Trip Report | Milan - Istanbul | Turkish Airlines Economy Class | Airbus A330-300

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  • Опубликовано: 16 ноя 2024

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  • @ilianalezcano9738
    @ilianalezcano9738 2 года назад +12

    Love the way you document every single thing, we can learn a lot from your experience. Great video.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +4

      Thanks Iliana, nice to see you around again!
      I am happy you enjoyed the comments, this is a platform for me to share things I think with people just like me. It makes me happy😁

  • @BrazilianLivingAbroad
    @BrazilianLivingAbroad 2 года назад +5

    Thank you so much for the amazing trip report. This is entertainment - and information - at its best!

  • @donnadwarika6370
    @donnadwarika6370 2 года назад +2

    Great music for starting thank you for the trip Hope i can visit Turkey in maybe near future

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I’m sure you will visit soon!
      But as you’re all the way in Trinidad I would recommend taking a nice month long (or more) tour around Europe!

  • @dbf240573
    @dbf240573 2 года назад +3

    What a great report! I always learn new aviation facts with you, it´s so entertaining. I love TK ans IST airport, it´s really cool watching their departure boards with all those exotics destinations...and spotting all those different airlines. Thanks again sharing yours trips! I´m addicted to them.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      The destination board is the insanest I’ve ever seen in my life.. There are countless of exotic destinations. I even get the feeling that TK will just fly anywhere just to say they fly everywhere..! But good for them!
      Thanks for the comment, have a nice one!

  • @KG1970.
    @KG1970. 2 года назад +4

    Nice Vid
    And the pie is called Su Böreği in Turkish.I'm Greek with my family roots in Turkey. (Türkiye)
    Parents born there

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      Thanks a lot!! I was wondering about the name, glad someone told me.
      I was in Greece 3 weeks ago, I love it.. It’s the perfect place in the summer.
      A flight on Aegean is coming out soon!

    • @KG1970.
      @KG1970. 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation looking forward to that one

  • @mig882001
    @mig882001 2 года назад +2

    Always great to see another great video ,Turkish Airlines always been on my bucket list airline to fly

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      They’re nice! But as you live in Singapore, in my opinion, you have many better airlines to fly from
      Singapore😅.
      Turkish is great for the humble-low cost used Europeans. But it’s not really at SQ’s, , EK, QR, MH, JL, NH, TG, etc’s level.
      But by all means try it! The more variety, the better!

  • @gunvaldsandhaland7757
    @gunvaldsandhaland7757 2 года назад +2

    Love the 2-4-2 seating.great work

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      It’s one of the best, only bested by the 2-3-2 on the B767. Don’t think we’ll ever see that again..

  • @ZRHTrainspotter
    @ZRHTrainspotter Год назад +2

    14:53 thats Turkish Börek 😊

  • @adamw1944
    @adamw1944 2 года назад +3

    Excellent trip report. your knowledge of aviation "secrets" is outstanding. Thank you for this interesting video.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I wish I could share the “secrets” that I know, but I can’t!🤐 There actually are some very interesting ones!
      But I’m more then happy to share everything else with all of you! Thanks for watching yet again!

  • @user-jt6gr6we3l
    @user-jt6gr6we3l 2 года назад +2

    Literally you are the best

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Wait for what’s coming soon! I had such great flights recently that I can’t wait to share!

  • @TripandTravels
    @TripandTravels 2 года назад +4

    Huge fan of your videos. Somehow I love flying with Turkish Airlines on all my flights to Europe and I’m based in Singapore and I prefer them to Singapore Airlines. My last flight with TK from Vienna to Istanbul was far more enjoyable than the flight from Istanbul to Singapore with singapore airlines. Needless to say their business lounge in Istanbul is amazing!
    Like you rightly pointed out, their breakfast meal on Economy class is always that white pastry thing :)

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      How rare that you prefer TK over SQ..
      They are great and enjoyable, don’t get me wrong. But SQ is just so chic..
      The lounge in Istanbul is indeed amazing. The only problem for me is that I live in the UAE and the local carriers just beat TK in my opinion, so I rather fly with them..
      Nevertheless always enjoy TK!

  • @nevillehb
    @nevillehb 2 года назад +2

    @3:17 the flight duty time for the crew and the total flight time is calculated from chocks off to chocks on. Which is why the actual flight time will always be less than the one mentioned in the schedule. Thank you once more for an awesome video!!!

