After over 50 years of metallic cartridge reloading I am thinking about getting into shotshell reloading. Although the concepts and basic procedures remain the same, component selection appears to be even more critical insofar as safe selection goes. Being diligent and being safe has been very beneficial in regards to safety and accuracy for all of these years. I don`t want to p*ss into the wind at this point. LOL Thank you sir for taking the time and effort to offer your knowledge and insight into this fabulous hobby. Although this is the first of your videos that I was fortunate enough to find, I`ll definitely look into some of your other videos in hops of having some more of your wisdom and knowledge rub off on me!
You're very welcome! You are 100% right about safety. If you've done well with rifle, I don't think shotgun will be much different for you. Your instinct is right, complacency has no place in a reloading room :) Get a book, measure twice and stay focused :) Don't hesitate if you have questions, I may not have all the answers, but I can help search and do some diggings for you.
The thing many people don't realize, is that the Lyman reloading book you show (and many other books too) has tapered wads being used in straight hulls in many of their recipes. I'm assuming since they probably go from loading to testing they don't care, and perhaps they don't shake them up either, therefore they don't show the difference when the powder moves past the wad. Makes me wonder why they do that, or in this case don't do that.
Yeah I don't know either, I think they are trying to give more options to people but in real life, (maybe just me) but my shells get tossed around, driving offroad, hiking, and when it comes to hunting, I want the best possible solutions. You might have one shot only and performance matters a lot :)
Thanks for the video. I like organization and being neat at the reloading table and using glass to store items looks good but not when you drop them or accidently break them. I switch all of my stuff to plastic containers.
Oh lord, reloading is probably the only area in my life where 😂you will see me organized. Indeed I hold these mason jar like holy grail, I'm on a thick carpet(for sound purpose), and fishing for fallen shots is not fun :)
You won't substitute primers untill you substitute primers because you can't find what you use. Work up the load again. I do it everytime Reloading rifle/pistol ammo. Change a component, start a work up again. Nice video.
Thanks for this info..And to keep powder from migrating up around the gas seal , I put a 1" square of newspaper under the wad , pressing it into the gas seal cup then inserting the oe piece wad..Just an FYI , it works for me.. And I thought your Hull Trimming video was fabulous info!..All the best!
Unfortunately many of us will be forced to do wad substitution due to unavailability of wads. I recently started loading 20 gauge and have found only 1 wad and one powder. I have not found a wad for 1 oz loads with my AA hulls. Longshot is the only 20 gauge powder I have found.
It is a shame, we all have to be creative when there is a shortage of components, I've been wanting some STEEL powder for at least 2 years. Longshot is the only one I can find here, with tightwad.
5:15 The over powder cup will never touch thebase wad. Once you drop the powder into the hull its over powder cup portion of the wad should lightly compress against the powder charge. A little bit of powder migration is not a problem.
I agree, its confusing the way I said it. I meant the powder should be sealed between the wad and the base, but didn't meant to say that the wad and the base needed to contact for a seal.
hahahah oh brother, you sent me down the rabbit hole, I'll come out a wiser man! :) and I thank you for that! Stay tuned! it's a long process, next week-end I'm going to shoot some for patterns & velocities.
@@WildBushGrit buddy I’m stuck on turkey loads I wish we could get that old federal flitecontrol wadding those old wadding’s with 2oz inside of a 3” shell is lights out. Everyone wanted to shoot them in chokes with rings and ports, but the old conventional slick inside chokes shot them the best and let that wadding do it’s job. We need to get someone on the phone and start cranking those out. Think someone has that patten right now.
I'm just getting into reloading and I want to load mild loads of 20 gauge using fiber wads and a shot card. From what I understand fiber wads typically generate lower pressure than plastic wads. So am I wrong in assuming that I could take load data for a plastic wad and replace it with fiber, provided I have the proper stack height? How would a fiber wad load into a tapered shell?
I don't have much experience with fiber wads, but if I were to dev a load, I would start low and see what happens, I know fibers will give you a wider pattern. I would look for a good combination of Speed VS pattern. For tapered hull I guess the fiber would compress a little but not to the point of giving an issue.
Great video. I have been looking for a Steel Shot Wad for 28Ga. Do you know of ANY other Wads that are available and suitable for loading Nontoxic shot? Thanks in advance for your time and help.
