A couple of thoughts.... 1. If this is really a French guy, I can't see how he can use drone delivery in the US. While a drone can be controlled over the internet via a mobile phone connection, still someone has to load it up with the goods in the US and get it read to fly.
3. A bigger issue can be caused by a malfunction of the drone losing it and its payload on the way to the buyer. I could see this working from a couple of blocks away, just to distance yourself from the buyer.
I was expecting a spy-ish kind delivery, When they put items in certain places like trash cans and tell customer to go pick it up Still that can be a honeypot too
You have to have the parcel delivered somewhere doesn't matter if it's through a drone or not. There is no extra risk, in fact, there's more risk for the person selling than for the one ordering, so this wouldn't be a honeypot, but just an increase of risk for the seller.
Dead drops are easy to bust yeah. Some fed tried to sell state secrets by putting a flash drive inside a half eaten sandwich on concrete steps in an alleyway. Since other feds were on the buying end he was caught red handed. Honeypot maybe but this one sounds more like some kind of scam to me
This is comically stupid. Even if this is legitimate, it's enticing law enforcement with a fun "follow the drone" game. They order a package, get a drone delivery, and then chase the drone with their own.
If it can fly 100km, then good luck with "following" it unless you are in the air, if its a plane or even if it is a quad it will have the advantage of not being bound to roads and it will probably have a reasonable flight speed. Not saying this is real because to me, it doesn't really sound worth the added risk of detection and the added complexity and expense of the operation, I mean someone has got to suspect if they hear an RC plane buzzing over their house all day. But then again, if it is someone who lives outside of surburban areas, its very possible to just send up RC planes without no one ever really knowing the take off point.
@@ET_AYY_LMAOdo it at night as well. What now the police force have to hire readily available drone squad for every other county to properly monitor/ chase. Imagining it mixing with civilians drones well now it’s a hassle.
Reportedly, in Tokyo, local gangs have started using drones to transport drugs across the city. In response, the police are using net-carrying drones to try to capture these packets mid-air. The gangs are counter-attacking with their own net-drones to try and drop police drones. In a statement with the Tokyo police, they say they "Haven't had this much fun in years"
Haven't had this much fun In years.. yeah it's fun now until they get tired of their packs being fucked with and blood starts getting shed over it. Won't be such fun then
I'm European and at least for my country it's the opposite: You want an obvious minor infraction. The cops have a busting quota, and anything counts. So if they stop you and don't find anything, they'll start really searching. If you have an expired first aid kit or something, they'll slap you a ten bucks fine and let you go.
@@MentalOutlaw Gotcha. I virtually stopped using my DJI drone when it required a software upgrade I could tell wasn't good. A few super rich people live near me and you can see from the map that their properties have been fenced off. Flying the thing around here (countryside) isn't fun anymore.
Pretty much all drones, even homemade ones, are requires to have remote ID if they are subject to registration (over 250g). Homemade drones can use a module, tho, which does not broadcast the *operator's* location. DJI drones and the like do broadcast where you are operating from (whereas RID modules only broadcast the takeoff location)
@@vincei4252and DJI has a bunch of other geofencing and stuff because they don't want more regulation from the FAA. Homemade drones have a lot more leeway
@@quehablo Thanks. When I saw the encroachment of extra rules and nonsense I lost the urge to fly mine. Add in that there's a small airport not far from my location its basically game over. I just don't need the hassle.
@@hanelyp1 well, yeah. I find it utterly insane that I can legally build and fly a manned 254 lb (or even more, with special allowances for various things) ultralight aircraft, under FAR part 103, without any ADS-B out, registration, or pilot's license -- but I can't fly a 251g unmanned drone without it being registered and reporting the location of the drone constantly.
I remember the days when having a drone meant you had to make your own, the concept of Remote ID, FAA Registration, Data collection, etc just sounds alien to me.
How long ago was this? I remember seeing drones at the mall when I was in middle school, and I was born in 2000. They costed a few thousands of dollars back then, and they were small and not very capable.
@@maximilian200057 They did, but the hardware to build one wasn't really known about and/or easily accessible with the advent of eBay it became fairly cheap and they became really easy to make.
Yeah, either this is a promotional scheme to get attention for the business, with nobody ever getting the drone delivery DM, or it's some sort of honeypot.
Re: Searching a vehicle after a traffic stop, under the US Constitution, 4th Amendment, the search with a simple traffic stop is limited to what's in plain sight. Not that the current government feels constrained by such rules.
This could actually work assuming two things: 1- the Drones are DIY or made by some third party that's not a legal drone manufacturer 2- the payload considerably surpasses the drone itself in value, meaning the drone itself is more or less disposable, so the seller doesn't need to "return" it but would instead fly it to its demise.
@@lightyagami3492 what I'm thinking is they're going to use cheap diy drones. Make them as bare bones as possible, drop the payload then crash it into a river or something.
@@diamonddogie If it is a fixed point the police would be able to trace it eventually even without getting the drone itself (which if they do enough controlled buys they will get even if it's designed to basically kill itself afterward.)
@@GrumpyIan Im not sure how a kamikaze drone alone would stop the police from finding the dealer. You could find enough info to infer where the dealer is without ever getting a hold of the drone (assuming they aren't moving the launch site)
Hi Mental Outlaw, DoingFedTime made a video in response to this one, where he reads Octopus’ message to critic and debunk the things you went over here, hope you get the chance to check it out
No love for homebrew drone makers. The dynamics of drone control are simple to understand, and coding a drone controller up in a RPI or arduino is a fun project for high school students to learn python.
