SURPRISING Reason Disney Did This | Star Wars the Mandalorian
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- In the Premiere of the Mandalorian Season 3 Episode 1 entitled the Apostate, we see the armorer forge a new Mandalorian Helmet for a young foundling. Unfortunately, this helmet looks more like a Star Wars Toy than a lucasfilm ILM prop.
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I'm looking at this from an in-universe perspective, this is likely a case of "Cadet's first helmet", where it bears the same feel of a full adult-sized helmet, but either has increased visibility or other features to make them easier for a child in training to use, think the Imperial Cadet helmets we saw in rebels.
honestly thats what i thought too because hes a fuckin child and of course theyll give him a new helment because i dont think they would give this child another battleworn child sized helment that they picked up off of a dead child. This video just strange to me
this is what they did, all the other children in that scene are wearing the same model of the helmet with just different color schemes.
Agreed, the adult helmet is probably EARNED by passing trials and challenges. And not just given away to a training child.
agreed, its very much the training wheel mando helment, wouldn't even fit properly when he got older -i suspect that the metal in the helmet gets reforged into their proper helmet as they get older. The they can't remove their helmet is not exactly true as they have to eat-hard to do in a helmet its more they can't let other people see them without it. i suspect they just put on something while the armorer works on it
The helmet might be reforged into their adult helmet. Then they don’t waste the material.
The child's helmet in the episode, I'm sure, was supposed to look like the toy. Remember, this is the show that sported a call back to the Imperial Troop Transporter.
I guess it's possible. But remember that the the toy was intended for children. So they likely look similar, because they were both intended to be safer for kids to wear.
The imperial troop transport heavily appeared in rebels
It could also be that in the Mandalorian culture, the larger visor is so that younglings have a bit better of vision while training. They eventually narrow the visor once the young Mandalorian grows up and is more experienced. If the real reason is because of the limited visible in real life, the explanation in-universe that they actually have that issue, that a bigger visor is for the young ones to train, it could work.
It also adds a nice little parallel between Mandalorians and Jedi:
Mandalorian foundlings wear special helmets that allow more visibility for training.
Jedi younglings wear special helmets that restrict visibility for training.
What a reach there
Well that's not very functional if you're in heat of battle of course we gotta need wider of your surroundings. Why do they have to limit themselves? They not like the Jedi who can sense everything through the Force.
@@alienalchemist Same reason real life knight helmets have very small eye slits. Protection is more important than visibility. And while Mandalorian helmets do offer heads-up displays for better vision, a child in training who isn't yet as attuned to wearing a Mandalorian helmet near 24/7 will need more enhanced visibility. It's similar to how Jedi youglings at first have training sabers with limited energy output to get used to wielding a lightsaber properly without running the risk of losing a limb.
Yea I thought it was like a starter helmet
As a Mandalorian cosplayer, the youngling helmet gave me a bit of nostalgia with it's more toy-esq look. Made me think that the younger cosplayers who usually have the cheaper toy actually have an accurate costume, now.
The space battle in this episode did not seem cheap to me at all.
Hell yes, space pirates are awesome!
(Which is why I love Metroid. Coincidentally, Samus is basically a female Mandalorian....)
@@caolanochearnaigh9804 seeing as she was around first, Mando is basically a male Samus
@@General_Flores Yeah, you're right.
@@General_Flores Boba Fett introduced Mandalorians in 1978. Metroid came out in 1986.
Relax, it's a junior Mando starter kit. It ain't that bad lol
i think the child's helmet might have been more passable if they made the silvery sections look more like metal than just spraying a matte silver onto it
I wouldn't be surprised if the kid's helmet was the actual toy. John and Dave have said in interviews that the show is like playing with action figures. Obviously, not literally, but they have used toys as inspiration for a bunch of stuff for the show. The imperial troop transport. Bib Fortuna's entire look is 1:1 with his original toy from the 80s, staff and all
I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up releasing it as a toy.
My biggest complaint with the scene wasn’t that the prop looked cheap or that they needed a cgi monster fight to bad the run time but that it was pretty much the exact same conversation mando had with the armourer in the book of boba fett…
While I enjoyed the episode it was clearly a catch-up episode for people that didn't watch Boba Fett.
@@mortagon1451 I was thinking the same but also saw it as a way to show a bit of time has passed and the armorer has rebuilt the clan a bit. Her and Paz were the last ones left when we saw them in BOBF.
