Is Zimbabwe reversing policy on land seizures? | Inside Story
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- Two decades ago, former Zimbabwean president Robert Mugabe violently evicted thousands of white farmers and gave the properties to black families.
Critics argue the policy destroyed the economy.
The government of Mugabe's successor Emmerson Mnangagwa says foreign white farmers can apply to have the land back.
It follows an agreement in July to pay 3.5 billion dollars in compensation.
Will these measures resolve one of the most divisive policies in Zimbabwe's history?
Presenter: Hashem Ahelbarra
Guests:
Vince Musewe - Economist and Investment Consultant
Obert Gutu - Former Spokesman, Movement for Democratic Change
Rejoice Ngwenya - Political Analyst
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"okay the land is ours, now what do we do?"
If I was a Zim farmer I would wish the Zim government Goodluck and carry on with my life.
I don't think that would be smart, there's a food shortage in the country, first mover advantage principal will earn first movers millions, hard feelings push aside..
@@josephmigwi8304 It's Zimbabwe. They're going to do a Mugabe again, maybe not in the next 10 years, but this is going to happen again. It's already on its way to happen in South Africa. So instead of going back to Zimbabwe and hoping that history won't repeat itself, it's much easier and safer to export food into Zimbabwe at inflated price.
@@josephmigwi8304
then when they see you had success then they’d call it a product of [insert-colonial-something-something] and would want some piece of that and sometimes maybe forcefully, because apparently rich=victimizer not-rich=victim, if not by force then probably rally all similarly ignorant minded people with them and target you in many ways because your success must’ve definitely come from racism or something
@@josephmigwi8304 Why don't they just farm or failing that eat each other.
During Apartheid the land was stolen from the native Africans.
one good thing that came from the suffering is that people (even the youths) now understand the power of farming and the amount of money they can get through farming. Go now and you will see that many of them are making great strides in farming. only that the economy is bad and there is no capital to help small farmers but i see these people becoming powerful farmers in the near future. sometimes suffering is needed to prosper. the struggle to get land back was never going to be simple and smooth sailing
They're just shouting land, development but doing nothing for all. 42 yrs. They are boring us. There's no.regular money in the country
Those idiots removed the Human farmers and starved themselves as result. Why do they deserve to have Humans return to them?
Zimbabwe government must to do irrigation systems for farming in rural areas
Rhodesia had that system in-laws for the rural areas
So sad Rhodesia or so called Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 never reached its full potential.
Please never invite Gutu again he is just a bitter man looking for a position in this New Deception
That's true - this is a setup propaganda and as for now , let the immediate solution be foe the sake of Zimbabwean living in poverty ,poor condition and GDP below average ..while Africa standing-by .
We need African Solution for this one.
National Forum and Stable government and party stability.
...Make Africa Great Again Project...
Just wondering why the government couldn't spend that kind of money to educate some of its own people in formal agricultural studies. Maybe develop some homegrown business Talent. It almost seems like they are trying to get themselves back on the global stage by trying to impress Europe and the West. Hey everybody look over here. We are peaceful. Look we are giving all of these people their land back. We are safe place to invest. We are not the same way we used to be. You know what I mean?
Exactly. Totally right. It's not even rocket science. If you want sustainable production in any sector you invest in the skills and necessary mechanisms to make sure that happen. But sadly, the government does not see it that way.
@@thomasmbiba5558 you said the key word Thomas. "sadly"
I can't stand it. Why some people live a lavish life and others have to watch how much water they use. God help us please. We need Earth's people to love one another
The problem is that People with education just leave
True. The Government should try to understand why the people Mugabe gave land to failed to use it productively. The White farmers might make better use of the land but they aren't passing on their knowledge and experience to help the country.
@@GlasPthalocyanine I'm sure the people hate to hear such things but it's hard not to notice how the white farmers have success and the ones that are given an opportunity can't seem to match their Productions. It seemed to be similar for the South Africans. The Boers set up for success and hired the locals. The locals had employment and the Farms were producing. Then when the locals took over. The Farms we're almost useless. It was like sleight of hand. They passed back the Farms to the Boers so they could increase productivity and get things back to normal again. It's impossible for the government to not know this! I mean if people like you and me know it how the heck do they not. So therefore there's some kind of hidden agenda
Sanctions WILL NOT be lifted on Zimbabwe no matter if paid the evicted white farmers 3.5b USD and gave them all of the lands; they will be punished for the next 100 years.
