I think a great addition to the app would be the ability to filter by role as well as champ. For example, I was looking for Briar games, but all of them were top or mid, and I had to scroll through them to find the jg ones (that were from last patch, so old item system, not that the app can fix that. If nobody plays Briar jg on stream, then obviously I won't find anything lol), but it would have been much easier if I could select the champ and the role too
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Nathan mentioned how having a process curbs tilt because it forces you to move forward after a rough block. In a similar way, I find that starting my process and reviewing every day has allowed me to stay present in my games. If a bad play happens it allows me to know I’ll be able to look back on it later and entirely focus on what’s next.
Completely shocked to hear that Curtis had such a massive fixed mindset... listening to him now it's hard to believe he wasn't always this way. Perfect example that growth mindsets can be developed - super inspiring stuff.
The "use your emotions as a guide" was the entire basis of my own process when i self coached myself to GM top 50 in HotS and coached other players myself, highly recommend
I was a hardstuck gold player but finished masters in hots for 7 seasons in a row while playing ~300 games in 3 years. Just brute forced with my gold elo mechanics.
Would love to hear you guys do a deep dive on Grubby’s journey to learning league. If you didn’t already know he’s a former WC3 pro who has picked up MOBAs such as DOTA and HOTS and is currently learning league. It’s been so fascinating seeing his approach and enthusiasm to learning a new game that I already am obsessed with.
Hi Coach Curtis & Natan, I just want to say THANK YOU because this split I finally managed to reach PLATINUM for my first time (in 2 years). My mental attitude totally changed with your podcasts (and some guides from Coach Curtis). I play mid, I stuck with my favorite champ Veigar and managed to climb... Boy it was hard, I got inted very bad in a few games in a row of games and went back to Gold2 3 times before finally climb out of Gold!
Having started to take League more seriously the last couple of months, I haven't watched something that has been so informative but also encouraging as this video. Thank you so much for not just posting "1v9 item build/champ pool/climb out of bronze!!", but actually discussing things (as you say the not sexy things) that help people play better and ENJOY the game more. I've been going up and down Bronze 4 for what seems like ages, never quite getting the LP to promote, but you made me realise that that's secondary to actually getting good at the game. I'm OTP'ing Fiora because I love the champ and find it incredibly fun and challenging, and I'm still learning the match-ups and the mechanics better. I'm happy when I win my lane and if I lose it I watch the replay to find out why, and its usually because I didn't respect the enemy champ, or missed crucial timings, or messed up the cheater wave. I'd rather climb out of Bronze when I'm ready and deserving of it than because I brute-forced a bunch of wins on a cheesy champ.
Not going to say BBC is bad at all because it isn’t but the actual coaching is for mid/jg. You should watch some Alois also for input on top lane. He actually has a bronze-masters fiora climb video filled with educational commentary while he plays. Why he’s doing what things and when. It could really help your fiora game play and fundementals a lot. Especially if you’re stuck in bronze 4 there’s probably a lot that you’re missing
I feel like you bring this up a lot, but genuine multi tasking is something that is so hard! A lot of people can play a song on guitar OR sing along to the song, but doing both is harder, and playing something actually complicated while singing is even more so, if its a difficult melody or something like that it can get even more challenging. A lot of being able to do that is through practicing so much that you are able to play the guitar part/ sing the vocal melody with little to no thought so you can almost entirely focus on the other part. I think this ties in so much to the mental stack concept. Love the pod, cheers!
Excited to watch this through! From a quick look at the chapter names for the video, it doesn't look like there's any discussion on the state of the game currently, considering it's the start of the season, itemization and champion balance is all up in the air (there was also no pre-season, so ranked play will be more volatile). How would you guys advise approaching this from a BBC perspective? Pick the champions you enjoy, even if they're below 50% winrate based off the statistics? Would you recommend waiting for a couple patches following the changes? (my own champion pool is Orianna, Syndra and Naafiri currently, all dropped below 50% so far this season). UPDATE: Looks like it is mentioned in the video, 11 mins in. My bad!
@@aroulos Right now, champions like Fizz, Katarina and Zoe are completely busted. Syndra and Orianna fell off with the new items. They lost their best build (Liandries -> Cosmic Drive) and they struggle against ap assassins who are completely busted due to being able to abuse stormsurge much better. We will see if the micropatch 14.1b will fix this with the stormsurge nerfs. But I still think that they will be very weak. Orianna has a 48% winrate and Syndra has a 48.7% winrate - both are D-Tier.
@@tatamigalaxy-i5r the problem with Kat here is that you need to be good at her to be actually useful. But with Ori you need just 1 possibly dead braincell to roll the ball and be impactful.
@@inLogiex Sure, Orianna is a bit easier to pick up because she isn't as unique as Kait. However, that champion is still not good in the current meta and gets shit on by any decent ap assassin player.
I'm taking the clip of Curtis saying "Meta basically doesn't matter until Masters" and sharing it every time I see someone ask "Guys, what's the strongest champ in *insert role here* I can play?", because that's literally the same response I always give, but I'm a D4 pleb. Now I have challenger proof that I'm right in this
Banger! But as someone that's used your process here and there my biggest issue I face when using the process is that I play too little games a day. I have SOOO much free time and LoL fills a great deal of that free time. If I were to only play 3 games a day my day would be empty, I know it works but for an online student like me that has legit 10+ hours of free time per day it feels so illogical to play only 3 games a day. That said I will give this a try, I liked the 2 week milestone advice Curtis mentioned. However, I am pretty certain I will play my 3 block and then as soon as I've got nothing to do maybe spam 3-5 normal games as well. What would you guys recommend?
