Small thing, you misspoke at 1"10: "tbat means the first half of your marathon is going to be faster than the last half." You very helpfully explained the value of negative splits (running the second half faster) throughout. I'm writing merely to help anyone who would have been confused by the literal pronouncement.
Hi Neil - THANK YOU for kindly pointing this out. And UGH I actually noticed this before and meant to pin a comment at the top, but I guess I forgot. Sometimes speaking correctly is hard haha.
It’s so hard to believe this, but it works! This past weekend, I unintentionally set a pb on a training-run marathon, training for an ultra in June. Because it was a training run, I started slow, and then just gradually added effort / pace as the race went on. My last few km were 30s faster than my first few; and I still finished with lots of fuel in the tank. Lesson learned: it’s a lot more fun starting slow and finishing strong, vs the other way around!
It is SO much more fun! Still hard! Still a grind and still giving it your all. But it is different. And I LOVE when people get to finally experience that magic. But it takes a whole lot of trust.
Hey Guys! I mixed up my words around the 1:13 mark. I should have said, "The first half is going to be SLOWER than your second half." Sorry about that confusion...hopefully the rest of the video made it clear.
I do an even split in the marathon. As the race progresses especially in the second half, you’re going to use more of your glycogen stores. I go my heartrate usually. Zone 2 then I just let my body gradually go into Zone 3 then Zone 4 close to the end of the race. Pacing is definitely a more objective way to measure but it doesn’t take into account other factors.
I know the even split works really well for people and ultimately you don't want to go TOO much slower on the first half. Problem is that the majority of inexperienced marathoners, even many who've done several go out way too fast and don't realize this is what is causing them to bonk at mile 20. I agree looking at HR during a marathon helps a lot as long as you are used to training this way. This really helped me stay on track in my most recent (very humid) marathon.
I ran St. George this past weekend (marathon #8 for me) and finally ran a negative split! Not surprisingly, it was a PR and BQ time. I think I finally know the "feeling" of marathon pace, which has taken a ton of trial and error. Three years of accumulated fitness helps as well. Can't wait to get recovered and training again for a race in January and then Boston in April.
Joel! This is awesome! I completely agree that racing experience, especially racing the marathon, teaches you a lot about how to properly pace the race. You just don't know til you know. And yes, consistency over the long term matters. I was supposed to run St. George 2 years ago, but my husband got really sick that week before so I ended up running one close to home. Still hoping to get there someday! Big congrats on your BQ...I hope my 6-minute buffer will be enough so I can be there in April, as well.
Hi watching this two weeks before London Marathon 2022. I was trying to decide on a pace strategy and had almost decided on even splits. Now that I’ve seen your video I think I’ll try exactly what you said. Wish me luck! New runner, been running 8 months only, aiming for 4:30 hrs
26 miles is a looonnng way!! No need to rush the pace and plenty of time to make up the difference. If you do it right, you'll have the energy at the end you need to finish strong!!! Best of luck on snagging a sub-4:30!!
Running Boston in a week. Jane I found your videos an hour ago, I must say these are the best running education I have recieved in last 10 years of running life. Wish I came across these much earlier.
Thank you so much, Dhiraj, for taking the time to write such kind words. I definitely know what that's like when it comes to running, which is exactly why I started this RUclips channel in the first place...so fellow runners could reach their goals much sooner than I did!
Wow this is great advice I just completed my first marathon the Busselton marathon in Western Australia you strategy is smart and I agree so much with your last point!!
So glad to hear the pacing advice was helpful, Kori! Love that mantra...I had a marathon that was extra hard in 2019, and I just put that phrase on repeat in my head the last 8 miles to keep pushing the doubts away. It worked. Can't wait to see you do your thing in NYC - you're going to rock it!
Best thing you can do for yourself is just chill in the first 5-10k of a marathon. 20 more miles to go is a long way and plenty of miles to make up time. I surprisingly have three different athletes running Stockholm! Best of luck to you!!
You *CAN* bank time, but remember, the bank charges interest! Thanks for a great vid :) As someone who bonked after a 1:33 half and struggled to hit 3:20, I'm learning how NOT to run a marathon...this is very useful :)
Thank you Jane for this. I will run my first marathon in the 🇵🇭 this November, I am excited and nervous at the same time. Your video helped me with how I am planning now my pacing strategy
I typically don’t like to comment, but I figured I’d let you know! I’m running my first marathon tomorrow in the Twin Cities. Thanks Jane for all the great videos! I’ve been watching for a few months now as I’ve been preparing. I came back to this one to make sure I stick to my plan!
@@runningwithjane *Update* I finished! 26.2 ☑️ I came in at at 3:09:27. The marathon is no joke. I thought I was very well prepared but it’s still a mistake to underestimate the distance. I missed my goal, but I’m very proud of the fight I put up in the second half. It was an incredible experience! I will be back for more!
