YUGOSLAV HAMMER
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- This was never intended to be a conclusive representation of precision and accuracy for either rifle. Just a simple test in austere conditions. The uneven terrain, blackflies, heat, low grade ammo and my over-all performance should not be confused with either rifle's ability to shoot.
I am not making any general statements regarding accuracy however its is an interesting comparison based on limited information.
History is written through the filter of its authors. In your opinion if you hear un-factual information in this video please identify the time index, the subject and your information source(s).
I hope most of you find the video interesting and hope you are all doing well.
Warm regards
RC
00:00:00 Intro Video
01:01.07 Chapter One - The People
02:19.28 Chapter Two - Josip Broz Tito
03:42.18 Chapter Three - The Powder Keg
07:26.19 Chapter Four - The End User
09:32.14 Chapter Five - Shooting Tests
21:23.24 M48 Final Thoughts
28:14.21 Exit Video
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"Diversity does not make us strong, Unity does" im have to use this
As if they’re in opposition or mutually exclusive lolol
@@reccecs4They objectively are. And the fact that you can't have a serious conversation makes me immediately dismiss your opinions.
How did that “unity” in commie socialist Yugoslavia work out? How did that diversity fair ? It ended in a blood bath, and the commie socialist leader of Yugoslavia was a socialist tyrant just like the rest of them.
they would have faired better with the axis than with the communists and stalin that’s for shure-the communist ussr was responsible for far mor death genocide and atrocity than the Nazis in realistic analysis of history and were more brutal and tyrannical.
but the communist ussr was the anglosphere elite/atlantacist establishment (the wests proto globalists)old guards puppet pet project science experiment/socio political data gathering social experiment and were they’re controlled oppositional force to create the east west hegalian dialectic and justify they’re establishment of a global!st liberal world order
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wherethe same British establishment who educated Marx anf guided him, are the same ones funding the ussr. So when you hear the current marxist ideologies of diversity and equity spouted by the British establishment and london banking elite and the rothschild j connection is it any real surprise?
the ussr commies would have never been able to defend themselves, upkeep their nation, sustain their nation, create adequate arms and resources without the generous and bountiful support of western powers,
liberal world order banking powers and the lords of london/anglosphere establishment-just research how the west helped create, orchestrate the rises, and sustainment of communism and the ussr.
look up the British wealthy elites and 1% known as TANKIES (who supported Stalin running over protestors/civilians with tanks)who were staunch communists and socialists and supporters of stalin in their countryside stately manors,
who’s children have now turned the west into this tyrannical leftist world gov. Stalin would be proud of.
How these same tankies, western leftist are bringing the good old marxist virtues of diversity and equity, tyranny to the west…
the history you were taught in school is lies, and the first reply on this thread shows just how brainwashed the sheeple of the west truly are.
I've never seen another video about 98 Mausers where somebody put the effort in like you did. Great to see period clothing too. Really really enjoyed this thank you for making this the way you did. 👍🏻
Mauser really got a lot of things right with that rifle, however it almost seems to be a rifle designed exclusively for shooting from a standing or kneeling position. In those positions it runs for ME quite well. The buttplate angle and usual lack of texture on it does ME no favors from the prone position. The long bolt stroke and slippery buttplate requires a complete reset between shots. The American iteration really lends itself to prone shooting, tho the sighitng system on the 03a3 was certainly set up for target shooting instead of quick target acquisition. During your Cabin Fever challenges, I give solid props and raised eyebrows to anyone that chooses to give it a go with a Mauser iteration. Thank you for all you do for the shooting community. The video was awesome.
My father in law was Slovenian born in 1935 and lived as a young boy through the German and Italian occupation of Yugoslavia. He had some interesting stories from his time as a child. In one case the Italians where in his area and stayed in a barn in his town and him and another boy hid one of the Italians rifles in the hay, dropping it through the cracks in the floor of the barn into the hay below which they retrieved the next day. He didn't know what the rifle was but explained that it was a short rifle with a bayonet that folded back, so a short Carcano. He described how when the Germans marched through that it took days for the whole unit to pass through his town. Fire fights that happened near his farm, dead fighters on the road into his town, the most dead he had ever seen. He didn't like the Italians and described how they knocked all the birds out of the trees to eat. Whenever partisans fired at the Italians they would scream Momma Mia and run off.
