Men In CRISIS As They Drop Out Of Workforce | Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar
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- Опубликовано: 5 окт 2022
- Krystal and Saagar are joined by economist Nicholas Eberstadt to better understand why American men are dropping out of the workforce at record levels
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Im 40. Ive been working 9 to 5 since I was 18 and I bet I've taken off less than 10 sick days ever. Im reliable, self starting and able to work independently. In this time I've had 3 separate employers (all in the same field) and all of them have abused my hard working attitude in the name of one more dollar with nearly zero thanks. All the while my quality of living drops each year.
If my career was reset I would absolutely phone in the rest of my life. Hard work definitely doesn't pay off. Not anymore.
Edit: Jeez, I can't believe my little sob story got this much response 😂
Thanks everyone.
You said it, mate!
you were exploited, and were gaslit into believing your exploitation was both good and right
Correction hard work never paid off
@@SpaceRaptor510 not for the worker, but the bosses LOVE it
@@SpaceRaptor510 It did till the 1991 recession but we won't talk about Gen X around here. Only in whispers. Like the legends they are.
It’s pretty disheartening that in a lot of states you can work 40 hours a week and still be making less than $16,000 a year
And this is why we are saying 'fuck work'. If I'm going to be poor anyway, il be poor on my own time
Dude, some people work 50-60 and barely cross 20-25 k. Nowadays closer to 30 but God damn, some jobs need better pay
And that’s gonna make things more expensive but it’s fckin worth it. People need to be able to afford to live somewhat decently.
That's 8 bucks an hour, learn skills people are willing to pay you for.
@@onward2727 unfortunately, those jobs do not to give out better pay to remain operational
@@slavetothegrind872 it matters not how skilled or 'valuable' you are, the exploitation is always there. There is no issue with pay disparity per se, it's the exploitation that is the issue
I am one of those men. Worked hard for multiple companies, raised an 18 month old alone and I never felt appreciated by the terrible bosses or cheating girlfriends or ungrateful children that I helped raise. In 2017, I lost another job, got rid of all my social media and just withdrew from society. I quit caring because it feels like no one cares about me. I zero tolerance for people these days. I would not "interview" well. I am physically healthy at 56 yrs and should be working and saving. But, I have no debt, food is my largest monthly bill and I live off savings - which will likely run out before I die. But I have a shotgun shell for when that occurs.
I used to struggle with my mental health. I don't struggle anymore. Why bother? It is what it is.
What about your parents or family relatives?
@@anuragchakraborty8766 Both parents have passed. I actually lost my dad and girlfriend in 2017 along with my job. Rough year for me. I have a younger brother who I have never been close with. My parents nicknamed him "The Instigator" as a child. He was and still is a passive aggressive button pusher. So I don't see him these days. My son turned 35 yesterday. I texted him a happy birthday message, but as in the past 10 or so years, he doesn't reply back.
@@anuragchakraborty8766 Never just assume that everyone has family who has their back.
Don't give up, God cares about you. Start reading the Bible and get to know Him better.
Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.
Matthew 11:28
A yes, turn to church, another black hole to throw money too. @@leandro6956
Imagine telling a whole group of society that they’re wrong, aggressive, inherently bad people for years. No wonder they want to play video games and watch tv.
Imagine that no matter what people have been saying, men still overwhelmingly control the majority of policies, governance, enforcement of laws, every branch of government and corporations. And since they have the majority of power, the ones in power see no reason to change even if it hurts other men with less power than them.
I don't hear many people saying that all men are like what you are characterizing, but whenever one who is like that is called out, I hear plenty of victimization and direct or indirect blame of everything being placed on women, Democrats (including the rightwing ones, because that D is what makes you evil!), immigrants, etc.
And it's already been proven, several times, that you can be utter filth and still become President if you're a man. Maybe a horrible woman could someday become President, this is America after all, but not even a good one has been elected yet.
Anything to distract from addressing the real issues and the real solutions.
Most of this could be solved with fair taxes on the wealthy and worker protections that allow for living wages.
Or maybe playing video games is too much fun.
@@DrejaAndi "Imagine that no matter what people have been saying, men still overwhelmingly control the majority of policies, governance, enforcement of laws, every branch of government and corporations. "
People who are male control these things, yes..."men" as a group do not.
@@DrejaAndi you're comparing the most high profile and successful people to the average man. That's a big class divide. Most of those people in one way shape or form inherited power or wealth. Once you look at middle and lower class, college vs no college, you see it.
Your dismissal of the men who do claim to experience this is apathetic in my view. This is part of what the message they're trying to get out in fact; people don't care about them and dismiss them.
@@DrejaAndi let’s be honest 99% of men are not successful in the sense you are stating. The 1% who are successful in society are the ones the radical feminists pretend represent all men. The top 1% of straight men can get a lot of female attention. A fair proportion of these men also seem to be borderline psychopathic. This makes them attractive to women in a sexual sense but repulsive emotionally. This cognitive dissonance cause some to project their hatred and jealousy of men onto the 99% , who they find unattractive. Hence, when the subject of men disengaging from society comes up there are no tears from the college educated radical feminists. Rather mocking contempt and what about ism. The ultimate effects of this male disengagement have not really been felt too much in society yet but they soon will be. Already we are seeing men walking away from situations where once they would have helped women. Ahh well equality must be coming, because that is what real male privilege provides. If you live as a man you are on your own, no one will come to your rescue. Women are now just starting to gain the same privileges as men have enjoyed for millennia.
Man, it's almost like ignoring problems facing men for the last two decades and more is having a negative effect. Who would've thought?
What problems?
Such a tough riddle. Maybe the Batman can solve it. Oh wait, he's a male too. F**k!!!
@@xq8152 what problems? Have you been paying attention at all?
@@xq8152 🏅🥂🖖🏽
@@Renniks74 Go to school. Study. Work hard while doing so. Get a job. Work hard there. Keep climbing. It's easy unless you have literal barriers in place.
I worked in a supermarket during the pandemic, and absolutely everyone felt the hypocrisy of doing a job that NEEDS to be done while earning just enough to get by. Everyone was on the same page. Except the higher ups. They just didn't see it. It baffles me still.
Simply put, I think there's a gigantic gap between the goals of leaders and the needs of workers.
There are a lot of chiefs and not enough indians. That’s what I’ve been hearing a lot lately.
@@o.n.6307 no, this is not a situation that is boiled down to a catch phrase. Nor does your reply even address the original comment. There is a massive gap between what the working class needs to thrive, and what the executive class thinks a person needs. That’s the entire point.
@@o.n.6307 Are you on meth? Everyone’s an Indian. In a Democracy, there should be no chiefs to overrule the indians. We’re no longer Hunter gatherers. We don’t need that sort of organization anymore. We have unleashed such powerful productive forces with our labor that eventually we will also make the chiefs obsolete.
Supermarkets have slim margins. People seem to think you can just raise wages and it comes out of the pockets of the wealthy. There's a reason grocery workers are paid badly: people like cheap food. You blame leaders but you can also blame consumers. They pay as little as they can and won't pay more to help workers.
The place I work at wont even fix the AC. a total FU to not only the employee's but to the shoppers and the manufacturers of goods that get ruined why their products melt on our shelves.
I've busted my back as a carpenter for 30 years. My body hurts,I'm tired every night,and I'm wearing down. I have avoided the pain meds, but I have no savings and I see little to be gained from breaking my body down anymore. I'm moving out of my rental house right now and moving into a studio apartment/ garage, selling my truck and dropping out of the race. I honestly wish I would have given up sooner.
Just fear God, and praise God. You will get eternal peace.
Good luck brother.
As long as u move forward even if it's little by little. It's still progress
Not all trades pay off. Seems like only ones like plumber, electrician, and the like are worth doing.
please let people know the reality of what it means to work in trades. everyone is acting like it's the next frontier. it's not. it's simply hard work.
This society is disintegrating. We’re kind of at the point of ‘every man for himself’, and the outcomes from that can’t be good
Unless you're already rich. Then it's wonderful.
What a coincidence.
This is real! In my entire nursing career, I have not seen so many patients dying from suicide attenpts and OD as I have been seeing in the last 2 years.
Wow
Fentanyl
Wow!
I think if you die from a suicide attempt it's just a suicide. But I got ya 😂 Thank you for your work
are they men?
Letting in 20 million illegal men between 18 and 30 that will work for almost nothing couldn’t possibly have a negative effect of the workforce.
Chiming in like so many others - stable productive guy who has worked his butt off to change his place in life who is now in his late 30's and never found family or connections and is just.. becoming more of a watcher every year. I am basically just playing it out until an early death.
Hey man sorry to hear that. I've been going through a depression of my own the last year. Therapy has helped me, sometimes we just need someone to talk to. Journaling about how I really feel about myself and life has also helped. Sometimes the changes we need to make in life are not external but internal.
find a few hobbies, we guys all have a few things we like, so dump yourself into your hobby, thats a start. Next teach yourself something new, could be bird watching, fixing an old car, playing guitar, do things that bring a smile to your face. work to live, dont live to work. Also dont fret about not being married with kids, many guys deep down really wouldnt do it over again because these things arent what they seem. ex. The guys I really for sorry for are the guy who worked hard, his wife cheated on him, took his house, took his kids, turned his kids against them and now his has to work and most of his pay goes to these very same people. Talk about a nightmare
Same
You guys aren’t alone, and 30’s is still a young age gents with plenty of time in life. Start working out and comeback man. This world needs you guys, now more than ever.
Achieve peace in your own mind. The leadership of the US has failed all of us. We need to unplug and work on our philosophy of life and gain peace by removing ourselves from this material wealth BS.
This has been going on in Japan as well for decades now. They tend to be 10-15 years ahead of us with these kind of economic issues. Colloquially they are called NEETs (Not in Employment, Education or Training). It is common enough there that they appear in media regularly. Expect this to get MUCH worse.
Oh snap! I hadn’t noticed that before!
Is there anyone who points out these similarities? Authors writers speakers etc. would love any recommendations
@Steel Fox Agreed. When there is almost no genuinely rewarding work, in any sense, men will curl and largely die.
If the USA were to end up like Japan, there would lots of rioting.
Japan pretty much works its own workers to the point where they collapse of physical exhaustion!
I identify so much to this report. I’ve been severely underemployed for the last 4 years. And when I was in my 20s I was making more money and easier work. This country has failed its men. If it wasn’t for my investments my earning would have made me homeless while working for 50 hours a week on my feet.
