tell from the format they use and how they present the stuff shows us that they are well educated and informative. Their videos are straight to the point, no filler, no jokes, and other stuff you often would find with BTM. They take very little to no time watching through and gives you a basic understanding of the memes whereas BTM (at least the latter videos) was just basic information from other websites mixed with his poor sense of humor. BTM really wasn't a good place to really learn memes. But yes I also agree with pizzaman here that people aren't taking this whole meme-thing as seriously as they did back then and that the BTM hate overall was over hated (even though he really deserved some of the criticism)
@@Eurobeat_fan Nah, everyone I knew in school who used the word “normie ” were the biggest losers and hated by everyone. They were also 4chan users who spent their time harassing random people online.
You know, Emplemon was probably sees himself with Behind The Meme Getting hate for doing something you love and get accused for destroying the things you did is really similiar to him and his YT poop drama
The people you are bullying are likely adults now , I would have definitely been one of those people to bully behind the meme in fact I didn't really like the content when it came out but internet culture has changed since then and is definitely less toxic in an obvious brutish way
@@Pactastic042 Bullying adults is no less a bad thing that bullying children. The morality of the act doesn't change because of the age of the victim. It might surprise you to know that adults have feelings too.
@@Pactastic042 Intenet culture has not really changed, it was one stupid ass gatekeeper with a large influence that have to take things out of hand. It always happens and usually because of children or adults with no sense of morals
Tbh, all he really did was explaining memes for people who were new, all the hate is what made him left, he has to stay down prob since he faked his death, when he gets caught, that’s when he REALLY gets hate.
I have no respect for the guys who used their larger platform to bully this guy off of youtube. And years later they still arent sorry for it. The guy handled it awfully, but goddam who wouldnt have?
Love how everyone said his videos were "easy to make" yet no one else was out there making them. All talk, no action. Being a RUclipsr is easier said than done. Even simplistic videos like his would take a good chunk of time editing/recording for the average person. Most people wouldn't even be able to do it. In college, I actually took a radio class, and it really opened my eyes to how many people are just not good at narration. Even in projects where we got weeks to record our own voice and edit it, most classmates just couldn't record good takes of them talking into the mic. Whether that is nerves, lack of confidence, forgetting lines, or whatever. This is even harder if you are recording something live (everyone thinks podcasts are easy for instance, but most would not be able to hold a flowing conversation for an hour that is compelling entertainment). POINT BEING, it's easy to handwave the content he made. Yet no one out there was doing it, or making them in a way where RUclips's algorithm picked them up. His videos got views because clearly, people wanted to watch them. The 5,000 negative comments are not even close to the millions of views he was getting per video. So it's pretty lame everyone bullied him. And while I get the idea of explaining a meme to boomer is "lame", who cares - the videos aren't for you.
Exactly! I’ve tried to do the do they podcast and RUclips thing: it is HARD!! Most people can critique from behind a screen and even behind fake avatars. It’s one of the most disgusting things about social media/RUclips
Imagine unironically using terms like "normies" and "meme culture". I miss when memes were so simple. The good old days of troll face and rage comics...
I don't think "anyone else can make the video" is a valid criticism, in general. Are they capable if doing it? Totally. But do they? No. He did though. So he deserves the credit, even if it's a minimal effort style. Anyone can play Smoke on the Water, but only one person ever wrote it. Calling it low effort is valid though.
Oh man I was there for this one, beginning to end. I never, ever understood what the fuck the problem was lol I will grant Behind the Meme sometimes made research mistakes in his videos, and some people didn't care for his style. Those are valid criticisms. What's not a valid criticism is explaining a meme, especially when it's already dead. Honestly a channel like his has some value to people who aren't savvy to new memes which can be obscure in their meaning (the older I get the more this describes me lol. I found the way he ended his channel really weird and disturbing honestly. But I sure didn't forget it, I'll give him that.
I used to watch this channel when it was popular. I didn't have any problem with it. At the time, for some reason I really wasn't familiar with the context of memes. Watching the channel at least made me understand where some of them came from. I still watch lessons in meme culture, even though I usually know of all the memes mentioned
It's incredible to me that people are still confused as to what they were complaining about, when everything they said came true, all of their predictions were accurate, and we are currently suffering the consequences of what they were warning against. This is like if people still didn't see the problem with excessive bank loans while living in the great depression
I was there as well. IIRC, there were literally no context of memes at the time. The only way you can find memes history is on KnowYourMeme. Other then that, that's it. Heck, i can't remember any youtubers that made memes history prior to BTM. Despite his weird editing, i still watch his videos because of context when no one made it yet. So yeah his controversy is the most stupidest and unnecessary i ever seen.
I know Kyle personally, one of the nicest people I’ve ever met, and I met him after his fame, but before his fake death. He just wanted to spread positivity man
"3 months after the Harambe incident for historical context" may be one of my favorite lines ever said in a RUclips video. I love how we've all accepted that Harambe was a pivotal point in history
Yeah. Harambe is such a good gorilla but the fact that most people condoned harassment on the mother and child for killing him is just messed up. I can't imagine what that kid's life have gone done after the Harambe incident. They could just use extra security for the zoo just in case or use a tranquilizer to prevent that from happening.
Was trying to watch this in a playlist I made of all your videos I wanted to watch. And goofy ass youtube just keeps skipping this one. I click "I understand let me watch it" and shit goes to the next one over and over
Behind the Meme is overrated, but he didn't need all the hate he deserved. He was just a guy who made meme defining videos for fun, not to be criticized by literally every YTP creator.
Overrated by who the dude just existed on RUclips with an already big pool of viewers I'm p sure no one would call him their favorite youtuber but at the same time, he wasn't awful
I personally believe EmpLemon is responsible, he has millions of followers and talking about someone in such a HATEFUL way will lead to someone doing something. It's like hearing someone being dumb in a large crowd and saying "Someone needs to do something about it". Someone will do something and technically it's your fault. Was his videos repetitive, yes. But meme culture has GROWN into a behemoth, there are videos and channels mainly posting new memes that supposedly "died". Hell there is LIMC who is basically BTM but Australian. I personally believe that the attacks taken on BTM are elitist and does show how the Internet tries to act better than IRL but we aren't.
@@aredjayc2858 he didn't have to make a video that volatile. Again it's like someone suggesting something is done in a crowd of rowdy people. Most might not do anything but with his sub size even then it was wrong of him to basically say "BTM MUST BE STOPPED! HE MAKES MY MEMES GO STALE WAHH!" I was one of those people who started to hate on BTM because at that time I thought "normies" were bad and should stay away from my vidja and meemees. But I always regret it because it was ironically just as elitist as we give "mainstream media".
@@aredjayc2858 The hate was definitely already there, but Emplemon certainly escalated it by, ironically, bringing it up to more people much like BTM brought memes to a more vast public. The view gap between his video on BTM and other videos of his made around that time should tell you something.
I'd say meme culture isn't what it used to be. We'd have a handful of good memes that weren't overused and they lasted years and years. Now-a-days, memes come and go like rapid fire. Some stick around way longer than others. Was this BTM's fault? No, I don't think so. I'd say that's the natural cause of the internet becoming more mainstream and more generations growing up with it. Kind of an inevitability. Dude didn't deserve to get bullied or doxxed. Even if his voice was kind of annoying. I'll agree with that...in the nicest way possible.
Meme culture now is a hit or defiantly a miss to me. The days or rick roll, Numa Numa, all your base those days are truly done... hell even dank memes took a hit due to people sensitivity its just the way we are now.
All of the hate that went towards him was not deserved, I never understood how he was "ruining meme culture" by explaining memes. I still can't believe human beings are capable of being so toxic over something as petty as internet jokes.
Honestly the concept was not bad. People are doing it now. It's weird how people can understand when there's a problem but can't figure out what the problem is.
The issue is that he was eventually taking niche memes and exposing them to a massive audience that had nothing to do with them. Imagine if someone took an inside joke that only you and your friends understood and used it on SNL, the first time it's aggravating but hey, doesn't really matter right? Now imagine the same guy did the exact same thing 20 more times in a row, ruining every good joke your friends had in the process. "Ruining meme culture" is an oversimplified description of what happened, these were small online communities enjoying they're own localized bit of community culture, only for said culture to be exposed to and then used by thousands of people who had nothing to do with them, it's not an experience you can really describe but if you've gone through it then you know just how enraging it is.
@@Cri_Jackal I would honestly love an actual example you have of a random person explaining a joke to random people for them to understand ruined the joke for you.
@@ruler_of_everything There are thousands of memes that are only known to a few thousand or few hundred people, you can absolutely localize them, inside jokes and memes are the exact same thing, distinguishing between them based on scale is arbitrary. Memes are constructed around the community meant to see them, if that community is small then the meme remains relatively unknown, if they never spread then you never even know they exist in the first place, you're exemplifying confirmation bias. Examples of memes that no one would recognize unless they are part of a specific community: "What pumpkin?" "Kloon 2 Loon's Voon" "CHEESE GRATOR" "Okay I believe you!" "SPEEN" "Snow Halation" And that's just from the online communities I happen to be familiar with, there are hundreds of thousands of memes that you and I will never even know exist, yet have probably lasted years, and they've lasted that long because they were never spread outside the community that spawned them. You can't base your understanding of something purely on the part you are able to observe.
