Poland & Lithuania: A Centuries-Old Love-Hate Relationship
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- Опубликовано: 6 авг 2022
- After very briefly examining the relationship between Lithuania and Latvia, it only seemed appropriate to move on to our neighbour to the southwest: The country of Poland. The relationship between Lithuania and Poland is an interesting one. Sadly, it’s not one that is as brotherly as with Latvia. But when you look at the history of the two countries, things make a little more sense.
So, let’s unpack some of it in today’s video!
CORRECTIONS/CLARIFICATIONS:
1. Sejny is not majority Lithuanian; but apparently their numbers are undercounted/underrepresented. Inaccurate information was received on this topic.
2. Jadwiga is referred to in this video as a queen since she was the female ruler - as many other sources also state. However, others refer to her as a female king in the sense that she was the highest ruler.
Sources:
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www.dw.com/en/lithuania-put-t...
www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english...
www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english...
www.lrt.lt/en/news-in-english...
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I am from Poland and never in my life I heard that somebody is talking badly about people of Lithuania. I think we have a big respect for Lithuanians and an element of love because together in the past we were amazing. Moreover, I dont support any kind of war but in my opinion Lithuania should have whole Kaliningrad. I see Lithuanians and Ukrainians and Slovaks and Czechs as brothers. And maybe Hungarian people but recently I am affraid of their relationship with Russia....
As a Hungarian i can assure you that not all of us are pro Russian on the contrary. do not confuse the Hungarian people with our corrupt leadership, glory to the Ukrainian people.
@@thecyberdork776 ❤
Just want to say, I love Poland and the Polish people, much love from the UK ❤
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In Polish society the love for Hungarian nation was extremly very visible very often since forever. It was something amaizing. When I was young kid, I was many times in Hungary for holidays. Your swimmingpools are the best. And I rremember well how Hungarians were treating Polish People. I remember one old man sitting somewhere in the center of Miskolc and when he heard that we are Polish he started to showing love to Poland.
For Polish people history is the most important thing, to not let it happend again. We were destroyed, betrayed and killed. (I know what tragedy happened to Hungary because of Treaty of Trianon). Im sure the love of Polish people to Hungarian people will not be destroyed. But if Poland will see any kind of love, closer friendship with Russia it will be like a national knife stuck in the back. We will love you anyway, but this love will be transformed into wounded one. Everybody has right to have its own policy, diplomacy. Moreover I know how depended Hungary is if we are talking about energetic resources. But still Russians are murdering people. Still 4 milion of Ukrainian mothers and children had to escape to Poland. What is interesting, the right-wing Polish government is now trying to talk little about Hungary, very a little, but anyway the right wing people are conscious. két jó barát, együtt harcol, s issza borát
As Lithuanian I see Poland as brothers and allies. What heapened bad in the past between us is forgotten. I am proud that we had Commonwealth.
In my eyes i see Poles as good people.Greetings from Lithuania🇱🇹🤝🏻🇵🇱🇺🇦
I am from Poland and whole my life I had Lithuania in my heart. Like a family. And I would literaly cry if Russia do something to hurt you. Moreover, I would support truly and with all my heart helping you if Russia invaded you. And if you had to escape your own country I would open my house for you. From mine Polish perspective, for Poland family is Lithuania, Ukraine, Slovakia, Czech, (but I dont like their relationships with Germany), and Hungary ( but recently I am very affraid of their relationship with Russia, I AM SHOCKED), UK and USA.
And vice versa 🙂
…glöm inte Lettland och Sverige 🇱🇻🇸🇪
Greetings from Russia
@@theguywhoasked3096 Matushka Rassija. Pozdrowienia dla braci Rosjan! 🇷🇺🇵🇱
I'm Polish and I never thought bad about Lithuanians. I always dreamed to visit Vilnius, more than countries like Egypt or Spain. I don't know any Pole, who tells rude things about Lithuania..
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I was studying with lituanian people for 4 years and this is the most bad time in my life. They hate poles and always try to cheat or offend you. I met also good lituanian people but they are minority.
Vilnius is deffo worth visiting. Its a really cool city. Well, its also worth to note that Vilnus (or Wilno if you like) was one of the most important cities for Poland/commonwealth throughout its history.
As for actual Lithuanian people - they dont seem any different than Poles if you ask me xd... I mean surely there are Lithuanians who dont like Poles but ffs, there are also plenty of Poles who hate like Ukrainians, Germans, Russians etc. These resentiments
@@stasiek1859 Jesteś botem ?. Odpowiedz.
@@zhangzy123 Mariusz, jak się czujesz? Odpowiedz.
Lithuanian here.
I think that both nations, Lithuanians and Poles, are taught differently about our common history schools, which is a common phenomenon in the world. A distinction must be made between PLC and later times. The biggest pain for Lithuanians was the Polish-Lithuanian war in 1919, which caused great damage to the relations between the two nations. Big mistakes were made on both sides, the consequences of which, historically, are somewhat felt today.
As some Lithuanians wrote here there are some pro-Russian party in Lithuania who presents themselves as representatives of the Polish minority in Lithuania, but it should be seen only as Russia's efforts to prevent the Lithuanian and Polish peoples from coming closer to each other.
Nevertheless, I am happy that politicians from both countries have started to strengthen the relationship between the two nations. I think the big historical mistake was the separation and war between the two nations. Personally, I have nothing against the Poles. On the contrary, as many Poles as I have met, we all got along very well and were proud of our great common past. There is no disrespect or hatred between us, only friendship.
I respect Poland, and its people and I would like the relations between the two nations to be closer, forgetting the historical grievances and creating a strong alliance between the two countries.
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Firstly, it is the responsibility of Lithuania and in its interest that the city of Poland in Lithuania should have such a status that no Russian agent would win her over for his cause. As a Pole, I am not afraid of the Polishness of my compatriots in Lithuania. But I believe that Lithuanians should care for their Polishness as much as Poles. Because in perspective you still have to choose "" Russian brothers. "Greetings from Polska and all the best from brothers from Poland.
Political alliance of the Polish minority with Russian minority is the effect of prosecution of that minorities in Lithuania. It will be very difficult to break off that alliance after 31 year of violent discrimination and very harsh treatment. Base on experience and the most recent history, it would be very stupid on the side of the Polish minority to exit out of that alliance.
Agree, brother.
@@rebuzz6866 Mate, you literally have no idea what you are talking about.
These people are not Polish. The true Polish people in Vilnius region do not align themselves with these people.
Please look up "Waldemar Tomaszewski" and "Zbignew Jedinskij". They run this so called "Election Alliance of Poles and Russians", but in reality are nothing else than Russian agents.
These two people literally speak Russian, wear the Koloradka (the black-yellow stripes that symbolise Russian agression in Ukraine), and Jedinskij has openly spoken out in support of Putin for his war in Ukraine. These people DO NOT SPEAK POLISH (they speak a sad mix of Russian, Belarussian and Lithuanian and consider it "Polish"), watch Russian TV programmes and support Putin. They literally have nothing to do with Poland.
This party has a criminal investigation launched against it in Warsaw because Poland donated money to them to encourage Polish culture. Guess what they did with that money? Oh yes: wasted it and laundered it :D.
It's sad that it seems Jedinski's facebook was blocked for hate speech so you can see for yourself just how "Polish" these clowns are.
The true Polish people in Vilnius actually hold high seats in the Lithuanian government and are in good relations with the people.
This is why your own government ignores this party: they have learned themselves that they are a joke.
Have you been to Šalčininkai/Solecznyky? The most Polish city in Lithuania? The entire region has signs in both languages, and has a huge ass "Welcome to Šalčininkai" sign in Polish. Polish people can use Polish letters in their passports and there are shitloads of Polish schools: what discrimination are you talking about? It's nothing but Kremlin's attempts to distance Lithuanians and Poles. It's a load of bullshit.
@@rytisliaucys3444 Because PL government was ignoring Polish minorities and for over 25 years, did nothing to help them out in dealings with Lithuanian governments, Polish and Russian alliance was created. Did you already forget, special units of Lutheran nationalist going around and taking down any signs in Polish? Did you forget about issuing heavy fines for Polish language in Public? Did you forget the reprivatization scams? Did you forget closing of Polish schools? Did you forget abut educational reforms? Did you forget about redesigning of election regions that way, so Poles won't hole majority votes? What PL government wasn't able to achieve in 25 years, the alliance did in a fraction of the time. This indicates that it would be stupid for Poles or Russians to dissolved that alliance. BTW, stripping Polish minority from the right to theirs own names is not over yet. Issue was referred to the Constitutional Court of Lithuania because: "Polish spelling of names is huge damage to the statehood and territorial integrity of Lithuania". Haw oppressive can you get??? Tomaszwevski and Jedzinski are not Polish, LMAO.
I`m Lithuanian and I love Poles🤍❤ Latvians are our ethnical brothers (even twin brothers) and poles are historical brothers.
@Adam Nieniewski The Baltic people are not slavs. Even if i do count them as Eastern European cuz they are located in the Eastern part of Europe, they're not slavs-
Greetings from Poland
@@ukaszwalczak1154 slavs is not etnic group but languange
I've been to Kaunas this may, and lots of people spoke some polish while learning about my nationality (bolt driver, lady selling tickets, and so on), which was a positive surprise for me.