Super intéressant. Je m'attendait à une blague pour avril :p. Comment tu fait pour tester les différentes Wad sans acheter un sac de 500 a chaque fois ? Very interesting. I was expecting a joke for April :p. How do you test the different Wads without buying a 500 bag each time?
lol, yeah no I ran out of juice for the 1st of April, maybe next year :) For the wads... I have close to 6000 wads under my desk, accumulated over the years. lots of trial and errors, not practical. Keeping a good variety of hulls will help you come up with cool loads. Sometime manufacturer also display a lot of info to help you make an inform substitution, like BPI here, www.ballisticproducts.com/Sporting-wads-all-gauges/products/635/
@@OutdoorChef16 .410 used to be very popular here, then shortage started. 16g is new to me, I found an old SxS in 16g and I wanted to try it. Mostly for busting clays. :) its harder :)
I don't see a problem in doing substitutions. What you want to do is pick the Lowest pressure load than any substitutions are not gonna cause hardly any problem.
@@WildBushGritA little powder migration has never been a problem. Claybuster now makes a Winchester style green wad that are made for straight wall hulls.😢
After over 50 years of metallic cartridge reloading I am thinking about getting into shotshell reloading. Although the concepts and basic procedures remain the same, component selection appears to be even more critical insofar as safe selection goes. Being diligent and being safe has been very beneficial in regards to safety and accuracy for all of these years. I don`t want to p*ss into the wind at this point. LOL
Thank you sir for taking the time and effort to offer your knowledge and insight into this fabulous hobby.
Although this is the first of your videos that I was fortunate enough to find, I`ll definitely look into some of your other videos in hops of having some more of your wisdom and knowledge rub off on me!
You're very welcome! You are 100% right about safety. If you've done well with rifle, I don't think shotgun will be much different for you. Your instinct is right, complacency has no place in a reloading room :) Get a book, measure twice and stay focused :) Don't hesitate if you have questions, I may not have all the answers, but I can help search and do some diggings for you.
Great breakdown of the differences in components and the effects swaps can have on performance and safety.
The thing many people don't realize, is that the Lyman reloading book you show (and many other books too) has tapered wads being used in straight hulls in many of their recipes. I'm assuming since they probably go from loading to testing they don't care, and perhaps they don't shake them up either, therefore they don't show the difference when the powder moves past the wad. Makes me wonder why they do that, or in this case don't do that.
Yeah I don't know either, I think they are trying to give more options to people but in real life, (maybe just me) but my shells get tossed around, driving offroad, hiking, and when it comes to hunting, I want the best possible solutions. You might have one shot only and performance matters a lot :)
You have really provided great information sir!! Thank you.
Thanks 🙏 let me know if you have any questions ☺️.
Thanks for the video.
I like organization and being neat at the reloading table and using glass to store items looks good but not when you drop them or accidently break them. I switch all of my stuff to plastic containers.
Oh lord, reloading is probably the only area in my life where 😂you will see me organized. Indeed I hold these mason jar like holy grail, I'm on a thick carpet(for sound purpose), and fishing for fallen shots is not fun :)
Good watch. Ty for sharing.
You won't substitute primers untill you substitute primers because you can't find what you use. Work up the load again. I do it everytime Reloading rifle/pistol ammo. Change a component, start a work up again. Nice video.
Thanks for this info..And to keep powder from migrating up around the gas seal , I put a 1" square of newspaper under the wad , pressing it into the gas seal cup then inserting the oe piece wad..Just an FYI , it works for me.. And I thought your Hull Trimming video was fabulous info!..All the best!
Great tip! Thank you for sharing and thanks too for the nice comment! Cheers!
Unfortunately many of us will be forced to do wad substitution due to unavailability of wads. I recently started loading 20 gauge and have found only 1 wad and one powder. I have not found a wad for 1 oz loads with my AA hulls. Longshot is the only 20 gauge powder I have found.
It is a shame, we all have to be creative when there is a shortage of components, I've been wanting some STEEL powder for at least 2 years. Longshot is the only one I can find here, with tightwad.
5:15 The over powder cup will never touch thebase wad. Once you drop the powder into the hull its over powder cup portion of the wad should lightly compress against the powder charge. A little bit of powder migration is not a problem.