Wow, meme culture is full of wildly over sensitive gate keepers. I’m not into memes, but at the end of the day they’re jokes. You don’t get to decide who gets to tell or hear them. If you apply this same logic to anything else it quickly becomes abundantly clear how flawed it is. If you’re seriously getting your panties in a bunch over some kid making RUclips videos about memes, you should probably take a step back and examine your life (or lack thereof). Anyway, keep up the great Work wavy!
Memes were good before they were called memes. And they were okay for a while after. But at this point, what memes have evolved into is pretty fucking cringe.
@@nathanwhiting5475 Nope, memes have always been shit, period. They were never "better". When they started they were unfunny and try-hard, and even now they're much the same. Only difference is how in-your-face they are now.
thank you - i struggled so much trying to put into word how sad someone's life is if they think they need to "protect memes" when there's so many better things to use energy on. that said not a fan of the "revenge" vid since that hurts everyone not just the trolls. to add anyone saying he is annoying... why on earth click the vid!!!
Not gonna lie, I'm 100% team BTM on this. Everyone just made fun of this guy for being a normal person. Cringey gatekeeping channels that piled onto a person that was just making harmless content. Not gonna lie, this drama back in the day made me stop following Fantano and it soured a lot of meme culture for me for a long time. You're not cool for making fun of people who enjoy things.
Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I 12 but now I just feel sad for him
I don't follow memes that much, but this guy taught me what different memes mean, cos the internet culture is unavoidable. Kinda a shame that BTM got flack, but no one should fake their own death. Also, his outro guy "Like and Sub" was so funny. I found out his name was Big Man Tyrone, a voice actor
@@channel45853 100% agree he didn’t sound buthurt at all to me. Just defending himself and even being the bigger person in some bits talking about how there was space for everybody on RUclips
Behind the memes helped me bridge a gap of memes of the past. I didn't like his videos and usually got what I needed to know and ditched out early. But they served a purpose and I've enjoyed memes more fully since.
2016 was essentially the 2020 of the internet, and Kyle got the brunt of it. He definitely was extreme in how he handled things, though in all fairness, it doesn't feel that different from how the people who gave him shit acted.
I'll be honest, the shitshow that was the internet in 2016 holds a special place in my heart. It was the final supernova of the edgier side of the internet before the adpocalypse neutered edgy content on RUclips.
@@gabingston3430 Meme culture was at it's highest in 2016. I remember being a 5th/6th grader in that time period and it was when I sorta discovered what the internet was all about. It was truly a golden age, albeit somewhat rusty
@Fries I meant in the sense that like how 2020 was an infamously horrible year for everyone, 2016 was perhaps the most horrible year for the internet. In hindsight, yeah, it seems like a weird comparison.
@@gabingston3430 Yeah. The 2016 seems like an awful year because of bad things happening, but the "You posted in the wrong neighborhood" video is one big miracle.
Never a bad video from you, ever. Thank you Wavy. You're the best internet historian, love your you keep it simple and don't go into pointless details for hours at a time.
this guy unfortunately started RUclips at the tail end of the offense-edgy internet train and got a taste of what that entailed. if he made his channel now, nothing would be wrong with it, people would probably love it
I've always felt that EmpLemon's video went too far. Behind the meme introduces meme to make meme disappear? Who cares? When one meme is out of date, the next one will naturally appear. And if something disappears just because a person explains it once, it doesn't deserve to exist in the first place. And EmpLemon's value of "popularity" completely puzzles me. All popular things are bad, and all unpopular things are good? In a way I can understand, like in any circle you have to do your homework in order to dig for treasure, but EmpLemon speaks as if the values are absolute. Come on, is a piece of paper that was graffitied by a kindergartener and forgot to throw away, more artistic than Monro Lisa? And his definition of popular is also very strange. Why are video games and anime, which are generally nerd culture categories, on the "popular" side in your eyes? Stop talking about channel who reading know your meme like an antichrist.
I’d like to imagine someone going “ugh I can’t believe this simpleton is teaching these normies memes, I need to calm down maybe I’ll hug my hatsune miku body pillow”
"...a mere three months after the Harambe incident, for historical context." This is a sentence straight out of a history book I hope to read one day - it really feels like it will be seen as a pivotal point for so much
Seems to me like he handled the topic quite well. People talk about mental health all the time, but no one actually gives a shit. But in that moment where they were presented it in a totally raw and real context, they did.
But I disagree though, to me it came off as him trying to get attention and make people feel bad on hating him for him by pretending to off himself. It’s a higher quality version of a guy on a forum who gets into an argument, then comes back a couple days later saying “I’m so and so’s mom, I’m coming here to tell you he committed su*cide.” Faking your death is not a good way to bring awareness to a situation, it just brings attention to you
The fact that he was DOXXED and was driven into almost committing suicide because he talked about internet memes is actually insane. Like if you are this serious about "Normies ruining memes" homeboy TOUCH SOME GRASS HOLY SHIT. You are free to criticize his videos but goddamn man yall need to chill.
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It's crazy how everything BTM was cruxified for is now considered acceptable. Explaining memes was bad for him, but fine for Lessons in meme culture. Having a cringe voice was bad for him, but fine for burger king foot lettuce Chills. Making low effort content was bad for him, but now everyone does it. The man was ahead of his time. And ngl Kyle's mom roasting Fantano was pretty funny.
Yeah I saw the Lessons in meme culture channel appear and I was like "Uh why isn't this guy getting bullied off the platform like BTM was?!" makes no damn sense.
Sucks how LIMC is loved but BTH was Hated
as far as my understanding goes, BTM just read off KnowYourMeme pages verbatim, and the overly cheery attitude has that soulless youtube kids content feel.
The reason is because Lesson in Meme Culture is more informative and well-researched on the latest meme, his voice is more calm and the editing is simplistic while Behind The Meme, while being also informative, just copied off from a Know Your Meme website on the script and his video quality and editing isn't the best neither his humor.
Though, I can give BTM some credit for explaining the origin of memes (it's just poorly executed and he should do better than that). Without him, then there would be no LIMC. Still, that doesn't justified the hate he got. After all, it's just funny memes and it shouldn't be taken seriously.
@@bobthespam Except that BTM ain't a robot just like Watchmojo than what people made out to be.
Damn, all the hate over memes 💀 poor guy. Faking your own suicide isn’t the way to go. But bullying and harassing over something harmless is just extremely wrong.
I do honestly think he was experiencing severe suicidal ideation at that point. This is what many suicidal people do. They often make references to their suicide in non-serious ways (jokes, artwork/poetry, obsession with the macabre, etc) as a way to air out the thought, see how others react, see how it sounds to themselves. They normalize the idea to themselves. It's also a cry for help, a way of telling others that they're thinking about killing themselves in a way that is easier than saying to someone "I'm thinking of killing myself". I think he was in a low point in his life. I'm glad he decided not to do it and instead make a few disturbing videos instead. I doubt the videos atually hurt anyone even if they were in "bad taste" and it's not really ridiculous to see how they could raise awareness. I believe that his last video about how he "used to feel that way" might have been a lie to make people not worry about him anymore, and he was likely still feeling that way.
I also help they functionally did work as a call for help, and his family and loved ones brought him to therapy.
I can't get mad at him for making those videos. Really. Couldn't care less they were in bad taste. I can get mad at people for continuing to level abuse at the poor guy after these videos were made.
I said it when it happened 5 years ago, and I'll say it again today. If anyone posts disturbing videos like these, they aren't looking for attention. They need HELP.
Similar thing happened to Etika too. He started doing really disturbing things on livestream, and people accused him of "clowning for attention". Not long after he jumped off the Manhattan bridge. Can't help but feel if people took his disturbing behavior more seriously, he'd be alive today.
@@seanicus100 Not reading all that, but I’m glad for you or sorry that happened.
as long as his family, friends, and people in his actual life knew what was going on, I honestly think it was kind of a solid move. this is the assumption that he was just tired of people fucking with him and he essentially already decided to shut down the channel, and was not in fact doing something that would cause distress for those he knew. I imagine most who did it really did not care, but i imagine some of those who just constantly ragged this poor guy saw it and thought had killed himself might have to be confronted with the reality of their behavior. there is a huge difference between a one of troll or kind of shit talk online, but targeted and constant harassment is something that actually ruins lives, and I don't think people take the time to think about how shitty they can actually be
@@seanicus100 The last paragraph gives me a frown face when you mentioned Etika. I really missed him though. I heard him from a meme where he got really excited over a Nintendo character coming to Smash and gives me a good laugh of how great his reaction is.
@@seanicus100 my thoughts exactly. sometimes people need the two way mirror to fade to make them at least pause for a while and think about how shitty their character is. screens are depersonalizing, human communication is mostly nonverbal and our brains evolved for hundreds of thousands of years to pick up on subtleties and interaction that can not be replicated on a screen. moving from almost exclusively communicating the way we had for thousands of years to such a depersonalized way in just a decade or so is bound to end not perfectly.
as obnoxious as kyle was, people bullying him to the point of fucking up his personal life is ridiculous. people who care too much about memes are cringe as hell. memes are incredibly funny and do kinda die out when theyre overused, but if you care THIS MUCH about "normies liking memes" and "memes being ruined" you genuinely need to go outside and touch grass. smell the flowers. go for a walk even. like holy shit dude.
HOLY FUCKING SHIT THIS! bro I remembered how my friend and I got ridiculed for being into btm during the peak of the emplemon video and I never understood why he even gotten hated. he was doing what he loved to do and I just found people over reacting. like bro it's just a dude explaining memes. touch grass.
Tbh the memes people claimed he "killed" were fucking obnoxious as well. The drama was just embarrassing for everyone involved.
