Politics at Kinda Funny: Colin: I'm economically conservative and socially liberal. Tim: I like money. I like business. Greg: Minorities are good, no more 9/11s.
jaks334 Oooh I'm so scared! What are you gonna do, send me a comment in all caps? Fuck off. Also, if you want to be a part in political discussions, learn how to spell, please.
+Cubi Studios Colin/Rand Paul are not real or true republicans/conservatives to core GOP republicans because in the minds of these people you have to pass the test of party purity. Which are as follows pro gun, anti gay, pro life, anti minority, anti women, anti legalization of weed, pro christian/family values, pro Israel, pro tax breaks for big corps and businesses, pro small government, pro hate speech as long as muslims don't have that same right e.t.c. Which is why Rand Paul lost with his progressive reasoning on certain issues.
What's always so strange to me is that many liberals will be upset or disappointed if they find out an artist/actor they like is a republican because they don't like their views, but if I (as someone who's registered independent but leans libertarian) didn't listen to music or watch movies made by liberals, I'd have no media to enjoy. I understand politics are often emotionally charged, but shutting out voices you disagree with does more harm than good in my opinion. So to answer Colin's question, being a Republican in media often means getting run out of town by the "tolerant" liberals who disagree with you.
+Pierre Conrad I think it's because as Greg pointed out in the beginning, Republican/conservative ideology tends to be very xenophonbic and exclusionary of others who are different. Unlike Colin, most are socially republicans are socially conservative. Not all but most So to answer your question, it's hard for a liberal to be tolerant of people who are very intolerant of others.
+kuunami No, republicans aren't exlusionary of others who are different. The media / universities portray it that way, but it's not actually true. I'd wager the Democrat/liberal ideology tends to be exclusionary. Who is that want safe spaces where only one ideology is allowed to be expressed? It's not repubs/conservatives. Who are the ones who categorize everything they don't agree with them as "hate"? Who are the ones who protest and disrupt when a speaker they don't agree with comes to campus? It's almost always liberals protesting a conservative speaker. The narrative is "Republican/conservative ideology tends to be very xenophonbic and exclusionary of others who are different" but in actuality that applies to the Dems just as much, if not more than Repubs.
+kuunami That's necessarily true anymore. Outspoken liberals have been extremely intolerant in the last few years. The worst example of this are the new groups of people who are "triggered" by the mere thought of a differing opinion. They'll shout over anyone else until they've "won." I've seen it all over my university and there are thousands of examples of this on RUclips. Political correctness, new wave "feminism," proclamations of cissexism, Black Lives Matter, etc. It's getting out of hand. Generally, their hearts are in the right place but rational argumentation has all but gone out the window. Like Colin said, republicans are often the butt of jokes, whether it's Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, or the thousands of pundits out there. Liberal media has been dominating the landscape, and there's been a massive increase of intolerance because of that. It's too one-sided now. People can get away with simply disregarding conservative opinions because of the imbalance. It's not good for the nation.
20:43 Greg felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced, by the looks of it.
I didn't care about politics nearly as much as I do now and that's thanks to Colin. Colin has opened my mind to a lot of things and for the most part I agree with a lot of what he says. So I'm actually quite grateful he's so willing to talk about these issues. It sucks that he get's so much flack for saying the things he does, but I guess that's just the way people on the internet are these days.I'm all for open discourse and talking about such things, but the point is made that there are those, like me, who are hesitant to be open with my views because I don't want to deal with the constant attack of the hostile internet public. If it was polite debate, I'm cool with that, I hate the idea of an echo chamber, but I don't want to deal with the insults and accusations etc. So yeah, I stand with Colin but In general I keep my mouth shut and let my actions speak for me.
There's an Occam's Razor answer here that no one put forth because it seemed everyone wanted to be overly accepting of Colin's point. But that maybe being a journalist who specializes in video games is inherently something a progressive thinking person would want to do, as opposed to a conservative. Journalism implies a desire to travel and see new places and people and tell their stories. Technology is a medium of moving forward at the speed of light, literally the opposite of the definition of conserving. And gaming is a creative artform about expression and interaction. None of these things align with Republican ideology if written down on paper. It's the same reason Hollywood is so liberal. It's not a conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy that people with college degrees are overwhelmingly more liberal. The desire to broaden your horizons and have your horizons broadened by others is a trait of progressive thinking. Sports and the military are full of Republicans. Because those acts attract a more conservative mindset.
Huh??? So because games it's a "art form" the industry have more "progressives" journalists? Maybe is why the all this "progressive" lefties journalists are agreeing with each other leaving the voices and opinions of the more liberals out of the conversations I invite you to listen at the most popular gaming podcast like the IGN's or Gamespot's you don't gonna get a argument and different point of views from issues in the gaming industry and what we get its a podcast of everybody agreeing with each other and sorry but that's inhuman, what makes us different from other species of this planet is because we can have different point of view and choose different paths to accomplish those point of view
+I DO JUEGOS my point is that I don't think people are being "left out". The people going into the field are already liberal leaning. All art is. I'm sure you've heard of "liberal arts". There isn't a "conservative arts".
