PLS BE KIND!!!! And pls express ur opinions so we can have a conversation and discussion and not an argument because I’m sick and tired of arguing for no reason so pls be kind and tell me what u think ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Nehir Gedik no she doesn’t. It’s impossible to even talk with a neutral larynx let alone singing. It’s raised but it’s not forced. That’s why her having a raised larynx is not a problem for her
This is a great beginning of Ariana's new era. Era where she's actually appreciated as a vocalist. I hope someday all of those delusional stans will just leave behind all that bullshit about "support". Literally there're FREE sources of information. Nope, we'd better watch YT-made up "science" and all of a sudden we can judge who's good and who's bad. It doesn't work like that. Thank you again for doing it, it means a lot to me and, I'm sure, for Ariana as well :)
I do think ppl do too much and run with the common narratives about these singers techniques and all, but sometimes it’s just the truth. While I appreciate ari as a vocalist because I think the things she can do with her voice is just incredible, supported or not, she does have her issues. She’s inconsistent with her support but that doesn’t make her a bad vocalist
@@onedollarbleach6891 she has weaknesses just like any great vocalist. There's no reason to pretend like whatever her weaknesses are, are special or uncommon, just saying. Also yeah, it's the truth sometimes, other times it's an uninformed opinion and it's important that you just recognize the difference between the two, when it comes up.
Alana Gibbs never said they were special or uncommon I was just pointing it out bc just as it’s wrong to pretend like these technical issues are unique to her, it’s dishonest to pretend like she’s vocally perfect. We have to be honest and recognize her flaws, which isn’t a bad thing bc every artist has their flaws
I think all of her Broadway training is one of the main reasons her technique is so awesome. She probably wouldn’t be able to support that high or even have a healthy voice still if it wasn’t for that training. It just shows you how much vocal training can help a singer!
But her broadway training was not that personal. It was mostly group sessions not individual. So it probbaly did nothing much to her. Since she has a big voice and need a individual one on one training. She never credited her broadway coach for her singing. She always praise Eric Vetro
she's really educated and it shows how healthy her voice is. If she doesn't support these notes specially she sings this ALMOST EVERY NIGHT her voice would be damaged. Her broadway background really helps her to be one of the best vocalist of all time. PERIODT
it makes a huge amount of sense now. her support cannot stop at B4 and then have an entire octave of belts from C5-B5s to be all unsupported when she uses them the most + has been doing them every night. if she actually was straining, she wouldn’t have done it since she is very knowledgeable about her voice. she also isn’t experiencing any decline from her HMT. which doesn’t make sense to say her support stops at B4s. anyways, thank you for this video and i hope this goes viral and you get the success you deserve for the amount of hardwork you put into your videos. thank you so much for this and i’m excited for the next video, take care 🖤🖤🖤
Drew M. Or ANY tour I never really believed her consistent support stopped at B4 because she’s been belting the upper fifth octave for most of her life surely that would’ve left tons of damage if her technique was as bad as these phoney vocal stans were implying? Even if it was true that just proves that support doesn’t affect technique at all so it was always flawed.
Hopefully before people decide to leave hate comments they actually educate themselves instead of watching some vocal coach videos on youtube,and thinking their experts on vocal technique all of a sudden.
Jevon Chan its actually a lot easier to resonate and support in a dark tone because u are basing ur voice in the chest register more so u are getting the chest percentage more than u are getting the Head Register more
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 i would have to disagree. head voice is much easier to support than chest voice (when it comes to high notes). however, the ease of supporting isn't much related to type of voice, but rather technique.
@ohhh hhh Lol nah Honey Chest voice is literally block 1 in singing Everything starts there If there's a register that you will support first That'll be the chest voice The easiest register to access will be the easiest register to support and that's chest voice
It could actually end comparising ariana to the big trinity, beyonce, and all the throwing shade at ariana about her technique, which is amazing and people are simply uninformed, we have to share this video everywhere to let people know how talented and trained ari is! Pls make the vocal coaches on yt react to it!!!
Nehir Gedik She does strain but its not an everyday occurrence like she only strains when she is seriously ill, fatigued as hell from a tour, or improperly warmed up but on a regular basis??? No she doesn’t ❤️❤️❤️❤️.
It kinda makes sense, bc if these notes actually were strained, she really wouldn’t do these notes as often as she does. Also, her singing career wouldn’t last long if she is constantly straining on these high notes.
people just say she's unsupported because her voice is unique and doesn't sound like some "supported" singers do. I mean it's her voice naturally she didn't even try to make them higher or doesn't try to make them supported, she really is a high belter and her support is just natural. People only give credits to those who were "old singers" because media told everybody that the "old singers" was way better than the singers nowadays.
i have to say that i was really sceptic but i found out that most notes are infact supported except for some notes that were really throaty. I really think that all the clips from the sweetener tour were supported and even someone from the sweetener listening session. But i genuinely believe that the clips from the Homeymoon tour were really throaty and can’t be count ( same for the DW ). I am really not sure about the G#5 to Bb5 area but from A4 to G5 is clearly supported
Do you remember this time last year we were freaking out about her "supported D5 in fake smile" when it's actually been her ENTIRE vocal range all along!! It's amazing that you've managed to find this out with the help of a few amazingly educated people and like someone else said, this is a new era where she will be recognised for her truly amazing vocals. Also we need to get the vocal coaches to watch these videos!!!! P.S. great video! You've been working so hard and it's really paying off! ❤
idk why people care so much about support when they don’t even know what it means. and with or without support her notes sounds good and that’s why she is one of the biggest artists/celebrities ever. i mean...her shows are always sold out, so support doesn’t matter since so many people love her voice. (this is not shade for you or anything, i agree with this video).
@@aritourvocals49 yea absolutely. But I'm just saying maybe it's a popular subject cuz people wanna see their favourite singer on top of their game vocally.
This video makes a ton of sense bc if she was really straining all those notes (supporting up to Bb4 during THMT and B4 during the DWT) her voice would not be in the condition it is today. After years and years of straining and oversinging (especially during the HMT) we could see something like Mariah's voice during 2000 or 2008, that is, very weak, inconsistent vocals, and a great loss of ease and range. But she still slays and is getting better with her voice. This girl clearly knows her voice, she was broadway-trained, those people really know their instrument. I always felt like there was something off with the "she only supported up to B4 during the DWT, as the C5's in touch it and SOTR, to give some examples, were supported, as well as the Eb5s in TBY. We can only imagine what her voice will bring in the future
Ariana is a highly trained vocalist. Ariana has had vocal training since she was a small kid and attends lessons very often. It'd be stupid to even suggest she's straining or doesn't know what she's doing. Your voice would die even after one tour of singing like that if her technique was really 'that bad'. Most people who bash her voice a) don't know anything about vocal pedagogy b) are biased towards other singers c) quite frankly base every ounce of their 'vocal knowledge' from RUclips videos - I always said, if you wanna learn how to sing, look elsewhere.
Kaji I honestly think she wouldn’t even finish the entire HMT if she strains every belt above Bb4. Like with all the upper belts she did and even up to Bb5 🥴
Mariah Carey is an excellent vocalist but she is not a technical singer hence why she was always so inconsistent. No, it’s not nodules messing with her. There are dozens of professional singers who have vocal damage and do just fine. Mariah’s entire belting range was built by squeezing to the top which you can hear in her 1990 undubbed Tatou club performances (Vanishing for example). Sure, she had lucky moments up to a G and G# in studio. But they were just that. Lucky moments. She can’t even reach the G5 consistently (most of the G attempts were sharp F#5s) and yet it’s supposed to be ‘consistent’? We also have to take into account just how much of that’s dubbed vocals.
Kaji Agreed! Mariah is a great vocalists, but when you also take into consideration of vowel modulation, dynamics, and just one's overall sound... Mariah definitely isn't on Ariana's level. Ariana belts F5 in piano* Mariah full on yells an F5* With proper technique Mariah could've done the same thing. The woman can belt a Bb5 in the studio so...
For anyone who is going to hate, I gotta tell you something. Ariana has been singing like this, BIG notes ecc., for almost a decade (let's not forget born this way's B5), and if she didn't support these notes, if her voice was full of tension and strain, then problem would have been her last single. But now we are in 2020 and in her vocal peak so far. Why? Because she (throughout years and years of training) has been using the mixed voice (with this technique you don't shout the note) and she has always supported these notes with her diaphram, as if you don't support a note with the diaphram, even a simple note will come out awful and strained. + we're NOT talking about resonance Edit: OK guys, I got it, "strain and tension has nothing to do with support" please don't hit me lol
supporting from the diaphragm is not the only thing. You can support from the diaphragm correctly but still have tensions in the tongue, jaw, close the throat etc ... moreover, this resonance you speak of is nothing compared to really good singers
Francesca Dehni Because there are so many misconceptions about her voice and so people instead bash her or spread lies instead of understanding her voice or at least get to a level of understanding
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 yep I agree I think many people say her technique is terrible and it isn't shes grounded up to F5/F#5 consistently if she getter better she'll be able to be grounded up to G5 consistently
samuel casares I think G5 is consistently grounded because I’m listening to 2016-2019 footage while I wrap up my upcoming HMT video and G5 is sounding hella consistent especially in DW, Touch It, Bang Bang and No Tears Left To Cry
I knew she supported the G#5 on everytime in during the sweetener sessions. They sounded really good and open. But ppl said she only supported up to E5
I always knew that Ari was so good. And I always thought that she could only support up to eb5 but now I fully believe she supports up to a5/bb5. I knew that she must have supported higher bc everything is just so good and open and full of resonance. People who know nothing about singing really make people believe she’s not good. Like tf. Some people need to learn and stop hating. Ari is literally one of the best singers that this generation has seen. Thank you for finally showing it!!!
ohhh hhh reverb doesn’t make you sound like that 😂 if you’ve ever gotten into music production and auto tune and reverb. You’ll know tbat it’s not reverb. And her throat is actually not that tight and your larynx raises when you talk so it’s not an issue
OHHH MYYY GODDDDDDD!!!! @grandeflamesbutera i literally love u for tht forever!!!!! Ahhh im freakin out rn ahhhhh. Idk what it was but there was always smth in me which was like “this sounds soo supported”. Thanklk uuuuuuuu
I would love to see Demi Lovatos true supported range next. I have a feeling that she has supported up to A5 before during one of her sorry not sorry performances. Some of her upper belts are full of so much ease and clarity.