Exposing children to that level of trauma and violence has long term implications. He probably suffered from it his whole life.
My father was born in 1926 and died early this year 96½ old.
Bombed out first day of the war (april 6 1941) saw his Jewish
girlfriend be thrown on a lorry never ro bee seen again, a cousin
tortured and shot. There is a long list.
He and his older brother joined Tiro partizans before Italians capitulated.
He was taught loading grip and that was his whole military training before
first assault. At the time they where more hunted than hunted, very
inexperianced and sought soft targets: Italians. It was "learning on the job".
His order was run forward and pick up a gun from a fallen. In the Italian
trench he still had no gun. But a young Italian had.
"He was so good looking in his new uniform, with black feathers and all !"
my Dad said.
This is how my dad got his first gun, a Carcano carbine.
There are lot more to be said.
Most important is that to his last day he stood by Ukraine.
"Germans did in Yugoslavia what Russians do in Ukraine."
de SA3BOW
Glad to see You have made a recent Video!! Thank You Rifle Chair we Missed You from the USA
One thing I particularly noted about Yugo Mausers is that they were making them under contract a hundred years ago. They were using them in World War 1. So I have faith that my Yugo captured, refurbished and re-blued K98K Mauser is about as good as they get. The Serbian Army holding off the Austrian invasion under grueling conditions in the first World War is a thing of legend. There's certainly a story behind my stick of wood and steel, kinda wish I knew what it was. I just wish Prvi was making WW1 or WW2 spec 8mm instead of that anemic 200gr junk loaded to 2000 feet per second; then I'd be a happy camper indeed. Tito was really a great man - held a country together throughout a horrifying crisis and stood at the chasm of the Cold War. A great story is that he sent Stalin a letter asking him to stop sending people to kill him. It really is a tragedy, the history of the Balkans - hundreds of years of tragedy. And much of the worst of it had its roots in World War 2. I am always stunned that the Germans were actually shocked by the violence during the genocide in Yugoslavia, carried out under their auspices. They admitted that it would be worse to try to do something about it and fail, so they let it continue. I think much of the world hated Tito, but they respected him.
Find some Turk surplus 8x57mm ammo. It's very HOT 😅
This was a very good video showcasing these Mauser rifles, especially in period clothes! Well done my friend!. I love collecting the Mauser rifle in all its forms- from the perfect 41 AX K98k, the M98 with only the Yugo crest applied yet all German markings, a 1918a model, and a Turkish model so far. I still have to get an M24-even with that medium action-they are a very capable and accurate shooter with a full battle rifle cartridge. It was a really good side by side/off-on bayo shooting and a history lesson to go along. Great job!!
Yugo Mausers were a great deal around 2000 when i had my C&R. I got a Yugo M24/47, M48 and 3 German K98k. Never paid over $100 each. Hate the Yugo crest, but the guns are great.
Great video. I have an M48B variant. After refinishing the stock, having cerakote done to all the metal (except the bolt), and honing the action with Arkansas stones, the rifle functions beautifully. It’s an excellent shooter. I’m now setting it up with a BadAce scout scope mount since my prescription glasses cause a parallax using iron sights. As you experienced, the rifle gets hot, and remains so for a long time after shooting. My stock was sweating from it.
Hi from the Bluenose province, really enjoyed the history, lest we forget!🍁🍁🍁🍁🍁
Hi Richard, thank You for the video. It brings old memories back. I would just like to add that as a young shooter in Yugoslavia I was told that the stocks were made out of cooked(boiled) beech wood. I am not excluding the possibility of elm being used, just that I have never heard of it.
Thanks again.