Just like Haiti.
true. the sooner they understand this they can start empowering their own people with capital investments
Of course. They must make a lesson out of them, lest other African countries resolve to go the same route and seek to recover their stolen land.
They want regime change, as long as Zanu is in power, they will NEVER lift sanctions.
There will be sanctions until Zimbabwe is a democracy and free society. Whether or not that will happen is up to those who run the country. The time has long gone when Africans can blame the Colonial Past for current failure, however comfortable, and politically expedient, that lazy path may be.
Africans must wake up!
This is peace.
Like hati....whn entire country was given independence..look what didn't happin. As whell
i thought after independence and no whites in the land (Zimbabwe )would turn into a beautiful developed utopia but I was wrong,Zimbabwe went from utopia to dystopia,^_~
You Europeans never mention foreign intervention. Never state European policy towards these countries. You are a complete idiot who only sees what you want when you want
@@carljules834 don't even bother with them idiots. He can't even spell Hatti. British colonies that gained independence and took the queen's image of their currency were subject to devaluation.
Except unlike Haiti, Zimbabwe has all the resources a country could want except oil.
@John Rowan "TBH" The best thing for the people and the land of zimbabwe is a new government ...."CUZ"a house full of donkeys can't Lead anything-the biggest problem in africa is leadership,the so called leaders are very corrupt and thieves-basically useless,make the whole government (white) that's the best thing "that's the only solution and i can assure zimbabwe would become a developed country!!!!
back in time when i was young I always knew that by chucking white farmers on their farms was completely bad which led to the recession of zimbabwean economy,,,they should,ve known that those white farmers were also zimbabwean citizens they also had right to have that land despite what had happened in the past that was history and it is not their fault since white famers were evicted on their farms the republicans started to experience food insecure in some remote area of the country which dramatically increased over the period of time in many other entire parts of the country
It wouldve been better if they had simply taxed them for school to industrialise, and let the white farmers be the farmers
It wasn't just the white farmers, it was everyone from the old regime. Every black farmer too.
The land reform was to please Mugabes followers, even though they had no idea what to do with the land. The outcome was the starvation of millions.
G-D will Bless them if they do the right thing !,if it’s not done properly there will be no change. It can only get worse. Ein Od Milvado!!!!!!!!!Hashem Echad !!!!!!!!!G-D knows the Hearts 💕 and minds of man “HE “Made us. If you are planning just to use for your own benefit ?,it will just be as previously said. OtherwiseG-D will not allow it to happen !!!
The mdc and other opposition parties fighting for power are not even considering what is happening to the life of the then farm workers not even 1 party said something about these people of which some are still staying in those dead farms. Let the former farmers come and utilise the land for the benefit of zimbabweans
I love the fact that Vince being a White man sounds absolutely like a native Zimbabwean and I think that's because he is 👍🏿😊🙏🏿
Vince Musewe chaiye? Murungu wekupi iye ane zita rakadaro?
This is sick. Teach your people how to farm smh
They konow but then un and its rasist ally usa puts sanction on country
@@sinclairfresh1828 sanctioning a country that has done discriminatory racist policies is common sense
Most workers of these farms were black, they knew how to farm. But they got beaten and killed too.
100 trillion Zimbabwe dollars = 44 American pennies.
lol😄
Bora bora bora
Ur 100 percent right dont save them
God bless Zimbabwe and her people.
now they know that even if they had a huge land they can"t get enough out of it...because they lack the Knowledge,Tools and Skills needed........
@Marshall Mutambudzi don't mind that idiotic fool talking rubbish 🙄
@Marshall Mutambudzi LOL....... Bro all they knew was just a traditional way of FARMING which is FRANKLY not that useful in this present time...
@Marshall Mutambudzi Bro if your ancient people were successful on their own methods then why they still need those white people? ... It seems like it's hard for you to admit that without them this land would be nothing...
Lol, what arrogance.
