I watched both videos and still don’t understand wtf Crowder is talking about. He wants to fight big tech? Ok fine but how? DW has too many ads? Yes i agree but does that make them evil?. Crowder said let’s go to rumble but how will reach normies and libertarians? The left and right already live in an echo chamber. YT algorithm isn’t good at all but there is a possibility that right wing media reaches liberals,libertarians etc. Has Crowder presented any solutions? I mean the Tim Pool interview was SO boring maybe i missed it but what good solutions does Crowder have? And why did he attack DW and end a ling friendship
Says that like "Buh Trump" isn't insanely rampant in any leftist mindset even when criticizing their own. I mean just look at the Biden docs fiasco lol. Y'all are so dense it hurts.
@@ericpmoss Crowder's admitted behind closed doors that he doesn't actually believe any of the stuff he spews on a daily basis. He does it entirely for money, views and likes.
It all comes down to the money. Everyone but maybe joe rogan and patrick bet david is only in it for the big money, grow grow grow....joe rogan was doing it forever for fun and got big, and PBD was already filthy rich and did it for fun and actually wants to help people.
Daily Wire also offered Crowder a *_four day workweek_* incentive, something that every single one of their hosts has derided countlessly as "socialist" and "lazy."
That is amusingly misinformed. The requirements to produce a 4 day a week show, 1 monthly show, 1 quarterly show, and a feature-length production annually is an insane workload. Do you honestly think producing a show that comes out 4 days a week means he doesn't work the other days? Crowder runs a production house. He isn't talent that just shows up for filming.
@@Aaron-kj8dv It doesn’t have to be a lie lol. He might have initially done it as a Halloween goof, but ended up liking the way it looked so he kept it
When you watch him on Tim Pool and he's asked if his agent sent them a counter offer, he cleverly side steps the questions and redirects the topic. The guy is full of shit, I'm not pro daily wire but they have been way more transparent than he has.
he did say there was a counteroffer during it though. he just doesn't want to state anything definitive cause, like he said, he's not the finance guy. he doesn't know exactly what to say, especially with the back and forth happening, have to be careful or you can get sued (like candance should be. the crazy bint going full slander lol.) but he did say that his agent counter-offered, and they refused to remove the "important parts" that he didn't like. multiple times in fact.
It’s amazing a guy who is known to not pay employees for months after getting RUclips bans now expects his employer to pay him regardless of the money coming in…..
Steven Crowder: I'm not gonna get personal Steven Crowder Five Seconds Later: Candace talked about me like a girl who gets her husband in a bar-fight! 🤣🤣🤣
Where is the joke🤨 She just said he did a bitch move. Crowder comes off as a moron and jerk. I do believe he is a grifter. In the TP interview he literally says he wanted 100Mil because he wants to retire young
Crowder: I'm not saying it's badge of honor to get banned Also Crowder: I'm such a rebel for getting banned, that's why you guys love to listen to my rants
If advertisers didn't know DW was doing this, they're not doing their job. Pragers views were all inflated too.. And he's right, the post board does show the truth.
Even for someone with his media career, Crowder’s delusions of grandeur are insane. “I don’t like this contract so the future of our nation is at stake.”
I very seriously doubt that's what he genuinely believes. He's not misrepresenting the stakes because he's delusional; he's framing it like that as an act of willful deception. It's about improving the optics of his side of this conflict. Because obviously, crusading against contract/worker exploitation out of principle for everyone is a much better look than the purely self serving reality of the situation which is _"ME AM WANT ALL MONIES! WHY AM YOU NO GIVE ME EVERY MONEY?! UNFAIR!"_ He wants people to be on his side, by framing his greedy entitled pursuit into being something much more noble. The guy is a slimy fucking diseased snake of the lowest order, through and through.
@@ultimatebailer The ones who know the stuff they are saying is dumb but say it anyways to make money. Hard to know who they are. Shapiro and Peterson seem like that. Both have their moments where you see they are intellectually curious and capable of understanding nuance and stuff. Then they get back to hysterically whining about wokeness.
It's great to see people like Crowder destroying themselves with their own greed. He wanted 130m from daily wire and they recognised from that , that he wasn't a serious negotiator.
I don't know, maybe he needed a 33 million dollar a year operating budget for his show. Those dresses he loved to wear and the black face make up for the HILARIOUS sketches must be very expensive.
It's always hilarious to see people talk with such conviction while simultaneously declaring that they have literally no idea what they're talking about. Your level of understanding of this story doesn't even qualify for kindergarten lol.
their own greed? he refused MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to stick in what he believes. "he wanted 130 mln" source? really? you public shame someone for giving you "only" 50 miliions? leftists project their dumbness on others
Do you honestly think Dailywire has 50 million dollars of free cashflow? lol. That contract is written by the legal team from the 3rd party financier, and that's who Crowder was actually negotiating with - the people funding Dailywire. 4 strikes would have equaled 0 dollars out of that 50. Crodwer being stuck in a 4 year contract, FORCED to pay for his own production, with zero money left from the 50 million. Only an idiot would have accept that contract. They could have offered him 500 million, and Crowder would have ended up paying out of pocket for his own employees, and production, to produce content for Dailywire, while they take ALL the monetization. Anyone who knows a contract lawyer, went through that and quickly realized that contract, wasn't just unfair, it was legit a scam.
Well not just that but the cost of producing all of his content. I don’t like crowder either but the 50 mil isn’t just for him, it isn’t even just for 50 people. It’s for producing his content, paying his employees and himself
@@trickstergod9179 there have two companies that have done such a move ECW and CYN, the latter being the answer to What if Redditors on the pro wrestling section formed a promotion. They both failed…spectacularly. So to answer your question, No
I normally don't care for the "crazy person says crazy thing" videos and online drama videos- admittedly, I skip a lot of them. But watching the right break down into civil war for once is a delightful change of pace. Let them fight!
Yeah, look at those idiots over there! They are so dumb that they could never accomplish anything like overturning Roe or blocking Biden's public option for healthcare.
It is honestly just so funny how liberal Steven Crowder sounds. Calling out a big business for using their money to artificially boost their brand, and calling out a big company for using their money and power to essentially give workers no choice but to sign contracts that are unfair to the workers.