Regards,
Denis
Definitely not beech on the M48 its Elm. Beech was used in laminated German K98k stocks.
I have a couple of M48's. They are top notch.
Awesome video. Love my M48!
And having spent two deployments in Bosnia back in the mid-90's adds a connection to the rifle.
I have a rebuilt Yugoslav k98k. Its a hell of a rifle. Bought it years ago when they were dirt cheap
Love the history, and the firearms
Appreciate the history behind the rifle that you provided at the beginning of the video. Also, elm grain is my favourite. Attractive and strong stocks.
I love the Model 98 Mauser. It just such a robust, proven, and trustworthy rifle.
Great video! Really enjoyed the comparison. Thank you!
Good history talk we enjoy a lot. Thanks.
Thank you for this honest and very good narration.
Tito had many faults - so did the nation he built. But I am still convinced it was the best they ever had.
Thank you also for the very good demonstration of the Zastava M48! I own a Zastava M57 and I can confirm that it clearly can't hold up to what I am used to in terms of quality (being a swiss shooter). But that never was the point about those products anyway. The goal was to bring a country of illiterate peasants from serfdom into modernity within just one generation and build an independent nation for them. No yugoslav would pretend that their cars, their planes and their arms could compete with - say - german products in terms of quality and even the train drivers would probably beat each other up to gain the privilege of driving one of the diesel locomotives that Kennedy once donated to them when he visited the place. But those who grew up during the 1940's to 60's still take pride in the achievements and the progress that country made in that time as before they simply had NOTHING (no industry, no skilled workforce - only plum trees, limestone canyons filled with bandidts and rocky beaches). So sad it had to eventually fall apart due to its own misconceptions, old demons it never really overcame and mal intended outside influence. But that's another story.
I got an M48 from my boss a while back and I love it, it's beautiful and fits right in with the other Mausers I have. But one thing I noticed is it has a little sharper recoil than my 98k 1938 S/27. Which I don't really understand. Shooting the same 198 gr SP, the barrel lengths are similar, but the 98k is just the better shooter in my opinion. I still really like the M48 though. Built at a time when it was unbelievably obsolete in military terms, but hey, it got the job done. I'm sure glad they made them. I managed to scrounge up a bayonet for it and it really completed its look.
Love seeing the cabin fever target! Excellent shooting sir. That 8mm does certainly get hot at the front sight when shooting.
7,9_mm:Yugodlav M48
Outstanding History lesson!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
Nice video! Super Shooting! I love my M48 Yugo!!
Wow, very impressive video. Thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Excellent video, very good comments. Compliments !
I really like my 24/47 - very nice quality build, machining is better than decent. Took a deer with it, 170gr round nose + cfe223 is a *highly* effective combo.
I have an M48B, looks like late productions. Stamped parts, all matching numbers except the stock, which is normal, and very nice blueing. The bore is bright, looks like it was never issued.
I don't know if you can make any comparison of accuracy with only one example of each. Pretty much all military rifles of the era came off the line with a broad range of precision. The build quality is another thing though. It would be nice to see a close comparison with a later M48.
You're right the sample is too low to say anything with confidence. This us simply a look into one example from two specific periods. I understand T values confidence limits and basic statistics but to accomplish this as a RUclips channel would be impossible.
You are right in principle. Just comparing one example of each model is not evidence enough to reach a conclusion. Still I think it's good enough to demonstrate the difference in quality between a standard 1930's M98k and an (early) M48 which is more or less undisputed and to which probably even Zastava workers would agree to. You have to remember that germany had much a longer tradition in the production of quality firearms and a far greater pool of skilled labour that knew how to handle a lathe or a mill. Especially in the early days of the SFRJ the average foreman was a worker that had some previous experience while the average worker was a traineee.
I guess my comment is a bit obvious. I do think that precision and aesthetic finish are two different things. My nasty Carcano holds it's own with my pretty Swede.@@Riflechair
Great video like always. 👍
Nice episode. Particular thanks for the history excursion! Guns are indeed the keepers of history.
