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The combination of this dude having his petri keybound and clicking it anyways, not re-petri when mobs were away, and waiting til his petri was about to wear off before moving his mouse to the icon sent me to another dimension. Some people don’t deserve to make it to 60
Yeah, dude deserved that death, how dumb can you be?
Such an L comment.
@@gamerdude999 how so? You think that guy played the situation well and shouldn’t have died?
because they always play this bad. That's how they made it so far
??? like obviously its because they don't always make mistakes like this lmao
@@treefrog9392 Either way, this player made the worst decision possible to not re-petri when it was safe and instead of spamming their key bind or clicking it repeatedly when it was about to wear off, they decided to only try and click it once it had worn off for a good half second. BAD player in that situation no matter how you slice it.
8:46 - 9:00 taking your first steps out of Seyda Neen in Morrowind
Hardcore is supposed to be extreme, but having no chance at all due to to game instability is just......more than sad
It will never be perfect. Folks know what they sign up for.
Game instability? Dafaq. They just fucked up the MECHANIC of the fight lol. He hits for 5-6k
The guy isn't talking about the aq20 raid clip, he's talking about the clips where people dc due to bad server@@johnstetak1731
the issue is, most of the time when people showcase a lag death from a DC or something, its not actually a server instability issue.
People are starting to think its actually the addons hardcore servers use, because these issues are not happening widespread across blizzard servers, which if it was a server instability issue, it would be impacting more than they are.
What's even worse is people who would sacrifice days/weeks of their time to RNG. It's hard enough for casual gamers to level to 60 let alone on Hardcore. It's only for the greasiest of the players
You're 100% correct. Dying to a DC is NOT the same as just dying. If you make a mistake, you pay the price. That's Hardcore /gitgud !!
But, if Blizz makes a mistake (servers...) and you die, people won't put up with that BS. I'm lvl 50. If I DC die, I'm F-king DONE
Bro you know what you signed up for...
Dude just play on a private server where deaths are appealable... why is it this such a hard concept for people?
interesting, condescending and insulting at the same time, gratz. And I understand, you'd rather tell me how to play instead of you actually doing what you just said ~ so ok, off you go to your private server paradise then, /failtroll @@MrBeegs88
@@MrBeegs88cause no one wants to play on a shitty fake version , how is that hard to understand
@@patrickhouse9005 the entire wow classic idea was taken from private servers... blizzard did the exact same thing private servers did lmao. if it was soo "shitty", blizzard would never try to compete with private servers by making wow classic and then going even further making their own vanilla+ (also taken directly from private servers).
what do you think people who wanted to play vanilla and hardcore and all that were doing BEFORE blizzard made classic? private servers lmao
Petri guy didn't even have the mouse over the petri flask for re-petri. The depths of panic into which people (myself included) descend are incredible. Why do we go to places where we cannot use our brain?
It's not about using your brain, it's about using your brain correctly under very stressful situations. Panic is a really hard thing to avoid when you've got 250+ hours on a character and you're staring death in the face.
Semantics
Everyone has to learn to handle stress, if you get into those kidn of situations multiple times you will get alot better at how you handle yourself. Its normal, some just have alot more experience with these kind of situations.
He is an awful player that was carried to 60 by buying gold to completely BOE out his character with epics. He had 2 flurry axes at one point. Very deserved death
@@MrBeegs88nah just a pve andy nabster that didn't even have the potion on a keybind. If he played pvp he would have been used to this situations and would 110% binded the potion.
Shield wall on pull is such a boomer strat; Pop a stone shield & save 30m CD for when you actually need it like when moving the bosses when the healers are repositioning from his stomp. You click crystal once Ossirian is at the bottom of the stairs. He gets the debuff by the time he reaches the tank. Easier yet is to rogue/hunter cheese the crystal mechanic.
u actually dont need either of those, all u need to do is mount up, pull the boss while bringing him near the crystal, anyone literally anyone can click the crystal
Boomers don’t even know what wow is lol
@@Rudohardt if you're not popping a stoneshield, then you're misplaying - especially in HC.
@@-Believeinyourself- Boomers made wow popular.
@@Surms41 I deleted my comment because I was an absolute dick for no reason, I’m sorry.