Steven was getting paid $50M over 4 years, but that also was supposed to cover all production costs of his show. He mentioned that he has twenty something employees as well, which would all be paid out of that $50M in addition to his other production costs. I'm not saying it isn't a lot of money because it is definitely a lot of money. But the daily wire was saying it is basketball player money, and that's not necessarily true. It isn't like he was offered Rogan money. Again, I don't feel like the amount of money he was offered was low, but it wasn't just $50M going straight into Steven's pocket.
Everybody pays money lol wtf are you talking about. Sportspeople have to pay their agents, managers, assistants, entourage, etc. Rogan was literally double Crowder so not sure what your point is exactly
$620,000 a year per employee assuming no other costs. Also how does a show like that require 20 people to run??? Shouldn’t it be like 5? Not sure Crowder is at all a source you can trust anyways
@@irish5884 500k a year? So his costs to run a show a $12million a year? Isn’t it basically like breaking points level production? And they do it all with less than 10 people over there
Well yeah the way he always uses "verifiable". It's all for stuff the average viewer can't actually verify but it sounds true. Like someone *could* verify it if they wanted to.
@@Aaron-kj8dv which is why when you debate his groupies they always say "he verifies everything". Then you ask them for that verification and they disappear or present you with something that is absolutely not verification of anything except where they go for propaganda.
The bar-fight analogy was 100% accurate. I don't care what anyone says. The DW didn't hire Candace to be a classy conservative lady. They hired her to be a feisty Black Woman that conveys right-wing talking points. Her language was uncouth but it shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
Nah she was fine and i think right. For the most part. I don’t fully agree with DW but i think Crowder is over his head. Candace Interview was way more entertaining. The Crowder one was SO boring
@@RadiantStar8997 she literally is the black Tomi Lauren. It doesn’t surprise that those two don’t get along. There is a really perverse culture on the right that brings in these young women to serve as eye candy political commentators, and then once they age out, dump them and find a new fresh face. Owens is just the first diverse iteration of this phenomenon. There’ll be a trans one in no time I’m assuming
I'm on crowders side he is right. I at first thought it might be the other way, but not now. It's not about money 50 mil is a lot, but if you are forced to stay in a box and not color outside of the lines it is not worth it.
I think DW will come out of this looking the better. Crowder is being unreasonable. If he wants to go independent, do so. There is plenty of issues running on ad revenue. But ya ain't. Ain't making 50 million in 4 years on subscriptions only.
@@womendontneedmen5071 The whole thing is over how predatory the contract is, and that he feels personally offended that the same people who called him a friend, would then send him the same terms that they send actual nobodies. Crowder has a whole team of people to pay. Soon to be over 30 people. His brand already makes more money than the offer based on just his publicly stated info. DW offer was to pay him less, force him to play by big tech's speech rules (which DW claims to be against), make Crowder pay for his production, and DW did not want to negotiate the non-starter terms of the offer. Crowder gave them time to make a better offer, they didn't, and now he's flaming them publicly for it. Biggest mistakes I see people chiming in on this make is how they get really hung up on the money, and read too much into the terms. It's legal speak; you take them at face value. You can't add nuance and personal interpretation, because that is not written on it. If it says X, it just means X. It's doesn't mean X with a side of Y. Personally, I think it's funny to watch. DW's damage control has been to basically pour water on a grease fire, thinking it'll put it out. All the while, Crowder has been the ultimate grifter. The amount of chaos that has been caused has touched nearly every corner of the internet. Lol
@Ragged Flaggon Then the deal makes zero sense if he is pulling in that much. Why would he even bother with any network if he makes 42 mil a year just on mug club? His numbers are off there.
One thing Crowder and Pool brought up a couple times was that RUclips isn't the end all be all and that Crowder had way more subscribers on Rumble. But the question in my head consistently was, does Rumble payment in any way compare to RUclips? Like the advertiser base has to be smaller.
@@womendontneedmen5071 He might believe that, but he's still gotta pay his production team and pay for rent and food just like everyone else. I'm sure he's not living somewhere cheap.
@@ariel-y-e-m sure but dude be real. Since when do 20 employees cost millions of bucks? And in the video Crowder literally says he wanted more money because he wants to retire young. It’s after 01:something. After an hour or so is when he said that in case you want to rewatch it. It seems like it’s all about the money. Now left and right are eating each other and the globalists are laughing and rubbing their hands :(
@@womendontneedmen5071 He claimed during the video that production for each of his Change My Mind videos is either tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. So that could be eating some of the cost as well. He could just let Daily Wire handle the production, but he insists on doing that himself. But yeah, I mean I don't personally buy it, but I'm not in the guy's head. I personally think it was more about control over his content in combination with just feeling disrespected. Part of that definitely had to do with money, but I do think it was more complicated than just money. Idk, who knows.
FYI for anyone who cares about the nuances of this. If my "source" was correct, the 50 million wasn't just to pay Crowder. It was to cover production costs of the entire show, and salaries of his employees for the entirety of the contract. And DW knew his channel was previously demonitized. Knowing that- the "fee reductions" do seem to be a way bigger problem. As I believe his show is probably worth more than 12.5m a year, even if I'm not a fan.
Which Jeremy addressed all of in his video. Including Crowder already being de-monetized. Nobody is in the dark or confused by this. Crowder INSISTS on doing his own productions with his own crew. Crowders costs for that production is a very small amount out of that 50. For one thing. Another thing was that 50 million was a starting point for negotiations based on Crowders agent stating it as a minimum. What you guys seem to be missing is that Crowder not agreeing with the contract isn't the problem. That happens all the time. What Crowder did that was, let's say "extra", was then decide to purchase a website called "Big Con" and record a staged conversation with his "friend" and then launch a public attack on many of his "friends", in order to damage their image and boost his own.
Kyle and other similar RUclipsrs are complaining about lost hits on RUclips but then they're sending people over to Spotify and other platforms. Confusing
Your statement about Steven's counter offer is missing context. He stated on Timcast that they would need to remove the penalties tied to big tech before he would do further negations, then DW stated they are a part of their business model. There was mention of a higher fee, but the main issue was the penalties. Just because they started talking about items in the contract and a higher fee was mentioned doesn't mean there was an actual counter offer made and sent over.
His point was that the reason we don't know if there was a counter offer made is because Crowder answered the question by not confirming or denying whether he did make a counter offer. He literally sidestepped a direct question with BS everyone already knows and that's almost always a sign of dishonesty. If didn't provide a counter then the way to answer would be "we did not give a counter. We told them there were other issues that needed resolved before we could". That's not what he said though, he doesn't answer at all.
