The Rise and Fall of Britain’s Railways

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    The Rise and Fall of Britain's Railways
    In this video today I look back at the history of train travel in Britian. From the early days of steam and iron, to the Beeching cuts of the 1960s, to the compeition of the car and moterway.
    Often I am left with either crazily expenzie train tickets, trains that don't turn up and are replaced by busses, or train that are so full you spend an hour cramped together like at a concert.
    With the push towards ditching our diesel vehicles, you would think that the trains should be made a luxury, an experience that is far better than fueling up your car and hitting the roads...but it's not. It is still cheaper to drive.
    There are many reasons for our defunct and neglected trains and railways, and I try to cover as many as I can as I visit a range of locations all affected by the downfall of train travel in the last 100 years.
    Also, do let me know your thoughts on the new governments promsise to re nationilise the trains. Is it a good thing? Or is it just pub talk?
    #trains #railways #broken #britian #railway #transport

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  • @w00df0rd
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  • @musicvidztv1909
    @musicvidztv1909 7 часов назад +24

    This is 21st century britain for you! Overpriced and no value at all!

  • @Uloncl
    @Uloncl 6 часов назад +10

    pls dont use AI images
    yeah they really need to connect forster square to the interchange so trains can flow through properly to manchester

  • @robertburgess3767
    @robertburgess3767 7 часов назад +10

    My dad worked on the railway, have great memories traveling up and down the country in the guards cabin lol...loved the trains when I was younger...dont get to use them anymore...Great video david...always a great video ❤

    • @unusedsub3003
      @unusedsub3003 3 часа назад +2

      That sounds like winning the childhood lottery 👌

  • @sherriepalmer7089
    @sherriepalmer7089 6 часов назад +11

    I used to love travelling by train - I still could if they had comfortable, soft seats - but due to injury, I can't physically tolerate the ironing board seats. There must be thousands of other people in the same situation. Obviously no thought for 'inclusion'. Old train carriages were like living rooms. I'm so glad that I experienced them. Windows you could open, heaters you could control, pictures, sofas to sit on, reading lights... Modern trains are vile, uncomfortable, soulless tubes.

    • @simonamos5426
      @simonamos5426 3 часа назад +1

      yeah & covered in decades of old ash smoke with cigarette butts all over the place. On top of the the trains stank like an NCP car park stairwell. British Railways where Shit.

    • @scottneil1187
      @scottneil1187 Час назад

      ​@@simonamos5426Yep, litter everywhere and stank of pish and puke.

  • @boriss.861
    @boriss.861 7 часов назад +27

    70 % of the UK rail network is FOREIGN OWNED so all that profit goes OVERSEAS!

    • @Its_elena2
      @Its_elena2 6 часов назад +1

      In France mostly

    • @simonamos5426
      @simonamos5426 3 часа назад +4

      Most of the network is owned by Network Rail which is a UK government owned body.

    • @exsandgrounder
      @exsandgrounder 3 часа назад +2

      The railways are owned and managed by Network Rail as already said. Some of the franchises were foreign owned, but these were renationalised and then given back to the franchisees in the form of a management contract.
      So no, the railway network is not foreign owned.

    • @AlvinOfficial-UK
      @AlvinOfficial-UK 2 часа назад +2

      Nope. Most are on management contracts with 'profit' going to Department of Transport.
      Hull trains and Lumo happen to be owned by First Group, with profits staying in the UK

  • @davidwebb4904
    @davidwebb4904 6 часов назад +16

    £18 Billion for Crossrail, and £85 Billion for HS1.5, is why we cannot have nice things in this country….. 😢

    • @Cheesenpickle
      @Cheesenpickle 6 часов назад +3

      Because we are northerners, the Northern workers that built the industrial Revolution, the mines, the mills, the trains, shipyards all built this countries wealth but that wealth is spent solely in London. London is the best public transport on earth, FACT!! Constantly getting new underground lines, brand new buses, oyster cards etc etc.. here it's impossible to get in or out from our towns to our cities due to layabout northern rail workers and their unions always blaming owners because £2000 a week isn't enough pay for these glorified tram drivers

    • @pani777
      @pani777 5 часов назад +1

      literally feel bad for non londoners atp

    • @Cheesenpickle
      @Cheesenpickle 4 часа назад +3

      Leigh no station anymore to it's city Manchester.. Wigan is the northern stop on the London to Glasgow line, passengers get of hoping to get to Manchester or Liverpool but guess what, northern rail don't wanna work today, why should they when they get a basic of £1200 a week and full sick pay. Yes successive governments have always not give a stuff about the north and "sir" pension robber starmer is exactly the same. We have Burnham and his Scouse counterpart plus loads of useless MPs like Lisa pie arse nandy who do absolutely nothing at all but feather their own nests by buying 2nd properties in London that we pay for, only to sell them for millions when they retire. Best, easiest way to make money except for working for northern rail that is