Yeah I come from playing Rust 12-18hrs a day and just got back into league and I feel the same way when I hear 3 games a day only. wtf am i gonna do with my free time, not everyone has a 9-5 and works and is busy after work
one of the statements really resonated with me and that is when I feel mentally taxed after 2-3 games win or lose. Many of my friends (and I used to) think that this is probably because the game is getting worse and worse every season and that my favorite champs are changed (ex Ryze main) or nerfed in ways that are no longer fun, but this is just not the case (I really enjoy playing Lucian for example and recently added him to my pool, and I still like playing the game otherwise I wouldn't play it). I realized now that it's probably because I climbed higher than I was back in the day and play ranked with much more intensity than I used to because of it, so it's natural for me to feel tapped out. Cool perspective.
That’s kind of what I do as support in bronze. I primarily play Nani, and then I’ll have a few days where either Zyra or Saraka is it my secondary. And then every so often I’ll just throw in a different character for whatever reason… but that “other” is still within a pool of like 5, unless I’m playing draft of course. I was able to get to silver my first season doing that! I’d probably be plat if I could’ve continued to put in the same time and effort these last 5 years as I did my first year.
For me, I can keep going after 3 games of full intensity because of my ADHD allowing me to hyperfocus with little exhaustion. One one hand, this has allowed me to drastically climb to Master within 2 seasons of League. Now, what stops me to properly perform is tilt. I get very emotional when I do things wrong and I start blaming teammates, overlooking my mistakes. So, I stop because I stop learning and thinking of what I could've done better.
The problem with no pre season, is that I have no idea what champions I like playing and suit my playstyle in the new meta. So I have to experiment early on until I find 3-5 I really like
This split I am OTP quinn in solo que but for fun variety and off meta picks in flex queue. This way I can manage my urge to play something unfamiliar and not mastered in solo q.
Most difficult doesn't mean most competitive - if anything, the added arbitrary difficulty in League can actually degrade competitive integrity. There are some things that cannot be avoided, such as dealing with other people who may not be up to par, the fact that climbing and improving aren't necessarily about the individual games while we live in a world that is used to instant dopamine, and whatever else. But Riot can improve upon things and they intentionally slowed climbing down, didn't they? These are things that add to the difficulty, yes, but also they degrade the competitive integrity of the game. To be clear, I think you guys are correct in your assessments and the mindset and positivity you try to put forward and try to influence others with and I commend you for it, but I think you shouldn't be afraid to call out Riot's bullshit as well. League is meant to be immensely popular and yet we can't have role-based MMR matchmaking (as in, each lane is vs someone of a similar MMR, instead of having higher role-opponent skill discrepancies) and that you can legitimately play 200 games at a 60% winrate, not really find games of your level/genuinely harder opponents and thus never come across an actual good solo learning environment - not saying you cannot improve in those 200 games, but you won't be in an environment where you can learn at your best and from players that know better and it's because Riot slowed the ranking down. And then they don't have any real social side to their game, which hurts it. If you think of old games and what made them all successful, one of the pillars is how accessible being social was - this is something that would greatly benefit new players too, because you'd have new and experienced players playing together. Would you say that Starcraft 1 and Warcraft 3 are less competitive because they had this last thing? No one would, if anything, people tend to tout those games as more competitive and harder because they require a similar level of thought with more micro ability. Difficulty doesn't equate to being more competitive. League is brutal mentally, but it doesn't need to be so bad and it really wouldn't hurt the competitive integrity or aspect whatsoever to loosen it up if done right and could even add to it (especially with social accessibility because then you would find people to 1v1 practice with, inhouse games, etc)
tbh i do think there is value in reviewing longer espc once you know what you're looking for. as a support main there were so many times in lane i could have engaged and didnt even see the opportunity live. so if you were just quick reviewing you would miss a lot of stuff like that. in solo lanes it applies more to trade patterns / ability usage but still applies.