CONGRATS - you're a marathoner!!! Twin Cities is such a fantastic course for a first marathon and I'm so glad you loved the experience as that's what matters most! And that time is fast 💨 - ESPECIALLY for your very first one...sounds like you got the bug!
I had the race of my life last weekend. But it wasn’t a good time. It was 80 degrees by 9am and by the time I finished it was 84. I started slower and ended up with negative splits my last 10 miles. Sometimes the best race doesn’t mean the best time I just felt so good and strong finishing. Love your videos!
This is 100% true and thank you for saying it!! I love that you are celebrating a big win on a tough weather day that was out of your control. Negative splits and feeling good at the end of a marathon with a smile on your face is no small feat. I'm sure it taught you so much...that strength you found within yourself and more big things will follow! Congrats to you, Natalie, and so glad to hear you're enjoying the channel!
Yes - whatever mantra works! Sometimes a random one will pop in my head when things start hurting and then I just repeat it over and over. Sounds a little crazy haha, but it helps me keep the focus on something else and work through the pain. Best of luck to you - let us know how it goes!
i find that i'm always cramped the first few miles anyways, so i just need to learn to "go with the flow" until mile 3 or 4 when people start to naturally separate out. Its just a matter of not feeling too boxed in or claustrophobic
That's awesome! You will do great...my biggest advice is to find a good plan to put in place and stay consistent with it! When is the LA marathon? So glad you're finding the channel helpful...lots more marathon content in the works!
Solid advice.... There's no such thing as banking time! I love flat courses to keep things fast and predictable but mountain races are so much fun too! Thanks for this one!
It's like we as humans just try to convince ourselves that the "banking time" method works when it's actually a complete misnomer!! There is definitely upsides to both types of races! I've only ever done short trail races, but hoping to change that in the next year. Have a couple more road marathons planned, including CIM in December, and then ready to switch things up a bit.
@@Lukeyz18 congrats on a marathon finish!! Every single one is something to be super proud of and 4 hours is fantastic. Sorry to hear about the cramp...it's just impossible to predict what may crop up those last few miles - which is what makes it such an accomplishment.
@@runningwithjane thank you Jane. I was flying up until mile 21, and then my right leg went, and then both legs went. The scenes I seen at the last 3 miles was madness, people dropping, collapsing. I just kept going
Thanks Jane. Super clear as usual. Marathon of La Rochelle, France, coming up on 27th November 22. This video has been a big help. All the best to anyone else doing it 👍
Great video. Second marathon coming up (Richmond, UK). My first was about finishing it. Now, I want to try for sub-4 hours (that will be tough, but possible). I was thinking about even splits - but I'm pretty sure I'll go for negative splits now, as you suggest. Let's see what happens next week
My favorite marathoner to coach is the one doing what I call "the level-up marathon!" The first or first couple were about finishing and perhaps not quite understanding pacing/fueling, etc. and then there's the one where you finall start putting the pieces together and get to go for a time and run a strong race. I would highly recommend starting at least a bit conservatively...it's the best way to pace a marathon AND gives you more wiggle room if you find out that your goal was too agressive. Wishing you best of luck!
It's good to not look at your watch too much. I am running the Greenbriar River Trail marathon (Cass to Marlinton, WV) and it is in what is called a deadzone meaning no wifi and your watch will be way off. An amazing race along a railroad that was converted to a trail. 1% downgrade the entire way!
Thank you for these tips. I’m running my first marathon this weekend (Twin Cities). Your channel has been a source of knowledge and inspiration for me.
I loved running Twin Cities!! So pretty this time of year. Enjoy it, take it all in and just remember to remind yourself in those tough moments you're capable of more than you think. Good luck, Greg, and check back in to let us know how it goes! Thanks for the kind words...it makes me so happy to hear it's been helpful.
So excited for you, James! Nothing like those first finish line feels. Don't stress too much, just start out conservatively and then go give it your all later on! You got this!
Thanks for taking the time to reply :) I used your strategy and I survived, and finished with 3:23:02, which I'm absolutely delighted with (...although I didn't expect the vomitting session at the end 🤢😂)
@@jameskhoury354 marathons can do crazy things to a person's body. Glad you were able to hold it together til the end though and congrats on finishing your first marathon with a great time to boot!
Myrtle Beach Marathon. At the end of your video you encouraged me to comment my next marathon. Well this is it.. Hoping to complete this in four hours.
March 2nd. I just found your youtube channel about a week ago. You have some really good advice. You and I have a few things in common, In my early 30's I ran marathons untrained. Now I want to get serious. Thanks@@runningwithjane
Hi Jane. I love your videos. I am preparing for my first marathon after 2 months. And I need your advice with deciding marathon pace. Cos the route has 4 different stages of challenges. I find it difficult to decide what pace to run in each of the four stages. Please let me know how to contact you for personal session. Thank you
I’m the brilliant guy who decided on May 22nd i would sign of for the KC marathon which is October 21st. I started training that day and hadn’t ran in about 10 years. It has been a very humbling 2.5 months so far. Looking forward to finishing strong in race day though
@@runningwithjane 100%! I got too much dog in me to quit. I was an mma fighter way back in my 20s and I’ve been needing something to give me that fire in my belly again. Nothing like fighting myself every single morning to put those shoes on
@@runningwithjane Hi, Jane! Finished with a time of 4:03:16 - so close! But I felt really good throughout and taking it easy for the first half definitely helped me not to bonk. :) (I ran one in May and improved by 20 minutes.) Thanks for the great content!