This would only work in a world where we use drones as much as package mail, and as freely. The only reason some stuff gets through the mail is purely because of the veil of the masses. You're effectively obscured through sheer numbers. And even then, you're still running great risks, and there are multiple weak points possible in the organisation. With drones, you have no such veil. And you introduce a bunch more failure points, running yourself great risk. As well as practically advertising your location AND method to any law enforcement that might want to look into you. It's either monumentally stupid, a meme, or a glowie operation.
If people are using off-the-shelf drones for this, then they are just begging to get caught. However, there is a whole world of enthusiasts who build their own. These drones can be build with parts obtained from Craigslist or eBay (so, no serial numbers), using control systems that have been written by other enthusiasts (so no telemetry being surreptitiously transmitted to the manufacturer or another 3rd party), and of course, they would not be registered nor carry the drone equivalent of ADS-B transponders. In that situation, I don't think drones would compromise OPSEC.
a) Drones can be cheap compared to the cost of an illicit delivery. They could easily be disposable. b) You can build a drone from scratch parts. It's not hard to get around a drone manufacturers software/ID/registration requirements. I like to say criminals are stupid sometimes, but there are clever ones too that can build a one-way drone. Just ask the Ukranians how well disposable drones work.
really? try making a diy GPS drone that is untraceble, reliable, and gauranteed to not give the owner away (serial numbered parts) that cost a few bucks..druggies in prison arent orders kilos of drugs thus u probably cant afford to just be crashing a drone with several hundred bucks. If it's too small/light, itll never make it long distance. One hard gust of wind makes them unrecoverable at a DIY "few bucks" price point... a decent drone isnt cheap anymore.
@@OWNERAdminUser You realize you can scratch serial numbers off of things, right? And if you fly the drone at night it makes it super hard to see (especially if all the lights on it are disabled)
@@Nexalian_Gamer most people cant scrub digital device ID's like MAC address or other unique id from a device. Every bluetooth device has a unique number called a MAC, and that's just one of several that arent reallu changable as far as hardware ids go. I think it can be spoofed temporarily but realistically nobody is doing that. Most devices have ability multiple IMEI numbers too.
I read a story of smugglers using homing pigeons to cross the border. The problem with that is they need to smuggle the birds back after delivery since they only home towards home. Also, there is the predator and reliability issue
Imagine the battery takes a shit, the drone hits a gust of wind or something goes wrong. Law enforcement plugs in the SD card in finds the GPS, date, time, pics of home with address visible, and 4K HD footage of the buyers face staring up at the drone. lol.
there's an app published by the EU govt on fdroid that allows anyone to remote shutdown a drone using IR radio. Essentially a TV remote. so i hope the drone is shielded to not respond to interference on the noisiest radio band of them all
In Europe we do not have those post boxes and they usually do not leave packages at a houses door step in like the US, so yes it does make sense why they want to use Drones.
I really like the general "in Europe" descriptors. There's a shitload of variety across the continent, things will be very different from one place to another. Here in more or less rural Germany leaving packages outside your front door is very common.
@@miken3963 "Rural" sure, if you go to villages in my country everyone knows the postman so they do whatever, even throw the package inside your garden if you want to. I have used DPD, DHL, GLS, FedEx, UPS on multiple Europe countries when travelling, most of them are now forcing signature or pin codes to drop the package.
Considering I found 4oz of fen+ inside two NES game paks found at a flea market game vendor, I can confirm “pack never arrived” legit happens. ;) Porch pirate? Little brother with a jailed big brother? Misdelivered? Don’t know but whoever traded it to the game vendor obviously didn’t know what was in there.
@@codemiesterbeats wish it were in N.A.R.C, M.U.L.E, or Dr. Mario instead of Golf and PAL Roller Games! Sure you didn’t see it already? They even joked about it on The Tonight Show! I’ll just say to BOLO for a broken PAL copy of Isolated Warrior that feels strangely heavy since they seem to have mixed up the board with Roller Games (wrong board inside). ;)
I've seen stealth so good I had to double take before lol. 4oz of decent fent is a fuck load my man. Hope you didn't get the worst addiction ever from it or almost die.
@@Will-uv9kx Thanks. People were practically beating my door down for it so I had to make sure they knew I didn’t have it anymore before I knew what it was. I had to record myself getting rid of it and with that, it went even more viral. I didn’t find out what it was until a year later but I found it on a livestream so there was no hiding it. This was all back in 2018.
If the French police is similar to the German police, they are happy as soon as they find something, anything, to screw you over. Every time I get pulled out and and they find that I am not drunk, they keep looking for potential mistakes, but when they pulled me over for being on the phone while driving they checked nothing at all. So having a minor infringement that is easy to spot could prevent them from further searching maybe...
In my previous company we built a prototype drone which had a raspberry pi with a 5g SIM card. You could send commands to the pi to fly the drone, because of the 5g network you could have much further distance to fly the drone. I wander if these deliveries use similar tech
how many 5g cell phones u know of without provisioning running a version of Aosp? Cant be too many. Any the devices old enough to be able to hack and still be cheap shrinks all the time
It's like buying from a local dealer. There are obviously risks, but one obvious advantage for the seller could be establishing direct connection with the customer base, avoiding market fees and exit scams.
You need a warrant to search a car in at least parts of europe, too. Now they can trick the driver into showing some of his car by asking if he has the required warning triangle and first aid kit, but you can just say you dont and pay the fine for that if you dont want to open your trunk.
When you compare drone delivery to mail delivery saying that drones will lock it down to a couple of towns, so does mail. Some vendors drive an hour or so away but not many. This still gives the same basic locality you were talking about.