I been following the 3 block process for a while i’ll play more games if my friend hops on or if i’m really feeling it. sometimes the friend energy buff + coffee is enough to win 8 in a row. by then i’m Burnt out tho. even cocaine couldn’t bring me back
41:23 that's exactly what i do, in real time. especially if i'm immediately initially upset about my death; i see my mistake as it happens [i'm usually saying something aloud like, "damn, i missed my charm", ect] i pause at a death, replay the instance in my head & usually tell myself, "i shouldn't of done that in the first place, i knew it was a bad idea &/if i had actually landed this/executed xyz, this fight would've turned out differently or i wouldn't of been in it to begin with". & then i keep it in mind & try not to repeat the behavior if the instance reoccurs. i've never actually used the VOD for anything but funny clips earlier in my league years, when i didn't take the game nearly as seriously. 58:00 ehh ? i went 1-3 in my 3 block today & both losses were because both my junglers' ignored pings & fed their butts off. i will say, as a true support main, playing mid lane to climb hasn't diminished my ability to assess the map, ping when my laner is missing, roam if possible to match, ping where i see the enemy jungler, ward the side of the map they're last seen on, ect. i'll even get to a point where if they're ignoring a judgment call i'll spam it & hope they realize, "probably shouldn't be there/do that; no vision over here/you're waling in blind", ect. for me, it's really just overcoming -- this is elo hell, my pings or roaming when capable aren't the problem, i'm playing with people who genuinely don't know what they're doing--so i shouldn't be upset at them. like yea, that's the logic, doesn't make it less irritating, but i am able to rationalize it in the moment. [because im not a typer, my chats always off]
Sometimes shit happens that's out of your control. A recent example for me is I was filled into the adc role, my support DC'd during a level 1 fight and we lost that trade (obviously). He came back and engaged as a level 1 against two level 3 champions, we both ended up dying. I could say there's nothing I could have done, but I should have recognized that him going in at level 1 was never going to work and just backed off. I realized that during the play which tilted me and the game spiralled out of control from there. So, I should be more careful in what engages I follow up on when we know it's a bad idea and I should not let something like that tilt me so I can focus on not letting the lane fully collapse. Other than that I had not much to learn, but at least it's something
Hi boys, amazing podcast. I just picked up league and already I noticed I’m falling into a familiar pattern. When I learn games (chess, hearthstone) I tend to look for a solid strategy that will win me games early on but doesn’t take much difficulty. This strategy got me top 30 legend in hearthstone and a solid 2200 rating on lichess, but it doesn’t have any room for growth. Then when I get to a high elo I feel lost because my simple game play strats have no flexibility. I’m wondering how I can avoid this as I’m learning league. Are there any steps I can take now as I improve to make sure I stay open minded and not get stuck in a rut with one champion and then lose motivation when I hit a plateau? An example might be learning some simple openings in chess and learning a few opening traps that carry me up to a higher elo, but actually don’t develop a deeper understanding of the fundamentals. I feel I just play cheap tricks for wins.
There is one thing I dont get, if you have a champ pool, how do you prevent being much worse on your secondary pick if you only play it when your main is banned or taken?
That's what I'd like to know as well. I currently have a slightly negative win rate but I noticed that I'm winning most of my Ahri games, about 50% of my Veigar games, but when I get my secondary role I lose most of my games. I think I'd have a positive win rate if it was just my main role
18:30 Literally feels like I went to war and back after 3 games lol, like my eyes a literally heavy and my body is exhausted after 3 really good games win or lose it's crazy
@BrokenByConcept you can you expect someone to only play 2 champions max during their climb when you have to queue secondary roles and have to deal with the occasional autofill? 4-5 champions max is more realistic imo.
Nvidia graphics cards have shadowplay. You can configure your own hotkeys for starting and stopping a recording and it has minimal performance impact. If you don't have that, OBS is an option. It's not that complicated and if you're struggling, there are plenty of tutorials online. The easiest to use are probably overwolf apps like outplayed and lowkey that can be configured to record your games automatically, or even just the highlights or your deaths or something. They have more impact on performance, but you don't have to remember pressing buttons to start/stop recording.
i played for 2-4 weeks hard and got from silver to plat with 100% pickrate on nilah adc. But now after taking a couple days without grinding so hard, my view on the game feels so warped that it feels like a fever dream. Improving is 10 harder all of a sudden and i dont understand how to practice or what to practice, or if im even right about things that seem to make logical sense. Im not even sure am i using the things i learned in my games or not, or even remember them or not.
this ties into what they talk about, elo range. I assume that you’ve never been gold let alone plat, which is quite a difference win pacing and a bunch of things. You might right now be in a higher elo than your current skill level hence the struggles.
3 block for a new player once per week is 156 games that year! 3 times per week is 468 games. If you can commit to daily!! ~1052. Imagine sticking to 1 or 2 champions for a whole year with this approach. Just like the gym, gotta put in the reps and gotta start with the basics and you will see progress.
Thoughts on using the Stats page to track personal performance? Might be a useful tool for quickly identifying areas where you're succeeding and failing. But I have no idea if it's useful at all, I've never seen a different player's stats page. It might be completely useless, but I haven't seen anyone discuss it as a whole, Ive only seen one person even reference it.
Been quitting league for 2 months and was master 100 lp at that point. Focusing on programming, math and physics, but it really doesn't give me the same competitive feeling of league. Idk if I should start again. What does the BBC:ers think?
The only thing I would never agree with you, is to limit the pool to 1 or 2 champion.... To me their is no rule, play what you are comfortable with ! Honestly, I played a lot, less in ranked, but lot in all other mods.... and so looooot of diferent kind of champ. And I know if I can pick X or Y in ranked simply by my comfort playing it. But if you asked my pool, I can tell you at least 10 champ each pos (except top), depend circumstances. Ofc, if I didn't play a champ from a too long time, I do couple normal games with it before pick it in ranked... But otherwise, it seems not a major problem an extend pool till you can assure honestly you are comfortable using your champ :). I mean, for beginners I understand 200%, don't first pick champs in ranked you never played at least 10 times before in the last couple years ;).