    • @colincampbell4261
      @colincampbell4261 4 часа назад

      ​@@CheesenpickleAslef is a strong union = good wages. But you lie about £2000pw

    • @colincampbell4261
      @colincampbell4261 4 часа назад

      ​@@Cheesenpicklestop whingin toryboy

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz 7 часов назад +15

    At a similar time to the beeching cuts. France and Japan had the same issue as the UK. What they did was invest in their railways and they are some of the best in the world. We cut our and they got worse.

    • @llynellyn
      @llynellyn 6 часов назад

      Beeching did more lasting damage to the UK than Hitler and he was trying haha.

    • @pr5134
      @pr5134 6 часов назад +1

      France doesn't have the best railways, the tgv lines and paris' network are fantastic but other regional routes are slow and awful frequency, Britain's regional railways are much better but that's is mostly due to pop density

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 6 часов назад +4

      @@pr5134 I said some of the best in the world, not the best and it is a lot better than the UK. Britians regional railways are terrible anywhere out of London's commuter belt. Constant cancellations, late trains, poor frequency, uncomfortable, extremely overcrowded and expensive. You go on platform 14 - 15 Manchester Piccadilly at rush hour and tell me that is okay. It is the most hectic, overcrowded platform I have ever seen. They have to have staff holding people back for safety it gets so full, constant tannoy announcements trying to sort out the crowds and trains will get so full you have to squeeze yourself into a little corner and that will sometimes be the train after yours as you couldn't fit on the other one.

    • @michaelwilliams3232
      @michaelwilliams3232 3 часа назад

      Allied bombers did a good job on the French network, meaning the rebuild was from scratch, while even at war's end the UK network was Victorian and dilapidated after 5 years of war. Post war nationalisation had to happen because private owners of networks could not raise capital for a refurb'. Then along comes Dr. Beeching.

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz 2 часа назад

      ​​​@@michaelwilliams3232 they didn't rebuild from scratch at all. In Japan even after a nuclear bomb the railway was running the next day. The investment Japan and France did at this time was new high speed networks i.e. Shinkansen and there some improvement works to the old systems.

  • @derekmcfadyen127
    @derekmcfadyen127 7 часов назад +7

    Its cheaper to get a flight to majorca than getting on a f=£%_g train

    • @richardmurray2068
      @richardmurray2068 6 часов назад +1

      But you still need in many cases to use a train or transport to get to the airport it leaves from!

  • @icatz
    @icatz 3 часа назад +4

    I lived in the UK in the 80s and I loved British Rail. It was cheap, generally always on time, and a wonderful way to get around the country. I went back in 2007 after privatization and I was completely lost. So many different train companies and different times and I just ended up saying fuck it, got on a train from Peterborough to London, and I guess I was on the right train, I don't know, but nobody busted me. I miss the old days of British Rail, especially the 125s.
    Your hair looks great grown out.
    Superb video. ❤ 🚆

  • @jos4669
    @jos4669 3 часа назад +4

    i find it rather funny how you all the stock footage you used to describe the “golden age” of british railways showed exclusively trains from other countries

  • @MillhouseSpeaks
    @MillhouseSpeaks 8 часов назад +35

    Nationalise railways! Cheaper to get plane tickets!

    • @rod9829
      @rod9829 7 часов назад +3

      The irony of airlines being private too…

    • @jimmycburfield5997
      @jimmycburfield5997 6 часов назад +4

      Honestly it’s mad! My sister lives in Glasgow. It’s frequently cheaper for her to fly than use the train. Once she even flew via Amsterdam and it was cheaper.

    • @thathurt
      @thathurt 3 часа назад +1

      Sadly ticket prices won't reduce. ☹️

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Час назад +1

      ​@@thathurt without shareholders, bidding wars and economies of scale it would be cheaper.

  • @MrTudwud
    @MrTudwud 6 часов назад +3

    For a start, restriction C1 pretty much scuppers double decker trains in the UK. As for the "privatisation "model" - there was NO model - the railway was simply split into numerous entities, TOCs (too many of them); ROSCOs (too many of them); Freight Companies etc. As for Network Rail (now supposedly state owned) responsible for 100+ PRIVATE Companies. Bus Companies, Water Companies, Pop Music Companies playing at trains. Ridiculous fare anomolies/hyper expensive/little competition between TOCs and timetabling that forgot the art of "connections" because the TOCs were incompatible. There was a model that we could have followed, that of the Swiss that operate under the guise of "Swiss Federal Railways" but the operators are private companies that work closely together to produce a timetable that works, connections that work and a fare structure that is "fair". British Rail privatisation was a disaster from the start.

