MEP Plumbing
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- This episode is sponsored by LEGEND
In this episode of The Risinger Build, we’re diving into the world of plumbing with a special focus on innovative products and expert techniques. We’ll be working with PERT pipe from Legend’s HyperPure line, a flexible alternative to traditional PEX. Joining us is Master Plumber Eric Aune from Mechanical Hub, who will team up with us to break down the latest advancements in plumbing fittings and systems. From ensuring all your plumbing is prepped before the pros arrive to smart framing practices for future-proofing your home, we cover it all such as ClearLOC which is a new PTC (Push-to-Connect) fitting system using advanced engineered PPSU (polyphenylsulfone) resin, the same as standard PEX fittings. ClearLOC’s unique transparent body lets you see connections as they’re made. They install up to 50% faster than other push-fits by eliminating the need to measure and mark insertion depths.
We’re showcasing LG’s sleek dual inverter heat pump water heater, a stylish upgrade from traditional models. Designed for efficiency, this unit combines a heat pump with dual heating elements for rapid hot water recovery, making it perfect for high-demand situations like gatherings or post-vacation. We’ll explore its installation in a closet and discuss its ventilation needs, including the innovative use of cool, dehumidified air to enhance home cooling. Plus, learn about its Wi-Fi capabilities and user-friendly app integration for seamless control and monitoring.
We’re also unveiling the Thermo Drain, a cutting-edge drain water heat recovery system designed to boost your water heater’s efficiency. This passive system utilizes a dual-wall heat exchanger to capture and reuse heat from wastewater, raising the incoming water temperature and reducing energy consumption. We’ll break down its construction, including the flattened copper pipe for improved heat transfer, and discuss its ease of installation in both new and existing homes. Learn how this simple yet effective technology can save you money and energy over time, making it a smart investment for long-term efficiency.
We highlight the benefits of stainless steel hose bibs over traditional brass, including improved insulation and durability. Watch as we discuss creating easy access panels for future maintenance and the importance of completing all trades before siding installation. We also explore the use of bend supports in plumbing to reduce turbulence and eliminate extra fittings. Plus, get a sneak peek at beautiful cast iron tubs and the efficient use of plumbing systems in the home.
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DUDE!!! I am legit excited. Every time there’s a plumbing episode I’m like, “Please cover PE-RT!!!” I don’t think it’s because of me, but I’ve been requesting it since before he killed Risinger Goes Rogue.
I've never read all the comments before... These are great thanks guys
I'm so old I remember when Matt Reviewed products that weren't a̶d̶s̶ the show sponsor.
Those Kohler cast iron tubs have both the lowest curb height and the deepest spill over level. Best tub there is from my experience. I also insulate mine
Great episode!
The first thing I think about when installing plumbing is how will I get rid of it.
I wish appliance makers would put Ethernet ports on their products. WiFi for fixed devices is dumb.
Wifi is way too good these days to mess around with Ethernet. People who ran ethernet throughout their house are mad it's already obsolete lol.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 Ethernet will be obsolete when faster than 100Gb/s connections become commonplace and even then the upgrade is fiber, not wireless. Even people who ran CAT5e are good for 2.5Gb/s for the full 100m maximum length run (and up to 10Gb/s for runs under 45m).
WiFi isn't a magical solution that lets you connect everything, too many devices in the same area will always cause performance degradation. You can't stuff more data into the same airwaves but you can always run another cable.
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 I would run ethernet but that would be for computers and to wifi access points.
Agreed. Wi-Fi is terrible (wasteful) for fixed appliances. Every additional Wi-Fi network object comes with so much overhead. With a couple dozen IOT devices, a cheap router is quickly overwhelmed. Not everyone wants to have a $500+ router to make sure IOT devices don't interrupt their Netflix steam.
No one has ever complained about having to reset the Wi-Fi, right? (yes even on new routers).
We are doing a house for an electronics developer and the amount of cat6Z we ran was crazy, he said the exact same thing WiFi was to easy to overload
I used pert on a heating system 4 years ago. Working fine
I would put my heat pump water heater in the same closet as my network rack.
Experimenting with push to connect on a new construction is wild
Hey Matt, you do know the Oatey Access Panels can be flipped for new construction and installed prior to drywall right? Just flip the cover. Saves the extra steps you added and is a much cleaner look when finished and painted. (fan and fellow GC in Iowa)
Infomercial.
It's a bit hard to believe that water falling through that vertical Thermo Drain copper pipe for 2.5 feet at 19.5 ft/sec (most of it not making contact with the copper wall itself) would be able to transfer any appreciable amount of heat to make this worthwhile.