I just thought it's a training helmet and focused more on the story, which was fun and left me wanting more. It's like watching old Dr Who episodes. They had plungers and paint rollers as props.
After my second watch through I realized it doesn’t show her making the helmet, It shows her making the bowl for the ceremony. The bowl that the armorer drops into the water when the monster attack
Having a wider visor with increased visibility is probably better for a child MANDALORIAN, too. A young Mando who doesn't know all the tricks of the helmet and armor would want to be able to see what's going on. A child's eyes are relatively bigger than an adults anyway. This WAS NOT the toy Voice Changer helmet. If it is, they modified the hell out of it, not just a repaint. The on-screen one has the mohawk strip, and the cheeks are a different shape than the Boba helmet. The problem is really that there was no weathering, which I'd expect from a fresh-painted helmet. Even Boba's repainted helmet had a couple little chips in the paint.
To me, and I'm sure many others, it felt like "Buy this for your kids!" Product Placement.
Do you know where I can buy one lol
I thought you were going to say that this was some marketing strategy, for Disney to sell Mandalorian Helmets to kids... but I think your theory makes more sense. If this also means that kids will be able to buy accurate looking helmets, and do safer cosplay, then that's just a bonus!
The nanosecond that I saw this, I knew exactly why they did it. It looks like a marketing ploy to make the helmet as close to the toy lines as possible. Look at the Clone Trooper helmets for kids with the oversized visors back in the day. It's fairly obvious that it's deliberate, like some evil genius way of making the toy helmets closer to what is seen on-screen. It's cynical, very cynical.
Ridiculous comment. Disney has been successfully selling Mandalorian kids helmets for decades, especially Din's helmet the past years. And now suddenly they need a marketing NEEDS a marketing ploy for some obscure helmet for an unnamed kid we only see for 10 seconds...
This is obviously not the reason, if you only thought about it for 10 seconds more. You're the cyclical one here.
The most likely reason is: either they used an actual toy prop, upcycled a bit, in the movie for budget purposes. Or they needed to make a design that would fit a kid, and just took the kid toy props as inspiration.
Besides that, I don't understand what would be "evil genius" about making something likable and then selling it. If you thought it truly evil, you should only by stuff you hate out of principle, so you don't support evil people who make things people like.
Doubtful.
@@DrTheRich -.- the absolute state
@@Commander_Shepard. 👍
@@ThePalaeontologist I win.
I just saw it as beginners helmet that he'd grow out of quickly
Luckily the indistructable beskar can be destroyed and remade easily.
@Matthijs de Rijk well not really indestructible lol, just seemed pretty thin, compared to adult armor. But what do I know about a made up universe
My guy here spending almost 10 minutes in a video and probably a few hours editing complaining about a prop helmet for a tv show 😂this is why people laugh at us Star Wars fans in a nutshell
""Shiny" was a derogatory term that veteran clone troopers used to refer to their less-experienced clone rookie colleagues. It referred to the shininess of the clone trooper's armor, and/or the "shininess" of their experience. Clone cadets were also frequently referred to by this name."
I think you're spot on. I build lots of models and I can't stand to paint them without texturing first, and weathering last. They kinda just look like plastic toys if they're painted clean.
For a while this was the best cheap Boba Fett helmet you could buy. So I liked the reference, plus it was reminiscent of the scene in Iron Man 2 where Ironman rescues a kid wearing a toy helmet.
I was just mad that the helmet wasn’t for Grogu.
That is probably the point. You will see this exact helmet for sale this Christmas.
I mean for me it isn't just the helmet there are lots of things that just stand out as horrible like the whole din not being able to hit the druid at point blank range and I think its annoying he's trying to rebuild him I think it would be much more interesting to see him struggle getting to know a new druid just think there is lots more opportunity for more interesting dialogue that way I thought the first episode was mid at best and way to short filled with lots of bs should of released 2 episodes
Facts how does he go from being an expert marksman to missing so damn much?
He was hitting him most of the time. IG looked like he was cast in bronze, which would make his outer shell even stronger
I'm pretty sure he did hit ig a few times but he's just strong
Igs armor is blaster proof.
He hit him it’s just IG’s armour is stronger. It also looked as if he was panicking and IG is his friend so he probably doesn’t want to destroy him kinda like in zombie apocalypse shows and films when they’re friend or loved one turns they have trouble killing them I know it’s different but that’s the comparison I thought of. It did feel weird but that’s my reasons for what I believe it happened
Realistically the similarity was intentional to let kids(and fan parents) acquire the toy helmet and now have it be an accurate depiction of a juvenile Mandalorian helmet. It facilitates emersion into the fandom. I bet the Hasbro helmet gets a re-release soon.