@@EddieJapan 20-minute PR is huge!! Keep staying consistent with your running and no doubt you will break 4 and then some! Congrats to you and you are so welcome. Appreciate your support of the channel!
Pretty good advices. Too bad that pacers usually run even. And sticking with them helps a lot. You can concentrate to running only and no need to worry times. My next marathon is in Berlin end of September.
I'm training for the 2024 rock and roll San Diego Marathon. I want to learn about tempo training and other forms of speed training. Can you help?. Thank you
Hi Jane! Stumbled upon your video and it is extremely insightful. Quick question: as someone that finds it very reassuring to run next to the race pacers, does going for negative splits mean that you won't be able to stick close to the pacers? I assume pacers run even splits :( Thank you!!
Hey there! Yeah this is tough, because in general, pacers seem to run even splits. I'm much more of a proponent of running your own race. However, I fully get that some people find that strength in numbers or that a great pacer can be an awesome cheerleader...my best advice here is to always talk to the pacer at the expo and find out how they'll race. You can also start with a pacer that's 5 min. slower than your goal time to start conservative and then make your move to pull away and find the next pace group later on if you feel strong.
@@runningwithjane Thank you Jane, I'll remember that as one of my mantras when it gets tough! I've made the ´going too fast at the start` mistake too many times in 5, 10k and HMs, I've got it under control this time, got a good pacing plan... Thanks again for the good videos and advice.
@mikeloshak6772 How did it go? Did you finnish under 4? I'm gonna run my first marathon next summer and want to run sub 4 but not sure if I can. I can probably run a 51-52 min 10k at the moment if I really push myself :)
@@AT-uy9vv Hi and thanks for asking! I'm 53 started running 12 years ago. My PB for 10k is 45mins but in recent years 46:30, done a couple of HM at under 1:55. My first marathon went really well and according to my pacing plan... up to 30k then it all fell apart, the last 10k was brutal!! Everything hurt I had to walk the first 2mins of each km and struggled to do 7 min kms. Two reasons: The race organisers left a massive gap between water/food stations in the second half of the race, I'd run out of my own fuel and hit a low blood sugar/hydration wall. But the main reason was that I hadn't had time to run as far as I would've liked in training, the furthest I ran was 25k and I really wanted to know that I could over 30k comfortably in training. According to the 20% rule it was the last 7-10k that my body just wasn't ready for! But I've learnt from my mistake, will train and fuel properly next year and smash 4:00!! (Got 4:25 this time 😂)
Nice video. I've definitely fallen in to the trap of setting off too quickly at the start because I was feeling good!!! D'OH!! I'm hoping for a 4 hr marathon. So as to help me on race day, could you give me an idea of where I should be at setpoints around the course please? For example at 13.1 miles (half way) should I be at 2hr or should I be under or even over? I think if I had certain markers at, say, every 10k to gauge where I should be then I'll be more likely to hit my target for the 4hr marathon. Hope you can help.
Hey!! To be honest, this depends a lot on the course you're doing. findmymarathon.com pace bands (you don't have to buy them to see it) is great to use for this!! Plug in the marathon you're doing, choose "conservative" or "very conservative" start and "even effort" or "negative split." That will give you great times to shoot for!
@@runningwithjane Thank you that's very useful. I was looking for something like this but couldn't find anything. My marathon isn't listed (Milton Keynes, UK) but I used London as they are both pretty flat.
This is super helpful, thank you Jane! I'm running in Manchester, UK, on October 10th and was exactly wondering about whether to go out at marathon pace and try hold it or go out slower. I think slowing down the start really makes a lot of sense!
Hi Jennifer! So glad to hear it was helpful for you. Yes...ease into the race...you'll have plenty of time in the 2nd half to make up the difference. Have an amazing experience at Manchester and let us know how it goes...I've heard great things!
great video, so what I am hearing is, 1st 3-6 miles, keep it like a long warm up, 6-13 focus on keeping conservative, 13 on , gradually allow self to run marathon pace/effort. I realize this differs per race times, but for 3:30 marathon, does this seem like an ok plan?
Hi there! Yes, 1-6 is basically like a warm up. Like I was telling my athlete the other day before her marathon...what harm is there in going even 30 seconds slower than your goal pace? There really isn't...because you'll still have 20 more miles to make it all up. The rest - you got it! Listening to your body and knowing when to push/back off after 13 is the smartest plan. Then really after 21/22...go for broke and put out whatever you have left! For 3:30 this is exactly what I'd do and recommend! Do you have a marathon coming up then?