Xaryu explaining over cdews explanation almost gave me an aneurysm.
Content baby.
Xaryu legit in a nutshell
I started screaming at the screen.
The warlock must have felt like playing Morrowind all over again.
That falling mage was such a Morrowind POV 😂
The crystal should be pre clicked when he's down the stairs, boss doesn't have to be right on it, the range is big. You can pop Shield wall just in case to be safe but crystal should have been clicked way earlier and definitely before popping defensive CDs lol. They had the pull completely wrong.
Crazy that they don't know that in 2023.
@@YannLHC its crazy they went in there in hardcore without knowing it.
This is just wow players in a nutshell. Thats why i hated raiding. Theres always some stupid bumfuck who fucks up when all he has to do is literally just click 1 button. Even such a simple task is too much for the brainpower on 90% of wowplayers. And as a result you have to sit there for 6+ hours on a weekday wiping over and over. So much fun
Daethlock had that OG morrowind moment. lmao
11:55 LPT, there's a tablet that you can also click on the other side of the wall, outside of any aggro range
One of my HC characters is a mage I'm slowly leveling casually as a sort of bank alt to make food/drinks/ports for friends. I decided to pull a three-pack with frostbolt into sheep. Very easy, I could burst one down before the second arrived for nova and not even get a melee swing on me.
In the middle of the frostbolt cast? Disconnected.
The sheer depression of seeing that was immeasurable. I got back in just in time to throw out frost nova and blink away, barely surviving, but if I had died to that I think I'd have just quit the game. Oh, and as a fun side note? A Dwarf hunter was next to my disconnected mage watching him get wailed on, planning to just watch him die.
lost my 11 mage to anaya in the druid zone. dcd and just accepted it came back dead
@@morganfreeman5260 It's still a few hours of your life gone, even at 11. People don't have the right perspective on this.
Those same people would tap their feet and rage waiting in line for 15 minutes without even a shred of self-awareness.
@@fuzzwobble It's all meaningless at the end of the day bud. Wasted time spent having fun is seen differently as wasted time in idle.
The AQ20 raid was supposed to be good? When I first saw this video I thought they were a bunch of casuals. You don't even need to use defensive cooldowns, you just click the damn crystal before the boss touches you, and dps don't nuke. It's not a DPS race. You let the tanks get threat and then shoot.
Yeah I'm actually shocked about the lack of tactic knowledge in these hardcore raids
If I die post 30 to dc, confirm perma quit. Maybe if no communication to player, immune for up to 10 minutes until they back. They come back in to same spot with same mobs to avoid abusing it. You still have to get out of the mess you made if you are in one.
Yeah, instancing -- while technically feasible, that would require some actual development and implementation work from Blizz for it to work smoothly, work that I don't think the company is willing to put in -- they're just milking their gold cow dry at this point
sometimes I wonder how some of these guys made it this far
They are literally turning with the keyboard 😂
bro u cant judge a person of a 10 sec clip from a lifetime of gaming . im am 100% sure that you have made mistakes that have gotten you killed in games aswell. Everyone is bound for a brain fart at some point, maybe super tired or some other reason and misstakes happens
@@linusboden7050 not like this dude, thats some autism shit right there. These people are TERRIBLE at the game, its not about making a mistake once or twice, these people are simply bad players.
Not ALL of them ofcourse, but lets take Berg for example: You can´t convince me that guy has more than 5 braincells left, he missplayed SO BADLY and took others with him into the abyss. You dont do that if you´re smart but he is dumb and didnt care ... Im sorry for the Paladin who insta loh him and died because of it.
That one was a good player, Berg is terrible, you get the difference? xD
This is why I play hardcore on Ascension. As soon as you dc or srvr kicks you out you get teleported to your HS location.
DC protection idea...when a character DC is detected, they get a 30(?) second "buff" that reduces (or fully shields) damage from mob abilities, and the buff drops on reconnection after the UI loads. Players don't "despawn" in the world for 60(?) seconds after a DC. This would allow players a chance to reconnect and save themselves if it's a simple connection error...but would still kill players that attempt to DC to "save" themselves in combat. If the server ends up crashing/restarting, all players with the buff are ported to the nearest graveyard as a "protection" measure. Probably needs some tweaks to account for players who Petri or Limited Invulnerability Potion before DCing (if that works like I've started to see some people suggest doing).