And at 2:02:33 Crowder says his agent told them "If you want 100% of everything, this is the number it's higher, but these are the non-starters. We were very clear these are the non-starters. There was never anything suggested that got rid of the non-starters."
Ben Shapiro actually did have Kari lake on his show. Sounds like crowded was claiming he wouldn’t and as far as the RUclips strikes go that actually helps him make money too.
I'm just happy to see Crowder turning closer and closer to being economically populist. If it were my way, workers should own the means of production at big and medium sized companies.
I honestly can't even process what Crowder is trying to say. He is talking a million miles a second and bounces around all over the place. Like at 15:56 when Tim asks him a simple question "are you saying the DW buys views" and listen how he answers that simple question.
Especially since he is right on this. But you guys are good with the status quo and will march lock step with the powers that be on that side . Its the difference between Dore and coc-- I mean vape smoker here .
@@natemendsen1629 eh? All conservatives and fascists kneel to power. They love being slaves from their indoctrination.. Doesn't matter if it's new or old guard.
Crowder is so transparently FOS it's unreal. Hes on par with a Hallmark channel actor. He planned the whole thing out. It's amazing to see how many supporters of his are falling for this crap.
Proper pronunciation of Ghislaine is: GEE-lane. My credentials: Haitian, lived in Montreal for a year, and I want to say this monster’s name correctly.
"With covid it's true that the CDC would say something and months later new evidence would come out to disprove it" Yes, that's kind of what happens when you deal with a disease you've never seen before. You give the best guidelines you can with what you know, and you update those guidelines as you learn more. Kyles entire take on covid has gotten more and more unhinged and idiotic as the months go by.
You have to keep in mind that the only stats conspiracy theorists and contrarians care about are ones that prove their agenda and times they were right. So while they'll take a contrarian response to every single thing the "authority" on the matter will say or claim, they only count the very small percentage of the time they guessed right. And they only arrive at that guess by consistently taking a differing view. Batting average be damned.
No cursing?? Do people realize this is 2023 & not 1953?? How ridiculous. Oooh! I heard a bad word, Oh My!!! People r starving in the world, battling cancer, at war……could the language police treat people anymore entitled??? Absurd.
What “homophobia and racism”? The left: “when you are not intelligent enough to provide constructive criticism, revert to declaring bigotry so you don’t have to think”
On the call Crowder has with Boring Crowder talked about Boring saying “you would own the rights in perpetuity even after the contract ends” and Boring says “for the productions we pay for yeah” it was hilarious
Yes, when Steven Crowder loses money, dailyWire loses money too. Yes, they tried to split the loss. Steven Crowder is misrepresenting the issue. Steven Crowder wants to open a media company and this is just a way to advertize it.
He does have a point about them juicing the numbers. I have seen it with Prager videos. A Prager ad will play as an ad but it is 4 minutes long because it is the whole video. It doesn’t surprise me that they then count the 6-15 seconds, hell sometime 30 seconds if I am away from the phone. Then they count it as me “viewing” the video.
I like Steven Crowder. He's the watchdog of the Right that creates diversity in our political space. Disagree with him on many things, but a principled man, he definitely is. He could have signed away and take the paycheck. But he chose to fight and start burning bridges in the name of the conservative movement. He makes me re-evaluate Tim Pool to a certain degree since Tim Pool decided to quietly walk away. Whereas Crowder is trailblazing.
Oh well, would have been nice to have that "public square" of "public utilities" - Looks like the party in power forgot all about it... now that they are in power.
I believe what Steven Crowder was talking about was Digital Impressions counted when using ads/social media. An impression does not need the viewer to watch the full length of the video ad or even click an link based ad. There are different standards for counting impressions, but something like 4-5 seconds is usually good enough for a video ad, and for SNS it's something like the ad was viewable for over two seconds? If ads count as views for the daily wire then it completely makes sense that they would have huge numbers if they run a bunch of them.
My favorite part is Steven going into Tim Pool’s show to talk about this problem being in the midst of conservative media for a while ‘the big con’ but accuses the Daily Wire of using leftist tactics.
Kyle! Your title hints you’re taking the right libertarian side instead of right authoritarian side on this Crowder issue! If so, good on you. All other leftists have taken the right authoritarian side on this one (e.g. Lance of Serfs, etc.). It’s been bad.
lol no one should be taking any of these sides, that’s the whole point. If Steven crowder believes in laissez fair capitalism, then what right does he have to complain about a document that he isn’t contractually obligated to sign?? This is Steven crowder self promoting his own brand in spite of the daily wire. This is just a self serving virtue signaling ploy to get more mug clubs subscription because crowder left the blaze and needs to carve out his own space. Case in point, he’s still on RUclips, if he was principled, why is his show still using big tech. I’m not even going to defend the daily wire, they can burn for all I care, but I love this right on right in fighting. Thinking that one is better than the other is laughable though.
@@erikvan9582 The difference between authoritarianism and libertarianism is the difference between a state and its monopoly on violence and a community or township that is no longer threatened by it, respectively. Both reflect vastly different economies, legal frameworks, and public choices. A libertarian and authoritarian can see eye to eye on cultural doctrine (nuclear family archetype, cis-heteronormativity, patriarch structure, etc.), but that isn't indicative of an inherent similarity between political ideologies, as an individual on the left of the political spectrum or even a centrist could agree on that same doctrine.
@@lauromartinez8948 crowder the guy that cross dresses and sucks dick ironicly. Is there anything I can do that's bad weather it's done ironicly or unironlicly
@@lauromartinez8948 left and right are eating each other,now what? Is this good or not? Better don’t look at public figures for help. It’s all about the money
Crowder,Peterson,it's harder for lunatics to rise up to power in Canada so they all cross the border to sell their shit in US,that is the real migrant crisis
Steven Crowder's admissions seem like a smoking gun for the new RUclips demonetization claims by David pakman, and also show a inconsistency between how RUclips reps deal with right-leaning versus left-leaning, seemingly giving more preference to the right
Fr he definitely won’t straw man every authentically good point raised by crowder and just make the same lazy point he always makes…muh right winger bad muh left winger good
Kyle only wishes he coild be in a dispute over a $50 million contract. When Crowder went on Timcast IRL, there was over 160k people streaming it. And I see only 2.3k people streaming Kyle's hot take here. So pathetic, Kyle.