...I feel like some league players would benefit more from being forced to learn how to play fighting games and then applying those lessons back to league than actually playing the game. a distinct difference in approach/perspective might be helpful for understanding what these lessons really mean
I got a tip for how to climb. Don't refuse to change. Had game where someone was still trying ad leblanc with fleet and shiv. Had another who was doing a s13 lifesteal build on Nilah. Seen multiple tank supports who chose to build the ex-mythic tank items (heartsteal and jak'sho).
yes the whole thing is to play with Max intensity. if you want to play 6 games in a row in norms it's fine because you don't care about the result. they're just saying the result in game will be negatively affected if youre tired or burnt out, therefore will affect your climb if in ranked
I think there can be value in reviewing teammate mistakes: (1) You can become better by understanding a mistake someone else made; (2) You can get a broader view of the game and why things went wrong. Example: I played a game today as top lane. My Zac ganked bot level 3, enemy Samira got a triple kill, snowballed to 11-1, it was a 15 minute ff. I didn't see how the gank went wrong so I went back and watched it. My bot lane took really bad trades at level 1/2, missed some skillshots, and the real issue was that my jungle then forced a gank where my bot lane was 20% HP and enemy bot lane was 90%. For me, this did two things. It emphasized that when I play jungle, I need to be mindful of the HP bars when I gank a lane. It also gave me closure because now I knew exactly why things went so poorly and I could easily move on to the next game.
2022 I did my placements and landed in Bronze II. 2023 I didn't play much. Only customs with friends. 2024 comes around and I decide to climb again and ended up in Iron I DONT TAKE PROLONGED BREAKS
I hard disagree with the meta/matchup not mattering mindset. If you're a GM player obviously meta doesnt affect you much until Masters, but if you're an emerald player it does matter if yo want to climb to diamond. You can always get close to your true skill level with off meta picks, this applies in bronze and also in masters. Don't encourage people to pick amumu mid in their own elo
Im more of a shooter player and in almost every single comp game I hit the top or right there. But in league years couldnt get past plat, once diamond. So if it comes to the amount of input in your brain and variables, of all the games out there, it is most definitely the hardest competitive games. Even a high level dota player admitted it and starcraft is also up there but league is like university, then bachelor and doctorate. The amount of info in this game is like 10x more than most games.
I can’t fathom the idea of playing 3 games and then calling it quits. I easily fill out my 20 game match history within a day or two. My breaks consist of drawing Jinx nude on my iPad while in queue 😉 or doing something for a few hours with my wife. If I’m at my pc and playing games, it’s always ranked league
This game's main community is genuinely disgustingly toxic. The higher you climb the worse it gets, maybe it's more chill in high gm/challenger, idk. I'm not talking about flaming because you have a competitive spirit, I'm talking about people who genuinely want to make you mad. The delusion gets so bad near/around master. It used to be tolerable, a couple toxic trolls every few games, sure just mute. But now, every game has at least 1-2, just completely delusional people. What's the point of playing an online game if I have to mute all? Unplayable unless you can have fun on your main champ.
Depends how much time you're willing to devote. I think with 9hrs work and league as your only hobby you can easily get 2hrs of playtime in per day. That's enough to improve consistently imo.
@nawafalmatruk297 i was plat last season so my advice is maybe not optimal for you. Still I think consistency and a focus on learning from mistakes > time played per day. Also as you were talking about 'good' rank I thought you were a silver trying to climb to gold, not a diamond player who is already in the top percentiles lol
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I think a great addition to the app would be the ability to filter by role as well as champ. For example, I was looking for Briar games, but all of them were top or mid, and I had to scroll through them to find the jg ones (that were from last patch, so old item system, not that the app can fix that. If nobody plays Briar jg on stream, then obviously I won't find anything lol), but it would have been much easier if I could select the champ and the role too
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I was wondering if there any plans to create a web version. The app looks awesome but im on mac so I can't use it :(
I’m not gunna lie, I rolled my eyes when you started the sponsorship plug, but it actually excited me so much because of how useful and how much value this product gives. Thank you for sharing this, and I’m extremely happy that you found a sponsor that won’t tarnish the image of your brand. Well done.
They've been doing this. Very good sponsorship management. Hope they're getting well paid for them too.
Even if its for raid shadow legends, these guys need to make their money. I usually smash the fast foward button but they gotta earn a living
why did i read as if kiseke uhara was talking in his monotome language lol ?
Nathan mentioned how having a process curbs tilt because it forces you to move forward after a rough block. In a similar way, I find that starting my process and reviewing every day has allowed me to stay present in my games. If a bad play happens it allows me to know I’ll be able to look back on it later and entirely focus on what’s next.
Completely shocked to hear that Curtis had such a massive fixed mindset... listening to him now it's hard to believe he wasn't always this way. Perfect example that growth mindsets can be developed - super inspiring stuff.
The "use your emotions as a guide" was the entire basis of my own process when i self coached myself to GM top 50 in HotS and coached other players myself, highly recommend
I was a hardstuck gold player but finished masters in hots for 7 seasons in a row while playing ~300 games in 3 years. Just brute forced with my gold elo mechanics.
Aren’t there like 100 players in hots xD
Would love to hear you guys do a deep dive on Grubby’s journey to learning league. If you didn’t already know he’s a former WC3 pro who has picked up MOBAs such as DOTA and HOTS and is currently learning league. It’s been so fascinating seeing his approach and enthusiasm to learning a new game that I already am obsessed with.
I love the fervor that Nathan exclaims, "Motivational!" with in every opening
Hi Coach Curtis & Natan, I just want to say THANK YOU because this split I finally managed to reach PLATINUM for my first time (in 2 years). My mental attitude totally changed with your podcasts (and some guides from Coach Curtis). I play mid, I stuck with my favorite champ Veigar and managed to climb... Boy it was hard, I got inted very bad in a few games in a row of games and went back to Gold2 3 times before finally climb out of Gold!