Same here. I left office work four years ago to work for myself. And if I didn’t already have my own house with some financial help from my family, I’d be in a much worse off place. It’s a sad state of society we’re living in.
Its not just your country its the Its mostly all western countries
Ditto except without the investments, as I had to cash them out.
Good luck to all of you out there. It’s tough times but it will likely get worse. So find a way to save money but also find a good wealth manager so that you don’t lose it all.
You mean white men, correct. Since when in the last 40 years have ya'll given a damn about men of color? All this is fake news...
Hard to blame them when work relationships are so pathological. Working in the service economy essentially amounts to subsidizing the upper class's homes, cars, and vices. The basic communal structure of work is tyrannical with owners at the top and those who are rented at the bottom. Basic necessities of community such as promoting human flourishing are completely neglected in these environments. It's embarrassing and it breaks people.
This is why things like freeways,water, sewer electric, food should never be privatized. They can't be trusted.
I honestly wouldn't blame customer service workers if they punched a few customers.
At my former job, the company went through some turmoil (being bought, then sold again with massive downsizing and a split into 2 companies). On one day, 2/3 of the company was fired. In the meetings leading up to then, there were debates over who should be kept. I was listed by name with two department heads stating that if I were fired the new company being formed would fail. After being split, I was the only individual listed on the budgets of both resulting companies since both refused to give me up. 3 years later (a total of 10 at the company without a promotion), I said promote me or I quit. 6 months later (to give them a chance to act) I quit and got a new job. This doubled my salary. People who have no desire to work are the smart ones. The rest of us are used, abused, and treated like trash. Only a fool would want a job in the current world.
Yes
I'm basically unemployed since I finished my PhD a year back. Watching this segment somehow got me teary-eyed it's so weird.
What is your PhD in?
@@suckafishbowl4265 Mech. Engg.
@@anuragchakraborty8766 And you can't find a job or aren't looking?
@@rizakhan1002 I’ve looked everywhere. I wrote to every damn Professor in my field (& related fields) for Postdoc opportunities. Nothing.
I’ve knocked on doors in academia, volunteered to teach for free, but was turned down because that goes against their norms.
My PhD advisor doesn’t have any connections beyond his University, so he couldn’t help me get a Postdoc after graduation.
Lol I’ve even tried removing my PhD from my resume, in order to apply to lesser jobs so I don’t get automatically rejected on grounds of being “overqualified” 😂
Have you thought about tea hing high school in the interim? Depending on the state you wouldn't need additional training to get started, just a temporary/ emergency credential if that
Here's a crazy idea 💡 stop shipping jobs overseas. Give men work 💪
Those people who work overseas work for less money. That’s why they got the job.
@@noobtuber9037 because they’re basically slaves
Sometimes we can have manufacturing jobs here that require mantinance and observation that would require an higher upfront payment but lower overall operation costs. America cN innovative like it used to not just pay china to make crap and steel our ideas.
they took the better jobs away and replaced it with "low skill" jobs. the problem isn't lack of work. it's lack of opportunity for better work. all these jobs out there ain't shit.
You want to increase minimum wage, shutdown coal plants, give out billions of subsidies to buy green energy from China in addition to all sort of other regulations that stiffle business and then u pppl wonder why jobs are being shipped overseas
My former employer called me last week and asked me if I would consider coming back. We set up a meeting for 2 days later.
I showed up on time. They scheduled my meeting during another meeting. I had to wait 30 minutes for them to get to me. When we finally did sit down, they had no offer package. They wanted me to come up with a package for them.
So 2 days later, I presented my offer. What i consider a VERY reasonable offer for the position. They asked me to come in for another meeting. This time making me wait for nearly an hour. They countered with 20% less than i asked for, a completely unattainable bonus package, no benefits, 7 days vacation per year and 0 sick days. Completely obnoxious.
I told them i was no longer interested.
I tell them to email me. Getting you to come in is a power play.
@@MrWackozacko Yep. No need to come in to speak with anyone in the age of Zoom/Teams meetings. Especially if you're returning to a place you've already worked.
This guy kind of misses the mark, the erosion of the family order is a symptom, not a cause. The cause is economic insecurity [capitalism] leading to the erosion of the family. Places like Ohio and Indiana didn't start doing heroine and then the businesses all left, the businesses all left and then people turned to heroine to cope. It's the same thing here, it's so obvious and he wrote books about it wtf
It's time to protest. Remember Remember.......
@@MrWackozacko 100%. thats like selling something on craiglist and the buyer tells you to come to his place to make him an offer.. uhh, no thanks.
I'm a 24 year old man with a bachelor's degree. I've been through several low wage jobs in the last year. Trying out moving to a new state and working on the railroad, at a time when the strike is still on the table. I feel as if dropping out the white collar workforce killed my credibility in the dating world, but I'm going blue collar because it's the only way I can pay bills. It's scary and I don't have high prospects for my life and future.
You don't want a "daddy's little princess" as a mate anyway. Do what makes you feel happy and free. Happiness and freedom are attractive features, you'll be fine.
I am in a similar boat, I have master's in engineering and in my country there has been 1 job opening in my profession in the last year so in order to survive I would have to go to work in a warehouse shuffling boxes around or join the army or leave my home and everything and set off to a foreign country
I’m 26 and didn’t go to college, best decision of my life. Work construction and invest your money. I make 140k a year and instead of buying expensive toys I reinvest that into stocks and real estate. Don’t get caught in societies trap
There's nothing to be ashamed about going from white collar to blue collar or vice verse. You're doing what you have to to pay the bills. That's commendable. Give it some time, the right women are looking for real men who take action and get shit done. If they're not into a man willing to get his hands dirty AND / OR use his brain, they aren't the right women and they need to grow up. The world isn't black and white, nor is it red and blue. You keep working and keep your head up. Best of luck to you young man!
What’s the degree in? The 2021 might’ve been the best labor market in decades for new college grad.
One job interview was an example of why men drop out. The HR woman asked, " why should we hire you?" I said, "I will show up on time every day. When given a job will do and finish it. Will work as many hours required to finish a job, and do quality work on anything I do." She rolled her eyes and then reworded what I said into a word salad of meaningless BS.
Hiring being dependent on an HR system run by women openly discriminates against men.
Agree, many women in the workforce and in HR are extremely discriminatory.
When I hire people I look for WORK ETHIC clues. After I find they person, I then take it upon myself to grow this persons career because one can do a lot with good work ethic which is now becoming rare. People cannot take the pain of lifes reality. This is one facet of HUMAN CAPITAL MANAGEMENT and the management at large needs to know how to COACH human beings to a better place to become all that they can be!!!
This cannot be understated. There is a terrible misallocation of human capital generated by HR bitches that don't know shit about anything.
Too vanilla of an answer honestly, imagine interviewing 15 to 20 people. How many of those 15 to 20 people are going to say that?
@@platoniczombie That's fair, but a deal breaker? idk. "Why should I work for you?" and I don't want a vanilla response.
Oh no, society needs it's docile workforce, and their beasts of burden are starting to grow apathetic. What shall we do?
Bring the marshmallows lads and gather around the fire 👍🏻
hate the beasts of burden of course
Blame the horse for its rider.
Not build new houses ...roads.....farms...power plants etc
worry, because anyone who knows history and human nature, an angry idle young man populace is a stability issue for any nation. Its a main ingredient for the recipe for uprisings, civil war, terrorism and more.
I got a felony and served a short prison sentence for fake drugs when I was a dumb 19 year old kid. I'm still dumb but I'm 40 years old now 😂 I haven't been in any real trouble since and this felony still follows and haunts me. Finding housing sucks. Jobs did and would still suck too if I hadn't found a way to make my living with art by becoming a tattooer 20 yrs ago. I really feel for the people with minor drug felonies that don't have the outlet to make a living like I do.
Jobs are for losers. Employment is a system of CONTROL and DOMINATION.
You're more free than 80% of the country.
Felonies are life-long sentences
Drug laws have always been a means of social control.
@@dingfeldersmurfalot4560 Need to get that through everyone's head who tries to talk policy makers out of them by insisting "the war on drugs isn't working."
Of course it is. That's why prisons aren't full of upper class cokeheads.
The entire government is as sociopathic as serial killers who target sex workers because "they won't be missed."
Convince people their own neighbors are dangerous and Need to be put into slave wage labor to protect them. The only people close enough to see the truth are out of touch out of mind to the middle class american.
That line is getting increasingly blurred.. but what will the economy/political landscapr look like by the time it's gone.
Picture the millions of men rotting in cages NOT BEING TAUGHT SKILLS. How can anyone expect to come out and retake their life without a means to truly provide for yourself.
It’s survival, without a way to better yourself you’ll go back to doing what worked prior. I.E. drugs or “crime”.
Im 45 and I quit my career at the office 10 years ago and became a vagabond. I have CPTSD and working in the office exacerbated my ptsd when they started applying metrics to "increase productivity." Imagine being a full grown man with a beard going to 1st grade class for 6 yrs, everyday, for 8-10 hrs a day.. then never having enough money to pay all the bills that came your way because they keep you just at below a reasonable wage to keep you coming back and working longer and more hrs to compensate for the market. Talk about a psychological mindfk...
“Increased Productivity” AKA more work for less pay. 😂
Makes me think of what the Trojans did according to legend when in captivity to the Greeks. Seeing they had NO interest in living like the rest of their captives, they simply wandered off into the Greek wilderness, living off the land, nomadically venturing to a little peninsula known as Italy and then starting the Roman Empire.
@@ThisIsMyHandle333 I literally dont understand why you even commented?
Man I'm 31 and have felt the same. It's insane being treated like a child and monitored every second of the day by people 20 iq points lower than me that I could probably physically beat tf out of. And than like you said at the end of the day it doesnt even allow me to live on my own and cover all my bills and live a life. It's insane
Too many men were persuaded early on that trades jobs were dirty, dumb, hard, etc. I’m 48 and switched from a white collar office job to learning the electrical trade at 45. Wish I’d done it years ago. In most states you can earn a master’s license in 8 years, no college required in many states, and be making $150k and up. We’ve demeaned the trades to a couple generations. Meanwhile promoted expensive educational avenues that do not pan out or leave a man unfulfilled. Work hard and smart. In recent years it’s also become popular to devalue men with toxic masculinity, mansplaining and other bullshit.
