Kansas mom's attorney: Custody fight 'contentious from beginning' | Cuomo
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- Опубликовано: 21 сен 2024
- The Office of the Oklahoma Chief Medical Examiner has identified two bodies found in Texas County as Veronica Butler, 27, and Jilian Kelley, 39, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation said Tuesday. Authorities have said the disappearance is believed to be linked to a violent escalation in a custody dispute between Butler and her children's paternal grandmother, Tifany Adams. Garrett Oates, Butler's attorney, joins NewsNation's Chris Cuomo to discuss the case.
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My heart goes out to 16yr. Young lady who turned this whole thing around. What a brave and courageous girl. May she find happiness and peace.
she snitched on her parents, her life will probably be horrible 😂
Sometimes its hard to do the right thing, but in this case it was dangerous too. I wish her everything good in life. I hope she has a good daddy because shes really going to need support. They'll call her as a witness in the trial.
Weak @@thatsjustjarrell
@@ecbrent2 I'm curious about the parents of the girl. She has the same last name as her mom's husband.
@@BeingConformed I've heard them call Cole her step dad. He had a son that died in 2020 and he has another son and daughter but I dont believe the 15 year old is his.
Grandma didnt love the kids, she only wanted to control them...i pray she never sees them again.
AMEN 2 THAT!
Isn’t that the way it is with most people fighting over the kids?! They hate the spouse more than they love the children. 🤦🏻♀️💔🥹
That won't be a problem.
The kids were just property to the Grandmother so she could have control.
She thought she was protecting them.
Poor children. Poor moms! Poor families!
i feel bad she used this lawyer who set up that meeting
Wow. I had not heard that the grandmother threatened her own son. With a mom like that, no wonder he's an addict.
Yeah, I would probably be an addict with that kind of scene looming over my head.
She's 😈
Praise God that Veronica can say she stands for just how dedicated most mothers are rather than Tiffany Adam’s is absolutely not Mother material. Justice for Veronica, and Jillian. 😊😊😊😊😊😊❤❤❤❤
Jilian Kelly had (4) children. Veroncia Butler had (2) children. RIP
Veronica is also engaged too
@@thehammer810able poor guy’s probably inconsolable. 💔
@@thehammer810able Yes! Veronica was engaged, just being a good mom, trying to get her two babies back… & Jillian was married (for years) to a pastor she had four children with. It’s heartbreaking! 💔 Such a terrible, senseless tragedy! Lives were taken, & many others torn apart by the loss of loved ones (in the worst way). I hope the children and families are getting all the support & love they need. 🌼
Plus the 16 yr old who turned on her mom and her brother are victims of these crazy people.
I heard Jillian was engaged as well. But then again I also heard she was an attorney...
There are 5 kids without parents now. Pray for them.
More than that. Veronica’s two, Jilian’s 4 and don’t forget the 2 of Cora the criminal.
Six, if you include the 16 year old who tipped off the police. A huge tragedy all round.
@@jeanrichardson2044 I pray for her the most
Jilian has 4 children & Veronica had 2 = 6
@@gypsyscometotown Cora Twombly had 2.
No one is talking about POOR JILLIAN AND HER FAMILY!!
Maybe they’re just in the middle of it right now? I mean four kids. My god. I can’t imagine what they’re all feeling right now tbh. Losing their mom, wife, daughter this way, you know? 😔💔. So senseless & undeserved.
@@DeeLite220😂 still ain't talking about julian.. dang.
I've heard quite a bit about her. It's extremely sad that she was collateral damage and I feel terrible for her and her family, but if not for Veronica being the target, Jillian would be alive and well. The whole thing is just devastating.
Sorry, what tf do you want? A news crew moving into her house? Street marches? Her kids being followed? What more do you want, plenty of people are talking about her, are you crazy?
Exactly!!!!!
Is it possible grandma was receiving some kind of financial benefits for having custody of the children?
That's my question too!
If so, it would be child support and with her son in jail/rehab and the ex disappeared… that was $0
No. The kids were SA by Veronica's brother.
The Judge involved stated on TV that he is a friend of one of them. That is probably why the weird custody situation. He needs to be investigated.
I noticed that, as well. He was friends with the g-ma's BF.