1. Police make fake orders until they find the 50 mile range 2. They wait until they see the drone 3. they activate the universal "Drone Landing Signal" which forces the drone to land or they just get the delivery and catch the drone before it tries to leave 4. They then get the brand, serial number and other identifiable info from the drone 5. They go to the company who made the drone and ask who owns it (warrant it necessary) 6. Prison
Probably the smartest way of doing this would be to make cheap single use drones. 3d printed parts etc... they're probably going out to places with little to no traffic, fly the drone to the drop off, then crash it.
I blame Octopussy, but whenever I see the Octopus used as a logo for anything, no matter how cute they try to make it, I immediately get a flight-fight nervous system response....
You can easily build your own octocopter. Already done bevor they where sold commercially. No traceback here. With 4G the drone operator dont need to be on the same continent. You just start the drone from secluded place in the woods from a car. The drone land in totally different position. Now you just need a few smurfs driving around and reload the drone. Much more safer than a street corner.
you can use a univetsal tv remote controller, find the channel quickly or spam them all, it'll drop pretty fast. the tech to do this for a diy is cheap, but not cheap for 3 letter organizations to do cheap, yet
@@OWNERAdminUser Totally false, you couldn't drop a drone with a dedicated super high power infrared light let alone a tv remote. Where did you get this idea from?
@@definingslawek4731 it's a project i saw being worked on in a github public github project. Drones are vulnerable to exploits like any other device might be. Here's an ongoing persistent issue nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2022-29945
Specifying the radius seems like a huge opsec flaw; if it's a fixed launch base, the opposition would just have to get a few shipments approved to narrow down exactly where the launch site is by checking the Venn diagram.
As an interesting concept this might be, the only thing that would gatekeep the normal person is the ability to manufacture your own drones under the radar, since most parts are heavily serialized now-a-days so you would have to find parts that (no pun intended) fly under the radar, plus everything must be built in a cleanroom along with be operated on a custom frequency for each drone, cause if any go down or get taken in as evidence there's always a risk of it being tracked back to you or one of your employees (if you had any) I had thought about this like I do most things, but anything that **Risks** jail time isn't usually worth it.
I think that the drone idea might be better for local dealers and not the international drug trade. You can always ditch the drone if you suspect that its being watched vs the risk of a sting operation if you go in person.
One thing about those traffic stop busts is more than likely someone talked or someone got busted and they connected dots. Completely random traffic stop busts are usually rare. The news just likes to hype up the article titles. Trust me on that, i wont elaborate. Ive seen first hand a bust and the news wrote it up like it was just a random event.
The whole “registered drone” thing is stupid. Building fast FPV drones is a huge hobby on its own, these can go well over 100mph, are obviously not registered, require no internet whatsoever and can easily carry an additional GoPro. So with such a drone making a rapid delivery would be very easy. At the speeds they go, flying close to the ground they would be near impossible to track, far too small and nimble to track from the ground and nearly impossible to see from a helicopter. And even if they get spotted you can just crash them into the nearest river since they are pretty cheap to build (only a couple hundred dollars) I believe if executed correctly this would totally work.
Staying anonymous is all about "applied" Information Theory. There's a pretty cool blogpost out there about how many bits of information Light was leaking to L from his various actions lol
In Europe since 2021 all drones from 250g must be registred and operators must have license. In my country if you want to record some images with your drone you must have permission from military even if you want to fly in a area without any military bases or airports.
I've been saying roughly-this to "but what about ammo?" for years - that the same technology that has made guns easy to get will also make narcosubs more available. The hard part, the software, is something you can "just download" already (e.g. Ardupilot).
It is very easy to make a couple of drone solar powered battery equiped bases/port connected to the internet via 4G. You can use two or more drones to set a wireless mesh with each other, each being crontroled through a differend band and protocol, the middle drone acting as tunnel relay. The relay drone can connect to a static 4G source or even carry a 4G router itself. The ports themselves can act as relays and only be activated as relay if a 3rd/4th relay drone approaches its coverage area.
As someone who allegedly dealt drugs at one point I think drone drops are bad for the vendor and buyer, its sooo sus for anyone involved. Just meet in person and dont sell to strangers damnit or pls build your own drone.
I love how the future is apparently using expensive hard to replace nonedible government clocked tools to commit crimes when birds like pigeons are literally right there, cost like 13$ per bird, are trainable, and cops are not gonna see a bird flying around and immediately clock it having potential contraband, all while also doubling as a chill friend or dinner depending on circumstances. I mean this is obviously a honeypot but it still is kinda funny lol.
I could see a drone going to a camp (a low security institution that might have a fence, but is the lowest security of correctional facilities), but it'd have to be timed perfectly, and it'd have to be a really quiet drone!!!
8:20 I think you missing the points with drones. You can build your own drones; order parts and put them together. It's quite common within the FPV drone community. Drones are not trackable as you think they are.
Makes sense, it's too hard to pull off drone delivery legally, which is why you don't see it, but, it was easy to do years ago, and now it's cheap *and* easy to do, provided you don't care about pesky laws and regulations.
Honestly, your point about how you felt that big law enforcement and clean landscapes around prisons should dissuade drones could make for a great video topic. There's been multiple cases of drones flying over restricted spaces in the US, even over nuclear reactor facilities. The operators never got caught.
The idea of someone buying a drone through “illicit means” makes me giggle. Wait until you hear about these crazy illicit marketplaces for legal goods called eBay and craigslist haha.
There are companies who will override your drone and modify it to avoid all of that location tracking serial number stuff lol. Get better antennas for range etc
Making your own drone isn’t very hard. And getting the parts for it is quite easy as well. You just need to get the individual parts delivered in a college or engineering institution. Many robotics team operate from there, and you just pay a kid to get your parts delivered.