Awesome to hear, Tony. Thanks for sharing and keep on improving! - Nathan
Having started to take League more seriously the last couple of months, I haven't watched something that has been so informative but also encouraging as this video. Thank you so much for not just posting "1v9 item build/champ pool/climb out of bronze!!", but actually discussing things (as you say the not sexy things) that help people play better and ENJOY the game more. I've been going up and down Bronze 4 for what seems like ages, never quite getting the LP to promote, but you made me realise that that's secondary to actually getting good at the game. I'm OTP'ing Fiora because I love the champ and find it incredibly fun and challenging, and I'm still learning the match-ups and the mechanics better. I'm happy when I win my lane and if I lose it I watch the replay to find out why, and its usually because I didn't respect the enemy champ, or missed crucial timings, or messed up the cheater wave. I'd rather climb out of Bronze when I'm ready and deserving of it than because I brute-forced a bunch of wins on a cheesy champ.
Not going to say BBC is bad at all because it isn’t but the actual coaching is for mid/jg. You should watch some Alois also for input on top lane. He actually has a bronze-masters fiora climb video filled with educational commentary while he plays. Why he’s doing what things and when. It could really help your fiora game play and fundementals a lot. Especially if you’re stuck in bronze 4 there’s probably a lot that you’re missing
@@benjaminghazi787 i am iron 3 and i am better than all of you :)
I feel like you bring this up a lot, but genuine multi tasking is something that is so hard! A lot of people can play a song on guitar OR sing along to the song, but doing both is harder, and playing something actually complicated while singing is even more so, if its a difficult melody or something like that it can get even more challenging.
A lot of being able to do that is through practicing so much that you are able to play the guitar part/ sing the vocal melody with little to no thought so you can almost entirely focus on the other part. I think this ties in so much to the mental stack concept.
Love the pod, cheers!
Excited to watch this through! From a quick look at the chapter names for the video, it doesn't look like there's any discussion on the state of the game currently, considering it's the start of the season, itemization and champion balance is all up in the air (there was also no pre-season, so ranked play will be more volatile). How would you guys advise approaching this from a BBC perspective? Pick the champions you enjoy, even if they're below 50% winrate based off the statistics? Would you recommend waiting for a couple patches following the changes? (my own champion pool is Orianna, Syndra and Naafiri currently, all dropped below 50% so far this season). UPDATE: Looks like it is mentioned in the video, 11 mins in. My bad!
orianna and syndra are giga busted rn
@@aroulos Right now, champions like Fizz, Katarina and Zoe are completely busted. Syndra and Orianna fell off with the new items. They lost their best build (Liandries -> Cosmic Drive) and they struggle against ap assassins who are completely busted due to being able to abuse stormsurge much better. We will see if the micropatch 14.1b will fix this with the stormsurge nerfs. But I still think that they will be very weak.
Orianna has a 48% winrate and Syndra has a 48.7% winrate - both are D-Tier.
@@tatamigalaxy-i5r the problem with Kat here is that you need to be good at her to be actually useful.
But with Ori you need just 1 possibly dead braincell to roll the ball and be impactful.
@@inLogiex Sure, Orianna is a bit easier to pick up because she isn't as unique as Kait.
However, that champion is still not good in the current meta and gets shit on by any decent ap assassin player.
how about you guys watch the video unless you guys are master this is entirely irrelevant
I'm taking the clip of Curtis saying "Meta basically doesn't matter until Masters" and sharing it every time I see someone ask "Guys, what's the strongest champ in *insert role here* I can play?", because that's literally the same response I always give, but I'm a D4 pleb. Now I have challenger proof that I'm right in this
The car analogy vis a vis champ mastery made me laugh Curtis. 'become one with the car!!!' lol.
goddam ur avatar
Love the Monday uploads to start a good week of work and climbing.
Banger! But as someone that's used your process here and there my biggest issue I face when using the process is that I play too little games a day. I have SOOO much free time and LoL fills a great deal of that free time. If I were to only play 3 games a day my day would be empty, I know it works but for an online student like me that has legit 10+ hours of free time per day it feels so illogical to play only 3 games a day. That said I will give this a try, I liked the 2 week milestone advice Curtis mentioned. However, I am pretty certain I will play my 3 block and then as soon as I've got nothing to do maybe spam 3-5 normal games as well.
What would you guys recommend?
I resonate with this bro
Yeah I come from playing Rust 12-18hrs a day and just got back into league and I feel the same way when I hear 3 games a day only. wtf am i gonna do with my free time, not everyone has a 9-5 and works and is busy after work
try doing the 3 block, take a small break (food, youtube, etc) for 30 min, vod review your games, and then start the next 3 block and so on
Go to gym it's gonna skyrocket your lp
@@Saowli That's still only like 1.5hrs of the day he says he has 10+ hours of free time
Happy new season and year everyone! I feel so confident that anyone who watches this has an edge on the competition.