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      True, but you also need to have those extra minutes for taxi, or just for contingency. Some airlines have little spare time and thus seem always late, while there was one that had an insane much of extra schedule time thus always is “on time”. Can’t remember which one, but it might be Iberia of some sorts.. Will try to remember!
      Love your random facts! Keep ‘em coming!

  • @Lucabrazi23
    @Lucabrazi23 Год назад +1

    First leaving a message on aviation RUclips channel, and have subscribed, love the way you identify background aircraft. When watching other channels always wondered about type of aircraft in the background. You are appreciated hope you get more subscribers.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  Год назад

      I appreciate the comment Luca, and welcome to the club!
      Identifying the aircraft takes ages, but I love to know myself where planes are going so I though others would like it too 😃
      Have a lovely one!

  • @autisticbirsen
    @autisticbirsen 2 года назад +2

    This breakfast looks a lot better than the one they have with egg and tomatoes

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      And even better then no breakfast at all!😛
      I can’t complain!
      Thanks for watching

  • @RK45Vlogs
    @RK45Vlogs 2 года назад +1

    Always love watching ur videos

  • @martinvareed8756
    @martinvareed8756 2 года назад +1

    THE LAYOVER'S AVIATION INSTITUTE :) AVGEEK certified..... :) thanks again......

  • @TheFrankozzi
    @TheFrankozzi 2 года назад +2

    Such a stellar Sunday afternoon wake up It was 🙏. I was not expecting such a detailed and perfectly edited vid.. Thks You made my day . Am a frequent flyer on Ethiopian Mxp Nbo but soon on TK to Nairobi via Ist . Thks in advance for all your future vds..i will surely follow u . Am a commercial jets addicted 😃

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      If your a plane addict then you’re at the right place! Have a lot of fun and a very great flight on TK soon!
      I’ll release a video on Ethiopian soon. I have to say I like TK much more😃

  • @JelmersAviation
    @JelmersAviation 2 года назад +1

    Wonderful video mate!

  • @abdurrafi6555
    @abdurrafi6555 2 года назад +1

    Love it!! Turkish Airlines is very unique.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      They are special indeed, for Euro and American standards though..
      It’s in my opinion still a step below Middle Eastern carriers..

    • @abdurrafi6555
      @abdurrafi6555 2 года назад +1

      @@TheLayoverAviation I agree, but Turkish Airlines will slowly improve and compete with other middle eastern airlines for sure

    • @AS-br8si
      @AS-br8si 2 года назад +2

      @@abdurrafi6555 Turkish airline is also cheaper than most middle East carriers!

    • @abdurrafi6555
      @abdurrafi6555 2 года назад

      @@AS-br8si yes!!! That’s true, but they are slowly
      Improving !!

    • @AS-br8si
      @AS-br8si 2 года назад +1

      I think there economy is ok but need improvement in business class;)

  • @abdurrafi6555
    @abdurrafi6555 2 года назад +2

    I loved seeing all sorts of Airlines at Istanbul's' Airport, Emirates to Turkish, to Etihad Airlines. 23:00

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      There is a wide choice of airlines, but not as much as I expected. I think it’s also because not all can compete against Turkish. Many airlines are missing in IST..

    • @abdurrafi6555
      @abdurrafi6555 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation Yes that’s true

  • @usamasandhu2412
    @usamasandhu2412 2 года назад +1

    Great video nice capture Good job

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Usama! You were not the first one this time😉🙂
      Thanks my friend!

  • @suhailshafi
    @suhailshafi 2 года назад

    The meal looks absolutely exquisite !

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      It’s nice, but I have to recognize that I’ve had the same meal over 15 times🥲

  • @a350
    @a350 2 года назад

    Great Movie, As Allways!

  • @Ali-Baig
    @Ali-Baig 2 года назад +2

    Yay turkey, somehow your video always matches my mood Alex love your work you are definitely the best flight Vlogger. Ps. Don’t tell Sam chui or Josh Cahill

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Thanks Ali! I hope it’s a good mood then!
      I had so many nice videos recorded from the past weeks of holidays.. Japan, Thailand, Croatia, Austria. It will be interesting!
      Sam is a pioneer, I was reading all his written reports when I was a kid.
      And Josh, don’t know.. While I always have great experiences his always are kind of bad. That confirms that life is whatever you make out of it; I am positive, I behave so and I’m good to those that look after me, so my flights are always good no matter how “bad” the airline is.
      He seems to be the opposite 😅