They actually care about child actors?
And here I thought Disney was COMPLETELY evil....
It felt like an advertisement for the Disney Starwars hotel & resort. Designing your own helmet being the gimmick they're selling...why would they waste Beskar on a helmet for a kid that will outgrow it in a few months...🤦♂️
That Mandalorian youngling Ragnar is the child stunt actor Wesley Kimmel (Jimmy Kimmel's nephew) who also played a masked Tusken raider child in The Book of Boba Fett.
A) this felt like it was there to sell more kids helmets.
B) that scene doesn’t make sense (where the armorer just completed the helmet after banging it out). Mandolorean Helmets have complex interior electronics. None of which were installed.
While I could see a world where you have a kid a “starter” helmet, why would you then tell him he can never remove it?
Obviously he will need to remove it for upsizing and modifications over time.
It’s a flawed premise in their current explanation
A: they already have been selling Mandalorian helmets to kids for decades.
B good point, the whole forging process is weird as hell...
I don't under stand the "never remove part" In my mind they mean never remove it in some ones presence... I mean, you should at least clean the thing daily if you wearing it 24/7 right? Or what about repair, or fixing the inner lining..
The boba Fett show was the cheapest Star Wars ever looked the plastic visor of his helmet. The way the visor shined against the camera you can see the scuffed plastic it’s made of. And his yellow shoulder pads are supposed to be metal. But the light shines RIGHT THROUGH the plastic there made of.
I don’t mind the seeing something new I really hope that helmet goes into mass production it’s a awesome design
Its matte something, they didn't show how it was finished. Boba's is matte as well. That will make any metal surface look plastic
They kinda cheated out with the helmet big time lol. They made the visit to thick. They are also checking out on Mandos armor. It looks a little worse than in season 1
The same costume and weathering seem to look totally different outside versus in the volume they usually look to clean and air conditioned.
Pretty much all the mandalorian extras look super cheap and it doesn't help that they're all painted in goofy colors
If you need to get a toy out for fans and can place it in a show about Mando. What better way to get it out there.
NGL the kenobi show felt like the cheapest thing disney ever did
First i saw that scene I'm glad I'm not the only one who spot that
That's definitely understandable.
To me, the problem is the color palet chosen for a brand new helmet. I feel like making those colors resemble metal would be extremely hard.. but a brand new one? I just don't see it.
Its funny how people hold such crazy high standards for their fandoms to the point that they nit pick it to death and then feel betrayed because it does not live up to their expectations.
That hissing when there is no suit connecting to the helmet really broke that scene for me
Legally?? Are you kidding? What was he warning when he was a child Tusken Rader? Much less visibility there buddy.
Maybe if the helmet wasn’t painted and was just metal it could’ve worked more.
might or not know but hissing the vacume seal
I would mind the helmet looking like a toy if there weren't any other bigger problems with this show, like the fact that Kara Dune is no longer part of this show.
I think its more to show the fact that the wider view makes you remember it's a child in the look as well.
Bruh if I was in that kid's place aint no way I would repeat the words of the oath lmaoooo
Lucky kid got the Target exclusive helmet.
Besides the Foundling coming of age, all other "kids" were small adults. The ONLY reason the helmet looks like that is to SELL TOYS
yeah because boba fett, and din jarin's helmets totally don't sell to kids for decades. Men, if only Disney figured this method out earlier. You're such a genius, for figuring them out
I know you're not supposed to actually think about this stuff, but, in a culture such as these particular Mandalorians.. wearing a helmet, basically 24-7, must be.. problematic from a hygienic point of view. Wouldn't it make more sense for them to essentially shave and be as bald as Boba Fett?
How much visibility do you think r2 had in Tunisia aswepl?
How I took it: "That helmet looks like a toy. Oh, it's going on a kid. Oh, okay."
Moving along...
That helmet looked new, despite the light appearance.
Perhaps the Props department just bought a helmet from Target and painted it to save time.
Plus it's easier to change the colors of a toy product instead of making new plastic injection molds to sell.
The kids helmet did look a bit shit, like a power rangers prop.
You made a whole show about the kids helmet and made it seem like the episode was cheap🤔🕵👍
You could have said that the episode was too short, it didn't deliver on 2.5 year of waiting. And you focused on plastic on helmet.