One of my reservations about playing hardcore Classic is server lag and disconnects. That and random trolls that try to kill you in various ways. Both elements are out of your control.
That mage randomly falling from the air was a true Morrowind moment.
Crazy thing is there are private servers that send you to the nearest inn when you dc/the server crashes or they restart for maintenance.
Blizzard could EASILY solve it. Why bother though? They know you'll just go again, and they get more playtime.
I have lost the last two characters to disconnects ...blizzard needs to get on this issue . Done with WoW as hardcore is the only thing I'm interested in.
It's not going to happen. Blizzard has proved time and time again that all they give a shit about is money, though if they had any fucking sense they would hire people to review video footage for death appeals. Until then, play HC on a private server. Thats what I do
I dont think a single game exists with 100% uptime on its servers.
7:45 Everyone running for their lives 🤣
That guy with petri could not think at all
No, on Ossirian your main tank rides up to get initial aggro and rides past the crystal. Your designated clicker can click the crystal as he hits the bottom of the stairs.... the activation time will hit him as he reaches the tank and debuffs before the hit.
This guys got the hairline be live action Vegeta lol
The giga chad warlock for sure thought about that plan before he logged in.
Warlock thought he was playing Morrowind for a second when that mage fell
8:55 That's the opening hour of Morrowind right there.
You don't really need to shield wall before pulling AQ20 last boss though. As long as you know how to click the cristal ....
That Hunter got that priest killed, haha and not fading
Last guy literally did everything wrong. Survived by dumb luck. I like how he waited for the fear to end and started to walk towards the mob before bandaging. Wouldn't have mattered anyway cuz of poison, but.. it's crazy how panic can just totally shut down your pre frontal cortex. Seems like a bad survival mechanism
He faded... faded right back to Brill.
Blizzard must have forgotten about hardcore d3 when they were making this
Lost a 51 mage to NA d/c today, no aoe farming, soloed the elite quests etc. I know it's not blizzards fault, and I absolutely just want to quit. Can't believe they can't hire interns to handle appeals.
Have you tried playing games made by developers who actually respect your time?
@@mattandrews2594 yes, and I thoroughly enjoy them when I do. I was hoping to hit 60 as my, "last hurrah," after 18 years of wow so I can have closure and retire. I get to choose how to spend my own time thankfully.
@@valkrenfrost So you'd choose to play WoW hard-core and potentially never get to 60 because of outside reasons?
@@mattandrews2594 gotta take risks in life to get what you want, let people enjoy things
@@valkrenfrost You literally said you just want to quit, so clearly you aren't having fun. I'm merely the one advising you to cut out a bad developer and play good games instead.
HE FADED ALRIGHT LOL
Me and my brother died alongside our group on a baron pull the day we turned 60. Our healer dc'd. We obv never went for a second lvl 60 run, were a bit mad but was comforted that we made it to 60. Needless to say, our death was very anti climatic and disappointing
The problem with disconnect protection is that people will find ways to abuse it , like any other good things added into the game there is always someone who ruins it.
True
idk they gave that rationale for not implementing one in diablo 4 hardcore while PoE hardcore has one that is perfectly reasonable and hasnt been exploited? Seems more like too lazy and uninventive to design an efficient protection. Or, different phrasing: no more vision and understaffing
It's better to have some abuse it than many lost legit players.
5:55 You don't shield wall on the pull. Just click the crystal when he's at the bottom of the stairs. You can also glitch this boss and by pass this mechanic completely
Yea thats in softscore. In HC you shield wall on pull.
It's stupid to wall on pull though... Do like this guy said, click at the end of the stairs. and you have wall in case of bad spawns on any of the next crystals. The range of the crystals is way longer than ppl think.
I'm not saying they are smart on HC to do it this way i've just noticed that almost every encounter i have seen with this boss thats how they do it. I would save SW as well.@@denniss7575
@@denniss7575 its just not worth risking it. The later crystal spawns are easy, one druid with cheetah or one hunter as designated clickers with move speed and you have a big margin for messing up later crystals, but initial pull there's no margin. Done this boss a bunch of times and every so often the tanks will messup the pull, the odds are too high of messing up pull to risk it if you plan on farming this raid eventually you'll mess it up.