Tyler K I'm not necessarily a fan, but from what I've heard live her free/supported range is (E3-A5-?). The thing with Demi is she's not all that consistent compared to Ariana.
In fact this is true the real truth , the real ariana grande supported fifth octave range, thanks for this finally something accurate, the definition of "support" in the vocal freedom in RUclips is really messed up, that definition in pop modern vocal pedagogy right now that everybody has been fooled with it and believe it's right and it's more funny when these people start to attack you and call you "delusional" just because they can't sustain proper arguments with real acknowledgement about vocal pedagogy, everybody knows well everybody vocal coach, that the real definition of "support" it's just engaging the diaphragm, "support" is a breath management technique to execute the notes using your back and abdominal muscles to keep the correct full sound to support the note, in the vocal freedom comunnity here everybody here thinks it's otherwise about tension/strain/high larynx which that has nothing to do with real "support" it's impossible to hit a note with neutral larynx, and tension it's probably the dumbest thing of this "definition" you can't hit a note with no even a bit of tension even in resonant notes you can hear that for more free that it sounds still has that thing bringing it back/tension, when you hear a strained/pitchy/tensioned/almost shout notes they are just screaming with tonality/they are hitting flat notes which causes them the sound what makes you think it's unsupported and tensioned cause tension always have to exist even a little bit but a little bit in a note There are bunch good singers who have a really bad reputation in this vocal community for what I've seen, singers like Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato, who real vocal coaches see and always say "they have nice support in this belt or that one" in fact I've heard bunch of resonant belts by ariana C5-G#5 by Ariana where you guys said "she was raising her larynx" "strained/tensioned"and always try to deny her resonance saying it's reverb/her bright tone but in fact it wouldn't have sounded so good if she wouldn't have projected nicely that's why her voice is still better than before and she has never declined, for demi most of the times she's flat but her belts in the C5-G5(I've seen some G5s) are nicely supported too, for me this is messed up , there's tons of misconceptions about this specifically vocal theme, you can disagree with me I don't care but I'm truth of how I've been educated and to my teachers, i would love to start making videos if i was good at editing, come vocal modern terms users it's time to make a difference and not be so toxic/sensitive about this theme and stop believing you are always right cause it's not like that!
I'm really glad this is coming to light. Maybe this will bring the fun back to the Vocal community, instead of the seriousness of what note is "supported" and other Bs. Sometimes I really wish some of these people would sit back and think "can I really teach Ariana how to sing" or "do I know more about vocal pedagogy than these professional singers?" Because it just looks crazy when RUclipsrs are in the comment section really trying to explain how these pop singers should sing lol. Anyways, the video is amazing! As I knew it would be. Some examples here are of her not supporting and being kind of throaty. But still, you were able to showcase what she REALLY does with her voice. And Im hoping this will shut down the trolls that came up with the idea that she doesn't support higher than B4 lol.
AnonymousXtinaSinger All of these examples (Not sure of the Bb5) were supported and definitely not throaty because Ariana doesn’t use a throaty placement but thank u for your thoughts and opinions ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
GrandeFlamesButera she usually doesn't. But if you compare the G5 at 4:30 to the G5 at 4:44 you'd hear the difference. The first being forced, a little closed, and a little pitchy, compared to the second one that's clear, tension free, and open. But again, it's very few and it just happens when Im sure she's tired.
finally someone , who understands what support is , i'm so happy u did this ,support is not an on/off botton u can activate when u want , most ariana's notes are supported because she has a great technique ,and she has so much ease and longivity on her vocals she didn't show any signals of strain,so why it wouldn't be supported,
Thank u so much for making this video. It shows the fact that, yes, she can support well a lot of notes, even when people say she can't, in high notes. I always knew her potential. Thank u so much
Ever since the European leg of the swt I began to question her support range but thought nothing of it cuz I was always told that she only supports up to E5 occasionally and consistently up to B4 but hearing her Break free F5s and the Everytime G#5s and into you F#5s on the tour confused my brain cuz they sounded open and full with no tension 90% of the time especially the break free F5s and into you F#5 so I never understood why everyone said they were unsupported I’m so thankful that u have cleared it all up and now all the weirdo vocal experts that seem to envy Arianas vocal abilities can now fuck off 😭😂, also I’m glad u showcased a lot of dwt’s vocals cuz that is probably one of my favourite tours vocally
She does support up to E5 and consistently up to C5, she did a lot of them on tour. It's not true that she supports in the upper fifth octave. Only SoHyang can do that. So the people who said she supports only up to E5 are right. The strain is more obvious than some may think. The unsupported notes are quite healthy, but there is a lot of strain.
Just because you can hit a note, it doesn't mean it's supported... most of these are great but it's only natural that she can't actually support the ENTIRE 5th octave. Her G5's sound amazing, but anything higher than that isn't that supported. Her Bb5s scare me that she's just gonna blow her voice, I have this issue with some of my students but the best piece of advice I ever learned while studying is "Just because you can hit a note, doesn't mean you should"
It's Not Really Oscar never said that and all my research was based of the CVT (Complete Vocal Technique) a website made by tons of vocal coaches and voice teachers who put their studies in the website ❤️❤️❤️. But thank u for your thoughts and opinions ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Omg i used to believe to those youtubers and online vocal coaches they only said that she support only B4 constantly i cant believe how big is her supported range I'm shocked
Belt wise I always believed that she actually supports high Hhahaha However I always believed that most early Ariana Belts are actually not supported Early HMT shows and before that Everything are pretty much filled with tongue tension and strained But the notes onwards Specially 2018 to 2019 I always believed that these notes are pretty much supported Afterall Supported notes are distinct in sound with different singers
80% of the video is wrong, and I know it because I’m a huge Arianator lmao. The first C5 is already not supported. Instead of this, you should have picked a lot of actually supported/resonants B4-Eb5 and the partially supported E5-F5 she ACTUALLY successfully did, instead of doing misinformation when we can clearly hear jaw tension, jaw tension and sometimes high larynx during earlier tours...
Jaw Tension and High Larynx doesn't stop the support at all. U actually cannot sing above G5 without the use of High Larynx because its medically impossible. Jaw Tension is a habit and its clearly not affecting her the way U think it is when she has been doing it since she was 6 years old. Ariana knows what she is doing and how to use her voice because she has been vocally trained for 20 years. She knows what is healthy and what isn't because she wouldn't go for half of these big notes and high belts if they would damage her voice. Thank u for ur thoughts and opinions. No one is using misinformation but clearly U are if U honestly think that High Larynx stops support when its forced High Larynx that does that, not Natural High Larynx or Natural Raised Larynx. There is a reason its called natural, Its because it happens naturally and it doesn't damage nor affect her voice negatively. Hope this helped u understand Ariana's and Vocal Pedagogy a little better
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 You get it all mixed up. You don’t seem like you know much about vocal technique. Raised larynx does affect the support as by definition, support is the absence of flow allowing a free path for the air to do a « perfect » note. Although some flaws can happen with support still being there, It’s really not much. And as jaw/tongue tension constricts muscles, it actually tightens the throat therefore preventing full throat openness and having a focused and forward sound. Support can happen with very little tension or raised larynx, however Ariana tends to raise her larynx enough to prevent support around the F#5 area, whereas the notes between D5-F5 tend not to be supported due to tension or sometimes throatiness, which means the sound actually gets trapped in the back of her throat. You can actually notice her jaw tension during her riffs and runes or during some notes, when her jaw is placed forward. I beg you to listen to the first C5 and compare its ring, resonance and openness to one during the sweetener world tour to really hear the difference in technique and, again, openness. I didn’t really want to go deep in technique but again, this misinformation is kind of getting on my nerves.