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I side with this dude. He did nothing wrong. Minded his own business and got shit for it. Now the same people are worrying about him. The mob killed this dudes channel.
They honestly bullied this poor guy, for what memes.
The cringiest bit of this whole ordeal was the people saying he "threatened meme culture" who cares? Its a meme they die anyway if you genuinely cared about a man killing dat boi in 2016 you were the cringe
also, idk if everyone knows this, but there was a website called know your meme EVERYONE used when first seeing a new meme in the early 2010s.
Losers will be losers I guess
It's fucking pathetic
honestly. half of the memes he talked about were pretty much bound to drop off a bit anyway. meme culture is basically constantly evolving. one dude talking about memes in a "cringy" way isnt going to be doing shit when we're constantly changing our minds about what's cool and funny anyway
Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I 12 but now I just feel sad for him
Behind the Meme's suicide series almost feels like large-scale self-harm in response to large-scale abuse, as a way to take control in a "see? You don't have to beat me up because I'm already so shitty to myself" kind of a way. Poor guy, glad he's off youtube.
Yeah he couldn't handle the criticism so I'm glad he doesn't have to deal with it anymore
It felt like he actually was going to do it but got help and just said it was fake
@@doctorcrazy8500 I’ll give you that it did seem like it.
Yeah. I think his shift from the colorful meme content to a darker and grittier videos is something else.
@@PopcornBroVids that's one word for harassment
"Killing meme culture by making memes accessible to normies"
People who say that explaining the joke/meme ruins it are the same kind of people who laugh at people who don't get jokes for being "stupid," as if they've never been confused ever. And memes are meant to become popular and then die off. There's no point to gatekeeping them
Seriously, like imagine thinking that stupid jokes on the internet that will die off in a few months is more important than an innocent man’s life
gatekeeping people from understanding a joke is just bizarre but that's internet for you
Not to mention the “you’re stupid if you don’t get this” is particularly harmful to people who are neurodivergent and don’t pick up on a lot of things like that. I saw an interaction between somebody with a mental illness that limited their social cues and ability to pick up on tone and a lot of jokes and instead of explaining things to them the other people on the thread dogpiled them for not understanding. It was awful to see.
All in all this mentality is hurtful to everybody and is incredibly useless
It’s awful what happened to Kyle, too. This was an awful situation
memes only did the whole popular then die off kinda thing in recent years
Memes aren't meant to take it seriously. It's all fun and games. Unfortunately, I don't like how BTM got treated in the most unfair way by the Internet mobs.
Dude may have been a bit cringy, but you can hear and see that he's a good dude at heart. The internet did him dirty.
Ppl just be taking RUclips too serious. I'm seeing it with Tiktok too. Like when its not working out or they fall off they go insane like bro life isnt even that bad. Imagine you made like 800k in 2 years doing it and then the channel died. I'll be happy with that tbh
The term cringy is stupid
for me it sounded more like he thinks his audience is stupid, he seriously explained what a funeral is, shit content creator imo
I agree idk why people were so protective of memes from "normies" like who cares
Yeah, basically lots of uptight weirdos who needed to touch grass. They got much too invested in that.
Jesus, looking back the hate for him was really pathetic and taken way too far. All over stupid memes.
but so was faking his suicide for attention
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@@ArthropodJay yeah, I agree that he could’ve gone a completely different route. Both sides were shit
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@@DEGENERATORexe How can someone possibly be so upset about a youtube channel explaining memes, you're worse than he is.
If he ignored the criticism, he likely would still be making videos today. The algorithim LOVED Behind the Meme.
And on the internet, the algorithm is King 👑
Unfortunately, it's easier said than done to ignore criticism.
@@seanicus100 honestly, yeah
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It worked for MatPat. And now he has a big enough audience where he can make fun of people criticizing him for his misinformation videos and still get views from it rather than get the harassment BTM did.
@@seanicus100 "oh no people that don't know me are writing mean comments about me"
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Had I been him, I would have fully adopted the "meme killer" personality. I would have become a villain killing all the memes and teen-bois inside jokes.
To think of the annoying awful TikTok memes he could have killed. May be Ugandan Knuckles could have died sooner. Imagine him trying to explain E to boomers. This is why we can't have nice things xD
I would've loved to see BtM's turn as a heel. That would have been legendary. But of course others already ruined it by doxxing him. That would’ve just made it worse.
@@dyll_pyckle I believe they ended up doing that along the line. But it would have made for an epic story.
@@dyll_pyckle People did dox him anyway sadly
@@Ettrix Yeah they did doxx him, I just meant it probably would’ve gotten way worse.
"exposed him" "you killed the meme because you explain it to someone" daaamn how fragile are some people that they needed to bully someone for that, sad.
Essentially: "How dare you explain jokes?!?"
@@balazscsotai8354 Yeah, what's wrong with doing that?
@worthybutter2004 it makes the joke unfunny
@@adamgingibbins2751How? I find it funnier when I know the origin
@@adamgingibbins2751 Except with memes, you really might need an explanation
Anyone who unironically uses "normie" and has this much of an obsession over memes should not be taken seriously lmao.
Yeah it's like one of those kinds of people who use the term "Alpha" or "beta" or "sigma" unironically, it's so stupid and close minded to think that people can be classified into normies and non.normies, no person on this earth is 100% normal, and no we all have generic and mainstream things we like as much as underground's things we like
Haven't heard the word "normie" in ages. Feels like the late 2010s
Okay normie
lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Or Chad...... gah
My guy just roasted 90% of Reddit
Imagine threatening and doxxing someone over f*cking memes. Reminds me of all those losers who sent death threats to SpongeBob producer/writer Paul Tibbitt for allegedly being responsible for the show's quality demise (despite writing many of the classic episodes). All that over a cartoon...
Dude, those people sending "death threats" don't have the balls to even confront someone to their face, much less commit murder. So who gives a fuck, it's all bullshit and I wouldn't take it so seriously
It’s mostly the 4 chaners who are toxic and can get away with anything cause they don’t have an internet handle
Mr. Enter did the same with the 3 writers of Spongebob Squarepants (Zeus Cervax, Casey Alexander, and Richard Pursel) during the post-movie era seasons, but he really regretted that years later.
Bro, Chinese gamers attempted to bomb game devs cuz China banned bunny girl skins lmao
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Mr. Enter has honestly grown so much as a person
Imagine thinking there is such a thing as "meme culture" that needs protecting
People cling on all sorts of stuff
I like EmpLemon, but he takes memes way too seriously. Like it's a matter of life and death.
I F***ING LOVE CONFLICT !!!!!!!
I JUST WANNA WATCH PEOPLE TEAR THEMSELVES TO PIECES AND TAKING TRIVIAL TOPICS FAR TOO SERIOUSLY
@@horaciosi he makes high quality stuff but has some awful opinions sometimes
“he’s making memes accessible to the normies!” No bitches, huh?
I'm actually kinda impressed by his drunk acting. It wasn't like, comically exaggerated or badly acted. Its hard to pull off a convincing drunken ramble but he did it.
Yeah and he was really smart not to use his "RUclips" voice. I thought he was acting but using his real voice cast doubt.
He is mentally challenged and has a speech impediment.
Fun fact: He has since returned to RUclips.
He still makes videos about memes, and now has a kid.
His drunk acting was absolutely horrible and totally see-through. Still didn't deserve to be bullied like that though.
he probably knows by personal experience, it was pretty accurate (i dont drink thankfully, but i know people who do)
I have always found these so called “meme elitists” to be incredibly pathetic
Thank god emp left this
Elitists in any form are pathetic. Whether it's for memes, race, culture, language, sexuality, gender, whatever. No one is superior for something they lucked into or enjoy.
Just reminds me of the annoying anime fans who insist that subs are always superior.
Something tells me you were the kind of person that ran around school yelling “problem?” at people that day you discovered the troll face. That’s why we have elitists about it.
@@blank-vj1mc Literally everyone, including the elitists, have done that at least once in their life when they discovered a new meme.
@@Artician No, not really. I found memes back in like 2009 when they were deep community centric inside jokes. If I ran around yelling Kek at people or telling them that they lost The Game, I’d have been bullied relentlessly. And for good goddamn reason.
I remember this guy. I didn't understand why he got so viciously targeted, it was as petty as a bunch of middle school bullies, which makes sense because it was probably mostly 12 year olds harassing him. I really didn't mind the fact his videos were quite simplistic, because he was just attempting to explain memes in a manner which makes sense to those who are outside of the loop on this thing. His one downfall was being highly sensitive to criticism, if he didn't react to any original jabs then he wouldn't have been targeted so bad. But still, just stupid.
Because EmpLemon
It was because of his awful response to Emp and then his downward spiral reacting to every person who came by to criticize him.
@@TheClassicnathan it’s just a video with criticism though his video wasn’t about normies shouldn’t use memes it’s about criticizing the RUclipsr all that lemon did was the second point
Yeah I don’t have any hate for him but it seems like it would’ve been so easy to make higher quality videos, that was my only gripe, well his voice inflection was annoying too. The people blaming him for killing memes are losers though, like he was explaining shit like “here comes dat boi” he wasn’t explaining like underground memes he was explaining shitty very popular memes many of which were dead years before.
@@monhi64 Yeah in that sense he was a very easy target to criticize, but I feel like if he didn't listen to the critics or simply responded in a mature manner and kept on making videos in that style then people wouldn't have harassed him so much. He really proved how much it got to him and he appeared vulnerable, which is how haters and trolls smell blood. I didn't watch his videos regularly but I saw many of them in passing when he was popular. When I saw the amount of hate for him, I assumed he was a bad person or something. But now looking bad, he meant well; he seemed genuine in making these videos even if they were "simplistic".