I've learned some lithuanian just to get by, but usually people were very supportive when they've seen me struggling with the language 🙂
Aš norėčiau važiuoti į Vilnių kitais metais, tai aš mokiausi lietuvių kalba. Sveiki iš Suvalkai!
@@ukaszwalczak1154
Dude, there is no slavic ethnic country, like there is no germanic ethnic country, you have so many mixtures, even in Germany, East Germany is half russian still if you want to be some purist. It is just a linguistic group. Like latin. Also, there is no Baltic people in ethnic sense of yours as today ethnicity is mostly used as equal to nation, but ofc it could be well, geographic term.
As a Lithuanian, I have nothing but respect for our Polish neighbours. The amount of help you're providing the Ukrainians with is incredible. Good job! Greetings from Lithuania
You can count on as if orcs will try to attack you. We thought together against Teutonic knights and we kicked their asses together. Together we strong
@@piotrsie5465 A funny side line is that the Teutonic knight were invited by Polish from the very start. No offence, just an interesting fact.
@Arūnas Sl But not to stay for ever and plunder and attacking others. You right that, they were invited at first.
@@arunassl876 in fact it was not exactly "the Polish", but only a local prince of Mazovia, who invited Teutonic knights - and they were supposed to fight against pagan Prussians, who pestered him, not pagan Lithuanians... ;)
I am from Poland. And no one of my acquaintances has ever spoken badly about Lithuanians.
nobody talks about lithuania in poland lol
@@craftah We talk a lot about Lithuania, mostly in schools where we talk about our past when we were united with Lithuania
@@craftah bro I've seen u under Tense videos
Oh yes We do. "Litwo, ojczyzno moja...
@@user-xz4ck8zs2u lol we r best trols eu
Love-hate is probably only how lithuanians feel, Poles mosty like lithuania and dont really have anything against it.
Personally I don't know anybody who hates the Polish. We actually like you:))) Hugs from Lithuania
Yes i thing the same, it goes so far that i was suprised that some Lithuanian doesn't share my full on positive felings towards us poles (i was 16-17 at that time). Then some time i dug why and i got all the drama around Vilnus and tensions and tragedies aroud thous areas) Big love to Lithuanians lets keep together :)
@Vaidas K Still, Lithuania arguments are kinda one-sided and bit unfair. Lithuanians tend to be angry about Lithuanian elite using Polish language in past but nobody forced them to do that, they wanted to use Polish language. Today nobody is forcing us to use English language, yet we all use it. Following that logic in 400 years some Lithuanians will be angry that Lithuanians today, especially the elite speaks English.
@@damian4926 First of all, I love Poland and Poland is our neighbours, allies and great country in general. But I'll add some points of Lithuanian perspective, just as overall context in order to explain perspectives in general. So here it goes:
With totally accepting and appreciating Polish culture, it certainly lead to leaking of Lithuanian culture, like if Polish as being lingua franca of Lithuanian nobility, basically any kind of accomplishments are being credited to Poles, like even first President of Poland was Lithuanian nobleman while his brother was signaturer of Lithuanian independence, they even were samagotians (zmudz), which is even more farther than being nobleman from Vilnius (Wilno), what automatically was being seen as Polish. And as it's always emphasized that Vilnius was Polish just by language criteria what as I mentioned before Polish was lingua franca, leaves almost no nobility to Lithuania.
Polonization. Population wise, there are much more Polish than Lithuanians and as Polish being lingua franca there was a possibility just to loose Lithuanian identity as only villagers used Lithuanian language as their primary one. It's not even Poland's fault, but areas around North East Poland have ethnical Lithuanian land which by mixing through the centuries eventually became Poland. One of ethnical regions of Lithuania is called Suvalkija because of Suwalki while you know it is Poland now.
Lastly, Poland has stolen Lithuanian capital during interwar period and many Polish colonists were brought to that region and somehow during Soviet Union people on those areas were never in favour of Lithuania as country, many of those people spoke Russian/their own version of Polish, but not really Lithuanian language, which was kind of similar case as having Russians in Estonia who were not fans of Estonian leaving USSR.
These are just some points just to explain why sometimes it created some misunderstandings between our nations, we truly love Poland as our allies
@Vaidas K But you can't blame whole country because some groups say something. You should base you opinion on official Polish state relation to Lithuania rather than what random people say.
I always had impression that Lithuanians dislike Poland because Lithuania elite used Polish language in past, but remember that the king and dynasty was Lithuanian. Also if Poland would not unite with Lithuania, most likely Teutonic knights would make a deal with Moscow and attack Lithuania. Lithuania would have to fight both of them and would probably lose, and Teutonic Knights would take control over Lithuania and eradicate all Lithuanians like they destroyed the original Prussians. Lithuanians and Lithuanian language would stop existing, same scenario if Moscow would take over Lithuania. PLC saved Lithuania from that fate despite ups and downs and that Polish language was more common. Sometimes I think that Lithuanians don't appreciate that.
I am Polish so here is Polish perspective: I don’t know many people from Lithuania but the ones I met were one of the nicest and kindest people you can imagine. Food in Lithuania is delicious and country is beautiful. I don’t know anyone in Poland who would say something else than positive things about Lithuania or any Baltic Country so to speak. We love them
Podobno tarcia są w dużej mierze w samym Wilnie, gdzie polska mniejszość to jakieś 16% w mieście i 20% w całym obwodzie. Także mam wrażenie, że nawet jeśli szukać Polaków o złej opinii na temat Litwinów, to prędzej na Litwie niż w Polsce.
@@MurdokEXTRA Moja rodzina mieszka w Wilnie i żadnych tarć między Polakami a Litwinami nie ma, ja tez milion razy byłam w Wilnie i nikomu nie przeszkadzało ze jestem z Polski….
@@Misiathecatgirl To nie wiem. Mówię tylko, co przeczytałem jak próbowałem się rozeznać w temacie.
@@MurdokEXTRA Na kanale "Fifty na Pol" jest film o Polakach z Wilna, gdzie sami zainteresowani się wypowiadają na ten temat.
I'm Lithuanian. I like Poland and its people. We like same food, we like same drinks, we have similar tastes, values, religion and outlook on life in general sense. In fact I can find more things in common with a regular Pole when compared to a Ukrainian. I even feel safer knowing we have such neighbor next to us. Long live Poland!
we have so much in common my Nothern friend that we should start call it commonwelth again
Polish myself, I'm living not so far from Lithuanian border, and I've been to Kaunas this may. Our cuisine is almost identical (cepelinai, potato pie and potato sausage, meat and rice wrapped in cabbage leaf), so I've felt like at home.
Also, people were really happy to hear that I've learned some lithuanian before going there, even though I still had to use english sometimes. It was a great trip and I hope to visit Vilnius in the next year 🙂
Sveiki iš Suvalkai, ir ačiū už grupė Antis! Aš norėčiau mokiausi lietuvių kalba, tai atsiprašau už mane klaidų 🙂
@@aven7gg213 so you could again steal our capital city?
Relations where little destroyed when Poland back after 1 world war and they national leaders decides back old kingdom size in all cost even that cost where salty to neighbours. But we all must understand that was times after 1 world war and people where diffrent. Still we got difficulties with Balerus this country is one big joke.
Why dont we resurrect Commonwealth ? I mean that was some idea to have. Big nation with lots of possible influence, we would just need Kaliningrad and its all good baby. I can fight for that.
As a Polish person I never had bad thoughts about Lithuania and never met any Polish person with bad opinion about this country. We have big respect for Lithuania and Lithuanians in general and many Poles even love Lithuania! I am one of such people myself and Lithuania is honestly one of my favorite countries, Regards! :)
Its more of a historical dispute, especially with the polish leaders and how they "looked down" on us and on our culture up to the interwar period, where they invaded lithuania and its major cities, which we never got back. some of the cities were majority pole, but poles have always been a part of lithuania, and we never saw them as outsiders, its the leaders who did.
@@nesbistrampol Yea, true.
@Adam Nieniewski did you miss history lessons or something?
Dziękuję :)
@@Kancleriss Nie ma problemu!
I am a Pole in Lithuania, and I have nothing against Lithuanians
Lenkas supistas
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I'm a Pole in Poland, and...
I too have nothing against Lithuanians.
And that's the way to go - I also have nothing against Lithuanian. I met few. I'm in good relationship with them.
@@rafalszachnowicz2831 who cares about nationalities
Love Poland. Greetings from Lithuania ✌️✌️✌️
I am from Poland and whole my life I had Lithuania in my heart. Like a family. And I would literaly cry if Russia do something to hurt you. Moreover, I would support truly and with all my heart helping you if Russia invaded you. And if you had to escape your own country I would open my house for you. From mine Polish perspective, for Poland family is Lithuania, Ukraine, Slovakia, Czech, (but I dont like their relationships with Germany), and Hungary ( but recently I am very affraid of their relationship with Russia, I AM SHOCKED), UK and USA.
@@voyageur8208 God save us all and don't let this happen.... Love you, guys, all the best for us all 🤝🤝🤝♥️♥️♥️
Ačiū labai iš Suvalkai 🙂
Man labai patinka jūsų kalba!