Honestly, this sucks. It's like finding out that two brothers hate each other. I would listen to Crowder and Shapiro. It really felt like a genuine friendship. And now it's over. It's sad.
I like how Crowder takes sideswipes at the left even when he's ranting about right-wingers. The culture war con job just keeps on rolling.
I watched both videos and still don’t understand wtf Crowder is talking about. He wants to fight big tech? Ok fine but how? DW has too many ads? Yes i agree but does that make them evil?. Crowder said let’s go to rumble but how will reach normies and libertarians? The left and right already live in an echo chamber. YT algorithm isn’t good at all but there is a possibility that right wing media reaches liberals,libertarians etc. Has Crowder presented any solutions? I mean the Tim Pool interview was SO boring maybe i missed it but what good solutions does Crowder have? And why did he attack DW and end a ling friendship
That's why he's getting offered the big bucks.
@@womendontneedmen5071 you gotta watch the video before commenting
@@ItsAllCulturalMarxism my god are you not capable of reading🤦♀️ i literally wrote i watched the boring video.
Says that like "Buh Trump" isn't insanely rampant in any leftist mindset even when criticizing their own.
I mean just look at the Biden docs fiasco lol. Y'all are so dense it hurts.
“Wage slaves”? “Exploitative”? Sounds like Steven Crowder could’ve used a union.
Yeah, it sounds like he knows the whole anti-left schtick is just that.
Looks like he might like socialism after all.
@@thedissidentleftist6997 who is we?
@@ericpmoss Crowder's admitted behind closed doors that he doesn't actually believe any of the stuff he spews on a daily basis. He does it entirely for money, views and likes.
@@jgmediting7770 Late is better than never.
I like how Crowder refers to conservative media as "the Big Con". What a fitting name.
It’s almost like that’s the joke
It all comes down to the money. Everyone but maybe joe rogan and patrick bet david is only in it for the big money, grow grow grow....joe rogan was doing it forever for fun and got big, and PBD was already filthy rich and did it for fun and actually wants to help people.
Conservatism is the ruling elites longest policy to keep their conspiracy going on, so it makes sense
@@lakersfansince1991 it's not coming from him though. He's literally big con trying to masquerade as some noble virtuous conservative. It's a joke
As opposed to liberal media as well? Why do you guys pick and choose arguments when it fits your narrative
Daily Wire also offered Crowder a *_four day workweek_* incentive, something that every single one of their hosts has derided countlessly as "socialist" and "lazy."
Government mandated 4 day workweeks aren’t the same as a private company and an employee agreeing to a work schedule.
That is amusingly misinformed. The requirements to produce a 4 day a week show, 1 monthly show, 1 quarterly show, and a feature-length production annually is an insane workload.
Do you honestly think producing a show that comes out 4 days a week means he doesn't work the other days? Crowder runs a production house. He isn't talent that just shows up for filming.
@@irish5884 Give me 50 M and I'll make you 10 shows a week.
@lakersfansince1991 cool story lady
@@irish5884 people do more by themselves. He has an entire team to research for him and suggest content and write the show.
I love how Kyle bleached his hair as a "gag" to play Zac Morris for Halloween and now it's January
Hahahaha I knew when he bleached it it was forever. It's so silly, it would've been better to bleach it and never acknowledge it than to lie.
What's funny is he sees it every morning in the mirror but still decides to dye it again.
🤣🤣🤣
I love how it's January, but people are still commenting on his hair change from back before Halloween!
@@serpico1616 that was the point of the comment,
what was temporary now seems permanent, time has to pass for that observation to take place.
@@Aaron-kj8dv It doesn’t have to be a lie lol. He might have initially done it as a Halloween goof, but ended up liking the way it looked so he kept it
When you watch him on Tim Pool and he's asked if his agent sent them a counter offer, he cleverly side steps the questions and redirects the topic. The guy is full of shit, I'm not pro daily wire but they have been way more transparent than he has.
he did say there was a counteroffer during it though. he just doesn't want to state anything definitive cause, like he said, he's not the finance guy. he doesn't know exactly what to say, especially with the back and forth happening, have to be careful or you can get sued (like candance should be. the crazy bint going full slander lol.)
but he did say that his agent counter-offered, and they refused to remove the "important parts" that he didn't like. multiple times in fact.
Yup. He’s a loser.
It’s amazing a guy who is known to not pay employees for months after getting RUclips bans now expects his employer to pay him regardless of the money coming in…..
Oh please, Show me where I can find the information that crowder has been known to not pay his employees
I can't believe I used to watch both of these guys regularly💀
I used to be a Jimmy Dore fan. Live and learn.
Same , ages of 15/16 brutal man
Cringe 😬
At least you got better.
I can't believe you watch Kyle Kulinski.
Steven Crowder: I'm not gonna get personal
Steven Crowder Five Seconds Later: Candace talked about me like a girl who gets her husband in a bar-fight! 🤣🤣🤣
Where is the joke🤨 She just said he did a bitch move. Crowder comes off as a moron and jerk. I do believe he is a grifter. In the TP interview he literally says he wanted 100Mil because he wants to retire young
Probably doesn't think Candace is a person, so maybe not so inconsistent.
Crowder: I'm not saying it's badge of honor to get banned
Also Crowder: I'm such a rebel for getting banned, that's why you guys love to listen to my rants
If advertisers didn't know DW was doing this, they're not doing their job. Pragers views were all inflated too.. And he's right, the post board does show the truth.
50 million dollars?!
-Chris Tucker
🤣 Did he kidnap Chelsea Clinton?
20 million in 50,
20 million in 20,
And 10 million in 10!
I can hear him saying it.
Even for someone with his media career, Crowder’s delusions of grandeur are insane. “I don’t like this contract so the future of our nation is at stake.”
Not all right-wing propagandists are idiots, but Crowder legitimately is.
@@that_heretic honestly this shows him to be one
@@that_heretic who is not though?
I very seriously doubt that's what he genuinely believes. He's not misrepresenting the stakes because he's delusional; he's framing it like that as an act of willful deception. It's about improving the optics of his side of this conflict. Because obviously, crusading against contract/worker exploitation out of principle for everyone is a much better look than the purely self serving reality of the situation which is _"ME AM WANT ALL MONIES! WHY AM YOU NO GIVE ME EVERY MONEY?! UNFAIR!"_ He wants people to be on his side, by framing his greedy entitled pursuit into being something much more noble. The guy is a slimy fucking diseased snake of the lowest order, through and through.