I agree, its confusing the way I said it. I meant the powder should be sealed between the wad and the base, but didn't meant to say that the wad and the base needed to contact for a seal.
love these videos, glad to hear your taking my turkey load idea and making a video! Very excited to see the results!
hahahah oh brother, you sent me down the rabbit hole, I'll come out a wiser man! :) and I thank you for that! Stay tuned! it's a long process, next week-end I'm going to shoot some for patterns & velocities.
@@WildBushGrit buddy I’m stuck on turkey loads
I wish we could get that old federal flitecontrol wadding those old wadding’s with 2oz inside of a 3” shell is lights out. Everyone wanted to shoot them in chokes with rings and ports, but the old conventional slick inside chokes shot them the best and let that wadding do it’s job. We need to get someone on the phone and start cranking those out. Think someone has that patten right now.
@@badendings1733 I've seen some ppl trying to diy the same wads, only info i can online is with buckshot, not much on birdshot.
@@WildBushGrit let me know if you do find anything substantial!
Thank you that was very informative and well presented - this new reloader is thankful...
Let me know if you have questions, I'll be happy to help. Read the data twice & measure thrice, Happy Reloading!
@@WildBushGrit awesome - I have got 5 shotshell reloading books coming next week - I am sure I will have questions.
Thank you so much....
Tom Roster states Cheddite primers can be substituted for all primers except 209A.
Good stuff,
Useful info!
amazing breakdown thank you!
Merci de partager ton expérience. "Darwin Award" 😂 je l'aime bien celle la. Ce n'est pas "newfie proof" et faut faire attention. Merci!
I'm just getting into reloading and I want to load mild loads of 20 gauge using fiber wads and a shot card. From what I understand fiber wads typically generate lower pressure than plastic wads. So am I wrong in assuming that I could take load data for a plastic wad and replace it with fiber, provided I have the proper stack height? How would a fiber wad load into a tapered shell?
I don't have much experience with fiber wads, but if I were to dev a load, I would start low and see what happens, I know fibers will give you a wider pattern. I would look for a good combination of Speed VS pattern. For tapered hull I guess the fiber would compress a little but not to the point of giving an issue.
@@WildBushGrit Ok ill try that ,thank you for the reply man! You are a fountain of knowlege!
@@Useralex995 Thank you, I'm happy to help when I can, keep me updated with your dev, I'd like to know :)
Great video. I have been looking for a Steel Shot Wad for 28Ga. Do you know of ANY other Wads that are available and suitable for loading Nontoxic shot? Thanks in advance for your time and help.
Sorry I don't, and 28g is particularly not well serviced by manufacturers.
@@WildBushGrit Maybe we should go into business ourselves and start making out on Products 🤣🤣🤣.
@@outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 anyone catering to 410 and 28g will be swimming in gold soon. 😂
Super intéressant. Je m'attendait à une blague pour avril :p. Comment tu fait pour tester les différentes Wad sans acheter un sac de 500 a chaque fois ?
Very interesting. I was expecting a joke for April :p. How do you test the different Wads without buying a 500 bag each time?
lol, yeah no I ran out of juice for the 1st of April, maybe next year :) For the wads... I have close to 6000 wads under my desk, accumulated over the years. lots of trial and errors, not practical. Keeping a good variety of hulls will help you come up with cool loads. Sometime manufacturer also display a lot of info to help you make an inform substitution, like BPI here, www.ballisticproducts.com/Sporting-wads-all-gauges/products/635/
What shotgun gauges have you used over the years?
I only reload 12g, but use 410 & 16g
@WildBushGrit if you don't mind me asking what guns do you use in 410 and 16?
410 was rem870 and the 16g is a St-Etienne SxS why?
@@WildBushGrit out of curiosity really. I don't hear of many hunters using shotguns that aren't chambered it 10, 12, or 20 gauges
@@OutdoorChef16 .410 used to be very popular here, then shortage started. 16g is new to me, I found an old SxS in 16g and I wanted to try it. Mostly for busting clays. :) its harder :)
I don't see a problem in doing substitutions. What you want to do is pick the Lowest pressure load than any substitutions are not gonna cause hardly any problem.
If you don't consider hull construction, you will likely get powder migration and poor performance.
Yeah you're absolutely correct when I do substitutions I make sure everything does match up
@@WildBushGritA little powder migration has never been a problem.
Claybuster now makes a Winchester style green wad that are made for straight wall hulls.😢
@@jungleno. Of course, a little is not an issue, but if the wad is all loose in the hull, it wont be good. Why the sad face :) ?