@@JD-ub5ic Well if you have the tank do the pull, thats your first mistake. Someone else should do it and keep on running past the raid. Then when the crystals hits, tank taunt. Then it do not mater if you are a bit late with the crystal. This is how i always done it as tank and keep on doing it.
The LBRS guy was a clinical clicker. No amount of keybinds could save him.
that warrior is the guild leader clicking his petri i cant even with these classic andys
I love it when something makes xaryu swear lol
Did no one else notice the gnome died while helping the warrior? 12:47
He typed H so he was clicking and pressing H.
You don't need shield wall for that boss. Never done it that way. Never needed to. They tried a special strat and died for it. Honestly, they didn't even go for safety. If you wanted to be extra safe, you click the crystal before the boss is there AND shield wall. Going shield wall only is just stupid. And they still could have lived this if the tank hadn't chosen not to click the crystal. I mean seriously, did he just give up as soon as he popped reck by accident?
For those interested: the moment you click the first crystal is exactly when the boss steps on the bit of the stairs that is covered by sand. If you click it when he is at the very bottom (just a moment later) it'll get really close, so maybe don't do that. It can work but why risk it?
Hozito said I wasn’t watching my health.. Bro you got globaled😂😂
Brah the warrior whose bags are full is level is almost level 40 using 6 slot bags.
This brings me physical pain thinking about trying to manage your inventory with 0 bag space.
To be fair I'm guilty of this too, but I also have a main character that makes all the money so I dont need to gather stuff on my alt
8:52 YOO I hope the warlock played morrowind because that’s exactly what happens in a random quest at the beginning of the game, a mage falling from the sky into a swamp because his spell didn’t work properly 😂😂
9:46 The issue with blizzard is that sometimes when I play, it just dc me for no reason and my net is working just fine.
something like a disconnection protection is technicly impossible. Its impossible for the server to distinguish between a voluntary disconnect and an unvoluntary one
"Laughs in TinyViolin" lolololol
When you dc, for the next 30 seconds AI should be controlling you, just like it does when you get hit by MC. It should be enough for most of those cases of "got dc mob at 5%". AI may be dumb, but it will cast the basic spells and autoattack the closest mob.
Suggestion for those blasted roaches: Turn on name plates for critters, and if you see a roach, kill it.
the guy trying to re-petri was clicking AND spamming his keybind at the same time. no amount of clicking makes the button move that fast. he was clicking for extra inputs just incase his keybind spam didn't work. granted, he should have just done it when the mobs were gone and been safe. and he also should have definitely been hitting it earlier, but you can see from the number of times the key activates that he didn't JUST click it.
people make dumb decisions when they panic.
14:53 that cracked me up
You should turn invincible if you disconnect but then Again you could be in a spot where when you log back in there’s mobs everywhere there needs to be like disconnect invincibility plus when you log back in your full go and invincible for like 15 seconds unless you attack a mob, not aggro, attack
12:55 That's the RUclipsr you didn't know btw, MadSeason
DC protection will never happen because it will be exploited heavily (pull the plug whenever you are in danger) and it will be too much work for a feature.
Right but who cares if it's exploited honestly? HC is mainly a solo game. I don't care if others cheat their solo game, I want my solo game to be playable.
It's simple. You only appeal discons caused by blizz servers crashing. never client side ISP
Diablo 4 has this item called the Scroll of Escape for hardcore only, where if Blizzard's client can't reach you for even 1 second it will teleport you to town. It requires losing connection so alt-f4ing doesn't work. Why does this game not have that?
poor gordan. that was his 2nd 60 druid
Disconnection happens - -- >Auto-macro that activates after 3 sec after disconnect---->drink selected potion 📌
Was Mitch the tank... LMFAO
Cdew explaining the boss wrong is so funny to me.
yeah - dude has it all wrong
he wasn't explaining it wrong
@@kpacny1you don't need to pop defensive cooldowns of any kind. You just click as the boss comes. If you want a couple of seconds of margin you just stand behind the crystal so the boss needs to walk farther
Ye Im actually suprised how much streamers say wrong stuff about the game, like for someone that kinda does this fulltime its a bit suprising. And isny shield wall 75% dmg reduction? Or was it 65 in vanilla and then became 75 in tbc?