@@ultimatebailer The ones who know the stuff they are saying is dumb but say it anyways to make money. Hard to know who they are. Shapiro and Peterson seem like that. Both have their moments where you see they are intellectually curious and capable of understanding nuance and stuff. Then they get back to hysterically whining about wokeness.
Would be nice to get 2005 RUclips back. When it wasn't corporateTUBE
Was RUclips even around in 2005 lol.I just want 2010 RUclips back .
@@Anthonycheesman33 it was
@@theexplorer7139 in 2005 it was probably just cat videos lol.
@@Anthonycheesman33 2005 youtube was pretty bad.
@@Anthonycheesman33 that's when it started
It's great to see people like Crowder destroying themselves with their own greed. He wanted 130m from daily wire and they recognised from that , that he wasn't a serious negotiator.
I don't know, maybe he needed a 33 million dollar a year operating budget for his show. Those dresses he loved to wear and the black face make up for the HILARIOUS sketches must be very expensive.
It's always hilarious to see people talk with such conviction while simultaneously declaring that they have literally no idea what they're talking about.
Your level of understanding of this story doesn't even qualify for kindergarten lol.
their own greed? he refused MILLIONS OF DOLLARS to stick in what he believes.
"he wanted 130 mln" source? really? you public shame someone for giving you "only" 50 miliions?
leftists project their dumbness on others
I think like with most contracts that's how much he was willing to sell his soul for his convictions are worth 130m
Do you honestly think Dailywire has 50 million dollars of free cashflow? lol. That contract is written by the legal team from the 3rd party financier, and that's who Crowder was actually negotiating with - the people funding Dailywire. 4 strikes would have equaled 0 dollars out of that 50. Crodwer being stuck in a 4 year contract, FORCED to pay for his own production, with zero money left from the 50 million. Only an idiot would have accept that contract. They could have offered him 500 million, and Crowder would have ended up paying out of pocket for his own employees, and production, to produce content for Dailywire, while they take ALL the monetization.
Anyone who knows a contract lawyer, went through that and quickly realized that contract, wasn't just unfair, it was legit a scam.
If I understood Crowder, it isn’t the money for him, but an entire production team
Well not just that but the cost of producing all of his content. I don’t like crowder either but the 50 mil isn’t just for him, it isn’t even just for 50 people. It’s for producing his content, paying his employees and himself
It's fun watching these groups go at it
That's when you get to see everyone's true colors. Lol
Facts
There truly is no honor amongst thieves and I love it 😆
Just like GOP it was only a matter of time b4 they start goin at each others’ necks 👀🍿🙌🏽🤣
the conservative scene is turning into WWE
I bet Crowder could give Shapiro one hell of a choke slam
Can a wrestling promotion succeed when every single character is a heel? We'll see...
@@trickstergod9179 there have two companies that have done such a move ECW and CYN, the latter being the answer to What if Redditors on the pro wrestling section formed a promotion. They both failed…spectacularly. So to answer your question, No
@@sawtooth808 Good to know, good for us.
It’s always been that way, am actually surprised people now find out about this lol.
I normally don't care for the "crazy person says crazy thing" videos and online drama videos- admittedly, I skip a lot of them. But watching the right break down into civil war for once is a delightful change of pace. Let them fight!
Yeah, look at those idiots over there! They are so dumb that they could never accomplish anything like overturning Roe or blocking Biden's public option for healthcare.
What are you talking about and what are you doing here? This is one man’s issues.
lol yep. distract everyone from "the left" endorsing ped0phili@, r@pe, mur6er and more.
What's the point of a contract if that contract provides no benefit and no protection compared to remaining independent.
It is honestly just so funny how liberal Steven Crowder sounds. Calling out a big business for using their money to artificially boost their brand, and calling out a big company for using their money and power to essentially give workers no choice but to sign contracts that are unfair to the workers.
@@craigewen7542 I would love to know exactly how many liberal hairs are on Crowder's head.
Well yeah he's not a far-right Neo-Nazi Fascist and Authoritarian. Like people on the Left think of him.
Everyone's a 'liberal'/Leftist when its convenient for their narrative
@@craigewen7542 You mean the guy who opposed the increased minimum wage?
@@fighterck6241 Not to mention Crowder is racist AF
Lmao grifter exposing grifters for grifting.
It's a good grift.
Tell me you don't know what a grifter is without telling me you don't know what a grifter is.
@@malluk3065 All your conservative daddies are grifters. Every single one of them. Stay salty.
@@trickstergod9179 whatever you say.
@@malluk3065 if you watch right wing media and unironically believe in it you wouldn't know what a grifter is 😂
Who else feel the right was due for a good civil war
Steven was getting paid $50M over 4 years, but that also was supposed to cover all production costs of his show. He mentioned that he has twenty something employees as well, which would all be paid out of that $50M in addition to his other production costs. I'm not saying it isn't a lot of money because it is definitely a lot of money. But the daily wire was saying it is basketball player money, and that's not necessarily true. It isn't like he was offered Rogan money. Again, I don't feel like the amount of money he was offered was low, but it wasn't just $50M going straight into Steven's pocket.
Everybody pays money lol wtf are you talking about. Sportspeople have to pay their agents, managers, assistants, entourage, etc. Rogan was literally double Crowder so not sure what your point is exactly
@DRDR3ADSA Crowder has far more production costs than Rogan. Crowder would take home roughly $500k a year, assuming the penalties were not applied.
@@DRDR3ADSA My point was that the entire 50k doesn’t go to crowder’s pocket. What’s your point?
$620,000 a year per employee assuming no other costs. Also how does a show like that require 20 people to run??? Shouldn’t it be like 5? Not sure Crowder is at all a source you can trust anyways
@@irish5884 500k a year? So his costs to run a show a $12million a year? Isn’t it basically like breaking points level production? And they do it all with less than 10 people over there
Crowder is shocked that there's capitalist exploitation going on in right wing media, now that's funny. 🤣
I see the show has gained 2000 new subs over the last couple days. Hopefully that’s a sign of good things to come!
That shit was at 978k-979k subs for the longest.
@@NWFWMbudwieser I swear it sat at 973k for at least a year
@@brendan5235 Good grief. The counting by big tech companies.