How is it that I haven't seen anyone mention the fact that Groku magically moved between the cockpit and his bubble. It seems weird. Where's the tunnel at? They put an engine the only place it could be
The boy didn't move with the helmet so if we never see him again I don't think it was done just for safety reasons but if we see the boy again later on and he has an actual role then yep it makes perfect sense to give him a helmet that allows him to see as best as possible. And they could even retool the mold of the toy and make his helmet for people to buy.
Why did the kids helmet make a seal sound if his hair still shows
cliché sound editing lol. they wanted to make the moment sound more impactful
@@DrTheRich i just sat there like... If you gonna pan away each time so he can read from a telepromter you can fix his hair no?
The same actor played the child Tuscan raider. Your telling me the visibility is better in a raider than a mando?
Guys, google 2008 clone trooper helmet and look at the images it literally looks the exact same minus the foundlings helmet, looking more like a Mandalorian helmet, but the visor is the exact same
It looks like it's made out of that stuff they use on wedding cakes. Not sure what that stuff is but I guess it's edible. Some kinda sugar based plastic looking stuff that gets molded to look like things....Mandalorian helmets for instance, or Dallas Cowboy helmets! Whatever.
Fondant? 😂😂
When people complain about toy helmet doesnt look like those in movies, disney uave an idea by CHANGING the movie version to fit the toy.
I hope we see the same thick visor on Grogu's helmet eventually. I think you might be right about the real world reason being legal/safety based, But to me it works fine in the story for this helmet to look a bit toy like because its going onto a kid. Just because its armor doesn't mean it has to take away from a kids kid-ness, Its a child-like mando face on a helmet for a child, Makes sense.
I didn't even realize when i watched the Apostate. Though what was explained about child safety issues, it doesnt bother me.
As for a legitimate reason for the big visor is that you are forcing a kid to go from normal vision to almost zero vision. The kids need to get used to the difference or they'll go crazy. Especially when they can't take it off around others.
Not the actors, the foundlings. The big visor is a way to break the helmet in and get used to it.
Haha yeah helmet looked like a hasbro 100 dollars props lol😂
You can see where they tried to cover up the dent in the toy, I believe lol
I'm actually quite fine with them making an IRL toy in-universe canon for the show. And Mando's first baby helmet isn't going to be battle-worn
Paint doesn't bother me because it should look brand new. When boba repainted his, it looked off but the nostalgia kept it sound. Also it reminds me of the clone training helmets from the clone wars
dudes head is gonna grow a lot before he stops needing larger ones or updates or upgrades
simple is usually the way
Those helmets really did bother me like many others. I don't think it ruined the episode by any means. I also understand the legality of it. Most people who haven't worn a Mandalorian helmet really can be difficult to see. Easier than a Storm Trooper helmet, but not by much. Also would make sense in-universe for a similar reason. A young Mandalorian or Mandalorian foundling would go from having unobstructed vision, to losing your peripheral vision and some other regions of vision you would normally have no longer exist. I think what would've been better is if they made the "metal" metallic without paint. Realistically you would start painting it once you've been wearing it longer, and really developed a connection to your helmet/armor. The other children might have their helmet painted, but I feel it should've still been limited, mostly leaving the "metal" paint to make it still feel metallic and less cheap even with the thick visor.
This was easily the worst season premiere we’ve seen from The Mandalorian. The moment I saw the runtime, I literally said “I’ve got a bad feeling about this.” aloud, without even realizing I was quoting Han Solo.
The opening scene portrayed the Mandalorian covert as far less capable than we assumed. It seemed the only reason for the scene was to provide Din & Grogu the opportunity to “save” them. Did anyone else question how in the world these seasoned warriors allowed a creature larger than a Krait Dragon to ambush them at the water’s edge?
I have a sneaking suspicion that the crocodile thing was recycled from “Prehistoric Planet”, another Disney+ show that Favreau produces for Disney. It looked great, I have no reservations about the CGI’s quality, it was just a questionable plot element that consumed almost a third of this episode’s length.
This was the first episode of The Mandalorian that lacked that authentic Star Wars feeling that captured my interest during seasons one and two. It looked like a generic Disney+ show instead of the show we’ve come to love. I watched every episode of S01 & S02 twice, but I have no interest in watching that again.