From what I see, most Poles and Lithuanians have nothing against each other. Most poles I meet are very friendly and respectful to Lithuanians and admire our shared history. The worst I find are usually super nationalist online keyboard warriors that still argue and fight over rightful ownership of Vilnius.
Vilnius has never been Polish. It was just very polonized. But among the fairy tales, stories about "Polonization" should be put in. The cultures have simply mixed up and the Polish language has been and will be the leading language in the culture of Central Europe. There have been attempts to replace it with Russian, but who can like and respect this language and nation?
@Squilex777 ok but who cares?
Everybody in Poland know that Vilnius is Lithuania and that nothing can piss off Lithuanian as Polish Vilnius. If you ask them why they are so angry with Lithuania, you may get a totally different story. Did you ever try to swap it for Kraków? LMAO
@@mariuszlech9173 Vilnius officially become Polish as result of the Constitutional Union on 3 of May 1791. Lithuania and Poland become one undeviable country. That Union give Poland the right to resurrection in the borders from 1772. Unfortunately, in 1918 Germans and the Lithuanian Bolsheviks didn't agree with that and had different plans.
@@rebuzz6866 Even though they formed the union between two countries, Vilnius was still part of Lithuania.
Ukrainian here.
I've been to both your countries. Loved both. People are great in both. Keep up as good friends and neighbours! And thanks for not leaving us behind in hard times!
Hope to visit both of you soon as a guest and as a friend, not a refugee.
Love to Ukraine from Lithuania ❤️
Keep up our brave Ukrainian friends. Greetings from Poland.
as a Belarusian i wish my country had never been occupied by the regime and was allowed to join the club. the present situation, and being left behind by the neighbours who should be our closest friends, is making me beyond sad
It is hard to escape Russian cage, nobody can help you without the risk of great war, but we all hope your country will manage to do that. Nobody think badly about Belarusians in Poland, we know you are enslaved or fooled. Before the war, you were always welcomed in Poland. My father was telling me that you are the closest nation to ours.
Be brave
trust me we may throw shade at Belarus but we mean your government not your people. we stand firmly with your people and hope that you will prevail against the regime
Most people in Poland understand your situation. We love people of Belarus. I pray you became free from Russia aswell.
Your comment makes me so sad, but I don't think they left you as if it was their call, USA, Brits and French after WW2 left whole Eastern Europe to Russia and to manage how to escape by themselves. But I get you. And wush you all the best, it is sad really.
@@josipag2185 i don't think that WW2 consequences are all that relevant here. we (Belarusians) are sorta responsible for electing that arsehole back in the 90s. now we shall be responsible for getting rid of him.
As a Pole, it saddens me what happened between our people in the interwar period, not only because Poland and Lithuania share a common history, but especially because the period of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was the best time in history for both nations. Even though we shouldn't forget the Polish-Lithuanian war that was started by the Poles, or the Lithuanian atrocities against the Polish civilians, we should treat those events as reminder of our flawed nature, and rebuild our relation in order to avoid those mistakes in the future and stand against the common enemies.
PLC was only good for Poland. This is what i often see Polish people forget, for Poland it was perfect for Belarussians, Ukrainians and Lithuanians…not so much, Polonisation was rampant and Lithuanian language spread went from south of Kaliningrad all the way to Smolensk now Lithuanian language goes from Klaipeda to Vilnius not to forget PKN-T (Polish pro-Soviet rebel state) that was formed in eastern Lithuania due to Tutejszy who are basically Ethnic Lithuanians(or Belarussians or Ukrainians) who were Polonised.
Due to these things no Lithuanian would want such union to come back.
For interwar our war was a typical war: 2 fascist governments fighting for some stupid historic claims murdering each other’s civilians just because they hate them.
Thankfully both of our nations are in NATO and EU and we can now truly live like brothers and not enemies.
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@@5Penkets xD How so? It's you that chose it. No one forced Jagiełło to marry Jadwiga... Also no one forced you into union...
Yeah no it was only good for Poland lmao, Lithuania might as well have not existed in the commonwealth
@@slec22 imagine arguing and placing blame on someone 500 years after something happened, cringe
@@5Penkets This is very sad and disappointing perspective of seeing common history. Not seeing the benefits of the Union for both parties is simply unfair, but I'm not going to get into dispute here. I just regret that Lithuanians feel this way..... knowing that many Poles would be willing to fight for Lithuania if necessary.....
Litwo, Ojczyzno moja! ty jesteś jak zdrowie; Ile cię trzeba cenić, ten tylko się dowie, Kto cię stracił
Dziś piękność twą w całej ozdobie
Widzę i opisuję, bo tęsknię po tobie.
Panno Święta, co Jasnej bronisz CzęstochowyI w Ostrej świecisz Bramie! Ty, co gród zamkowy
Nowogródzki ochraniasz z jego wiernym ludem
Tyle, że to nie o obecnej Litwie.
@@user-mh2uj7ns6hdzieki cpt obvious
The Polish-Lithuanian relationship sounds a lot like the relationship between Spain and Portugal. Spanish people view Portugal quite positively and see it as Spain’s “little brother” but my Portuguese friends have told me that they still remember their war for independence and don’t always view Spain quite as positively
I have nothing but respect for Polish people, they are my brothers, my friends and my collogues. Long live Strong, innovative and Moral Poland. I have nothing but good words. Visited Warsaw 3 times, 1 time Krakow, 1 time Szczecin and the sea side. Highly recommend
I am Pole and I've just recently visited Polish-Lithuanian borderlands by bike, including Sejny/Seinai County with Lithuanian minority and the small Lithuanian town Lazdijai or Łoździeje in Polish. The border is completely open with no controls and by looking at the license plates, it seems that people are visiting each other quite often.
I was curious about that place because of the articles that said that the area called Suwalki Gap is one of the most dangerous place in Europe because of the possible Russian and Belarussian attack but when you are there, it turns out that that's very peaceful place with beautiful nature and quaint villages, farmlands, forests and lakes. I've never seen so many storks in one area, definitely worth a visit!
When I was in a bilingual Polish municipality Puńsk/Punskas and there are many signs and advertisements that are in Polish and Lithuanian. There are a couple of nice restaurants that serve Lithuanian cuisine which is really good, that cold cucumber soup with potatoes is excellent at hot summer days!
I asked a lady in the shop that was speaking to the customers both in Lithuanian and Polish about the languages that people know there and she said almost everyone knows both Lithuanian and Polish to some level so I guess people are fine with both nationalities. Lithuania is awesome and all those animosities between our countries can be easily overcome by the time with the open borders 🇪🇺🇵🇱🇱🇹
Suwalki nature is so so pretty, lands of fairytales! I loved it, even though only through a window, it has left a long lasting impression!
As a Lithuanian I love Poland! Very beautiful and strong country, we are blessed to have such great neighbors. 🇱🇹🤝🇵🇱
🇱🇹 Lithuania ❤️ Poland 🇵🇱
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@Adam Nieniewski bruh
@Adam Nieniewski a na jakiej podstawie niby Wilno należy do Polski?
@@papughhWilno stało się polskim miastem na podstawie Unii Konstytucyjnej 3 maja 1791. Litwa i Polska stały się jednymi i niepodzielnym państwem. BTW, dzięki tej unii nie tylko Wilno, ale wszystkie miasta na terenie całej Litwie się stały polskimi miastami. Unia ta dała Polsce podstawę prawną do odrodzenia się w granicach z 1772. Unia konstytucyjna obejmowała również teren Ukrainy.
@@rebuzz6866 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
From polish perspective, I don't think that we have any negative relations between eachother, we really like lithuanians mostly because of our history, alliances etc. I was always positive about Lithuanians, so did my family and friends :)
I really understand why lithuanians would dislike us, mostly because polonisation and taking their historical capital city Wilno (Vilnius) from them and making it a part of Poland back in 1920-1939.
I would love to visit Lithuania in the future.
Remember lithuanians, we love ya all 🇵🇱♥️🇱🇹
Osobiście nie mam nic do Litwy, lubię ten kraj, podoba mi się, jednak zawsze mam obawy, kiedy tam jadę. Kierowcy potrafią zajeżdżać drogę, po prostu złośliwie, bo widzą polskie rejestracje. Chciałam zaplanować wyjazd do Palangi, ale jednak wybrałam inny kraj, ponieważ na Litwie czuję, że Polacy nie są lubiani 🤷♀A to jest ważna grupa turystów, stąd dziwi mnie, że zdarzają się takie wrogie zachowania w stosunku do Polaków. Litwa organizuje wiele kampanii, mających na celu przyciągnięcie polskich turystów, jest wysyp vlogów w kolaboracji z litewskimi organizacjami turystycznymi. Polacy nie patrzą na Litwę w sposób wrogi. Ta niechęć jest wg mnie niestety jednostronna 😔 Polacy mają naprawdę dobre skojarzenia z Litwą, lubią litewską kuchnię, na Podlasiu i na Suwalszczyźnie jest wiele sklepów z litewską żywnością, dużo ludzi kupuje ją na co dzień.
Osobiście też tak uważam. Litwa cały czas „pachnie” antypolskością.