P.S. Amazing group without the bayo. Most people can't do that with the scope off the rest.
Guns definitely encourage me to learn more about what they were used for (and why).
I’ve owned a few Yugo M48s and refurbed K98s. The refurbed K98s are much better in my opinion… great shooters, actually amazing shooters. My ar41 Yugo Refurb was my favorite.
Great video. Cheers!
I came to this video expecting a bunch of wrong information on the yugoslavian mausers and reworked k98ks by some Fudd. I can positively say I was proven wrong.
Great video!
You do great mil surp videos. I got rid of my surplus Mausers and only have an old 1873 Springfield 45-70 and an beautiful M1917.
You could arguably leave the bayonet on. It cetered the shots with a slightly larger group. Good shooting. Good thing you didn't have a mg 42 ripping off rounds at you. The terrain there was a great ally to gorilla warfare. Thank you for the history breakdown. I guess the bayonet probably wasn't a gorilla style weapon. Paul Mauser really in his own roght had the number one design for a bolt action rifle even to this day.
Thanks for the video. Made me wish to see you try later Zastava Mausers, like military M69 sniper rifle (meant to replace older M48s with soviet sights) and modern production M70.
I would love to play with the M69
@@Riflechair I've never had the joy of handling one, but I suspect that the main difference from M70 is the stock and the scope that goes in pack with it.
Do you know if Zrak facility in Bosnia is still in business? The one that made sights for Yugoslavian army. It seems like they've stopped updating their site few years ago and I don't seem to be able to find their newer scopes anywhere for sale. Except for some weird Australian place.
My Yugo Hammers are beautiful rifles that fuction like a fine sewing machine...I have many.
Not too shabby with the German on a hot day with those barleycorn sights . Bayonet corrected the windage - probably acting as a damper. High with both rifles too. You really didn’t look comfortable shooting there and maybe a sling would fix that? My VZ33 could and did shoot sub MOA with tuned loads when I was young and all things were possible. I’m taking the German when it counts but would happily own both. I’ve seen some nicely finished Zastava 98s too. Thanks for sharing. 👍🏻
I frequently shoot with sling support and in this case it would have been very appropriate. By the way these Yugo M98 slings have no adjustability but I can still get at least one wrap around the forearm supported by the lower tricep.
Great video, interesting history.
My 48 is pretty beat up but runs fine. Feed ramp is stamped but matching to the rifle. Rest is original 48.
Nice work. Mauser sights are increasingly challenging for these old eyeballs. My sole Yugo Mauser was a sanitized version sent to the Syrians, and captured by the Israelis. Worked pretty smoothly, probably due to quite a bit of use. Gave it to my nephew, who now has a good shooting Mauser. At least he can still see well, and utilize it to it's full potential.
Failing vision is terribly depressing. My visual acuity is not what it used to be and so I have prescription lenses. The less screen time I have the better my vision is. I use prescription safety eye wear for open sight applications. I am definitely thankful for adjustable focus on today's rifle scope and binocular eye pieces.
@@Riflechair As am I. Scopes, red dots, and aperture sights are becoming really helpful. My corrective lenses are fine for seeing the target with V-notch iron sights, but then the front sight is blurred. Without correction, the front sight's pretty sharp, but the target gets fuzzy. Getting older sucks, but option B is much less attractive.
I scoped my worst Yugo K98k for a ersatz sniper deer rifle. Bore is decent and it's quite accurate. It was already wrecked because of the Yugo crest, a bent triggerguard, and a replacement Yugo stock with no takedown disc.
@@browngreen933 Did you see a hole in the side of the Buttplate? That was where the hole was moved to late war. Though the stock on my Yugo KAR98K is a early war hardwood stock with the takedown disk.
@@michaelbenjmitchell1
No, my K98k Yugo replacement stock has the early style flat buttplate not the cup type. It has the sling slot, but no takedown tube/disc.