Truth. I my mind, rather than use 1.4 trillion in student loan money for the universities, they should have created 4 year degrees in trade schools. I tell you, I know carpenters that can build a house by themselves. This is PHD material if you ask me because PHDs only create dissertations and don’t frequently apply their theories in the real world because implementation is HARD!!! Then you have the banks and university driving the student loan scams and the provide useless degrees when these students could have spend all this money and energy in the trades like welding, carpentry, plumbing, etc.. Now we have boomers aging out of these trades and no one to fill them.
I'm turning 50 and thinking of learning a trade, like an electrician. do you think it's too late?
@@seangiere8068 never too late. Somewhat depends on physical health because depending on trade it’s pretty physical. But some of that is mental too. I started at 45.
@@seangiere8068 if you’re a hard worker and have some problem solving skills it’s a start. There’s a massive shortage of electrcians right now.
@@artemishumaan6984 agree but be a little leery of institutionalizing trades. If it became a thing it may end up being a requirement for degrees for trades which may then backfire. If university’s saw the opportunity to make that money they would.
It's an simple conundrum. The US has deindustrialized massively over last 40 years. All these respectable, well paid blue collar jobs are overseas.....
What should have happened was massive govt intervention to get practically everyone who wanted a trade, professional qualification or college degree to where they needed to be at the minimum of cost.
If you're going to take away people jobs via govt policy, you should provide them with alternatives via govt policy
It's very strange that he didn't mention job outsourcing. I would be interested to see if he's paid by some globalist think tank to obscufate the the main reason that unemployment for men is reaching crisis levels. That seems like such an obvious explanation that his lack of addressing it seems suspect.
The jobs didn't go away via government policy; manufacturers had to find cheaper sources of labor to remain competitive.
@@pcs5852 True. It did keep the cost of goods down for Americans but at the expense of our own manufacturing base. Also, government trade deals like NAFTA enabled the outsourcing of those jobs in the first place.
@@sowelly2808: It's not so much that the costs of goods for Americans stayed down but, rather, the cost of American goods on the global market stayed down.
Much of the wealth that we, as a country, enjoyed in the 60s was based on the fact that we had very little competition in the world; most everyone else's manufacturing capability had been destroyed during World War II.
As the 70s rolled in, other nations were catching up and winning in the global marketplace.
senators got rich tho
THere are so many reasons why men are giving up, it's a confluence of factors ultimately telling men that they are not needed or wanted by objective society, then add in less emphasis on common social gathering practices, costly and unavailable therapy, the failing education system, and men feel like it's impossible to date or make 2 good friends, or be rewarded long term for hard work at any given job and life feels futile.
🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
100% THIS
Precisely
The pressure is being applied from all angles
I was going to nursing school during the pandemic and graduated in 2020. The pay and the work does not match, on top of being understaffed the quality of care is not there and frankly unsafe. I am now 29 amd about to start a job at a candy factory and it DOES in fact match the work/stress/pay ratio for me.
Willy Wonka goofy ahh n-
i kid, i hope you're having fun
My friend was making 180k as a traveling nurse during the pandemic
Very much depends where you are and what you are doing, IMO. Being a traveler can double your pay, or more. Heck, I knew an agency CNA who was making $51/hr working covid wards.
@@leivaandre not that wise to jump to traveling agencies as a fresh grad like i was. Maybe your friend already had experience before hand and was able to take advantage of the opportunity. Again, not easy as a fresh new grad considering covid hit in the middle of the nursing program and there were NO on site and hands on clinicals, hospitals and nursing homes turned us students away because of the pandemic just starting. That being said we missed out on experience and i could tell some students were not as confident graduating since we stuck only to book work.
You could make the hypothesis that a portion of the nursing class that graduated in 2020 did not all end up working as a nurse and leaving the industry. For whatever reason.
I empathize with these men. It's mentally very difficult when the mainstream narrative for the last 10-15yrs has been "make $100k/yr or you ain't shit", "men ain't shit", and "women deserve everyone's attention and resources". Throw in historically high wealth gaps on top and I can see how it can seem like a daunting task to dig themselves out. I'm grateful for where I'm at, but at any moment I could lose everything, be back at zero again, and be one of those men
Not to mention the whole “future belongs to women” slogan which i hear on a weekly basis at work.
The root cause of the problem is the oligarchs and greedy leadership of this country has marketed unlimited consumption for decades and now everyone is chasing material wealth. Money and assets IS everything now and you see it forced upon you everywhere you look. Basically, if you don’t have money and looks you are not good. Social media has magnified this problem because people are now comparing each other and many are figuring out they are on the wrong side of this measurement and hence getting depressed and even suicidal.
It took my dad over 20yrs to make that kind of money in his field but now it's like you're expected to right off the bat. Baby Boomers all got hot wives when they were making like 10k in 1982 lol.
@@mikesteelheart 💯💯💯
The resource thing is strange like real strange cuz most not all want traditional men but not act the way traditional means I mean hook up whatever but each time you lose so much energy trying too make some fool love you for you when nobody actually does that it's all an act it becomes increasingly aware that all of this is bizarre and has been being human is just a pain in the ass more than half the year and the rest of the year is avoiding getting killed by another human dealing with even more than you because of whatever thing society is doing too bother their world which happens too be in the same nasty society you were born in also.
Depression leads to anger, anger leads to hate, and… well, you know the deal
I fall into this category. Part of the problem is RUclips, Facebook, and TV, yes. But I got burnt out because I kept putting off things until they all piled up, and I am not very effective when it comes to multitasking.
The other part is that my life outside of work doesn’t change if I am making $20k a year or $80k a year. In fact, being able to travel where I want to and work when and if I feel like it makes the lower salary have less stress and worries.
The only reason for me to get a job is for the relationship issues that come from being “unemployed” or working for yourself. But even when I had a great job, it didn’t improve my chances at a relationship.
As far as I can tell, this is it. A woman and a family are the big motivators for men to achieve. We don't actually need much ourselves. Remember that meme about guys being happy with a small apartment with a good view, and no furniture beyond a folding chair and a huge TV? So if you're working your azz off to make money and your relationship life still sucks, what's the point of continuing to work you azz off? Of course guys are going to cut back on work to enjoy their lives more. The more guys that perpetually strike out on relationships, the more that'll bow out of the rat race. I foresee a lot of millennial and zoomer men "retiring" early too. If you find yourself older and without a family, you can get by without much of a nest egg... Especially overseas...
Yep went from above average income with no time for hobbies and relationships to scraping by with plenty of time for hobbies, health and no change to relationship prospects.
It's a no brainer at that point.
@@djangomarine6658yup I'm about at this point. It'd almost impossible to find a decent woman anymore and even if you do the laws are so sexist against men that it's not even worth taking the risk. I'm seriously considering going overseas or something. Theirs no way I'll work hard all the time just to let some American woman steal what little I have in a divorce court.
Not Employed, in Education or Training = NEET
This is a man of culture
Having an serious illness that takes you out of the workforce is devastating, took me two years of volunteering and gig jobs to finally get back into the job market. I just didnt want to live off SSDI and really wanted to get back out working. I even went back to college in my mid fifties to try and open up a new career but that plan didnt pan out. The job market is very unforgiving of chronic health problems and aging for both men and women but I think society is really hard on the men who fall into this situation.
I haven't worked in seven years. I can't imagine anyone would hire me now. I am loosely considering going to a trade school, but even that sounds dreadful and unlikely to stir my interests or give me a chance at employment. I might just end myself when my retirememt savings runs out.
@@brushstroke3733 I found music and art to be helpful and volunteering at an animal shelter but I hear you. Society and even family come to see you as a burden.
@@brushstroke3733 Sir, please don't do that. Look, you don't know me at all, but I can assure you that my mind too is currently in a dark place. Let's survive.
@@brushstroke3733 that's my plan ain't no retirement for me I fucked that up all I got is the bullet
@@Sam5D Maybe we'll both learn to feel fairly content with where we are and what we have.
Maybe we'll see we can imagine conditions that we would feel content in, and at least feel that way in our imaginations now.
Maybe we'll see we don't really need more experiences of highs or lows to understand the limitless possibilities of experience and no longer seek anything.
Maybe we'll settle into what is now and that will be enough reason for us to feel satisfied.
We are where we are. Maybe that's OK and we don't need to escape or get to anywhere or anything else. Be well.
I am one of these men. My voice doesn’t matter in any job I’ve had. Having to jump through hoops just to get a bad job is insane. I was told at a fast food place that if I got every other weekend off to be with my kids they’d have to do that for everyone. That was in the phone call to set up an interview. I put that I wasn’t available on weekends. Just an example. Another job I had the manager bragged about taking five adderall before work. Both times I was punished for expressing that these people were being unreasonable. I have dozens of further examples. I don’t take pain killers. And while I don’t go to school I have been studying and reading a lot more and getting my body in shape (few hours at the gym everyday). I’m not against society or work I’m against being ruled and owned just to not even make a living. I can’t remember a single time I felt respected at any of the jobs I’ve held. Not one. I’d rather die of depression on a couch (I don’t ever sit at home though) then spend another day only living for money when everyday my money means less and less. Not to mention a majority of my taxes going to the war effort instead of the home effort. (Seriously calling it the Ukraine war instead of the world dumbest pissing contest is a weird take).
Get into the trades like carpentry, plumbing, welding, etc.. F&B sucks and have many stories after 63 years of life to tell you so. I took the college route after my decade long experience with F&B but I do understand the pain and suffering big time. There are many boomers aging out of the trades so NOW is the time to sign up. Step out the door and control your destiny or it destiny will control you…
Thanks for your perspective, I do have to nitpick your Ukraine comment though. We've sent $16.9B to Ukraine and federal tax revenue is $4.4T, so we've sent ~0.4% of your tax money to Ukraine.
@@tommyanderson204 That's still 0.4% that could've saed American lives that our government said "Nah, fuck that" to.
I'm not saying Ukraine doesn't need support, but why the hell should American citizens be expected to take the Fed just handing our money to Ukrainians after telling us for Decades that we deserve nothing and if we die without their aid it's our fault?
Why does Ukraine get America's generosity while Americans only seem to ever get the whip?
Well said mate
@@artemishumaan6984 Agree 100%.
One day this is going to hit america like a Tsunami
It already is
We’re in that tsunami and the wave is getting bigger.