The only episode from season 2 I felt was lacking was Chapter 14, when Moff Gideon captured Grogu with the Dark Troopers, directed by Robert Rodriguez, the guy turned Boba Fett into a retired bounty hunter. Rodriguez has been making too many kid’s shows, which became apparent once we saw BOBF and the gritty “Mod Gang” that the old Boba Fett would have outright ignored, but he too now works for Disney. 🤦♂️
My only though was, "Wow, this kid's gonna be able to see!"
This isn’t surprising. To anyone who grew up with the toy helmets, this is an obvious homage.
If you're just going by the opening scene to say the whole episode feels cheap. Then you are all miss guided and missing the bigger picture. To me for a 32 minute run time it sure felt like an hour long. With so much stuff packed into that episode.
Honestly, I didn't even notice the plastic look or wider visor until watching this video. I was already pulled into what was happening and had my suspension of disbelief on. But now that you point it out... Yeah, it looks a little cheap. They probably could have done a bit better job making it look less plastic. But it certainly doesn't ruin the episode.
You are so wrong. Did you not notice the other kids in that beginning scene? Maybe it’s just me but my theory is that the reason for the large visor is so that the foundling can get use to having his vision impaired and learn to use their other senses like the armorer did right before the beast attacked. Rewatch the begin of the scene as she is walking out of the cave and you can notice all the other kids wearing different styles of helmets. As for the paint it might have been because those matched the colors of the Heavy Artillery Mandalorian.
Look cheap? Yup
Disney want to sell this to kids? Yup
Will my neices want this for this years Halloween? You bet I'm going to get it for them. lol
why would they want the uninteresting looking helmet of some unnamed obscure kid we only see for 5 seconds? and not like, Bo Katan's helmet?
I figured it was just to sell a new, simplified mandalorian helmet kid's toy with the bonus feel of authenticity because it looks like that in star wars and in person. Unlike say, the Boba Fett one.
Even the removal of the cheek indentation makes it more child safe, easier to produce and more one size fits all. Which I think are all very deliberate design elements for the marketability of a toy you intend to sell to millions of kids. If it looks accurate to the world, is safe, meets legal standards and is cheap to mass produce, it's a kind of perfect toy.
the visor size is probably bigger because it would give better view to children while training.
I think you answered the question- it was made for toy marketing and sales of these down the road to kids.
I think they should have left off the colors just for now and he gets his colors when he develops his skills over time. I wouldn't be too surprised if that foundling was Paz's adopted son
We don't know if it is even a foundling or someone's kid. And I doubt we will see them again
It amazes me what people complain about
I think people are looking too much into this, it was probably just meant to be a cheap prop used for this opening sequence that we probably won't see again
All the younglings in that 1st scene of ep 1 season 3 had the same visor. I don't think the younglings are actual fighters. Obviously, the helmet scene is a marketing ploy for Disney. Not a bad idea. Make you own Mandalorian helmet at Disney Parks. You know what is cheap? Your opinion.
the helmet is supposed to look more childish by design imo.. Its basically imitating the features of a young child, with proportionally large eyes. Its so that we instinctually understand what is going on just by seeing the helmet. But yea, the episode felt all over the place for me, not just the plastic helmet.
Isnt it also kinda odd that the armorer paints the helmet? Could look more believable if the childs helmet was entirely metal since its fresh out of the forge
I used layers of of different paints to give my helmet the aged Star Wars look.
ILM did not build any of the armor. That responsibility fell to Legacy Effects.
It looked more like a rubber mask than a helmet. Also the helmets are forged not carved lol.
Honestly, I haven't even noticed it.
Please explain how you can tell the difference between painted metal and painted plastic.
The kid looks like the blue power ranger
I think they are doing something they have done before. Advertising a future product to kids by actually using it in the series. It looks cheap and gaudy. I think if you were right the people who made the prop are professionals could have and would have done a better job. In that case they just mailed this in.
I'm more concerned with the story than the props.
Seems like a weak complaint. I mean it looks newer because she just finished fashioning it. I didn't have any issues with the look of the helmet
I had no frustration until I saw your video. But then again unlike many of the “fans” I like to enjoy my star wars instead of picking it apart for every little detail that Monday morning quarterbacks think they could have done better.
It was made cheap because we will probably never see that kid or helmet again.
I thought the helmet was fine the child would logicly need a wider visor as they get used to wearing it all day every day and once they are able to function with it properly they will get a more thined visor just like the adults around them
I always thought it was because they would release it as a toy.