I don't understand why people were so passionate about their precious Internet funnies. Anyone who throws a tantrum over a cringey meme videos really needs to get a life
I think Emplemon perfectly explains his "In defense of Behind the Meme" video, even though he kickstarted the hate movement.
@@Therworldtube Yeah. BTM's "death" video is shocking that RUclips immediately take it down for "violent imagery".
After all, Emplemon is no better since he's a ringleader behind the whole hate train. He's maybe improved a lot in terms of his analysis videos, but the Internet will never forget.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Did you not read my comment? Emplemon DID make a video about BTM's suicide video. It's only less than 8 minutes long.
And the fact that you presume the comment I made about the video I was talking about has any anti-Emp sentiment is absolutely a disgusting product shipped from twitter
@@Therworldtube I did read your reply, and yes I did watched his response video "In Defense of Behind The Meme".
I'm not an anti-Emplemon guy, but look at the bright side, at least he did apologized, but still, what he did is just wrong because he's the one who lead the, like you said, the hate movement.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 When I rewatched the Meme Theory video, he explicitly stated that he doesn't hate the person behind the channel, but rather what his channel represents. Hence his punctuation of 'mediocre'.
And his apology was only presuming he's making content for the money or other sinister motives. At no point did Emp add any additional fire than necessary in his video.
Imagine faking your own death and people just say good riddance
The cringiest part of this whole situation was the whole "killing meme culture" bullshit. Like people were getting legitimately big BabyRage mad about *memes* , did they not have anything more productive to do with their lives?
The answer is no, no they didn't. That's why they cared so much about something so trivial.
you’d be surprised how little some people have going on outside of internet
The internet will always change or not, memes now are very ironic, they're mean't to be unfunny on purpose which just makes them funny, humor is just dead in the future
IKR!! I was thinking the same thing.. like, what world did I just step into right now???
@@blitzie66 yeah January 6th comes to mind lol
As much respect I have for Emplemon, this entire debacle is so fucking stupid I had no idea how he thought BtM was a "threat to meme culture." I sure do hope somebody got fired for that blunder.
Yeah true Emp is my favorite RUclipsr but IMO that’s his worst mistake and worst video.
It's also funny that in that video he criticized BtM for making a video about a 4chan post about him, when he's now made several videos about comments about himself.
Yeah emps a prick
@@nerdyganii9580 I stopped watching him cause he just comes off Elitist in edgy humor
"Meme culture" is an oxymoron.
Behind the Meme's successor, Lessons in Meme Culture, explains it best. Memes are *supposed* to be accessible to a broad audience - that's how the spread, mutate, and come into their own. By enforcing the idea that Memes are exclusive and only for a select group of people, all that's accomplished is drumming up bad blood in spaces where it didn't need to exist. Kyle's videos could have been made by anybody, and for better and for worse, Kyle was the one who chose to make them. It could and should have been left at that.
Yeah. If it wasn't for BTM's content existing, then there would be no LIMC by now.
If memes get exclusive to a select group of people it wil be like inbreeding, only with memes instead of genes.
Dat Boi is funnier on an image board than in a presidential debate. Change my mind
Now that's a pretty meme, exquisite!
sus
If you don't think internet culture around 2016-2019 was the most toxic it's ever been, look no further than this.
There's a healthy mix of understanding people, people who are feeling called out and acting innocent, and of course the type people who use "normie" unironically... that's hilarious tbh.
Well I might be stating the obvious but I think behind the meme really did not like criticism and just said fuck you to it except from actually changing or just ignoring it.
@@alexlnsg1607 being spammed with hate and doxxed isn't criticism. Decline in views is a better form of criticism.
@@red__guy I guess the Internet was a different time and nowadays you can't even see dislikes on videos which could either be a good or a bad thing
I don't think using normie unironically is a problem in itself, the problem manifests when you take it way too seriously or personally.
The word exists to describe a group of people and I don't see an issue with using it to refer to those who don't get one or more internet cultures, but when you're using it to call out somebody and belittle them you look incredibly sad.
You have to be special in general to get offended that someone doesn't understand your lingo, whether you're expressing that through this word or others.
@@alexlnsg1607 it’s a bad thing
One thing I hate about the internet: Thousands can go wayyy to far and drive someone to breaking point with no consequences, but once that one person is driven to a breaking point and messes up that is what everyone remembers.
When you do something right, no one remembers. When you do something wrong, nobody forgets.
@@kristhemaddiusladdius1088 great quote
And?
Copium
@@walterrising4276 and is wrong.
I always liked knowing the origin of memes. questions like, "where did the original photo come from?" or "who exactly is this guy?" always float thru my mind when i see a particularly funny or popular meme. So i thoroughly appreciated BTM and similar channel's content. The "meme culture" was always a bunch of bologna to me, because ANYONE who sees a well made and relatable meme will find it funny. Not just people who associate themselves with a phony culture.
I watched a few of his videos back in the day. I never understood the hate. As far as I can tell is the hate is just as valid as meme culture itself.
I never watched any of his videos or anything and not sure if its because of my age, but the "meme culture" always seemed so cringe to me. I kinda wish I knew about his channel back then to learn about memes and their origins and yeah never understood the hate for it, like him faking his own death was really crappy hope he's doing better now.
@@kyruula6567 “hello fellow kids” momento.
all cultures are made up, thats how culture works lmao
@@thepardigon178 lmao you know exactly what i mean. not rooted in anything like location or heritage. just something that most people will find funny.
I actually found his videos quite helpful. I have Autism, so having some level of help, in an easy to access format, was really neat. The people obsessed with ensuring memes remained an inside joke were likely liars, going out of their way to destroy him before he dug up one of their special memes that had a particularly horrible backstory to it. Because yeah, if you had a hand ruining someone's life for the sake of a meme, you deserve to be exposed for it. Sod memes if they have to sacrifice someone to exist.
Same here! I loved his channel.
Try L I M C a go
I’m not autistic but a lot of jokes go over my head. His channel seemed super helpful.
@@bekahsierra7313 It was very helpful! I was so sad when he shut down his channel.
agreed
I used to watch Behind The Meme. When I saw all the hate he got, I unsubscribed assuming that he truly did something wrong. I look back and knowing it was all over memes is dumb. Not to mention the people that actually fear "the normies ruining memes 😨" praise Lessons In Meme Culture for doing the same thing as BTM.
I think it's fair to say there are genuine criticisms to be had with BTM's videos and response to Anthony Fantano, but it's incredibly petty and linecrossing to bully, send death threats and dox him and his family over jokes on the Internet.
Same, I turned against the channel when emplemon made his video
@@GojoGOATED Idk about LIMC but PewDiePie is basically untouchable now. All the hate and controversy for him is probably just a minor inconvenience for him since he's so big and isn't as active like before. The biggest drama he had was back in 2016-2017 but he still kept making videos instead of letting the hate destroy his motivation to make more videos, something he learned from years of making YT videos and something BTH hasn't fully mastered which led to this. Also, he wasn't limited to just memes, he also did other types of content so he could still remain somewhat relevant like now where reaction type videos are the norm. As of now, he's not really trying anymore since I think he and his audience know that he's 'retired' so he just streams and makes whatever video he wants and uploading whenever he feels like it instead of sticking to the daily upload schedule that other RUclipsrs do. He's made it and he doesn't really have much reason to try anymore which is why most people and even Pewds himself say his videos are 'lazy'
BRO Same
Normie
Exactly
He says it himself: his intentions were always good. The way he was treated was horrible. He had a passion for something, wanted to share that passion, and was berated incessantly for it. I feel bad for him, though I don’t necessarily agree with faking ending his own life, as I don’t think that’s something to he taken lightly. But I do wish that he’d been treated better.
They literally tried to harass him for existing and that’s how life is. The people who harass him should be banned off RUclips
The only real mistake he made was his reaction to the hate. The initial video mocking his format was undeniably accurate. To react to it in a ‘holier than thou’ way like he did was foolish. Faking suicide and an alcohol problem was also idiotic.
He made himself difficult to defend through his melodramatic nonsense.
@@DivertingTales in my opinion he does not come off as a person genuinely contemplating suicide. I don’t believe that someone with his level of narcissism is capable of committing suicide. He uses the threat to try to make people feel sorry for him and come onto his side
I agree that someone who is of sound mind would not make videos like this but suicidal thoughts are not his issue.
@@hentype
But it shouldn’t happen that way! Just cause you are on the internet does that mean you are obligated to change your attitude from a reasonable lad to an unbridled jerk? Just cause it happens doesn’t mean you should accept it! I hate the stigma of “it’s the internet, and on the internet everyone’s an asshole” because that implies the internet allows you to unleash your most darkest, perverted and cruel version of yourself, and that shouldn’t be the case.
@@Buckets50 Clinical narcissists are most at risk of suicide when they have their ego wounded, which his would have been after all that harassment.
I'm actually glad you're covering Behind The Meme, because I find myself often questioning the difference between him and modern channels like Lessons in Meme Culture that sort of do the same thing. It also makes me wonder whether or not the hate on him was justified or if he just fell victim to the edgy RUclips era. I'm pretty curious on anyone elses thoughts.
Behind the Meme definitely had an annoying manner of presentation but I do think he did his videos at a time when all the commentary channels were at their peak making him an easy target. And this was in that transition period where real life and internet were still considered separate things so there were many purists who hated the idea of someone kind of bridging that gap.