@@uekihunter752 the primitive farming before they came were equally sufficient for their own lifestyle whatever it is Zimbabwe is suffering from now began from the need to protect few imperial system of land ownership and the effects of one man standing up in anger of being cheated on and unleashing his own shair of inhumanity (which I don't condone) for the interests of social justice. Lack of knowledge is far from this issue otherwise u could have cited corruption and greed instead of undermining the potential of Zimbabweans at large
This topic always gives me the chuckles, how to make 1 grow when previously there grew 100
Again disappointed with the Panel Chosen by Al Jazeera, its 2 ZANU PF agents Vs Rejoice Ngwenya on the Panel. We need unbiased opinion please please Al Jazeera English!!????????
Sounds like a scam lol. I'm guessing most of these people are in the UK, US, Australia by now and are most likely retired. If the farms aren't being used, then rather make a programme to restore the farm and increase production. My guess is there isn't a problem of a lack of workers but farm owners
The workers are there , but you don't just need farm owners, you need farm owners that are farmers.
The only way forward for the whole of Africa is to become one united country again, like it was before Europeans slave trade and the Berlin treaty chopped the whole continent up. It can be done look at USA, Australia, Canada etc. Africa has the fastest growing economies in the world and Zimbabwe should hang in there, they will rise again.
@@conclusively1 you are dreaming my friend. The USA, CANADA and Australia have one common language and predominantly Christian, that why it works as one country there. Africa is too diverse and people like to rule for ever here.
Many are now in neighboring countries
I suspect most of the white farmers are now deceased. Some of their children or grandchildren might still be alive but know nothing of Zimbabwe 🇿🇼
Let hope Zimbabwe do well in future?
No to that.
Who took/seized whose land ? How did the white Zimbabweans aquire their large tracts of land ?
When you look closely, you will find out it was sold to the white farmers.
It was worthless land to the native population, until they saw with their own eyes what you can achieve with knowledge and hard work.
Then that turned into envy and the myth of the stolen land was born.
by livng there and then buying it. like everyone else.
What? The people of Zimbabwe had their lands seized off them in the first place. These people will move mountains to take what does not belong to them.
The people of zimbawe Are nearly extinct for hundrets of Years... they where either killed or enslaved by tribes that Moved in from the north West
Thats why we need to have the will and determination they have and fight them down to the last to make sure they don't take any thing.
Whites purchased the land … and helped economy but now, lol it’s no good.
Hope it isn't a facade
Shameful
This farmers should take good care of the workers as well
British farmers must to go back to Britain and farm there viva african farmers
Zanu pf does not know whether they are coming or going and one of the most evil regimes out there
Unfortunately it’s so deep rooted in Zimbabwe’s government I doubt it will ever rid itself of ZANU-pf. It holds back what should be the most successful country in Africa.
@Martie Oberholzer you mean mnangagwa? Because Mugabe died 2 years after the coup iirc
Do they seriously not have BOOKS and cannot teach themselves to farm? Too stupid to stop shooting themselves in the foot.
Zimbabweans should have a referendum on this..... 😂😂😂
Refurumdum is needed.
For now , we need to handle the immediate challenge of the nation
African solution needed.
BIG discussion later on...
Make Africa Great
All I hear is sanctions destroying Zimbabwe. How is that possible when it is only the UK and USA that are applying sanctions. The real reason is that the politicians and their friends have taken the land for themselves and left it unproductive. It's an African thing where there is no will to commercially produce food on a large scale as is done elsewhere. There should be no excuse as Africa has the best remaining farming land in the world.
Its possible, you do not understand global finance. UK and USA control virtually all international trade. China was poorer than Africa until USA and UK lifted its sanctions in the 70s and 80s. Sanctions block you from importing capital goods. Have you never heard of apartheid in SA? SA apartheid gov't was brought down by USA sanctions alone.
UK and USA have quiet good amount weather and power and influence. Even I agree the politician are corrupt and dont care hunger or poor
@@hernandayolearyallda
And also China adopted capitalist reforms to its economy.
It's easier to blame the white man...
That Hassam guy couldnt care less what 'fact' was spoken
Many people with OVERWEIGHT... so not so bad.