All ready on its way. When the young me of your society are disenfranchised, then you will start to have some serious societal problems that are very dark. This has been the case since the beginning of mankind. Of course, the elites don’t care because they have walls and walls of money to protect them from the society that they destroyed.
It's already started.
Good
I worked operating heavy machinery & equipment in agriculture & ended up being in charge of teaching new employees how to operate the equipment. Lost that job to the individuals I trained who were being paid way less by a contractor who was being paid by the company. Same thing was happening with a glass manufacturing company I worked with before I left. Companies use these contractors who use illegals to work while paying them less.
It's all about who they can exploit the hardest. Short term profits over everything. Short sighted.
There were over 100K opioid deaths last year and I never hear this mentioned in the discussions on this subject. He almost got there by mentioning "pain medication" and "depths of despair" but I don't think this point is ever fully explored and in some cases its never even taken into account. Homelessness is also a huge factor and a consequence of the "despair" and perception of being shunned by society in these cases of men, and it is further fueled by the opioid crisis.
Another huge factor in this dilemma is feminism and our societies never ending gynocentric focus. He mentions that this issue has steadily been increasing since around 1965 but fails to make the parallel connection to the rise of second wave feminism at the same time. They gynocentric focus of second wave feminism that has promoted, bolstered and propped up women for decades now has done so by tricking women into thinking that the nuclear family is not important, that they don't need men, and that they should be spending their lives slaving away in the work force. This gynocentric focus of feminism in our society has to have a victim to put down to prop women up and that victim is men! This destruction of men has completely permeated every aspect of our culture and shunned men at every turn, and the people who fail to make this connection are the ones sitting around pondering why men's moral is so low and why they don't want to participate in society anymore.
The term "Toxic Masculinity" is a simple example of how feminism destroys men's moral and puts men down but yet no one seems to be able to define exactly what "Toxic Masculinity" is, then when you actually do break the term down and define it you find out it is exactly what feminism is telling women to be. The term is nothing more than buzz words meant to demoralize men and men know it. Men know that over 80% of the homeless are men, and that men's shelters are almost non-existent but you can find a women's shelter that will turn you away and refuse to help you simply because of your genitalia in every city in the country. No one in control of any aspect of our media promotes strong male figures anymore, incompetent and emasculated men are the norm and the butt of every joke. Men take notice of all these things about our culture and know that they have to be accountable for themselves and make it on their own or they aren't going to be valued in our society because men are only valued if they are providers. Men know there isn't going to be anyone there to make excuses for their bad decisions or prop them up when they fall down like society does for women. This has actually been a big problem for a long time, and its only now that feminism is dying and its lies are being exposed that people are being forced to notice men again and realize how much men have been neglected and shunned in society, just as covid had exacerbated a lot of these issues and brought it all to a head. Its a big problem that I fear has in many cases gone too far and there is no recovering from.
I mean he did mention how the loss of the tradional family played a role if I remember right
"deaths" of despair
80% of these opioid deaths are from fentanyl. They are from being murdered intentionally by China to the Mexican Cartels. They lump these deaths all together.
100% correct. F*ck society at this point. This country picked it's path so let it suffer the consequences.
If men don't make enough, women don't desire them.
If they work overtime to make that money and care for their family, women leave them because "he's not fulfilling my needs/he's boring etc.
If they don't have a college degree, women say. "He's not driven or goal orientated.
If he doesn't have social skills. Women call him a creep.
Etc etc.
And thats not even getting into how jobs are overlooking men to hire others or companies leaving cities entirely.
Society has driven men out.
I'd quit my job but my wife's boyfriend said we need the money.
LMAO! Wouldn't be surprised if there are already relationships like this nowadays.
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It’s because these jobs pay so little with no benefits. Some men need work where they use their body and hands but that doesn’t mean they can stand to be worked like dogs .
I signed up for an HVAC training program and they rejected me because "the skills they were looking for were not represented in my resume". Like, yeah that's why I'm here. So what is the point of a training program then?
My son went through the same thing. He attended a HVAC program and was certified and go his license. I took him months to get a job...and while at the job they complaint that he didn't know anything, the school was not hands on all due to COVID. He was let go after 3 weeks. He was able to land another job however they seem not to be willing to train...its so disheartening to see my son struggle.
Yes. HR sucks as they do not do real human capital management which is the task of taking good potential workers and coaching them. First HR doesn’t hire this way, then the mgt is also telling HR they are looking for experience and narrating that if the person has an awesome work ethic potential and can learn new thing a good velocity, then they can be coached into become the high productive employee they are looking for. I don’t know why HR is not doing this today because their teachings are more advanced than what it was 30 years ago so I can only surmise that the the CFOs are tainting the application of their human capital management technique to build the workforce. I see this in my corporation all day every day and I cannot change the culture.
I attempted to do something similar a few years back. Midway through a machine tool operations course, I looked around and I realized that I was the only student who wasn't in an associate's degree program or wasn't already employed in a family business. The majority of my classmates were already employed as machinists or in manufacturing and were taking the same course in order to keep insurance rates low
@@gdc6614 if licensed can start own buss on ur own time. Cregslist help small business start up especially certified
@@annarboriter Yeah! The other guy I toured the business with was already working in HVAC. I was really confused. So it crowds out otherwise ambitious people hungry for new skills. Bonkers.
Basically, men are on their own, and they can either adapt or die. Great.
Pretty much what women were told.....
There are great women out there.
That’s been the human story for thousands of years. It’s different but not new
@@thealternative9580 sure, just not in North America lol....
@@daomingjin Ridiculous. Lots of nice girls in the cities in the south. Can't speak for elsewhere I don't live there.
Just got screwed outta my severance pay because my former employer of 10 years did not want me to take time off in order to tend my dying mother. I had to because I had no one to help me with her end of life care and In the end I wasn't even able to be with my mom when she died, so she died alone. The entire time I worked with them I never once took a day off, never vacationed, and worked even when I was sick (caught covid 3x). They took away all my vacation days and sick days for the few days that I had to take off to care for my mother. This entire system needs to burn. In the end I quit because I just couldn't be a slave to it anymore.
My god, may Mama Street Trout Rest in Peace. My condolences brother.
My condolences! What you need my good man, is fuck you money for the situation you described!
My last job sounded just like yours. Never took a full week off in 17 years and they acted like I was killing them taking two weeks off for a major surgery.
That's gotta be illegal man. These companies need to rot in hell. I've been screwed over and seen people screwed over my whole life and they wonder why noone has loyalty anymore. My supervisor just retired after 30+ years of work and in the last few years they were trying to find any reason to fire him and screw him our of his retirement benefits.
Might be worth paying attention to how Working Men are portrayed in Western Media, as well as how they are treated by by their governments/military and employers. I think the word is "disposable." Wealthy males, famous males sometimes minority working (but often in a patronizing way) and males willing to accept inferior status/treatment are exceptions, and often don't fit the "Working Class" status anyway.
Maybe it's because our labor market is completely distorted. Employees have ZERO say in the conditions of their employment. It's the boss's way or the highway. There is no way that can be seen as a human being's "purpose" in life. Krystal and Saagar are always talking about "wages are up" and "unemployment is down." I live in Oklahoma, and I've seen nothing but wages being squeezed since 2020. And in the context of price gouging being constantly labeled as "inflation," we have the billionaire class dead-set on blaming "workers making too much money." This isn't about the working class just being greedy; it's about them just trying to get by and survive.
None of the multiple economic crises in the US today is part of any natural "business cycle." This is the continuation of a concerted effort to squeeze everyone into a lifestyle of working for nothing, like a bunch of automatons. And as the guest pointed out, you've got half of these invisible men who are trapped in a state of opioid addiction. A family worth billions bought off politicians and officials for the legal right to basically sell synthetic heroine and turn millions of average people into their addict customers. It's pretty obvious that we now live in a banana republic.
I too live in Oklahoma and my job gives me much more work than the amount they give me. I have two degrees and those might as well be covered in monkey ops by how much they want to look at it, seriously thinking about moving but I don’t know
@@kni9ght Yeah, and OK is ranked 50th in economic activity. We've always had the benefit of a more affordable cost of living, but that is slowly changing, too. I'm in Tulsa, and it's like this city runs on cheap labor. I apply for jobs that pay above $20 an hour on Indeed, and then see that 75 other people have also applied for it, if not more. The facts and figures the media tells us about the labor market simply do not add up.
Capital flight requires more labor militancy, which is coming, albeit too slow fory tastes.
Straight up. I've seen the same. Even if I make a few more dollars an hour the value of the dollar is going down faster than the wages increase. And companies and managers are tyrants who expect you to grind every second of your shift and look for every way possible to screw you out of any up ward progress or raises. Meanwhile housing and every other cost of living has skyrocketed.
Man, I have a bachelor's degree in Finance, and a master's degree in Systems Engineering. I endured something I hated and resented all my life, going to school. But I "went out of my comfort zone", "became uncomfortable", "I manned the fuck up", and I worked my way through college developing depression and mental health issues along the way. I went to school because the pressure society placed on me convinced me that this was the best thing for me to do. I took risk and I did hard labor jobs, breaking my back, dealing with the most toxic people and work environments. I'm now 33 years old and I make $32,000 a year before taxes and expenses and live in a small house in the middle of the nowhere in the South (armpit of America), and I'm fucking stuck here, to move out of here I pretty much have to sell everything and become homeless, which I have been homeless twice before. I have no community here, there is no thriving for me, there is no I can trust in this look out only for yourself culture. I'm so pissed off of how everything is going. I thought maybe something is wrong with me, then maybe it's because I'm Latino, then maybe because people are just jealous. But no, I hear more and more stories of people in the same boat as me. I wish I never went to college, it drained my soul, spirit, any drive and dreams I had out the fucking window. I've applied to thousands of jobs, and I still can't get one entry level professional job. I hate it when I hear boomers talk shit about millennials. I just don't see the point in taking a risk anymore when I've taken so many risks and paid for some many classes to learn a new skill and all it does it lead me nowhere. How about an institution promises me a job on a signed contract if I decide to take out a loan and risk the future of my life to be some corporate bureaucratic slave. We need a revolution; hard work gets you no where. I run circles around most people when it comes to productivity and the people that get ahead and become the leaders are the narcissists, the swindlers, the thieves, the trust fund babies, the upper class, the liars. The chances of a person like me born in the working class to move up into a higher class in so small that the risk is not worth the reward. I want family, I want to contribute to my community, I want to leave a legacy, but ain't nothing here for me to do so. I invest and I save, I pinch pennies and I apply to jobs but it gets me nowhere. Certifications don't mean shit either. Why should I get a certification in something I already know when I have a college degree. Down with the system man! Fuck formalities, fuck faith, fuck "just pick up yourself up by the bootstraps", fuck school, fuck work.
