How Murray Rothbard Became a Libertarian - The Turney Collection - Libertarianism.org
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- A prolific author and Austrian economist, Murray Rothbard promoted a form of free market anarchism he called "anarcho-capitalism."
In this talk, given at the 1981 National Libertarian Party Convention, Rothbard tells the story of how he came to learn about economics and libertarianism as he grew up in the Bronx and attended Columbia University in the 1930s and 40s. He reminisces about meeting Frank Chodorov, Baldy Harper, George Stigler and Ludwig von Mises, and takes a number of audience questions.
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Thank you Murray Rothbard for helping me become the Free Market Anarchist I am today💛🖤
R.I.P
@Triple5Filth why do people have an-caps so much?
Is it just because there ‘not real’ anarchists or something?
they are programmed to hate capitalism that's why.
You guys are right about one thing and that is that I should say free market. Soooo
@Triple5Filth monopolies are impossible without a government,hence ANARCHO capitalism
preach
all politics aside, that dude's got a million dollar laugh
Murray's laugh is just terrific, in an 'it's so jarring it's hilarious way.'
He is very funny
You just have to love this guy
The voluntarist Murray would oppose such authoritarianism.
He seemed like the sweetest guy.
Im so sad that i will never have the chance to meet Murray :(
maybe in paradise we will attend his classes
I am blessed I got to meet him and sit next to him at a gold conference many years ago. I remember his smile, his laugh, he was a great listener, so humble despite his brilliance,
@@mysticmaverick1 I'm happy for you there he is a brilliant mind I'm just glad the internet has immortalized him outside of just writing. Agree or disagree with every word if someone has read or listened to him they learned something about the world.
I did meet him. He had infectious joy for life.
i became a libertarian by listening to peter schiff, tom woods, and ron paul :)
I became a Libertarian by listening to the Neocons and Neolibs.
@@flamefusion8963 Lol, me too. A lot of us have.
Don't forget Larken Rose!
@Bennett Baum Schiff is definitely a libertarian and Austrian economist. I think you probably heard some of the more questionable things that he has said...
Yea peter schiff did it for me, and then I found Milton freidman and Thomas sowel
I became a libertarian by reading Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman. And then Robert Nozick pushed me towards anarcho-capitalism, with some help from David Friedman and others. But it cannot be denied that Rothbard was a most prolific writer, and covered just about every possible argument you've ever encountered.
Just discovered Rothbard!
Congrats your life is about to change, for the better.
Enjoy!!
You're lucky. He will make you a better writer and thinker, and make you be able to think 3, 4, 5 steps ahead on issues in social and political life
3 years ago.. hope you’ve enjoyed his work
He was converted to anarchism by liberals. Nice.
No.
Anarchism is a Left Philosophy....classical liberalism is left leaning....libertarianism is born from left-anarchy and Mutualism
Rothbard has ALSO stated that his philosophy is not really anarchy, strictly speaking.....because of his Propertarian Overtones.
I like Rothbard but he and Rockwell drastically moved Mises toward the right....should have opened Rothbard Institute and leaves Mises in New England
@@OctoBox personal responsibility and self reliance aren't left wing ideas. if you are making reference to Proudhorn or Goldman they were communists. and communism is the opposite of anarchy
@@OctoBox Right-wing anarchism has existed long before Rothbard, such as with Gustav de Molinari and Lysander Spooner.
@@OctoBox Anarchism is a term looted by the lefties, like many others.
Im a new Libertarian. This was fun. I really enjoyed this. Im grateful.
Garylk Woodlard l welcome aboard! Great starting point!
Too sad he left us at just 68 years of age! He could have given a lot more!! R.I.P Dear Murray!
It must have been a truely amazing experience to attend such a lecture from arguably the greatest economist who has ever lived.
I attended the University of Colorado lecture referred to by one of the questioners.
Wow a Ron Paul reference by Murray Rothbard in 1981?!
1:15:48
The idea of Richard Nixon as an anarchist is pretty damn funny don't care who you are.
Don Stacy Now people are trying to say Trump is good for Libertarians, wonder how much they'll regret it in the same vein.
@@Vuk11Media that was my thought exactly.
Trump is in favor of liberty like falling from 50 ft is better than falling from 25 ft because it's further from the ground.
@@shadfurman I voted for Trump because he promised a withdrawal from the Middle East (which, of course, wasn't entirely fulfilled) and because Gary Johnson wouldn't know what libertarianism was if you held up "Man, Economy and State" to his face.