@@jolan_bcx What kind of definition did U get that from??? Thats heavily Falsified. Support is a Breath Management Technique. It has nothing to do with the Muscles or the Throat. Do u use the throat and muscle to sing and to speak??? Yes obviously but to support a note, It has nothing to do with that or tension. a little bit of Tension is actually beneficial for the voice especially when ur fatigued or sick. Tons of Trained Broadway and Opera Vocalists use a little bit of tension to help support and reach their high belts up to G#5 and their highest head voice note all the way up to F6 (From what I have seen). Once again Raised Larynx doesn't do anything bad unless U force the larynx. Ariana doesn't do that. Does she get muffled?? Yes and thats the sign of her belting past the D5/Eb5 break (which has been medically proven as well that most vocalists will raise their larynx past D5/Eb5 due to the break). Ariana is never throaty at all, Are u ok????. She was taught by thousands of voice teachers so she knows not to be throaty. Y'all misuse terms so much. Once again, Jaw Tension isn't affecting her like U think it is. She has been doing this for 20 something years, If it was damaging she would've had a vocal decline and her voice would've deterioated by now. Ur misusing Resonance because Ariana actually never rings aka resonates because she isn't vocally trained for that. Ring takes years for someone to learn and Ariana hasn't used it at all. It was all reverb. Not ring. Also resonance or Ring isn't in Pop Culture so she doesn't do it since its not a requirement. Literally almost every pop singer doesn't even remotely ring because its not necessary nor is it a requirement. Its also medically impossible to strain as low as C5 and pull off G5-E6 belts or mix because Strain blocks range and permanently damages the voice. On the topic of Openness, She actually was pretty open on all the C5's and because C5 is so consistent it was automatically "Supported". Ur thinking of openess as a open mouth right??? Well thats kinda false because for example doing an Oh vowel, I vowel and a Ah vowel will automatically be open enough to be healthy. I suggest reading The Complete Vocal Technique website because its clear U have been fed some lies about Vocal Pedagogy by either RUclips itself or a RUclipsr. I picked some of the best examples that will prove the title right and have the evidence to back up the video because I have studied Ariana's voice for nearly 2 years now and is currently studying Vocal Pedagogy and Music Theory. Have a great day/night
you don’t accept that you’re wrong, it’s really sad for you. support comes from air management, which DIRECTLY correlates from all the parts of your respiratory system, so lungs/throat/diaphragm but also muscles that interact with the respiratory system, therefore jaw muscles and abs. you apparently do not have the anatomic knowledge necessary to do one of these videos, and you should have known cause you’re the ONLY person in this whole youtube vocal thing claiming she ever (fully or not) supported any note higher than an E5/F5 while belting. by the way Ariana actually showed signs of resonance in earlier years of her career and sometime experience it on some today, for example some Bb4/B4 which are apparently her most comfortable supported notes as they are consistant. Im not remotely talking about vowels, but the throat openness, which I think you would have directly understood if you had the vocal knowledge you claim to have. I’m not being a bitch with you but you sometimes have to admit that your informations are wrong or that you misunderstood them when I’m not the only person telling you that most of these notes are not supported (well some of them are not really strained either, I’ll give it to you)
@@jolan_bcx Actually I am not the only one. REAL!!!!! Informative fans have claimed this not just me. I'm not the one who is clearly misusing terms and twisting its definition. I told u what is fact. All of what I have told u has been medically proven for nearly a century. Its clear who is uneducated and who is. Go do some actual research before spouting the same stuff back at me that people have been saying for years to bring Ariana down.
Just my opinion on each note: C5-D5: They all sound supported but I'm not sure the ones from SOTR are because they pretty clearly sound different even from other supported notes in the same clips. They have that almost too light quality and the vibrato sounds a little pushed but idk. Eb5: I think all of them sound supported! E5: The E5s from Bad Decisions were definitely strained just compared to the B4s in the same clip. I'm pretty sure the E5s from Right There on Jimmy Kimmel had tension just bc her technique wasn't that good in 2013 and the notes don't sound too stable, but everything else sounds well supported. F5: The SWT clips sound supported and healthy to me. The Break Free F5s from DWT and HMT have that ringing quality, but I think it comes from the use of a very heady mix instead of support and I think they have high larynx too, but of course I can't know for sure. F#5: The first 7 rings F#5 sounds a little pushed to me, but the second one sounds supported to me. Some people think that just because there's no rasp there's no strain, but Ariana is good at using a lighter mix to cover up any raspiness. The Into You F#5s to me sound like she had a high larynx on them, but the OLT note sounds supported to me. For GIAW, the first clip sounds great to me. The second clip sounds really good but the sustained F#5 with vibrato kinda sounds like her throat closed off a little on it, so I don't think it's supported. G5: The Touch It G5s sound amazing, I always thought she had supported some of them but I didn't really know bc I thought she couldn't support above E5 yet then. A lot of the other clips have really short G5s and are hard to tell. In the first NTLTC clip, the first G5 sounds great, on the second one I think there was some tension, which then caused her to lose some control on the following run. The third G5 is way too short to tell. The DW G5s are really short and I honestly can't really tell, but the one with vibrato sounds a little strained to me. The remaining NTLTC clips sound good to me, but they're pretty short. The G5 on "men-TAL-ity" sounds really powerful but also a little pushed, so idk. G#5: The clips from DWT don't sound supported to me. The first clip of Everytime sounds really good to me, so I'd like to think it's supported. The second clip sounds good but she loses control on the C#5, so it probably wasn't supported. The third clip sounds really good and I couldn't hear any issues. For Why Try, I don't really know how the Mimu Gloves work, so I don't know if they were supported or altered. A5: I highly doubt the Honeymoon Avenue clips were supported. Especially on the second clip, you can hear her gain support and more power and control as she goes lower on her run. On Dangerous Woman, her E5s and G5s sound good but the A5s sound that just little bit pushed and I think they were close to supported but not quite there. Santa Tell Me sounds really great and I think it was all supported, but I can't know for sure. None of her Into You A5s ever actually sounded good, so I don't think any of them were supported. Bb5: For the first BMB clip, it sounded like she had to push a little to reach that G#5 and the Bb5s were definitely not supported as you can hear the strain and tension in them. In the second clip, the G#5 sounds great but after I listened a few times it sound a little unstable towards the end of the note. The Bb5s sounded much better here than in the first clip but they were too short to tell for me. The first Breathin clip sounds amazing, I really think it's supported. On the third BMB clip, the G#5 sounds good but I think there was a little bit of tension. The first Bb5 sounds pushed and the second one sounds a little better but not like the ones from the second clip, so I don't think these were supported. For the fourth BMB clip, the G#5 sounds like it did on the third clip. The Bb5s sound good but you can hear that they're a little strained and that she has more support, power, and control at the bottom of the run on the Bb4s. On the last BMB clip, the G#5 in my opinion sounds much better than the other ones and like it was supported. The Bb5s sound good but to me sounded like she had a high larynx on them blocking the support and that sound carried through the rest of the run. The last clip of Breathin sounded great the whole way through except for the Bb5, which wasn't entirely on pitch and was unstable. She definitely has better examples of the Bb5 though in other concerts. Overall I think her technique especially on SWT was really underrated and she's definitely better than most people think. The whole concept of support and resonance is really confusing though and obviously I'm no expert on vocal technique, so feel free to take what I've said with a grain of salt. PLEASE correct me and offer your respectful opinion on anything I said, I'd like to learn more from other perspectives too. I really love the concept of this video and would love to see a similar one on Demi Lovato. If you actually read this whole comment, thank youuu.
DAMN!!! 😂😂😂😂 Thats a long comment 😂😂😂😂 Also thank u for your thoughts and opinions and I will be making a similar video for Demi Lovato soon!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
She has really developed throughout the years and I believe she will continue developing. You're right about the heady mix, it helps her with reaching the higher notes with ease.
does support just mean engaging the diaphragm? cuz some of these notes still have noticeable tension but they also have support cuz that’s a spectrum and not a full/none situation
Nothing in this video above D5 was supported all these notes sounded really good but having ease on high notes does not equal a note being supported just because her strain is not noticeable like Xtina doesn't mean it's not strained. Effects on the mic gives it the sound of resonance
They aren't strained at all because if she really was straining, she wouldn't have attempted so many high notes but thank u for ur thoughts and ur opinions
*YAAS I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT... HER NOTES SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO NOT BE SUPPORTED ALSO WHEN I WAS TUNING HER NOTES.. FOR EXAMPLE "G#5 OR Bb5" THE TUNER SHOWS IT "G#6 AND Bb6" ALSO WITH THE WHOLE 5th OCTAVE.. AND SOME TIMES SHE OVER TUNE SOME NOTES LIKE "D5" BE "A6"... SO YEAAAH.. I WAS RIGHT*
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 you're welcome. Always happy to help those who can't get attention by posting real educational content feel better about their ignorance 😊
@@KajiVocals sorry that I know shit and you don't. I'm not repeating what someone says I have a trained ear and I know that a supported note sounds like and what a strained note sounds like. I LOVE Ari's voice but with a litte practise she can become an outstanding vocalist.
Simeon Gjurcev You’re such a know-it-all that you don’t know that support has nothing to do with strain or lack of it. Fun. Go back to basics and read a book. I suggest the Estill Voice Model. You’re misusing the most basic terms like support.
@@KajiVocals Why this desperation to want to prove that Ariana supports the 5th octave? Cmon if you search on youtube for "what is supported singing" you will see that ariana supports only a few notes from the 5th octave. She remains one of the best vocalists of that generation.