I enjoyed very much the historical presentation. Samples of just one rifle for each type do limit conclusions, but clearly the bayonet does cause the guns to group the shots higher. If accuracy testing was the goal I would have used sand bags and shot the guns from a rest.
My Yugoslav is the M24/47 and is very smooth and accurate
I Would argue that the m48 is the best looking 8mm mauser.
Wish i could've got an M48 back in the early 2000's when they were $199 in arsenal new condition.
These rifles are nice even in the early form. Milled quality is not going to be reproduced by modern stuff and depending on what you have it will last longer than most if taken care of. Good morning and enjoy your day today.
I wish I could use Mauser sights. I love everything else about them but my eyes are terrible. A Mauser with a peep sight is my dream but I don't believe in modifying surplus because they're part of history.
I have also had low to intermediate success with PPU ammunition. I have also found it to be underpowered in the 8x57J round. What experience do you have with other PPU ammo?
It is definitely underpowered compared to full house 8X57 handloads or S&B grade factory ammo. I also need to have my rear sights set to 300m in order to hit near my point of aim at 100m with tht PPU and generally prints 4-6" low and groups have never been great. PS: RWS also makes good quality 8X57 factory ammo. To be honest I'm shooting the PPU in this video because I needed the empty brass for more handloads and getting ready for hunting season.
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I have a Yugoslavian Brno TGF .22 LR military training Rifle, and I can assure you that with Iron sights I can castrate a fly at 50 meters, with my x4 scope on it I can hit anything the size of a gopher within 100 meters if I adjust for windage and elevation. it is BY FAR the most accurate .22 I have ever owned and is my pride and joy. I also had a Czechoslovakian 5257 chambered in 7.62x39 that was every bit as accurate but was foolish enough to sell it so someone who wouldn't take no for an answer, I milked him for it though, but I still regret selling it because it was so accurate and so fun to fire. Czech and Yugoslavian guns are always worth buying, even if they are ugly, they are incredibly well engineered and will not disappoint you. the modern Rifle that cost so much are worth every penny! SO if you have the chance to buy some old Yugoslavian or Czech surplus rifles, grab them as fast as you can!!!! And don't worry about the money, because in 5 or 10 years, the thing will be multiple times it's worth you paid for it. I don't know how many people who've want to buy my TGF, every time I take it to the range I always get approached by someone who will offer me $500 for it. I bought the thing in the late 1980s at a mil-surp store for $150 (with original production leather shoulder strap) and then added an East German scope for an additional $50, the very same scope that is still mounted on it now. Well over 2 or 3 thousand Gopher have been eliminated by that rifle since I bought it, and the barrel is still like new. The only issue with it is the Cheap plastic butt plate, that was warped and cracked when I got it broke a few years back when I fired it at a range. I'll be printing off a new replica of it with my 3D printer this winter some time then perhaps make it into a mold and pour a firm silicon rubber copy of it. if you can buy one, you won't regret it! You were pointing out the beauty of the handle wood of your bayonet, it looks to me like it might be some kind of walnut.
You haven't been in my feed in a loooong time.
Life caught up to me in a real way. Built road, logged a patch and built a house during covid. I have learned that building a house during a global pandemic is a bad idea.
@@RiflechairAs long as the plumbing works,and the roof don't leak,you are golden.
I have an M48, #48964. Matching numbers on the stock and action. It looks new with no marks on the stock or metal. It seems to be still in its storage grease as the bolt is sticky, the firing pin releases slow and the stock is even sticky.
Do you have any idea what year this was made? What are the best products to clean the metal and wood?
Do you think the heat and fatigue could have affected the M48 groupings as that gun was shot second? Thanks
Yugoslavia was armed with the MAUSER system rifle even in the First World War, and this rifle is called M48, not M98.