@@Vuk11Media It stems from this alliance with the conservatives I think, I hate it.
He's just a tad bit better than biden (imo) but not by that much.
I just finished reading Rothbard's essay "Anatomy of the State", I feel as if my views on the state have been forever altered.... for the better, of course.
Anatomy of The State is actually the third chapter of Rothbard's Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature and Other Essays, which is (obviously) a collection of his other essays. I haven't read the entire book yet, since it is a collection of essays that can be read on their own, but based on what I have read so far I would certainly recommend it.
I just did this morning and that's why I'm here :D
Two years after this comment I just had the same experience.
I hope from then until now you've picked up man economy and state
@@vcalv9354 got his libertarian manifestó. Ill look at that once im done. Quit terrible at reading.
This is one of the few speeches I've heard with Murray actually speaking. I always associate Murray's voice with Jeff Riggenbach's thanks to his audiobook work.
Cinnamonbuns13 Guess it shouldn't come as a surprise that Libertarians don't actually read even the books of their own icons.
chris are you really basing your assumptions on one libertarian comment, I am by no means the most well read libertarian out there but The Road To Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek is the book that engaged me to libertarian philosophy. I have read a handful more since then. But my point is an audio book and a plain book are almost equivalent if your paying attention as far as I can tell.
chris TIL audiobooks aren't reading.
Cinnamonbuns13
Of course not, are you kidding? Listening is not reading, they are completely different ways of taking in information.
l scientifically audiobooks are proven to be just as merited
To be in that living room must've been amazing
Remember when you're watching this: You're watching the history of the Mises Academy.
The difference pre-computer people had in terms of speech...The announcer had no written speech, no wandering message...all natural and straight like a bullet! Love it and miss it!
55:13 I didn't know the libertarian movement existed in Brazil in 1981, I thought it had started with Mises Brazil and Daniel Fraga...
If someone has information about how was the movement arround that time, please share with me
Fraga mito
I wanna know that so bad. Did you got any info?
Great question. I wonder who gave Murray that present.
@@gilima190 Not yet...
@@Fernando-iy3fg O mais perto do movimento libertário com viés Anarco Capitalista, foi com o Mario Ferreira dos Santos. Ele foi um ancom, que tinha idéias extremamentes parecidas com o Rothbard e suas obras são incríveis. Porém, ele morreu no final da década de 60, e mesmo com diversas pesquisas, nunca encontrei nada sobre isso...
The current libertarian Party is a joke
flik221 sadly, even though the ideology is legendary
How so?
@@TomBrooklyn they're not libertarian for one
There’s a term Hoppe has for them, cosmopolitan libertarians? I can’t remember his exact wording there, but the general point is that you had people running for the presidency in the libertarian party that had never heard of/read Rothbard; they are what what would be referred to as “closer socialists” in the fact that their ideology was anything but libertarian. Lolbertarian’s has been a term tossed around in the last few years. They focus on sort of a hedonism, anything goes, drug use, sexuality, etc. They also differ in regards to key issues versus the Hobbe and Rothbard types who define themselves as being very right wing, the other wing is very left wing in its social viewpoints and it’s sort of strict adherence to the non aggression principle even in the face of subversion and deviation from what should be tried and respect practices.
I agree. They got jo jorgensen pandering to the left smh
This has been a joy to watch. Thank you so much!
Oh how the Libertarian Party has fallen since the days of Rothbard.
In what ways?
@@TomBrooklyn Not adhering to libertarianism, its lack of radicalism, it being subverted by leftists, lackluster messaging, its advocacy of open borders, I could go on.
What is Aleppo?
@Igor Horváth I agree rothbard said education and spreading the message is what we should focus on. Not pandering to the left to try to win an unwinnable election
@@neeltheother2342 I’m fine with open borders
Thanks *so* much for uploading this... Murray was such an amazing genius: it's always humbling and inspiring to watch him speak.
@@thotslayer9914 he is
@@thotslayer9914 Old enough to have gone from libertarian at 15 (was never a leftist), to an anarchist at 49, and back to libertarian again at 52.
@@thotslayer9914 Libertarian is neither left nor right, but forced redistribution can not be libertarian. It must be voluntary for all parties.
@@thotslayer9914 Long is talking about first use of the term, not about the meaning in political philosophy. I endorse the classical liberal and NAP versions in political philosophy. Said another way, the original meaning of a term is often different from the current meaning.