  • @fredjames9867
    @fredjames9867 6 часов назад +13

    You think labour will fix the railway's you living in dream world. 50 years of underinvestment can't be fix in 4 years . Whatever they try and tell you

    • @mattevans4377
      @mattevans4377 2 часа назад

      It can if you have dedication, but this Government and dedication in the same sentence, is an oxymoron

    • @Alex-cw3rz
      @Alex-cw3rz Час назад

      Better to start improving it than doing nothing and supporting foreign owned private rail companies.

  • @150stroke1
    @150stroke1 5 часов назад +5

    We do need HS2 in full. It's a project that has been both poorly managed and poorly promoted, however for the wider capacity benefits it will bring to the network, allowing for far more local and freight services to be ran in the place of express trains which will be moved onto the new line, it is desperately needed. The WCML is pretty much at capacity and suffers from several bottlenecks which will be relieved by the construction of HS2 in full. Costs should certainly have been managed better, but the premature cancellation of the project was incredibly short-sighted.

    • @michaelwilliams3232
      @michaelwilliams3232 3 часа назад +1

      HS2 phase 2b might go ahead to Crewe, which takes in Trent Valley bottleneck I believe. As long as we don't call it HS2.

    • @stephenscales353
      @stephenscales353 2 часа назад

      No we don't. Britain isn't that big and doesn't have multiple impassable mountain ranges e.g. France.

    • @Cheesenpickle
      @Cheesenpickle 2 часа назад

      Bullshit, you are clearly a politician or someone getting a back hander out of it, probably both because hs2 only goes to and from efficient lines, it helps NOBODY OUTSIDE OF LONDON

    • @michaelwilliams3232
      @michaelwilliams3232 Час назад

      @@stephenscales353 that was the problem in Kent, huge mountain ranges but we still got HS1

  • @maxusboostus
    @maxusboostus Час назад +2

    You have to be very carefull booking trains on the web, I just tried Nottingham to Oban on 1st november using nationalrail and it was £141.60 .. Tried thetrainline and it said there were no trains on the 1st but there were on the 2nd for £71.99. I tried mytrainpal and it was £65.30 but the strange thing was is that it was a 7 minute earlier train from a different nottingham platform but arrived at the same time as the £141.60 train. The whole system is rigged to rip you off, and this needs to stop so people can trust them again.

  • @GD-vm8po
    @GD-vm8po 7 часов назад +5

    Your code doesn’t work

  • @darren25061965
    @darren25061965 3 часа назад +2

    The irony is Bradford interchange and Bradford forster square stations are only Half a mile apart, they are near perfectly aligned that they could be connected giving Bradford a "Through Station", but no doubt there would be no will to do so or lack of funding for "essential infastructure" but Hundreds of Millions of Pounds can be wasted on vanity projects.

  • @ChorltonM21
    @ChorltonM21 4 часа назад +2

    What about the rolling stock? I remember the carriages with individual compartments and wide, comfy, sprung seats. The train I get now from Wolverhampton to Wallsall has hard, narrow seats that won't fit two grown men side by side. About as comfortable as a builder's crew bus.

  • @petermostyneccleston2884
    @petermostyneccleston2884 6 часов назад +2

    I think that the trains were longer in North Wales, in the 1970's and 1980's. Although there were only 3 trains a day direct to London then. Now the trains are newer, but just as dirty. There are about 9 direct trains a day, although you can still take a train, and connect to a train to London Euston every half hour.
    Under British Rail, the local train from Manchester, would consist of 3 or 4 DMUs, each of 2 carriages. From 1990 onwards, you are lucky if you have more than 2 carriages on a train.
    Under Richard Branson, the journey time to London, from Colwyn Bay, was reduced by half an hour, but it went back up to 3 hours, as Virgin Trains reduced the delays that they were having.
    The trains are smaller, and more expensive than they have ever been.

  • @matthewharding-ew1ts
    @matthewharding-ew1ts 3 часа назад +2

    Don't forget, our train drivers are by the highest paid in Europe. Don't it believe me? Look it up!