I feel your pain brother. There has to be a way out, u might have to get yourself out of the environment your in, research employment opportunities in other states with companies that will give u support and appreciate your skills
wish you the best man, keep your head up and know there's always more in life to experience,
Holy shit thats so depressing. My co worker and friend has a degree in finance from SF state. I have no degree (yet , im going to ASU right now) we both work in mortgage though and I make more than he does by about 15k a year. Our system is so unrecognizable at this point
There is always a way out brother. Don’t give up. Don’t even consider giving up. I’m also Hispanic and I was a complete loser at 25. Unemployed with a pregnant gf and living with her family. Low point of my life.
But I turned it around. I was given an opportunity and I didn’t waste it, sure i wasn’t making much money, but I took the experience and kept jumping jobs and now at 36 i live comfortably.
And I barely got a high school diploma, so if an idiot like me can do it, so can you.
Downsize, live with family, whatever it takes to save some money and then apply for jobs in a more prosperous state. I recommend Texas.
He points to the pandemic when wages went up slightly but prices on everything else sky rocketed as this evidence that paying ppl more doesn't work, which is insane
One of the main reasons for this crisis is a perceived lack of purpose... if men (or anyone for that matter) feel like they don't have a purpose they are more likely to fall into despair. How many times in our modern culture do we hear "You don't need a man for X". With the sidelining of men from their traditional roles that stretch back to the origins of humanity (being protectors and providers among other things) we are consciously or subconsciously pulling the supports out from under them. Since a cultural change back to the evolutionary reason for men is unlikely, we need to stand up other opportunities that give men a strong sense of accomplishment and purpose.
I understand that point and I agree, everyone needs purpose and dreams. But I can't get myself to feel bad for men beeing robbed of their "traditional roles". For century's woman had no choice in life's they had to marry and than be housewife's. For century's the only job they could dream of was mother. For century's there was no sense of accomplishment and no dreams for woman. I can't feel sorry for woman talking back their independence and choosing not to rely on man for providing something. It's also ironic how people, especially man, cry about "golddiggers" in 1 breath and than cry about beeing robbed of their role as "provider" in the next. I think man and woman alike have suffered in the last year's, with the pandemic, the war in Ukraine and all the potential threats that come with it, the climate crisis etc. We live in difficult times and it's hard for anyone to find fulfillment or purpose. I wish every young and not so young, woman and man out there that you find your fulfillment in life. Be it activism or starting a career as a painter or going to law school. I wish you all the best.
Maybe we should start telling men: "You don't need a woman for X." Seems like women are getting the message that they can find purpose in fulfilling their own personal life dreams and goals. Are men still getting the message that they NEED a wife and kids? Also, not sure that returning women to the primary role of "housewife" and prioritizing "you NEED a husband" as the main goal in life is the answer.
@@alinac5512 Yet in the dating market women still assume men should be the breadwinners. And this is consistent throughout the world in every society so its not just a cultural issue. So some level of traditional role is still expected of men, but no longer from women. Thats just the harsh reality of it. Simplest solution to this would be to fix the job market so men can find steady full-time jobs and afford a house mortgage, thus becoming "breadwinners" in women's eyes.
@@Meitti eh, no. In my society (European country, just look at Sweden or Germany) men certainly aren't expected to be the breadwinner. I have a mother and a stepmother and both of them worked full time for as long as I can remember. It's certainly expected of man to have some kind of drive, ambition and structure but that's just basic wishes for any partner, noone wants a partner that just wants to do nothing all day. It's not about beeing a breadwinner but a grown-up.
And your suggestion is terrible, you are seriously suggesting to exclude woman from jobs and make them dependant on man. That's the worst garbage I've heard in a long time.
@@alinac5512 And I'm finnish and thats certainly the case in Europe as well. Women do not date jobless men. The majority of childless people in Finland are single men living in poverty line thanks to inconsistent work or joblessness, as per studies of both universities of Turku and Helsinki have concluded. The fact you call all men in poverty "childish" already proves my point perfectly. You hold men in poverty in contempt, you think theres something severely wrong with them. Men are much more ready to date jobless women than vice versa, thats just a simple fact.
And nowhere did I say that women should be excluded from work, you can kindly quit putting words in my mouth. Read the text again: Solution is to not put women back in their old roles, solution is to bring back full-time jobs for men. All the other problems within man's life tends to get fixed the moment he gets a steady job that allows him to get a mortgage. Man with a full-time job is no longer "childish" or worthless in eyes of women like you.
Sadly because so many people hold the twisted man-hating attitudes as you do, this problem won't be fixed anytime soon.
Any job I’ve ever had ranging from food services to warehouse work to construction I was always one of the hardest workers, with a reliable and consistent level in quality of production. Did that ever get me anywhere? Yeah it got me to where I was expected of that day in and day out while coworkers, some potentially being higher paid, were not expected to do that. In my anecdotal experience hard work isn’t rewarded in the average job and if you want your level of effort to matter you need to work for yourself. Small businesses need to be a higher priority in this country. The old American dream of get a job, work hard, and have a family and a house is exactly that a “dream” your told to aspire towards. It’s a carrot at the end of the stick and nothing more.
Same experience. Consistently went above and beyond and all I ever got was more work. Grocery stores, office clerical, and then IT. I DID spook my IT director into a 25% raise (still dramatically underpaid but they allowed a good schedule while I finished university) because when my manager asked me how I would celebrate graduating community college, I told him "I'm going to update my resume." I didn't mean I was going to look for another job, though I should have. I was just proud of having that education cred that I could add on. They outsourced me like 9 months later. I finished my BS in both Econ and Math and never got a job since. It's been almost 12 years since my last job and almost 10 since I graduated. It's just not worth it.
That hit home for me big time.
Yep I've had the same experience. Only to get passed over for promotions by an affirmative action hire that shows up late everyday or flirts with upper management
I feel like half the time I’m the kind of guy they’re describing. I only have to work part time, because I’m getting a good deal on rent, I keep my food budget low, and I basically don’t spend money on anything else. I do spend some time taking care of a friend who has mental health issues, but other than that I basically spend my time on RUclips and streaming services. I’ll go on a hike or something on good days, but that’s basically it
It just doesn’t seem like there’s much to contribute to, America seems to be mostly about funneling even more wealth to rich people. And humanity as a whole seems to be racing towards self destruction in multiple ways as quickly as possible
I am aware that this is an unhealthy lifestyle though, I’m planning to move away next year and will start working full time then
So you haven’t had a girlfriend in 5 years and have two friends that live the same way you do?
Not even saying that insultingly, just seems copied and pasted on so many dudes I know
@@wurdofwizdumb1928 I think the point is that it’s a fairly common modern trend. Personally I’m currently in a 3 year relationship, and have mostly lost contact with my old friends. But yeah, I imagine at least a few of them are in similar situations
@@wurdofwizdumb1928 I do the same thing and have for the last 5 years likely haven't seen a 36-hour work week in this period. I began learning how to trade currencies and now find myself in a position where my side gig is making far more money. I worked in a bank prior to this it was super fucking cringy and it made me hate myself. I now make more so than what would have happened at a bank and my income cap isn't even close to being hit. It sucked at first putting myself in abject poverty but overall it's fully worth it now.
Ah. You discovered that it is not how much you make but how much you spend. The oligarchs have achieved their goal of hypnotizing all of us into an over consumption matrix where nothing matter by material wealth and you can never get enough of it. WE all need to live more simply and screw that damn people that want to one up you because they have more wealth and stuff.
I don’t really go to church but did when I was a kid. Honestly been giving some thought about going back. I went for the first time in years (not a stuffy one) and it felt good. I know some churches can be judgmental or weird so I just watched online first.
For me, it’s hard to romanticize the conditions for previous generations without also appreciating the importance of family and church then.
He pronounced Saagar "cigar" lmao
Thought I was the only one who caught that.
Haha I didn't catch that, but that's funny!
Heh 🤣
Because he saw Saagar blaze it
Hahaaaaa! I remember laughing at that and I totally forgot! Lol
Traditionally you are motivated to work to provide for your wife and children. 🤔 I wonder what changed...
I like how you just sees this as a “motivation to work” problem… that’s a typical brainwashed consumerist way of looking at this issue.
So you wouldn't be working if you didn't have zero choice in the matter besides that or "abandon your family."
Wow, Americans sure do a great job at making their jobs sound awesome! So awesome that you'd literally never do it unless you were forced to.
Passion, ambition, dreams, guess Americans got rid of those at some point too.
Agree. It was hilarious watching this guy squirm and avoid answering the question of what changed around 1965. It was the pill. There are many studies showing that married men work longer hours and earn more money. Many men today see no hope of having a traditional family with a wife and kids. If you have no chance of a stable family then why work to pay taxes to support single mothers and their kids? Men are withdrawing their labor for entirely rational reasons.
I don't think that's a tradition. Traditionally you work so you don't a) don't starve and die and b) to pursue something you're interested in or passionate about. Only people who care about propriety are concerned about being seen as a provider for a family.
@@YourMom-cu8yt Why else would you work?
The evil and dishonesty of our society has been on display since the Vietnam war.
I'm a recreational cannabis user with two college degrees. My degrees are totally useless and whatever jobs I qualify for that (barely) pay over minimum wage demand a "zero tolerance" drug policy. I don't get high at work, I enjoy it after my work is done but that still isn't good enough for their goofy purity tests. The jobs that don't test are awful, thankless jobs that don't pay enough for anything and will cut hours at any time without warning. Working people are treated like shit. I ditched my apartment and am now homeless. I still work but have no intention of finding housing. What's the point when my employer can cut my hours in half whenever they want and I'm stuck with rent I can't afford? It sucks waking up in a tent but at least I'm not a slave to some slumlord and contanstly chasing after more shitty jobs I hate just to pay rent. And now I can enjoy my cannabis like the free man I am. Society sucks, it should be no surprise the working class is dropping out. Why women are staying in more probably has to do with single motherhood and (from what I've noticed) they tolerate more shit than men do. Why that is I'm not sure, I'm not a psychologist. But I know women feel the same way, working people are fucking miserable everywhere.
does your employer test you for drugs? If you don't show up high to work I don't see how you get caught
You're brave to drop out of society.