@@runningwithjane right, yeah, so if we run 30s/mi slower, and miss goal by 3 min, that is ok, running goal marathon pace for 20 miles is really hard, and if went out faster, would likely be 20 min slower in total anyhow
Quick question: Boston starts with downhills. If the recommendation is for even effort (not pace) but it's also to start slow, how to decide if we should start faster or slower? Thanks SO much for your amazing content and inspiration!
Hello Marcela...this is an excellent question and one I've been pondering myself all week as I prepare. I am going to do a Boston pacing strategy video this week, but I think my plan is to go about marathon pace +10 on the first mile (I need time to ease in anyway and accounting for any bottlenecking) and then stay right at marathon pace for the following downhill miles or ever so slightly faster than that.
Hi , I have my first marathon coming up.The beachy head Marathon is a trail run , so it's really hilly I'm not really sure what I'm doing pacing any advise please
Definitely better to adjust to effort. Hill trail runs are definitely in a bit of a different class, but starting conservative and saving energy in the beginning is still important.
Judging by your accent (same as mine), it’s nice to see a “northern girl” with some marathon content!! I’m rom WI and now in the twin cities. Do you do a lot of winter outdoor running or do you focus more on the treadmill? How does that affect your training or is it just sustainment mode during the half year of snow on the ground? 😂
Hey Alex - totally get that and that was ME many years ago also. It's all part of the learning process for sure and most people go through those initial growing pains. You're on your way, keep learning and keep growing...you got this!
Confused at ruclips.net/video/MBpFsElfgE0/видео.html; You say "running negative splits so that means that the first half of your marathon is going to be faster than the last half", but you mean the opposite, right? Negative split should be going faster towards the end...
Small thing, you misspoke at 1"10: "tbat means the first half of your marathon is going to be faster than the last half." You very helpfully explained the value of negative splits (running the second half faster) throughout. I'm writing merely to help anyone who would have been confused by the literal pronouncement.
Hi Neil - THANK YOU for kindly pointing this out. And UGH I actually noticed this before and meant to pin a comment at the top, but I guess I forgot. Sometimes speaking correctly is hard haha.
@@runningwithjaneyou should make a disclaimer in the video!
It’s so hard to believe this, but it works! This past weekend, I unintentionally set a pb on a training-run marathon, training for an ultra in June. Because it was a training run, I started slow, and then just gradually added effort / pace as the race went on. My last few km were 30s faster than my first few; and I still finished with lots of fuel in the tank.
Lesson learned: it’s a lot more fun starting slow and finishing strong, vs the other way around!
It is SO much more fun! Still hard! Still a grind and still giving it your all. But it is different. And I LOVE when people get to finally experience that magic. But it takes a whole lot of trust.
Hey Guys! I mixed up my words around the 1:13 mark. I should have said, "The first half is going to be SLOWER than your second half." Sorry about that confusion...hopefully the rest of the video made it clear.
I do an even split in the marathon. As the race progresses especially in the second half, you’re going to use more of your glycogen stores. I go my heartrate usually. Zone 2 then I just let my body gradually go into Zone 3 then Zone 4 close to the end of the race. Pacing is definitely a more objective way to measure but it doesn’t take into account other factors.
I know the even split works really well for people and ultimately you don't want to go TOO much slower on the first half. Problem is that the majority of inexperienced marathoners, even many who've done several go out way too fast and don't realize this is what is causing them to bonk at mile 20. I agree looking at HR during a marathon helps a lot as long as you are used to training this way. This really helped me stay on track in my most recent (very humid) marathon.
I ran St. George this past weekend (marathon #8 for me) and finally ran a negative split! Not surprisingly, it was a PR and BQ time. I think I finally know the "feeling" of marathon pace, which has taken a ton of trial and error. Three years of accumulated fitness helps as well. Can't wait to get recovered and training again for a race in January and then Boston in April.
Joel! This is awesome! I completely agree that racing experience, especially racing the marathon, teaches you a lot about how to properly pace the race. You just don't know til you know. And yes, consistency over the long term matters.
I was supposed to run St. George 2 years ago, but my husband got really sick that week before so I ended up running one close to home. Still hoping to get there someday! Big congrats on your BQ...I hope my 6-minute buffer will be enough so I can be there in April, as well.
Chicago Marathon - 6 days away. Great strategy plan and I appreciate the pep talk too! :)
You're so welcome and thanks for watching!!! Best of luck and hope you have an amazing day! Please check in and let us know how it goes for you!
I love how evidence-based all your info is. Thanks for the Blood Lactate ref
Thanks Karli!! Always happy to share data that supports the coaching advice I'm giving!