  • @deanmeixner
    @deanmeixner 2 года назад +2

    Great flight report. The food looked really good for a short flight. The last time I had a ciggie on a flight was with an old French Airline UTA DC10 (Une Triste Affaire or Up The A** as we aptly named it) on a flight from Nouméa to Sydney back in the early 80s. Great flap action as always 🤣😈🍸

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      Wow Dean, what a nice memory! I remember UTA and their DC10’s. What an incredible engine noise. Une Triste Affaire😂
      ALITALIA: Always Late In Takeoff, Always Late In Arrival
      I got to smoke once on a plane in 2008, but it was a special government charter so some corrupt politicians decided to smoke and nobody told them anything, so I participated 😄
      It was horrible though, left with red eyes from all the smoke.
      Thanks for the comment!

    • @deanmeixner
      @deanmeixner 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation Love the Alitalia acronym ... I have quite a few ... Qantas = Queens and Naughty Tarts Air Service, Sabena = Such a Bloody Effort Never Again, Air France was Air Chance ... and the one for Lufthansa is a little rude ... Let Us %#$@ The Hostesses and Now Sing Along ... 😂😂😂

  • @Jetset_hd
    @Jetset_hd 2 года назад

    Yayyy another upload, let’s goooo

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      Slowly coming back to editing again.. Was busy this summer!

  • @alexsajen
    @alexsajen 2 года назад +1

    Hey buddy, sorry I missed seeing some of your recent uploads 😔 Had a busy schedule, but anyways thank you for this " Turkiye" treat. Felt like a serene and uneventful flight from an otherwise bustling airline.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      No worries Alex, it’s a busy season. I’ve got no time for anything, not even to go to wee😂
      Thanks for writing. It was a pretty normal flight, just great that it was empty!

  • @carloscunha8284
    @carloscunha8284 2 года назад +1

    So that is a breakfast in a lecacy airline in the old continent(Europe), waw i am impressed.
    LOL there is the pre-recorded flight attendants anouncements, i hope that will not be a trending ahaha.
    Now a days all the airlines lacks imagagination, all the planes looks like refigerators, white, white and white lol
    Great video.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      It is a good breakfast, but those who fly Turkish Airlines often will notice it has been the same breakfast for many years😅
      The announcements, we’ll what to do.. Like in a supermarket, right?
      Thanks for watching yet again!

  • @ademamraoui4381
    @ademamraoui4381 Год назад +1

    I love the video ❤

  • @danielonn2002
    @danielonn2002 2 года назад +1

    Awesome VLOG

  • @ram-it.damn-it
    @ram-it.damn-it 2 года назад +1

    I enjoy watching your videos..one of the best passenger aviation videos. Your lounge experiences capture are so clean with no irritating techno music like an others. I wonder how do u know to/ fro location of all the panes captured in ur Video. You explain different technalities of flying and landing and other plane mechanics which is interesting.👍

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Thanks Ramit! Very happy you enjoy watching!
      I know the locations thanks to a live plane radar that tells me where they’re going/coming from.
      Keep enjoyin!

  • @BeautybySaraBarch
    @BeautybySaraBarch 2 года назад

    I am officially addicted to your intro song 😅🥳

  • @ItaiGanor
    @ItaiGanor 2 года назад +1

    Great Video Buddy!!(I came back after a long trip in Norway so I'm completing all your videos :D), i flew with tk in 2019 to Sweden, excellent flights, and Istanbul airport is maassssiveeee!

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      How was Norway?! Made a video of your flight there?😉
      Istanbul is indeed massive, perhaps too big for me.. I have never had time yet to eat something or go to the lounge because I’m just walking up and down between gates🤷🏻‍♂️
      Glad to see you around again!

    • @ItaiGanor
      @ItaiGanor 2 года назад +1

      @@TheLayoverAviation Norway was amazing! i been hiking over there, but of course, the flights toward there were really good, flow with Austrian, Swiss, Flyr,Wildeo so many flights! :D

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      What a hell of an experience, life well lived! Hope you can repeat soon!

  • @A-man77
    @A-man77 2 года назад +1

    Hope you will grow faster n reached million your dedication is ossum lots of love from Nepal❤️

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      Thank you so much for the good wishes!
      I hope so, 1M would allow me to dedicate myself 100% to this, as now I’ve got my own job and I can only find 15% time max for RUclips.
      One can only wish and work hard!
      Thanks for watching!

