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Can You Install Windows 10 on a Pentium II?
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- Опубликовано: 19 фев 2018
- Windows 10 is known to be somewhat forgiving on older hardware. But is a Pentium II-based machine up to the task?
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*opens start menu*
CPU: 100% Usage
Memory: 100% Usage
Disk Activity: 0%
my actual cpu is 100%
because it’s designed for windows 7
@@ooferdooferbruh I miss windows 7, when I setup it using iso it won’t work :(
@@ooferdooferbruh That doesn't make much sense. Win10 has the same requirements as Win7. Maybe it's a program like an antivirus on it.
@@Go2L that piece of crap corrupts your passwords, making it to where you can't login.
My mom works in IT and she used to bring home these latitudes all the time, I remember the shell/formfactor. These were awesome with XP running. Great video dude!
i smell an atera ad
@australis I commented on the wrong video, I’m a system admin and I’ve been around PCs for 30 years, I know it’s a a thinkpad, ya twat.
@@zzylos What think?
lucky
Jesus Christ loves you
This guy: *bored and hurried* “I accept all your... whatever”
Bill Gates: “Behold! The ideal customer!”
Computer guys: bottleneck to maximize hardware potentials is magnetic hdd.
Me: bottleneck to maximize hardware potentials is os & drivers.
upgrading hardware must follow upgrading windows is nonsense..what i feel when win98 to winxp no difference speed/performance but when downgrad winxp to win98 i see performance & eficiency but bottlenecked by drivers & apps support.
@@MilkyWay-kz2yn nice profile picture you got there. 🤨
Yeah..nice
That's how you wind up in a human centipad
I miss when Bill Gates was Microsoft guy instead of omnicidal Bond villain
While the memory you purchased was probably salvaged, because of how memory is produced at the EOL there are always large stockpiles of unsold memory left to the manufacturer or OEMs. So despite not being produced in more than a decade, you can still fine brand new dimms
new old stock🤣
Unsealed old stock@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue
Ctrl+alt+del
CPU:129%
Memory:199%
Fake not fake
no fucking no
199% of 30GB... nice try mate.
Ctrl+shift+esc
linux for coding！
When he says that laptop has 160 MB of RAM, 20-year-old me's (from the mid-90's) voice in my head chimed in with "shit, that's a lot of memory" lol. :)
Present day me, having watched a history of Cyrix which talked about Pentium IIs as well last night, said that's a lot of ram for a Pentium II.
@@leylandlynxvlog I remember some of my friends and me, waiting for our lab session for programming ( we were doing a degree in computing in university). One guy says he's just bought a 40 mb hard drive. Someone else replies (his words, I'll never forget them): "40 meg? 40 MEG? FUCK ME?! You'll never fill that!!!!" This was 1995 IIRC. :)
I have 32gb of ddr4 2666mhzt ram, dam how technology has changed, I bet in 10/20 years 32gb will be laughable I bet machines will have around 200/300gb ram easily
@@seanmccafferty3189 I think you got your size or year wrong because 40MB in 1995 was very little. Quantum Fireball was a popular consumer range and they launched in 1995 with their 540 MB and 1.08 GB drives. year after with 640 MB and 1.28 GB. In 1990, 40mb was the smallest size I could get for the computer I bought then.
@@GeirEivindMork We may have had those sizes available in 1995, but as poor students then, we'd have been as likely to afford them as the average house at the time. My first, very basic, PC was an IBM PC/AT, which admittedly was 10 years old at the time of purchase in January 1995, had a whopping 10mb of hard drive storage, and was the type before IDE (I forget the name of it now). I upgraded it gradually, getting my hands on a 40mb IDE drive later that summer when I upgraded the motherboard also. I didn't get a 1.2gb drive until 1997, where I bought a stolen one from a friend who'd nicked it from his work, and it cost me £100 then, a fraction of what it would have cost otherwise.
"It was so advanced for the time they named it after a vegetable"
Ah, I see you're a fan of RUclipsr Peter Knetter...
@@fairyball3929 Yup man of culture
Ha i watch peter knetter
I really like the concept of installing a os on a unsupported device, I would love to see you doing the reverse tough, installing older versions of windows on newer cpus like 7gen up that would be cool, but I guess it would be a lot more expensive to buy newer hardware
The 7th gen cpu will just assign 800 MHz to such to save power and focus on video delivery.
imagine having a super powerful pc with an i7-7700k and 16gb ram with windows 98
that wont work for various reasons.
@@wm2008 I think the latest windows version i7-7700k supports is Windows 7
@@theotherdashmelted A i7-7700 will support XP x64, and even Server 2003 which is based on NT 4.0
Return next week when he tries to install Mac OSX on a Commodore Vic 20.
Don't write that off so easily, there's probably a cartridge.
Return 2 weeks after trys to install Ubuntu on a Sega mega drive lol
lol i had one of those with Data Cassette
Walther Stolzing lol, with an 8 bit CPU
. lol so essentially all modern msOs derive from that pe platform? thats the security breach. ubuntu etc doesnt have that, right?
No it doesnt. He tests a Celeron instead and that doesn't work so he tests a Pentium 3. That doesn't work so he tests another newer Celeron. That doesn't work so he tries another Celeron and it finally works.
Saved you 45 min :)
*YBN*
Who in the world are you talking to? This is RUclips! For cryin' out loud, USE THE REPLY BUTTON UNDER SOMEONE'S POST IF YOU'RE REPLYING TO THEM!!!! Don't just post a whole new comment! STICK WITH THE THREAD THEY STARTED OR COMMENTED IN!!!
@@nakyer they're responding to the title lmao
@@dovesveins333
"No it doesn't" isn't a reply to the title.