Mnangagwa is a traitor
Now that Black Panther is gone. So to dies Wakanda
Too late
Britain and America should compensate the farmers. They put Mugabe in goverment.
All fine growing tabbaco but that's not feeding the people
Plus splitting up land into small lots with the idea people could grow and feed themselves is crazy
Only as a collective could it have ever worked
Wrong or right least the big farms provided regular work housing and even schools
And also, the big farms kept the country fed.
Yeah I would rather the scarce resource of land be used for food
Production. But the tobacco is a
Cash crop which is badly needed
Cash from exports. The government can use its share for
Funding of government services like health care.
Horrible seizing land and now Zimbabwe 🇿🇼 absolute DISASTER
This is actually laughable Vince denies it right to the end and then agrees that it is a pr exercise.
I thought I’m the one who saw that. Besides he started on a high being emotional with no substance....Some Economists🤦🏽♂️
They realise that they will actually make money for Zimbabwe if they tax the farmers !!!
Government can not create industrialization so they lure people to talk the land.
But agriculture industry grown only if it owned by few people who can produce not by giving to individual people by pieces.
thomas jefferson watch how it end the country just want to get out of sanction
20 years ago? Please be accurate AJ ,
He's not wrong the seizures started roughly 20 years ago
The new President of Zimbabwe Mr. Emerson Managwa, after the death of the founding Father of Zimbabwe, Mr. Robert Mugabe, is observed after taking office requested the stationing of a USA army base in Zimbabwe. Thereafter, the new President is observed to reverse the farming and land policies of the founding Father of Zimbabwe. Observers, and the Southern African Economic Community are watching very closely the behaviors and policies of the new government of Zimbabwe.
Mzilikazi was the founding father mugabe was a british puppet
Mmmm
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Not the greedy ones we know will ever return the land no chance it’s just an act to make it look good
Too Late! Awe Why reverse it? They great at Starving their own People. It would have been a sight to see Zimbabwe depopulate by half or Three Quarters.
Why is he giving a speech in a football stadium?
Are you that stupid
ZANUPF IS NOW FULL OF CONFUSION AND WHAT ABOUT WHAT THEY DID IN MATEBE AND MIDLANDS
Even Zimbabwean analysts are contradicting each other. Could this be a question of some degree of indoctrination or plain stupidity? ZIDERA Act of the US, was essentially a reaction to the Land Issue and will continue to maintain sanctions against the country for future decades (Zimbabwe will be the Cuba of Africa). In the meantime, all Zimbabwean political analysts need to grow up and mature enough to seek the interests of the country by finding a common ground.
This shows the realities of race.
Corrupt obviously
And deficient in intelligence.
My Question to Mr President Munangangwa is how many Black natives were compensated when the Scotts n English forcibly took away the Africans Land ?!??
Why even compensate these colonial racists
Because they developed the land, allowing the black population to grow by millions
So U mean, without the whites Zimbabwe wouldn't have developed, if thats the case then lets take a leaf from Ethiopia which was never colonized
Lets call a spade a spade, truth is that the white racist colonialists from Britain(Scotland) enslaved Zimbabwe till 1980 they took away land from natives forcefully without giving them an option, the same is being done in reverse to turn the tide, but all U whites are talking about is compesation, the compesation that they didn't give to black ancestors of Southern Africa yet they have the audacity to claim compesation, it not until U look into your selves n see dat what U did was not only wrong but also inhuman, immoral and unethical, only then will U have the right response to give to the world thnx
oliver what do you mean allowing them you all pink skin are so full of shtttts
Most of it was sold to white farmers and then stolen. The people had no idea how to farm before a single European came to this land.
The language used by this news report is very troubling... he is painting the black people with negative words and and with the whites friendly words.
If Zimbabwean government give Zimbabwean lands to the White European immigrants, Black people living in Europa must ask compensation from White European countries and USA for slavery ! Period.
good said
Why?
black people should ask black people for compensation for slavery
Don't worry yourself my African Queen, If is going to be war that will drive out those Europeans and Indians from Asian Pacific who are coming to live permanent forever in Africa freely from their own decisions no one enslave or force them to come to Africa now they are claiming ownership and claiming to be real Africans that is impossible because you can't cover the moon , the difference is clear and history is very clear they must go back to Europe and Asia where they rightful belongs to or else war will kick them out in war mood.