And I agree with you. It probably did factor into the situation, especially in a town of 250.
Shameful.
Two different states mom from Kansas grandmother from Oklahoma
@@ShalomUSA Municipal Court judge probably would not rule in a custody case.
He resigned.
All of rural western Oklahoma and Kansas should be investigated.
No one is speaking about Jillian Kelly- was she with this young mother to help her out and do her a favor by being an approved supervisor? I feel Terrible for HER (Jillian) and her husband and children!
Yes
This can happen anytime they exchange the kids any where in America
It’s just a question of when and the effects of drugs and anger 😢😢😢
This reminds me Angela Wagner in the Ohio massacre where The Wagner family conspired and killed 7 people in cold blood over a possible custody threat.
And not a single mention of the other murder victim, Ms. Kelley.
Grandmother is a narcissist
It's such a sad situation 😢. Prayers for those children 🙏 😢
How in anyone’s mind would this make sense. Rest in peace beautiful ladies. Prayers for the innocent children left without a mother 🙏
This is only the second time I have seen a story title stating the custody problems. That's the reason for the murder yet no one is talking about it
SICKENING
I don't know what her religion is but in my religion we have a commandment that says Thou shall not kill.Prayers for BOTH MOM'S families ❤🙏.This breaks our hearts.
Now the children have no mother or grandmother.
Grma wont b missed.better off away frm her..
Lawyer-ease.... Guy talked for 6+ minutes and said absolutely nothing.
Tragic situation.
he worthless bro i agree with you
What do you want him to say? He can’t give you details about the case. That’s still covered by privilege. What has he shared: 1. His client was very nice. 2. She was diligent and came with 4 folders of stuff for him to use. 3. She was in constant communication with him because it was such an acrimonious case. 4. There was about to be a hearing. 5. He was trying to help her and felt she had a strong case.
He’s obviously upset that his client has been murdered.
@@momof1576I got all that out of it too. Apparently some people weren't actually listening to him.
Exactly
@@momof1576 Client -attorney privilege doesn't extend past death. He now has no client.
How could the family court have placed these children with this evil grandmother??? Did they not do their research??? I continue to lose faith in our family court system. Children are simply pawns😢. Now this young mother and her friend are dead and 7 children have no mothers 💔
Justice for these moms 🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️🙏🏻❤️
Just shows how easily the court system can be manipulated with money. The court system put this woman in this situation plain and simple.
Thank you Chris for keeping it real and maintaining a professional demeanor following the whole CNN debacle. I used to follow you every night on CNN and though I was sorry to see you go, it looks like you've found another perfect spot to be a voice for the people. Thanks for all you do.
Same here. CNN hasn't been the same since new ownership in 2018.
Why did mom lose custody and had to have court appointed oversight during visitation?
She must have been a screw up too.
I googled it but cant find it. How did Veronica lose custody in the first place?
Family court is horrible! They violate all your rights. Family court is a circus. The one who wins has the best lawyer. You can make up whatever you want. The decision is based off who the judge likes.
💯 exactly. The only people who benefit are lawyers. And they'll keep the battles going forever.
So many lives ruined. Kids left with no parents.
Kudos to the 16 yo who spoke up, you are very brave. I hope she is kept safe, this group seems shady af if she are willing to kill for sh*t like this…
Sovereign Citizens are trouble. My landlady’s friend is into it, trying to recruit her,and my landlady has no clue what they are. They believe they don’t have to follow US laws.
Thank you! Excellent coverage 👍
The lawyer seems to be speaking very carefully and doesn't have much to say, negatively, about the grandma. Heard on the news that some people were afraid to speak much about the suspects and that some of the suspects had influence in the area.
My question is why did Veronica lose custody in the first place?
Your question will be answered in due time. Take a break.
It was reported that Veronica’s family member may have sa’d them. Not sure if true or not. Many times that is an accusation used against the other parent for control.
There is some serious evil at work here. Im a Mimi myself and i absolutely adore my grandchildren. I would definitely die for them but i wouldnt kill anyone for them...short of a dire situation of self defense of course. I just cant wrap my mind around taking away their mother...the most important person in a young childs life.
As a grandmother myself ladies rip prayers for those babies
Social workers frown against murder. How does one think that's the answer to get the kids?
blame the attorneys.