Hi watching this two weeks before London Marathon 2022. I was trying to decide on a pace strategy and had almost decided on even splits. Now that I’ve seen your video I think I’ll try exactly what you said. Wish me luck! New runner, been running 8 months only, aiming for 4:30 hrs
26 miles is a looonnng way!! No need to rush the pace and plenty of time to make up the difference. If you do it right, you'll have the energy at the end you need to finish strong!!! Best of luck on snagging a sub-4:30!!
Running Boston in a week. Jane I found your videos an hour ago, I must say these are the best running education I have recieved in last 10 years of running life. Wish I came across these much earlier.
Thank you so much, Dhiraj, for taking the time to write such kind words. I definitely know what that's like when it comes to running, which is exactly why I started this RUclips channel in the first place...so fellow runners could reach their goals much sooner than I did!
Wow this is great advice I just completed my first marathon the Busselton marathon in Western Australia you strategy is smart and I agree so much with your last point!!
Congrats running your first marathon!! So glad you found the strategy helpful!
👏🏾 This👏🏾 is👏🏾 the👏🏾 video👏🏾I👏🏾 needed!!! NYC marathon is weeks away. "The body achieves what the mind believes"
So glad to hear the pacing advice was helpful, Kori! Love that mantra...I had a marathon that was extra hard in 2019, and I just put that phrase on repeat in my head the last 8 miles to keep pushing the doubts away. It worked. Can't wait to see you do your thing in NYC - you're going to rock it!
Great advice , I’ve got my 2nd Marathon coming up in 13weeks in Belfast . Northern Ireland
Been engrossed in your vids and advice all day
Ah, that's so exciting! Happy to hear you are finding the videos helpful!
Great video! I am going to try and put your advice into action during my marathon in beginning of June in Stockholm!
Best thing you can do for yourself is just chill in the first 5-10k of a marathon. 20 more miles to go is a long way and plenty of miles to make up time. I surprisingly have three different athletes running Stockholm! Best of luck to you!!
You *CAN* bank time, but remember, the bank charges interest! Thanks for a great vid :) As someone who bonked after a 1:33 half and struggled to hit 3:20, I'm learning how NOT to run a marathon...this is very useful :)
Hi Joshua! That's a great way of putting it and oh so true. Luckily every race is a learning opportunity and we always have the chance to try again!!
@@runningwithjane I love your channel too!
Hey my man. I’m going to race my first marathon and I’m predicting to hit 3:20. Could you please tell me more about what happened to your marathon?
Thank you Jane for this. I will run my first marathon in the 🇵🇭 this November, I am excited and nervous at the same time. Your video helped me with how I am planning now my pacing strategy
So glad to hear it was helpful! Wishing you best of luck at your first marathon!
I typically don’t like to comment, but I figured I’d let you know! I’m running my first marathon tomorrow in the Twin Cities. Thanks Jane for all the great videos! I’ve been watching for a few months now as I’ve been preparing. I came back to this one to make sure I stick to my plan!
Oh I'm so glad you shared! Love Twin Cities!! Best of luck to you and be proud of everything it took to get there. You got this!
@@runningwithjane *Update* I finished! 26.2 ☑️ I came in at at 3:09:27. The marathon is no joke. I thought I was very well prepared but it’s still a mistake to underestimate the distance. I missed my goal, but I’m very proud of the fight I put up in the second half. It was an incredible experience! I will be back for more!
CONGRATS - you're a marathoner!!! Twin Cities is such a fantastic course for a first marathon and I'm so glad you loved the experience as that's what matters most! And that time is fast 💨 - ESPECIALLY for your very first one...sounds like you got the bug!
I had the race of my life last weekend. But it wasn’t a good time. It was 80 degrees by 9am and by the time I finished it was 84. I started slower and ended up with negative splits my last 10 miles. Sometimes the best race doesn’t mean the best time I just felt so good and strong finishing. Love your videos!
This is 100% true and thank you for saying it!! I love that you are celebrating a big win on a tough weather day that was out of your control. Negative splits and feeling good at the end of a marathon with a smile on your face is no small feat. I'm sure it taught you so much...that strength you found within yourself and more big things will follow! Congrats to you, Natalie, and so glad to hear you're enjoying the channel!
Running Copenhagen marathon next week, my first. Thank you for the mantra, I will probably need after 30 km..
Yes - whatever mantra works! Sometimes a random one will pop in my head when things start hurting and then I just repeat it over and over. Sounds a little crazy haha, but it helps me keep the focus on something else and work through the pain. Best of luck to you - let us know how it goes!
If there was ever a time for this video to pop up today was it!
You're going to do awesome!!
i find that i'm always cramped the first few miles anyways, so i just need to learn to "go with the flow" until mile 3 or 4 when people start to naturally separate out. Its just a matter of not feeling too boxed in or claustrophobic
Yes! Remember that 26 miles is a loooonnng way...plenty of time to make up the time from the conservative start if you're feeling strong.
Jane this is super helpful as I prepare for my first marathon- LA. A little overwhelmed by this idea but your channel is great!