These days internet culture has blended so much with real life that someone like Lessons in Meme Culture can thrive and not get shit on for explaining memes.
I think he fell victim to the edgy era of youtube because outside of his videos being boring he wasnt doing a bad thing at all
@@GarrusN7 looking this way it kinda make BTM a bit too ahead of its time... but then he had to be too cocky about it too...
@@loganroofpedoexposer4952 wtf?
@@loganroofpedoexposer4952 sounds like something someone with no bitches would say
Imagine being so online that you give any sort of a shit about the longevity of memes so much that you’re willing to dox and potentially put someone in danger. Humans can be so pathetic
I remember unironically following BTM's channel way before the internet dogpiled him. I did it because he seemed like he was genuinely happy making these videos, so I figured I'd continue supporting him for doing what he enjoyed.
I am surprised to see his name pop up again in my recommended.
Edit: I'm actually extremely happy to see all those defending BTM in the comments. It makes me grateful that I wasn't the only one who thought this entire situation was unbelievably stupid from the beginning.
If the internet wasn't so edgey in 2016 and 2017, I don't think that what happened wouldn't be nearly as bad as what actually went down.
Same, but I unsubbed a month afterwards due to how cringe his videos became. I didn’t know anything about the drama at all
Personally I think Behind The Meme has legitimate criticisms thrown his way, but I honestly think the people who think he was some malicious guy out here to destroy memes were bring more cringe than he was
@@IcyDiamond Exactly. Plus, memes were already mainstream enough years before his channel became a thing. That cringy ass Wendy’s commercial was one of the first ads to feature memes
Maybe if people weren't too harsh on him, then none of the controversies would've happened. I think 4Chan is the one that started the controversy way before Fantano and Emplemon joined the drama... with just one fake meme called "zenzi".
I wouldn't be surprised since 4Chan is extremely controversial on its own.
Imagine trying to dox and give death threat to a RUclipsr over funny pictures with text. Honestly, doesn't matter how memes are "killed" or not, that doesn't really justified how the meme community did to him.
That being said, BTM did predicted the closest thing we ever get to "cancel culture" before it's even a thing nowadays. He's trying to warn us something.
They didn’t even dox him!
They doxed his Grandparents!
@@the4tierbridge Still, that counts as doxxing.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 are you, like stupid or something?
I’m pointing out that it’s worse because they didn’t even target the right guy.
@@the4tierbridge Well, it doesn't matter. Whether it would be his family member or Kyle himself, doxxing is still a crime. Can you imagine if that could happen to you? Taking someone's addresses as an attempt for harassment and stalking could've hurt anyone.
I can't blame Kyle for this. He maybe did wrong about the "fake suicide" situation, those fools who doxxed him did far worse than he would ever be. And I repeat, doxxing is a crime.
the poor dude was one of the only ones.
So...dude makes easy to watch videos, gets hate, exposes a big ole shit hole in the internet, holds a mirror to everyone who wants to be a prick...and HES the bad guy...looks like he was right
It's not hard being right when the people you deal with are pos.
Yup. People think his video quality is similar to Watchmojo at first until realizing that it's just one guy.
I feel sorry for what happened to poor Kyle.
"Normies" "ruining memes" pls tell me these 30 yr olds stuck in their moms basements ended up touching grass 🤦🏽♀️
These kind of mindset shows in the New '20s that nobody has ever changed.
I genuinely hope kyle's still doing okay, he hasn't uploaded to BTM in years. Even back then, I couldn't understand why people hated him so much, the constant screaming about how "he kills memes" and shit was unhinged. One of the worst comments I saw when he covered a meme that was a few days old, someone literally said "you killed a baby". People were legitimately comparing him explaining memes to straight up murder. The people telling him to kill himself are genuinely unhinged, jesus christ people. Even if BTM DID kill memes, that doesn't justify the shit people said to him.
Honestly I think it was smart for him to leave RUclips, he clearly wasn’t in a good mental place doing RUclips so him leaving to focus more on his personal life seems like the right thing to do
his voice kind of annoying, video format and edits feel like it came from 2010 facebook or something, with all that i understand why hes hated, but overhated, it dosent help when he made the responce video to fantano, acted like that instead of embracing the meme like chills or rick asley
he shouldve known things like these would happen but hope hes ok and got the help he needed
I’d sympathise with him if it wasn’t for his dumbass stunt
“YOURE KILLING MEMES! 😭😭😭”
Fast forward to today and memes are now widespread on every platform and widely used by all ages 🤦🏾♀️ Like wtf we all discuss memes now, they are widespread so it was clearly wrong.
That's true.
Although, I remember that one deleted video that I'll never forget where he took his own life online by shooting himself with the last word, "IS THAT WHAT YOU WANT?!", which it's a jab response to his haters in the comment who literally threatened him. He triggered the gun in front of the mirror while holding the camera and fell, ending the video with a faded skull in the background and the suicide hotline number. Not only that gives me chills in the back, but it also gives me a sense of shock, including for everyone else who feel the same. And all that because of memes.
BTM was just ahead on his time, because of his drama, we rarely see people calling each other "normies" again. He really sacrified himself for this change. He really is a brave soldier
Yup.
It has nothing to do with him and more the fact that saying normie is just cringe. That and memes became so mainstream that they aren't an obscure autist subculture anymore.
I’m so glad that shit mostly died out
@@supotter377 Unfortunately, some of them still stuck with the "meme killing" mindset. People never changes.
I remember watching back then, while his videos weren't the best quality the amount of hate he was getting was really disturbing at times. I remember seeing a lot of death threats for this guy.
There was literally one in the video when he was showing the zimzi thing or whatever.
Yeah. I think BTM is the first victim to ever get "cancelled" before cancel culture is a thing nowadays. He got hate... over memes? Seriously?
agreed.
Yeah, the fact that some people take their meme culture THAT seriously is honestly sad.
Reddit moment
Even though what Behind Meme Did with faking offing himself and such... he didn't deserve the bullying and harassment. He was just explaining memes to people that might not understand them or maybe want to know their history (or both!). He wasn't harming anyone! Hell, I sorta liked his content! I am a person that, most of time, doesn't understand jokes and memes (either cause I mistake it as being serious or I'm just confused) and I sorta like how he explained the meme so I can understand it better. I don't like how he faked his suicide but I honsently feel really bad for the guy. He was just doing what he loved... and people ruined it for him.
I remember watching him religiously in highschool, when I was going through some pretty toxic stuff, seeing how everyone just attacked him to protect their inside jokes, which they just broadcast online anyways, was nothing short of heartbreaking.
Any adult who uses the word toxic like that deserved everything they got. They didnt go far enough apparently, if they had you wouldnt say "toxic stuff" like a 12 year old girl. Good luck having that boy you like ask you to the dance.
@@ZDiddy7777 I'd ask your dad but you chased him off too.
@@ZDiddy7777 Dude you're out of touch
What do you mean they broadcast them online anyways, barely anyone knew about the memes he covered before he covered them.
There's entire 600 episode long shows tout there that have been broadcast for decades that you don't even know exist, it's an entirely moot point, it doesn't matter if they were publicly available or not.
@@Cri_Jackal it's the 'world wide web', they were publicly available regardless of who talked about them, I watched some of them dozens of times on RUclips before he started talking about them. They were never secrets to be protected, they were lame jokes that went viral.
This was ridiculous. Besides, I very highly doubt that BTM was the only factor in why memes became more popular in the late 2010s. It's honestly pathetic that people would be SO defensive of their inside jokes that they would go as far as harassing and doxing a guy who was innocently trying to explain them (Granted, he wasn't good at it). Luckily, it seems that the "meme culture" has changed enough so that channels like Lessons in Meme Culture (Basically BTM done like 20 times better) can exist without getting a boatload of hate.
Besides, the whole idea of "memes" isn't something that a single subculture can entirely control, the term "meme" basically just means an inside joke that, on the internet, can be modified/edited.
It's an absolute joke because memes were popular in the early-mid 2000s. They were a little bit niche, but every guy I went to school with knew the memes of the time. They were never some "hipster underground club" like these sad RUclipsrs mentioned in the video like to think. These greasy neckbeards pretending that their precious "meme culture" is going to be attacked by normies when memes were fairly mainstream LONG before BTM came along.
When you consider that all jokes are memes, but not all memes are jokes, that's what makes the .. how do you say.. "memelords?" so weird to see fervently defending their inside jokes when they're simply thoughts and ideas that either die or pass to the next generation depending on their validity/relatability.
Internet weird sometimes. @_@
I agree. Seeing that clip from EmpLemon is SO pathetic. Like man that was cringe. Like wow you're not like other girls 🤪 The 2010s sure were something, that's for sure
@@CanteLizzie
I like some of EmpLemon's content but his take on BTM was really bad.
Like memes are some kind of limited resource we have to ration...or like memes are only good if nobody understands them
I'd like to point out that in order to be a meme, it has to spread through culture. Meme becoming more popular literally is a necessary part of something being a meme by definition
Imagine caring so much about the exclusivity of meme culture. I can't really come up with a sadder state for a human being than feeling their life is being harmed because a stranger told other strangers about what a doodle means.
I agree, btm should had employ the same gate keeping tactics in the comment section...
My thoughts exactly! Preach
I've met a lot of kid who are like that. It's kinda sad
What also insults me is how i saw other comments pathetically detailing how they "regret" there actions and "apologizing" in the process
As if that's ever going to solve anything now
Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I was 12 but now I just feel sad for him
Honestly, the Internet is brutal. It doesn't matter what platform you're on, there's always the people that are going to hate and pray for your downfall.