@@nakyer Well ,it is pretty easy to figure out and it DID save me 45 minutes. Take your OCD or control mania somewhere else, ty
@@nakyer you're a loon
"Can you install Windows 10 on a Pentium II?"
The channel name: "no"
Lmao best comment ever
Baldi is that you 1 + 5 = 6
@@kaiburrito6216 15"
@@kaiburrito6216 true
*no*
The oldest computer I've gotten Windows 10 to run on is a 2006 Dell Latitude, don't remember specifics but I used it heavily from 2015-2019. I don't remember having to do anything weird or hacky with it, so it must have just been barely on the edge of bare minimum spec. Ran like a champ too, I replaced the HDD with an SSD and upgraded the RAM and that thing was plenty speedy.
I got windows 10 to run on a Dell Latitude D610 from 2004. It’s build 1709 of windows 10 so it doesn’t do much but even better is it can’t update past the anniversary update. Worst part is that it lacks a proper display driver so if the screen turns off it will stay off.
Oh, also, the Dell C510/C610 is one of my favorite laptops of all time. Super easy to work on, very modular, and so many options! I loved the dual battery bay/optical/floppy choices. I could take one apart and put it back together in under 30 minutes! I swear, those things got me thru a few years without a desktop... I had gotten about a dozen broken ones from my high school, and was able to recover enough working parts to build 3 full laptops. I kept swapping parts until I ended up with the husk of one, no keyboard or casings or covers or batteries, just acting like a desktop. Times were hard.
Thankfully now I have a shiny hodgepodge of modern parts.
I can take apart my 08 09 MacBooks and my Lenovo flex 4 14 in around 20 mins
@@coreybabcock2023 and hopefully put them back together again and still have them working :o)
That RAM might just be new old stock, could have a ton sitting in a warehouse in China that never sold before it became obsolete.
My thought exactly, there's a difference between newly produced, factory new and used. There are decades old computer parts or even computers that nobody ever used and are even sealed so it's technically brand new, even though it's painfully obsolete.
Rohan Ron_ON could you provide URL to this video?
Thanks!
I brought my new DDR 2 1066 2gb memory*4 from mircon's official taobao store.so think about it if still have brand new old tech memory being produced.
Edit: those ram I brought them 2 years ago and the l
LOT Number refer to that year the memory produced,cost me a total of 1200RMB to buy it.
If you find some sticks that too cheap(not over 50RMB),it probably may be:
1.fake
2.second handed
3.amd chipsets only
@@MatthiasWelwarsky Given the fact that China will say "tested and working" or "new" on basically anything under the sun and there's a literal fuck ton of videos/comments all over the web of clearly used hardware falsely advertised as "new" or "tested and working" I'd say people have a reason to be a bit suspicious when ordering something over a decade old from China under the pretense of it being "new." I mean people get "Microsoft Authorized Tech Representative" phone calls from someone named Dan Johnson yet the caller has an indian accent so thick you can smell the curry on his breath so I'd be inclined to not believe that one as legit either but that's just my two cents...
I've been building/repairing/upgrading PC's since the IBM XP and AT computers... And I can verify from my own experience that the best way to turn an older working PC into a boat anchor is to try and upgrade it to the next operating system. Every "easy" OS upgrade I was ever involved in left me with a pile of cards and parts left over that the upgraded OS didn't have drivers for, assuming that the motherboard and CPU tolerated the upgrade.
Secondly... every upgrade always required more memory than the previous operating system used to do nearly anything. Half the time the new OS ran at half speed on the old hardware, even with twice the memory.
For example, I upgraded a Dos PC up through Windows 2000 and all it took was
3 motherboards w cpu's
about a dozen memory modules
1 add on HD controller board
3 video cards
1 power supply after the original fried out
2 optical drives
1 updated sound card
4 network cards
5 HDDs
3 sets of network cables
Not to mention 4 OS install sets...
And I'm sure I missed something...
So why do it? Because I couldn't get the funding for a new PC for my desk, but I could order parts... So it was easier to just upgrade than order a new PC... But in any real world, I spent more time and lost more hair doing OS upgrades for my PC and various other PC's around the office than it was ever worth aside from the learning experience.
And I'm not even going to go into the software that breaks when you upgrade a PC, nor the strange intermittent glitches that upgraded PC's are prone to...
If you have a PC that works well, never upgrade the OS, if you know what's good for you.
Take the GNU/Linux pill
@@sakesaurus no
Maybe. I prefer an IBM AT 8Mhz myself. You could do Realsound emulation in 1990 to simulate sound channels. Might work with an IBM XT at 6Mhz, but probably too slow.
I bet sure as shit that the op has no idea what we are even talking about because he was in diapers before getting into computers in the late 80's and early 90's. Onto this "pentium II" bullshit and you could hope he had heard of a 386 or 486 at that time, but NAH!
I have a Lenovo 3000 C200 from 2006, which was very closely related to the thinkpads.
It has a celeron m430 at 1.73Ghz, 512 MB DDR2 667MHz RAM, GMA 950 integrated graphics.
I kid you not in one go, it successfully installed Windows 10 flawlessly and was running it natively. Needless to slay I was a very sluggish experience but it was running natively!
PS-great video!
On those specs i'd be surprised if it didn't run
@@larsalfredhenrikstahlin8012 check out Austin evans old acer laptop video. The guy struggles on that machine, Sam spec as my old laptop😂😂
Extremely underrated RUclipsr. You earned my sub! Well done, impressed with the effort you put into this!
Yes! I just subbed too :D
Yes I agree was surprised when I saw he had 78000 subs. Always quality videos and I love hearing his thoughts.
78000 people is actually a pretty large number of people, when you think about it.