I also think its so wierd why everyone says kick to all cast interupts. Like warriors and shamans saying they kicked it when they either used pummel og shield bash or earth shock. Its just so wierd😅
@@aslak3475ye it's so weird to keep comms easy
Full natty bro had me lolling
those dang stranglethorn pages griefing @1138
TBF...MadSeason was having disconnect issues earlier that day and decided to do the hard quest, pulling elites, to "Risk it for the Biscuit". He even said that it might not be a good idea. He also doesn't have the best internet. I agree better disconnect protection, but how do you separate out the people who will try to take advantage of it?
I dont mind losing characters to bad pulls, being reckless, careless or just stupidity in general but dying because of a server disconnect (which happen wayyyyyy to fucking often) is a real dick punch and something that should not be happening in 2023, like what-the-actual-fuck blizzard?!
Disconnect deaths is the reason I will never give hardcore a chance. SoD is fun at least.
20:00 drove me wild. dg sht
People would take advantage of the disconnects! The more they spoon feed us the more hungry we get.
When you agree to play an online game HC, no matter what game it is, you have accepted your fate regardless of how you die. DC's are just part of that, trying to figure out when it's legit or someone just trying to exploit that to stay alive is impossible. Now... they could add a cheat death type of potion that triggers on a DC but same argument applies. Starts to lean towards the not so HC.
The way we are countering DC deaths in my guild is by limiting solo content past a certain level. Way harder to die from a DC with the buddy system.
Until whole realm crashes like Stitches EU
3:24 i would never have healed hearing that, immediate hearth as a healer screw that
Guy explaining the mechanics and Xar feels the need to pause the video to explain it first just to listen to the video explaining it anyways...
When i came back to pvp in classic i was so damn ready. Engineering items, gear swap macros, you name it. Then after a few weeks I realized everyone was doing the same shit. Odds of coming across a "bad" player who was completely clueless were slim to none on good servers. Even now I have more good duels than quick/easy bad ones.
I think most people have turned on in options "Optimize network for speed" which can cause dc just turn it off and gg.
Yea def need some sort of disconnect protection, I lost a 49 warrior to a disconnect and I actually killed the mob I was fighting but died to a pat respawn
I lost my 54 warrior 3 months ago to a D/C to a lvl 49 mob at 10:50pm on a Tuesday night. I have since started school and got a 2nd job lol
Majority of these lag deaths, seem to be isolated to strictly hardcore servers, people are starting to think one of the addons is causing it.
because when people are experiencing these issues on hardcore, WOTLK Era nor Retail are also. (there ofc are times where they are as well but most of the time it seems to ONLY be hardcore)
chat did not disappoint
8:50 that mage from Morrowind lol
randomly in my recommended. im not mad
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Okay. Here is something that confuses me regarding petrification flasks: If they last 1 minute, why don't people leave the group, wait until the timer starts and then pop the flask? That way, you will be ported out before it wears off. I don't understand why people wait until the last second to use it, and don't leave the group before they do, to start the auto teleport timer. Seems... really simple, but too hard for people who buy petri flasks?
Lotta reasons, sometimes they panic, sometimes they don't have time to wait for their timer and have to use the flask or they're dead. Anyone thinking rationally will wait for the timer but it's pretty hard to think rationally when the character you've spent over 200 hours on is about to die and every second counts. If you've ever had a level 60 character in a dire situation like that and you didn't panic, then you're a rare breed and we could use you as a healer on the server I play on (non Blizzard) :P
Majority of people who buy petris dont even know how they really work.
They won't do appeal.
It means, they need to hire people to actually read appeals etc.
"You think you do, and you dit...but we cba nonetheless "
No game with a hardcore mode in history ever did "appeals". That's some casual crap WoW babies invented on their unofficial "hardcore" servers
@@PLB-gp2hd other games, also got server issues resulting in thousands of death's?