Coś musicie z tym zrobić bracia Litwini!
well there are xenophobes everywhere. most lithuanians dont give a f to be honest
@@Pablo_oobo TO nie żadni Litwini ani bracia .... to żmudzini którzy ukradli nam naszą metropolie ..przed nami to była mała gówniana wiocha zabita dechami ! Polacy władowali czas siłe pieniądze i rozumy i oręż a później jeszcze przemysł i rozwineli z tego dziadostwa potężną metropolie i zbudowali Wilno od "podstaw" - prawdziwi Litwini żyją na terenie obecnej Białorusi - stalin mieszał dziełił nasze narody ile wlezie bo wiedział że gdyby nie daj Bóg niemieli głowic a plan pilsudzkiego czyli stworzenie Uni Polski i krajów Bałtyckich i Rusi by wypalilł - byli bysmy siłą która z łatwością by ich pokonała. Oni po prostu chcieli by się odciąć zabrać nam miasto które stworzyliśmy swoją krwawizną i powiedzieć nara ! Oni powinni byc przeorani przez ruskich i to tak strasznie ze z kwikiem pognali by do nas a tutaj powinni zastać tylko zamkniete granice i strzały pod stopy to samo z resztą Banderowcy. Nie wiedza i niedouctwo oraz naiwność moich rodaków przeraża mnie ! Kiedyś denerwowałem się jak ktos obrażał mój naród - dziś wiem ze to niestety cześciowo prawda - jesteśmy narodem owiec....
@@joew9690 Straszny jesteś i niesamowicie jednostronny, ograniczony w tym co piszesz. Twoje opinie są dokładnie tym co uważam za obskurantyzm i krwiożerczy nacjonalizm, obcy idei Rzeczpospolitej Obojga Narodów oraz nawet Piłsudskiemu (nie mówiąc o dzisiejszej Polsce). Błędy językowe, ortografia wręcz tylko potwierdzają, że gdzieś został w edukacji i Twoim wychowaniu popełniony błąd, przez co stałeś się pożywką dla głupich i niemających uzasadnienia ani w polskiej historii ani w polskiej strategii polityki zagranicznej idei na skraju faszyzmu / wojującego nacjonalizmu. Wstydź się!
One important correction: in Poland only the village of Puńsk (Punskas) has a Lithuanian majority. According to the 2002 population census in the town of Sejny there are just some 8 % of Lithanians and in the whole Sejny county - around 21 %.
From the area ✌🏼
Census does underreport us but Poles are definitely the majority in Sejny
Yes, but it wasn't like this until 1920 when Poland occupied these lands. Lithuania territory, that was was occupied by Poland back then was forcefully polonized, especially in 1928-1939. Lithuanian schools and organisations were massively closed, children were not allowed to speak Lithuanian even during break time at schools. Every day young children had to learn a song "I'm a young pole". If you officialy declared that you are lithuanian, it was almost impossble to get a job in the institutions.
@@KONSOLIUS yup pretty true, most back in the day just declared Polish. And in Sejny the discrimination was the worst that’s why it’s strongly polish now. Most forgotten what language their grandparents spoke
@@Comrade_Marius Wybaczcie nam tę niegodziwość, mieliśmy mentalność zaboru.
@@szczepionzabijaka8476 Za co ty ich przepraszasz. Według Litwinów największym osiągnięciem Litwy przedwojennej była lituanizacja ludności polskiej w okolicach Kowna. Jakoś nie słyszałem żeby Litwini kiedykolwiek za to przepraszali, przeciwnie szczycą się tym. Mieszkało tam bardzo wielu Polaków. Litwini też byli pod zaborem i mieli jak ująłeś "mentalność zaboru". A kogo nie przerobili na Litwina to jak Niemcy przyszli to szaulisi (litewscy kolaboranci) wymordowali pod Wilnem w Ponarach. Szacuje się że było od 80 do 100 tysięcy ofiar. Ukraińcy zdają sobie sprawę z mordów na Wołyniu, Litwini udają że nic się w Ponarach nie stało. Ot, braterskie porachunki.
Real life interactions with Polish people were always positive for me (the ones I encountered in the UK). Seems most "conflicts" are between amateur historians of both sides who are living in the past. However, I haven't encountered a Polish person in Vilnius yet, since I live in western part of Lithuania. Maybe they might hold some unknown grudges, I don't know. I'd say your everyday person really doesn't care, it's just a small fringe group on both sides. Update : you can already see such "historians" fighting in the comment section from both sides
Žverelo, Žuvialo, Reksnis, Kodis, Jodko, Kiškel', Voišnis, Survilo, Voišvilo, Andruloic, Janoic, Dudoic, Gaidis - common surenames of local Poles. Will they feel more Polish when now they are allowed to write Żuwiałło instead of Žuvialo or Woisznis instead of Voišnis, I don't know.
@@fidenemini111 If they want to do so - yes, it could make them importance to be Żywiejko rather than Žyvieyko. And all the signs on the sky show that indeed it is important to them. So either you can ignore reality - or as it was in the past: try to "fight" it - or you can just admit that it will change nothing for worse, to accept your reality. Giving right to have your own name (whatever written or spelled) is just human right.
Giving right to humans is just something making us more human, than - let's say - "rusiki mir" approach?
@@fidenemini111 Let's rewerse it and force you to write your name and surname in Polish. I wonder what wil your reaction be...
@@slec22 If I went to live in Poland, denounced my nationality and asked for a Polish passport, then of course I would need to conform to the rules of the country I want to be a citizen of. Same practice is done in a lot of countries, for example in Japan - if you want to become a Japanese citizen, you have to change your name to be able to write it in Japanese letters, which often times butchers the name horrendously. Simple as that. You live in a country, you want to be a citizen - you conform to their rules, in this case - the rules of language.
I would not have a problem with writing their names in Polish in Lithuanian passports, but I am worried it will open doors to others wanting to write their names in whatever language and alphabet they want claiming discrimination... The problem with this is that it will be very difficult for, let's say, a clinic or a school to enter the name in the system. There is bound to be misspellings and other mistakes, like missing a single stroke writing an unfamiliar character, so what if that happened in a legal document? The problems that would cause could potentially be devastating. That's why I think it's not a good idea. It's best to stick to the national language for the national passport.
Same here too, I live in Vilnius and all the Polish I've had the pleasure of meeting, were nice people. Polish are really cool in that unlike Russians of Vilnius, they do not demand everyone to speak Polish and they speak Lithuanian so well that sometimes I get surprised they are Polish. Russians, on the other hand, plainly refuse to speak Lithuanian.
As a Pole I have similar thoughts as other Polish commenters - never ever thought of Lithuania badly. I guess the part of Lithuanian attitude towards Poland stems from the fact that Poland is a much larger country and that Lithuania also used to be a large one and suffers from trauma of lost great past (somewhat similarly to what Hungary experienced). What I can say to our neighbours to the north east is that the present and future are more pressing now. We have a common threat upon us and we should focus on what we have in common. There's plenty.
I have met many Lithuanians in UK ... and my experience is ... during the first meet I got the feeling that Lithuanians don't like Poles ,but after knowing eachother despite of language we have much more incommon than we are different . At some point we always have this click. Now I have many great friends out there and can't wait to finally visit Lietuva . All the best Lithuania 🇱🇹 ❤️
A few years ago a film from Lithuania was circulating on the Polish Internet. In which young Lithuanians destroyed plates with Polish surnames. They bent them so that only the Lithuanian spelling was visible. We have many people in Poland with foreign surnames. Therefore, this action was perceived in Poland as a manifestation of aggression and racism. Nevertheless, the attitude towards Lithuania is very positive. Poles often remember their common history, but unfortunately Lithuanians often perceive it as if we wanted to occupy their lands or enslave them. I hope our relationship will only improve.
Oh, you forgot how you betrayed and occupied Vilnius? And do you have any other questions? Even, you slander the polish language like the bolsheviks..by forcing..! And you think we will forget it? NEVER!
@@arunasz2443 it aint that deep. Until i met lithuanians i didnt know there was any animosity towards us. In polish schools the commonwealth is portrayed very much as an equal union
your other choice was russia considering that lithuania was very underdeveloped in history. Im pretty sure they would not include you in their name such as russia-lithuania, and instead fully russify you into their empire.
The statement about Poles ignoring Lithuania is unfortunately true and I write that as a Polish person myself. The only country in EU we are putting attention to are Germany. I believe we Poles should stop worrying about compering ourselves to Germany so much and try to build closer relationship with our other neighbors. Thankfully this changes slowly and we are for example discovering Czech culture and politics. There are many things we can learn about Lithuania, I was very surprised when I learned that Lithuania was richer than Poland for the whole history and if Lithuania were independent during communism, it would be, along with the other Baltic States, the richest Eastern Bloc country.
Czechia got more attention due to the lawsuit that costed Poland 1 billion euro. Unfortunaltelly our neighbours seem to only benefit from attacking Poland. Seeing how poor negotioators Poland has only encourages future hostility.
"Lithuania was richer than Poland for the whole history" no it's not true. Why are you lying so much?
I think we need each other. Especially now, when one certain country would love to see both of our countries marginalized, subjugated and possibly even destroyed. If both of our governments have any common sense left they will cooperate with each other to the benefit of both countries.