BowlUndrFire you you think of 500,000 it's seems like a lot more. 😉
Anesu C 😀 and his explanation is simple and he does no try to sale crap to us ( I tested all of his feed s and there work as shown in his video s
Putting Windows 10 on such an old system is like trying to put an automatic transmission and power steering in a model T.
Easy, take out the engine no tough electrical things like new cars today
@@antonio1681 And that would be the equivalent of taking out the old laptop's motherboard and CPU and upgrading with a new one.Which, unfortunately on laptops, is impossible, because you would also have to change the screen and the keyboard, by which time you would have paid the cost of a new laptop, which you would have merely stuffed in an old shell, so it would make no sense whatsoever.
I love how guy tries to act like he knows cars
@@michaelroberts1120 Some modules CAN fit and many build Frankenpads (T60/T61 mods) to have an older / retro look and better specs than the oldest one. It's more like passion, makeup and beauty than sense. Recently I discovered something with 2 Dell laptops where 3-4 generations can exchange parts on some level.
LueLou accept you’ve got to spin the torque converter up fast enough to pump fluid through the trans cooler wich it’d need and old standard transmissions worked in more or less the same way they do today, and it is very different than automatics with their planetary gears and drums
Seeing windows 10 not quite run but at least "exist" using 512mb of ram makes me far more confident about a cheap build I'm about to do, great video!
This totally reminds me of the time my Dad upgraded his PC to Windows 8. Crashed the whole thing! 😅
#AntiWindows8
any time you upgrade os to outdated hardware, it never goes well.
@@QuantumScratcher no, you just hate it because its popular to hate, the pc maybe crashed because its slow, or doesnt meet the system requirements
That last computer not installing Win 10 was odd. I installed 10 on a T43p just fine, no hacks involved.
Edit: Turns out the oldest ThinkPad that you can install Win 10 on is the T43.
Make a video of it
I have a T-400 and it occasionally looses video on screen
Was it lagging?
It is lagging on my 5 year old laptop...
Should I get it checked out or something...
@@anomaly9156 Reinstall the OS maybe
Damn, I only have a T42
For a light weight installation that works well with older PCs, installing Windows 10 LTSB usually works well with older PCs due to its smaller profile
False, Regular Windows 10 and LTSC have NO DIFFERENCE in performance
Baboo (a brazilian windows youtuber) made a video comparing them on real hardware
@@R4Y_TWO and you are taking a single, unknown youtuber as a matter of fact? thank you for your time
@@R4Y_TWO 1. It's an unknown RUclipsr. Credit instantly vanished. 2. Ltsb does work on older hardware compared to regular win10. 3. No one cares about your opinion.
windows 10 enterprise IOT ltsc is cool, don't know if the performance is better but it has like, zero UWP on startup and you get an graphical shell like normals windows or you pick the right version
I really enjoyed this video. I was really hoping to see windows 10 run on those laptops, but it was fun watching. And you actually got it working on another laptop. Pretty cool.
Spoiler Alert
16:47 Thats IRQL NOT LESS OR EQUAL
31:00
There, saved you 2/3 of the video.
Finallly!!!!
hero
Looked for no GUI install for USB sticks. Thanks.
flyingtoasters thanks!!!! God bless people like you
I see you everywhere, changed fan
The hardware is from the bad old days when Windows needed a lot of special driver support from the manufacturers, especially laptops. There were a lot of "standards" like PnP that were in flux and hardware makers were not really doing a good job of making sure they complied. Sony was a huge offender in this regard, relying instead on their in-house devs to write custom drivers for Windows, as they always sold their laptops pre-installed with Windows. I remember wiping a Sony I had that required me to go to the Sony support site and download all kinds of drivers and custom install crap to get Windows to install. Same with Thinkpads, though not quite as bad in most cases.
It's not just Sony (the one and only). They all to some degree force you to download drivers and updates for the machine to work correctly. They could, Apple style, just use vanilla hardware on everything so all your drivers from manufacturers are included. But they don't. People want improved performance, hardware manufacturers want fame and glory so they tweak stuff. You're always better off to skip windows drivers and install from the motherboard manufacturer or chip manufacturer. Using windows drivers is a last resort thing.
"We're gonna go one by one..."
Windows Vista gets skipped.
Vista: Am I a joke to you?
(...yes.)
Technically, no. It did not get skipped. Windows 7 is Windows Vista
@@board7374 no it isn't
@@AshutoshKumar-es8xy Can you prove your claim? I sure can mine. Look at the Windows NT version of Vista (6.0) and 7 (6.1).
Windows 7 is quite literally just a "Service Pack 3", or "Rename update", or "DLC to Vista", if you will.
@@board7374 oh okay. My bad
6.1 is not equal to 6.0
Why not just install a modern day Linux distro on it, then you'll have a computer you can actually use.
Well that is a very good suggestion. That would have solved many problems
Linux isn’t a magical fix-all solution. To be honest it’s trash for everything else than KVM and server usage
@@71bw Windows isn't much better though...
CD is limiting? I remember when CD meant very fast install times. My goodness.
You mean CD vs floppy installation?
Soon dvd will be limiting
helloguys it is already
@@SharkVaderYT Well yeah but do you see people putting their home movies on blu ray
It still is. The CD isn't what causes it to be slow. It's the hardware in the laptop
Can you install Windo̶ws 10 on a ̶P̶e̶n̶t̶i̶u̶m̶ ̶I̶I̶?
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̶P̶e̶n̶t̶i̶u̶m̶ ̶I̶I̶I̶?
Celeron M?
You have to be more specific. "Celeron M" was used on many different chips which aren't all SSE3/NX capable just like "Core i7". You can check the processor number at ark.intel.com But if the machine came out before 2007, chances are low. Oh and by the way, you can install windows 10 on any PC, but it may not boot.