Ariana could have a much bigger supported range then G#3-B4/C5 if she relaxed her larynx more, stopped singing through her nose, and enunciated more on higher notes
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 she most certainly has not supported an Eb5 on HMT that's when her technique was at its worst and she has come close to supporting Eb5 on SWT but she hasn't supported Eb5 since 2012/2013
Great video! Unfortunately, she hasn’t supported anything above E5, except for some promising F5s, but that’s it. Almost every supported belts above C5 where during the Sweetener Tour. Just because it sounds easy and powerful doesn’t mean it’s supported, there have to be many factors present in order to be completely open and healthy. Most of what you’ve shown above E5 where good mixed belts, but not enough to be supported, this isn’t only because of tension, some times the placement could be a bit better, the jaw gets too involved, her larynx raises, the tongue it’s tense or the space on the throat is just not enough. But this doesn’t mean they weren’t great tho, Ariana is an amazing vocalist, and her voice as a whole is just insane. Btw, I’m not criticizing her at all, she’s a million times more talented than I will ever be, but I wanted to comment my objective point of view 😊
I’m just gonna copy my previous comment cuz I’m lazy. 1) Her breath support is poor but it doesn't really mean much as breath support is not dependent on tension or lack of it. It's something entirely different. Also, you can't control your diaphragm. That's a common misconception (I know you didn't mention it but I still thought it would be relevant). 2) 'Neutral larynx' is a) relative - 'neutral larynx' position can be changed in practice as the resting larynx position is mainly habitual b) not really possible up that high in belting c) belting is genuinely characterised by higher larynx position (read the Estill Voice Model, page 133 and Honda, K. [2012] Magnetic Resonance Imaging of Vocal Mechanisms) 3) Placement is just a mental image. It doesn't really mean much as they can differ from person to person. 4) Her jaw isn't tight nor tense, it's actually fairly relaxed. And the 'tightness' you might see in her articulation of vocal melismas doesn't really affect the overall freedom of the sound. A lot of people also mention tongue tension. This isn't really present in ther voice much. She doesn't retract her tongue much. She keeps a high tongue position instead which is what is giving her bright treble-y tone and higher tessitura. Smart approach. I'm really not hearing much room for unnecessary constriction in her sound. The only thing I can think of is her sometimes overnarrowing her pharynx in her midrange to get a higher closed glottal quotient. But that's something a lot of singers do. For example Sohyang in her head voice (she does it to get rid of excess air).
It physically pains me to see so many... not so smart people,to put it nicely,comment about vocal technique and act as if they know everything. The person who this video did a ton of research and has said they talked to many vocal coaches and actual professionals,not some random RUclips “vocal coach” which is where a lot of people seem to get their info. Please stop acting like you know what your talking about cause you really don’t. Instead respect this greatly made video that a person spent hours making and doing the real research for!
I think the reason people doubt her technique is although she can belt quite high. She’s hasn’t had vibrato on on upper belting (for her A5 and up). She’s a high soprano, so there no reason she can’t belt notes like Sohyang. Her technique is GOOD. But not GREAT. She needs to utilise head voice not falsetto and start mixing more as she gets higher then she’ll be unstoppable
I think her f5s and above notes sound tense although she supports them(by engaging her diaphragm). Singing is a mixture of things, it isn't just about support.
Hiiiii, I LOVE THIS VIDEO SO DON'T @ ME. I think that she's "supporting" (you cannot understand how much I hate this term lol) up to G5... Everything above is... Idk sound tense (or at least most of them), in particular BMB Bb5 sounded just... Tense. Still you disrupted a myth ♥️
donofriocarlo46 Not trying to be rude or anything, but I heard your cover of God Is A Woman for Cam's vocal competition (I'm a judge). I wanted to say that if I go by what you're saying sounds tense then I'd say pretty much that your belts are tense. There's nothing wrong with tension because you need tension to execute a note period. If there was no tension then there wouldn't be any sound. Tension is basically closure. Too much of it causes pain, strain, and poor placements while singing, that's where the real problem is. So, if we apply that to Ariana what about her voice sounds poor in placement, painful, or strained? Your F#5's sound "tense", yet they're very much free. You kind of see where I'm coming from?
PLS BE KIND!!!! And pls express ur opinions so we can have a conversation and discussion and not an argument because I’m sick and tired of arguing for no reason so pls be kind and tell me what u think ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Heyy please, make the video about 'does ari using unhealthy technique?' Im waiting:')
Jevon Chan Ooh!!! I’ll think about it ❤️❤️❤️
Omg can you do one for Taylor Swift? I’ve heard that she doesn’t support anything
GrandeFlamesButera
I have another question😅 so does she have natural larynx when singing the whole fifth octave
Nehir Gedik no she doesn’t. It’s impossible to even talk with a neutral larynx let alone singing. It’s raised but it’s not forced. That’s why her having a raised larynx is not a problem for her
This is a great beginning of Ariana's new era. Era where she's actually appreciated as a vocalist. I hope someday all of those delusional stans will just leave behind all that bullshit about "support". Literally there're FREE sources of information. Nope, we'd better watch YT-made up "science" and all of a sudden we can judge who's good and who's bad. It doesn't work like that. Thank you again for doing it, it means a lot to me and, I'm sure, for Ariana as well :)
Lkzpe I agree, the word support is thrown around in here even if most of the people using it don’t even fully understand what it means
I do think ppl do too much and run with the common narratives about these singers techniques and all, but sometimes it’s just the truth. While I appreciate ari as a vocalist because I think the things she can do with her voice is just incredible, supported or not, she does have her issues. She’s inconsistent with her support but that doesn’t make her a bad vocalist
@@onedollarbleach6891 she has weaknesses just like any great vocalist. There's no reason to pretend like whatever her weaknesses are, are special or uncommon, just saying. Also yeah, it's the truth sometimes, other times it's an uninformed opinion and it's important that you just recognize the difference between the two, when it comes up.
Alana Gibbs never said they were special or uncommon I was just pointing it out bc just as it’s wrong to pretend like these technical issues are unique to her, it’s dishonest to pretend like she’s vocally perfect. We have to be honest and recognize her flaws, which isn’t a bad thing bc every artist has their flaws
The fact that people say she can't resonate and produce free (no excess tension) notes! Great video!!
she's by far the best soprano in mainstream music/pop right now
Definitely!
agree 💕
laura one of the best ever!
ken adams ikr!!!
ken adams she did tho!!!! And I know she can support an a5 too! I hear it with my own ears
I think all of her Broadway training is one of the main reasons her technique is so awesome. She probably wouldn’t be able to support that high or even have a healthy voice still if it wasn’t for that training. It just shows you how much vocal training can help a singer!
And she is still training! Everyone can always learn more
@@emanueleamato3053 True.
But her broadway training was not that personal. It was mostly group sessions not individual. So it probbaly did nothing much to her. Since she has a big voice and need a individual one on one training. She never credited her broadway coach for her singing. She always praise Eric Vetro
@@emanueleamato3053 Yes!
she's really educated and it shows how healthy her voice is. If she doesn't support these notes specially she sings this ALMOST EVERY NIGHT her voice would be damaged. Her broadway background really helps her to be one of the best vocalist of all time. PERIODT
can we get a unsupported vs supported vid for each note?
Uppppp we need this
I'll put that on the list of videos to do
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 please do!
GrandeFlamesButera pls
yes plsssss
it makes a huge amount of sense now. her support cannot stop at B4 and then have an entire octave of belts from C5-B5s to be all unsupported when she uses them the most + has been doing them every night. if she actually was straining, she wouldn’t have done it since she is very knowledgeable about her voice. she also isn’t experiencing any decline from her HMT. which doesn’t make sense to say her support stops at B4s.
anyways, thank you for this video and i hope this goes viral and you get the success you deserve for the amount of hardwork you put into your videos. thank you so much for this and i’m excited for the next video, take care 🖤🖤🖤
Moonlight Bae Very Well Said ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
That’s true, if she was really straining every belt above B4 then she wouldn’t even make it halfway through the HMT
Drew M. Or ANY tour I never really believed her consistent support stopped at B4 because she’s been belting the upper fifth octave for most of her life surely that would’ve left tons of damage if her technique was as bad as these phoney vocal stans were implying? Even if it was true that just proves that support doesn’t affect technique at all so it was always flawed.
exactly, thank you
true if she did strain that much she would've lost much of her belting range
Here is a video showcasing how extremely talented Ariana Grande really is and how she sings so healthy all throughout her entire range ❤️❤️❤️❤️
love the vid slay sissyyy
Hopefully before people decide to leave hate comments they actually educate themselves instead of watching some vocal coach videos on youtube,and thinking their experts on vocal technique all of a sudden.
Some dumb people said ari using unhealthy technique. They don't know how hard supporting notes with dark tone lmao
Jevon Chan its actually a lot easier to resonate and support in a dark tone because u are basing ur voice in the chest register more so u are getting the chest percentage more than u are getting the Head Register more
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 i would have to disagree. head voice is much easier to support than chest voice (when it comes to high notes). however, the ease of supporting isn't much related to type of voice, but rather technique.
@ohhh hhh Really??? Than how come Whitney Houston and Donna Summer or Diana Ross do it so perfectly??? U really need to reseach before calling me dumb
@ohhh hhh Lol nah Honey
Chest voice is literally block 1 in singing
Everything starts there
If there's a register that you will support first
That'll be the chest voice
The easiest register to access will be the easiest register to support and that's chest voice
It could actually end comparising ariana to the big trinity, beyonce, and all the throwing shade at ariana about her technique, which is amazing and people are simply uninformed, we have to share this video everywhere to let people know how talented and trained ari is! Pls make the vocal coaches on yt react to it!!!