  • @astrofox4410
    @astrofox4410 2 года назад +1

    Nice vid

  • @varunnaag
    @varunnaag 2 года назад

    Hi, I really like the way you describe your trip. Pls advise which app do u use to find out which aircraft is going to or coming from across all the airports?

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I’m happy you enjoy it Varun!
      I use the Flightradar24 app, but there are plenty out there.
      Have fun!

  • @manikandangurusamy741
    @manikandangurusamy741 2 года назад

    Was looking for your video thala !
    Impeccable job
    Greetings from South india

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Thanks Manikandan! Glad you enjoyed!
      Greetings back from Dubai, can’t wait to visit South India again and eat!

    • @manikandangurusamy741
      @manikandangurusamy741 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation hope we will get asap

    • @manikandangurusamy741
      @manikandangurusamy741 2 года назад

      this DP picture took in muscat airport when i was oman when i was boarding on mihin lanka airline which heading to srilanka via colombo to my home town madurai

  • @michaelbeck3766
    @michaelbeck3766 2 года назад +3

    you must be in the aviation industry with your knowledge of systems, routes, etc. what do you do for work? just curious, and i appreciate your very detailed flight reviews! PS it's great you bring the cabin crew gifts.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      Thanks a lot for the comment!
      I bring gifts as a habit, I never go empty handed when I am invited somewhere.
      And also as I used to staff travel as a kid and it was common courtesy to bring something.
      The knowledge is indeed influenced by family in the aviation industry, my own interest and countless of years of super high frequent travel..!
      I’ll hope to be able to publish soon what I exactly do for a living!

  • @AmirHaidari-ye2mx
    @AmirHaidari-ye2mx 8 месяцев назад +1

    No it's Boeing 787 for doors and Airbus a330 300-

  • @luisluisaviation
    @luisluisaviation 2 года назад +2

    ¡Me preguntaba cual seria el próximo! Tu desayuno en Turco se llama Börek, a mi no me gusto mucho, a ti? ¡Felicitaciones por 16.000 subs Alejo! 🎉

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      Luisito!
      Gracias por la info, pero creo que Börek, burek, etc, es casi lo mismo pero alargado. Esto viene a ser un pedazo de un digamos “pastel” más grande.
      Se come cada mañana aquí en Croacia y me molestan cada día cuando le doy el nombre equivocado (lo hago aposta para molestarles).
      Me ha de gustar por las buenas o por las malas, mi esposa es Croata y su madre nos lo prepara semanalmente cuando estamos aquí 😂
      Saludos desde Croacia!

    • @luisluisaviation
      @luisluisaviation 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation 😅😅😅 LOL! Disfruten en familia!

  • @sebinamuwanga
    @sebinamuwanga Год назад +1

    Meeting point of the world: Yes, Turkish has the highest number of international destinations. The twin jets perform single engine taxi to save fuel. Do the quad jets perform 2 or three engine taxing?

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  Год назад

      Good question! The 4 engined ones can do it both on 3 and to, more commonly with 2. I know Emirates does it often on the A380.

  • @AmirHaidari-ye2mx
    @AmirHaidari-ye2mx 7 месяцев назад

    Weri good

  • @nkhan4
    @nkhan4 11 месяцев назад

    I wish Turkish would upgrade their business class in their 777s, 2-3-2 is such a bad set up. but hopefully something better than their a350 seats that cover windows with the wrap around head space.

  • @sahilanant123
    @sahilanant123 2 года назад +1

    I flew DXB-IST in 2009 and back on TK. Even DXB-IST-VCE and CDG-IST-DXB in 2010. They still had the same main dish hahahaha. 14:49. Gets a bit boring easily but their other choices are superb. Especially in chicken. So its sad when thats all they have.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад +1

      See! I am not crazy, the food is repetitive!
      I understand that you don’t need to fix something that’s not broken, but come on.. I’m sure the chef’s at Do&Co are eager to make something else!😜

  • @kevin19358
    @kevin19358 10 месяцев назад

    How much did you pay to fly Turkish airlines at that time of your booking? I am curious.