I just want to say thank you to Colin. As a 22 year old liberal coming out of university, he challenges my viewpoints all the time and makes me question what my beliefs on the fiscal issues of the Nation. Keep doing what you do!
Keep the government out of my shit? Drugs are legal? Sounds like Libertarianism to me! I wish Colin would give up on the Republican tagline and just embrace Libertarianism instead. He's pretty much there already.
+Daily Dorks Yeah a lot of Libertarians, including myself, identify as Republican and register as a Republican so they can vote in Primary elections, and have a say in the party's nominee.
+CJ Smith Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you agree with me. After all, Libertarianism is all about not pushing your beliefs onto other people.
+Daily Dorks I'm sorry that came off hostile. I'm saying that you should just let people be what they want to be. Even though it might resemble libertarianism, it could also more accurately depict some of his Republican views.
Colin is a fucking boss. I dont agree with every single thing he says, but its so nice to hear a conservative voice out there. As a conservative I do feel like it is a shitty thing to exist in a forum where nearly everyone is against you. For whatever reason liberals are just more outspoken, and this just leads to perpetuating the stereotype that liberals are uninformed. I cant tell you how many liberals Ive argued with who know little to nothing about what they are talking about, or simply dont care about being realistic. Its far easier to echo a 20 word slogan you saw on twitter 10 times and follow that, then looking into the issue yourself and forming your own opinion based on facts.
Before watching the video, I assume the reason there are not a lot of republicans in games media is because the media in general is pretty much all liberal. Whenever someone's opinion differ from the liberal agenda, they are deemed bigots, or ignorant, etc. its really a shame people aren't allowed to express themselves without being suppressed. Its not because a lot of people are liberal, its because the few who are, are the most influential.
Speaking as a foreigner, your Democrats are largely right-wing by EU scales. Sanders is an exception, but notice a lot of what he wants to do is stuff we take for granted. If you go any further right you risk losing European viewers by sounding like... well Trump. Cause without years of cultural indoctrination into American philosophy, most Republican talking points do sound like him.
It could be said that games media might lean more liberal. Media overall skews far more conservative. Mainstream news media is even more conservative than that (corporations owned by wealthy people, that benefit more from conservatism than liberalism).
"How would they return Roe V. Wade? Who could overturn Roe V Wade?" I'm generally with colin on most things but wow talk about a sentence that aged like milk! Crazy times we're living in.
Colin saying he's the only public conservative, when he's sat at a table with Nick and Greg, both of whom admitted they're fiscally conservative, but socially liberal (exactly like Colin). The big difference between Colin and them is that he's more politically engaged and out-spoken.
I wish Colin would do a political show like Dan Carlins common sense. Conversations and different views is good, and I think Colin could be a good lighthouse for that conversation.
As a self identifying Libertarian much like Colin, I believe the Republican party has a major PR problem. They'd rather pander to the religious fanatics, than appeal to young entrepreneurs who want the government out of their pockets. It's easier for the Republican leadership to rally their "base" through preying on the fears of the less educated. They like to promote the idea that America is perfect and anyone who questions that ideology is wrong. This gives way to jingoism, which gives way to worse things like xenophobia and racism. Fear is very real and very powerful and it's how the current leadership of the party chooses to gain voters. Liberals see this and associate anyone with conservative views as women hating-gun nut racists. Common sense conservatism is very appealing and IMO makes the most sense. That doesn't mean I don't see anything inherently flawed with it. It's good to surround yourself with more liberal leaning people because they might illuminate some problems with your current political philosophy. We aren't on different teams, there are no teams, just an exchange of ideas. The art of compromise and compassion seems all but lost in higher tiers of American politics. It's become no different than the nonsense that goes on in other parts of popular culture. Things like team ps4 vs team xbox, or mac vs pc, or sonic vs mario (I'm old). People want to be part of the winning team, and they'll fight tooth and nail to prove that to themselves. The games media and by extension the SJW movement is no different than the crazy right wingers who cling to their guns and bibles. It's an extreme example of a sensible ideology gone wonky. I've seen games journalists pounce on people on twitter and shame people for their views and actions. I've also read through numerous games reviews that state their political views as facts. This feeds the fire of what I wrote in my previous paragraph. There is no equal representation in the games media, which IMO is dangerous. Echo chambers are never good. It's how good people with good intentions become bullies, and the arbiters of what's cool or allowed. There is no more room for a dissenting opinion. Try it and you'll be shamed on twitter, which for many in the games media is their livelihood.
+Elliot Grey There are way more religious people than there are young entrepreneurs especially since the government makes it incredibly hard for small businesses to survive. Both parties do their best to best to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and its a fact that uneducated people tend to vote Democrat, so that isnt what they're going for necessarily. It makes far more sense to go for the votes of millions and alienate a few people than go after the votes of a few and alienate millions. At the end of the day elections are a numbers game.