Thanks for mentioning Irelking that guy is crazy good and has helped a lot of irelia mains like myself
one of the statements really resonated with me and that is when I feel mentally taxed after 2-3 games win or lose. Many of my friends (and I used to) think that this is probably because the game is getting worse and worse every season and that my favorite champs are changed (ex Ryze main) or nerfed in ways that are no longer fun, but this is just not the case (I really enjoy playing Lucian for example and recently added him to my pool, and I still like playing the game otherwise I wouldn't play it). I realized now that it's probably because I climbed higher than I was back in the day and play ranked with much more intensity than I used to because of it, so it's natural for me to feel tapped out. Cool perspective.
try Ryze again, he's super fun
That’s kind of what I do as support in bronze. I primarily play Nani, and then I’ll have a few days where either Zyra or Saraka is it my secondary. And then every so often I’ll just throw in a different character for whatever reason… but that “other” is still within a pool of like 5, unless I’m playing draft of course.
I was able to get to silver my first season doing that! I’d probably be plat if I could’ve continued to put in the same time and effort these last 5 years as I did my first year.
looking forward to another great year with the BBC!
For me, I can keep going after 3 games of full intensity because of my ADHD allowing me to hyperfocus with little exhaustion. One one hand, this has allowed me to drastically climb to Master within 2 seasons of League. Now, what stops me to properly perform is tilt. I get very emotional when I do things wrong and I start blaming teammates, overlooking my mistakes. So, I stop because I stop learning and thinking of what I could've done better.
The problem with no pre season, is that I have no idea what champions I like playing and suit my playstyle in the new meta. So I have to experiment early on until I find 3-5 I really like
Feel like you missed everything they talked about lol
This split I am OTP quinn in solo que but for fun variety and off meta picks in flex queue. This way I can manage my urge to play something unfamiliar and not mastered in solo q.
Most difficult doesn't mean most competitive - if anything, the added arbitrary difficulty in League can actually degrade competitive integrity. There are some things that cannot be avoided, such as dealing with other people who may not be up to par, the fact that climbing and improving aren't necessarily about the individual games while we live in a world that is used to instant dopamine, and whatever else. But Riot can improve upon things and they intentionally slowed climbing down, didn't they? These are things that add to the difficulty, yes, but also they degrade the competitive integrity of the game.
To be clear, I think you guys are correct in your assessments and the mindset and positivity you try to put forward and try to influence others with and I commend you for it, but I think you shouldn't be afraid to call out Riot's bullshit as well. League is meant to be immensely popular and yet we can't have role-based MMR matchmaking (as in, each lane is vs someone of a similar MMR, instead of having higher role-opponent skill discrepancies) and that you can legitimately play 200 games at a 60% winrate, not really find games of your level/genuinely harder opponents and thus never come across an actual good solo learning environment - not saying you cannot improve in those 200 games, but you won't be in an environment where you can learn at your best and from players that know better and it's because Riot slowed the ranking down. And then they don't have any real social side to their game, which hurts it. If you think of old games and what made them all successful, one of the pillars is how accessible being social was - this is something that would greatly benefit new players too, because you'd have new and experienced players playing together. Would you say that Starcraft 1 and Warcraft 3 are less competitive because they had this last thing? No one would, if anything, people tend to tout those games as more competitive and harder because they require a similar level of thought with more micro ability. Difficulty doesn't equate to being more competitive. League is brutal mentally, but it doesn't need to be so bad and it really wouldn't hurt the competitive integrity or aspect whatsoever to loosen it up if done right and could even add to it (especially with social accessibility because then you would find people to 1v1 practice with, inhouse games, etc)
Ah the highlight of my Monday! Can't wait to watch all of this!
tbh i do think there is value in reviewing longer espc once you know what you're looking for. as a support main there were so many times in lane i could have engaged and didnt even see the opportunity live. so if you were just quick reviewing you would miss a lot of stuff like that. in solo lanes it applies more to trade patterns / ability usage but still applies.
I been following the 3 block process for a while
i’ll play more games if my friend hops on or if i’m really feeling it.
sometimes the friend energy buff + coffee is enough to win 8 in a row.
by then i’m Burnt out tho. even cocaine couldn’t bring me back
41:23 that's exactly what i do, in real time. especially if i'm immediately initially upset about my death; i see my mistake as it happens [i'm usually saying something aloud like, "damn, i missed my charm", ect] i pause at a death, replay the instance in my head & usually tell myself, "i shouldn't of done that in the first place, i knew it was a bad idea &/if i had actually landed this/executed xyz, this fight would've turned out differently or i wouldn't of been in it to begin with". & then i keep it in mind & try not to repeat the behavior if the instance reoccurs. i've never actually used the VOD for anything but funny clips earlier in my league years, when i didn't take the game nearly as seriously.
58:00 ehh ? i went 1-3 in my 3 block today & both losses were because both my junglers' ignored pings & fed their butts off. i will say, as a true support main, playing mid lane to climb hasn't diminished my ability to assess the map, ping when my laner is missing, roam if possible to match, ping where i see the enemy jungler, ward the side of the map they're last seen on, ect. i'll even get to a point where if they're ignoring a judgment call i'll spam it & hope they realize, "probably shouldn't be there/do that; no vision over here/you're waling in blind", ect.
for me, it's really just overcoming -- this is elo hell, my pings or roaming when capable aren't the problem, i'm playing with people who genuinely don't know what they're doing--so i shouldn't be upset at them. like yea, that's the logic, doesn't make it less irritating, but i am able to rationalize it in the moment. [because im not a typer, my chats always off]
Sometimes shit happens that's out of your control. A recent example for me is I was filled into the adc role, my support DC'd during a level 1 fight and we lost that trade (obviously). He came back and engaged as a level 1 against two level 3 champions, we both ended up dying. I could say there's nothing I could have done, but I should have recognized that him going in at level 1 was never going to work and just backed off. I realized that during the play which tilted me and the game spiralled out of control from there.