I've thought about dropping out and living in the woods for awhile now. I did it a couple times. Once for a summer in the mountains. I drove into to town to work for shit I wanted and once at a campground for the summer
The drug test thing is bullshit. I've been told several times that I was supposed to be tested prior to employment and it actually happened one time. The first company I worked at, they would only conduct random drug tests right before layoffs and only on the people they had on their radar for layoff. I never got selected. If I had, I would have told them they fucked up bad, and that I'll be back in an hour to clean my desk off.
@@zeusvalentine3638 Have you ever taken a drug test? Your comment doesnt make any sense.
The title says Men in crisis... and NO! We're not in crisis! We're just happy to finally be wide awake and smell the coffee!
They promote women 24/7 in the media, and movies and down men are very chance they get
bingo
I'm literally about to lose my income because of these issues. In my profession we used to make 85% commission. For doing 99% of the work. Now we're at 50% commission for doing 99% of the work. And there's talk of us getting under 50% now it will bankrupt from our industry. The corporate overlords don't care they're doing it because they can they have all the power
I'm 39 and in August myself and many others were let go as the large company was not doing as well as they'd want. Their words were, "we are still profitable" but apparently not in a way they'd want to help their employees do better.
Anyway ever since i've been working at 21 I have worked non-stop and quite often multiple jobs at one point I was doing 3 jobs a week and sleeping at one of them before or after my shift if I could float the time.
Currently I was suggested to look at other jobs/go back to school and frankly I don't want to do any of it. All I want to do is drive away and live one big journey till I either find myself, run out of funds and/or get tired of it all then end it.
Hang on man, you'll make it.
39 is still young to learn a new skill! You can easily change your life for the better in 1 year.
@@blkghostxx I know, have done it a number of times. Having held different jobs, have licenses for forklifts, worked in restaurants, done sales, been a teacher, etc. etc. Frankly I'm exhausted from having to try and keep up and it amounting to nothing but spinning my wheels.
Don't let fear of the unknown and uncertain keep you in a self destructive rut. You're clearly self aware enough to know you're not on a sustainable path. So rather than choosing to run, why not choose a path where you are happy?
Easier said than done, but I've been where you are. I working 70-100 hour/week on a "40hr" salary. Stuck in a toxic relationship, and stuck in a rut of despair with no where to go but down.
I randomly ran into an old friend and about 15min into our conversation, they looked at me with love, sadness, and empathy and said "I can't believe how much you've changed. I never thought I would hear YOU say that you're "not enough" and are "too stupid to figure it out." What happened to you?"
That shook me to my core. I went home and took stock of my life and I finally allowed myself to say that I was choosing to stay miserable because I was scared of taking a chance to be happy...
A few months later, I changed industries and started a new career, ended my toxic relationship of 10 years, and promised myself I would always bet on myself and never allow myself to let the comfort of 'familiar despair' stop me from taking a chance to have a better life.
That was 3 years ago and I am a new man
I'm so much happier, healthier, accomplished, and fufilled. That empty ache in my chest has been replaced by confidence and the excitement of new opportunities. I recently got engaged to an angel, started my own business and and have gotten more out of the past 3 years than the prior 10. Yes, it's scary, and hard, and you will mess up, but the satisfaction and accomplishment I feel makes it worth it.
Sorry for getting preachy, but I genuinely hope you begin living the life you 1000% deserve.
@@IceBroncos86 I applaud you for that kind and wonderful comment.
Women can do everything a man can so have at it. Keys are in the truck, hook up the tool trailer and go get that house built…
You wanted it, you got it.
Now go pee 6 foot up that wall🤣...what? You can’t?...then i guess women can’t do everything a man can 🤣
Building houses isn't all that hard. Women definitely already do that. Make them pick up the trash and see them squirm though.
Talk about a non-sequitur...even with all those jobs filled by men, it still leaves a lot of men out of the workforce.
@@thealternative9580 I work as a delivery driver. Just today I drive through a new home development that’s still under construction. Lots equipment and workers all over the place. I didn’t see one female.
@@thealternative9580 Every job site ive been on has been all male
I’m 30 haven’t worked since 24 couldn’t find a job for 2 years so stopped trying. Really don’t care anymore
He forgot to mention how stupidly horrible the process of getting a job is. You get rejected, sometimes don’t even get told, goto useless interview, orientation. After all that takes a month. People want to get started right away. They nitpick based on who you are rather then what can you do or what you know. I don’t blame them when their hope is being stripped piece by piece.
I went to a good college, I did well in some marketable degrees, I even followed it up with grad school. In my later years of college I’d start looking for job opportunities and the search felt so miserably pointless. As I kept failing to find anything to justify my time in college, the mounting stress finally got to me. I dropped out of my grad program with months to go and I’ve pretty much just been depressed at home ever since. My health problems keep accumulating and none of the doctors I see ever really help me. I’m 26, I’ve been like this for years now and it’s hard to see any way it’ll ever get better. Things like school and work just chew you up and spit you out and then make you feel like it’s your fault. There are no real systems set up to actually help people, just some expensive “experts” who are trying to push you back into being a good little worker regardless of if your issues are solved.
You’re not alone.. and being 26 means you have a great and full life ahead of you bud.
Fight back. Everyday… everyday..
Lift weights, work on interviews and look for jobs, you WILL find one. I’ve failed many interviews, more than you ever will, but i kept doing them and got a good job. You have to fight back and get out of the hole. You’re not alone.
Brother, I get it. I've been there. I graduated from grad school into the great recession. I was basically permanently depressed because I had to legally hustle and gig work with a graduate degree and resulting school loans, just to scrape out a mediocre, higher end of poverty existence. It took 7 years to get an opportunity where I worked exceptionally hard to turn a few contract gigs with the same company into a full time job. I'm now a homeowner and a landlord with a rental and stock portfolio. Hopefully it won't take you as long to get an opportunity. It absolutely sucks, but you can break through if you keep chipping away at it. Just don't give up. "If you look around and find yourself going through hell, don't give up and stay there, keep going."
I dropped out of grad school for Stats because I knew it wouldn't pan out, no matter how hard I'm told that the country is desperate for skilled and educated math people for analysing data. No one was going to hire me. I had interviews while in grad school and I was told either I didn't have any experience, or that I would "stay only for a couple years and switch jobs for more pay." I got the message and gave up.
You're hopeless
What’s your field and could you still return to your degree?
I graduated highschool and went to work. Took a few crappy jobs before I learned a skill (phlebotomy). I became an expert. Pandemic happens, get called a hero and thrown into the fire at the height of the panic. When I refused to take the Covid jab I was essentially run out of the healthcare industry. I’m 38 and I’ve already dumped 16 years into the health care field learning skills I will never use again or be able to teach someone else because I don’t have the Covid jab
Fucking disgusting what happened to you. I hope you are doing better.
Thanks for standing up for our rights dude
Man, it’s almost like people don’t wanna work traditional 9-5 shit jobs for shit wages. So weird how, when you don’t increase wages with the cost of living for 25 years straight, that happens.
It's definitely hard out there. I have a full time federal job and I have a cleaning business (sole employee) that i work every night and weekends.
I've been doing this for 7 years and despite all that the only way I've found to get ahead is to live with my parents. It's definitely demoralizing.
@@user-bp6fd9ve3o thanks! I scaled back a bit this year on the labour intensive stuff. The rest is.still going strong but i noticed my stress reduced like 80%
I workd in construction for 10 years and followed the older guys advice to stay single and invest my money. I am glad I followed the advice they gave me now I don't have to work anymore.
Exactly. Work smart invest and retire early.
Hard works hurts and doesn't pay off. Been working as an emergency plumber for years and I am essentially broke. 2020 destroyed my savings and credit, my local bank screwed me, and I can't recover in this economy. And looking into the future owning a house looks to be out of the question. A sharp contrast from where I was in 2017-2018.
Guys might’ve been resilient to their problems but at some point, it all catches up. Seems to be that time.
I can tell you what they're watching:
They're watching the world burn 🔥
Retiring at 55 was always the plan. I told everyone at work the year before I quit. Nobody believed me. 4 states. 4 different plants closings. All because of greed. We never had kids because of it. I had a job with a great deal of responsibility. I remember the day I put my company phone down. Left everything at my desk. And walked out on my 55 birthday. I never said a word. I was done. 39 years was enough.
Amazing. Just curious, did anyone call you or did you just receive the usual termination letter?
I was a freshly minted Ph.D in 1990 in Michigan. I was academic staff at four schools with no tenure track opportunities for white males. We were paper screened. I was a Viet Nam Era vet and that was a question on the applications. I called the vets administration and they said not to put that on my resume. It was a category that was kept track of but NOT an affirmative action category. As a matter of fact, it was a negative at a university. This has been going on for way more than 20 years! Some of this started with the bumbling father in many of the comedy shows. I really don't care for your pity. Move on. I'm retired and have no debt. God is good.
True. But this generation is different. They are not hardened like we are. The need direction because our leadership has failed our next generation. They don’t know how to take pain without contemplating suicide in some cases. This is not good for our society when you have a critical mass of weak men!!!!
Everybody Loves Raymond, Home Improvement, King of Queens; all huge shows that portrayed men as bumble idiots unable to walk the dog and terrified of their wives.
I wonder how much women not wanting to have kids plays into this? My last few girlfriends/partners had zero interest in having kids even in my early 20's (I'm 40) girls did not want to have kids and the ones I'm still in contact with never had kids with the exception of 2 who almost couldn't get pregnant as they waited until they were in their mid 30's and needed help actually getting pregnant. He said men with families and children were more involved in the work force, I think that's a big reason as raising kids gives purpose is purpose.
Kids give men a need to have a job that offers health insurance. Without kids, it's much easier to get by working for cash or selling drugs.
It's not a purpose It's a obligation that traps you in place.
children are a waste of time.
Life without work, is my favorite book.
The 2008 crash was a golden age for me. I moved to NJ to qualify for $600/week unemployment, and completed a Finance degree online (Cum laude). I don't smoke, drink, use drugs, and baby mommas, no rap sheet or tickets.