For any interested in history of relations of both states and nations (however we will define 'nations' in this context) I would highly recommend Robert Frost's "The Oxford History of Poland-Lithuania". 3 tomes in total, this monumental thing gives (in my opinion) very balanced and objective view on reasons behind both unions and history of those. Frost does not take Polish nor Lithuanian (nor Ruthenian, for that matter) position, but gives invaluable insight into details and under-the-hood mechanisms which are very little known to the public. Spoiler alert - whoever you are, be prepared for your national ego to be hurt as some of your precious myths will be definitely debunked...
Hi, where can I find volume II and III, as it looks like only volume I is available, thanks.
@@chatter87 the author actually planned to write and publish a trilogy about PLC, but so far only part 1 has been written.
indeed a really good book, I look forward to the next parts ... if you're interested in the history of this part of Europe, I recommend you ,,Bloodlands Europe between Hitler and Stalin" by Timothy Snyder.
I am a Pole living all my life in Poland. Me as well all who I know never said anything bad about Lithuania or Lithuanians. I personally like Lithuania, would like to visit it one day. I appreciate centuries of our joined history. I consider Lithuania as a close sister. I am sorry we took Vilnius after the I world war although I know that first plans of Polish authorities that time was to recreate Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. If this couldnt be done (I suppose because Lithuanians wanted their own country), they decided to incorporate majority Polish ethnic areas to Poland (including Vilnius) which unfortunately was harmful for Lithuanians. I hope this event would not affect our friendship in the future.
Am Lithuanian and this is the only bad thing I have heard from step dad that Polish did. Accordingly by him "stealing our capital" which for me it's all in the past. Poles and Lithuanians need to be strong together.🦾
Oh, how can you trust someone who has already betrayed you?
In Poland people respect and like Lithuanians and I am saying it as a Pole. 🇵🇱
Cool to know at least some poles think about us ):
@@botronas6039 I’ve never seen someone talking bad stuff about Lithuanians, maybe some nationalist nutjobs, but that’s a fringe part of the society
As also a Pole, sadly, no, Poland often forgets about Lithuania unless it's something big. Like, we have a saying about friendship with Hungary, but we don't have one for Lithuania-
I'm Polish and I'd like to correct you. Jadwiga was actually titled "king" as she was the official ruler of the country.
Also we were so much ahead with democracy we were playing with pronouns in 15th century. 😎
Besides that, I've met only one Lithuanian person who said that they had a grudge with Poles. And I've met a lot of You, living in the UK.
We like Poles. We don't hate you. I like conection from the past which we have. Strong together 🇱🇹 ❤️ 🇵🇱
We, Poles and Lithuanians, are brotherly nations and we will always remain so! 🇱🇹❤🇵🇱 I'd say "love-hate" is too strong word for the relationship between our nations - it's rather "love with complicated history", like an old couple who gets into fight and gets separated (interwar period), and then gets back together after few years or so, and lives happy ever after. Myliu tave Lietuva!
Lithuanians: "You took Vilnus from me"
Poles: "i don't even know who you are"
Im from podlasie and if we talk about lithuanians its aboout their driving in Poland. Sometimes you dont even realize how fast trucks can go.
Exactly, Lithuanians think we care aboit them but there are plp in Poland who don t even know where Vilnus is.
I work with polish people on daily basis, travel to Poland at least 2-3 times a year. And I have nothing but best words and "white" envy how Poland evolved in last 25 years, how big their own market is, how in many ways Poland feels better than many "Western" European countries, etc.
And I know real poles living in Vilnius (the ones who has their families in Poland, and speak Polish) - they are wonderful people with strong identity and community, especially through Center of Polish culture in Vilnius events.
Talking about Šalčininkai, etc. very well observed most people speaking Russian or Russian / Polish mix. Most of their names are lithuanian origin. Since commonwealth Polish language was taken as upper class language and Lithuanian was considered as peasant's language. Since these times there were many people who spoke Polish or considered themselves as poles. Currently most of those people do not have any family members in Poland, but do have in Belarus, most of them can not speak or understand proper polish language. One of my friends who considered herself as polish - went for masters program to Warsaw and it's her words "it took me a year to speak proper Polish", despite speaking "polish" at home all her life.
Regards lithuanians attitude to poles - there are jokes, but mostly people love Poland for everything from people, food, wonderful places to visit to simply cheaper groceries or other stuff.
I am Polish, but I have family in Lithuania. My grandparents were Polish nobility and had an estate near Kiejdany. In 2021 I went there with my brother to see the remains and graves of our ancestors. We also met with the remnants of our family. - Only the oldest people still spoke Polish. The younger generation no longer spoke Polish at all. Interestingly, they all claimed to be Lithuanian, not Polish! This surprised me a lot, because they were descendants of the Polish nobility.
Ha, ha - Lithuania is afraid of Polonization, and in fact it is the Poles who are undergoing Lithuanianization. :)
I observe that resentment of Lithuanians to Poles are being melting as a rule. I visited Lithuania a few times . The Lithuanins need to balnace between protecting their culture and national heritage and providing the rights to Polish minority which are justified by international standrds, and there were notorius problems with this second issue in the independent Lithuania. The domination fo Polish culture in the past was the effect of its internal strength rather than execise of force, so it is often hard to sieve Polish admixture I guess, but it does not matter at all. The truth is that we are both stronger together, rather apart and no country will guarantee freedom to our countries if we do not act ourselves united. Ukraine is an example of breaking such guarantees. If the strategy win-win for the both countries is the rule for the future we should cooperate, be successful and prevail over any tyrannies from East or West.
Polish-Lithuanian ties were bound because of the threat from the Teutons, then Moscovites. Will Lithuanians or Poles as nations survive up to now to stand alone?, will our countries be so potent in many ways if not the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth? I do not think so. We might do many things together to befit, and lose to be apart.
Most Polish people I've met were really nice. And I must say what Polish have that we Lithuanians lack - that is to stand up for each other, as a community etc. At home and abroad.
I'm from Poland but i live in the Netherlands. I've met some Lithuanians and every one of them was very friendly. I want to visit Vilnus some day
Never in my life heard bad things about poles. Love and respect for you guys.
We are not one country anymore. We had some fights with each others before our union and after our collapse. We have done a lot of big things and victories together during the history. Also we had a few big failures. We were one of the biggest countries in Europe and later we were completly wiped off from the map... We don't need to be one country but we need to be strong and united. Now and forever. And we need to help our brothers from our old state (Belarusians and Ukrainians) to become free, strong, independent and close allied with us. This Alliance will make that everything will be fine in our region. Lets wake the commonwealth spirt of freedom which is in our blood! Stay strong brothers! Greetings from Poland 💪🇵🇱🇱🇹🇺🇦(white-red-white flag ^^) 🤝
Freedeom for Belarus true flag of Belarus🏴 is flag from WKL/LDK
As a Pole interested in history I know our relations had its ups and downs. Today though I look hopefully to a bright future of Poland and Lithuania, perhaps even with Belarus and Ukraine in the future, to be united and work together for the benefit of all of us. The initiatives like the Lublin Triangle have so much potential and it'd be a shame not to take advantage of them.
Bringing those 4 countries you mentioned together equals basically to restoring historical PLC once again, although in a new form. That would've been insanely cool, and from the safety perspective that's very good solution against a certain threat in future, but there are just so many problems that need to be solved in order to achieve such a union/alliance, especially with Ukraine and Belarus that sadly I cannot imagine it happening anytime soon
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A lot of you from Poland are commenting and saying that you "didn't know that Lithuania hates Poland."
I may not have made it clear enough in the video, but I need to state that any bad feelings or attitudes towards the Polish are held by a very, very, small group of people, and I'm almost certain that much of the country is now perfectly happy with our Polish neighbors. The purpose of this video was to try and describe some tensions that may exist among certain groups due to the long history the two countries have shared. 🇱🇹🤝🇵🇱
Update: Any corrections and clarifications have been placed in the video description.
Even though you wanted initially to explain to Polish society that (paraphrasing) “it is not, as it is presented on my own video”, than you successfully contradicted yourself.
Congratulations!
Dont know, but if you have a problem with polands just say that, and dont blame country for that
Yay
Tbh i forgot that Lithuania exist in first place.
And that's funny, because they are quite wealthier than us.
I heard some time ago that a lot of the tension nowadays comes from the polish minority in Vilnius. Very loud about their nationality apparently though I wouldn't know. As someone from a southern region of Poland my takeaway from history lessons in school was that Lithuanians were total bros back in the days of Commonwealth but after WWI there wasn't really any will to cooperate and it wasn't really ever explained why.
Nowadays I have a better grasp on what actually happened between our nations and my view changed to: It could have went so much better ... we had opportunities to make things right way earlier.
I'm Polish . 🇵🇱❤️🇱🇹 👋. Remember next time - Jadwiga had the status of king and full power😐. When she married Jagiełło, we had two kings equal to each other in power . It worked. Who would have thought.😀😀✌️
Im Lithuanian and Jogaila didnt want to rule the Polish Kingdom. He insisted to bang the polish princes just to get the army for the crusaders to fight whit. ;DDDDDD
You're wrong, Jogaiła was a king only through Iure uxoris rule. They were not equal, Jadwiga was supreme in this relation. After her death Jogaila had hard time trying to keep his position, hence he married another Casimir The Great granddaughter just to keep the throne ....