That's awesome! You will do great...my biggest advice is to find a good plan to put in place and stay consistent with it! When is the LA marathon? So glad you're finding the channel helpful...lots more marathon content in the works!
Solid advice.... There's no such thing as banking time! I love flat courses to keep things fast and predictable but mountain races are so much fun too! Thanks for this one!
It's like we as humans just try to convince ourselves that the "banking time" method works when it's actually a complete misnomer!!
There is definitely upsides to both types of races! I've only ever done short trail races, but hoping to change that in the next year. Have a couple more road marathons planned, including CIM in December, and then ready to switch things up a bit.
Im running the Liverpool Marathon tomorrow. These tips have really calmed my mind. Thank you
Hey Luke!! So glad you found it helpful. Best of luck and have an awesome race!
I finished my race in 4 hours. Thank you. Your advice helped. I got cramp at the very end which made it harder to finish
@@Lukeyz18 congrats on a marathon finish!! Every single one is something to be super proud of and 4 hours is fantastic. Sorry to hear about the cramp...it's just impossible to predict what may crop up those last few miles - which is what makes it such an accomplishment.
@@runningwithjane thank you Jane. I was flying up until mile 21, and then my right leg went, and then both legs went. The scenes I seen at the last 3 miles was madness, people dropping, collapsing. I just kept going
Thanks Jane. Super clear as usual. Marathon of La Rochelle, France, coming up on 27th November 22. This video has been a big help. All the best to anyone else doing it 👍
So glad it was helpful! The marathon is very long...no reason to go out too fast! You got this and have a great experience!
Your advice will be tried in 2nd July Gold Coast Marathon 2023. Cheer me up loud & clear as in this video. Thank you.
Let's gooo! You're going to be awesome!
Great video. Second marathon coming up (Richmond, UK). My first was about finishing it. Now, I want to try for sub-4 hours (that will be tough, but possible). I was thinking about even splits - but I'm pretty sure I'll go for negative splits now, as you suggest. Let's see what happens next week
My favorite marathoner to coach is the one doing what I call "the level-up marathon!" The first or first couple were about finishing and perhaps not quite understanding pacing/fueling, etc. and then there's the one where you finall start putting the pieces together and get to go for a time and run a strong race. I would highly recommend starting at least a bit conservatively...it's the best way to pace a marathon AND gives you more wiggle room if you find out that your goal was too agressive. Wishing you best of luck!
It's good to not look at your watch too much. I am running the Greenbriar River Trail marathon (Cass to Marlinton, WV) and it is in what is called a deadzone meaning no wifi and your watch will be way off. An amazing race along a railroad that was converted to a trail. 1% downgrade the entire way!
0:40 thats what happened to me on my first marathon and completely died at the end. nice video, very informative and helpful, thanks!
It's very common!! Gotta get the training, pacing and fueling right to avoid that dreaded wall!
Thank you for these tips. I’m running my first marathon this weekend (Twin Cities). Your channel has been a source of knowledge and inspiration for me.
I loved running Twin Cities!! So pretty this time of year. Enjoy it, take it all in and just remember to remind yourself in those tough moments you're capable of more than you think. Good luck, Greg, and check back in to let us know how it goes! Thanks for the kind words...it makes me so happy to hear it's been helpful.
@@runningwithjane Thank you thank you 🙏 I will.
This was great! Thank you. Running my first ever marathon this Saturday in Třeboň, South Bohemia (Czech Rep) and am now rapidly revising my strategy 😁
So excited for you, James! Nothing like those first finish line feels. Don't stress too much, just start out conservatively and then go give it your all later on! You got this!
Thanks for taking the time to reply :) I used your strategy and I survived, and finished with 3:23:02, which I'm absolutely delighted with (...although I didn't expect the vomitting session at the end 🤢😂)
@@jameskhoury354 marathons can do crazy things to a person's body. Glad you were able to hold it together til the end though and congrats on finishing your first marathon with a great time to boot!
Myrtle Beach Marathon. At the end of your video you encouraged me to comment my next marathon. Well this is it.. Hoping to complete this in four hours.
That's awesome! I coach a runner who lives in Myrtle Beach and sounds like a great place to run! When is it?
March 2nd. I just found your youtube channel about a week ago. You have some really good advice. You and I have a few things in common, In my early 30's I ran marathons untrained. Now I want to get serious. Thanks@@runningwithjane
Hi Jane. I love your videos. I am preparing for my first marathon after 2 months. And I need your advice with deciding marathon pace. Cos the route has 4 different stages of challenges. I find it difficult to decide what pace to run in each of the four stages. Please let me know how to contact you for personal session. Thank you
Hi! So glad to hear the videos are helping! You can fill out the form on this page to schedule a 1:1 call. readysetmarathon.com/run-coaching-services/
I’m the brilliant guy who decided on May 22nd i would sign of for the KC marathon which is October 21st. I started training that day and hadn’t ran in about 10 years. It has been a very humbling 2.5 months so far. Looking forward to finishing strong in race day though
Keep going!! It's amazing what happens when you just keep showing up!