There are Russian kamikaze drones built from cheap materials that have a range of up to 10 kilometers and carry a RPG grenade. It's not that hard to build a homemade drone with a longer range if you've got the money and cartels sure do. No registration with the FAA, no manufacturer snitching to the police. Imagine how powerful these things will be when machine vision is advanced enough to be installed on a drone with a google satellite view
@@apache937that's why Pentagon uses Starlink in Ukraine, killed thousands already, Raegan Star wars at max-he wanted be able target rockets, but this thing can guide and target moving car
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Thanks for showing so beautifully why all the FAA regulations and Remote ID are so nonsensical and only hurt law-abiding citizens trying to have some harmless fun. Anyone intending on doing anything criminal is not gonna register or put a Remote-ID module in their drone.
The reason drone delivery is hard isn't because of the technology. It takes learning, like any tech, but the hardware and software needed to do it are readily available from normal retailers. The reason drone delivery is hard is because of the rules. Normally, a commercial drone is not allowed to go beyond visual line of sight of the operator. Normally, a commercial drone is not allowed to fly over people. Normally, a drone is not allowed to operate within 5 miles of an airport without authorization, which limits operational areas. As far as the registration thing goes, it's not hard to get around at all. Let alone actual criminals, there's a *large* portion of the drone community that doesn't follow those ridiculous rules either.
Wow it even delivers the feds right to your door!
wow, how convenient! mucho beuno!
A couple of thoughts....
1. If this is really a French guy, I can't see how he can use drone delivery in the US. While a drone can be controlled over the internet via a mobile phone connection, still someone has to load it up with the goods in the US and get it read to fly.
2. Tracking can be disabled on some models, so that's not an issue, a bigger issue is tracking the radio signal by triangulation.
3. A bigger issue can be caused by a malfunction of the drone losing it and its payload on the way to the buyer.
I could see this working from a couple of blocks away, just to distance yourself from the buyer.
4. Proof of delivery can be obtained by real time video recorded on the operator's remote control. Check!
Definitely not a honeypot
I was expecting a spy-ish kind delivery,
When they put items in certain places like trash cans and tell customer to go pick it up
Still that can be a honeypot too
You have to have the parcel delivered somewhere doesn't matter if it's through a drone or not. There is no extra risk, in fact, there's more risk for the person selling than for the one ordering, so this wouldn't be a honeypot, but just an increase of risk for the seller.
Yeah. It's like 3-10 deliveries away from getting triangulated if it's legit.
Dead drops are easy to bust yeah. Some fed tried to sell state secrets by putting a flash drive inside a half eaten sandwich on concrete steps in an alleyway. Since other feds were on the buying end he was caught red handed. Honeypot maybe but this one sounds more like some kind of scam to me
There isn't an increased risk for the seller if they're a fed
I watched a drone drop a bundle of heroin, meth, and suboxone strips over a fence in rehab in 2019. Wild
Sounds like it could be a deleted scene from Mr. Robot
Thats a pretty shitty kill streak imo
@@markrichards7452 OUR UAV IS ONLINE
@MentalOutlaw Haha! Cut to my roommate giving me big Fernando Vera vibes after doing a line in the bathroom lmaoo
LMAO it will eventually earn u a gunship just gotta give it some time@@markrichards7452
bro made an analogy between death note anime and dark net honey pot drone vendors. reached full geek
Fucking beautiful analogy if you ask me 😂
He transcended the nerd-time continuum
Pretty accurate though
This is comically stupid. Even if this is legitimate, it's enticing law enforcement with a fun "follow the drone" game. They order a package, get a drone delivery, and then chase the drone with their own.
Time to upgrade them to battle drones
If it can fly 100km, then good luck with "following" it unless you are in the air, if its a plane or even if it is a quad it will have the advantage of not being bound to roads and it will probably have a reasonable flight speed. Not saying this is real because to me, it doesn't really sound worth the added risk of detection and the added complexity and expense of the operation, I mean someone has got to suspect if they hear an RC plane buzzing over their house all day. But then again, if it is someone who lives outside of surburban areas, its very possible to just send up RC planes without no one ever really knowing the take off point.
@@ET_AYY_LMAOdo it at night as well. What now the police force have to hire readily available drone squad for every other county to properly monitor/ chase. Imagining it mixing with civilians drones well now it’s a hassle.
@@ET_AYY_LMAO you could just follow it with another drone, that's the point I'm making.
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Reportedly, in Tokyo, local gangs have started using drones to transport drugs across the city.
In response, the police are using net-carrying drones to try to capture these packets mid-air.
The gangs are counter-attacking with their own net-drones to try and drop police drones.
In a statement with the Tokyo police, they say they "Haven't had this much fun in years"
It's Shinsengumi all over again
there's gangs in japan?
Du-ron-gumi wars
Haven't had this much fun In years.. yeah it's fun now until they get tired of their packs being fucked with and blood starts getting shed over it. Won't be such fun then
@@Benjamin_GellmanTheres gangs everywhere, brazil, spain, germany you name it. Everywhere where poor neighborhoods exist.
I'm European and at least for my country it's the opposite: You want an obvious minor infraction. The cops have a busting quota, and anything counts. So if they stop you and don't find anything, they'll start really searching. If you have an expired first aid kit or something, they'll slap you a ten bucks fine and let you go.
which country (if you don't mind)
Sounds like the average Eastern European shit hole or the balkans
@jakobbruhspenning guessing Poland
@@AverageAlienhate the fact I read it and instantly thought "Poland?"