@@marcinterlecki6021 Miał ten status ale był traktowany jak król. Po śmierci Jadwigi zostal na tronie co było w naszym interesie i okazalo się słuszną decyzją . Dla mnie Jadwiga i Jagiełło byli czymś dobrym w naszej historii . Po tym co przeczytałem do tej pory o nich to wydaje mi się że się ciekawie uzupełniali. Oczywiście dużo też nie wiem ale mam nadzieję że było między nimi ok. prywatnie i u władzy.
Anna Jagiellonka również była królem.
I'm Polish. I was surprised to see title 'love-hate' as I never thought about Lithuania negatively and I haven't met such opinions in Poland (and I'm not young - 46 :) ). I was always thinking that we share so many centuries of common and very successful state that from both sides there are warm felings, but then I learned that it's not so good from Lithuanian side. But I understand why - 1920 and Wilno in Poland was I think main reason. On one hand I agree that it was played very badly (Piłsudski promising that Wilno wil not be taken and then staging a coup to annect it) on the other hand - it was not occupation (as it's stated in this movie) - it was indeed city populated by Poles (and Jews) there were hardly any Lithuanians there. Generally our Second Republic (1918-1939) was very bad in diplomacy, same happened with our southern neighbours - instead of thinking about real enemies and how to cooperate with our most obvious allies - Lithuanians, Czechs, Slovaks our state was playing like imperialistic one.
Anyway history is history, let's look into the future. I'm happy we're both in EU and NATO and we might freely travel to see all the history in Vilnius just like you might come to Warszawa. Feel invited!
As a Pole, I have absolutely zero negative thoughts of Lithuania and its people. Having said that, I don't think I've never met a Lithuanian person, but I'd wouldn't mind at all. I tend to not look at people through their nation history, and rather judge them upon their behavior instead of passport or ethnicity.
@Adam Nieniewski What I'm saying that it's not fair to judge people from any countries based on what their predecessors or relatives did in the past. They can't hold such responsibility. Each person should be held accountable for their own actions, and that's a point of reference for me.
As for your question whether I would talk to Auschwitz guard - yes, I would talk to anyone who's not closed-minded and willing to have a civil conversation with me. That's what I do pretty much on daily basis in my activism - talking to animal abusers. But instead of throwing jabs at them, I listen to them, try to understand them, and then then simply talk to them about my views. That's how humans learn and grow. I would even talk to Hitler or Stalin if I had a chance. I doubt I'd divert them from their ways, but I'd be willing to try.
Like a Pole I have nations like Lithuanians, Czechs, Slovaks and other, in my ass.
As a male, over 30 living in top 3 most populated city in Poland -I've never heard bad jokes about Lithuanians nor do I have any issue with Lithuanians. Actually with many Poles being obsessed about our history and mentioned in the video Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth I tend to hear that we should rebuild the commonwealth in economical way and get closer with Lithuania. Poles like Lithuania, since we know they sufered from Soviet Union just like we did. Hopefully the artifical "migrant crisis" staged by Belarus and RuZZia will bring us closer together in economic, military and cultural way.
Lithuanian here, love my Polish brothers and sisters we have too much history together to hate. It's stupid. Bring back the commonwealth!
My dear mother, Regina near the end of her 90 years admitted her family was Polish. She was born into a Polish speaking Catholic family. Their name had been officially altered to sound Lithuanian. She learned Lithuanian in the school system. There was so much anti-Polish sentiment in the Kaunas area she bought into it. Through her years in Canada this contradiction bothered her. Finally she spoke up.
As a Pole I agree with other Poles saying that we actually have no negative assotiation with Lithuania whatsoever. In Poland we see Lithuanians as partners with common enemy - Russia.
As a Polish man, all I can say is I clicked on this video because I saw the Lithuanian flag in the thumbnail, later realised it’s about Poland too, I see 🇱🇹, I watch, I like. It’s a routine
As a Pole I consider Lithuania to be a sister nation of ours. We might not speak the same language and have a bit different traditions, but no one can deny our history together and close ties between our people. Half of my acquaintances have family in Lithuania. Can't say the same thing about myself as most of my family comes from Germany but I still think that it's a shame that Poland and Lithuania grew so apart.
But they don't consider you to be their brother. They have a lot of hate towards us.
@@mateuszkmiec754 Some do, some don't. We don't have toxic people? Lithuanians have changed, most young people view things differently.
I mean, most Poles don’t even think about Lithuania at all most of the time. it’s always Germany, and most of the time Russia. then, it’s usually Czechia, Belarus and now of course Ukraine, but also before the war most of people started minding it, due to a lot of Ukrainian migrants coming in
I am from Poland and in my family no one talk bad about Lithuanians and we still claim Lithuanians as a friends and brothers of the poles. Okay we had some "argues" in our history but even friends can argue sometimes but we are still friends and family...
A few days go I went to Lithuania for the weekend as I was in the north-east of Poland visiting my parents. I always thought Polish and Lithuanian relationships are similar to Polish and Hungarian, which is mostly love, respect and brotherhood, but then I got informed that Lithuanians don't really like Poles and look down on us but I never got that feeling while being in Vilnius and Kaunas. I even managed to drink a few beers with Lithuanians in Vilnius and had a great time there. Lithuanians are great and I hope they think the same about Poles.
I'm Polish, I was in Lithuania for 2 weeks six years ago. It was great. People were awesome. I visited Alytus, Vilnius, Kaunas, Druskininkai and Klaipeda.
I heard few years ago from my parents after theyr trip to Vilnius, that Lithuanians doesnt like us. Never really understanded why. In Poland no one ever says anything bad about Lithuanians, we rather think about them warmly as once we were one country, for over a 200 years... Today as i work in international company i work with Lithuanians too, and feel just sympathy from both sides. To be fair after Rus attack on Ukraine, our contacts are even closer and more brotherly, but ofcourse thats just my "bubble".
We don't talk about them that s why xd.
Discreetly omitted the genocide of Wilno's Polish residents by lithuanian nazis in Ponary/Panarai in 1940s
@@Oberschutzeeboth sides did wrong
@@Oberschutzee I dont frankly care but every single borderline genocidal act of one side was a revenge for a borderline genocidal act of the other side
@@Oberschutzee best argument i ever heard, I thought we were looking for arbitrary and objective truth, not soaked in propaganda of hyper nationalists on both sides
I send the most love to our Lithuanian brothers and sisters!! We love you in Poland!! The past we share is complex, and the negative moments are simply a reminder of human greed in difficult times, and shouldn’t overshadow our centuries of love and brotherhood. We are blessed with you as neighbours. 🇵🇱❤️ 🇱🇹
Lithuanians:
"Poles don't know we exist"
Meanwhile, every 10-year-old in Poland:
"Litwo, Ojczyzno moja! ty jesteś jak zdrowie;
Ile cię trzeba cenić, ten tylko się dowie,
Kto cię stracił..."
Litwo, Ojczyzno moja! ty jesteś jak zdrowie;
Ile cię trzeba cenić, ten tylko się dowie,
Kto cię stracił. Dziś piękność twą w całej ozdobie
Widzę i opisuję, bo tęsknię po tobie.
Kocham naszego bracia i siostry
History is a cool thing, but few history buffs would want to live in a museum forever, we should remember that as Lithuanians and Poles.
I have many Lithuanian friends with whom I have very good relations ... Time to use history to make our countries stronger and realize that together we are stronger economically and politically.
As a Polish person I have no negative feelings towards Lithuania and their people. Hope the Lithuanians feel the same way about us :)
Polish great people , greetings from Lithuainia 👍
I am polish and I love Lithuania! Nobody there talks bad about lithuania. I am even learning lithuanian becose I love it so much
Whenever I see or hear a text about the Lithuanian or Belarusian character of Mickiewicz or Słowacki, I am asking for an example of Lithuanian or Belarusian poetry ... and what? There is silence ... It is interesting that they do not admit to Piłsudski so willingly? Because it would suddenly turn out that "Lithuanian" came out against Lithuania.
Mickiewicz wrote in Polish and yes it is very true that Pilsudskis was Lithuanian, and? What is your point?
@@mindaugasmeller5319 He was Polish, but was born in what is now Lithuania, near Vilnius. That is, in a sense, he was Lithuanian. ;)
@@GluonToo his parents where Lithuanian nobles from lowland who moved to Vilnius
The key-word is "polonized Lithuanians". I'm the one! My family lived north east from Vilnius (now is Postavy district in Belarus). I consider myself as a Pole with Lithuanian roots - one does not contradict the other.
Most Poles from this area in 1918 considered themselves as Lithuanians. It was a big mistake to divide the locals by language. That is why Lithuania is so small today, although it used to be great.
uważali sie za Litwinów w sensie Mickiewiczowskim, a nie etnicznym... Litwin wg nich był takim samym Polakiem jak Krakowianin, czy Mazowszanin
@@andrewcarpenter5703 To niezupełnie tak. Raczej w grę wchodzi podwójna narodowość, a nie bycie Litwinem jako jakąś kolejną polską grupą etniczną. Moi przodkowie czuli się Polakami po języku i kulturze, a Litwinami geograficznie i historycznie. Jedno drugiemu by nie przeczyło, gdyby nie pier**lony nacjonalizm.