Greg made some great stereotypes about Republicans. I'm a DAMN proud Trump supporter and there's nothing wrong with that. Not even Colin has my side now.
+jkjkjk I haven't encountered an SJW in real life. Mostly just online. They don't really have much of an effect outside of the internet in my experience.
The data Colin presented is kind of misleading, I did a little more research into it and the numbers skew more heavily to the left when you look at people who vote Democrat vs Republican because moderates tend to skew more towards Democrats. Also, you can pretty easily look at demographics and see why there aren't many conservatives in the games industry: the groups that tend to vote for Republicans are older and tend to have less education which matches up poorly with a games industry full of young, college educated people.
+LinkMaster2703 Not at all, a good amount of republicans skew towards like Colin said businesses and entrepreneurs. Just because colleges offer liberal educations doesn't mean that those who are older meaning the actual people Colin was referring to the 30+ year old wouldn't be educated conservatives. Plus the voting is not the focal point of the discussion.
I agree man... I'm not sure why Colin cant understand this. Seems rather straight forward. "No one wants to vote for trump or Cruz?"... No, because of exactly what you stated. Most people in this industry are college educated, not uneducated 80 year olds. The people that lean conservative are literally dying off
+caseyls2323 College educated? It's spelled i-n-d-o-c-t-r-i-n-a-t-e-d. When people grow up and learn from harsh reality and experience, they start skewing conservative. Tale as old as time.
+SchultziePlays - You can see in his face that he's already defensive before he opens his mouth because he knows he's about to say something stupid, but he's not sure what.
The industry does not appear to be welcome to ideas, Especially conservative ideas, that differ from mainstream media liberal mentality. Even if you are socially liberal and fiscally conservative or in any way conservative the games industry does not seem to be a welcoming place. I've made a point of Never talking politics when around industry people or really with anybody unless it's close friends or family. Not that my views are radical, controversial, or even Close to hardcore right/left, it's just that society today is ultra sensitive about politics and the games industry is very much so. I would hope as artists that creative discussions could openly happen, as it does in my circle of diverse artistic friends, but that doesn't seem to be the case in the majority of the games industry. Perhaps this is mainly the games media/personalities who portray this mentality and that is not the case with the industry as a whole. Nick's quick judgement/comment on stating all people who believe in pro life are not a human being is exactly the issue here. He may not mean that statement after he said it, and it took Colin to explain his stance on pro life for him to take back his blanket statement, but it's those very fast and viscous judgments that curb actual conversation and basic understanding of other peoples' views. There is easy middle ground in true liberal/conservative conversations it takes one to unplug from the echo chamber. (PS I think Nick rules and I'm not dogging him for that, just using it as an example to articulate my points.)
Because Politics shouldn't matter in the Gaming Media, regardless of the poltical idealogy. I am not going to say Hello and Welcome to my gameplay of Megadimension Neptunia VII, now let us talk about faults in our Health Care and the War in Syria.
It's not that weird, the gaming industry is based in San Francisco, los Angeles etc. Places where conservatives are only 20% of the population. These stats Colin gave are great, but the industry isn't based in Texas
Tim get's a lot of shit but he made some really excellent points in this video. I agree with Tim and Nick. As an intermediate developer and hardcore gamer, there is definitely a stigma against the business side of the industry. While not necessarily the reality, consumers see publishers as holding back and messing up the creative liberal vision of developers. So if the majority of publishers are conservative, and the majority of creators are liberal, then of course liberals are going to be more outspoken as the conservative majority is innately hushed. The publishers aren't in the spotlight in general and the stigma prevents them from having a voice out of fear of being shutdown. So this carries over to journalism, where the associated stigma (publisher-conservative) could lose someone their job with one of the mainstream companies Colin is talking about. They can lose their job. THAT is why the conservative journalists don't speak up. Not that it's right of course, the hive mind mentality is my biggest issue with internet discussion. Colin's point on lack of diversity and hiring similar employees is astute. But it's also representative of the entire economy. Most game developers are white Caucasian males for that reason and it snowballs. Most industries have that indirect discrimination issue. My point is the progressive medium of games has explicit liberal values, but implicit conservative values. The hive mind sadly leaves little safety for freedom of speech regarding minority opinions.
+Weaksauceization what you describe seems to be along the lines of "fascism". Lose your job for being more of a conservative? Hiding your views do to being stigmatized? "conservative majority is innately hushed'?
+dcpack Well it's done by the public, and its the sad nature of the internet (minority gets silenced and/or abused). It would''t be fascist unless a government, dictator or someone similar was directly forcing it.
In 2016, I was 22 and didn’t care about politics at all. Was completely ignorant. I am now 28 and am much more tuned into politics.. man, I wish Colin was still around KF lol love many of his views.