  • @raghavarora8116
    @raghavarora8116 2 года назад +1

    Luv ur vlogs bro

  • @swaroop9464
    @swaroop9464 2 года назад

    Hi bro the video was excellent💫 and there is a flight between Dubai to Bengaluru first time A380 landing in bangaluru on october 30th if u vlog that flight it would be great 😃

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I’ve taken the A380 to Mumbai a few times, unfortunately it’s a night flight both ways. I’ll do my best but there isn’t much to see.. 🙁

    • @swaroop9464
      @swaroop9464 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation try ur best that's it thank you for Lovely reply

  • @ArCtic2509
    @ArCtic2509 2 года назад

    Where did you get all these information from the ramp ? You know so much

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I either check the destination live on my phone or check the registrations out at a later stage. no big trick, just lots of work!😵

    • @ArCtic2509
      @ArCtic2509 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation yes thats what i tgaught much work then :D but nice quality content

  • @jimenapaton413
    @jimenapaton413 2 года назад +1

    Saludos desde Bolivia 🇧🇴 y desde cochabamaba en el siguiente vuelo podrás hacer desde Miami a Bolivia en boliviana de aviación boa

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Hola Jimena, me encantaría visitar Bolivia próximamente, el problema es que normalmente viajo por negocio o familia y no me suele lleva a Bolivia.. Tendría que ir en mi tiempo libre y el viaje desde Dubai sería de unas 24 horas sólo la ida🥲
      Ojalá pronto..

  • @Sttk-il6cz
    @Sttk-il6cz 5 месяцев назад

    What seat did you change

  • @user-jt6gr6we3l
    @user-jt6gr6we3l 2 года назад +1

    I recommend you to fly IndiGo if you are in india

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I’m very much looking forward to fly them. Many people recommend them to me.
      Soon!

  • @LINJ638
    @LINJ638 2 года назад

    How big is New Istanbul airport still growing? Btw, worst place to be stuck in during the zombie apocalypse and that goes for any airport.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      But it specially goes for Istanbul, it’s just so crowded and there’s people from all over the world!
      Yes, it’s ever growing and has so much more room for growth.. mental!

    • @LINJ638
      @LINJ638 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation Which is better? DXB or New Istanbul?

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Tough question!
      I rather have something small, like Bahrain!
      New Istanbul is just massive.. And no free WiFi! (there is but it’s so hard to get that I can’t even be bothered).
      I would go for Dubai as I like the lounges there better and the prices are more affordable.

  • @LINJ638
    @LINJ638 2 года назад

    Is New Istanbul airport going to outrank your home airport DXB?

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I think it is likely so, there is so much room to expand while in DXB there isn’t.
      But Dubai has mostly big planes so the passenger numbers are likely to remain higher there for the time being. Time will tell!

    • @LINJ638
      @LINJ638 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation Damn!!! It is another neck and neck racing to the top.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Well, I don’ really think that having the biggest airport means being the best.. It’s rather quality in my opinion. And for international travel I would still rank Emirates waaaaay higher then TK, for now..

    • @LINJ638
      @LINJ638 2 года назад

      @@TheLayoverAviation That is what I was thinking about DXB for reason, maybe it is better designed for passengers to travel through as oppose to New Istanbul.

  • @AmirHaidari-ye2mx
    @AmirHaidari-ye2mx 8 месяцев назад

    I like Turkish airlines for the on ly day 1

  • @antoniodavirbrito
    @antoniodavirbrito 2 года назад

    Do you want to travel to Brazil?I invite you to flight some domestic routes here like GRU-FOR,FOR-MAO,MAO-BSB and BSB-GRU.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      I’m looking forward to it. I do hope my job requires me to go there soon..

  • @AmirHaidari-ye2mx
    @AmirHaidari-ye2mx 7 месяцев назад

    We like Turkish airlines Jes or no

  • @javeriafahad9078
    @javeriafahad9078 2 года назад

    I want to see pakistan international airlines

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Me too!
      I unfortunately can’t just walk in, need visa, hotels, etc and have little time!
      Will do my very best to go soon!

  • @fahimchowdhury2308
    @fahimchowdhury2308 5 месяцев назад

    Seat number please

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  5 месяцев назад

      Can’t remember now.. Isn’t it there somewhere once I board the plane?

  • @peterrisbergs7156
    @peterrisbergs7156 2 года назад

    Beer for breakfast? You must be Latvian. Vodka would be better. Latvians call this "jumptins" meaning little roof.

    • @TheLayoverAviation
      @TheLayoverAviation  2 года назад

      Spanish! And no vodka on TK 😭
      But it was kind of brunch time, so it’s justifiable 😄
      Thanks for writing Peter!

  • @nkhan4
    @nkhan4 11 месяцев назад +1

    I wish Turkish would upgrade their business class in their 777s, 2-3-2 is such a bad set up. but hopefully something better than their a350 seats that cover windows with the wrap around head space.