@@thatsjustjarrell. That’s a ridiculous statement.
@@momof1576 Agreed. As a family law attorney, I can share that we do not control the law. Many times if we share concerns about a client's safety, the judge can't do anything unless the other party has a record of violence. The violent grandmother is to blame.
Ppl keep trying to put the 2 things together like the group had something to do with the murder when it was all over yrs of custody issues
My thoughts exactly. This group sounds super small and insignificant. The press loves to blow things up, and a "cult" is just the ticket for sensationalism.
Exactly right
The attorney chooses not to give details but I’d like to know why this custody battle would’ve been so complicated. Any competent judge would want custody determinations to be done in a timely manner for the sake of the children. Dragging this out for years was inexcusable in my opinion.
Why did mother lose custody to begin with? And to that terrible grandmother. Veronica must have been devastated.
What I heard is the Mom couldn’t find work where they all lived because the grandma sabotaged the mom. The grandma made up false claims against the mom so she had to move to find employment to take care of her kids. And because she wasn’t employed the grandma went to court and got temporary custody of the kids. The mom did very well and was working to get the kids and grandma was not going to let that happen! She wasn’t even going to let her own son have custody! She told him with a gun to his head that he will never get those kids from her.
Why was even the grandma allowed to fight custody? And it wasn’t in representation of her son because he wasn’t allowed to see them neither. I wonder if the judge saw any signals of how obsessed this woman was with the children.
@@Lea941ok, this answer my question, but even more, sounds even more crazy and obsessive that what I believed. There are plenty of parents that move even to another country with kids to start from zero. Leaving them with the crazy grandma wasn’t even needed. But I think she said she had contacts in law enforcement, who knows.
@Lea941 This doesn't add up. Plenty of single moms don't have a job and get government assistance, that''s no reason to remove children. There has to be some other reason or allegations.
Because her ex's mom didn't want her daughter-in-law to raise her grandkids and did everything in her power to keep her from.them. it was basically her ego and the fact that she wasn't gonna let go. She even threatened her son while he was not part of their life, and said her son wasn't coming back to get them.
I saw someone here on RUclips interview a municipal judge there who said the father of the child was a great guy and works for him. Then he was forced to resign. So there is some cronyism going on here possibly
SOUNDS LIKE THIS GROUP
NEEDS TO BE “TARGETED & INVESTIGATED” WIDE
OPEN!!! THERE IS “WAYYY
MORE”TO THIS STORY!!!!
Grandma did not love those children. Otherwise she would not have ruined their entire childhood.
With all of the lose of life and broken lives. Como looks like his going to cry. Because the lawyer won't say anything about the extremists group. Ask real freaking questions. Why did the grandmother have the kids where is the dad. Be a reporter we know you didn't have to do that a cnn. But your at a better network now
The grandmother had the kids as part of visitation rights. This was on going for several years during this custody battle.
Yep now the father is in a treatment center facility to seem not to be involved with the murderers and when he gets out he will go for custody of the children how stupid if the government focused on his crimes and his ability to cause harm and he doesn't know how to be a good father and human Oklahoma government bet not give him custody 😊
Interference with child custody is a crime in every state, yet law enforcement lacks training and awareness until it's too late. The criminal laws have been around for nearly 50 years.
#itsnotacivilmatter
He didn't want to be on Chris Cuomo show
Just be a good mommy you won’t get in this situation there had to be something much more behind this. Jillian had a gun for a reason. They still were shut down and killed. Nobody is safe behind a trigger and nobody is safe in front of a trigger.
it was a contentious custody battle with grandma threatening veronica and the kids father. the gun was there for common sense reasons.
@@bambooprincess3495 Being from Kansas I would say a lot of people do but not everyone. Having a gun does not protect you necessarily. I am not going to blame them. She was up against delusional nut jobs.
1:42 sad sad god bless the children and the moms
Where’s the father?
Not like it was not mentioned a thousand times....
There were resolutions. Have court system ban brother from kids, no contact. That grandma stole this woman's kids. Tax dependents.
What were the grounds for the grandmother seeking custody. Did the victim use drugs, etc? She got supervised visitation, so.....?