EDIT: Nevermind, he explains it at the end.
Celeron 1007U?
-Core Duo-
Try it on a core i9
Celeron D 331 yes
Windows 2000 would run great on that Thinkpad. Win2k can even run XP programs with a little hacking. The perfect OS for it would be "Haiku" it's a very lightweight and fast OS. It's is still in beta, but development has increased rapidly and a Stable release is not many years away at this pace.
Always the extreme 'life support' measures to use these ancient machines. Amazing. Even if it does work it will take forever to do even the most basic function.
Windows 10 (and Windows 8.1) requires a CPU that supports the NX bit, which means a later Pentium 4, or an Athlon 64 or later.
Don't forget the special socket 478 ones too.
Lanturnlord The Core processors are what I think you're referring to, and they're newer than P4.
No I am talking about specific P4 socket 478 cpus
Unless you patch the kernel. It's not easy but if you're familiar with WinPE it's definitely doable.
Lanturnlord Which ones, specifically?
Do a video about the strange underground Windows 2000 mod community. They've made major compatibility enhancements and even entire service packs.
CKT1138 I think I've seen a video of someone installed XP software on a win 2000 pc before.
Bump; highly interested
that sounds incredible
CKT1138
I miss that era! (Windows 2000 is just a updated version of Windows 95/98)
I still have my 12yo Thinpad X200 Tablet and it's working just fine! i upgraded the hard disk to a 200GB one, but i bring it to work at school every day, i had it as a kid and it's absolutley gorgeous
I'm banking on ReactOS to revive all my old hardware. Running windows software on older hardware without the drama of a microsoft oriented setup system, and with the fact that ReactOS has a lot different requirements (the project is aiming to support windows NT 5.1 hardware and work from there) while maintaining the cross compatibility for older hardware which will be so good for people like us; trying to keep using old hardware while running newer software.
Did this really need to be 45 min?
Edit: for all the people saying that it had to be that long,the science elf did a video on restoring a windows xp tablet,guess how long the video was? 8:30 fucking minutes,and everything was perfectly explained
another edit: jesus christ stop replying i dont have that much time to reply xd,just ya know..if you share my opinion,like the comment,if not,no need to comment
last fucking edit i swear: JESUS PEOPLE ARE STILL REPLYING WHAT DID I GET MYSELF INTO
yes
@@tacticalbondsh srsly?
yes
Yes
@@tfr i think not
Nostalgia hardware porn my favourite
What the f...
Wtf XD
This comment is completely normal
Foxy cat lover 2 brewer You don’t need to know
@Foxy cat lover 2 brewer just don't because you might get addicted, we will tell you when your like 18+ above...
If I remember right, it's not too hard to hack in custom display modes into display drivers. I think it's just a matter of adding a few lines to an .inf file for the custom resolution you want.
why can't he use the usb to install windows 10 a pentium 2 has usb port slow as they are they are still usb🤣
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue Because the BIOS can't boot from USB.
@@AngelaTheSephira oh common you can just flash a custom bios on that fixes that simple issue
@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue LMAO no you can't
@@AngelaTheSephira yes you can just because your to stupid not to know how does not change the fact that it can be done🤣
Colin : its hard to beat 7$
Me : hold my 4$
My Pentium 2 destroyed all my friends Celeron's in games. I hated Celeron's they were such garbage
I had two Celeron´s, 1,7ghz then 2,6ghz, they were decent, because i had 1gb of ram. The ram made the huge difference on these systems. It was ok to surf and download movies in minecraft format with 2 or 3 subtitles. Oh boy i will never forget the greatest idea of all time, i tried to download from kazaa and edonkey all no cd cracks i could find. One week later i installed for the first time in my life an anti virus program, Avira found over 12 000 viruses. Celeron´s was the VW of cpu hardware, it did job for the budget.
I had some kind of weird PC that had only one core and a stream processor frequency of 45 megahertz RAM 8 bits
i have a celeron and a 2014 pentium 3 is better i hate it so much
Cool
@@egykilenckilenchet i still use a celeron,it has like 1 core lmaoooo
Most underrated channel on RUclips this guy easily deserves a million of subscribers.
I believe I had that more recent ThinkPad model back in the day! I didn't bother to upgrade it from XP, as I got a new computer with Vista. Also, I'm impressed that Windows 10 runs on that last computer, given that Asus didn't even bother shipping it with the then-current version of Windows (Vista).
I can tell why the first machine didn't want to boot it's because of the 800x600 screen so if you can get an equivalent panel but with a at least 1024x768 screen you should be able to get Windows 7 running
Those old first gen celerons had *no* L2 cache, which made a big impact on their performance, which is why intel made their later celerons with 128k.
eh wrong child most did only a couple of them did not and those that had l2 cache ran circles around the pentiums but if it has no cache then it just makes it more interesting if it does not have cache it's an os not a game🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Regarding the P4 CPU thing. The P4 was a marketing tool in the midst of the Hz wars. The P4 managed to hit some seriously high clock speeds, but the real life experience was poor. Long story short, Intel used a lot of clever techniques (such as branch prediction) to improve matters. Then the focus of the PR shifted from Hertz to Watts. Energy efficiency was now important. Intel went back to the P3 architecture, but retrofitted all the clever stuff they needed to make the P4 usable. The result? The amazing Core architecture. Very efficient and incredibly real-world quick.
Pentium 4s could go as high as 3.8Ghz, something no other processor has been able to do up till this day.
According to my research (via trial and error lol):
It turns out that the oldest processor that can support Windows 10 is the Intel Pentium M (Dothan), which was made in 2005.
Anything older (Pentium 4 included) can only support up to Windows 7.