So, I should be more careful in what engages I follow up on when we know it's a bad idea and I should not let something like that tilt me so I can focus on not letting the lane fully collapse.
Other than that I had not much to learn, but at least it's something
Hi boys, amazing podcast. I just picked up league and already I noticed I’m falling into a familiar pattern. When I learn games (chess, hearthstone) I tend to look for a solid strategy that will win me games early on but doesn’t take much difficulty. This strategy got me top 30 legend in hearthstone and a solid 2200 rating on lichess, but it doesn’t have any room for growth. Then when I get to a high elo I feel lost because my simple game play strats have no flexibility. I’m wondering how I can avoid this as I’m learning league. Are there any steps I can take now as I improve to make sure I stay open minded and not get stuck in a rut with one champion and then lose motivation when I hit a plateau? An example might be learning some simple openings in chess and learning a few opening traps that carry me up to a higher elo, but actually don’t develop a deeper understanding of the fundamentals. I feel I just play cheap tricks for wins.
Thank you boys, another amazing podcast.
Been excited all week for this
There is one thing I dont get, if you have a champ pool, how do you prevent being much worse on your secondary pick if you only play it when your main is banned or taken?
That's what I'd like to know as well. I currently have a slightly negative win rate but I noticed that I'm winning most of my Ahri games, about 50% of my Veigar games, but when I get my secondary role I lose most of my games. I think I'd have a positive win rate if it was just my main role
i’m starting over from scratch this season and i’m going to play 50 games worth of 3 blocks of only twisted fate to relearn mid lane
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Have you all done a video on role and climbing as support? Love watching your videos, but haven't seen any...
I have adhd and it’s so hard to only play two champions. I can barely restrict myself to one role let alone a couple champions
18:30 Literally feels like I went to war and back after 3 games lol, like my eyes a literally heavy and my body is exhausted after 3 really good games win or lose it's crazy
I really appreciate this video
referring to the part where loldobby is mentioned... who is the best Ori player pro or streamer
If the grind doesn’t work anymore, explain big tonka T 💪🏼
Thank you for this 🙏
the 10 bbc tips i received from this video were amazing. thank you coach curtis and coach nathan!
What if you get autofilled? I queue mid sometimes you get secondary twice + auto fill, you don't even get to play mid improve your laning
@BrokenByConcept you can you expect someone to only play 2 champions max during their climb when you have to queue secondary roles and have to deal with the occasional autofill? 4-5 champions max is more realistic imo.
My champion pool: Yasuo. Been playing Qiyana on a different account though, tons of fun on both Yasuo and Qiyana. Not getting burnt out because of it.
Hey guys what recording program would you recomend thats easy to use? Thanks!
Nvidia graphics cards have shadowplay. You can configure your own hotkeys for starting and stopping a recording and it has minimal performance impact. If you don't have that, OBS is an option. It's not that complicated and if you're struggling, there are plenty of tutorials online.
The easiest to use are probably overwolf apps like outplayed and lowkey that can be configured to record your games automatically, or even just the highlights or your deaths or something. They have more impact on performance, but you don't have to remember pressing buttons to start/stop recording.
i played for 2-4 weeks hard and got from silver to plat with 100% pickrate on nilah adc. But now after taking a couple days without grinding so hard, my view on the game feels so warped that it feels like a fever dream. Improving is 10 harder all of a sudden and i dont understand how to practice or what to practice, or if im even right about things that seem to make logical sense. Im not even sure am i using the things i learned in my games or not, or even remember them or not.
this ties into what they talk about, elo range. I assume that you’ve never been gold let alone plat, which is quite a difference win pacing and a bunch of things. You might right now be in a higher elo than your current skill level hence the struggles.
3 block for a new player once per week is 156 games that year! 3 times per week is 468 games. If you can commit to daily!! ~1052. Imagine sticking to 1 or 2 champions for a whole year with this approach. Just like the gym, gotta put in the reps and gotta start with the basics and you will see progress.
How do you feel about season start? Best to wait a week or begin grinding now?
new mmr systems is a bit strange for me. was plat 2, placed silver 1, now gold 3 but my games are full of silvers and actual new players
Begin grinding now, but dont' focus on the rank. You often play badly early season.
Thoughts on using the Stats page to track personal performance? Might be a useful tool for quickly identifying areas where you're succeeding and failing.
But I have no idea if it's useful at all, I've never seen a different player's stats page. It might be completely useless, but I haven't seen anyone discuss it as a whole, Ive only seen one person even reference it.
Disagree. Doesn't really give you any depth, just review games much better.
Been quitting league for 2 months and was master 100 lp at that point. Focusing on programming, math and physics, but it really doesn't give me the same competitive feeling of league. Idk if I should start again. What does the BBC:ers think?
(I don't have time for it all)
Love the video, your videos in general, league is no where near as hard as sc2 though
looking bigger nathan
The only thing I would never agree with you, is to limit the pool to 1 or 2 champion....
To me their is no rule, play what you are comfortable with !
Honestly, I played a lot, less in ranked, but lot in all other mods.... and so looooot of diferent kind of champ.
And I know if I can pick X or Y in ranked simply by my comfort playing it.
But if you asked my pool, I can tell you at least 10 champ each pos (except top), depend circumstances.