People hated Behind the Meme because he taught memes to Normies according to everyone and they said he killed the memes but now Pewdiepie's Meme Review and Lessons in Meme Culture are pretty popular nowadays
I think it was a time and a place. That internet culture (though not gone) with that r9k mindset just happened to latch onto this guy with all its autistic fury.
Theres a difference between being in on the joke and regurgitating the wikipedia page for a joke.
The thing is with LIMC VS. BtM is LIMC doesn't explain the joke. he just talks about how it started and doesn't do it talking to you like you're a 6.
He was how I got into memes, I didn’t know what Doge or Uganda Knuckles was
his issue was the presentation, explaining where a meme originated from or what it means is one thing, but talking like youre catering to 6 year old and using nothing btu a rainbow background and normie gifs is not the proper way to present
and damn this dude voice can make you want to jab a pen under your toenail
I'm glad I found everyone in the comments saying the same thing I was thinking. This poor guy was just a victim to 2016 internet. It's so sad when he's like "I just want everyone to be positive" and like literally doing nothing wrong at all. And nobody could stand up for him or anything because a bunch of 12 year olds just will dog pile on them. Jeezus beezus bro
It was a stunt
2015-18 was such a dark age for internet culture
@@blockotheblock5672 Ya kinda agree tbh. Used to be apart of that, and good lord it did a lot of harm to me personally, and socially.
@@unclekarl5219 you're saying the whole situation of his channel being dismantled and him being forced of the internet was all a stunt? You're dilusional.
@@boogityhoo7452 pretending to kill himself was a stunt for attention
I remember watching him as a teen. It’s sad that this is what happened to him.
"meme culture has been delicately constructed" I spit soda all over my monitor... who was that schmuck?
One of the best channels on RUclips
It seems like everybody was edgier back in 2015-2017. The anti-SJW movement, leafyishere, the mass attack on behind the meme... everybody was just really mean
Keemstar, Leafy, Scarce, BTM. Boy there were A LOT of youtube dramas and this was right before 'Cancel Culture' became common.
SJW community too, and RUclips is still mean.
@@LightBluly Or, people had enough of their shit and them getting away with it.
@@channel45853 found the nazi
@@SnoFitzroy what?
Anyone who claims they’re apart of “meme culture” is undoubtedly worse than behind the meme.
Anyone who called someone a "normie" should splashed their faces with water.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 only water?
Agreed. Memes are pop culture. It's like trying to pretend you're superior for liking Ariana Grande.
*a part
@@poweroffriendship2.0 normies mad
watching this all unfold in real time was crazy. i feel bad for the guy now...over damn memes holy shit lmao
Was literally thinking the same thing like wavy said the original video the guy posted was okay but all the hate was ridiculous u dont like it move on and shut up right? I mean he should of just turned the comments off no one in this world will ever like every one just ignore them
Yeah I remember when he uploaded the Crash bandicoot “Woah” meme video. He got tons of dislikes and so much harassment that he had to take the video down. It didn’t help that he rushed the video and had some misinformation which helped escalate the hate even more
@@DannyL87 Except turning off comments would've been perceived as "cowardice" and "trying to silence people", which would've simply led to more harassment. Not to mention the whole doxxing and death threats issue. Hence why the "just ignore them" approach doesn't work worth a shit.
@@EagleTimberWolf yeah there was no way this guy could’ve won tbh..i’m glad we’ve gotten past the era of people crazily gatekeeping memes and treating them like a precious resource that “le normies” can’t get their hands on
I fuckin loved this guy as a kid. I'm autistic and it was nice to have jokes explained to me ❤️
I won't lie, trolling him at some point was kinda funny, but after how his story ended I feel incredibly bad, the man may have been obnoxious and ruined memes or whatever you wanna say about him, but at the end of the day he was just doing what he loved, explaining memes and not hurting anyone. I remember about a year or so ago, maybe more, I went back to his last video and there were so many people bragging about how they broke him and bullied him off the platform, and I feel ashamed to have participated in said bullying all due to mob mentality
Yeah people are kinda douchebags
Hindsight is 20/20.
@Safwaan 2 weeks is being generous
You should be ashamed of yourself.
@@GODCONVOYPRIME OP learned their lesson, so shush
He didn’t deserve the hate at ALL. People were just fucking gatekeeping memes and acting like their life depended on it
gatekeeping should only be used on people who gatekeep
@Bird Bread i'm sorry.... WHAT????????????????????????????????????????
@Bird Bread dude didn't deserve it, simple as that. He's stupid and rash, but he's in no way a malicious ass gatekeeper like Emp or 4chan, you're saying fucking saying he deserve death threats and doxxing.
I remember when BtM talked about the Woah Crash meme,then later in some new Woah videos made by people said that "Behind the meme killed the meme" like what the fuck?since when do individuals and collective individuals say when a meme dies if they don't really die??????
@@hairglowingkyle4572 Did you even read or understood what he said, he said hate to qn extent, not all the hate, doxxing and shit that he got, did you even read the whole text at all
We should start using Before and After Harambe as a standard dating method.
BDH and ADH
Yo it’s the Doge Star Wars fan guy.
@@Justin-yt7pi no this is Patrick
I swear you comment on every video I watch these days. I can't get escape the Star Wars Doge
Anybody remember 9 BH that was a great year
I like how wavy has such a professional demeanor, and then says something like “slap the sh*t out of them.” It just brings it all back down to earth and a smile to my face.
Looking back, the attacks and criticisms of Anthony were so incredibly petty. "He's ruining memes!" Oh cry about it, eesh... "His videos are low effort!" Yeah, look at all the family vlog channels.
"His videos are low effort!"
okay, make some of your own
It’s ironic considering Anthony is twenty times more patronizing towards people than BTM was.
@Okayfire This, also Anthony’s a massive piece of human excrement who happily turned on the folks who got him to where he is now once they became a problem to the people he was surrounding himself with at that point in time. 😒
PewDiePie's vids were just him screaming in video games yet he got insanely successful...
I really like EmpLemon, but his take about "Keeping the sacred knowledge out of the hands of the nOrMIeS" in that video was ironically more cringe than BTM ever was.
The utter rage shown in EmpLemon's video was the most childish thing I've ever seen.
Eh. Passionate guy. Could have worded the video better but I understood the frustration of people who don't know anything about your interests diluting what you enjoyed about it.
Yea seriously, hearing a grown man whine about “meme culture being ruined” is almost as pathetic as faking a suicide for attention.
@@ghhn4505 True, but you gotta have perpesctive and hope you don't take it too seriously. Because then you come of as a jerk, and end up looking like you care way too much.
Never heard of the guy but hearing him claim that meme culture has been “delicately constructed for years” gave me quite the laugh.
I feel like your content is a high quality mix of "Behind the Memes" content and "Internet Historians" content. Also u are very bingable i literally found you a week ago and gave you like idk peobaply 12 hours of watchtime. If not more XD. Keep the good vids rollin out. Thank you for your contribution tobthis site.
He also feels like a less gross version of Whang
@@mr.whimsic6902 they are friends so it makes sense
@@mr.whimsic6902 Yeah, Whang more to posting illogical / nsfw content around the internet. While, Wavy more to sfw content
Maybe ill check this whang dude out later. I like this Internet History txpe of content
@@aressus6678 he's a convicted child molester
Kyle sounds like a modern day Prometheus. He wanted to make memes more accessible to "normies" by making simple videos that explained them. But this made the trolls mad because they wanted to keep memes for themselves and punished him for it.
Fire is different than stupid jokes on the Internet.
@@marishiten5944 "modern day"
@@marishiten5944Metaphors are a great tool in literature
I used to watch that guy in the background. As grating as his voice was, I didn't think he deserved all the hate he got like he's the Anti-Christ. Great video mate!
I feel bad for this guy
Hate him or not. Because of him, other meme explainer channel like LIMC can exist without being harmed. What a fricking legend
No.I dont think so limc was already starting
He’s the meme Jesus. He died for our sins.
@@deathahoy8971 bruh then yall are judas 😂
@@notjimpickens7928snitched on him for 3 doubloons
"Kyle is ruining memes by explaining it to normies"
Literally the most neckbeard shit Ive ever heard.
he's baaaaaaack. The BehindTheMeme channel has uploaded 8 videos since the "grandma video" - the most recent being 3 weeks ago called "Why is Florida Man a thing? A look at weird news stories and why the meme exists" (as of posting this)
I haven't yet watched all of the new videos, but from what i've seen, it appears as though he has returned to the "Behind The Meme" format, although with a more modern take (which is honestly much more watchable for me)
Imagine getting pissed off because someone explained jokes
true true
*wrongly explaining
@@1mclv you can always do your correct version of the video. Apparently is easy to make
@@vicentegeonix people think you can't criticize something unless you are an expert at doing said thing, which is a pretty dumb way to think. We are only allowed to like stuff and if we dislike it we are supposed to just shut up about it. Just look at what happened to the dislikes in youtube.
@@1mclv ayeah i am just saying i would love to see you do it better, i bet you can do it.
I find it crazy to see that everyone praises LIMC for literally doing the same thing but when BTM did it everyone wanted his head
i think its that internet culture arent as edgy and annoying nowadays and the different format in LIMC’s videos
Okay to be fair. Yes LIMC does the same thing, but I can tell from the format they use and how they present the stuff shows us that they are well educated and informative. Their videos are straight to the point, no filler, no jokes, and other stuff you often would find with BTM. They take very little to no time watching through and gives you a basic understanding of the memes whereas BTM (at least the latter videos) was just basic information from other websites mixed with his poor sense of humor. BTM really wasn't a good place to really learn memes.