@@thotslayer9914 After years of looking into this, I have seen anarchist used in a left context at times, of course, but never libertarian. However, I dispute that these anarchists were left, as if there is no government at all, there can be no forced redistribution that is outside of thugs running around and doing it. As far as I can see, this talk about "left and right libertarian" started mostly with the highly confused political compass test, that I believe to be intentionally deceptive. The wiki was changed only after this confused people for several years.
This can be compared with what has occurred with the term "liberal" which started meaning supporting individual rights, but was twisted by Progressive Amercians to mean various shades of leftism. I also dispute that "right" means supporting individual rights. My view is that "right" means nothing clear, but that "left" is consistently about forced redistribution.
I was born in 1974 & I wish I was able to meet him. I'll tell you this, for a new liberty changed my world.
What a shame that Rothbard never finished that book on the Progressive Era that he talks about here at 1:25:40. That would have been joy to read and learn about.
You may have heard about this by now, but that book is scheduled for publishing sometime this year! I'm looking forward to getting it when it's available.
@IvanTheHeathen I know your comment is from 3 years ago. I hope you found out that his book finally got posthumously published. Murray must be the most prolific dead writer that ever existed.
Just finished reading my first Rothbard book.
So long, Dear Murray! Your ideas shall live on the collective mind of the liberalism forever!
I really wish more of these videos were out there. I love listening to him...
My professor got me into Rothbard. I feel welcome to politics now, so I will carry him with me forever.
As a dumbo, l get to feel smart knowing that Murray was wrong on copyright
5:18: That needs to be cropped and turned into a meme.
"That was a real shokeroo lol!"
Tom Snyder, you wrong. The movement is growing and strong world wide now. Cheers from Rio de Janeiro.
Rothbard isnt libertarian. He evolved to a higher being of anarchism.
They are the same thing. Consistent libertarianism is anarchism.
DanielTheSexiest why are anarchist so left wing?
DanielTheSexiest And consistent anarchism is anti-capitalist.
“Capitalism is the fullest expression of anarchism, and anarchism is the fullest expression of capitalism. Not only are they compatible, but you can't really have one without the other. True anarchism will be capitalism, and true capitalism will be anarchism”
― Murray N. Rothbard
Damon Maetche I think the term you mean is anarcho capitalist, not anti capitalist.
Truly a fascinating guy. I disagree with about 40% - 45% of his philosophy, but they're quite compelling views.
Wha views?
I disagree only 1%. About the copyrights.
I disagree roughly 1% maybe less
+Gabriel Costa Chaves Why?
Privatizing police and that kind of stuff is one of the most important parts of his works
Does anyone have an idea about which magazine is that on minute 55? I'm very curious about Brazilian libertarians in the early 80's
came across murry recently on a podcast. needed to put a face to the voice, and laugh, just loved his delivery from start to end
0:21 Did she just say "keeping us online?" Didn't know people said that in 1981.
well, they just ment phone lines back theb
Love this talk. 3rd or 4th time watching this in the last 3 years on different channels.
There was a Brazilian libertarian magazine in 1981??? What? Can someone please find out for me what it was called?
An old friend of mine is one of the questioners.
Genius.......love his laugh......
rock star entrance
What a charmer he was.
When was this uploaded? This one's new to me... thought I'd seen all the Rothbard one can find... thanks for this :)
I've always enjoyed Murray. He was down to earth, but still extreme. A true radical. Reading "For A New Liberty," one gets the sense he would make EVERYTHING private property.
Thank you, Mr. Rothbard. Long may you run. Rest in peace, sir.
I wish I had been there. Murray ❤️
His description of the progressive era is being relived today to the letter of his statement.
Thank you very much for this video.
He says children have the right to not be molested or attacked, but Murray Rothbard believes that abortion should be legal. I finally found a point I completely disagree with him on. Sad.
bryan furr yep. I was stymied when I heard that.
Truly speaking, Anarcho-capitalism is not labelled as Libertarianism. Libertarians, at least Minarchists think that a minimum amount of government is necessary in order to protect individual liberties. As the great Thomas Jefferson said very well, "If people have been angels, there would have been no need of a government. But actually, people are far from being angels, that's why we need a government." In a Republic as like United States, this government is kept at its minimum role through the constitution which defines and establishes the government.
which Brazilian magazine was that that was gifted to Murray at 54:54? I _must_ find out.
It's great to see the opening applause.
true hero.
This NAP guy, Murray, violently made me watch this using his insidious charm and laugh. What a hypocrite))
hahaha
does anyone can spell to me the name of the first book he taled about to that he read when he was young ?