Listen up, guys: meaningless, unethical work is your path to salvation! The empire loves you and wants only the best for you!
I'm one of these men he's talking about. In fact it started in 2016 when my parent had a stroke and I had to quit my job to take care of them. We lived off their social security. When she passed, I inherited some money, I have extended medicare and I just have no need to go back to work. So I disagree with Krystal who says "I see no motivation to not seek work if you get benefits", that's crap. My last job had NO health care. I worked 5 years with no health insurance. I am incentivized thanks to Extended Medicare to NOT WORK in order to have good health care. Obamacare is good and bad. Bad if you're employed, good if you're not.
I can shed light on why men are like this. I was in tech and then the H1Bs came in. It seems like the government doesn't want me to work. After years of school and hard work, the gov't allowed companies to hire foreigners in my own back yard for tech jobs. I then worked in a call center, which eventually was moved to Asia. I worked in another call center doing the exact same job, making 30% of what I had been making, with no time off and no health care.
Being over 40, 50% of jobs are no longer viable. Companies will blatantly tell you that you're TOO OLD. If you're not on welfare, good luck getting retail jobs like Target who get gov't incentives to hire people on welfare and veterans.
I never got married and never want to. So I've saved my whole life, have a home and savings. So I can live without working. I have no kids nor wife to pay for.
So here I am, waiting for Social Security with enough money to get by because my cost of living is next to nothing. With good health insurance, discounts on internet, heat and electric. It seems like my only option is go work at effing McDonalds or wait on SS.
Im similar. Once you own your own house, living expenses drop to almost nothing. And there are so many houses in tesub $10k range all over the country. Hard not to take advantage of
Damn.. very least you got the house and some steady change coming in monthly.
Covid showed people u don't need a high income
I'm in university studying for the degree in human resource management. A part of the curriculum is the Age Discrimination in Employment Act of 1967 it is a labor law that forbids employment discrimination against anyone 40 years of age and older.
@@chrislisenby2681 Make sure to make them pay when you do get the opportunity
I had an incident that put me in a bad state mentally back in 2020 and have not been able to return to work since. I've tried but it's hard when I can't be outside the house for more than twenty minutes and have panic attacks. I view myself as a failure and deal with the thoughts of suicide all the time. I have a seven-year-old daughter who is one of the main reasons I am sticking around as long as I can.
Bobby, I'm terribly sorry about that. I know I can't help with words but may the Universe guide you to a better place.
Hang in there. I'm in a very similar situation with health issues and a 13 year old son. Life is hell and at this point my biggest motivating factor is to not help hold up this horrible world in the hopes it falls and my son has better options than I have in whatever rises from the ashes.
Sorry to hear that.
I had a panic attack from drug use one time that was so bad that I had to go on disability and took months to recover from.
Burn out is real. I’m sitting in that rough period. Worked in a trade for 15 years. Became self employed. There is little to no assistance for health care. Insurance is a scam. Now that my body has chronic physical pain, and struggling mentally, I agree with much of the info here. On top of that I’ve been on an anxiety/ depression med did years, which I don’t believe are having a positive impact at this point.
Self employed is not good because med insurance is OUT OF CONTROL. The oligarchs have made it so. It is called a 3rd party payer system so their is NO downward price discovery because there is no competition for med services. So, the freaking corps just keep raising the prices until even the premiums are too expensive. The rich leadership running these organization and government are just too greedy and lack morals and standard humanity.
White guy here. I've had recruiters turn me down recently because they said their clients are looking for "more diverse candidates". So that's just my experience.
Same....
Illegal in my country. Mind boggling that it's allowed in the US.
That's been happening everywhere for decades.
It’s too hard to get hired and for shit wages, why work hard anymore
Work for Fedex, they stay hiring white guys.
I'm a 28yo man, college graduate and have only worked at one company since I graduated. I left after 5 years because I felt that no matter what I did I couldn't get into a role/pay that would make me stay for the amount of work hours (frequent 4am wakeups, expected to keep working into the day + weekends etc.) that the business wanted from me. I also felt that my leaders singled me out and actively tried to get me to leave when I informed them about my chronic illness while actively trying to deal with side-effects and continuing to work as best I could. After leaving, I've mostly been at home 'observing' like you say in the video while also still trying to make ends meet and trying to find a new job that doesn't treat my chronic illness as a taboo. A job that pays well enough to justify the amount of education I've taken to get here and that helps pay for my frequent hospital bills.
Can definitely relate. I have a decent amount of education, beyond a bachelor's. I'm taking a job driving for Amazon because there just isn't anything in "my wheelhouse" that will take me after months of looking and being out of the workforce. The bills need paying and "observing" doesn't cut it hey?
Look into the medical industry. It covers a lot of different fields.
What state do you live in? What kind of degree do you have? What is your illness?
@@four-en-tee I was in medical school. No dice. While there are many jobs available in the medical industry, it is not as easy to get into the industry as one may think. The industry is so thoroughly divided into well defined roles, each with its own specific set of requisite skills, each stemming from a sharply defined pathway of entry, that trying to come at the jobs in the medical industry from a non-standard pathway is just unlikely. I'm living that right now.
@@TurdFurgeson571 I'm a CNA. The next step in my state is becoming a CMA, a certified medication assistant. Passing out meds, basically. You can't go for it until you've been a CNA -- at lousy wages -- for at least a year. And even then only if you can get sponsorship and pay the $1600 course fee plus take enough time off work to do it. And the $170 test fee, and the overnight hotel and gas to get to often distant places to test. The wage increase will be minimal. The next step, becoming a LPN or perhaps RN, is tricky because the number of applicants FAR exceeds the number of openings for students. And the cost is $22k even just for an LPN. So I will have to try to pick up other random certifications to have a better shot at becoming a nurse. And this will all take time and money, if it works at all. So while I think there is a possible path, there may not be an actual one for me. And I'll be paid quite poorly all the while. It's a road, but a rough and uncertain one indeed.
This problem combined with an aging population is going to be a real bummer
I am already prepared for aging and I am only age 47 😂
Seriously, I have taken steps to make life more simple & comfortable
I graduated college in 2008, right into the great recession. Finding work was impossible. I had the same minimum wage job that I had during college for several years after graduating.
I applied, applied, applied, went into offices, called into places, went to conventions, everything I could think of, but I never got any interviews. A few years later a friend of mine got me an interview with the company he was working at and I got the job.
For several years I worked my butt off, learning everything I could, putting in overtime every week, but in the end I got fired because the woman who took over didn't like me.
After that the D.I.E. initiative was in full swing and I realized that getting a job that didn't involve asking if you'd like fries with that was just a dream. I've given up hope of ever having a career or meaningful job again.
You should consider getting a certificate from community college and then possibly an apprenticeship.
You have the option to work employed, self employed or small business owner as a handyman, renovator, plumber, HVAC, electrical, software, carpenter, welder, tool maker, machinist etc. Be creative, unconventional and never give up!!
@@alexsmith-ob3lu Trade work isn't for everyone. I know myself well enough to know that I would not be a good tradesman. I worked in construction for several years, starting as a data entry person, then moving into software and AR implementation, then QA/QC.
I LOVED the technical side of it, using software programs to update the completion models, things like that. However, the closer I got to the on the ground construction aspect, the less productive and useful I became.
2020 I reached 5 years at my aerospace job. 1 month later I was in the half that got laid off.
I was so happy. I hated that job. Especially the last year. They overworked us and I got to enjoy a year of unemployment.
1 year after my old boss asked if I would come back for more money. I took the offer. But the night before I rejected the offer and quit.
All my years of service and efficiency meant nothing when it came to the bottom line. Just another heartless corporation.
I took months of more unemployment rather than return to an abusive relationship.
In past generations, society was conditioned to stick with their situation. Whether it’s an failed marriage, shit job, or church.
Our generation refuses to accept that abuse and the economy will suffer because we have nothing to lose and aren’t stake holders anymore.
Let them burn
But we still have bills to pay
@@anuragchakraborty8766 most do. Don’t forget not everyone is equal.
Once men actually start getting paid for their work responsibly you can have all the conversations you want about their moral failings. Until then, to act like men should be doing the hard traditional work, much of which is no longer here, much of which is paying virtually nothing because we have been propping up pathetically run businesses fo 40 years....to prioritize addressing their moral failings first and foremost should be an utter disgrace to everybody involved.
In fact, apply this to any accusations of moral failings you have of ANY major demographic in this country.
The pandemic proved all the suspicions about work true. Most people don't need to work and produce nothing meaningful to society.
@@thealternative9580
Yeah, that's really what's behind the Great Reset. The elites are purposefully thinning the heard and decimating the middle class. The real problem that BP won't touch is that this is part of a larger agenda that's being driven by a group of international psychos.
@@thealternative9580 What the pandemic proved is that many businesses are propped up while providing nothing to society, and both those who need to work and those that need them to work are getting unnecessarily screwed for the profits of a few middlemen and decision makers who easily replaceable and heavily overcompensated for running businesses that can only exist by logistically guaranteeing worse working and living conditions for their employees.
I'm leaving my job in healthcare to be self-employed. Going to work has become soul crushing, clocking in and out at a certain time, getting paid little compared to everything else around me becoming more expensive.
Hang in there and stay strong. You’ll find what works for you, it takes time. And yes i know it can be soul crushing but believe it or not it looks like you are already learning and seeing what works for you in life.
Good luck, as someone who left self employment and went back to a regular job. The self employment taxes are oppressive, lack of health insurance sucks, and you can end up on a treadmill where it feels scary to take a day off because money will stop coming in. But there were a lot of positives, too.
Times have changed. I have a masters in journalism, went into tv news for a full time job at 19k a year, got fired for slow editing. then a recruiter contacts me. said she loves my demo reel. I give her the straight dope. she says no big deal. Then she's told by corporate they can't hire someone who was fired. boss was even gonna go to bat for me. now I'm screwed. but I have family money so I'm traveling the continent. if you don't have that, even in a supposedly "sexy" career, you work way over 40 hours, never break 25k and are never given a second chance. and then you leave the career field because you need to eat, or because traveling seems so much better. It's a different era, some of us are throwing up the middle finger if we still can because we're screwed every which way if we try
I'm unemployed. I've worked my rear off and got so burnt out juggling my low-wage job, helping raise our kid, and keeping up on the house. I finally had enough and decided to take a break. I doordash just enough to pay the mortgage and bills. Luckily, my partner works too, so it's not too bad financially. I worked while she took a mental health break. Now it's my turn. It's been a month, and I don't know if I ever want to go back to the 9-5 grind with all the unreasonable expectations and crummy bosses. I just don't see the point in trying anymore. I want to focus on what makes me happy and that's not working with the way things are now. Krystal is right. Why should I bother?