@Sally Africans enslaved other Africans and sold their own people of the coast to European ships. Europe had nothing to do with the enslavement of a single African.
But it's easier to blame the white man, instead to learn history.
finally rights for whites in zimbabwe, now turn to south africa
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Why is Africans giving up their lands? How many Africans went to Europe and took land?
@blind siren you imbecile, moron POS. I don't know what $hi7 hole you came out of. But keep your simp moronic comments to yourself!!!
@@joshua2329 Most former workers were black and they had the knowledge too. But they suffered the same fate like the white farmers. It was never about "reversing colony policies", it was only about power and the land was given to Mugabes followers, without exception. Zimbabwe paying the price for it.
@D Harr What we no call Spain and Portugal was ruled by Africans for over 700 years, At least 20 million Europeans were enslaved by African invaders for over 1000 years.
How about you learn some history before writing bullshit.
Nothing controversial about who owns the land, the land is for us all who are Zimbabweans
You are right, Zimbabwe needs a turn around, why should people continue to suffer and die. 🇿🇼🙏
Mnangagwa must first compensate the original owners of the land
@Scratchy Ballzack No it does not.
Zim really needs the white farmer to return now, more than ever before.
Whites are Zimbabweans too. Remember that.
The land is being given back because the black farmers don't know how to use the land therefore it is not being given out of good faith
However it is the first thing that can improve the agriculture in Zimbabwe
Going backwards instead of forward, sad.
SANCTIONS SANCTION SACTIONS
My opinion as a Zimbabwean. I do not support any compensation to anyone claiming that they had land expropriated from them. Compensating anyone would put a judicial precedent damaging to not only Zimbabweans but all other African countries that still have the yoke of colonialism on them. Who ever thinks he should be compensated should go to his country of Origin and demand it from their country of origin. The government should not entertain any of those claims. We do not as Zimbabweans want that. If it is improvement of the economy its our baby as Zimbabweans. We went through the record inflation where our money was valueless, afforded to buy sugar that serves one tea pot, cooking oil that cooks one meal, etc. We did that and experienced that for the sake of holding on to our land. NOW YOU ARE RUNNING TO YOUR COLONISER AND SAY COME BACK AND PUT BACK THE YOKE OF COLONIALISM, TAKE MY LAND, ..........I SAY NO!
Hamilton Madzore I think Africa was better off as a group of colonies.
@Sean Tottenham Your right about the agricultural subsidies when im working there a lot of the food on the shelves are from outside Africa, the locals told me that it has caused mass unemployment in the farming industry.
@Sean Tottenham I dont know if its true but a some guys I was talking to said theres no tariffs or tariffs are to low on imports also they cant afford the fertilizers needed for intensified farming.
@Sean Tottenham I was in Tanzania but a lot of the guys I was training were from west Africa
@Hamilton Madzore Sounds like you have no idea about the history of your people. Farming was not a skill your people had before the colonization by European powers. Your ancestors had it worse, far worse. But you wanted to go back to the old ways of enslaving and selling each other. Millions starved for your myths.
While should they return farm to the white farmers who are not even indigenous peoples
They create jobs and products etc 1:00 look how happy they are😉
They are the ones who ended the famine. Without white farmers the people would starve again
@@darylatkinson8802 "Exactly "and that's why they are begging the white farmers to come "Back"Lol,"SMH" why kick them out in the beginning" experts have warned them many many times,but the government of zimbabwe never cared,funny logical "Quote"if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.....😂
Thorz. I don’t think u have eyes the video is long again fool
Daryl Atkinson ur father is the one feeding them?
Garrh
How many non Arabs own Qatari land they took by force? I'll wait...........
Aaaa please stop playing the victim, admit that you cant do the job.
Remedies paid in form of Reparations and Property allocatins to illegitimate land occupiers is a model worth repeating.
These white farmers mustnt invest it that bribes... Zanu is kak
black white yellow pink grey red, we are all Zimbabweans
This president is not wise can't you give the monies to your own people to revamp the farming sector.. how many zims own lands in foreign lands..you keep behaving like you can't survive without them.