I watched a vocal coach on RUclips. And she said that Ariana strained on some notes.
@@dais9082 so you know what to do
Nehir Gedik She does strain but its not an everyday occurrence like she only strains when she is seriously ill, fatigued as hell from a tour, or improperly warmed up but on a regular basis??? No she doesn’t ❤️❤️❤️❤️.
ohhh hhh
I don’t really think so.
@ohhh hhh you a bit wrong
It kinda makes sense, bc if these notes actually were strained, she really wouldn’t do these notes as often as she does. Also, her singing career wouldn’t last long if she is constantly straining on these high notes.
And they sound so clean too.
I think she has her breath engaged but it’s her placement. Her placement is often very nasally so the sound is muffled
Random Person tho if they keep straining they won't last for very long. Well not as long as Ari will👍
Exactly what I thought
She may not straining, but not supporting too. No support does'nt mean strain
people just say she's unsupported because her voice is unique and doesn't sound like some "supported" singers do. I mean it's her voice naturally she didn't even try to make them higher or doesn't try to make them supported, she really is a high belter and her support is just natural. People only give credits to those who were "old singers" because media told everybody that the "old singers" was way better than the singers nowadays.
ariana has stylistic choices that's why her supported notes doesn't sound the same as other singers
Nobody can deny that she supports up to E5 at least. Listen to 2:40. It’s undoubtedly supported.
YESSSS!!!!! I LIVE HOW YOU SPITTING OUT FACTTSSS!!!! THE HONEST VOCAL COACH NEEDA TO SEE THIS ASSAPAPAPAPPA
Yeah even the Honest vocal coach talks about Ariana supporting way up high in her range
i have to say that i was really sceptic but i found out that most notes are infact supported except for some notes that were really throaty. I really think that all the clips from the sweetener tour were supported and even someone from the sweetener listening session. But i genuinely believe that the clips from the Homeymoon tour were really throaty and can’t be count ( same for the DW ). I am really not sure about the G#5 to Bb5 area but from A4 to G5 is clearly supported
Do you remember this time last year we were freaking out about her "supported D5 in fake smile" when it's actually been her ENTIRE vocal range all along!!
It's amazing that you've managed to find this out with the help of a few amazingly educated people and like someone else said, this is a new era where she will be recognised for her truly amazing vocals. Also we need to get the vocal coaches to watch these videos!!!!
P.S. great video! You've been working so hard and it's really paying off! ❤
idk why people care so much about support when they don’t even know what it means. and with or without support her notes sounds good and that’s why she is one of the biggest artists/celebrities ever. i mean...her shows are always sold out, so support doesn’t matter since so many people love her voice. (this is not shade for you or anything, i agree with this video).
I know ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ and I agree it shouldn’t matter but yet it does to some people ❤️❤️❤️❤️
It think it's cuz well grounded notes show off that your favourite is a great vocalist. And I guess alot of us are fascinated by healthy clean vocals
Speedy Comet16 some singers still succeed even if they can’t sing
@@aritourvocals49 yea absolutely. But I'm just saying maybe it's a popular subject cuz people wanna see their favourite singer on top of their game vocally.
support is usually a big deal because it can indicate rather you have a good technique not. that being said ariana still sounds phenomenal
I don’t know how people listened to vocals like this before and not think it was support, JUST LISTEN TO THE EASE AND OPENNESS
This video makes a ton of sense bc if she was really straining all those notes (supporting up to Bb4 during THMT and B4 during the DWT) her voice would not be in the condition it is today. After years and years of straining and oversinging (especially during the HMT) we could see something like Mariah's voice during 2000 or 2008, that is, very weak, inconsistent vocals, and a great loss of ease and range. But she still slays and is getting better with her voice. This girl clearly knows her voice, she was broadway-trained, those people really know their instrument. I always felt like there was something off with the "she only supported up to B4 during the DWT, as the C5's in touch it and SOTR, to give some examples, were supported, as well as the Eb5s in TBY. We can only imagine what her voice will bring in the future
Ariana is a highly trained vocalist. Ariana has had vocal training since she was a small kid and attends lessons very often. It'd be stupid to even suggest she's straining or doesn't know what she's doing. Your voice would die even after one tour of singing like that if her technique was really 'that bad'. Most people who bash her voice a) don't know anything about vocal pedagogy b) are biased towards other singers c) quite frankly base every ounce of their 'vocal knowledge' from RUclips videos - I always said, if you wanna learn how to sing, look elsewhere.
Kaji I honestly think she wouldn’t even finish the entire HMT if she strains every belt above Bb4. Like with all the upper belts she did and even up to Bb5 🥴
@@KajiVocals You slay in these comments Kaji! Educate these people!
Now that we know the truth we need a REAL VOCAL BATTLE between The Songbird and the Queen of Ease.
Speedy Comet16 Agreed!! 😂😂
Yes!!! 👍
yes pls
Mariah Carey is an excellent vocalist but she is not a technical singer hence why she was always so inconsistent. No, it’s not nodules messing with her. There are dozens of professional singers who have vocal damage and do just fine. Mariah’s entire belting range was built by squeezing to the top which you can hear in her 1990 undubbed Tatou club performances (Vanishing for example). Sure, she had lucky moments up to a G and G# in studio. But they were just that. Lucky moments. She can’t even reach the G5 consistently (most of the G attempts were sharp F#5s) and yet it’s supposed to be ‘consistent’? We also have to take into account just how much of that’s dubbed vocals.
Kaji Agreed! Mariah is a great vocalists, but when you also take into consideration of vowel modulation, dynamics, and just one's overall sound... Mariah definitely isn't on Ariana's level.
Ariana belts F5 in piano*
Mariah full on yells an F5*
With proper technique Mariah could've done the same thing. The woman can belt a Bb5 in the studio so...
For anyone who is going to hate, I gotta tell you something.
Ariana has been singing like this, BIG notes ecc., for almost a decade (let's not forget born this way's B5), and if she didn't support these notes, if her voice was full of tension and strain, then problem would have been her last single. But now we are in 2020 and in her vocal peak so far. Why? Because she (throughout years and years of training) has been using the mixed voice (with this technique you don't shout the note) and she has always supported these notes with her diaphram, as if you don't support a note with the diaphram, even a simple note will come out awful and strained.
+ we're NOT talking about resonance
Edit: OK guys, I got it, "strain and tension has nothing to do with support" please don't hit me lol
Support doesn’t relate in any way to strain or lack of it. The rest is correct tho.
@@KajiVocals Ikr but there are people that think so
supporting from the diaphragm is not the only thing. You can support from the diaphragm correctly but still have tensions in the tongue, jaw, close the throat etc ... moreover, this resonance you speak of is nothing compared to really good singers
@@lucacafarelli4282 Yeah that's why we have this so called PARTIALLY SUPPORTED and more
@@ccbbb9969 There is no such thing as partially supported. Support is misused in that sense and by many people in this community.
ariana’s voice is the most controversial voice out there
She is that good.
why controversial?
Francesca Dehni Because there are so many misconceptions about her voice and so people instead bash her or spread lies instead of understanding her voice or at least get to a level of understanding
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 yep I agree I think many people say her technique is terrible and it isn't shes grounded up to F5/F#5 consistently if she getter better she'll be able to be grounded up to G5 consistently
samuel casares I think G5 is consistently grounded because I’m listening to 2016-2019 footage while I wrap up my upcoming HMT video and G5 is sounding hella consistent especially in DW, Touch It, Bang Bang and No Tears Left To Cry
I knew she supported the G#5 on everytime in during the sweetener sessions. They sounded really good and open. But ppl said she only supported up to E5
No. People said she supported up to Eb5 lol 😂
Ikr even my sister said that that note was full resonant
donofriocarlo46 some ppl said that and some ppl said E5 Bc of sweetener(the song) during the tour
Moonlight ENTM those are my favorite G#5’s from her
I think many people only think a note is "supported" when it sounds like it is sung in an opratic or broad way type sound for some reason.
I always knew that Ari was so good. And I always thought that she could only support up to eb5 but now I fully believe she supports up to a5/bb5. I knew that she must have supported higher bc everything is just so good and open and full of resonance. People who know nothing about singing really make people believe she’s not good. Like tf. Some people need to learn and stop hating. Ari is literally one of the best singers that this generation has seen. Thank you for finally showing it!!!
High Larynx doesn’t affect support unless its forced and ariana doesn’t force her high larynx ❤️❤️❤️
ohhh hhh no its not in any case
ohhh hhh reverb doesn’t make you sound like that 😂 if you’ve ever gotten into music production and auto tune and reverb. You’ll know tbat it’s not reverb. And her throat is actually not that tight and your larynx raises when you talk so it’s not an issue
OHHH MYYY GODDDDDDD!!!! @grandeflamesbutera i literally love u for tht forever!!!!! Ahhh im freakin out rn ahhhhh. Idk what it was but there was always smth in me which was like “this sounds soo supported”. Thanklk uuuuuuuu
same
yassssss
Now we need to comment in vocal coach youtubers channels to react this
I knew it all along.. I mean she's the VOCAL EASE QUEEN 👑 she's just smiling while going high up there in G5-Bb5 notes.. I love her ♥
I would love to see Demi Lovatos true supported range next. I have a feeling that she has supported up to A5 before during one of her sorry not sorry performances. Some of her upper belts are full of so much ease and clarity.