Yup, very hard to believe!
Not helped by the fact that if the manufacturer actually believed it worked they would have insulated it. Y'know, to keep the heat in.
Agreed. A better design would take heat off at a J-trap or a horizontal run. However at shower flow rates, the water runs down the sides of the pipe. Yes; insulating the space surrounding the heat exchanger will also help.
If redesigning, transfer the heat from the shower drain to the shower cold supply. Add an automatic temp control for the shower and you’ve got the best possible design.
It's not 2.5 it's a coil. Duh.
"It's not 2.5 it's a coil. Duh." - @@fox156 You're right. 32" is actually 2.6666...ft. 19:05 My mistake. I was way off. Thanks for being so cool about it though.
Seeing that heat recovery system for the drain pipe reminds me of a shower water recycling system that was part of an experimental Tiny House on display in Berlin years ago. This is probably more practical, but the idea of taking an endless hot shower without wasting either energy or water would be easy to sell in places like California. If we had "Unit" baths like they do in Japan it would probably be a built in feature.
There is no chance in honey the drain heat exchanger gains 1 degree when water is running past
Wait, is this a new house for the Risinger clan? What's wrong with last year's house?
Hi Matt, great video! I have two questions:
1. In the upstairs bathroom it looks like there is a double exterior wall in the shower to possibly make room for a shower niche (minute 30:20). I’ve seen some of Corbett Lunsford’s videos where he recommends never putting a shower or tub/shower combo on an exterior wall and I’ve also seen a Steve Baczek video where he talks about one of his builders installing a “wall within the exterior wall” around a tub or shower in order to better isolate it from a cold exterior. Although it is quite warm throughout the year in Austin, why would you put the shower niche in an exterior wall and are there any special details you have to include in regards to possible moisture issues?
2. Also in one of Corbett Lunsford’s videos he talks about the little known fact that homeowners are supposed to run water through their PEX pipes (and discard it) for at least two weeks before they move into a new house in order to flush chemicals and pieces of microplastics out of the pipes. Are there any similar issues with these kinds of contaminants needing to be flushed out of Pert pipes?
Matt you bulked up!!!
Copy and Paste from Legend spec sheet off website: 200 PSI Rating at 73° F | 100 PSI Rating at 180° F. Where is this 200 PSI @ 200F rating mentioned? Also, salesman says "5 bend radius" while spec sheet says 6x Tubing O.D. ?
3/4 ID = 7/8 OD X 6 = 42/8 = 5. 25''
@@morninboy OK, so you are referencing the 3/4 nominal tube size instead of the generic spec. Thank you for the clarification. What about the press/temp spec?
About the bend supports-I have had 6 leaks on the hot water outside of the radius of the support. Bo Superpex.
Excellent job Matt. Looks like a cast iron tub is on the list for my home design.
they can be super cold in the winter
As a Kohler Customer in the past I was disappointed in not being able to get some color coordinated
toilet seats from Kohler. I was told the Toilet colors were dated and the matching seats unavailable.
If you are only going to insulate one water pipe, make sure it is the COLD line. This house is in a very humid climate and unless you are keeping it fully conditioned 24/7, condensation on the pipe (even plastic pipe) is the issue.
Differences to consider -------- PEX is BPA-free and doesn't contain harmful chemicals that could leach into water. However, some studies are ongoing into potential health risks related to chemical leaching from PEX, especially when used in hot water systems.....
It may not have BPA’s but what about BPB’s and BPS? I don’t want ANY bisphenols in my water.
Great info and ... Eric could so do an imitation of John C Reilly with no effort.
What is "MEP Plumbing"? I know MEP is Mechanical, Electrical and Plumbing.
Why do you use zip system with external insulation vs using Zip-R. What are the situations I should choose one vs the other?
I'm all in as long as you can promise me the same benefits of what other plastics leach into my water.
I’m selfish and I don’t care about recycling. Any other reason I should buy this over pex? Which product will burst first in a freeze??? This or pex?
"Easier to recycle" Easier to biodegrade. What's it's life span while in use? Compared to PEX.
We have "strict" deconstruct-and-recycle regulations in my county and other than limited amounts of large-format lumber and copper pluming, everthing else ends up in the dumpster. Nobody has time to pick through every little thing and figure out which recycling stream it belongs in.
Recycling by in large in this country is a complete scam especially since the Chinese stopped taking our scraps! Sad but true…hopefully this won’t be the case in the future.
Lack of harsh chemicals in the manufacturing process.