M48, tough sights and tough kick
Probably a good thing the rifle is heavy
Hey yooo, was thinking of buying a eddystone 3006 sporter and it has a sight that set so im wondering if you would be able to do a video on your rifle with sights style non adjustable. I think it was on a husqvarna 3006 , the video of you and 3 dudes talking about end of the world rifles. Id take my 303 british remington p14 sporter. It was fully bedded and I add bbs in the rear of the stock to even out the weight. Now its heavy but you can carry it in the middle of the rifle with out the barrel hitting the ground. Id like to know what the close zero and far zero is on yours and the one im going to buy. The sights look the same . The rifle im looking at is a eddystone 3006 sporter with dovetailed rear sight on the barrel. Is it 600 yards, 400 , 200, 100 yard? Can you find out?
M48,cal.7,9mm
german mauser K98,CAL.8mm
It is much appreciated by me and I will leave it at that.
Riflechair, Can you imagine someone walking by and hearing shots go off when someone yells, "FIX...BAYONETS?"😮 I have shot a M48A and found it may have been built with a bit more care than what you showed, but my old K98 fed and shot better also. I also had an Israeli converted 7.62 K98 that I liked better than the original German. I kick myself because I gave it to a nephew who I don't believe appreciates it like I did. It is a good shooter and tough as a box of rocks (like most K98s). I appreciate other than K98 sights but they do the job. I think if the Germans or Yugoslavians had changed the sights like the M1903A3s, it would be appreciated as a shooter. I appreciate the difference in POA/POI with the bayonet but few show it. Good job.. By the way, your outfit looked sharp but you are a glutton for punishment to wear that wool in 90°f weather AND not find a shade tree to use. Nice to see you on video.
I do own a Yugo KAR98K and I also own a M1903A3. I still can't figure out why they say the KAR98 has a heavy recoil when shooting? I shot mine and it didn't kick my ass but when firing my M1903A3 it was kicking my ass due to the 185gr ammo I was putting through it. LOL
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Pretty good group without the bayonet... Ok with.
So 32 celsius is about 90 degrees.
Good video!
The video has 556 likes, let me fix that. There are better calibers out there 😉😄. Kind regards from Serbia, land of Zastava firearms since 1853.
Informative and entertaining. The Canadian Paul Harrel, only better. Two Maple leaf's way up!
He has 798K subscribers and and I have 15K. He is definitely winning! :)
City name is Kragujevac - Крагујевац.
Yes but I do not believe I am pronouncing it correctly.
21:15, to answer you, I'd take the K98K.
where in the world did you get the vintage yougo wool pants?
YUGO STUFF on ebay - go to www.ebay.ca/str/yugostuff and tell him Riflechair sent you
It's TANDJARA
Thank you for this video really interesting stuf about Yugoslavia
My m48 is 11973
When I turned 18, the first rifle that I bought was a Yugo captured K98k for $250. It is a great rifle, especially for that price and considering what they sell for now. I kind of wish that I would have bought a Russian captured one instead since those rifles still have all of their German markings in tact but I didn't know anything about those rifles at the time. I just knew that beater German K98ks were $500 and Yugo K98ks were $250 and much nicer so it was a no brainer for me.
I totally agree.
The Yugo Capture K98's were refurbed a little better than the Soviet captured ones. The bluing on the Yugos are correct to the K98 right down to how the rear sight was supposed to be blued even the bolt has the correct violet hue to it. With the Soviet ones everything was blued and the stock shellacked (Which isn't even beautiful!)
@@michaelbenjmitchell1 I agree that the Yugos look better, but it is still nice to have all of the original markings intact.
So did the Yugoslavs have warm weather uniforms?
Yes definitely
Keep that K98 shootin' iron. Change the ammo.
Good video. Of course you have to take these results with a bit o salt.
The real german K98K bayo does not touch the barrel.
This was never intended to be a conclusive representation of precision and accuracy for either rifle. Just a simple test in austere conditions. The uneven terrain, blackflies, heat, low grade ammo and my over-all performance should not be confused with either rifle's ability to shoot.
The KAR98 bayonet is just a M1924 bayonet with the barrel ring milled off. Both of them are identical right down to the grips screws and other parts of it's operating mechanism.