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz Час назад +2

    I was watching some old news shows which was before the beeching act had bee announced and it was complaining that a lot of branch lines time tables had been changed so that they no longer lined up with mainline trains. There was a quite large campaign before the beeching act to just have the timetables line up again. But if they did that a lot of beechings cuts wouldn't make sense, as ridership would be higher. Although to be fair a lot of his cuts already made no sense at all. Cutting off the centre and north of Wales from the south. Even very weird things like Blackpool was to have one of it's stations Cut, the council said can you do the other instead and he said yes. Now if the cuts were anyway logical on what planet can you just change the line in a heartbeat. It's just such obvious corruption. The fact that road constructors such as Earnst Marple were involved in the cuts just seals the deal.

  • @RobertHeslop
    @RobertHeslop 3 часа назад +2

    I use the train quite often as I live in Edinburgh but my parents are back in Newcastle where I'm from, and for a fairly short distance, a return ticket is about £60, whilst a friend of mine got a return ticket from Edinburgh to Glasgow the other day for £6.

  • @StephenWhittaker-g5g
    @StephenWhittaker-g5g 5 часов назад +2

    Was suprised you didnt end up in Crewe Railway heritage centre, the privatization really did a number on the town, used to have one of the biggest railway works I remember going to their open days

  • @richardmurray2068
    @richardmurray2068 6 часов назад +2

    The whole experience is a total nightmare in this day and age, if you get a train that's relatively on time that's a good start but the chances are it will be crowded, you overspent for the privilege and you are sharing your time with complete and utter wankers who are either shouting into their phone complete shite for 20 minutes or worse still have to listen to some loser playing tiktok videos or rap through their phones loudspeaker!
    It's become unbearable for me now!

  • @hammertime4437
    @hammertime4437 3 часа назад +1

    I realised how crazy Britain's railway history was when the Beeching Cuts happened. And they chose to shut down the Great Central Main Line. At the time it was the latest Main Line. All that engineering and beautiful railway stations and viaducts just GONE and demolished for good. And now they want to build HS2. Some of it is now being built ON the old Great Central Main Line.
    Overall I'm like common? make your mind up.

  • @robh8814
    @robh8814 2 часа назад +1

    The Private Franchise contracts are still running & they wont be renewed when the current tenders expire. So it hasnt been "Renationalised" yet. Plus even when it has been nationalised then the Rolling stock will still be private rolling stock companies as they are the only ones that can supply the funding for the new rolling stock you have running around anyway.

  • @boomr334
    @boomr334 5 часов назад +1

    Lol yes, your content might be 'boring' but it does document an incredible period of history. I'm not even British and your ancestors went to war with mine, but fuck me you guys did a number on technology and we should all be grateful. Rule Britannia and keep making these videos dude.

  • @simonmason8582
    @simonmason8582 5 часов назад +1

    “Great” is a geographical term like Great Yarmouth, Great Grimsby, Greater London and Greater Manchester.

  • @Alex-cw3rz
    @Alex-cw3rz Час назад +1

    Interesting fact britain spends more on subsidies now to private rail companies than it spent when it owned British Rail.

  • @somethingfilms24
    @somethingfilms24 4 часа назад +1

    Replacement bus service - shocking, no other country in the world needs to do engineering work only us 🙄

  • @kenpickles7705
    @kenpickles7705 8 часов назад +2

    Glad to see you again

  • @marksargent2440
    @marksargent2440 7 часов назад +1

    In the summer i did a train trip with my mum to see a friend it was 3 different trains on 3 different networks oh and we also had a delay on our way there when we did go out for a day one stop along we couldn't get to due to some delays on the line

  • @nige2828
    @nige2828 3 часа назад +1

    What's thebpoint of train pal app, if the trains aren't running 😅

  • @robertlloyd7493
    @robertlloyd7493 8 часов назад +2

    Great topic 😊

  • @CraftySven
    @CraftySven 4 часа назад +1

    it is cheaper for me to fly Slovakia and back compared to a train ticket from London to Brighton. Imagine wanting to go on a family day out, horrendous.

    • @robh8814
      @robh8814 2 часа назад

      £22.70 for a off peak return London-Brighton on the day ticket. Try getting that on the day for a plane ticket..

  • @boldporcupine
    @boldporcupine 3 часа назад +1

    I took London to Leicester this summer and I was surprised that it was about $100 for a roundtrip. Granted it was nonstop and took about an hour. Now I understand why that was the case. As you pointed out, the local trains from Leicester to the surrounding towns were less frequent and stopped often but all in all I didn't mind. Thinking of staying in Leeds next summer to explore Liverpool, Manchester, and York. Not sure if Leeds is the best place to stay for that zone, but I think it will be the best value for the region. If anyone thinks otherwise, please let me know.