Why didn’t the biological parents have custody of these kids? Why did the mother only have supervised visitation?
Maybe I missed it but how did granny get custody of the kids?
FYI:::Tifany Adams is CHAIRMAN of the Cimarron County GOP!!!!....Quite famous!!🤩
Why is no one giving an update on the children’s whereabouts?
Maybe for security reasons
Sad
Take a look at the guy on the left ... Hes smiling in his mug shot.
WHERE ARE THE 2 CHILDREN????? ARE
THEY SAFE????? OR
WITH THE PEDIFILE
“BROTHER” OF THE GRANDMOTHER???
“ARE YHESE 2 KIDS
SAFE”????????
That grandmother didn’t even raise her own child right….what judge gave this grandmother custody of these children in the first place? Anyone else would have been a better person to have a temporary custody….this grandmother should have never been given those children and the court system never should have made this mother have to go battle this grandmother to get her children back. Don’t pay attention to this “group” stuff….this was the grandmother’s doing…this was her plan and she only had these other people help her carry out her plan….the fact they were in this “group” had nothing to do with this….this would have been carried out even if none of these people were in that “group”.
When ppl are in an ongoing conflict they cab tell if the situation is dangerous or not. I'm sure Veronica voiced her concerns for safety and it wasn't taken seriously.
How did we get here in the first place. If how they describe her Is accurate, how did she lose her kids in the first place? Also was there no investigation on whom to place the kids with? Grandmom just didn’t get this way, so that was overlooked?
Where was the father in all of this?
You need to correct the names under the picture that’s not Adams, that’s Twombly
Don't forget the sovereign citizen thing they think they are above the law
Cronyism
Glad that momma was respectful to the attorney - but if she was so diligent, respectful and responsible as a person, why didn't she have the kids in the first place?
Why didn’t mom have custody?
the attorney the one who probably set up the arraignment that got her gone now. we don't care what he says
DCS deals with visits. Not the attorney. Attorneys set up court hearings, not visitation.
Veronica had every right to fight for custody. Her attorney was tasked to request a change in custody - he wouldn't have had any way to predict that grandma would kill her and the court appointed supervisor. How awful to put the blame on a family court attorney doing the job they've been hired to do! What is wrong with you? The people who caused this have been arrested, all 4 of the lunatics. Veronica's lawyer is guilty of absolutely nothing.
I heard Jillian had a gun
Jillian was 1 of around 4 Court ordered supervisors for Veronica's supervised visits. Also DCSF deals with visitations not atties.
You are not very bright.
Wow. You think someone in a custody battle would be monitoring the facebook page of their ex.
Sometimes lawyers with filings and hearings and filings and hearings can really flame up any court case. Just don’t like lawyers.
the 2A conservative club has some crazy ideas on good parenting
Anybody who watched Ozark getting ‘Darlene’ vibes
What about the woman who was the substitute supervisor whose bereaved family endured scurrilous media speculation the 2 women were in a relationship?
Becareful who you have kids with. it's better to get to know the other side of the family
Absolutely! Nowadays a person must be careful who you get involved with and having kids with.
These custody lawyers are expensive....thousands of dollars.......Gran's money supported all of them...
“Tiffany” 🙄
Friends with the judge.
Nope. Might want to google what a MC Judge is....
I missed you Mr. Cuomo
Confused on why 2 moms didn't have custody. Was it one and the other helped the other?
The other lady was there to supervise/witness the exchange. She has her own kid(s) and not a direct part of this custody issue.
😢😢😢😢
I bet grandma shot them and he boy friend was there at the time
They called the other couple to bring trailer to carry off bodies while they moved the vehicle
Just my guess
My fav man (not my man). 🙌
🏴🏴🏴
Gran will insanity plea.....known in area as crazy
Ty chris
Granny probably has a hit on the 16 year old that didn't want things on her conscious.
Stop it!
I'm sure the FBI has her in protective custody. They knew what they were walking into, they monitor cult groups. They showed up in full SWAT so I am confident they're keeping the minor witness safe.
Granny is definitely a nut job!
@@Angel0fTruth You can say that again.
Fathers,?
Veronica just looked like trouble for some reason. And of course she knew they were capable of violence. She was married or dated one of them and had kids and left.