20 years show they clearly can't. Millions starved.
Black/African people always seem to think they are entitled because of the colonial past. Yet they are still not capable of handling things, the same as their forefathers which is why Europeans could take advantage of them in the first place.
Entitled is a strong word. If Europeans kept to themselves & stayed out of lands they had no business in then none of this would be occurring.
Exactly.
@@pumpkin03 Africans did the same in Europe for over 700 years.
We bought the land. Simple a that.
Sick of hearing about us bad British colonialists. Gave them
Independence and they let themselves get ripped off by their
Own leaders.
Mugabe destryoed their country.White people they just color is white but they all are bornning in Zimbawe and they also their country citizen.
Citizens by colonization??
Gutu rants and is bereft of any academic and sensible talk.. The guy is an empty head.
animals.
Blah blah blah. Treacherous nonsense
They also need to change the attitude of arrogance
the wonders of zimbongo land .mubarbies history of blood guts and bankrupt . no hope china owns zim
Gar4y
Africa should sanction Zimbabwe, bunch of weak leaders. Europe didn’t return Africa wealth, art, let alone compensate for the damages.
MortalZeus throughout history people took advantage of the week. This was all countries and races. The fact that Europeans were able to subjugate the world to its will hundreds of years ago does not mean they need to apologize for it or compensate the weaker people who still have no capability of their own.
@@philosophyofthestars and why is that pride??? but whites should receive apologies for losing their farms i dont support land seizure but....
This decision is one of the unfortunate things ever happen to the struggle of black people
But in all fairness, what good is having land if you don't know how to make use of it? This is where Mugabe ultimately screwed up. Giving land to political friends and those in no position to farm resulting in food shortages and famine and a country no longer able to feed itself.
You need white people in order for Africans to eat.
Every person on this planet struggles in life. Or do you say black people are too stupid to learn? Africa is ruled by Africans, and only Africans can make a change.
Those people welcoming those farmers back sure don't seem to think so.
@@shauncameron8390 Zimbabweans knows how to work the land. It is only the Illegal sanctions that prevent prosperity in Zimbabwe
The Land land belongs to the indigenous people..
Then keep it and starve
Scratchy Ballzack while I don’t agree that they can’t run anything or need white people, I think it would be foolish to destroy your country just because of racism and xenophobia
If your born on the land then you are indigenous to it, these white farmers coming back were born in Zimbabwe so yes the indigenous are getting the land back
@@mistergnat638 That they were born there doesn't mean they're indigenous ....
Are their fore fathers indigenous ? .... How did the white manage to get the land out the first place?
The lands belongs to people before they took it
Land for land sake is useless to anyone.
Give back the land to it orginal owners period NO Controversy at All No where in Europe black people own land
They did and failed
@@meganvolker3075 Well nothing will change then we Africans should not complain thank God for Mugabe
Plenty of black people own land in Europe.... what are you on about?
@@AChannelFrom2006 In your dreams not in Europe they might own property but not land perhaps African leaders with stolen wealth will buy properties in Europe not the average black person
@@zokpa856 Maybe you should learn History and stop writing bullshit. Parts of Europe was conquered and enslaved for over 700 years by African rulers. At least 20 million Europeans were deported to Africa.
No European ever enslaved a single African, Africans enslaved other Africans and sold them to European ships of the coast of West Africa.
Africans are in no way victims.
Don’t be fooled! they never owned the land
Headache 101 who 'owns' land? Are you saying they did not own it because they were not natives? You realize if you go back far enough the natives most likely took it from other natives?
philosophyofthestars no I do believe there are some who purchased the land but the majority is inherited from grandfather who attend the land illegally.... its a confusing matter because the son now pays the grandparents sins.... white natives belong in Southern Africa but things must be corrected! I’m from Ethiopia and we expelled majority of our Italian and French natives but I support legal entrance if they wish to return to their farms and country of birth
I believe even if they give u asmall peice of land u can’t develop it, but thank white people who use it well for food and economy.
Robert Mugabe was 🤴🏾🤴🏾🤴🏾 r.i.p and thank you for giving the black people lands back what was robbed