Also, for you to enjoy Windows 10 on the Pentium M, you need to have a graphics card that has a Microsoft WDDM driver written for it (ATI Mobility Radeon, Nvidia GeForce Go, etc).
Pentium 4 can do 11, so some older cpus can too.
Spending more than 30 minutes just to fail installing Windows 10
Thankyou for saving me time
The Windows 7 installation says it needs 512 MB RAM, yet the minimum system requirements say 1GB. This is why you can't trust system requirements.
That's Windows Vista, not Windows 7
Щас бы на 128 мб ставить Windows 7 + говорить с англоговорящими ребятами на русском
I have a Compaq v2000 that would throttle back the CPU core speed on anything less than 2GB RAM when using XP or 7. Oh and despite it not being compatible it runs better on win 7 then it did on XP
osp80 The V2000 had the same when it was new, I upgraded it to 2GB due to the speed issue and because it was using up the battery inside 45 mins, as it was using the swap file virtually continuity.
That's actually the recommended requirements. Bare minimum is 512MB for 32-bit and 1GB for 64-bit. But it's almost unusable.
People used to complain about Vista but after my old PC's floppy died, there was no way to install the sata drivers. Even slipstreaming didn't work for me. My only choice was to install Vista and it was fine. The only fix I had to do was prevent Vista from installing the onboard nVidia audio drivers. That caused a bluescreen. Installed some drivers that avoided that chip. It was a far better experience than XP in my opinion.
many would call your last sentence BLASPHEMY, but honestly I grew up with Vista SP1 and I didn't experience a single bluescreen
note: I only really looked stuff up online watched videos or played games on its 3 GB of RAM and Celeron 900M 2.2 GHz it was a Compaq Presario CQ60 also I feel robbed that it doesn't have the AMD dual-core of similar clock speed that could also be inside the system
Celeron was designed as low end. I bought a running T61 Thinkpad on eBay and it’s beautiful.
The main difference between a Celeron and a full Pentium two or Pentium III class CPU was that the Celeron had less on processor cache. Also sometimes they run at 66 MHz frontside bus instead of 100 or 133. Also, instead of using a compact flash card, it’s better to use an mSATA to 44-pin IDE adapter. Stick with around 32GB or less. Better than CF for an OS install - Speaking from experience
you have soo much patience I couldn't spend that much time and be sooo calm with soo many failure o_0 good video by the way
You might not have the patience to work in IT, then. Working on servers is just a masterclass in patience, since they can take anywhere from 2 to 30 minutes just to boot, depending on whether they need to perform memory checks and how many HBAs or NICs they have installed that they need to load the BIOS for and scan for bootable devices. I've spent entire work days where I've had OS installations running on machines while I worked on other things just because of crap like this. And you'd better pray to whatever deity you regard as holy if you're working on older IBM power systems, HP UX, or Solaris machines. They're incredibly annoying to install and configure operating systems on and the older IBM systems never seem to install AIX the same each time. I have, however, gotten at least passably good at navigating my way around AIX because of this.
Commenters, please watch the video before making comments - he specifically covers many of your complaints in the video.
PAE, SSE2/3, NX? Yeah, he covers all that.
Boot from USB flash drive? Yeah, he covers that.
I mean, I knew the answer from the start. I still decided to stick around to see what happens.
No. Did you try taking the battery out and turning it back on again? Could be a fuse.
he specifically asks us to tell him why it won't work "in the comments"
What about EFI? That alone would kill this whole idea.
32-bit versions of Windows 10 will load on BIOS systems. I know that even as late as Windows 8, you could load the 64-bit version on non-EFI-boot systems. Not sure about W10.
Not only does Microsoft require specific cpu capabilities over time, they have done it WITHIN releases of an OS. I got bit by this on windows 8 when they went to 8.1 and required CompareExchange128. Your only option was to downgrade from 64 to 32 bit or stay on 8. I want to say it was some kind of C2D chip but it was 8 years ago and my memory is fuzzy.
Very interesting. I upgraded my netbook from 2009 with Windows 7 Starter and Intel Atom to Windows 10 for interest. However, it was no longer really possible to work with it.
I did that aswell. I’m currently downgrading to windows xp
Since my atom worked well with XP I planned to left XP, but for usability I ended up putting rasbian and works really well. And it had a 40 gb hdd, not a sdd.
Netbooks like the EeePC where never meant to be laptops, Colin. They where meant to be internet devices that only needed minimal, cheap hardware but so many people couldn’t grasp the concept and demanded Windows on them that they very quickly ramped up in power but also ramped up in price, much to the chagrin of those of us who actually wanted cheap internet devices and not inconveniently mini laptops.
Lassi Kinnunen in context a laptop is a full desktop PC with a large storage device intended to run productivity software, full games, store and playback music, documents and movies & everything else a PC does. An internet device is (or was) just intended to browse web pages, read emails & open basic attachments and use instant messaging on a larger screen than your phone can provide & netbooks added a physical keyboard to that. You have to understand that at the time smartphones very limited and not the universal norm, so a small, cheap device that didn’t need a lot of storage, or the hardware to run serious games, CAD software etc, etc and as a result offered much longer battery life than a laptop could was very useful at the time.
Do you know the meaning of the word "where" ?
River Cress do you know how you look when you pick on someone who’s severely dyslexic?
They were badly built. Such devices with such bad hardware were faded to be useless (even for web) after like a year or two...
They were a big scam from the enterprises...
Many of them even dont have a decent build quality...
Well I mean was it that people couldn't grasp the concept or was it just that it was a dud idea and people just didn't want it / Wanted something with Windows since Windows is what most people know and use. Exactly why chromebooks aren't super widespread and popular as well.