Crowder blathers on and on, and doesn’t talk specifics in the contract. He’s playing smoke and mirrors, disguising his agenda.
shut up, rabbi.
Well yeah the way he always uses "verifiable". It's all for stuff the average viewer can't actually verify but it sounds true. Like someone *could* verify it if they wanted to.
Which is to open a rival company
@@Aaron-kj8dv which is why when you debate his groupies they always say "he verifies everything". Then you ask them for that verification and they disappear or present you with something that is absolutely not verification of anything except where they go for propaganda.
The bar-fight analogy was 100% accurate. I don't care what anyone says. The DW didn't hire Candace to be a classy conservative lady. They hired her to be a feisty Black Woman that conveys right-wing talking points. Her language was uncouth but it shouldn't be surprising to anyone.
Basically just called her ratchet
Nah she was fine and i think right. For the most part. I don’t fully agree with DW but i think Crowder is over his head. Candace Interview was way more entertaining. The Crowder one was SO boring
A fiesty black woman who is easy on the eye. Didn't matter what came out of her mouth and many blacks don't even relate to her. So who's the audience?
@@RadiantStar8997 Exactly, now she HAS to be “one of the good ones”. The moment she bites the hand that feeds, no one will be in her corner
@@RadiantStar8997 she literally is the black Tomi Lauren. It doesn’t surprise that those two don’t get along. There is a really perverse culture on the right that brings in these young women to serve as eye candy political commentators, and then once they age out, dump them and find a new fresh face. Owens is just the first diverse iteration of this phenomenon. There’ll be a trans one in no time I’m assuming
Shades of Tipper Gore’s PMRC in the 80’s. So crazy RUclips is demonetizing cursey words. 🙄
I know, right?
Thought YT had a separate site/app that is kid-friendly so it would eliminate the need for censorship on the original/main site?
He does not say get behind the paywall he says come watch it for free on rumble. I really wish people would pay attention.
I'm on crowders side he is right. I at first thought it might be the other way, but not now. It's not about money 50 mil is a lot, but if you are forced to stay in a box and not color outside of the lines it is not worth it.
The DW more so BS protects his own tush covered in fancy underwear rather then push harfer on things that realy matter.
Now that i think about it, I've actually got Daily Wire ads on your videos before
1:50 Video starts here
I think DW will come out of this looking the better. Crowder is being unreasonable. If he wants to go independent, do so. There is plenty of issues running on ad revenue. But ya ain't. Ain't making 50 million in 4 years on subscriptions only.
He makes 42 mil a year by his numbers on subscriptions. Its 350k subscribers at $10 a month.
Still don’t understand why he is attacking DW so aggressively? What did i miss? End a friendship over a not perfect contract sounds stupid to me
@@womendontneedmen5071 The whole thing is over how predatory the contract is, and that he feels personally offended that the same people who called him a friend, would then send him the same terms that they send actual nobodies. Crowder has a whole team of people to pay. Soon to be over 30 people. His brand already makes more money than the offer based on just his publicly stated info. DW offer was to pay him less, force him to play by big tech's speech rules (which DW claims to be against), make Crowder pay for his production, and DW did not want to negotiate the non-starter terms of the offer. Crowder gave them time to make a better offer, they didn't, and now he's flaming them publicly for it.
Biggest mistakes I see people chiming in on this make is how they get really hung up on the money, and read too much into the terms. It's legal speak; you take them at face value. You can't add nuance and personal interpretation, because that is not written on it. If it says X, it just means X. It's doesn't mean X with a side of Y.
Personally, I think it's funny to watch. DW's damage control has been to basically pour water on a grease fire, thinking it'll put it out. All the while, Crowder has been the ultimate grifter. The amount of chaos that has been caused has touched nearly every corner of the internet. Lol
@Ragged Flaggon Then the deal makes zero sense if he is pulling in that much. Why would he even bother with any network if he makes 42 mil a year just on mug club? His numbers are off there.
One thing Crowder and Pool brought up a couple times was that RUclips isn't the end all be all and that Crowder had way more subscribers on Rumble. But the question in my head consistently was, does Rumble payment in any way compare to RUclips? Like the advertiser base has to be smaller.
I thought it’s about the movement not the money🤨
How will you reach normies or liberals on rumble?
@@womendontneedmen5071 He might believe that, but he's still gotta pay his production team and pay for rent and food just like everyone else. I'm sure he's not living somewhere cheap.
@@ariel-y-e-m sure but dude be real. Since when do 20 employees cost millions of bucks? And in the video Crowder literally says he wanted more money because he wants to retire young. It’s after 01:something. After an hour or so is when he said that in case you want to rewatch it. It seems like it’s all about the money. Now left and right are eating each other and the globalists are laughing and rubbing their hands :(
@@womendontneedmen5071 He claimed during the video that production for each of his Change My Mind videos is either tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars. So that could be eating some of the cost as well. He could just let Daily Wire handle the production, but he insists on doing that himself.
But yeah, I mean I don't personally buy it, but I'm not in the guy's head. I personally think it was more about control over his content in combination with just feeling disrespected. Part of that definitely had to do with money, but I do think it was more complicated than just money. Idk, who knows.
lol you are so right about Ghislane I think no one not even she knows how to pronounce her name.
FYI for anyone who cares about the nuances of this. If my "source" was correct, the 50 million wasn't just to pay Crowder. It was to cover production costs of the entire show, and salaries of his employees for the entirety of the contract. And DW knew his channel was previously demonitized. Knowing that- the "fee reductions" do seem to be a way bigger problem. As I believe his show is probably worth more than 12.5m a year, even if I'm not a fan.
Which Jeremy addressed all of in his video. Including Crowder already being de-monetized. Nobody is in the dark or confused by this.
Crowder INSISTS on doing his own productions with his own crew. Crowders costs for that production is a very small amount out of that 50. For one thing. Another thing was that 50 million was a starting point for negotiations based on Crowders agent stating it as a minimum.
What you guys seem to be missing is that Crowder not agreeing with the contract isn't the problem. That happens all the time. What Crowder did that was, let's say "extra", was then decide to purchase a website called "Big Con" and record a staged conversation with his "friend" and then launch a public attack on many of his "friends", in order to damage their image and boost his own.
Kyle: Jeremy Boring, hilarious name
Also Kyle: Marries Krystal Ball
Kyle and other similar RUclipsrs are complaining about lost hits on RUclips but then they're sending people over to Spotify and other platforms. Confusing
Um...Free speech doesn't cover people getting paid by corporations for what they say.