@@maciekszymanski6898 Tylko, że ten nacjonalizm ostał się niemal tylko na Litwie. To Nowolitwini zawłaszczyli sobie pojęcie litewskości i spuścizny Wielkiego Księstwa Litewskiego, a przecież równe prawa do niego mają też Białorusini - czego nacjonaliści litewscy nie chcą nawet słyszeć. Rozbiory oraz rosyjska i sowiecka propaganda zrobiły dużo w kierunku podziału narodów i jest zrozumiałe, że każdy chciał na siłę ratować swoją tożsamość. Tak się jakoś złożyło, że Litwini w pewnym sensie zagrali najostrzej i to się tam jeszcze ostało.
Wszystko rozbija się o to, że pojęcie "Litwin" ma naprawdę kilka nakładających się, ale różnych i uprawnionych znaczeń.
Dlaczego nagle każdy próbuje upchnąć wszystkich w jedną z dwóch kategorii - albo Litwin, albo Polak. Proponowałbym się pogodzić z faktem, że człowiek może być Polakiem i Litwinem, nie tylko jednym lub drugim
@@Casual2270 Też tak uważam. Niestety, w 1918 roku małorolni ze Żmudzi i z Kongresówki uznali inaczej.
As from Belarusian perspective I see that Lithuanians are very negative about other countries no matter if it's Poland or Belarus. Well, I can understand hatred to Belarus because of it's government and politics (though not anyone knows that most of Belarusian population is pro western and Belarusian government doesn't represent our choice) but why hatred to Poland, that's strange, maybe because of PLC times.
May be because you deserved it.
Im a Lithuanian, this hatred to Poland comes from a combination of PLC and midwar times, I would say nor Poland or Belarus even go close to the hatred that Lithuania has for Russia, which IMO is completely acceptable and understandable. I don't think there is etreme hate towards Belarus, but the dictatorship does not help, nor the close ties with Russia and also false claims of history.
@@vytilostudios6110 I mostly hate Russia (well not hate but just don't like it's government and Russian nationalists). And I think that's common for Belarus - not liking Russia
Grand Duchy of Lithuania - most of it was territorially and demographically Ruthenian. Therefore, today Belarus may consider itself more the heir of the history and tradition GDL than modern Lithuania.
@@cetus4449 It spread from the Enthnic Lithuanian lands, it's Rulers and Elite were of Enthnic Lithuanian, there for Lithuania proper having a higher position than the ruthenia region, there for making modern Lithuania more equivalent to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, also having Its Capital and first Stone castles(meaning evolution was done in Lithuania proper first, meaning that it was of most inportance)
Thankyou, very interesting. Also love your narration and your voice, very easy to listen to and understand
In 1864 both countries revolted together. We still felt together as one. Any dislike or mistrust between Poland and Lithuania was injected by the russians to stop the commonwealth from ever returning. And they succeeded, both countries fought over Vilnius in the 20s. Then under the ussr they did the same, made sure to keep contact between Poland and Lithuania to a minimum. Russia is scared of what Poland and Lithuania can achieve together. Together we can help Ukraine topple Putin. 🇵🇱❤️🇱🇹❤️🇺🇦
I'm Lithuanian and I love Poles as also other Lithuanians I know. For the sake of justice, it should be mentioned that there are a tiny number of idiots among Lithuanians who come out with their anti-Polish ideas from time to time. But those marginals are not impacting moods in Lithuania anyhow. Also it's a pity, but at least some part of the Polish national minority in Lithuania is pro-Kremlin. With best efforts from Russia's side, it harmed Polish-Lithuanian relations for years, because representatives of this minority constantly gave a distorted truth to Poland. For some time now, it seems that the Polish authorities have delved deeper into the essence of where all the problems come from though.
Some time ago i heard someone say that relationship between Poland and Lithuania is like a divorced couple, that remembers their relationship as the best part of their life. And as a Polish person i think it's a good description.
Personally, because i live far away from Lithuanian border, our relations are not a topic in media and because our education about Lithuania ends on "we fucked up our relations by taking Vilnius, but now we are chill", I don't have much knowledge, nor an opinion on current Lithuania. I only know that apparently Lithuanians have worse opinion on us than we on them.
Barbs from Geography Now! said that in Poland episode.
Nope, Lithuania is a divorced wife that have been abused for a loooong time and now have official business relations, nothing more.
@@Vhisper Why you think so?
@@grlt23 read my main comment of this video
@@Vhisper there was no divorce...
The rude thing might come from historical things when “those who won, write the history”. There are numerous historical debates between both of our countries, so old sentiments because of polish - lithuanian war and etc. But the most important thing that all of those “bad things” said, are from a stand point “older - younger brother”. We have our differences, cultures, languages, etc. mostly all the “rude” comments come from a prism of humour and irony. No one has these harsh sentiments anymore. Our cultures, blood and ancestry cannot be torn apart. We lived together for hundreds of years, we were neighbours for even longer. And most important thing, we were and are united against the horde. We were the wall witch stopped the bloodshed in Europe . 🇱🇹🤝🇵🇱
From Polish perspective it is sad that there is some misstrust from Lithuanian side but it is understandable since it is a relatively small country which has to fight extra hard for its national identity. Hopefully it will get better with time, much love :)
Russian propaganda says that Poles would like Vilnius and Lviv to be recovered. It's not true. People who lived there before WW2 are no longer alive. Stalin changed history forever. But as a Pole, I would like us to create again a strong and stable commonwealth of equal nations with Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine that respect each other.
Don't use the word Commonwealth with them. It turns otherwise reasonable Lithuanians into smug nationalists. It would be far more productive if Polish plp when discussing cooperation with Lithuanians used other terms which would not have any connotation with Polish dominance. They seem to be afraid of that which we in Poland don't usually understand. On the one hand we re presented as a threat o the other as stuped, backward plp in contrast to progressive scandis etc. Catholic fanatics as opposed to pagan Balts. I ve even seen one dude's comment suggesting that they shouldn't have christened themselves in the 15th century and preserve their pagan culture. As if the punishement for infidelity weren't to nail somebody to the bridge by their ball sack.
The best comment. I am heartly agree with you!
We love you Lithuania 😻
I once went to water park in Druskienniki (Druskiennikai) and I enjoyed it very much, for me there's no bad blood between Poles and Lithuanians, we just need to respect our common heritage from the past, this family name thing mentioned in the end of the video shows the good will of Lithuanians and I'm happy about it. And if there are any problems, just talk about them clearly. We will work it out sooner or later :)
If you look back at the history it is crucial to bear in mind that back when there was Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth there was no nationalism, as you mentioned. Back then saying you were polish didn’t mean a lot, it meant you were somewhere from the commonwealth. Modern Poles would have rather been described as “Koroniarze” so in English coroners. Being Lithuanian meant being from the eastern, bigger part of commonwealth, it meant to be even a better Pole, just like Mickiewicz, or Kosciuszko who now probably would have been called a Belarusian even though he was a Lithuanian (that implicated being polish). Lithuania was a great state controlling modern Belarus, Ukraine and parts of balkans and even Russia. It is important to always bear in mind that it was mostly Russian agents in the early XX century that wanted us to fight so that Commonwealth would never rise again. Back in the times when (as we would now call them) Poles, Lithuanians, Belarusians, Ukrainians etc were united they were the only country that managed to conquer Moscow. Our heroic past cannot be ever forgotten.
tbh, as a Lithuanian. I never thought something bad about Poland. I've never been there, but I hope I someday could visit it.
From yours photo I can see you are real Lithuanian by ethnicity!😅
@@dovydasstasionis Ačiū?
Hey, I am a local from Šalčininkai, half polish and half Lithuanian. Even though Russian is a popular language, polish dominates the city, we even mix the languages and speak all 3.
Interesting!
so more or less you speak Belorussian ;-P
@@ptolemaiosachaenczyk7657 it's not true, I was in Šalčininkai 1000 times, and yes Russian is more popular language, but still most of the population says that they are Poles. But nobody speaks belorussian, even close, I know only like 4 words in 'tutejszy' dialect that originates from Belorussian. And yet, absolutely nobody (at least, with whom I talked) in Vilnius region, speaks Belorussian language
Divided we fall, united we win. I don´t understand a single word in Lithuanian but obviously we shared the same values and accepted each other as equals over centuries. The Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth was a quite unique epidsode in this world´s history. From my humble experiance I have never seen any disrespect for our lithuanian neighbours but what remains is the nostalgy of the past common glory.
Lithuanian here. Poles are great people! Really hadn't any issue with Poles personally, but agree with most Lithuanians that sometimes Poles (especially Polish minority in Lithuania) express their ultranationalistic views regarding Vilnius. This thing has deep roots in messy Polish/Lithuanian history and that actually explains, why some Lithuanians hold a grudge against Polish people.
Firstly, 6,5 % population of Lithuania are Polish minority, while only 0,02 % of Poland's population are Lithuanians. So we actually hear more about Poles on a daily basis than Poles about us.
Secondly, Vilnius region was always ethnically predominantly Baltic (more specifically, Lithuanian), it was the central part of Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Vilnius was polonized only in the times of Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and that polonization caused raise of ambitions from Poland's side. Poland's nobles never treated Lithuanians as equal partners in the union and after WWI vision of PLC reformation in Poland was so distorted that they wholeheartedly started to treat Lithuania as their part. And invasion to Vilnius in 1920 was definitely a wrong decision. If this had been avoided, we would have had even better relations by now.