This guy is like if Milton Friedman's son finally got him into anarchism.
That would be David D Friedman
Brilliant.
Hello Students from David Gordon's History of Anarchism course
Go liberty im from argentina 🇦🇷
Is that Lew Rockwell who asks Murray the question about the lighthouse at 1:04:20?
Looks like it, sounds like it...
Murray Nerdbard. Love the guy.
Who is the person that introduced him?
What is important is that participation be voluntary, and that the "consent of the governed" is always necessary for whatever system of libertarianism is adopted. Moreover: if you're trying to win an aggregate, it makes more sense to have the minarchists work with you, rather than against you. Well, what common cause is there? Easy: proper jury trials. Even big government Hamilton defended Croswell urging the jury to nullify (throw out) the law. If all laws can be thrown out, progress is possibl
In 1973 Rothbard wrote "For A New Liberty." The second edition, which I have, came out in 1978. In this book he was very optimistic that libertarianism was about to take off. Obviously it didn't.
Keep in mind about that "Idols have Feet of Clay" thing.
Rothbard didn't believe in homesteading space. He thought only governments could get enough resources to go off-world.
Time has proven that wrong, and likely he would have changed his mind, but it's always important to question everyone's preconceptions.
Awesome, he gets it.
The "budding libertarian" who attacked him for not being a "pure Rothbardian" is more than likely Konkin
Murray!? We can't win if there's still one judge/mother WORKING on earth...!
One thing about Rothbard I won't understand is his thought of traitionalism as a construct promoted by the state to control people when throughout the modern era (post renaissance) the state has denigrated traitionalism among the people to gain more state control and the whole of the welfare nanny state in the west has hinged on undermining the more natural and traditional (with some exceptions like supporting free markets by conservatives) ways people lived.
In my view, nuclear weapons fall under the purview of violating other people's property rights due to the very nature of how the after effects of a nuclear explosion would affect the surrounding area. In other words, one can't contain nuclear radiation from spilling over onto other people's property. I don't think it's a far leap, though, to say that if that's the case, then guns themselves should be outlawed because they shoot a round that could end up affecting another person's property, even if the destruction is microscopically miniscule compared to a nuclear explosion and its after effects on a surrounding area.
I think explosive weapon ownership and manufacture is criminal. Military spending only leads to the destruction of capital.
***** I would not even begin to consider this an argument of "willing to use force to enforce". I find this would never even need to reach that point if you try this perspective. Self-interested free market forces would dictate weapons have a very small share of capital in a voluntary society. Firstly to use them there is an implicit use of excessive force were the great majority of conflicts will head to private 3rd party firms. This certainly does not include all conflicts or all uses of said weapons. It does however reduce demand greatly and as demand is reduced the marketability of capital intensive products falls proportionally. The only way to increase the demand would be to stimulate conflict (What you see now with governments). The only other solution in a free market to stop your company from losing market share is to reduce their company size and/or diversify to other industries.
There is no force involved in the free market but the fact that your mind leads to thinking others will impose force ***** just shows how pervasive the concept of coercion is including how you just to the conclusion that he will use it. TheZeroRanger has a right to his opinion but it is just that; an opinion it is not a statement of how he will go about enforcing other peoples actions. It is simply the showing of non-support for the specified industries and a couple of reasons as to why.
***** Attempting to note I am not applying the cost/benefit analysis of the philosophical perspective denoted with the free market is erroneous. Specifically because your second paragraph is exactly how a free market without coercion works. It sounds as if you have a fundamental misunderstanding attributed towards how a market actually functions. The fact that you think the word "free" in the term Free Market applies to human nature in a negative connotation is currently baseless considering you tried to use a liberal amount of attacks without any evidence or counter points just makes you sound scared my examples actually prove to be applicable.
Also claiming I oppose Marxism is also erroneous as I did not provide examples or proof denoting how Marxism would be a failure. Your ad-hominem do not build your position they only show how you prefer to use baseless attacks over evidence and proof based on the world we share.
Surprised at his absolute support of pro choice, for such a smart man I am surprised he magically thinks cells become a separate person when they pass through the birth canal.
Could you guys at libertarianism point org PLEASE enable web M and html5 encoding, so I can listen to these things at 1 point 5X? That's one of the nicest things about youtube, is its ability to speed up the playback and learn faster. It may also benefit artilects who are interested in human thought. Thanks.
I remember him saying in EOL that nuclear weapons or any WMD are unlibertarian per se but I don't recall him saying that they should be illegal (private property law). It seems to me that he pretty much expressed the same view here.