Extreme patient RUclipsr . you got a new subscriber
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i cant fathom how this video's replayability factor is literally off the charts
it was so fascinating
I don't know if I already commented this. But if your RAM is just about able to make 512MB. You can only run Windows 7...The backround processes that control the OS doesn't have the RAM to do so. Making the laptop freeze while not being able to use these systems.
I was running windows 7 on pentium II with 256MB RAM and it went well. But I had to set up pagefile while the setup was running.
[Spoiler] You can't. Microsoft just included checking of NX bit since win8 and BAM! No old CPU allowed!
Right when Microsoft was pushing free upgrades of Windows 10, I experimented with this quite a bit. I tried every trick I could up through a Pentium 4 with no success. But I did have a Dell Latitude with a Dothan processor, and the Win X pushed without any issues, but that machine was LIMITED to only using the generic display driver, never found a way around that.
Windows 10 only supports Desktop Window Manager which requires WDDM, may be why
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I've installed windows on thousands of computers. Started my business 7 years ago and have installed windows 10 more than any other. I got it to work on a Vista computer once. Oddly got all drivers to work except the video driver where I had to use a windows 8 version of the driver.
I am sure that the device manager on Windows 10 will be full of unknown devices.
Those are from another planet devices for Windows 10.
What I do with a raft of unknown windows devices is boot a Linux mint usb or cd, get hardinfo, see what the devices are and get basic drivers for them. It usually works. You may have to force windows to accept the driver.
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Yeah there were probably a myriad of factors preventing your install:
Onboard gfx for a Celeron was probably not capable of loading the gfx system needed to run the basic Windows environment. If I am not mistaken it was around this time period that Microsoft moved away from text based install or base level operating and required graphics rendering ability from initial install. I remember a few people being upset because now all PC's had to have a gpu to even install the OS, something which wasn't required previously.
And your assessment of Celerons being "just as good" as their Pentium is a simplification of that issue. Yes, you could overclock a Celeron and have a faster clock speed cpu than a Pentium equivalent, But Celoron lacked hyperthreading and SSE which had an immense impact on performance as most software was requiring those instruction sets and pipelines. So the truth is only in very narrow uses would an overclock Celeron actually be consistently better than a Pentium of equal power for most users at the time.
Probably another factor in why the Thinkpad has issues with Windows 7.
Pentium III 450 (model number = MHz) was faster than Celeron 700, so much about not much difference. The size of L2 cache alone is crucial difference. Additionally, Celeron/Celeron A had no SSE, PIII had it.
Perhaps, the trackpoint drivers were not loaded for installation mode? But post install, you don't have that problem anymore?
I have an Acer Aspire One from about 2008 with 1GB of RAM that I was able to install Windows 10 without the need for any additional drivers. Everything worked upon installation. It's obscenely slow, but once booted, I can satisfactorily run Pandora in the browser for a web audio player, but doing anything else with it would probably make me want to launch it across the yard.
"this machine is 10 years old" I think it's quite a bit older than that
Yes, that computer was about 20 years old when this video was uploaded
My computer is 22 years old
@@firepro1869 mine is 11 years old
Would it even improve anything to put Windows 10 on a old laptop? I have a Dell laptop a got new in 2002 and haven’t used it in last 6 years it has Windows XP
@@JasonLewis42 Can you give it me? I like collect old computer.
2:22 Sorry ! I had to laugh ! Great video !! Maybe if you hooked it up to an external monitor the whole of that window may appear with 'next' on it ?
I used to work at an auto parts store where the mini computers ran Pentiums. Even running Linux with a super basic Xorg window manager, they STRUGGLED to function. We had a huge Lenovo server for the whole store, yet the computers ran like garbage. And it didn't help that they use Systemd.
Cheers from a fellow Twin Cities nerd. This makes me want to fire up my old Thinkpad T-20.
Speaking of Celeron overclocking.
This machine is from the era where the early Celerons came to the market. With models such as the 266, 300, and 333, but also the legendary C300A that could overclock way above double it's base clockspeed. The thing with the Celerons was that though the cache was half or even a quarter of the size that the Pentiums used, it ran at full speed. So in many cases, an overclocked Celeron 300A could be on par with or even beat out a similarly clocked Pentium II
A long story below, but you might have flashbacks...
I had a lot of fun overclocking 300A's, but it was very rare to get them over 550MHz or so. I'd buy them in full cartons lots (AU $250 each), clock them all and choose the best one. Then sell the rest of the off as "overclock checked" with specs of MHz and Voltage for $250 (same price). They were easy to sell because people weren't taking a risk. Occasionally you'd get one that couldn't crack 450MHz which was the standard step from 4.5 x 66MHz FSB to 4.5 x 100 MHz FSB, and that meant running a weird FSB like 75 or 83 MHz with all manner of drama of the ISA and AGP. Unlike the AMDs, the Intel chips of that time were Multiplier locked.
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After doing testing, lapping, swapping and selling many times I ended up with my best Malay Retail chip, which I still own! It did 504MHz (4.5 x 112) at well under 2.0V (stock) however I kept bashing up against the CPU Clock and Multiplier/Divider steps that were a limitation in the old MoBos like my Abit BH6. My next step was 4.5 x 124 = 558 MHz which it could handle but needed a voltage boost, plus my PC100 RAM (and controller) was not coping with the 24% overclock. I could change timings and get it stable but it was unhappy in summer, so I just ran it 24/7 for about 3 years at a rock-solid 512MHz.
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I was there right at the beginning, and it took a lot of skill and luck to get good results reliably (for a daily driver machine). After that crazy time, the motherboards improved significantly first with 1MHz FSB steps (eg Abit BF6) and then more control over the various dividers, memory speeds, etc. Now days, overclocking is so damn easy it's ridiculous!