@@runningwithjane 100%! I got too much dog in me to quit. I was an mma fighter way back in my 20s and I’ve been needing something to give me that fire in my belly again. Nothing like fighting myself every single morning to put those shoes on
Thanks for this! Loco Marathon in Newmarket, NH on 10/23/2022 - looking to break 4:00:00.
You got this, Eddie!! Hope it's an amazing day...check back in and let me know how it goes!
@@runningwithjane Hi, Jane! Finished with a time of 4:03:16 - so close! But I felt really good throughout and taking it easy for the first half definitely helped me not to bonk. :) (I ran one in May and improved by 20 minutes.) Thanks for the great content!
@@EddieJapan 20-minute PR is huge!! Keep staying consistent with your running and no doubt you will break 4 and then some! Congrats to you and you are so welcome. Appreciate your support of the channel!
@@runningwithjane Thank you!!
Excellent video . My next one is the Gold Coast Marathon in July
So exciting!
Pretty good advices. Too bad that pacers usually run even. And sticking with them helps a lot. You can concentrate to running only and no need to worry times. My next marathon is in Berlin end of September.
Awesome - best of luck at Berlin! I agree, pacers can be great, but it feels really amazing to tackle it all on your own, too.
Thanks, this was very helpful!
You're so welcome, Kathy - makes me happy to hear that it's helpful for fellow runners!
I'm training for the 2024 rock and roll San Diego Marathon. I want to learn about tempo training and other forms of speed training. Can you help?. Thank you
Hi Rodolfo! Can you let me know what your specific questions are? Perhaps how to implement them in training? Is this your first marathon?
York,yorkshire marathon uk
Thanks for sharing, i. am going for nyc marathon this year and this is very helpful
So glad you found it helpful. Best of luck to you!
Hi Jane! Stumbled upon your video and it is extremely insightful. Quick question: as someone that finds it very reassuring to run next to the race pacers, does going for negative splits mean that you won't be able to stick close to the pacers? I assume pacers run even splits :( Thank you!!
Hey there! Yeah this is tough, because in general, pacers seem to run even splits. I'm much more of a proponent of running your own race. However, I fully get that some people find that strength in numbers or that a great pacer can be an awesome cheerleader...my best advice here is to always talk to the pacer at the expo and find out how they'll race. You can also start with a pacer that's 5 min. slower than your goal time to start conservative and then make your move to pull away and find the next pace group later on if you feel strong.
Delhi marathon coming in feb and Berlin in September... Hope to a 4:30 in Delhi and see how it goes
Great video, excellent advice!
Glad it was helpful!
Great tips, thank you! I'm running my first marathon this weekend, going for sub 4...
Best of luck, Mike!! Here's my go-to for pacing:
Part 1: Be smart.
Part 2: Be smooth.
Part 3: Be BRAVE!
You GOT this! Let me know how it goes!
@@runningwithjane Thank you Jane, I'll remember that as one of my mantras when it gets tough! I've made the ´going too fast at the start` mistake too many times in 5, 10k and HMs, I've got it under control this time, got a good pacing plan... Thanks again for the good videos and advice.
@mikeloshak6772 How did it go? Did you finnish under 4? I'm gonna run my first marathon next summer and want to run sub 4 but not sure if I can. I can probably run a 51-52 min 10k at the moment if I really push myself :)
@@AT-uy9vv Hi and thanks for asking! I'm 53 started running 12 years ago. My PB for 10k is 45mins but in recent years 46:30, done a couple of HM at under 1:55. My first marathon went really well and according to my pacing plan... up to 30k then it all fell apart, the last 10k was brutal!! Everything hurt I had to walk the first 2mins of each km and struggled to do 7 min kms.
Two reasons: The race organisers left a massive gap between water/food stations in the second half of the race, I'd run out of my own fuel and hit a low blood sugar/hydration wall. But the main reason was that I hadn't had time to run as far as I would've liked in training, the furthest I ran was 25k and I really wanted to know that I could over 30k comfortably in training. According to the 20% rule it was the last 7-10k that my body just wasn't ready for!
But I've learnt from my mistake, will train and fuel properly next year and smash 4:00!! (Got 4:25 this time 😂)
Nice video. I've definitely fallen in to the trap of setting off too quickly at the start because I was feeling good!!! D'OH!!
I'm hoping for a 4 hr marathon. So as to help me on race day, could you give me an idea of where I should be at setpoints around the course please?
For example at 13.1 miles (half way) should I be at 2hr or should I be under or even over? I think if I had certain markers at, say, every 10k to gauge where I should be then I'll be more likely to hit my target for the 4hr marathon.
Hope you can help.