And talking about advantages/disadvantages of Lublin's union (formation of PLC), it surely benefited Lithuanians a lot as they had rough time defending their eastern borders. It also opened gates for western culture inflow to Lithuania. But Lithuania was severely polonized during PLC times. Our nationalistic rise in 19th century was almost a miracle knowing that a mere part of population at that time was actually able to speak Lithuanian (because majority spoke Polish). So Lublin's union actually benefited Poland a lot more. And that's why I think Lithuania doesn't owe anything to Poland. And Poles definitely shouldn't think we owe Vilnius to them or something of some sort.
But I'm really glad that in 21st century these tensions are being basically forgotten and we see great diplomatic developments between these two nations. We need to stay united against our biggest threat in the region... Putinstan.
If grabbing Vilnius was a bad decision, what about grabbing Memel by Lithuanians little bit later? At least Vilnius itself and nearby region HAD undisputed and overwhelming Polish majority in 1920, Memel was never Lithuanian throughout history and ethnically it was overwhelmingly German. Yet Lithuanians grabbed it, right?
Poland took Lithuania in 1920 for strategic reasons (strategic depth) not because we didnt like you or something. The decision was right because Poland won the polish-soviet war thanks to that.
Nobody forced lithuanian nobles to speak polish, but Russians forced lithuanians to speak Russian. Putting those two on the same level is unfair. Remember that the first King and dynasty of PLC were all lithuanians.
Lithuanian like to think that plc was a mistske because of polish culture influence but without it Russia would just take over lithuania and wipe out comepletely ethnic lithuanians and replace them with Russians. If not PLC, there would be no lithuanian culture and language at all. Lithuanians dont want to admit that and therefore portray Poland as some sort of occupier which is unfair because it was an Union lead by lithuanian dynasty. Also that Union was more fair than great Britain according to Robert Foster.
@@damian4926 Poland took Vilnius region, not the Lithuania itself, and primary reason was the size of Polish (or Polish-speaking) population there. Battle of Niemen and Zeligowski's mutiny are two different things. And you've meant Robert FROST I guess?
I think Lithuanians are using word "polonization" in a wrong sense. First of all there were many Poles who moved to Wilno and there is nothing bad about that - so they were not "polonized". What concerns "polonization" of Lithuanians and Belarusians in Vilnius region - the process was natural so not steered by anyone.
@@guciodestroyer2432 I think it's more that Poles are feeling insulted by the word 'polonization' as if it's the same as 'russification'. Of course polonization wasn't that forced. The term is used for any kind of assimilation with Polish culture. But without learning Polish and adopting Polish customs it was difficult to achieve a better social status for Lithuanians in Commonwealth. So it wasn't completely natural either. I won't deny, it was pretty much unavoidable, but from ethnic perspective it wasn't healthy for Lithuanian nation.
Fun fact: Every polish kid learns national epic, which starts with words: "O Lithuania, my fatherland!".
True
If someone knows the context it's not strange...
"Litwo, ojczyzno Moja, ty jesteś jak zdrowie
True...
As a Pole living in Łódź, I think that the relations between the two countries are not symmetrical. Poland has almost five times the area and thirteen times larger population than Lithuania. We border seven countries. The most talked about is Germany, as it is the main economic partner of Poland and Ukraine in connection with the migration crisis. Russia and Belarus are a threat to the EU and NATO. The rest of the neighbors are neutral, nothing is said about them in the media. When something appears about Lithuania and other Baltic countries, it is insignificant news from a world that is drowned out by internal political disputes in the country. Polish tourists in Vilnius are surprised by the rude behavior towards them by Lithuanians, because they have no idea that the old resentments from 100 years ago are still so vivid. In the past, Poland had bad relations with almost all of its neighbors, but today in many of these countries people are cordial to each other, regardless of politics, I can see that Lithuania is an exception here.
@@tytllee
Some time ago on the internet I saw a few comments from disappointed tourists that the service is not nice or if you speak Polish you may be attacked by nationalists.
@@tytllee As we are talking about the relations between two countries, it is hard not to generalize. Familiarity between people is different from political relations. A perfect example is the friendship between Poland and Hungary XD
@@tytllee If national govement don't control national media , the foreign goverment will do it. It's natural for every gov in EU to hold it's national media in solid grip but only Poland is accused. Previous goverment in PL conducted exceptional purge in national media after gaining the power. And Brussel was quiet about it, becouse they supported that goverment and their propaganda. Everything was ok.
@@tytllee About lgbt it's also propaganda. Does German or Usa embassy put in front of them rainbow flags in Saudi Arabia as they do in Poland ? Of course not. They don't do it not becouse those embasys would be burned down within hours by mad crowd, but becouse only Poland has anti lgbt problem. LOL.
@@tytllee Anyway today gov is pro Lithuania. The previous was not. So if u support hunting for today polish gov, you support bad polish gov for u in the future.
For anyone instrested in 1939/1940 social situation right before the Russian occupation of Lithuania and transfer of the majority of Vilnius region to "interwar" Lithuania, "Raudonasis Tvanas" (eng."The red flood") by Ignas Šeinius is a must read piece of literature.
@@gancarzpl 🤡🤡
Maybe read "Boża podszewka" by Teresa Lubkiewicz-Urbanowicz, or "Kronika wypadków miłosnych" by Tadeusz Konwicki. Though, better in English as Lithuanian one tend to change a lot.
technically, many Poles are of Lithuanian origin, as we used to be one state, even though no one is aware of it. Polish culture has dominated Lithuanian culture, but many traditions have Lithuanian roots. I have never heard of negative opinions about Lithuania. However, I myself think that the creation of one federal state would be everything on hand because of Russia, and really close cultural ties between Poland, Lithuania, Ukraine and Belarus. In my opinion, the negative overtone towards other nationalities is the result of communist propaganda, which is still rooted today.
and yes, I am a Pole
A federal state with its capital at Warshava and dominated by poles? Just like in the past i guess.
I am from Poland and I can't wait to visit Lithuania and drive through the completed Via Carpathia route or even Rail Baltica. Only good feelings towards this country. Im from Lublin. The most magnificent, main square in this city is a "Lithuanian square". There we have a live camera "portal" to Vilnus (check on RUclips). I go there and I wave to random Vilnus citizens and they wave back: a wonderful feeling.
PS I was a suprised pikachu meme when I first learned that not all Lithuanians like Poland the same way we like Lithuanians :o
The 'portal' is a truly great idea! Come visit the other side of it soon!
I've only met the kindest and most hospitable Lithanians. You guys are great and we should hang out more :)
I'm from Poland, but i have half of a family in Lithuania. I never heard nothing bad about Lithuania and i think that we are very simillar and we shouldn't be against each other.
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I'm from Poland and I love Lithuania. Never had a chance to visit but met a few people.
Living in Lithuania I am yet to hear anything negative about Poles, in fact, we frequently mention Poland in our circles as an example of how to live smarter and better, and that the Polish leaders are so much wiser than the Lithuanian ones. The only "conflict" I have ever seen between the Polish and Lithuanians was went I first went to Vilnius and noticed graffitis in a few places that spelled "Wiłno nasze" 😀😀😀 which means "Vilnius is ours" in Polish. So I guess these Polish sentiments about the capital of Lithuania can naturally upset the locals especially ones living in Vilnius, I wouldn't like to see such claims daily either - let's leave history where it belongs - in the past.
Overall, I found people in Poland very welcoming , friendly and helpful for which I'm super grateful, it made traveling so much easier, thank you, sisters and brothers 🤍❤️
As of, WINO NASZE, first I would check shopping records some of your politicians for the porches of spray paint. LMAO
Who wrote that? No one in Poland wants that city back. That would only dangerously extend our border with Russia.
Polish guy here. No hate from my side of the border at least. Whatever bad happened between us and Lithuanians or Ukrainians in the past are mistakes caused by chauvinism, nationalism and overal psychosis of first half of 20th century. But times have changed and I believe from now on we will get closer together on equal terms, keep each other safe and soon be able to reach for glory that belongs to us once again. Pozdrawiam wszystkich Litwinów, Ukraińców i Białorusinów!
I never knew that we occupied Vilnius. It was presented to us as Polish land. From Poland's point of view - as I understand it from history classes - Lithuania 🇱🇹 has been Poland's 🇵🇱 greatest historic ally. Together our countries were strong and respected. I looked at some stats, and we were the third biggest economy, back then, in the world. I believe most would Poles agree that we see Lithuania as a close friend. But, at the same time nowadays we don't seem to have a close relationship politically. I think we should get closer together, like the good old times.
But Wilno was Polish with 80%of inhabitants declaring themself as Poles
@@aven7gg213 Yeah, but.. now that I think about it, it's been always Lithuania's land - so it's fair to give it back.
@@matt112fly yeah? Russia using this mentalyty now...... Land belong to the peoples not to empires if major population is Polish this land should belong to Poland
@@aven7gg213 really? and Western Poland should belong to Germany?
@@matt112fly after relocation of population? Im from Silesia myself and even nearly no Germans they still have there own names of cities.... And do you actually read what i write before? I said that nationality of major regional population should point in which nation you are
This "complicated" relations are probably only from Lithuanian side. I'm Polish and I never in my life heard anything even slightly bad about Lithuanians in school or at home.