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I kept my Slot 1 300A as my main machine for a long time, it never died but eventually wasn't fast enough. The next upgrade was a AMD Athlon XP1800+ (Barton) and various Socket 478 P4s (so many variants!), but the next huge jump forward was when the Core2Duos came out.
Note that the first (Slot 1) 300A is a different CPU from the earlier Celerons, and heaps different from the Celeron Mobile CPUs.
Spoiler: all legacy Pentiums up to and including the Pentium 4 do not have a security feature required to run Windows 8 or 10, called NX/Execute Disable Bit.
From what I've seen, the maximum memory that the Pentium II could use is 384MB. How did you get it to read 512?
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I ran into the same issue when I was trying to install Windows 8 on an old Sony Vaio laptop about 7 or 8 years ago when I was 11 years old and had nothing better to do. The system had an Intel Pentium single core 1.7 Ghz CPU, 512MB of RAM, and an 80GB hard drive. It came with Windows XP, but it ran Windows 7 32 bit just fine. I couldn't get Windows 8 to install for the same reasons though. I tried all the workarounds I could find, but nothing worked.
meanwhile that time my brother updated the old win 7 pc to win 8 so i cant play games since theres no updated driver, that shit cant even play gba games perfectly
@@ronank2432 lmfao
maybe when they say the ram is brand new is because it's never been used
Precisely. That is all that 'brand new' means.
the very earliest celerons added "on die cache" as a cost cutting measure, which, inadvertently, made celerons outpace pentiums of identical clock speeds
I got Windows 10 32bit running on a Toshiba NB100 netbook. It's an Atom based netbook with a 9 inch 1024x600 display. I maxed out its RAM to 2GB and put a Samsung 840 SSD 128Gb in it. It's not the fastest, but would play streaming services such as BBC iPlayer. Before then it ran Windows XP a bit faster and with an external monitor attached - it has a D-SUB monitor out. I even burnt CD-R, DVD-R, and BD-R backup discs with an attached external drive, using it. Sold it to a happy ebay customer. Got a lot out of it while I had it and the Windows 10 experiment was a fun challenge at the end of my ownership.
I installed Win 10 on my Acer Aspire One Netbook but it ran so slow
I replaced it with Linux Mint.
Mint works great on the old netbooks
Lunix Mint is great
Yeah from my experience Windows 10 is kind of crap on really low in machines I have a laptop with an intel atom and 4 gigs of RAM and it runs like crap with Windows 10. However my i5 7500 GTX 1060 ssd desktop runs Windows 10 flawlessly. I think that most people have issues with Windows 10 because they try to run it on $200 laptops.
Ecorigon IV “really low in machines”. How about low-end users?
@@davidlp3019 I agree with you. :))
Hey Collin! I live in the Minneapolis area, and volunteer at Free Geek Twin Cities every Saturday! I'd love to see you there someday if you could!
You dont know how lucky you are to have something like Free Geek to volunteer at in your country. So cool!
hahahah I live in MN too ITS FRECLEN COLD
Louis Weddall tell me more about free geek please? I'm in a close area! 😊
I live in the Twin Cities area, too. I honestly had never heard of Free Geek until seeing this particular video from Colin. I'm a bit embarrassed since I have been a self-proclaimed 'geek' since 1994. Definitely going to go check it out, today.
Is there a free geek in Seattle?
You'll never know how I was excited for it but the price and age killed it
Lol i think i saw you in a completely different video, i think you commented that your laptop with windows 10 ran slowly or something like that
@@luminumlx2604 please don't be mean :(
@@JonJon-vg2nv what?
I think it's a matter of instruction set: Pentium IIs are missing everything after the MMX. You will never be able to put windows 10 on anything older than a Pentium 4 (Prescott core), because it lacks SSE and SSE2. This also applies to a lot of Linux distros, which will kernel panic due to the lack of proper instruction set.
Windows 10 will, technically, run on a Pentium II, though it will be unusable, due to all the background processes that will instantly cripple it. There may be other system architecture problems, but the core issue is, that PC100 ram. It will run probably run Linux, but XP is the optimal OS for this system... and, if not for the lack of multicore support and serious security issues, I would still be using XP today. Cortana is malware.
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you probably got this joke from plainrock124 lmao
I "ran" Windows 8 on a Pentium III once, because I had an HD with XP and W8… the computer died and I plugged into the P3 and was surprised it booted. It was as sluggish as you can imagine, but what surprised me was that instead of error messages it simply ran with very low bit-depth colour
Correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that the windows media downloader allowed you to split windows installations across multiple 700mb CD's and you can use them to install the whole operating system. It is annoying as hell, but it can be done, I think.