Use copper, it will outlast pex by many decades. The initial investment will be more but it’s worth it.
Copper is the only material you should be using in your plumbing. It has anti-microbial properties and has been in use since Ancient Egypt. It is also recyclable. Pay the extra money, your family will thank you for it.
I’d agree if we lived in 1978, but most copper seems to be made overseas with thin spots and impurities. I’ve had several 2005 era copper pipes get pinhole leaks with nothing near. We have Tx hard water, have you found decent copper available recently ??
I seriously thought he was joking and punking us when Matt showed the gawd awful color of that bathtub. Then I realized that is too heavy for just a joke. There is a reason we see people removing tubs that color…. Oh man 😂
LG sure does build some beautiful looking Junk appliances
Like every product made people have their own experiences. My entire kitchen and laundry is LG and I’ve never had one problem.
@@URKlewlesshow many minutes have you owned them?
Xenophobic comment. Typical
Had a LG linear compressor fridge. Not sure there’s anything anyone can say that would convince me to buy another LG appliance ever again.
@@URKlewless LG refrigerator compressors are a very real and well known issue. Not sure about their other appliances. But appliances in general have gone to complete shit quality because people want totally useless wifi everything with touch screens rather than quality these days. Who cares if it breaks in 6 months?? It's got wifi!!!
The piping -- why is the red (hot) clamped with insulation. The blue (cold) is not ?
9:16 what are the requirements for a portable system? Are they similar to potable requirements?
It has always puzzled me: What's the rationale behind the two hard 90* hard elbows at 17:22? If the PERT is so pliable, and the copper can likely be "kicked up" a bit too (see how tightly the col has been wound!), why not just put a gentle bend?
Matt Risinger agrees! :) 29:38
I came across this last month fixing a water softener install that included the lawn sprinkler. They used this pipe. I knew it wasn’t pex b, I was worried about what fittings I could use so I used push to connect. I wasn’t sure if I could use a pex b barb fitting.
They were using softened water for their sprinklers? So they are slowly salting their grass to death...
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 it also solved why some heads weren’t coming up, not enough pressure.
@@jonathanzappala So you bypassed the softener for the sprinklers?
@@bobbygetsbanned6049 yep
What do you think of the Essency water heaters?
That heat transfer piping would be great in multi family units.
I remember the last miracle plumbing pipe. Blue Poly... polybutalyne... how'd that work out? And push to connect? Sounds kinda like a sharkbite class action lawsuit waiting to happen.
Yah I dont get why it matters that they can disconnect it up to 12 times. This is going into a house. The only time it should be disconnected is if you are changing out the pipe. In an industrial environment all of our piping is welded together for a reason unless we know we will need to change out the pipe in the future. I'd rather have the system with pex where they use a crimping tool to ensure you have a really strong connection.
That's why you wait 10 years to see if you get a Blue Poly or colored PEX recall before you use it. Let other people experiment.
Push to connect has been in industrial applications for decades for air/water with Festo/SMC. If properly designed and installed it's flawless. That being said in places that aren't accessible at all I would prefer if my plumber used crimp/press fittings.
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Is that tub green? If so it is ugly!
Pick out the right tiles and grout and you could have something exceptional. Colour rules. Thank God the grey phase is over
@@morninboy So you are saying bring back the 70's and 60's colour pallet. No thanks and keep your shag carpet with it.
@@garygeorge9648 Nothing like putting words in someones mouth. I don't care who you shag on your carpet
What is the leach amount over time ?
Here in Minnesota I have spoken to several homeowners who have had those "thermo drain" pipes installed in their "Passive Homes" & they failed due to small pin holes that have developed in them. Personally I think it's a gimmick that's not really going to deliver any noticeable returns.
If you bought $700 worth of a high paying dividend stock (Getting 5% is easy), you would get $35 a year to pay put toward your utility expenses. If the Thermodrain cost $600 (which is around the cost I saw for it), and $100 to install, for a total of $700, and saved $25 a year, you would clearly be doing better to buy the stock. This device likely simply does save enough money to justify it's cost. If the motivation is to be green, putting that money towards a more efficient heat pump ($700 will buy a couple of SEER2 Units more) is a much better investment.
Spending money on energy savings quickly gets to the point of diminishing returns. I highly doubt that stupid drain heatsink would ever be worth the added cost.
I don't think a hose bib belongs in a residential wall. Prone to failure, freezing, and they create a big hole in the wall as well as being inconvenient for use. I prefer a dedicated circuit of pedestals outside, placed where the water is needed. If needed the entire circuit can be drained and, or blown out for freezing. Same concept for exterior elec receptacles.