    • @thathurt
      @thathurt 3 часа назад

      A lot of people in England don't have £100 or $100 spare lol.

  • @mjci3507
    @mjci3507 4 часа назад +1

    Check the Spain RENFE (our national train service), delays every single day, trains which don't show up, no explanations on what's going on. Inside, well, people smoking, no security service.
    We are told to use public transport, but it's falling to pieces.
    As somebody mentions on your video, I have also changed to using the bus (yes it takes longer) but there are no people smoking, it is quieter, you fell safer and the driver is seen so you feel a bit more calm.

  • @RealSalica
    @RealSalica 8 часов назад +1

    Ted is really audacious to walk right in the tunnels !

  • @DjD1MAH
    @DjD1MAH 2 часа назад +1

    it cheaper to fly across the country than get a train

  • @DJCamstar
    @DJCamstar 6 часов назад +1

    WT... Nice video 👍🏿... I live in Birmingham and the only reason why I came to Birmingham is because of the train... One day from work from Birmingham to Northampton I went to get the train home and I went to the station at 6pm in Birmingham and I got home I got home to Northampton at 1am in the morning... Normally it takes 59 minutes... So I decided I need to get a house in Birmingham....

    • @thathurt
      @thathurt 3 часа назад

      I live in Northampton and have had similar experiences 😂.

  • @unusedsub3003
    @unusedsub3003 3 часа назад +1

    FFS just nationalise it already.

  • @topmandog1
    @topmandog1 3 часа назад +1

    i find trainpal has become very unreliable now, it used to provide really good discounts but it just isnt the same

    • @elttus
      @elttus 15 минут назад

      Never heard of it, always use Trainline.

  • @notbotheredpodcast
    @notbotheredpodcast 8 часов назад +1

    Let's go

  • @Saint_Dan132
    @Saint_Dan132 8 часов назад +2

    this ones right up my street

    • @RobinDS-m1g
      @RobinDS-m1g 8 часов назад +3

      or on the right track....

  • @michaelwilliams3232
    @michaelwilliams3232 3 часа назад +1

    Beeching was an accountant, had no understanding of trains or their value to communities. His boss was Marples, minister of transport, who had a handy investment sideline in building motorways.

    • @markmoran916
      @markmoran916 2 часа назад

      He actually wasn’t. He was an engineer and physicist

    • @michaelwilliams3232
      @michaelwilliams3232 Час назад +1

      @@markmoran916 and a number cruncher. His methodolgy was to count daily users. Thanks for the correction.

  • @jeffmoore1286
    @jeffmoore1286 3 часа назад +1

    Keep turnipin(!!!)

  • @somewheredifferent
    @somewheredifferent 34 минуты назад

    He preferes the coach to a train? I know they are expensive, but I would still get the train and not the coach to London from 'up north'. Great video as always. Love the interviews.

  • @eccentricbeliever7
    @eccentricbeliever7 7 часов назад +1

    Labour have no plans to nationalise the rolling stock and the freight trains, which are the majority of the trains in the UK

    • @David-bi6lf
      @David-bi6lf 5 часов назад

      Because that would cost money, whilst not renewing franchises costs nothing. They won't borrow because apparently the failed austerity route is the only way to fix the economy. Plus labour are just now Tories light so its the same old neo liberal economics, privatised profits and nationalised losses.

    • @AlvinOfficial-UK
      @AlvinOfficial-UK 2 часа назад

      Because Freight trains are owned and operated by private companies. Whereas passengers services expect Hull Trains, Lumo, Grand Central and Eurostar are "Management Contracts" operated by private companies on behalf of Department of Transport.

  • @nickcooper1260
    @nickcooper1260 7 часов назад +1

    Thanks for this, the British did invent the railways, but in the 18th, not the 17th century.

  • @seanrm
    @seanrm 48 минут назад

    The Japanese have had the equivalent of HS2 across their entire country for more than 50 years.
    HS2 was never the future of high speed rail - it is the past.
    When the UK finally gets (some) HS2 around 2030, Japan will already be running the next generation Chuo Shinkansen Maglev at speeds in excess of 500km/h between Tokyo & Nagoya, and then on to Osaka. This is in addition to its existing extensive Shinkansen (bullet train) network.
    It is already under construction (without a single penny of government financing) with 60% of its 500km journey to Osaka, traveling underground.
    And while much of the overseas focus on Japan has always been on the Shinkansen and, more recently, the new Maglev, it often forgets the myriad normal speed inter-city lines that snake across an archipelago that is 85% mountains. Japan has both types of rail lines, and a similarly crowded small island like the UK should have them too.
    Warm in winter, cool in summer and always spotlessly clean and safe. One type of ticket, one price, irrespective of the time of day - 365 days a year, and anything more than 30 seconds late is considered unusual.
    That's not the future - it's the present.