@@marcelbruin9151 So what, it's just the nature of a hardcore online game. People who think that fighting scripted bots is "hardcore" to begin with deserve to die.
The mage falling out of the sky reminds me of morrowind 😂
My first go died to DC at level 12. Glad it happened early.
16:55 oh god why im dead x''''''D
if you disconnect in a cave or something, I would use the unstuck service before logging in
It's impressive how it's 2023 and there are so many clickers yet
13:45 wow....ascension has disconnect protection. If you d/c you fade out in like 5 seconds which will save you a bunch.
Unless you play felforged with the green slime debuff on and d/c right as it starts.
It's basically a game of starting at 20 and trying to level up to 60 and earning dust based on what level you died at. Hitting 60 lets you turn in quest that make you weaker while leveling.
One such quest is to play the game with a slime pool spawning at your feet every 5 minutes which causes massive damage (you basically die in about 3-4 seconds, its like standing in raid fire)
It took me 3 months exactly to hit 60 on my hc warrior with how much time I have to play each week. Losing months of progress to a DC is so shitty. a dc protection that can't be abused would be nice. No idea how they would make that happen
Honestly, I wouldn't even mind a DC protection that is abusable. I mean, who does that really impact? Unless someone intends to raid in HC (and barely anyone does), others getting an advantage doesn't affect them in any way whatsoever. What it will do, though, is make the majority of players not quit the game on their 3rd DC death caused by Blizz. And it will make people like me not feel like I'm simply waiting to die to a DC.
I was hyped for Hardcore (never played it though) but once I've read the line "This includes disconnections, lag, server outages, gameplay bugs, or any other reason." I knew that I would not play it at all.
POV: 8:51 playing Morrowind for the first time be like.
I agree there should be some sort of protection against disconnects. Its the sole reason why i wont do hardcore. Sure people might abuse it, but most people are already abusing Petrification pots to get out of death situations, so might as well add something for dcs.
Like what? As soon as you go low health just tap the button on your computer to disconnect the internet and viola you DC and get to live? It's so hard to find out if a DC is legitimate or not
People be like "hardcore just isn't for you". Yeah no kidding It's boring replaying starting zones and leveling lmao
hardcore isn't for you
leveling is the whole hc experience for 99% of the players .. raiding in hc is just nuts
Tbf these HC players are getting multiple 60s in the time it takes me to level a regular softcore 60 in era and they have limited dungeon lockouts.
Replaying starting zones? Leveling? It’s no death? You’re taking your 1000+ hr account into 1 misclick content. Get good . ( I don’t play wow )
Didn't know Dallas Soup played WOW
Since petri+altF4 works theres really no reason not to have disconnect protect something like how path of exile does it.
Edit: PoE does soon as you disconnect your character auto teleports to town
How to you prevent it being a abused, and people just unplugging router when in trouble. That’s the main issue
This is way too easy to abuse. That's why hardcore is hard to design. If you have DC protection any decent player will abuse it. Petri+alt+f4 is just another lame way. People really wanna play hc but still using "clever use of game mechanics" as soon as they have chance. That will 100% happen with dc protection. Remove petris and keep the 30 sec dc timer they have right now.
It's not hard to prevent abuse. Make it use up a resource that cost a scaling amount based on your level. If you disconnect it ports you out and consumes the item.
@@parkerfrode5101 Make the teleport only work if the character's hearthstone is available to be used, and in case of shamans, their ancestral recall too, or have it on its own cooldown, like 1h, 6h or 12h. This way there is a cooldown associated with the feature, so you can't do it all the time. Doesn't completely address the flaw, but better than nothing. If your connection is choppy for real, you're spooked into not playing until the cd is available again.
@@parkerfrode5101 they can already do that with altF4+petri.. so why punish people who get disconnected?
wow that petri warrior pissed me off
they could make the spirit healer trigger a res they can post at Blizz HQ when these mass die offs happen due to DCs...
I don't play enough to even want to attempt Hardcore. SoD is perfect for me because it's just casual enough for me to have an enjoyable WoW experience that's not retail while also adding new elements like the runes, new raids, pvp events, crafted gear, etc. Watching some of these just hurt my soul a bit 😅☠️