@@user-tv5dt3nm9y sounds like a lot of work and a whole lot more exposure not to mention expense. Underground and above ground pipes are no longer in an insulated envelope and cost more to install. Blowing out has to be done in a timely manner and requires work. Vs the stub out built for harsh weather with a valve that shuts off inside the heated envelope.
Beulah Well
Will Sharkbite connectors work with this new type of polyethylene?
it will. anyhting that is cts.
I used copper. There is enough problems with plastics, so I definitely did not want it in my plumbing. Luckily I do not use the city water department but have a well and spring.
Everyone in my town that had copper had to replace it a few years back due to pinhole leaks caused by the city water. Guess you aren't really safe with any system.
@@thursdaythought7201 I am thankful that I don't have to use city water. I want to have a large family (lots of kids), so I want to have things as healthy as possible for them. That is the main reason I moved out of the city.
In past episodes, Matt obeyed the language police and used the term "primary" when denoting a bedroom or bathroom; I'm gladdened to see he is back to using the term "master." Thank you!
Haha you snowflakes are so easily offended...
1st!
Push connect fittings inside my wall on a NEW system!?? 😳🤔
It would keep me up at night.....no thanks
Advantech is plywood?
It's OSB, essentially.
I believe PERT pipe only needs to withstand 48 hours of the pressure rated pressure, but PEX-a actually needs to withstand the rating for 720 hours.....
Yeah, Uponor has a comparison chart that doesn't paint the same picture as the one painted here by the Legend Salesman....
Dolly Manor
It's hard to take seriously men who describe things (like a water heater) as "sexy".
I’m skeptical with any claims of energy efficiency products, in the late 80’s they were pushing energy efficient light bulbs that cost 5-6 times more than a regular bulb. If you did the ROI cal it turned out it took 15yrs to get your return. Just didn’t make financial savings sense. IMO most of money saving energy efficient products, including EVs, don’t have an ROI. Having said that, energy efficiency may have a big environmental impact and I’m for that, just not for the saving money claim. If we all use energy efficient products it’ll benefit our children’s future no doubt, just not our pocket books!
Between intros and longer and more commercials,getting pretty sick of it.
It is ALL commercials....
Thermo Drain a big scam.... pretty silly... since your drain water is like maybe 80 degrees.... the T increase is actually a problem for a heat pump water heater... for a heat pump water heater the colder the incoming water, the more efficient is the heating during the heat pump cycle...... just saying...
NO. That is a fundamental misunderstanding of what efficiency represents: Degrees of heat rise per unit of energy consumed. In other words, let's say heating water from 70 to 100 gives you an average efficiency of 1 degree per unit of energy such that you use 30 units. Heating water from 80 to 100 might only have an efficiency of .8 degrees per unit of energy, but that still only uses 25 total units of energy, a savings of 5/30 = 17%.
Another way to prove this is a logical thought experiment: When you heat water from 70 to 100, you are, at some point, reaching 80 degrees on your way to 100 such that you've used a non zero amount of energy to achieve that first 10 degree rise, proving the energy consumed from 80 to 100 is LESS than the total energy from 70 to 100.
Whether or not the savings are worth the upfront cost of a system like this is a different question, but your claim that it's making the process less efficient is just a misunderstanding.
sheesh those cripples were cut about 1/2" too short above that bathroom mirror header
WHAAAAT???? At @6:30 he says, "It's actually opaque, so you can see through it." Opaque literally means you CAN'T see through it. "Transparent" means you can see clearly through it. "Translucent" means you can see through it, but it's not entirely clear.
Salesmen....
Unbelievable
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The tub is ugly, but it's not my house. Also, that tiny stall shower--why? But, again, not my house.
Nice video, but the plumbing job could look way better. This definitely isn’t the best work plumbers can deliver!
terrible olive bath color on 29:02 time
I'd say more pastel green. Beautiful. Find some nice tiles
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3/4 x 1 tee?? You mean a 1x3/4 tee. This is your “plumbing expert” paid advertisement for junk
You can’t be serious about push to connect, Any plumber that uses that anywhere, I automatically laugh in their face, instant pass
Massive waste of copper.
I want copper for my water, no plastics.
I know plumbers want to make a killing and want to show this crap but not for us.🎉🎉 pass on this.
What’s the advantage of copper over pex if all the water mains are plastic?
@@keithdygert1120
Antibacterial,
Anti inflammatory
Increase of PH levels.
For starters