In response to Greg talking about how Republicans hate X, Y, and Z.... The problem is the characterization of "hate". The media has deemed the liberal viewpoint as "correct" and anything that doesn't fall in line is "hate". Sucks to see that Greg even takes that view point of repubs, when he knows one and knows that the narrative isn't true. Also to Nick's point about "free and free thinking" artist is more liberal... it seems odd that the 'liberals' are the ones who demand everyone agree or else they accuse them of hate... or the liberals are the ones who believe the govt should remove the option to choose on several different issues. Sure, they're pro choice when it comes to abortion... but owning guns, buying health care, funding abortion, baking a cake, etc... all of that... Nope, no choice when it comes to any of that. Use the power of the federal gov't and force compliance. Liberals were about personal liberty when they were fighting against the system. Now they run the system and are using it against those they don't agree with.
+GlockGuy1926 I think it's more about rhetoric. The prominent Republicans we hear tend to use hateful rhetoric when discussing issues. Every single one of the Republican candidates used this type of rhetoric (aside from Kashich, but the Republican base didn't have any interest in him, which is telling). Conservative discussions tend to devolve into shouting matches for a reason. Congressional Republicans are using ridiculously petty strategies like refusing to consider a Supreme Court Nominee for a reason. They HATE liberals. They HATE Obama. It's not an illusion; it's obvious.
+GlockGuy1926 I agree. I don't know that it's necessarily Greg getting swept up by the media; he might just be that ignorant of the other side's viewpoint. But the fact that he doesn't see a problem in characterizing your average republican as hating gay people and abortions definitely indicates the culture we're talking about. And for all of the following stuff, I agree as well. Modern liberalism, as a movement, basically doesn't care about people's choices, which is pretty much incompatible with the message of tolerance a lot of liberals carry around. It's hard to see how one fits the other.
Republicans don't use any more hateful rhetoric than Democrats do. Unless, of course, you do exactly what I said above and categorize anything that doesn't line up with liberal values as "hate". Hateful rhetoric? You mean like comparing people you don't agree with terrorists? Because that's what Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi did. Or hateful rhetoric like demonizing people and calling them greedy/inhuman/unamerican for not paying their "fair share" even though people who make more than $250k per year pay over 50% of the taxes paid every year? Hateful rhetoric is definitely not exclusive to Republicans... and with the recent madness that's taken place on campus, I'd say it's more common for liberals to be the ones shouting down, insulting, and threatening those who don't agree with them. Of course when you categorize all dissenting opinion as "hate" then it's easy to justify that hate they spew in return. Sure, the republican primaries have been ridiculous... mainly due to Trump, who is really a democrat, has always been a democrat, and was actually a Clinton supporter for decades until he decided to pull the biggest ruse in the history of the republican party and call himself a republican. Liberal conversations devolve into shouting matches. Especially when someone doesn't fall in line. And oddly enough, Harry Reid (a democrat) was just fine with not confirming a supreme court nominee back in 2005. I guess it's because he HATES republicans, and HATED Bush, right?
***** Refusing a hearing and refusing a confirmation are two vastly different things. And of course liberal conversations can become shouting matches as well. I was talking about a noticeable trend. Anyway, you're making a wide variety of assumptions about assumptions you think I'm making, and conversations like these never go anywhere.
blueoystercultforevs The majority of your post was assumption and generalizations. The majority of mine was referring to specific instances that have actually happened. The assumptions I made were when I was purposely imitating your assumptions, but doing it from the opposite point of view.
Having lived in San Fran and NYC area I have to say that Tim is a classic San Fran raised person and Colin is a classic NYC raised person. Draw whatever conclusions from that you'd like.
As someone who has his toe dipped in games journalism, I have outright feared for my job because managing editors have said "I will NEVER hire/work with a Republican" or "What kind of person would support XXX, I would NEVER tolerate being around them" or even "They should be arrested for saying YYY." That kind of rhetoric SILENCES any form of dissent in a workplace.
I think there are very few conservative gamers because of how the Right Wing Christians painted video games as evil. However, with the Left Wing SJWs painting gamers as evil, you may see a shift in the future. That's my best guess.
Listen to the guy second from the right at about 7 minutes in. He flat out says that Republicans are horrible people and nobody should publicly admit to being one and that the only kind of Republican he can put up with are ones that agree with him about everything that's important to him (i.e., ones that are actually liberals on his key issues). And everybody is just kinda like "Yep". That's why there aren't more conservatives in industries like this. Why the fuck would anybody want to work with you if that's how you feel about them, and your community is such a hugbox that you feel comfortable just loudly declaring that in public?
Something I don't think you touched on Colin - If you lean Conservatively and you want any sort of career in this industry, it's terrifying to talk about it. It's scary to share those opinions when you know you've got tens to hundreds of people ready to tear you apart for it. The games industry feels a massive, exclusive clique that will start a witch hunt at the drop of a hat for tweeting just one opposing opinion.