But yes I also agree with pizzaman here that people aren't taking this whole meme-thing as seriously as they did back then and that the BTM hate overall was over hated (even though he really deserved some of the criticism)
LIMC gets rights to the point.
People will trust a British accent over a weird accent any day
These people used "normie" as an insult unironically and they have the nerve to make fun of him.
It was a different time
@@Eurobeat_fan it was like 3-4 years ago lmao and meme culture is still toxic especially since most memes come from reddit
@@Eurobeat_fan Nah, everyone I knew in school who used the word “normie ” were the biggest losers and hated by everyone. They were also 4chan users who spent their time harassing random people online.
@@Eurobeat_fan Brushing it under the rug as "a different time" looks a bit wonky, almost like you would let this slide
@@kaylons he was probably one of them lol
You know, Emplemon was probably sees himself with Behind The Meme
Getting hate for doing something you love and get accused for destroying the things you did is really similiar to him and his YT poop drama
oh the irony.
And that explains why he moved on to the documentary style content.
Imagine being a gatekeeper for memes. "Don't expose the normies to (meme that got tired in 2 weeks)".
What a sad life that must be.
It's a god damn 4chan pal
What did you expect?
The people you are bullying are likely adults now , I would have definitely been one of those people to bully behind the meme in fact I didn't really like the content when it came out but internet culture has changed since then and is definitely less toxic in an obvious brutish way
@@Pactastic042 Bullying adults is no less a bad thing that bullying children. The morality of the act doesn't change because of the age of the victim. It might surprise you to know that adults have feelings too.
@@troodon1096 ??? My comment was about how internet culture has changed I didn't even watch behind the meme lmao
@@Pactastic042 Intenet culture has not really changed, it was one stupid ass gatekeeper with a large influence that have to take things out of hand. It always happens and usually because of children or adults with no sense of morals
I always felt so bad for him. He doesn't seem like a bad guy, I hope he's doing well for himself.
Tbh, all he really did was explaining memes for people who were new, all the hate is what made him left, he has to stay down prob since he faked his death, when he gets caught, that’s when he REALLY gets hate.
I have no respect for the guys who used their larger platform to bully this guy off of youtube. And years later they still arent sorry for it. The guy handled it awfully, but goddam who wouldnt have?
And this is a man who is a complete stranger to drama. If this was Keemstar, H3H3 or even Leafy, you will expect that they won't go down a fight.
I lost my shit when he said "Everyone cover your buttholes"
Ikrrr it’s horrible
I didn't because I covered my butthole.
Because you should that thing looked ungodly
Love how everyone said his videos were "easy to make" yet no one else was out there making them. All talk, no action. Being a RUclipsr is easier said than done. Even simplistic videos like his would take a good chunk of time editing/recording for the average person. Most people wouldn't even be able to do it.
In college, I actually took a radio class, and it really opened my eyes to how many people are just not good at narration. Even in projects where we got weeks to record our own voice and edit it, most classmates just couldn't record good takes of them talking into the mic. Whether that is nerves, lack of confidence, forgetting lines, or whatever. This is even harder if you are recording something live (everyone thinks podcasts are easy for instance, but most would not be able to hold a flowing conversation for an hour that is compelling entertainment).
POINT BEING, it's easy to handwave the content he made. Yet no one out there was doing it, or making them in a way where RUclips's algorithm picked them up. His videos got views because clearly, people wanted to watch them. The 5,000 negative comments are not even close to the millions of views he was getting per video.
So it's pretty lame everyone bullied him. And while I get the idea of explaining a meme to boomer is "lame", who cares - the videos aren't for you.
Radio class sounds very cool
This comment. Right here. *YES.*
Exactly! I’ve tried to do the do they podcast and RUclips thing: it is HARD!! Most people can critique from behind a screen and even behind fake avatars. It’s one of the most disgusting things about social media/RUclips
"yet no one else was out there making them"
... Because they aren't worth doing? Are you kidding me, what kind of logic is that?
@@Bessux you get lost of money from it, Google ads
This man took "getting made fun of and deleting your account" to a whole new level
@Logan roof my sir, I can see in the bottom of my heart you get zero woman, zero woman on you pelvis
@@michaelcampos6451 NO BITCHES?
@@michaelcampos6451 what they say?
Imagine unironically using terms like "normies" and "meme culture". I miss when memes were so simple. The good old days of troll face and rage comics...
Memes are simple
I don't think "anyone else can make the video" is a valid criticism, in general. Are they capable if doing it? Totally. But do they? No. He did though. So he deserves the credit, even if it's a minimal effort style. Anyone can play Smoke on the Water, but only one person ever wrote it. Calling it low effort is valid though.
They do do it tho, and they do it better
Oh man I was there for this one, beginning to end. I never, ever understood what the fuck the problem was lol
I will grant Behind the Meme sometimes made research mistakes in his videos, and some people didn't care for his style. Those are valid criticisms. What's not a valid criticism is explaining a meme, especially when it's already dead. Honestly a channel like his has some value to people who aren't savvy to new memes which can be obscure in their meaning (the older I get the more this describes me lol.
I found the way he ended his channel really weird and disturbing honestly. But I sure didn't forget it, I'll give him that.
I used to watch this channel when it was popular. I didn't have any problem with it. At the time, for some reason I really wasn't familiar with the context of memes. Watching the channel at least made me understand where some of them came from. I still watch lessons in meme culture, even though I usually know of all the memes mentioned
It's incredible to me that people are still confused as to what they were complaining about, when everything they said came true, all of their predictions were accurate, and we are currently suffering the consequences of what they were warning against. This is like if people still didn't see the problem with excessive bank loans while living in the great depression
The reason people were off put by his video’s was because it was very optimistic during the edgy time of youtube
I was there as well. IIRC, there were literally no context of memes at the time. The only way you can find memes history is on KnowYourMeme. Other then that, that's it. Heck, i can't remember any youtubers that made memes history prior to BTM. Despite his weird editing, i still watch his videos because of context when no one made it yet.
So yeah his controversy is the most stupidest and unnecessary i ever seen.
I know Kyle personally, one of the nicest people I’ve ever met, and I met him after his fame, but before his fake death. He just wanted to spread positivity man
i like firer truskcs and moster trucs
@Oren Black he is talking before the suicide
@Oren Black I can understand that fake suicide is bad, but for the haters who condoned doxxing and harassment towards Kyle, are you rooting for them?
@@poweroffriendship2.0 Oren likely dislikes both. Beware of False Dichotomies.
@@llewelynshingler2173 Still, the haters are pretty much the one who started it.
"3 months after the Harambe incident for historical context" may be one of my favorite lines ever said in a RUclips video. I love how we've all accepted that Harambe was a pivotal point in history
oh thank goodness for the clarification wavy, i was wondering it was made made BHD or AHD
legit the fucking world turned upside down since Harambe's assasination
Yeah. Harambe is such a good gorilla but the fact that most people condoned harassment on the mother and child for killing him is just messed up. I can't imagine what that kid's life have gone done after the Harambe incident. They could just use extra security for the zoo just in case or use a tranquilizer to prevent that from happening.
Was trying to watch this in a playlist I made of all your videos I wanted to watch. And goofy ass youtube just keeps skipping this one. I click "I understand let me watch it" and shit goes to the next one over and over
Imagine being so chronically online that you harass and literally doxx someone over memes. Stop it. Get some help.
@super radical To be fair, they _were_ right.
Behind the Meme is overrated, but he didn't need all the hate he deserved. He was just a guy who made meme defining videos for fun, not to be criticized by literally every YTP creator.
Gross?
Nah it's just overrated
LIMC is worse
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 Tell us how since you know so well.
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 why
Overrated by who the dude just existed on RUclips with an already big pool of viewers I'm p sure no one would call him their favorite youtuber but at the same time, he wasn't awful
I personally believe EmpLemon is responsible, he has millions of followers and talking about someone in such a HATEFUL way will lead to someone doing something.
It's like hearing someone being dumb in a large crowd and saying "Someone needs to do something about it". Someone will do something and technically it's your fault.
Was his videos repetitive, yes. But meme culture has GROWN into a behemoth, there are videos and channels mainly posting new memes that supposedly "died".
Hell there is LIMC who is basically BTM but Australian. I personally believe that the attacks taken on BTM are elitist and does show how the Internet tries to act better than IRL but we aren't.
So Emps is responsible for something that started between Anthony and BTM, both of which were larger than him at the time...
LIMC is Australian
@@aredjayc2858 he didn't have to make a video that volatile. Again it's like someone suggesting something is done in a crowd of rowdy people. Most might not do anything but with his sub size even then it was wrong of him to basically say "BTM MUST BE STOPPED! HE MAKES MY MEMES GO STALE WAHH!"
I was one of those people who started to hate on BTM because at that time I thought "normies" were bad and should stay away from my vidja and meemees.
But I always regret it because it was ironically just as elitist as we give "mainstream media".
@@aredjayc2858 The hate was definitely already there, but Emplemon certainly escalated it by, ironically, bringing it up to more people much like BTM brought memes to a more vast public. The view gap between his video on BTM and other videos of his made around that time should tell you something.
@@succubastard1019 Anthony had more subs so...