One glance at libertarians in general nowadays, and the Libertarian Party specifically, and i think Rothbard would have scoffed at still calling himself a 'libertarian.' Many 'libertarians' today are libertarians in the same way that Democratic liberals are classical liberals. We are talking about an age in which LP candidate Gary Johnson is not against military intervention, not in favor of wholesale drug decriminalization, is against supreme private property (the Christian bakery controversy), and has as a running mate a Democrat who lauded Hillary Clinton and is now running as a Republican. In which another candidate spewed vitriol at libertarians who subscribe to the non-aggression principle, etc.
Gary Johnson also came out in favor of a carbon tax. Rothbard would have scoffed at the global warming hysteria.
Not to worry, I'm perfectly willing to admit if I get something wrong.
It seems that he changed his mind after 1976, which is the last time I heard about him on the subject, when he addressed the idea of homesteading space.
Note that that's not even the question, the question is "free enterprise", which is not always the same thing anyway.
I'm sorry he didn't live long enough for the subject to come up again in a completely unambiguous way, but I expect he 1976 comments were later dropped.
Who is the person introducing Murray?
Did you see my debates with all the high profile anarchists: Walter Block, David Friedman, Pross, Molynuex, Rose and Rothschild? See at you tube/janhelfeld
***** Rothbard gives a great speech about his coming to libertarianism and involvement in the libertarian movement, and you use it as an opportunity for promotion. Nice!
***** You should do one with Tom Woods some time as well.
Christian Ponicki Tom interviewed me and was very complimentary of my interviews. Yes, a cordial debate would be good, if that is possible.
*****
He does a daily show on his RUclips channel and has interviews/debates nearly every day. I wouldn't imagine it being too difficult to arrange that!
Christian Ponicki Thank you. Also, go ahead and suggest it to him as well.
Who was the woman at the start?
I think it's Mary Louise Hanson.
And we all sang Gold and Silver,
Free banking and free trade.
Whoever thought the Thirties
Would be called the good old days?
24:43: Who was it in reference to?
Anyone know who were those Brazilians libertarians and their magazine? Thank you
Murray Rothbard is 'libertarian' in the same sense that people who eat meat are vegans. In his own book he writes:
"One gratifying aspect of our rise to some prominence is that, for the first time in my memory, we, “our side,” had captured a crucial word from the enemy. Other words, such as “liberal,” had been originally identified with laissez-faire libertarians, but had been captured by left-wing statists, forcing us in the 1940s to call ourselves rather feebly “true” or “classical” liberals.15 “Libertarians,” in contrast, had long been simply a polite word for left-wing anarchists, that is for anti-private property anarchists, either of the communist or syndicalist variety. But now we had taken it over, and more properly from the view of etymology; since we were proponents of individual liberty and therefore of the individual’s right to his property. - Murray Rothbard, "The Betrayal of the American Right" page 83
@1:04:20 Ah, interesting, now I know where the Independent Institute gets its symbol, the lighthouse, from. Cool.
Rothbard is wrong the movement hadn't grown at all in 1981 !
Compared to today :)
52:36? can someone write what he said?
bro what is it with all the comments having 100+ likes it's so wierd
who dat introducing murray? mary ruwart?
+Zachary Young I was wondering the same thing
+Josey Wales The lady who introduced Rothbard was M. L. (Mary Louise) Hanson, then the Vice Chair of the Libertarian Party.
Eric D. July (YoungRippa59) sent me
16:48 anyone else hear the burp?
@27:43 ‼️what does he mean when he says “liberal”? Does he mean classical liberal or neo-liberal?‼️
Obviously modern liberal, ie social democrat.
Robert Romero neo-liberals ?
@@reecealeck8314 Yes. The ORIGINAL meaning of "liberal" meant something very different. Mises called himself a liberal. OBVIOUSLY, that did NOT mean he was aligned with modern "liberals".
RIP
What was that last question about?!
Where did this take place?
The LP convention n Denver, 1981.
ron paul 1 16 20
Joe is right. A ' libertarian' with his ( or her ) socks pulled up, and, anger finely - tuned, MUST abstain from resort to services provided by Leviathan. Or, at least, card-carrying Austrians have to make a Herculean effort to have not a brass razoo drop into the mits of the Federals.
that laugh is more contagious than ebola
right and you pay maximal possible amount :-D
People please don't feed the trolls, flamers, griefers...
awesome video....
taxation is theft