+Jimmy Champane maybe.. that should give you pause to at the very least.. just think real critically about your political beliefs for once. Not due to outside pressure, but because.. well.. if you are scared to talk about what you believe in.. that is a really really really bad sign for its validity.
1. Conservatives don't speak up, especially in progressive groupthink bubbles like SF. 2. Liberals go into games media, and journalism generally, more than conservatives because of their values and view of self. Conservatives tend to go into productive, STEM fields (e.g. engineering, finance, economics, or science) more often while liberals study English, gender/cultural studies more often (i.e. less productive). Many liberals think everyone cares about their opinions and their words have a significant impact on the world, so media to them is self-congratulatory/ego inflating. So when a woman developer cheated on her boyfriend to get her game reviewed, games media was all too quick to denounce gamers and make things political; they wanted to show how "progressive" they were and hop on the intersectional feminist lunatic bandwagon.
Dork Born 1. Most major tech companies are run and were founded by libertarians (Wikipedia, Facebook, etc). Many of them just keep their views secretive (especially in the intolerant, radical Bay Area). 2. The vast majority of scientific research is privately funded, and engineering and physical sciences are DOMINATED by those who favor small gov't. 3. Higher education is filled with cultural Marxists and postmodernists (save for economics, math, or sciences), and they hold no credibility/intellectual rigor. It's largely transformed into a bureaucracy and admins actively discriminate against conservatives, which has accelerated a trend of conservatives leaving academia that started about 30 years ago.
6% identify as republicans but 9% consider themselves conservatives. But yes the overwhelming majority of scientists identify as liberal/democrat. I think young people and creative types tend to be liberal. Probably because liberal views tend to be centered around trying new things and finding new solutions to problems. Whereas conservatives views tend to favor the status quo, or hearken back to old days. Hence the older demographic for conservatism. At least thats my entirely unscientific take on the issue. And why an industry like games journalism which is largely compromised of young creative types tends to be overwhelmingly liberal.
Boner Patrol Love the name lmao. But I think it's also important to distinguish between scientists at universities (that teach science) and ones who conduct groundbreaking research in corporate America. I don't have the data on me, as no sauce was provided, but I'd figure that physicists at say the LHC would have more conservative or libertarian views than a biologist at a liberal arts college. From my experiences at 3 different top 10 universities (for my undergrad, masters, and phd), my experience is that most physical science professors hold conservative or libertarian points of view.
I believe the gaming industry is mostly super liberal because they are from Super liberal Southern California. As a republican I appreciate Collin speaking out even though I disagree with him on Trump and abortion.
+forgetPAT1 Disagree many of us are this open minded we are just results oriented over ideal oriented and a group. Many of us don't like Trump and everything he stands for but we will err to side that has the ability to get something done.
+forgetPAT1 very true. The world needs more people like Colin. He's the only Repubicann can listen to and think "this guy is actually worth listening to" lol. There's no hate speech or anything terrible he says. It's all logical stuff.
Ok, as a conservative Canadian guy, I did notice that Colin was pretty much the only self-identified conservative in the gaming media. But what's funny is, even though he's conservative, he agrees with liberals on nearly every major issue, says he voted for Obama in 2008 (although perhaps one can forgive not wanting to vote for a ticket which included Sarah Palin), and praises Rachel Maddow. Now, this doesn't bother me, but it's pretty hilarious that the only conservative in the games media is an Obama-voting, MSNBC-loving, pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage conservative lol. But, the truth is the gaming media is openly hostile to conservatives, which is what drives them away.Frankly, my experience on the KindaFunny forums, and why I no longer post there, is a perfect example of why conservatives don't participate. I posted in a feminism thread, which became the most popular thread in the general section (because of me, no brag), and the feminist moderators kept trying to turn it into a resource for feminist websites instead of allowing an open discussion. I was told repeatedly that critical opinions of modern feminism was not contributing positively to the discussion, and etc. It was weird. So I stopped posting because I was being reported for absurd shit, like making a joke in the style of pepe lepieu and being told by a moderator that it was widely known that Pepe Lepieu was "problematic" due to his sexual harassment.....