Def Poland
Drones not carrying a bomb is actually a good thing nowadays
Aren't drones, except for home made ones, subject to registering the drone ID and the drone sending its location to the feds ?
In USA yes except for really small drones. But I think this vendor is based in France
@@MentalOutlaw Gotcha. I virtually stopped using my DJI drone when it required a software upgrade I could tell wasn't good. A few super rich people live near me and you can see from the map that their properties have been fenced off. Flying the thing around here (countryside) isn't fun anymore.
Pretty much all drones, even homemade ones, are requires to have remote ID if they are subject to registration (over 250g). Homemade drones can use a module, tho, which does not broadcast the *operator's* location. DJI drones and the like do broadcast where you are operating from (whereas RID modules only broadcast the takeoff location)
@@vincei4252and DJI has a bunch of other geofencing and stuff because they don't want more regulation from the FAA. Homemade drones have a lot more leeway
@@quehablo Thanks. When I saw the encroachment of extra rules and nonsense I lost the urge to fly mine. Add in that there's a small airport not far from my location its basically game over. I just don't need the hassle.
The future is now.
Also: I can promise you, most *legit* drone operators probably aren't following the rules entirely (particularly remote id).
Such being the consequence of insane regulation.
@@hanelyp1 well, yeah. I find it utterly insane that I can legally build and fly a manned 254 lb (or even more, with special allowances for various things) ultralight aircraft, under FAR part 103, without any ADS-B out, registration, or pilot's license -- but I can't fly a 251g unmanned drone without it being registered and reporting the location of the drone constantly.
@@quehablo *THANK YOU* 👏
@@quehablo Uhh, I mean, I would presume that this is because there is a much lower chance of abuse when you're *in* the aircraft lol
@@userequaltoNullhahahahahahahahahaah
I remember the days when having a drone meant you had to make your own, the concept of Remote ID, FAA Registration, Data collection, etc just sounds alien to me.
How long ago was this? I remember seeing drones at the mall when I was in middle school, and I was born in 2000. They costed a few thousands of dollars back then, and they were small and not very capable.
@@maximilian200057 They did, but the hardware to build one wasn't really known about and/or easily accessible with the advent of eBay it became fairly cheap and they became really easy to make.
Anytime something is invented, ALWAYS expect the government to step in and ruin it. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Either the dumbest honeypot ever or pretty funny advertising
Yeah, either this is a promotional scheme to get attention for the business, with nobody ever getting the drone delivery DM, or it's some sort of honeypot.
Re: Searching a vehicle after a traffic stop, under the US Constitution, 4th Amendment, the search with a simple traffic stop is limited to what's in plain sight. Not that the current government feels constrained by such rules.
cops really do not give a fuck lmao
Check out the "lawcomic fourth amendment flowchart". Shows that there are a ton of non obvious edge cases to bypass this restriction.
“mah constitution says you can’t do this!!”
Meanwhile all they have to do:
"Ermm I smell weed in the car, time for a probable cause search!"
That sorta mentality is why you live under tyranny and just shrug.
Btw if you buy a used drone online (that's over the FAA weight), it is already registered to the last owner.
thats only dji
@@BOTGRINDERwdym
This could actually work assuming two things:
1- the Drones are DIY or made by some third party that's not a legal drone manufacturer
2- the payload considerably surpasses the drone itself in value, meaning the drone itself is more or less disposable, so the seller doesn't need to "return" it but would instead fly it to its demise.
How do you solve the issue of the police knowing you are within 50km from the buyer?
@@lightyagami3492it's like trying to triangulate with one point(assuming the launch location isn't fixed
@@lightyagami3492 what I'm thinking is they're going to use cheap diy drones. Make them as bare bones as possible, drop the payload then crash it into a river or something.
@@diamonddogie If it is a fixed point the police would be able to trace it eventually even without getting the drone itself (which if they do enough controlled buys they will get even if it's designed to basically kill itself afterward.)
@@GrumpyIan Im not sure how a kamikaze drone alone would stop the police from finding the dealer. You could find enough info to infer where the dealer is without ever getting a hold of the drone (assuming they aren't moving the launch site)
In France, Police can come to your home to search it between 6h & 22h with just "suspicion". No warant needed.
Shame
@@bofeity Hope you holding up aite man.
Only under "état d'urgence" afaik
@@NorthernChimp no, no need for that. I learned that 10 years ago, so before "état d'urgence" was a thing.
@@yabayao Not without a warrant.
Hi Mental Outlaw, DoingFedTime made a video in response to this one, where he reads Octopus’ message to critic and debunk the things you went over here, hope you get the chance to check it out
Actually in France police doesn't need a warrant, they can just blaze in at 4am to search you socks drawer
i heard Guilty until proven innocent. Is that effective?
No love for homebrew drone makers. The dynamics of drone control are simple to understand, and coding a drone controller up in a RPI or arduino is a fun project for high school students to learn python.
I see Doingfedtime has brought a few of yall here😂
Hard cut to someone's neighbor watching a drugged child slave plummet to the ground after being release from an unmanned drone
This would only work in a world where we use drones as much as package mail, and as freely. The only reason some stuff gets through the mail is purely because of the veil of the masses.
You're effectively obscured through sheer numbers. And even then, you're still running great risks, and there are multiple weak points possible in the organisation.
With drones, you have no such veil. And you introduce a bunch more failure points, running yourself great risk. As well as practically advertising your location AND method to any law enforcement that might want to look into you.
It's either monumentally stupid, a meme, or a glowie operation.
This is very common in rural areas. Apparently they do this in Russia. Or other countries with super strict laws. They use dead drops or drones.