Yes, please Demi's supported range
Cesar Garcia I’ll make it soon ❤️❤️❤️
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 Thank you 💚💚
Tyler K I'm not necessarily a fan, but from what I've heard live her free/supported range is (E3-A5-?). The thing with Demi is she's not all that consistent compared to Ariana.
@@vivifiedvocals4470 I have to agree, and Demi's upper register (head voice and falsetto) is poorly developed as well.
8:36 omg her tone
In fact this is true the real truth , the real ariana grande supported fifth octave range, thanks for this finally something accurate, the definition of "support" in the vocal freedom in RUclips is really messed up, that definition in pop modern vocal pedagogy right now that everybody has been fooled with it and believe it's right and it's more funny when these people start to attack you and call you "delusional" just because they can't sustain proper arguments with real acknowledgement about vocal pedagogy, everybody knows well everybody vocal coach, that the real definition of "support" it's just engaging the diaphragm, "support" is a breath management technique to execute the notes using your back and abdominal muscles to keep the correct full sound to support the note, in the vocal freedom comunnity here everybody here thinks it's otherwise about tension/strain/high larynx which that has nothing to do with real "support" it's impossible to hit a note with neutral larynx, and tension it's probably the dumbest thing of this "definition" you can't hit a note with no even a bit of tension even in resonant notes you can hear that for more free that it sounds still has that thing bringing it back/tension, when you hear a strained/pitchy/tensioned/almost shout notes they are just screaming with tonality/they are hitting flat notes which causes them the sound what makes you think it's unsupported and tensioned cause tension always have to exist even a little bit but a little bit in a note
There are bunch good singers who have a really bad reputation in this vocal community for what I've seen, singers like Ariana Grande, Demi Lovato, who real vocal coaches see and always say "they have nice support in this belt or that one" in fact I've heard bunch of resonant belts by ariana C5-G#5 by Ariana where you guys said "she was raising her larynx" "strained/tensioned"and always try to deny her resonance saying it's reverb/her bright tone but in fact it wouldn't have sounded so good if she wouldn't have projected nicely that's why her voice is still better than before and she has never declined, for demi most of the times she's flat but her belts in the C5-G5(I've seen some G5s) are nicely supported too, for me this is messed up , there's tons of misconceptions about this specifically vocal theme, you can disagree with me I don't care but I'm truth of how I've been educated and to my teachers, i would love to start making videos if i was good at editing, come vocal modern terms users it's time to make a difference and not be so toxic/sensitive about this theme and stop believing you are always right cause it's not like that!
I'm really glad this is coming to light. Maybe this will bring the fun back to the Vocal community, instead of the seriousness of what note is "supported" and other Bs. Sometimes I really wish some of these people would sit back and think "can I really teach Ariana how to sing" or "do I know more about vocal pedagogy than these professional singers?" Because it just looks crazy when RUclipsrs are in the comment section really trying to explain how these pop singers should sing lol. Anyways, the video is amazing! As I knew it would be. Some examples here are of her not supporting and being kind of throaty. But still, you were able to showcase what she REALLY does with her voice. And Im hoping this will shut down the trolls that came up with the idea that she doesn't support higher than B4 lol.
AnonymousXtinaSinger All of these examples (Not sure of the Bb5) were supported and definitely not throaty because Ariana doesn’t use a throaty placement but thank u for your thoughts and opinions ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
GrandeFlamesButera she usually doesn't. But if you compare the G5 at 4:30 to the G5 at 4:44 you'd hear the difference. The first being forced, a little closed, and a little pitchy, compared to the second one that's clear, tension free, and open. But again, it's very few and it just happens when Im sure she's tired.
finally someone , who understands what support is , i'm so happy u did this ,support is not an on/off botton u can activate when u want , most ariana's notes are supported because she has a great technique ,and she has so much ease and longivity on her vocals she didn't show any signals of strain,so why it wouldn't be supported,
Ariana is even better now than she ever has been before!
Thank u so much for making this video. It shows the fact that, yes, she can support well a lot of notes, even when people say she can't, in high notes. I always knew her potential. Thank u so much
HSJDHE my phone fell out i was waiting for the premiere 😭
Ever since the European leg of the swt I began to question her support range but thought nothing of it cuz I was always told that she only supports up to E5 occasionally and consistently up to B4 but hearing her Break free F5s and the Everytime G#5s and into you F#5s on the tour confused my brain cuz they sounded open and full with no tension 90% of the time especially the break free F5s and into you F#5 so I never understood why everyone said they were unsupported I’m so thankful that u have cleared it all up and now all the weirdo vocal experts that seem to envy Arianas vocal abilities can now fuck off 😭😂, also I’m glad u showcased a lot of dwt’s vocals cuz that is probably one of my favourite tours vocally
FACTS OMG
She does support up to E5 and consistently up to C5, she did a lot of them on tour. It's not true that she supports in the upper fifth octave. Only SoHyang can do that. So the people who said she supports only up to E5 are right. The strain is more obvious than some may think. The unsupported notes are quite healthy, but there is a lot of strain.
She is such an incredible vocalist. I'm glad people are waking up to the K-Pop Vocal Analysis bullshit and its intellectual dishonesty.
Just because you can hit a note, it doesn't mean it's supported... most of these are great but it's only natural that she can't actually support the ENTIRE 5th octave. Her G5's sound amazing, but anything higher than that isn't that supported. Her Bb5s scare me that she's just gonna blow her voice, I have this issue with some of my students but the best piece of advice I ever learned while studying is "Just because you can hit a note, doesn't mean you should"
It's Not Really Oscar never said that and all my research was based of the CVT (Complete Vocal Technique) a website made by tons of vocal coaches and voice teachers who put their studies in the website ❤️❤️❤️. But thank u for your thoughts and opinions ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I'm so excited!!!❤️❤️❤️
Omg Ariana is truly a legend and thats on period! 👑
Omg i used to believe to those youtubers and online vocal coaches they only said that she support only B4 constantly i cant believe how big is her supported range I'm shocked
her C5 and D5 notes are so CLEAN and perfect. definitely her best belt notes
Her voice fits the 5th octave so good 😍
What I NEED now is:
Songbird vs 👑✨ of Ease
Belt wise
I always believed that she actually supports high Hhahaha
However I always believed that most early Ariana Belts are actually not supported
Early HMT shows and before that
Everything are pretty much filled with tongue tension and strained
But the notes onwards
Specially 2018 to 2019
I always believed that these notes are pretty much supported
Afterall
Supported notes are distinct in sound with different singers
Always thought she had an open sound with a freely flowing vibrato. Great voice and video
80% of the video is wrong, and I know it because I’m a huge Arianator lmao. The first C5 is already not supported. Instead of this, you should have picked a lot of actually supported/resonants B4-Eb5 and the partially supported E5-F5 she ACTUALLY successfully did, instead of doing misinformation when we can clearly hear jaw tension, jaw tension and sometimes high larynx during earlier tours...
Jaw Tension and High Larynx doesn't stop the support at all. U actually cannot sing above G5 without the use of High Larynx because its medically impossible. Jaw Tension is a habit and its clearly not affecting her the way U think it is when she has been doing it since she was 6 years old. Ariana knows what she is doing and how to use her voice because she has been vocally trained for 20 years. She knows what is healthy and what isn't because she wouldn't go for half of these big notes and high belts if they would damage her voice. Thank u for ur thoughts and opinions. No one is using misinformation but clearly U are if U honestly think that High Larynx stops support when its forced High Larynx that does that, not Natural High Larynx or Natural Raised Larynx. There is a reason its called natural, Its because it happens naturally and it doesn't damage nor affect her voice negatively. Hope this helped u understand Ariana's and Vocal Pedagogy a little better
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 You get it all mixed up. You don’t seem like you know much about vocal technique. Raised larynx does affect the support as by definition, support is the absence of flow allowing a free path for the air to do a « perfect » note. Although some flaws can happen with support still being there, It’s really not much. And as jaw/tongue tension constricts muscles, it actually tightens the throat therefore preventing full throat openness and having a focused and forward sound. Support can happen with very little tension or raised larynx, however Ariana tends to raise her larynx enough to prevent support around the F#5 area, whereas the notes between D5-F5 tend not to be supported due to tension or sometimes throatiness, which means the sound actually gets trapped in the back of her throat. You can actually notice her jaw tension during her riffs and runes or during some notes, when her jaw is placed forward. I beg you to listen to the first C5 and compare its ring, resonance and openness to one during the sweetener world tour to really hear the difference in technique and, again, openness. I didn’t really want to go deep in technique but again, this misinformation is kind of getting on my nerves.