Sorry for the length, but i really do think this touches on a very important issue that is worth discussing in depth amd while I totally understand if people don't read all of this, O'd greatly appreciate it if someone did as i hope I will have contributed something worthwhile to the discussion. For better or worse, modern liberalism is the ideology that has taken dominance in the media and entertainment industries and it is what is taught to people in public education to be automatically believed without question by default. I have my own opinions but whether it is good or bad isn't really the point. A lot of people claim the worldview they have, not because they've tried to rationally know exactly what they believe and why they believe it because they hold them out of social convenience and have never been actively confronted with opposing ideas in day to day life. I think that is largely why, as Colin said, many people who are so emotionally reactive to hearing opposing opinions either don't really know what they are talking about, they can't well articulate an arguement for why their beliefs are just and right, or they can't fathom anybody not thinking the same as them, because, in my opinion and experience, they were conditioned by environment and nurture to believe that their beliefs were assumed to be what every sane person automatically does and should believe. It's not because they're stupid or anything. It's because they've probably never had to purposefully engage themselves intellectually in order to defend their beliefs in the arena of public opinion like Colin and many conservative minded people of all stripes have been forced to do for the past generation or two. As a result they don't know how to handle and acclimate to the most important kind of diversity, intellectual diversity, and can't justify to themselves that not everybody thinks and believes as they do. That's just a completely foreign concept to a lot of (currently mostly liberal) people. I mean no disrespect by any of what I'm saying, nor do I intend to pick fights because that's not my goal here. It's worth mentioning that I say this as an evangelical Christian in faith and economically and socially a libertarian-conservative in ideology. Although it may be expressed in sime different ways, truth be told, you see a fundamentally identical attitude, among some conservative minded religious people who likewise probably also weren't taught critical thinking in conjunction with their faith or ideology but instead had predetermined beliefs forced upon them at a young, vulnerable age no differently than how the same has happened and is happening to many default liberals getting liberal rhetoric and talking points drummed into their heads on repeat in the liberal public education system and through the liberal dominated mainstream media and entertainment industries. Conservatives, the religious, liberals, the irreligious, whoever really, are all equally susceptible to this given the right conditions and environments, so I don't want to be accused of being unfair in my criticisms. It's just that in supposedly mainstream society as it exists today, or at least how entertainment and media say society really exists today, its the default socially convenient liberals who seem most susceptible to this. While of course I would like people to agree with me and would gladly argue my case for why I believe I'm right about a lot of things, what's ultimately most important for an intellectually diverse but peacable, civil society isn't necessarily that everyone absolutely has to agree. What's most important is that regardless of whatever worldview we ascribe to, no matter when or on what we night disagree, we should all strive to foster a culture that encourages critical thinking and a willingness to have an open and honest discussion of ideas, because whether or not some people end up agreeing or disagreeing about things, at the end of the day, that's really the only way we can make society the best we can make it for the collective good of everyone. Until someone legit shows up with a verifiably better way of doing things differently, I think it's our collective responsibility to collectively do the best we can with what we got in the meantime.
Bravo to kinda funny for brining up this kind of topic. Obviously not the norm for the channel but these guys have influence on younger Americans and its a good thing to get people to think and care about the state of the country especially in terms of the worsening economy and slowly but surely impingement on our freedoms. Colin should consider staring a side channel addressing geo political news to help educate and keep viewers up to date
Love it Colin, we live in Australia and isn't funny how the smartest people in politics are not actually in politics..... keep up the conversations mate love em
Greg's initial response to finding out Colin was a Republican is precisely why there aren't more people who identify themselves as Republican in the games media. If GamerGate didn't open your eyes a bit, I don't know what would. The second you go against the status quo, no matter how logically sound your argument, no matter how logically fallacious the opposition, that opposition will simply babble into the echo chamber, which happily babbles back exactly what they want to hear, logic be damned. *Colin wants to know why he's the "only one" that's outspoken.* The answer can be found with these two questions: Who do you report to, Colin? And who do most people in the games industry report to? There's your answer.
This episode was definitely different, but I thought it was really good. I think Nick hit on some great points talking about the entertainment industry as a whole. I wish there were more (vocal) conservatives. I think having people with different perspectives would offer more variety in how games are discussed and dijested. Thanks for bringing this one up Colin.
Nick makes a great point. Artistic people are largely liberal and most outward facing personalities are artists of some sort. I'm sure there are plenty of conservatives in the games and games journalism industries that are on the business side of things.
The games media is a joke - a massive hugbox of like-minded bloggers. All of their wacky San Francisco politics are the exact same and Colin is absolutely right that he is literally one of the only one with a different viewpoint. Every time a blogger from Polygon or Kotaku write an opinion piece with their wacky politics inserted into it, their comments section is always pissed off writing about how ridiculous the article is. The interesting things is that no matter where they stand politically, gamers tend to hate the interestingly specific politics of the games press and they're getting more and more annoyed with it as time passes. The fact that 99% of the games press has literally the same exact political viewpoints is interesting and I wonder just how it happens, someone should really delve into that and figure out why.
i think it may be because people like to keep their politics out of business, both political ends have a lot of hate from eachother. personally im a filthy liberal, and many conservatives voices i find kinda offensive and stupid. But i dont wanna be one of those impotent liberal teens who loves censorship, so id like there to be more right wingers and then for them to be shut down through debate.
+yeah okay player This is the level of tolerance of opinion ive come to expect from sjws. Alot of the time they just block those who disagree with them.
Being a polite conservative republican who is moderately socially liberal now living in the LA area I totally identify with what Colin is saying. It is an echo chamber.