If people are using off-the-shelf drones for this, then they are just begging to get caught. However, there is a whole world of enthusiasts who build their own. These drones can be build with parts obtained from Craigslist or eBay (so, no serial numbers), using control systems that have been written by other enthusiasts (so no telemetry being surreptitiously transmitted to the manufacturer or another 3rd party), and of course, they would not be registered nor carry the drone equivalent of ADS-B transponders. In that situation, I don't think drones would compromise OPSEC.
SIGINT is a thing
Are there any "prebuilt" drones other than dji? I cant seem to find one
'Illicit pharmaceutical goods' I will be using this phrase from now on
prepared by the finest street pharmacists
a) Drones can be cheap compared to the cost of an illicit delivery. They could easily be disposable. b) You can build a drone from scratch parts. It's not hard to get around a drone manufacturers software/ID/registration requirements.
I like to say criminals are stupid sometimes, but there are clever ones too that can build a one-way drone. Just ask the Ukranians how well disposable drones work.
really? try making a diy GPS drone that is untraceble, reliable, and gauranteed to not give the owner away (serial numbered parts) that cost a few bucks..druggies in prison arent orders kilos of drugs thus u probably cant afford to just be crashing a drone with several hundred bucks. If it's too small/light, itll never make it long distance. One hard gust of wind makes them unrecoverable at a DIY "few bucks" price point... a decent drone isnt cheap anymore.
@@OWNERAdminUser You realize you can scratch serial numbers off of things, right? And if you fly the drone at night it makes it super hard to see (especially if all the lights on it are disabled)
@@Nexalian_Gamer most people cant scrub digital device ID's like MAC address or other unique id from a device. Every bluetooth device has a unique number called a MAC, and that's just one of several that arent reallu changable as far as hardware ids go. I think it can be spoofed temporarily but realistically nobody is doing that. Most devices have ability multiple IMEI numbers too.
I read a story of smugglers using homing pigeons to cross the border. The problem with that is they need to smuggle the birds back after delivery since they only home towards home. Also, there is the predator and reliability issue
In China where people were locked into their apartments during the lockdowns , people used their drones to catch fish...
no way.
Imagine the battery takes a shit, the drone hits a gust of wind or something goes wrong. Law enforcement plugs in the SD card in finds the GPS, date, time, pics of home with address visible, and 4K HD footage of the buyers face staring up at the drone. lol.
Home made drones do not require SD cards. But yes, lol.
there's an app published by the EU govt on fdroid that allows anyone to remote shutdown a drone using IR radio. Essentially a TV remote. so i hope the drone is shielded to not respond to interference on the noisiest radio band of them all
In that case the drone should automatically destroy itself if it loses power.
@@OWNERAdminUser What's it called? I searched for it and couldnt find it. Also what is IR radio? When I search that nothing comes up either.
In Europe we do not have those post boxes and they usually do not leave packages at a houses door step in like the US, so yes it does make sense why they want to use Drones.
I really like the general "in Europe" descriptors. There's a shitload of variety across the continent, things will be very different from one place to another.
Here in more or less rural Germany leaving packages outside your front door is very common.
@@miken3963 "Rural" sure, if you go to villages in my country everyone knows the postman so they do whatever, even throw the package inside your garden if you want to.
I have used DPD, DHL, GLS, FedEx, UPS on multiple Europe countries when travelling, most of them are now forcing signature or pin codes to drop the package.
Maybe in your country, but that's not most of Europe
The issue with registering drones is that if you are decently skilled, you can just buy multiple small drones and assemble them into a bigger drone.
Considering I found 4oz of fen+ inside two NES game paks found at a flea market game vendor, I can confirm “pack never arrived” legit happens. ;) Porch pirate? Little brother with a jailed big brother? Misdelivered? Don’t know but whoever traded it to the game vendor obviously didn’t know what was in there.
Lol not sure if a joke 😂
Picturing a guy blowing out an NES cartridge in a cloud of white dust and he either 💀☠️ or 🚀 🌙
@@codemiesterbeats wish it were in N.A.R.C, M.U.L.E, or Dr. Mario instead of Golf and PAL Roller Games!
Sure you didn’t see it already? They even joked about it on The Tonight Show! I’ll just say to BOLO for a broken PAL copy of Isolated Warrior that feels strangely heavy since they seem to have mixed up the board with Roller Games (wrong board inside). ;)
I've seen stealth so good I had to double take before lol.
4oz of decent fent is a fuck load my man. Hope you didn't get the worst addiction ever from it or almost die.
@@Will-uv9kx Thanks. People were practically beating my door down for it so I had to make sure they knew I didn’t have it anymore before I knew what it was. I had to record myself getting rid of it and with that, it went even more viral. I didn’t find out what it was until a year later but I found it on a livestream so there was no hiding it. This was all back in 2018.
If the French police is similar to the German police, they are happy as soon as they find something, anything, to screw you over. Every time I get pulled out and and they find that I am not drunk, they keep looking for potential mistakes, but when they pulled me over for being on the phone while driving they checked nothing at all. So having a minor infringement that is easy to spot could prevent them from further searching maybe...
I think it's similar in Poland. They have a quota of how many people they need to ID and check.
I used to live in The Netherlands & they had a saying there that if you're breaking the big laws you've gotta obey the little ones.