Ofc, if I didn't play a champ from a too long time, I do couple normal games with it before pick it in ranked...
But otherwise, it seems not a major problem an extend pool till you can assure honestly you are comfortable using your champ :).
I mean, for beginners I understand 200%, don't first pick champs in ranked you never played at least 10 times before in the last couple years ;).
SEASON 14 RANKED GUIDE.
...I feel like some league players would benefit more from being forced to learn how to play fighting games and then applying those lessons back to league than actually playing the game. a distinct difference in approach/perspective might be helpful for understanding what these lessons really mean
I got a tip for how to climb. Don't refuse to change.
Had game where someone was still trying ad leblanc with fleet and shiv. Had another who was doing a s13 lifesteal build on Nilah. Seen multiple tank supports who chose to build the ex-mythic tank items (heartsteal and jak'sho).
i assume when you say 3 block games those games are ranked correct ? or does it not matter
yes the whole thing is to play with Max intensity. if you want to play 6 games in a row in norms it's fine because you don't care about the result. they're just saying the result in game will be negatively affected if youre tired or burnt out, therefore will affect your climb if in ranked
I think there can be value in reviewing teammate mistakes: (1) You can become better by understanding a mistake someone else made; (2) You can get a broader view of the game and why things went wrong.
Example: I played a game today as top lane. My Zac ganked bot level 3, enemy Samira got a triple kill, snowballed to 11-1, it was a 15 minute ff. I didn't see how the gank went wrong so I went back and watched it. My bot lane took really bad trades at level 1/2, missed some skillshots, and the real issue was that my jungle then forced a gank where my bot lane was 20% HP and enemy bot lane was 90%. For me, this did two things. It emphasized that when I play jungle, I need to be mindful of the HP bars when I gank a lane. It also gave me closure because now I knew exactly why things went so poorly and I could easily move on to the next game.
2022 I did my placements and landed in Bronze II.
2023 I didn't play much. Only customs with friends.
2024 comes around and I decide to climb again and ended up in Iron I
DONT TAKE PROLONGED BREAKS
LMAO, we're 6 days into the new season man, chill.
how many games did you play?
I got Silver 2 in 2017 and now I'm back and hardstuck B4 40 games in it's so true
I hard disagree with the meta/matchup not mattering mindset. If you're a GM player obviously meta doesnt affect you much until Masters, but if you're an emerald player it does matter if yo want to climb to diamond. You can always get close to your true skill level with off meta picks, this applies in bronze and also in masters. Don't encourage people to pick amumu mid in their own elo
Useless to focus on it. If you play amumu mid you clearly accept retardedness and a harder journey.
I appreciate you guys, but when you said that league is the hardest game i almost passed out from laughter xD
Im more of a shooter player and in almost every single comp game I hit the top or right there. But in league years couldnt get past plat, once diamond. So if it comes to the amount of input in your brain and variables, of all the games out there, it is most definitely the hardest competitive games. Even a high level dota player admitted it and starcraft is also up there but league is like university, then bachelor and doctorate. The amount of info in this game is like 10x more than most games.
i play riven. i always change clothes after 2 games.
Same I also play riven but I never heard of changing clothes before, is that an item?
i don't ageee about mental strain i'm cracked tf out listening to hardstyle with dopamine surges and playin like a sweaty korean
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I can’t fathom the idea of playing 3 games and then calling it quits. I easily fill out my 20 game match history within a day or two. My breaks consist of drawing Jinx nude on my iPad while in queue 😉 or doing something for a few hours with my wife. If I’m at my pc and playing games, it’s always ranked league
gj, this is the cringest post I read today 👍
@@kiwiskilled i try my best
ily curtis
without bbc in my ear, in my mind, and in my body i would be nothing
"Hardest game you'll ever play". Habe you played chess recently?
Lol, don't ask your friends why they're tilted, very few people are this logical in the moment.
I adore this podcast and content but everytime i hear/see "BBC pyramid" i CANNOT take it seriously omg
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it need some cheese on it
these guys names themself BBC
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and we're BCCers
LOL Dobby the goat
I was here.
This game's main community is genuinely disgustingly toxic. The higher you climb the worse it gets, maybe it's more chill in high gm/challenger, idk.
I'm not talking about flaming because you have a competitive spirit, I'm talking about people who genuinely want to make you mad. The delusion gets so bad near/around master. It used to be tolerable, a couple toxic trolls every few games, sure just mute. But now, every game has at least 1-2, just completely delusional people. What's the point of playing an online game if I have to mute all? Unplayable unless you can have fun on your main champ.
Is it possible to work 9 hours a day and have a good rank or is it just better to quit ranked at that point 😂
Depends how much time you're willing to devote. I think with 9hrs work and league as your only hobby you can easily get 2hrs of playtime in per day. That's enough to improve consistently imo.
@@Nathan-ey6ps i made it to d1 like a year ago . I think you need more than 2 hours to improve more than that
@nawafalmatruk297 i was plat last season so my advice is maybe not optimal for you. Still I think consistency and a focus on learning from mistakes > time played per day. Also as you were talking about 'good' rank I thought you were a silver trying to climb to gold, not a diamond player who is already in the top percentiles lol
@@nawafalmatruk297 Nah you could get high master
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Unfortunate acronym boys
Welcome to league of legends. You gotta adapt to the bullshit. League is a very chaotic game. Should be on a popup everytime you open the game haha
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