  • @timharrison2076
    @timharrison2076 7 часов назад +1

    One word - greed

  • @psprog
    @psprog Час назад

    I've used Trainpal for all my journey for years and it's excellent - apart from it's missing a lot of obvious splits (eg Oxford to Leamington Spa) that used to work. I do like the regular discounts eg was 4% off everything a couple of weeks ago.

  • @scottneil1187
    @scottneil1187 Час назад

    They just reopened our line here in Leven, looked into how much it'd cost to get to Derby to visit family for Christmas, over £400!!. Journey time was nearly as long as a bus. No ta, I'll suffer the bus.

  • @richardhughes515
    @richardhughes515 43 минуты назад

    Excellent stuff As a frequent visitor to Bradford I can confirm just how shit using the Interchange is. You really are getting stuck into some important topics. Love it.

  • @simonamos5426
    @simonamos5426 3 часа назад

    According to ORR Data Portal, in the quarter from April to June 2024, 70.1% of station stops in Great Britain arrived on time, or within one minute of the scheduled time. 87.4% of trains arrived at their final destination on time, or within five minutes of the scheduled time. 3.5% of trains were canceled, with full cancellations counted as one and partial cancellations counted as half. The network is also at full capacity.

  • @NorthernExposure1
    @NorthernExposure1 6 часов назад

    try Scarborough station!! makes Bradford look well connected!

  • @zzhughesd
    @zzhughesd 38 минут назад

    Good intro. The glamour to this. Indeed. LNER trains Scot down Donny to PBO and London is nice. Tho.

  • @mjc8281
    @mjc8281 Час назад

    As someone who has previously worked both in the UK and the US on the railways, indeed was part of the management team that returned AMTRAK to New Hampshire and Maine. I really couldn't be more pessimistic about railways in the UK, thankfully I don't have a horse in the race so I can speak from a position of some knowledge without any degree of self interest.
    Railways around the world have a fundamental problem which are exacerbated in the UK. They are dreadfully inflexible, this is compounded by the fact that as the UK is the oldest railway system and it was never designed to be a national network the UK basically has had to "make do" for 150 years and just think about how the towns and cities around the UK and indeed the kind of travelling people do has changed its actually remarkable if "functions" to the level it does, this is also hampered by the fact that large parts of the network are built in areas of land that are far from ideal... Think of all the new build housing estates that flood every year because it was built on historical flood plains because the land was cheap... put 10,000 miles of railway on top of that type of land and you have an idea of the day to day challenges.
    There really aren't any easy answers about how to fix the railway in the UK, I think the very best that can be done is to keep patching it up and bumbling along.

  • @jonjohnson2844
    @jonjohnson2844 Час назад

    Yeah that's the problem when you lead on things, I remember going to Vietnam in the mid 2000s - they never really had broadband but by that time they installed the infrastructure for gigabit...couldn't really get that in the UK until 10 years later.

  • @Millennial_Manc
    @Millennial_Manc Час назад

    We did have a few double decker trains… the Class 4DD. Well, sort of 1.5 decker as the lower deck was kinda with the bogies and not much headroom on the top.
    The issue was that our network is extremely busy and requires trains to stop as briefly as possible to get people on and off. Having two decks slowed this down as more people had to file through the same number of doors. In the end they decided not to make more and they extended platforms instead, to have more carriages.

  • @topmandog1
    @topmandog1 3 часа назад

    Northern is getting better, sprinters are getting used less and less, we have brand new 331s, (Electric) and 195s (Hybrid), well the north west is, also no same company would run both london to york and Rotherham to grimsby

  • @TheOffertonhatter
    @TheOffertonhatter 5 часов назад

    Sadly where we are at today, all comes back to 1948 and Nationalisation. Why? Bickering between regions who the management came from one of the Big 4, Lines that were formally from one company (LNER to Midland region which were controlled by LMS managers etc), a none cohesive plan of effective rationalisation, to remove duplication that occurred during the great railway building in the 1800's , political interference, self-interest (Earnest Marples who was Secretary of Transport, and owned a road building company.....), the modernisation plan that had no idea and a lot of poorly designed rolling stock (but a treat for train spotters), lack of interest and investment through the 70's and 80's. poor management and bolshy unions, a total lack of thought of integration of all transport from trams, buses, aviation and even cars, a very poor set up of the privatisation and its goals, shareholder led investment (sorry, grabbing profits before pumping money back in), the complete lack of interest in any major projects that don't involve London, to the current one of HS2, which is starving the north of a comprehensive investment of infrastructure over the South East. HS3 (The cross link between Liverpool and Newcastle, serving the major cities of Manchester, Bradford, Leeds, Sheffield, Hull, York as well) should have been done before any link to London. This really has been 80 years in the making.