In my previous company we built a prototype drone which had a raspberry pi with a 5g SIM card. You could send commands to the pi to fly the drone, because of the 5g network you could have much further distance to fly the drone. I wander if these deliveries use similar tech
Now have it perch on a power line and recharge the battery. ;)
how many 5g cell phones u know of without provisioning running a version of Aosp? Cant be too many. Any the devices old enough to be able to hack and still be cheap shrinks all the time
i just pissed on my wall
I can clean it for you sir, Im thirsty
ever seen that one police bodycam video where they saw the nut wall
@@mrmaxinamillionplease enlighten me
same
lol same
It's like buying from a local dealer. There are obviously risks, but one obvious advantage for the seller could be establishing direct connection with the customer base, avoiding market fees and exit scams.
You need a warrant to search a car in at least parts of europe, too. Now they can trick the driver into showing some of his car by asking if he has the required warning triangle and first aid kit, but you can just say you dont and pay the fine for that if you dont want to open your trunk.
You talk about drone laws like a drug dealer is going to follow them
When you compare drone delivery to mail delivery saying that drones will lock it down to a couple of towns, so does mail. Some vendors drive an hour or so away but not many. This still gives the same basic locality you were talking about.
Thanks Kenny that Michele Jordan clip turned my life around I’m now off the fent!!
1. Police make fake orders until they find the 50 mile range
2. They wait until they see the drone
3. they activate the universal "Drone Landing Signal" which forces the drone to land or they just get the delivery and catch the drone before it tries to leave
4. They then get the brand, serial number and other identifiable info from the drone
5. They go to the company who made the drone and ask who owns it (warrant it necessary)
6. Prison
They could remove brand, serial, stuff like that.
you're very charitable with how provocative oinkers are for this type of thing.
I would assume that they would not be retarded enough to use commercial drones for this endevour
Lol you can just build your own drone, and if you are a good enough pilot then it's gonna be cheap too.
@Qiyokuu and bully random bypassers
1:00 I was doing exactly that while watching this part of the video.
Probably the smartest way of doing this would be to make cheap single use drones. 3d printed parts etc... they're probably going out to places with little to no traffic, fly the drone to the drop off, then crash it.
I blame Octopussy, but whenever I see the Octopus used as a logo for anything, no matter how cute they try to make it, I immediately get a flight-fight nervous system response....
You can easily build your own octocopter. Already done bevor they where sold commercially. No traceback here. With 4G the drone operator dont need to be on the same continent. You just start the drone from secluded place in the woods from a car. The drone land in totally different position.
Now you just need a few smurfs driving around and reload the drone. Much more safer than a street corner.
you can use a univetsal tv remote controller, find the channel quickly or spam them all, it'll drop pretty fast. the tech to do this for a diy is cheap, but not cheap for 3 letter organizations to do cheap, yet
@@OWNERAdminUser Totally false, you couldn't drop a drone with a dedicated super high power infrared light let alone a tv remote. Where did you get this idea from?
@@definingslawek4731 it's a project i saw being worked on in a github public github project. Drones are vulnerable to exploits like any other device might be. Here's an ongoing persistent issue nvd.nist.gov/vuln/detail/CVE-2022-29945
Specifying the radius seems like a huge opsec flaw; if it's a fixed launch base, the opposition would just have to get a few shipments approved to narrow down exactly where the launch site is by checking the Venn diagram.
At night with anti IR paintjob. Hell yes. Anyone with that you know that they aint gonna screw you over with an exit scam
Sounds like it's probably just marketing, just like it is for amazon, and it sure worked evidenced by this video.
As an interesting concept this might be, the only thing that would gatekeep the normal person is the ability to manufacture your own drones under the radar, since most parts are heavily serialized now-a-days so you would have to find parts that (no pun intended) fly under the radar, plus everything must be built in a cleanroom along with be operated on a custom frequency for each drone, cause if any go down or get taken in as evidence there's always a risk of it being tracked back to you or one of your employees (if you had any)
I had thought about this like I do most things, but anything that **Risks** jail time isn't usually worth it.
I think that the drone idea might be better for local dealers and not the international drug trade. You can always ditch the drone if you suspect that its being watched vs the risk of a sting operation if you go in person.
One thing about those traffic stop busts is more than likely someone talked or someone got busted and they connected dots. Completely random traffic stop busts are usually rare. The news just likes to hype up the article titles. Trust me on that, i wont elaborate. Ive seen first hand a bust and the news wrote it up like it was just a random event.
I could imagine a trucker being great for drone delivery system. It's hard to pin down a trucker even when they have an active warrant.
This isn’t going to end well.
Isn’t this the plot of the movie Balto?
I love my skynet drone crushed flinstone gummy delivery army now!
2:54 someone was LARPing as a Ukrainian drone pilot
hunter killer drone in the AO!!!
The whole “registered drone” thing is stupid. Building fast FPV drones is a huge hobby on its own, these can go well over 100mph, are obviously not registered, require no internet whatsoever and can easily carry an additional GoPro. So with such a drone making a rapid delivery would be very easy. At the speeds they go, flying close to the ground they would be near impossible to track, far too small and nimble to track from the ground and nearly impossible to see from a helicopter. And even if they get spotted you can just crash them into the nearest river since they are pretty cheap to build (only a couple hundred dollars)
I believe if executed correctly this would totally work.
Doing Fed Time has a video response coming up 🍿
2:10 LULZ, the prisoners are playing a game called "Cornhole" LMAO!
"your flying a drone illegally, so therefor I can get a warrant for your home"' said no law enforcement ever
Staying anonymous is all about "applied" Information Theory. There's a pretty cool blogpost out there about how many bits of information Light was leaking to L from his various actions lol
@definingslawek4731 [I got a notification but can't see your comment now. Sigh… YT has been really acting up in the past few days.]
Yes, Gwern.
It is insane haha. Doxing themself within 32 miles of their location.
The drone would have to make the delivery then fly off and destroy itself. If I'm selling I wouldn't count on drone reuse, it's just too risky.