@@jolan_bcx What kind of definition did U get that from??? Thats heavily Falsified. Support is a Breath Management Technique. It has nothing to do with the Muscles or the Throat. Do u use the throat and muscle to sing and to speak??? Yes obviously but to support a note, It has nothing to do with that or tension. a little bit of Tension is actually beneficial for the voice especially when ur fatigued or sick. Tons of Trained Broadway and Opera Vocalists use a little bit of tension to help support and reach their high belts up to G#5 and their highest head voice note all the way up to F6 (From what I have seen). Once again Raised Larynx doesn't do anything bad unless U force the larynx. Ariana doesn't do that. Does she get muffled?? Yes and thats the sign of her belting past the D5/Eb5 break (which has been medically proven as well that most vocalists will raise their larynx past D5/Eb5 due to the break). Ariana is never throaty at all, Are u ok????. She was taught by thousands of voice teachers so she knows not to be throaty. Y'all misuse terms so much. Once again, Jaw Tension isn't affecting her like U think it is. She has been doing this for 20 something years, If it was damaging she would've had a vocal decline and her voice would've deterioated by now. Ur misusing Resonance because Ariana actually never rings aka resonates because she isn't vocally trained for that. Ring takes years for someone to learn and Ariana hasn't used it at all. It was all reverb. Not ring. Also resonance or Ring isn't in Pop Culture so she doesn't do it since its not a requirement. Literally almost every pop singer doesn't even remotely ring because its not necessary nor is it a requirement. Its also medically impossible to strain as low as C5 and pull off G5-E6 belts or mix because Strain blocks range and permanently damages the voice. On the topic of Openness, She actually was pretty open on all the C5's and because C5 is so consistent it was automatically "Supported". Ur thinking of openess as a open mouth right??? Well thats kinda false because for example doing an Oh vowel, I vowel and a Ah vowel will automatically be open enough to be healthy. I suggest reading The Complete Vocal Technique website because its clear U have been fed some lies about Vocal Pedagogy by either RUclips itself or a RUclipsr. I picked some of the best examples that will prove the title right and have the evidence to back up the video because I have studied Ariana's voice for nearly 2 years now and is currently studying Vocal Pedagogy and Music Theory. Have a great day/night
you don’t accept that you’re wrong, it’s really sad for you. support comes from air management, which DIRECTLY correlates from all the parts of your respiratory system, so lungs/throat/diaphragm but also muscles that interact with the respiratory system, therefore jaw muscles and abs. you apparently do not have the anatomic knowledge necessary to do one of these videos, and you should have known cause you’re the ONLY person in this whole youtube vocal thing claiming she ever (fully or not) supported any note higher than an E5/F5 while belting. by the way Ariana actually showed signs of resonance in earlier years of her career and sometime experience it on some today, for example some Bb4/B4 which are apparently her most comfortable supported notes as they are consistant. Im not remotely talking about vowels, but the throat openness, which I think you would have directly understood if you had the vocal knowledge you claim to have. I’m not being a bitch with you but you sometimes have to admit that your informations are wrong or that you misunderstood them when I’m not the only person telling you that most of these notes are not supported (well some of them are not really strained either, I’ll give it to you)
@@jolan_bcx Actually I am not the only one. REAL!!!!! Informative fans have claimed this not just me. I'm not the one who is clearly misusing terms and twisting its definition. I told u what is fact. All of what I have told u has been medically proven for nearly a century. Its clear who is uneducated and who is. Go do some actual research before spouting the same stuff back at me that people have been saying for years to bring Ariana down.
0:44 I love that note 😍 Resonance!
Just my opinion on each note:
C5-D5: They all sound supported but I'm not sure the ones from SOTR are because they pretty clearly sound different even from other supported notes in the same clips. They have that almost too light quality and the vibrato sounds a little pushed but idk.
Eb5: I think all of them sound supported!
E5: The E5s from Bad Decisions were definitely strained just compared to the B4s in the same clip. I'm pretty sure the E5s from Right There on Jimmy Kimmel had tension just bc her technique wasn't that good in 2013 and the notes don't sound too stable, but everything else sounds well supported.
F5: The SWT clips sound supported and healthy to me. The Break Free F5s from DWT and HMT have that ringing quality, but I think it comes from the use of a very heady mix instead of support and I think they have high larynx too, but of course I can't know for sure.
F#5: The first 7 rings F#5 sounds a little pushed to me, but the second one sounds supported to me. Some people think that just because there's no rasp there's no strain, but Ariana is good at using a lighter mix to cover up any raspiness. The Into You F#5s to me sound like she had a high larynx on them, but the OLT note sounds supported to me. For GIAW, the first clip sounds great to me. The second clip sounds really good but the sustained F#5 with vibrato kinda sounds like her throat closed off a little on it, so I don't think it's supported.
G5: The Touch It G5s sound amazing, I always thought she had supported some of them but I didn't really know bc I thought she couldn't support above E5 yet then. A lot of the other clips have really short G5s and are hard to tell. In the first NTLTC clip, the first G5 sounds great, on the second one I think there was some tension, which then caused her to lose some control on the following run. The third G5 is way too short to tell. The DW G5s are really short and I honestly can't really tell, but the one with vibrato sounds a little strained to me. The remaining NTLTC clips sound good to me, but they're pretty short. The G5 on "men-TAL-ity" sounds really powerful but also a little pushed, so idk.
G#5: The clips from DWT don't sound supported to me. The first clip of Everytime sounds really good to me, so I'd like to think it's supported. The second clip sounds good but she loses control on the C#5, so it probably wasn't supported. The third clip sounds really good and I couldn't hear any issues. For Why Try, I don't really know how the Mimu Gloves work, so I don't know if they were supported or altered.
A5: I highly doubt the Honeymoon Avenue clips were supported. Especially on the second clip, you can hear her gain support and more power and control as she goes lower on her run. On Dangerous Woman, her E5s and G5s sound good but the A5s sound that just little bit pushed and I think they were close to supported but not quite there. Santa Tell Me sounds really great and I think it was all supported, but I can't know for sure. None of her Into You A5s ever actually sounded good, so I don't think any of them were supported.
Bb5: For the first BMB clip, it sounded like she had to push a little to reach that G#5 and the Bb5s were definitely not supported as you can hear the strain and tension in them. In the second clip, the G#5 sounds great but after I listened a few times it sound a little unstable towards the end of the note. The Bb5s sounded much better here than in the first clip but they were too short to tell for me. The first Breathin clip sounds amazing, I really think it's supported. On the third BMB clip, the G#5 sounds good but I think there was a little bit of tension. The first Bb5 sounds pushed and the second one sounds a little better but not like the ones from the second clip, so I don't think these were supported. For the fourth BMB clip, the G#5 sounds like it did on the third clip. The Bb5s sound good but you can hear that they're a little strained and that she has more support, power, and control at the bottom of the run on the Bb4s. On the last BMB clip, the G#5 in my opinion sounds much better than the other ones and like it was supported. The Bb5s sound good but to me sounded like she had a high larynx on them blocking the support and that sound carried through the rest of the run. The last clip of Breathin sounded great the whole way through except for the Bb5, which wasn't entirely on pitch and was unstable. She definitely has better examples of the Bb5 though in other concerts.
Overall I think her technique especially on SWT was really underrated and she's definitely better than most people think. The whole concept of support and resonance is really confusing though and obviously I'm no expert on vocal technique, so feel free to take what I've said with a grain of salt. PLEASE correct me and offer your respectful opinion on anything I said, I'd like to learn more from other perspectives too. I really love the concept of this video and would love to see a similar one on Demi Lovato. If you actually read this whole comment, thank youuu.
DAMN!!! 😂😂😂😂 Thats a long comment 😂😂😂😂 Also thank u for your thoughts and opinions and I will be making a similar video for Demi Lovato soon!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 Omg thank you so much I love your videos, I didn't really think anyone would read the whole thing lol
She has really developed throughout the years and I believe she will continue developing. You're right about the heady mix, it helps her with reaching the higher notes with ease.
@@bohlalenchabeleng1370 It partially does, but she still strains above F5. The light mix hides the strain more than it helps her avoid it.
does support just mean engaging the diaphragm? cuz some of these notes still have noticeable tension but they also have support cuz that’s a spectrum and not a full/none situation
yes, support mean just engaging the diaphragm!
This is INSANE!!! The haters look real stupid now 🤣🤣🤣
Even us the fans look stupid, the fact that we always believed those “youtube vocal coaches” who said she only supports B4💀
@@izonexbae I honestly did feel dumb cuz I had that gut feeling that she did support higher but I and we listened to the majority.
Speedy Comet16 exactly, i believed the internet for like a good 4 yearz💀
@@izonexbae i always think they're fake vocal coach 🤔
@@jevonchan2297 especially that Tristan Perez guy
Nothing in this video above D5 was supported all these notes sounded really good but having ease on high notes does not equal a note being supported just because her strain is not noticeable like Xtina doesn't mean it's not strained. Effects on the mic gives it the sound of resonance
it is not strained
They aren't strained at all because if she really was straining, she wouldn't have attempted so many high notes but thank u for ur thoughts and ur opinions
@@oziasgavriel U do realize u just contradicted urself right????