Your statement about Steven's counter offer is missing context. He stated on Timcast that they would need to remove the penalties tied to big tech before he would do further negations, then DW stated they are a part of their business model. There was mention of a higher fee, but the main issue was the penalties. Just because they started talking about items in the contract and a higher fee was mentioned doesn't mean there was an actual counter offer made and sent over.
His point was that the reason we don't know if there was a counter offer made is because Crowder answered the question by not confirming or denying whether he did make a counter offer. He literally sidestepped a direct question with BS everyone already knows and that's almost always a sign of dishonesty.
If didn't provide a counter then the way to answer would be "we did not give a counter. We told them there were other issues that needed resolved before we could". That's not what he said though, he doesn't answer at all.
@@SaintKines ruclips.net/video/IyJBb_ddp5Q/видео.html at 30:33 Gerald states they did not make a counter offer.
And at 2:02:33 Crowder says his agent told them "If you want 100% of everything, this is the number it's higher, but these are the non-starters. We were very clear these
are the non-starters. There was never anything suggested that got rid of the non-starters."
*Let Them fight.*
Ben Shapiro actually did have Kari lake on his show. Sounds like crowded was claiming he wouldn’t and as far as the RUclips strikes go that actually helps him make money too.
"ghislaine" is pronounced like "Elaine" with a hard G.
(it's not difficult.)
I'm just happy to see Crowder turning closer and closer to being economically populist. If it were my way, workers should own the means of production at big and medium sized companies.
It's a scam. It's the same thing when Tucker does it. I don't believe for a second you actually believe that. You're just hoping that we will...
Nothing about crowder is economically populist, it's all self interest
So, Steven Crowder is saying RW Outlets are being exploited, and wants _unionization_ gasp 😱 how very _progressive_ of him.
It seems like the Trumpian kind of populism where he's saying the right things but doesn't actually mean any of it.
Always. IWW.
Omg! Today was the First time I’ve gotten two of your videos played back to back in a while!!!
Crowder wouldn’t last a month in a real job
The fact that he wanted more money could just mean that would allow him the space to get cancelled over and over and still come out fairly.
I honestly can't even process what Crowder is trying to say. He is talking a million miles a second and bounces around all over the place. Like at 15:56 when Tim asks him a simple question "are you saying the DW buys views" and listen how he answers that simple question.
Kyle should get an ear-ring.
To compliment his vape and bleached hair, complete the d bag aesthetic.
I LOVE neocon fratricide.
Crowder really said "gas lining" didn't he
Weird to be on the daily wire's side on something
Especially since he is right on this. But you guys are good with the status quo and will march lock step with the powers that be on that side . Its the difference between Dore and coc-- I mean vape smoker here .
@@natemendsen1629 eh? All conservatives and fascists kneel to power. They love being slaves from their indoctrination.. Doesn't matter if it's new or old guard.
@Nate Mendsen cool story kid. Dimmy Bore called MTG a leftist. That’s the funniest joke that hack has told in years.
@@natemendsen1629 If you think there's a right side here and that Dore is some paragon of virtue, I have a bridge to sell you.
@@wilcee238 Almost as funny as the people that think Dimmy Bore is a leftist even now.
Why are all the left wing channels reviews channels for the right wing? This is sad
Most of them aren’t left wing. They’re middle of the spectrum.
Crowder is so transparently FOS it's unreal. Hes on par with a Hallmark channel actor. He planned the whole thing out. It's amazing to see how many supporters of his are falling for this crap.
They're followers of a right-wing grifter like Crowder, so they're already dumb enough to fall for anything.
Con-on-con mud wrestling. I'm down for it. It's about time they provided some positive entertainment value.
Proper pronunciation of Ghislaine is: GEE-lane. My credentials: Haitian, lived in Montreal for a year, and I want to say this monster’s name correctly.
“Pronunciation is serious business” ~ Hatari Hanso Kill Bill Vol 1
Kyle, your revamp is going awesome. Started smashing and went full frosted tips. It was never temporary, and I respect it.
There's a difference between being banned and staying monetized
"With covid it's true that the CDC would say something and months later new evidence would come out to disprove it"
Yes, that's kind of what happens when you deal with a disease you've never seen before.
You give the best guidelines you can with what you know, and you update those guidelines as you learn more. Kyles entire take on covid has gotten more and more unhinged and idiotic as the months go by.
You have to keep in mind that the only stats conspiracy theorists and contrarians care about are ones that prove their agenda and times they were right.
So while they'll take a contrarian response to every single thing the "authority" on the matter will say or claim, they only count the very small percentage of the time they guessed right. And they only arrive at that guess by consistently taking a differing view. Batting average be damned.
Plus VARIANTS changes
No cursing?? Do people realize this is 2023 & not 1953?? How ridiculous. Oooh! I heard a bad word, Oh My!!! People r starving in the world, battling cancer, at war……could the language police treat people anymore entitled??? Absurd.
It’s a hard marketplace when your act is homophobic and racist “jokes”
What “homophobia and racism”?
The left: “when you are not intelligent enough to provide constructive criticism, revert to declaring bigotry so you don’t have to think”
No such thing as homophobic
You can't complain about the RUclips algorithm if that very algorithm has made you very rich.
So much money! What billionaire bought them?
The heritage foundation and the federalist society financially back these awful people on the right .
All of them
50Mil like Jesus Christ! You could just invest 1Million and you would be good for life
@@womendontneedmen5071 Money will not save the corrupt.
@@yourmother2739 the corrupt need jail time not saving
On the call Crowder has with Boring Crowder talked about Boring saying “you would own the rights in perpetuity even after the contract ends” and Boring says “for the productions we pay for yeah” it was hilarious
Yes, when Steven Crowder loses money, dailyWire loses money too. Yes, they tried to split the loss. Steven Crowder is misrepresenting the issue.
Steven Crowder wants to open a media company and this is just a way to advertize it.
I don't get the cursing thing. I find it so random and absurd.
19:30 For the love of God can someone teach Kyle to pronounce "damning"
Yes! Fight! Slash! Tear! Gouge! Slay each other! FIGHT! FIGHT FOR MY PLEASURE!!
All I hear is 'I just want to keep being racist AND paid by billionaires...is that so wrong?'