In Europe since 2021 all drones from 250g must be registred and operators must have license. In my country if you want to record some images with your drone you must have permission from military even if you want to fly in a area without any military bases or airports.
Your a real Legend in your own mind.
Should be at least 2 drone teams. Even basic street folks know to keep isolation from cash to stash.
Absolutely top notch OPSEC
I've been saying roughly-this to "but what about ammo?" for years - that the same technology that has made guns easy to get will also make narcosubs more available. The hard part, the software, is something you can "just download" already (e.g. Ardupilot).
Well if you're styropyro you won't need ammo. You just need electricity which can be obtained with a generator.
It is very easy to make a couple of drone solar powered battery equiped bases/port connected to the internet via 4G. You can use two or more drones to set a wireless mesh with each other, each being crontroled through a differend band and protocol, the middle drone acting as tunnel relay. The relay drone can connect to a static 4G source or even carry a 4G router itself. The ports themselves can act as relays and only be activated as relay if a 3rd/4th relay drone approaches its coverage area.
As someone who allegedly dealt drugs at one point I think drone drops are bad for the vendor and buyer, its sooo sus for anyone involved. Just meet in person and dont sell to strangers damnit or pls build your own drone.
Social anxiety says NO to your in person drugs.
use cellular for drones
@@balsalmalberto8086 nah it says dont take drugs. XD
I love how the future is apparently using expensive hard to replace nonedible government clocked tools to commit crimes when birds like pigeons are literally right there, cost like 13$ per bird, are trainable, and cops are not gonna see a bird flying around and immediately clock it having potential contraband, all while also doubling as a chill friend or dinner depending on circumstances. I mean this is obviously a honeypot but it still is kinda funny lol.
This warms my heart
it's basically the service from "Welcome to the Game II” computer game
The drone probably glows with the light of 50 suns
I could see a drone going to a camp (a low security institution that might have a fence, but is the lowest security of correctional facilities), but it'd have to be timed perfectly, and it'd have to be a really quiet drone!!!
tinywhoops OP ! !
8:20 I think you missing the points with drones. You can build your own drones; order parts and put them together. It's quite common within the FPV drone community. Drones are not trackable as you think they are.
Makes sense, it's too hard to pull off drone delivery legally, which is why you don't see it, but, it was easy to do years ago, and now it's cheap *and* easy to do, provided you don't care about pesky laws and regulations.
Improvise, Adapt, Overcome
so technically i could door dash by drone
Honestly, your point about how you felt that big law enforcement and clean landscapes around prisons should dissuade drones could make for a great video topic. There's been multiple cases of drones flying over restricted spaces in the US, even over nuclear reactor facilities. The operators never got caught.
The idea of someone buying a drone through “illicit means” makes me giggle. Wait until you hear about these crazy illicit marketplaces for legal goods called eBay and craigslist haha.
Giant drone to pick you up from jail
You would think the cop could just follow it back with there own counter drone.
"Paw Patrol Multivitamin Gummies" Yeah bro that shit'll fuck you up.
There are companies who will override your drone and modify it to avoid all of that location tracking serial number stuff lol. Get better antennas for range etc
Making your own drone isn’t very hard. And getting the parts for it is quite easy as well. You just need to get the individual parts delivered in a college or engineering institution. Many robotics team operate from there, and you just pay a kid to get your parts delivered.
It sounds like extremely bad opsec for both parties involved. But it 100% sounds like a service people would use
use cellular for drones
I thought that this was archetyp UI and that Mental Outlaw was Octopus lol
There are Russian kamikaze drones built from cheap materials that have a range of up to 10 kilometers and carry a RPG grenade. It's not that hard to build a homemade drone with a longer range if you've got the money and cartels sure do. No registration with the FAA, no manufacturer snitching to the police. Imagine how powerful these things will be when machine vision is advanced enough to be installed on a drone with a google satellite view
Copied from ISIS like every single military "innovation" in the past 10 years
Machine vision already can do that but its just hard to fit the hardware on the drone, but if it has internet cnnection to remote server.... boom
@@apache937that's why Pentagon uses Starlink in Ukraine, killed thousands already, Raegan Star wars at max-he wanted be able target rockets, but this thing can guide and target moving car
"a tie dye tor tee" sounds both like hot nonsense, and something I have to own
Mfw the feds use my own drones to locate my trap house
This is for sure a honeypot my guy
I thought that Octopus Art looks like a Octoling
"Hello youtube, this is TowerGuardTV and welcome back to episode 10 of your favorite series 'Drone Skeet Shooting'. This time we fished some chonky octocopters and a ton of white powder out of the sky."
Fucking Dread captcha is unsolvable.
What's funny is octopus actually responded to this video
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Thanks for showing so beautifully why all the FAA regulations and Remote ID are so nonsensical and only hurt law-abiding citizens trying to have some harmless fun.
Anyone intending on doing anything criminal is not gonna register or put a Remote-ID module in their drone.
The reason drone delivery is hard isn't because of the technology. It takes learning, like any tech, but the hardware and software needed to do it are readily available from normal retailers.
The reason drone delivery is hard is because of the rules. Normally, a commercial drone is not allowed to go beyond visual line of sight of the operator. Normally, a commercial drone is not allowed to fly over people. Normally, a drone is not allowed to operate within 5 miles of an airport without authorization, which limits operational areas.
As far as the registration thing goes, it's not hard to get around at all. Let alone actual criminals, there's a *large* portion of the drone community that doesn't follow those ridiculous rules either.
They use one time use drones. AI guided. No human traces. Drops off package, then self destructs.