Hey!! To be honest, this depends a lot on the course you're doing. findmymarathon.com pace bands (you don't have to buy them to see it) is great to use for this!! Plug in the marathon you're doing, choose "conservative" or "very conservative" start and "even effort" or "negative split." That will give you great times to shoot for!
@@runningwithjane Thank you that's very useful. I was looking for something like this but couldn't find anything. My marathon isn't listed (Milton Keynes, UK) but I used London as they are both pretty flat.
Thank you
You're welcome!
This is super helpful, thank you Jane! I'm running in Manchester, UK, on October 10th and was exactly wondering about whether to go out at marathon pace and try hold it or go out slower. I think slowing down the start really makes a lot of sense!
Hi Jennifer! So glad to hear it was helpful for you. Yes...ease into the race...you'll have plenty of time in the 2nd half to make up the difference. Have an amazing experience at Manchester and let us know how it goes...I've heard great things!
Excellent advice
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great video, so what I am hearing is, 1st 3-6 miles, keep it like a long warm up, 6-13 focus on keeping conservative, 13 on , gradually allow self to run marathon pace/effort. I realize this differs per race times, but for 3:30 marathon, does this seem like an ok plan?
Hi there! Yes, 1-6 is basically like a warm up. Like I was telling my athlete the other day before her marathon...what harm is there in going even 30 seconds slower than your goal pace? There really isn't...because you'll still have 20 more miles to make it all up. The rest - you got it! Listening to your body and knowing when to push/back off after 13 is the smartest plan. Then really after 21/22...go for broke and put out whatever you have left! For 3:30 this is exactly what I'd do and recommend! Do you have a marathon coming up then?
@@runningwithjane Thx for the help! Yes, 60 days, Disney Marathon, Jan 9.
@@runningwithjane right, yeah, so if we run 30s/mi slower, and miss goal by 3 min, that is ok, running goal marathon pace for 20 miles is really hard, and if went out faster, would likely be 20 min slower in total anyhow
@@ingjoe1 Yep, that's very true! Best of luck at Disney...I'm coaching someone right now who is running the same race. Should be a fun one for sure.
nice strategy
Quick question: Boston starts with downhills. If the recommendation is for even effort (not pace) but it's also to start slow, how to decide if we should start faster or slower? Thanks SO much for your amazing content and inspiration!
Hello Marcela...this is an excellent question and one I've been pondering myself all week as I prepare. I am going to do a Boston pacing strategy video this week, but I think my plan is to go about marathon pace +10 on the first mile (I need time to ease in anyway and accounting for any bottlenecking) and then stay right at marathon pace for the following downhill miles or ever so slightly faster than that.
@@runningwithjane Thank you! Looking forward to your Boston video! :)
I'm starting to get nervous
I’m doing the Oakland Marathon, 3-17-24. This will be my first wish me luck.
Wishing you the very best, Thomas!! Hope it's an amazing experience. Let us know how it goes!
Great tips again Jane!
Thanks Suzie!
I train at 6:38 per mile pace, it does take some discipline to force yourself to run about 12 seconds slower than the pace you train at
Progression runs help with this. This allows you to practice just slower then MP, MP and just faster than MP. Mimics race day.
A negative split is when your last half is faster than the first half. I think it was said wrong.
Hi David - yes, that is correct and what I intended to say. It's possible I may have misspoke!
Thanks👍
You're welcome, Simon!
Hi , I have my first marathon coming up.The beachy head Marathon is a trail run , so it's really hilly I'm not really sure what I'm doing pacing any advise please
Definitely better to adjust to effort. Hill trail runs are definitely in a bit of a different class, but starting conservative and saving energy in the beginning is still important.
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So glad it was helpful for you!
Let everyone go balls out and gas’s out and remain patient and pick them off one by one.
Lol that's usually how it works. 😬
@@runningwithjane That’s my plan in two weeks in the Ventura marathon.
Awesome! Hope you have an incredible experience!
@@runningwithjane Hope so plan to get these two 10 mile sections out of the way. Focus on the last 10k
Judging by your accent (same as mine), it’s nice to see a “northern girl” with some marathon content!! I’m rom WI and now in the twin cities. Do you do a lot of winter outdoor running or do you focus more on the treadmill? How does that affect your training or is it just sustainment mode during the half year of snow on the ground? 😂
Great advice and I use the positive mantras during my training. It works! ❤
Yes, you gotta!!! Love that you do this, Kathy.
At my age the body definitely quits before the mind does :o)
LOL
Wish I didn’t have to do things my own way and fail first till this get drilled in my head 😂
Hey Alex - totally get that and that was ME many years ago also. It's all part of the learning process for sure and most people go through those initial growing pains. You're on your way, keep learning and keep growing...you got this!
Confused at ruclips.net/video/MBpFsElfgE0/видео.html; You say "running negative splits so that means that the first half of your marathon is going to be faster than the last half", but you mean the opposite, right? Negative split should be going faster towards the end...
Hi yes, please see my pinned comment. Thanks for watching!