  • @RevoeLad
    @RevoeLad 53 минуты назад

    That must be when the Fleetwood line closed? Also Blackpool central station was the largest station 16 platforms, to close in the 60s.

  • @solsticepilgrim
    @solsticepilgrim 6 часов назад

    There was a plan to build a thru' station in Bfd, however this was to have been sited at the old St. James wholesale market which is a good walk away from the city center, up a hill & the other side of the A650 main road! So, not a great idea. Perhaps, the Interchange simply needs rebuilding with a new platform layout and the Bridge Street (bridge) rebuilding and new entrance creating on the north side.

  • @thathurt
    @thathurt 3 часа назад

    Trains aren't any better elsewhere in England I can asure you. They are expensive, overcrowded and often cancelled everywhere. I don't drive so I know how shite they are. Especially since covid they have not reinstated services the same as before. They are understaffed. Every train operator is. Northerners just think they are hard done by. ☹️
    I have used trainpal before to split tickets to save £££. 👍🏻

  • @otakarkuby3926
    @otakarkuby3926 6 часов назад

    5 years of coming into power LOL, how long is a term again!.
    The Government in the 50's 60's Made rail freight "expensive" simply by financing and favouring road freight. (Turning road freight into a monopoly which was what it accused the rail of being). Follow the money of who benefited their. This very reason of "monopoly" by the rail was used as well as inferred corruption to undermine rail freight. You have covered many of the reasons. The government created the environment for road freight to flourish, when a restructuring of bureaucracy and investment would have given us a world class rail system.
    While we have the present government bureaucracy, no mater what party is in power the choices are going to be bad.

  • @DarkEnchantressOfAllThee
    @DarkEnchantressOfAllThee 5 часов назад

    Love your content Turnip, just wondering, have you vlogged Jaywick or plan on doing somewhere down the line? It looks like a sort of place you'd vlog! Maybe an idea for the near future? 😁

  • @ajx8083
    @ajx8083 7 минут назад

    Crack on mate... Iove watching, love what you cover. Cheers 👍

  • @philiphowell1505
    @philiphowell1505 Час назад

    Any form of travel in the uk became as miserable as any other form of everyday life, thank god for the Spanish immigration police and my timely escape.

  • @Alex-uj9gz
    @Alex-uj9gz 2 часа назад

    Really enjoy the down to earth, honest presentation of you videos, which is why it's disappointing to see a blatantly AI generated image used in this one, especially without a disclaimer when discussing historical facts. Maybe it was an honest oversight, and it's up to you what you want to do with your videos but I'd rather no image at all than an AI generated one.

  • @bobzeepl
    @bobzeepl 6 часов назад

    Well I dont know about the UK, but where I live, I take the overpriced trains because of legroom, toilets that arent extemely tiny, and dining vagons. Also, there is usually more to look at from the windows than on a bus, where you see just a highway and those noise insulation walls.

  • @Saints_Mariner
    @Saints_Mariner 2 часа назад

    I was in Korea years ago when strikes were happening. They even had staff in reserve to get the subway running and a quicker service.
    Driving down to London soon. Train prices and services are daylight robbery.

  • @kenpickles7705
    @kenpickles7705 7 часов назад

    Go to langport Somerset. To only pub in Britain where there’s no bar. Goin back in time. I ave been goin there 50 years Elies. Rose crown. When go ask for Maureen. Tell her Ken pickles Lancashire told you come

  • @AnotherNormalYorkshireman
    @AnotherNormalYorkshireman Час назад

    Trains in cornwall are a disgrace too. Barely on time, often dont stop at correct stations and super expensive. Its cheaper to fly when i travel from cornwall to yorkshire.

  • @derrenleepoole
    @derrenleepoole 6 часов назад

    One problem with upgrading and modernising the railways is the legacy of lines that run through towns etc. ii you look at the lines from above, there’s nowhere to expand and modernise too. Lines surrounded by housing and town infrastructure for example.

  • @Cloysterpete
    @Cloysterpete 3 часа назад

    What a complete shit show our Rail has become, we should have state of the art mag lev trains everywhere twenty years ago not these archaic outdated designs. Fares cost a fortune, trains are slow and unreliable, I’m just relieved I don’t have to rely on them.