MJL 2003 its not Mic Resonance ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Ziah Major the not tensed like duh
YOUR MIND. I'm soooo obsessed with ther C-tone in One last time. And that sustained F#5 in One last time (04:09) is stuck in my head
Thank you for making this 💖
Yassss first
*YAAS I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT... HER NOTES SOUNDS TOO GOOD TO NOT BE SUPPORTED ALSO WHEN I WAS TUNING HER NOTES.. FOR EXAMPLE "G#5 OR Bb5" THE TUNER SHOWS IT "G#6 AND Bb6" ALSO WITH THE WHOLE 5th OCTAVE.. AND SOME TIMES SHE OVER TUNE SOME NOTES LIKE "D5" BE "A6"... SO YEAAAH.. I WAS RIGHT*
Yall peaked that transition from her full singing voice to falsetto then back to full singing voice around 6:57 FLAWLESS
One of the best singers ever! For SURE! we love a queen! 👸 👑
Her E5s are heaven
I love how husky, full and developed her voice has become over the years
How many layers of wrongness in one video
Thank u for the views!! :)
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 you're welcome. Always happy to help those who can't get attention by posting real educational content feel better about their ignorance 😊
"I fuckin knew it dude"
4:08 I’M OBSESSED
Agustín Martínez U can definitely hear how she grounded it (no longer using the term support)
Love this channel so much
las vegas be my baby was supported as hell u should've put that in
yes! i thought that when i saw the first bmb bb5 on the list
Ardo I wanted to focus on different performances because I don’t like Las Vegas that much ❤️❤️❤️
GrandeFlamesButera was the B5 peak in last vegas BMB supported?😂
jeremy superior definitely not
How can i still be impressed???? She’s every single time a better singet wth
My neighbors: already waiting
Me: here it goes *sings along*
7:02 G5 on a closed vowel 👏🏽
I loved her E5s in right there live at hmt in Anaheim, they sounded so bright/powerful/resonant you should check it out
Moonlight ENTM I know Anaheim’s E5’s were supported but I didn’t add it because its gonna be in my HMT Video ❤️❤️❤️
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 ahh okay, they sounded so beautiful
the disrespect of not including the be my baby Bb5 from las vegas
You mean she support every note all the time😨❤️
She supports up to A5 and Bb5 is still something to research on
OMFG!!!!!!! THX FOR THIS VIDEO!!!!! I LOVE HIGH NOTES!!!! AHHHHH!!!❤❤❤❤❤
Queen of ease
Her E A S E is everything ❤️🔥
Well I hear that resonance n rings 😍😍
Ariana is such an inspiring QUEEN 🖤🖤🖤🖤😗😗😗👌
Not hate or anything but Ari's support range is F#3-D5 sometimes E5 so anything above an E5 isn't supported
All I see is you repeating what someone says. No vocal knowledge of your own.
I agree, I love Ariana and her songs but above E5 she tilts her head a lot as if it was uncomfortable for her
@@KajiVocals sorry that I know shit and you don't. I'm not repeating what someone says I have a trained ear and I know that a supported note sounds like and what a strained note sounds like. I LOVE Ari's voice but with a litte practise she can become an outstanding vocalist.
Simeon Gjurcev You’re such a know-it-all that you don’t know that support has nothing to do with strain or lack of it. Fun. Go back to basics and read a book. I suggest the Estill Voice Model. You’re misusing the most basic terms like support.
@@KajiVocals Why this desperation to want to prove that Ariana supports the 5th octave? Cmon if you search on youtube for "what is supported singing" you will see that ariana supports only a few notes from the 5th octave. She remains one of the best vocalists of that generation.
i didn't know there are lots of supported 5th octave notes in DWT cos that time many ppl say she's *deteriorating vocally*
Ariana could have a much bigger supported range then G#3-B4/C5 if she relaxed her larynx more, stopped singing through her nose, and enunciated more on higher notes
u need to educate yourself more...shes officially supporting consistent up to an E5
Daydream Era omg really?? i haven’t been keeping up with her do you know any performances where she does?
vocal vids literally on all of her tours Eb5 is consistently supported
Nasality doesn't stop you from supporting lol jaaa
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 she most certainly has not supported an Eb5 on HMT that's when her technique was at its worst and she has come close to supporting Eb5 on SWT but she hasn't supported Eb5 since 2012/2013
I luv this video coz it’s the best rare supported parts!
Notice that most of the clips are from the Sweetener Tour.
AranagrandeBurta thank you so much for ariana grande's live performance she is absolutely amazing and beautiful always truly enjoy love ya always
Great video! Unfortunately, she hasn’t supported anything above E5, except for some promising F5s, but that’s it. Almost every supported belts above C5 where during the Sweetener Tour.
Just because it sounds easy and powerful doesn’t mean it’s supported, there have to be many factors present in order to be completely open and healthy. Most of what you’ve shown above E5 where good mixed belts, but not enough to be supported, this isn’t only because of tension, some times the placement could be a bit better, the jaw gets too involved, her larynx raises, the tongue it’s tense or the space on the throat is just not enough. But this doesn’t mean they weren’t great tho, Ariana is an amazing vocalist, and her voice as a whole is just insane.
Btw, I’m not criticizing her at all, she’s a million times more talented than I will ever be, but I wanted to comment my objective point of view 😊
I don’t really agree with this comment but thank u for expressing your thoughts and ur opinions peacefully ❤️❤️❤️❤️
I’m just gonna copy my previous comment cuz I’m lazy.
1) Her breath support is poor but it doesn't really mean much as breath support is not dependent on tension or lack of it. It's something entirely different. Also, you can't control your diaphragm. That's a common misconception (I know you didn't mention it but I still thought it would be relevant). 2) 'Neutral larynx' is a) relative - 'neutral larynx' position can be changed in practice as the resting larynx position is mainly habitual b) not really possible up that high in belting c) belting is genuinely characterised by higher larynx position (read the Estill Voice Model, page 133 and Honda, K. [2012] Magnetic Resonance Imaging of Vocal Mechanisms) 3) Placement is just a mental image. It doesn't really mean much as they can differ from person to person. 4) Her jaw isn't tight nor tense, it's actually fairly relaxed. And the 'tightness' you might see in her articulation of vocal melismas doesn't really affect the overall freedom of the sound. A lot of people also mention tongue tension. This isn't really present in ther voice much. She doesn't retract her tongue much. She keeps a high tongue position instead which is what is giving her bright treble-y tone and higher tessitura. Smart approach. I'm really not hearing much room for unnecessary constriction in her sound. The only thing I can think of is her sometimes overnarrowing her pharynx in her midrange to get a higher closed glottal quotient. But that's something a lot of singers do. For example Sohyang in her head voice (she does it to get rid of excess air).
i need a unsupported vs. supported video now lol
DJ 😂😂😂😂😂 Ur in luck because that is being requested a lot 😂😂😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
GrandeFlamesButera great! i need examples now bc i don’t know what is supported from her and what’s not loll
DJ I think i’ll make that video after my “HMT True Supported Range” video ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@grandeflamesbutera3949 Please don't. I'll dislike it oop.
@@KajiVocals Lmao
It physically pains me to see so many... not so smart people,to put it nicely,comment about vocal technique and act as if they know everything. The person who this video did a ton of research and has said they talked to many vocal coaches and actual professionals,not some random RUclips “vocal coach” which is where a lot of people seem to get their info. Please stop acting like you know what your talking about cause you really don’t. Instead respect this greatly made video that a person spent hours making and doing the real research for!
The best ❤️
I think the reason people doubt her technique is although she can belt quite high. She’s hasn’t had vibrato on on upper belting (for her A5 and up). She’s a high soprano, so there no reason she can’t belt notes like Sohyang. Her technique is GOOD. But not GREAT. She needs to utilise head voice not falsetto and start mixing more as she gets higher then she’ll be unstoppable
There is always room for improvement.
Literally magical
I think her f5s and above notes sound tense although she supports them(by engaging her diaphragm). Singing is a mixture of things, it isn't just about support.
I can still see some strained there and the sound was not so opened. However her ease is so amazing and I think that is we all need.
6:16 these notes are incredible omg, they sound so balanced and controlled
Aris A5’s during swt (especially Santa tell me) sounded great and supported
1:27 😍😍 OMG I'm surprised.
My queen
G5's in Jimmy Fallon ntltc supported too?
Jevon Chan 99% of the NTLTC Sustained G5’s are definitely without a doubt supported
but yes? thank u for this video!!
Hiiiii, I LOVE THIS VIDEO SO DON'T @ ME.
I think that she's "supporting" (you cannot understand how much I hate this term lol) up to G5... Everything above is... Idk sound tense (or at least most of them), in particular BMB Bb5 sounded just... Tense.
Still you disrupted a myth ♥️
true but SWT Bb5 is supported
luca Idk I’m still researching Bb5’s but they are definitely becoming consistent if not getting there
GrandeFlamesButera I'd say they're close, but we'll know in the future.
donofriocarlo46 Not trying to be rude or anything, but I heard your cover of God Is A Woman for Cam's vocal competition (I'm a judge). I wanted to say that if I go by what you're saying sounds tense then I'd say pretty much that your belts are tense. There's nothing wrong with tension because you need tension to execute a note period. If there was no tension then there wouldn't be any sound.
Tension is basically closure. Too much of it causes pain, strain, and poor placements while singing, that's where the real problem is. So, if we apply that to Ariana what about her voice sounds poor in placement, painful, or strained? Your F#5's sound "tense", yet they're very much free.
You kind of see where I'm coming from?
@@vivifiedvocals4470 so... I know my f#5s (everything above Eb5) are really tense, and I'm really trying to improve
the FUCKING F5 IN EVERYTIME ON SWEETENER SEASONS IS SO CUTE
No hate but a lot of these notes are not actually supported
Josh Thank u for your thoughts and opinions
Goodmorning and goodafternoon that was amazin 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