The Daily Wire is officially part of THE WOKE
He does have a point about them juicing the numbers. I have seen it with Prager videos. A Prager ad will play as an ad but it is 4 minutes long because it is the whole video. It doesn’t surprise me that they then count the 6-15 seconds, hell sometime 30 seconds if I am away from the phone. Then they count it as me “viewing” the video.
I like Steven Crowder. He's the watchdog of the Right that creates diversity in our political space. Disagree with him on many things, but a principled man, he definitely is. He could have signed away and take the paycheck. But he chose to fight and start burning bridges in the name of the conservative movement. He makes me re-evaluate Tim Pool to a certain degree since Tim Pool decided to quietly walk away. Whereas Crowder is trailblazing.
Oh well, would have been nice to have that "public square" of "public utilities" - Looks like the party in power forgot all about it... now that they are in power.
I thought it was illegal to record a phone call without telling the other person that you're recording the call?
Depends on the state
@@thealternative9580 Ah ok. Here in PA it is illegal.
@@Galilelo_Telescope The term to look for by state is one party consent, or two party consent
No wonder some of the ads are like 2 hours long
Sitch and Adam reviewed this part live and crowder has the numbers he accuses DW
That search history "Evil piece of garbage" Ben Shapiro xD
Crowder was in the wrong here. Just lied over and over, but glad this happened because it’s so very very funny.
I believe what Steven Crowder was talking about was Digital Impressions counted when using ads/social media. An impression does not need the viewer to watch the full length of the video ad or even click an link based ad. There are different standards for counting impressions, but something like 4-5 seconds is usually good enough for a video ad, and for SNS it's something like the ad was viewable for over two seconds?
If ads count as views for the daily wire then it completely makes sense that they would have huge numbers if they run a bunch of them.
My favorite part is Steven going into Tim Pool’s show to talk about this problem being in the midst of conservative media for a while ‘the big con’ but accuses the Daily Wire of using leftist tactics.
Ben shipero does use cancel culture leftist tactics openly he says there doing this so we have to do it as a counter.
Well I do agree with I wouldn't sign with an organization that takes money away from me getting demonetized
Kyle! Your title hints you’re taking the right libertarian side instead of right authoritarian side on this Crowder issue! If so, good on you.
All other leftists have taken the right authoritarian side on this one (e.g. Lance of Serfs, etc.). It’s been bad.
What's the difference?All these guys have the same exact ideology
please stop trying to sound intelligent. Its embarrassing.
Libertarians and the right share a lot of the pro corporate capture ideology.
lol no one should be taking any of these sides, that’s the whole point. If Steven crowder believes in laissez fair capitalism, then what right does he have to complain about a document that he isn’t contractually obligated to sign?? This is Steven crowder self promoting his own brand in spite of the daily wire. This is just a self serving virtue signaling ploy to get more mug clubs subscription because crowder left the blaze and needs to carve out his own space. Case in point, he’s still on RUclips, if he was principled, why is his show still using big tech. I’m not even going to defend the daily wire, they can burn for all I care, but I love this right on right in fighting. Thinking that one is better than the other is laughable though.
@@erikvan9582 The difference between authoritarianism and libertarianism is the difference between a state and its monopoly on violence and a community or township that is no longer threatened by it, respectively. Both reflect vastly different economies, legal frameworks, and public choices. A libertarian and authoritarian can see eye to eye on cultural doctrine (nuclear family archetype, cis-heteronormativity, patriarch structure, etc.), but that isn't indicative of an inherent similarity between political ideologies, as an individual on the left of the political spectrum or even a centrist could agree on that same doctrine.
Why did Kyle remove the "We've Got To Tax The Rich" video?
I love how you are cherry picking topics and not going further into his explanations. Misleading your followers is a bit shady
Gotta make that money and expand subs somehow.
The deeper you go into Crowder’s narrative, the more disingenuous it gets. And I say that as a hard core Right winger who used to be his fan.
@@lauromartinez8948 crowder the guy that cross dresses and sucks dick ironicly. Is there anything I can do that's bad weather it's done ironicly or unironlicly
@@lauromartinez8948 left and right are eating each other,now what? Is this good or not?
Better don’t look at public figures for help. It’s all about the money
Gas lining? 6:59
Damn Canadians
Crowder,Peterson,it's harder for lunatics to rise up to power in Canada so they all cross the border to sell their shit in US,that is the real migrant crisis
@@erikvan9582 lol
Steven Crowder's admissions seem like a smoking gun for the new RUclips demonetization claims by David pakman, and also show a inconsistency between how RUclips reps deal with right-leaning versus left-leaning, seemingly giving more preference to the right
Oh boy, I'm sure Kyle will give this an honest, unbiased report. 😏
Fr he definitely won’t straw man every authentically good point raised by crowder and just make the same lazy point he always makes…muh right winger bad muh left winger good
@@morganwartman8507 Oh cry about it, jesus christ.
@@morganwartman8507 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you guys are sad
@@morganwartman8507 Kyle doesn't do that though.....? Who are you watching?
@@winwinmilieudefensie7757 excellent rebuttal.
Would someone please tell Kyle that the n in damn and damning is silent?
Kyle only wishes he coild be in a dispute over a $50 million contract. When Crowder went on Timcast IRL, there was over 160k people streaming it. And I see only 2.3k people streaming Kyle's hot take here. So pathetic, Kyle.
It's ok my man, Kyle's doing just fine lol.
All your saying is their is more idiots listening to grifters than their are informed individuals.
Naw homie it’s all good when you have morals
Kyle still has his hair. And a smokin girl friend.Things that escape Tims grasp.
@@gemkid85 when his sugar momma gets $50 million in a divorce, I guess so. 😂
I've had a Crowder video pop-up for a ad at least twice. I can't stand any of there used car salesman tactics.
Clicked "autoplay" and the next video was Secular Talk.
Even if they are buying ads to get plays, the numbers would be negligible right?
The n in 'damning' is silent, I know pointing this out is petty but this irrationally annoyed me.
Kyle hops on Google immediately after taping this podcast: "how to increase my views on RUclips the naughty way" 😂
Dude his pronunciation of "damning" is the new rural.
Honestly, this sucks. It's like finding out that two brothers hate each other. I would listen to Crowder and Shapiro. It really felt like a genuine friendship. And now it's over. It's sad.
It’s almost like he doesn’t like greedy corporations exploiting their workers….
lol “soil your britches”
“JIZZ-LANE” 😂