  • @bettygraham818
    @bettygraham818 5 часов назад

    While I know nothing about commuting ,or Northern trains, please may I add a small positive comment.
    I use a scandinavian train often while visiting a family memeber. The trains are punctual but on the occasional time that one doesn't go on the original route ,I have found there are no staff to help. At one large station a lady with a wheel chair was stuck on a lower platform ,a non funtioning lift and the train she needed on the upper level.
    A second positive is that British railway travellers will allways help an elderly lady who finds the 'gap' and height difficult. I rarely get that help in Copenhagen
    I do agree that we should invest in the train services if only to help get cars off the roads.

  • @littlerollingwheels
    @littlerollingwheels 29 минут назад

    this guy, comparing the best trains in France with the worst trains in the UK. What a load of nonsense

  • @simonjordan8948
    @simonjordan8948 2 часа назад

    I'm 56 and it's sad that your films hold a mirror up to what this country is becoming

  • @wrichard11
    @wrichard11 6 часов назад

    Unfortunately with railways the passenger has to pay for everything. The fuel the track the wages. I can't see nationalisation changing that in any way.

  • @robertbrown3413
    @robertbrown3413 3 часа назад

    Horse & cart possible... electric cars produce emissions covered by the Euro 8 rules.

  • @michaelobrien9825
    @michaelobrien9825 2 часа назад

    I'M BEGINNING TO THINK THAT THE POWERS THAT BE SHOULD JUST CLOSE BRITAIN DOWN AS THIS APPEARS TO BE WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

  • @robknorthwich
    @robknorthwich 4 часа назад

    i was in the RN late 70s to mid 80s and relied on trains but they were terrible and so unreliable it needed privatisation and im not political but in reality can we put a high speed service on a small island just a good reliable service would be good

  • @DavoInMelbourne
    @DavoInMelbourne 32 минуты назад

    British trains, the most expensive and worst trains on the planet. That's 2 wins there!

  • @oncoba1807
    @oncoba1807 7 часов назад

    Will watch in full. Must say the Elizabeth line and thameslink are solid. But then again that's in the south east and we get the spoils here.

  • @Dadopŕsoblueboots
    @Dadopŕsoblueboots Час назад

    I hate public transport. Sell to the highest bidder.

  • @andybrowne2117
    @andybrowne2117 3 часа назад

    Re -nationisation ? I will believe it when it happens ! Money for someone ? !

  • @davidwebb4904
    @davidwebb4904 6 часов назад

    Pay per mile will slaughter the entire car industry.

  • @gordonwebster3809
    @gordonwebster3809 4 часа назад

    ERNEST MARPLES PUT THE BOOT N ON THE RAILWAYS TORY TRANSPORT MINISTER.

  • @ringovision
    @ringovision 7 часов назад

    Good Vibes

  • @psalms519
    @psalms519 6 часов назад

    Can you do video about the mess of Bradford Live

  • @eleanorsteventon7534
    @eleanorsteventon7534 7 часов назад

    One of your best videos yet Turnip, so interesting 🥰

  • @mattonymous
    @mattonymous 5 часов назад

    watching the trains coming in and going out again great content for watching on a train

  • @porkpie2884
    @porkpie2884 2 часа назад

    Anyone who believes a politician is a fool

  • @davidwebb4904
    @davidwebb4904 6 часов назад

    Reason… incompetency and corruption.

  • @hiddenchapter
    @hiddenchapter 6 часов назад

    Would be interested in a similar video on buses in Britain

  • @stevehoole9847
    @stevehoole9847 Час назад

    David, Have you had the Lionel Messi comparison yet? Especially with the new do. Can’t un-see it

  • @jokera7763
    @jokera7763 2 часа назад

    When you stop primarily producing trains that are versatile and durable like how the Steam were, Deltics, HSTs, Class 91s; then trying to replicate the same quality using cheaply produced trains isn’t going to work.
    Fare prices are at an eye watering rate, the standards of service have dropped because the railway has been monopolised and rather than focusing on value for money and comfort, the DfT allowed the focus to change to cramming in as many passengers as they can, and allowing fares to rise without trying to be value for money.
    IMHO, Hitachi 8XXs may be more better in some aspects than the aged trains we got rid of, but what stopped us from revolutionising the railways further by producing top quality locos and rolling stock a step above the Mk3s and Mk4s.

    • @physiocrat7143
      @physiocrat7143 9 минут назад

      Modern trains cost several times what they did in the 1950s, and that is after allowing for inflation.