I can relate but I live in a very interesting environment within California. The conservatives and republicans, one in the same but on different extremes per say, anyways, are rare but happen to be concentrated in several regions of this state. For example, where I live, about an hour and half from LA in Lake Elsinore to Temecula the area is dominantly republican actually, in terms of fiscal and for some, to a way lesser extent, somewhat socially. I grew up in an environment very pro republican yet in a Democratic state.
Has there ever been a well informed political liberal to debate Colin on any show he's on? It seems only passive liberals that aren't passionate about politics, economics, and history are allowed on the show.
Conservatives keep their conservatism quiet because they don't want it to damage their game or company's image. Not because they're ashamed, but because they know a lot of liberals and moderates see conservatives as abortion haters and gay haters like what Greg said. So it might be an even split behind the scenes, but it will never seem that way publicly.
+Brian J Who says it's a two party system? There are hundreds of political parties in the United States. Many of them are too small to have umph, but they are there & active.
+Brian J As someone who lives in a country with a lot of... participating parties, trust me, there's no difference. There will always be two big parties fighting each other, and all the smaller ones chose sides. Every once in a while, a smaller party rises, and what do the old big parties do in response? They ally with each other, so there's technically only two parties competing again. Then the smaller formerly rising party sinks, the alliance breaks, and you repeat the same process over, and over, and over again.
The question isn't "Where were we when Colin was writing about political correctness in 2010/2011?", the question is "Where has Colin been for the last two years?" Where was Colin when Target Australia removed GTA V from store shelves? Where was Colin when Hatred was removed from Steam? Where was Colin when Koei Tecmo refused to release Dead or Alive Extreme 3 because of (in their own words) "many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry?" Where was Colin when numerous popular titles were being hacked to pieces by localization teams in accordance with regressive Bay Area sensibilities? Where was Colin everytime the gaming press decided to smear their audience as a bunch of sexist, racist homophobic, transphobic, bigoted reactionaries? I'll tell you where he was. He was hanging out with Greg "Muh 25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male" Miller.
Why is the Republican getting so upset? Is he just afraid that his archaic, regressive world views are being crushed by progressive, intelligent voices who want the world to move forward?
Max Palombella Why is there a need to be an sjw? If you want to help gay and trans people thats fine but most sjw censor anything they dont like, label opposing opinions as hate speech and i could go on. The 3rd wave feminist movement is lead by the radicals and people still claim the movement is about equality despite the actions of its member and refer back to the definition lol.
+David Carlson like, I love this show and the cast, but after so many years of libertarian rhetoric being largely unchallenged, it would be nice to have someone on the show who can actually argue against Colin from a left wing position.
Colin at 4:18 - Irony of missing the point. Greg explained to Colin why Colin is not really a conservative and then Colin focused on polls using the outdated interpretation of conservative. The modern conservative folks are more focused on social conservatism rather than fiscal conservatism. The fact that Colin thinks that abortion is a 'settled' issue shows where he is weak on political issues. Nothing is ever settled because people are constantly fighting to overturn laws and rulings.
+Lerkero That is patently untrue narrative that you have taken directly from the talking points propagated by the media, clearly controlled by the other side of the ideological spectrum.
Colin needs to understand that people in games journalism write about games, so why would they turn away many readers by writing pro-Trump or pro-Clinton news story's. And all his views really don't line up at all with republicans at all, so why does he stick with that sports team?
It's not that hard to understand why. The answer is obviously social issues. From what I've seen, Colin's not even a 'true" Republican, he just leans more in that direction for certain issues. What does it matter who labels themselves as Republican and who doesn't when the one person in games journalism who does label himself as Republican doesn't even adhere to most of the Republican party's platform himself? Most people are moderate anyway.
Right. With all due respect to those that may disagree, most rational people tend to be fiscally conservative and socially progressive, whether they understand that they are.
+Sandor Clegane I agree and find it hard to believe that Colin can't see this. You don't often hear which way someone votes, but rather their opinions on issues like abortion, racism, sexism, gay rights etc. Based on Colin's opinions on these issues, he seems liberal and not Republican. We only know he is a Republican because he talks about it all of the time. There are probably many people like that in the industry.
The problem is within the question itself, no? It boils the issue of politics into two side, conservatives and liberals, when in reality it is a whole spectrum of opinions. And the saddest part is that this not only happens in this video, but shows the overall view of American politics, that separate the conversation into only two sides, of which people have to try and force themselves to fit into. Colin says he is a Republican, and you say he isn't a "true" Republic because of that. This separation into two side makes it hard for people to pick and choose, and creates a "me vs them" mentality that damages the conversation. It's a real shame. So, in conclusion, the problem with the discussion in the video is that Colin puts out two sides (conservative and liberals) and is inconsistent with the definition of them, because in reality politics isn't a dichotomy, and shouldn't be boiled down to one. Now, there is a discussion to be had about representation of ideas in the media and the silencing of voices that disagree with the majority. Granted they do talk about it, but not in the amount of depth I would like to see it discussed. Overall, great episode. Love Colin 's more political topics.