He does have a point...when I was in jr. high, my dad built a Pentium III 600MhZ for his personal home desktop, and for mine he bought a Carleton 400MHz because it was really the time period between when AMD K6-2 3D Now Technology had reached its highest point (550MHz), Pentium II’s were out of production, the AMD Athalon K7 hadn’t yet been released, so there was Pentium III’s and Celerons were all of a sudden in the mix, so I got the 400 MHz Celeron and I built it with an Asus Motherboard, Ram at that time wasn’t much, 1gb RAM was an astronomical pipe-dream at that time (like 1997 or 1998) I had a Voodoo 2 16MB Graphic Card (which I upgraded to a 1st gen ATi Radeon 128mb DDR Graphics card which was incredible, but buggy AF because it was a Prototype or Engineering one of the Electrical Engineers my dad worked with at the time had somehow ended up with & he was like a 60 year-old guy at the time and didn’t really have a use for a video card like that) , Sound Blaster 16, 10/100 local area network card, 56K 3COM modem which my father bought, took out to the parking lot of a Comp USA, switched the board inside the same plastic housing from US Robotics 28.8bps modem, screwed it back together, put it back into its box, took me by the hand back into the store, returned the 56K modem (with the 28.8 bps modems printed circuit board inside of it), got his money back and then explained to me “US Robotics sold me that 28.8 modem under the premise that it would be upgradable to 56K when the time came, then 3COM bought US Robotics, and it wasn’t ever upgradable, but the first batch of 3COM 56K modems we’re in the same white plastic case, so I took it upon myself to upgrade it myself... fast-forward to 2016, I met a woman with whom I fell in love (and vice-versa) the time came for our parents to meet...my dad an Electrical Engineer at the time for a company in Worcester, MA... her dad - Retired Electrical Engineer who worked for 3COM right at that time, so my dad tells her dad this story, and her dad started laughing his ass off, saying “that modem got sent back to us!! It got put on my bench!! Opened it up and said “this has a US Robotics marked circuitboard in it from a years before the marked manufacturing date on the sticker on the bottom of the modem!!” My original point being LOL, I overclocked the living F outta my 400MHz Celeron CPU I was running it at over 1 GHz
I was believing your story until you said you oced the celly to over 1 GHz... then I knew it's all bullshit.
Theres actually a pretty big difference between pII and Celeron. Celeron has 1/4 the cache memory and that’s a huge performance hit
Matthew Denny 1/4th of cache yet still faster.
Celeron is not faster at the same clock speed. They were only faster because they can be clocked higher and that only applies to the desktop models.
But the Celeron’s cache was full speed. The P2’s cache ran at half the CPU speed. And the Celeron’s cache was much lower latency.
In actual everyday use, a P2 of equal speed to a Celeron tended to be about equal.
Mobile was even closer, since the early mobile P2 had only half the L2 cache of the desktop P2, so only double the cache of a Celeron rather than 4x.
The later mobile P2s (100MHz bus) were better, since their L2 cache was full-speed (indeed, the later mobile P2 was based on the Celeron core, with more L2, rather than based on the desktop P2 with separate cache.)
They were also child's play to overclock too. 300A Celeron easily running at 450mhz years ago. Many people went further.
Yup, the 300A Celeron was famous because it used the same basic core as the Pentium 2 450 MHz, but with onboard full-speed L2 cache instead of the off-package 1/2 speed. Because it was the same basic core as the P2/450, it could easily OC to that. And because its official bus speed was 66 MHz, and the P2/450's bus speed was 100 MHz, you could go from 300 to 450 by merely bumping the bus speed - no multiplier change needed.
I think you'd have a better chance installing older operating systems on newer hardware given that x86 is supposed to be backwards compatible going all the back to the 8080.
Short answer: probably yes but it will be slower than running minecraft with 10kb of ram
I mean, there is mc browser edition.
If your ThinkPad has a USB port, you can boot the windows via USB. All you have to do is burn into a cd a boot manager, I used the PloP Boot Manager, then burn the Windows 10/7 .ISO into a usb (not just drag and drop the .ISO, you have to actually "burn" into the USB... It maaaaaaay work just dropping the .ISO file with the newer OS's... but if it doesn't, it's pretty easy finding a software to "burn" into usb isos). Then directly install from boot windows 10. I've did that to install windows XP without having to burn CDs.... Sure, It's USB 1.0 and takes forever, but works!
if you are on windows just use Rufus, it is the best one around and it is open source
Denis Franco And plop to boot using usbs.
In linux its better use the dd command or unetbootin
Rohan Ron_ON Nah... It really depends in what iso and os you want into it... Many bsds, linuxes and custom windows isos wont work into it. It needs to recognize the iso and its format, file system structure, so it may fail in many times. But it is good, not maybe the best
How far can you go in the other direction? What's the most recent computer you can find that will run for example Win98?
I have a Dell GT260 that I installed Win98 on it is a 2003 computer. Fine with 1Gb RAM, not with 2Gb that I use with XP. I have the screen in VGA as no drivers for the dual monitor card I have inside. NT4 is okay.
My shit pc: *gets forced onto windows 10*
Also my shit pc: 👁💧👄💧👁
Windows 10 ' system requirements ' are 1GB Ram for 32 Bit computers or 2GB Ram for 64 bit..........amazing that you got it to work at all.
P2 don't even have VT-x… or SSE4…
Which is require for W10
And NX
Thank you for providing the correct answer. Saved me the whole video.
SSE2, but close enough.
But yeah, bypassing something like SSE2 checks may mean that the CPU tries to run instructions that aren't there. When Windows 10 came out, SSE2 was in many CPUs, many 10 years before Windows 10 was released. SSE2 is in every x64-capable CPU.
If a CPU receives instructions it doesn't know how to execute, it does um.... well... basically undefined behavior. If it does nothing, then some non-SSE2 code that's waiting on a result from SSE2 code will think "wtf man? Where's my data?" I think one aspect of the SSE2 requirement is that all floating-point math gets computed via SSE2 on Windows 10. Any floating point (decimal) number then can potentially crash whatever is being run
Some systems require CPU features like PAE to be enabled in the BIOS. I know it's this way with virtualization. Some PC vendors put in no way of enabling these features.
Vt x isn’t required
Just compile Windows 10 without those extensions and it'll boot. Oh wait...
I also had a room mate who uses one of those asus netbooks as a daily driver. He acts like it’s expensive. Lol
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35:18 Maybe a microcode update could fix that?
43:18 Try "Unknown Devices" to identify the device and "Snappy Driver Installer Origin" to download drivers.
44:02 On cheap devices you have eMMC-drives which are more or less soldered flash-cards to the motherboard.