This dispair is rampant all over the westcoast of North America.
Keep talking about this stuff!
I've worked at the same company for over 15 years, and I get paid $16.00 an hour. Over those 15+ years the "owner(s)" of the company have taken $60,000 a month for themselves. These are owner(s) who don't have a hand in the day-to-day operations of the company. In fact, they live in a different city in the same state. There's a corporate side, and I'm sure they had/have a ceremonial position there. The corporate side is pretty much a management company, but they don't know how to manage the individual sites, they only know how to manage the management company. If anything goes wrong at any of the other places, they have to find someone from said places to do the actual work, because nobody in the corporate side knows how to do any of the individual jobs. So, basically the corporate side was set up to keep the majority of the money where they wanted it. The company was started by the grandfather/great grandfather (I forget which), so the people who own it now had to sacrifice nothing to make it happen. IT'S ALL A SCAM. Americans are addicted to easy money, and all of our systems are set up to facilitate that addiction. Where is my incentive to work? If I work harder, better, faster nothing changes for me. I'm incentivised, by the system put in place, to do the bare minimum. I'd be pissed, but I refuse to care about money and have given up on anybody ever even attempting to fix the systems.
You could've moved to another job and explored other careers.
@@vl8584Oh, good point, never thought of that in 15+ years. So smart.
@@erictobias9679 Atleast you realize it now. Never too late. All the best
I have been in and out of army reserves in uk for id say 6 years i did infantry and artillery, you would work a 2 week course 5am till 9pm and get £500 at end of it lol get me some sigs and beer and maybe a computer game, im glad i never went afgan.. whats the point, when people ask me what i do id tell them and they would say oh yourr a weekend warrior or not a real soldier lol made me feel like a c**t i recently joined up again just to get a driving licence and when i passed it i fuked off again, lol fuk em 😃🖐
I was married and worked 60 hours a week for 15 years strait. We never had kids even though we tried, wife divorced me recently and now I work 35 hours a week with a goal to try to work even less. My blood pressure has come down and stress levels plus I joined a Gym with my extra time. Ride a bicycle to work instead of a traffic commute and watch anime with all this extra time. I think independent woman are creating less drive in men, which is also creating higher happiness levels in men and lower levels in women. I have seen bunches of studies on these happiness levels over the years and now experienced it my self , I actually enjoy my ride into work.
Yeah man this guy is kind of goofy, working less is a good thing overall, we should strive for that. And finding meaning in your jorb often can be good but it comes with a lot of baggage that sucks, like you mentioned working 60+ hours per week to scrape by, F that, I would rather find meaning in eating worms.
Yeah there's nothing wrong with working just as much as you need and nothing more.
Sounds like u made out good bro... 💯👍
As a 50 yr old who has been a laborer for all my life. We can't afford insurance so most turn to self medication to make it through the day. Imagine how that works out. I've watched too many go down that path. So many other issues that need to be addressed. The bottom line is workers have been taken advantage of. No pay .. more work more hours. They always want a little more but never want to give little more.
well how much is the insurance vs how much do they pay to self medicate?
i think the self medicate is more of just how easy it is , where has paying ___ amount per month for insurance doesnt have an instant effect
100% agree. This guy sounded crazy. The problem lies with capitalism and how companies treat their workforce. Pay has not kept up with inflation in over 40 years. Yet we, in America, are expected to produce more and work harder every year. They are going to break the back of the workforce eventually. But will they care? Most likely not, they will just move their jobs over seas where people work for pennies a day. Our system would work great if it was not for greed. Funny how that ends up being the case. Worker co-ops are the most likely resolution to this. Everyone doing their job for a company they own a part in is a great way to keep a workforce paid well and working hard. Some companies give out stock options as gifts to their employees. This could be a decent option as well.
@@djphlange The average pay rate for truss shop workers in TN is $10 /hr .. insurance for 2 ppl no kids is about $125 .. with kids depends on how many they have. With 2 ppl at 40hrs has to pay about 1/3 of weekly pay just to insurance.
@@brianscott5172 why isn't that second person paying their share then?
@@djphlange Funny you have no issue with the ppl who build that roof that is over your kids head only making on average $10/hr. That is why me and most of the guys who know how to build them left the industry completely. The guys building your trusses now can barely tie there own shoes. In every shop there is max 2 ppl who know how to build. I've seen trusses fall apart while being loaded. The contractor's as far as on the builders side pushed all the old guys out for cheap imported labor. I wouldn't buy a house from any contractor, I would build my own. I currently own my own place but if I were to move I would build my own before trusting the contractor's we have today. Under paid and under appreciated.
I can make the same or more flipping burgers, why would I want to bust my ass for nothing more than saying I work hard. Did that for to many years and through to many injuries.
Anybody who wants to try it I hear every truss shed is hiring lol
Women will start caring when it's their sons. Probably not until that moment.
You think women care about their sons?
It's always been their sons...who else could it be?? The issue isn't a lack of women caring, it's a lack of understanding. They don't understand us, and now that they rule the world it's a huge problem.
It is their sons. I'm a working class person and a lot of woman I know who have both sons and daughters will expect and push their daughters to go to college/secondary education and coddle or make excuses for their sons. I've had multiple women justify this by saying "well at least they're not in a gang or in jail" while their daughters are nurses or scientists or other professionals and never had the option to hang around home for free after graduating high school. This is backed up by the numbers, more women are attending and graduating from college now and this gap is particularly stark in low income and working class communities and I've seen it throughout my life and though lived experience with friends, family members and coworkers.
@@janedoe4486 scientists huh? Lol
Don't be so sure. I told my mum I've got no intentions of seeing 30 and she just shrugged and said "your choice"
The one unspoken component to this issue. Women don't want to start families, and those that may, hold men to absurd standards in modern dating. This plays a huge role in the erosion of the American family, which was identified multiple times as a key factor in this presentation.
Lack of respect and villainization of men.
A lot of you deserve it.
Thank you, Krystal and Saagar, for sticking with this critical story.
I've not reported for work in the past 2 weeks. I'd been fighting for a decent living wage for the past year, appealing to management because there was a clear pay inequality which didn't make sense. I've come to a point where I've lost all the will to fight anymore as nothing has changed, and it's really hard finding a new job. Got nothing but a text from my team leader asking where I was. Ignored the message. They fear facing me head on because they know I'll bring out the wage issue. They can't threaten me with legal action because what they themselves have been doing is illegal. Imma sit it out till something happens. Meanwhile I've been finally taking strides in trying out a business idea I'd had for a while now. Also, focusing more on just reconnecting with family and friends, getting to do things I'd sacrifice doing for the sake of my so called career. It's not only an American issue. I'm a 26 year old South African living in one of the more developed parts of the country where everything is westernized
"Office Space", "Fight Club", "The Matrix" and now "The Big Lebowski"
Dude you just nailed the arc except one thing. Your forgot "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" as the first step. Also they all came out in 98 or 99....huh weird.
Leaving Las Vegas
I will never again work for any corporation. Ever. I will only work for myself.
It's too bad that corporate jobs are the only way most people in your position will have a chance at a decent retirement. This whole woke-don't-work-for-evil concept is going to result in a LOT of depressed and unprepared old people in 30 years.
The only pension programs are with government jobs.
@@orangechicken5479 I can vote money into my pocket buddy. You think that lasts after boomers runoff into the sunset the next 10 years?
@@orangechicken5479 wanna bet. Im 53 years old.
I left the workforce about 4 years ago. I decided to put my house up on Airbnb and rent it out. And me and my dogs live in a motor home and do lots of traveling. Life has never been better. My mental health is never been better my physical health has never been better
Sounds awesome! Glad things are good for you!
@@thealternative9580 thank you it was a big risk. I left a very stable career. But also in doing so I was able to create work for someone else. I was able to hire a lady down the street who worked for Molly Maid to clean between my guests and generally manage the property while I'm gone. She has now quit Molly Maid because she now makes more money and working less hours working with me. now she has so much more time to spend with her family and her children.
@@thealternative9580 we feel this is worked out best for everybody. She's also told me about the big change in her family since she's been able to stay home more. Her children are doing better in school her husband and herself have lost weight. And a whole bunch of General Stress and Anxiety seem to have wafted out of their household.
@@michaelrac9556 awesome
Men work hard to improve their status and gain access to women. It's almost all we care about until we have children to provide for. If working hard fails to improve access to quality mates, we will stop working.
I'd even say if a guy doesn't get some modest advances in his early work years after about 10-15 years it is likely he will drop out of the system.
What an incredible delusion… as if we don’t have bills to pay, and a mouth to feed.
Self preservation is a strong instinct without a wife and children. Single men work so they can survive. Finding a mate is definitely a biological imperative but the absence of a spouse should not bring one to stop working unless that person is mentally unwell.
@@acetate909 Yes, but men require much less to just survive. Remember the meme about men being happy with a small apartment with a good view and no furniture beyond a folding chair and a large TV? Throw in a sports car or a nice truck and most guys would be fine with that if it wasn't for dating/family.
@@djangomarine6658
That's probably mostly true but even a minimalist lifestyle requires some kind of income to sustain. Unless someone is completely supported by their parents, spouse, or the state, they still need to work. Claiming that men will refuse work unless it leads to finding a mate goes against basic self preservation instincts that most men have.
I think the timeline corresponds to loss of industry. Graph the loss of industry next to male drop out culture and I bet there is a strong correlation. Most men don’t make great customer service representatives.
Right a lot of guys are kind of grouchy and anti people in general. It's like telling coal miners and truck drivers to code. Sure for a few it will be a fit but the rest like come on man...
Also coincides with the sexual revolution.
@@ExplosiveBolts lol
All my customers loved me when I worked grocery stores but that was never enough to get a customer service job. Maybe I was gender discriminated against.
Definitely a major issue in our current society. I've been on disability the last 8 years due to 3 failed back surgeries. I had another procedure recently and looking into potential employment is a little unsettling given the current state of our economy.