I'd say meme culture isn't what it used to be. We'd have a handful of good memes that weren't overused and they lasted years and years. Now-a-days, memes come and go like rapid fire. Some stick around way longer than others.
Was this BTM's fault? No, I don't think so. I'd say that's the natural cause of the internet becoming more mainstream and more generations growing up with it. Kind of an inevitability. Dude didn't deserve to get bullied or doxxed. Even if his voice was kind of annoying. I'll agree with that...in the nicest way possible.
Meme culture now is a hit or defiantly a miss to me. The days or rick roll, Numa Numa, all your base those days are truly done... hell even dank memes took a hit due to people sensitivity its just the way we are now.
@@loomingdeath1758dank memes aren’t even funny once you realize it’s just ear rape
@@shimmershine6902 well not to you XD cause you fell for it. This comes off as a personal problem
@@loomingdeath1758 Fell for… what? Memes are meant to be viewed. I think you’re mixing it up with jumpscare videos.
@@shimmershine6902 I think you dont know get around memes. But thanks for assuming XD i see you must be new to memes. recommend getting out more.
All of the hate that went towards him was not deserved, I never understood how he was "ruining meme culture" by explaining memes.
I still can't believe human beings are capable of being so toxic over something as petty as internet jokes.
Honestly the concept was not bad. People are doing it now. It's weird how people can understand when there's a problem but can't figure out what the problem is.
The issue is that he was eventually taking niche memes and exposing them to a massive audience that had nothing to do with them.
Imagine if someone took an inside joke that only you and your friends understood and used it on SNL, the first time it's aggravating but hey, doesn't really matter right? Now imagine the same guy did the exact same thing 20 more times in a row, ruining every good joke your friends had in the process.
"Ruining meme culture" is an oversimplified description of what happened, these were small online communities enjoying they're own localized bit of community culture, only for said culture to be exposed to and then used by thousands of people who had nothing to do with them, it's not an experience you can really describe but if you've gone through it then you know just how enraging it is.
@@Cri_Jackal I would honestly love an actual example you have of a random person explaining a joke to random people for them to understand ruined the joke for you.
@@Cri_Jackal There's a difference behind inside joke and worldwide meme. You can't really localize memes, but you can always spread them more.
@@ruler_of_everything There are thousands of memes that are only known to a few thousand or few hundred people, you can absolutely localize them, inside jokes and memes are the exact same thing, distinguishing between them based on scale is arbitrary.
Memes are constructed around the community meant to see them, if that community is small then the meme remains relatively unknown, if they never spread then you never even know they exist in the first place, you're exemplifying confirmation bias.
Examples of memes that no one would recognize unless they are part of a specific community: "What pumpkin?" "Kloon 2 Loon's Voon" "CHEESE GRATOR" "Okay I believe you!" "SPEEN" "Snow Halation"
And that's just from the online communities I happen to be familiar with, there are hundreds of thousands of memes that you and I will never even know exist, yet have probably lasted years, and they've lasted that long because they were never spread outside the community that spawned them.
You can't base your understanding of something purely on the part you are able to observe.
Wow, meme culture is full of wildly over sensitive gate keepers. I’m not into memes, but at the end of the day they’re jokes. You don’t get to decide who gets to tell or hear them. If you apply this same logic to anything else it quickly becomes abundantly clear how flawed it is. If you’re seriously getting your panties in a bunch over some kid making RUclips videos about memes, you should probably take a step back and examine your life (or lack thereof). Anyway, keep up the great
Work wavy!
Yeah people are weirdos on the internet . I guess it’s the anonymity
Memes were good before they were called memes. And they were okay for a while after. But at this point, what memes have evolved into is pretty fucking cringe.
@@nathanwhiting5475 Nope, memes have always been shit, period. They were never "better". When they started they were unfunny and try-hard, and even now they're much the same. Only difference is how in-your-face they are now.
thank you - i struggled so much trying to put into word how sad someone's life is if they think they need to "protect memes" when there's so many better things to use energy on. that said not a fan of the "revenge" vid since that hurts everyone not just the trolls. to add anyone saying he is annoying... why on earth click the vid!!!
@@sarkaztik3228 I'm not sure what you mean by try hard in this context. But regardless, I dont agree.
Not gonna lie, I'm 100% team BTM on this. Everyone just made fun of this guy for being a normal person. Cringey gatekeeping channels that piled onto a person that was just making harmless content. Not gonna lie, this drama back in the day made me stop following Fantano and it soured a lot of meme culture for me for a long time. You're not cool for making fun of people who enjoy things.
I think fantano was a bit funny but I found emplemon video way worse
@@doctorcrazy8500 Unpopular opinion, but BTM's response video was better than Fantano's attack video
Emporoer lemon see himself as the custodian of meme culture as a godame internet king personally I think he is pure unadulterated cringe I did find him funny at one point when I 12 but now I just feel sad for him
I don't follow memes that much, but this guy taught me what different memes mean, cos the internet culture is unavoidable. Kinda a shame that BTM got flack, but no one should fake their own death. Also, his outro guy "Like and Sub" was so funny. I found out his name was Big Man Tyrone, a voice actor
@@channel45853 100% agree he didn’t sound buthurt at all to me. Just defending himself and even being the bigger person in some bits talking about how there was space for everybody on RUclips
Not one of the people involved in this drama back then ever touched grass in their lives
Exactly, some people substitute memes for having a personality
Behind the memes helped me bridge a gap of memes of the past. I didn't like his videos and usually got what I needed to know and ditched out early. But they served a purpose and I've enjoyed memes more fully since.
Same, it was painful to watch this unfold back in the day
2016 was essentially the 2020 of the internet, and Kyle got the brunt of it. He definitely was extreme in how he handled things, though in all fairness, it doesn't feel that different from how the people who gave him shit acted.
I'll be honest, the shitshow that was the internet in 2016 holds a special place in my heart. It was the final supernova of the edgier side of the internet before the adpocalypse neutered edgy content on RUclips.
@@gabingston3430 Meme culture was at it's highest in 2016. I remember being a 5th/6th grader in that time period and it was when I sorta discovered what the internet was all about. It was truly a golden age, albeit somewhat rusty
@Fries I meant in the sense that like how 2020 was an infamously horrible year for everyone, 2016 was perhaps the most horrible year for the internet. In hindsight, yeah, it seems like a weird comparison.
@@gabingston3430 Yeah. The 2016 seems like an awful year because of bad things happening, but the "You posted in the wrong neighborhood" video is one big miracle.
Never a bad video from you, ever. Thank you Wavy. You're the best internet historian, love your you keep it simple and don't go into pointless details for hours at a time.
this guy unfortunately started RUclips at the tail end of the offense-edgy internet train and got a taste of what that entailed.
if he made his channel now, nothing would be wrong with it, people would probably love it
I don't even wanna go back to that era
@@Wrenchy247 good because you don't belong there normie
Lessons in meme culture.
If Lessons in Meme Culture existed back then he would get the same amount of hate as behind the meme.
@@piranhalettuce debatable
I've always felt that EmpLemon's video went too far.
Behind the meme introduces meme to make meme disappear? Who cares? When one meme is out of date, the next one will naturally appear. And if something disappears just because a person explains it once, it doesn't deserve to exist in the first place.
And EmpLemon's value of "popularity" completely puzzles me. All popular things are bad, and all unpopular things are good? In a way I can understand, like in any circle you have to do your homework in order to dig for treasure, but EmpLemon speaks as if the values are absolute. Come on, is a piece of paper that was graffitied by a kindergartener and forgot to throw away, more artistic than Monro Lisa? And his definition of popular is also very strange. Why are video games and anime, which are generally nerd culture categories, on the "popular" side in your eyes?
Stop talking about channel who reading know your meme like an antichrist.
Thats his only bad video right or are all of his videos as bad as that one?
@@doctorcrazy8500 I've seen some, all of them are pretty bad.
@@doctorcrazy8500 His videos are pretty good, at least the ones I've seen in the last couple years
I’d like to imagine someone going “ugh I can’t believe this simpleton is teaching these normies memes, I need to calm down maybe I’ll hug my hatsune miku body pillow”
😂
dude how are your vids so bingable, been using them to distract myself whilst going clean, thank man
"...a mere three months after the Harambe incident, for historical context."
This is a sentence straight out of a history book I hope to read one day - it really feels like it will be seen as a pivotal point for so much
Seems to me like he handled the topic quite well. People talk about mental health all the time, but no one actually gives a shit. But in that moment where they were presented it in a totally raw and real context, they did.
But I disagree though, to me it came off as him trying to get attention and make people feel bad on hating him for him by pretending to off himself. It’s a higher quality version of a guy on a forum who gets into an argument, then comes back a couple days later saying “I’m so and so’s mom, I’m coming here to tell you he committed su*cide.” Faking your death is not a good way to bring awareness to a situation, it just brings attention to you
@@ryanmella9615 Still, that doesn't really justified about the cyberbullying that Kyle got. Attention seeking or not, he's just on to something.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 I agree but it doesn’t make what he did right
You are totally right. It got their attention.
And it's not really possible to do that with those type of people while being genuine.
The fact that he was DOXXED and was driven into almost committing suicide because he talked about internet memes is actually insane. Like if you are this serious about "Normies ruining memes" homeboy TOUCH SOME GRASS HOLY SHIT. You are free to criticize his videos but goddamn man yall need to chill.
Ngl, usually skip the sponsor ad, but I was doing dishes so I listened this time.... Hearing Wavy say "I'm looking like a stud" is all I needed apparently to make my day better 😂❤