Lucas Carpanzano You've said it perfectly. I love Colin, I rock his 'Colin was right' shirt all the time, but he's missing a very important part of the puzzle about party identification.
+Michael Galardi Ohhh thank you. Yeah, party identification is really a issue, even more so in a country where you basically have only two options and have to deal with all the baggage that comes with each label. I mean, there are dozens of different ideologies and even does are labels that you may not fit in. I myself am from a contract with many parties and have a hard time identifying myself with one of them, can't even fathom hard hard it must be over there. Although... there are some pretty interesting advantages to the American system... so I don't have a set opinion on which is better... just different, each system with its own problems. But yeah, the party identification is in fact only a side effect of the human nature of labelling everything and everyone around, in order to better understand the world. It's how our brain works. Another pretty interesting subject, responsible for many horrible things, and many amazing ones.
As a staunch libertarian I really do not feel written to in games media. I recognize it as a reader. I recognize it on my games media dominated twitter account. Colin's voice is actually one of the several guiding aspects to where I consume games. I think Colin's unique view (in this industry at least) makes the discourse about games more rich and lively. He attacks the seemingly apolitical games news from a different angle and I enjoy that a lot. Kinda Funny and Kinda Funny Games has the richest content and discussion anywhere else in the games industry. You all are among the elite members of games and entertainment press and media.
As an Iraq war veteran, I consider myself a constitutionalist. I'm conservative but keep it to myself because when I do liberals become viscious and say horrible things about me just like Greg did at the beginning of this video. There are a lot of misconceptions about us. The thing that gets me the most hate is when I admit I'm a Christian. I just want everyone happy, healthy, and free. Lead with respect and love in your life and it doesn't matter what you think politically. Greg just called the Christian Republicans evil... I rest my case. So sad.
Politics attract the worst kind of people, imo. The problem is politics is dominated by political propaganda rather than actual information, and propaganda is specifically designed to be divisive. Whether its "conservatives are racists" or "liberals are welfare queens", its all a bunch of bullshit meant to trigger an emotional response, rather than thoughtful policy discussion. And the whole good/evil dichotomy is like crack to dickbags that are looking for an excuse to treat others like shit. I waver depending on the issue, but I mostly side with liberals. But at the end of the day im just making educated guesses, I could be dead wrong. Everyone ultimately has the same goal, and wants whats best for the country. Regardless of how much the propaganda tries to convince us otherwise.
I identify myself as Republican, but I feel that the government should worry about running the economy first and foremost. After that social issues should not be touched by the government. It feels like a new third party needs to be formed to speak to our ideology.
I think the biggest thing to take into consideration is why consider yourself a socially liberal conservative? Do most that share Colin's ideology consider themselves fiscally conservative liberals. Social issues matter more to how others see you then fiscal matters. It's the equivalent of saying you care more about your pocketbook than women, lgbt, and minorities.
Thank you for bringing this up. As a conservative nerd I have always felt ostracized and like an outsider in gaming, comics, etc. There just don't seem to be many of us, at least as far as I've seen.
+Jonathan Litwinka I think it is because art relates directly to social issues. Video games are art, so the most important political topics will be things like gender equality or marriage equality, etc. These things align perfectly with the Democratic party.
I think conservatives just don't really broadcast or advertise as much. (Aside from Colin... lol) I think so many people have such a false and negative view of conservatives without actually knowing what a lot of them stand for or believe in. Most automatically assume you're a shitty person. So I think a lot of them just keep it to themselves to avoid being stereotyped or judged... I know I have in the past. A lot of the times when you try and explain what being a conservative means to you or why you align with that party, people will make the remark, "Oh well then you're not really a republican." Even though, we have many different types of people in our party. Fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, constitutional conservatives, Evangelicals, Tea Party, etc... there are so many sub groups all just hanging out under the umbrella of "Republican". I also think a lot of the "silent republican syndrome" comes from how a lot of us think as members of that party. Not all, but a lot of liberals tend to have a groupthink mentality. Taking care of everyone, sharing everything, collective acceptance, etc... while I think republicans have a much different mindset. They don't want government or other people dictating their lives, so they don't really care about or seek the approvals of others on their opinions. Now this certainly not true for everyone. Just my thoughts on why many people may just not talk about it. I'm a republican as well, and there are plenty of situations where I just don't feel the need to broadcast it or just don't want to deal with judgment from people who just really don't understand what being a conservative really is.Just my two cents... great video! Keep it up guys! ^_^
I'm Belgian and I love when Colin talks US politics cause the only thing we hear about US politics is when a presidential candidate says something stupid
I actually think it's pretty simple. Game developers and journalists are usually pretty young(under 35). Statistically people under 35 are overwhelmingly liberal. Whether it is fair or not, it is equally representative of the age group. It is also very representative of the demographic of gamers, which are also mostly young and liberal.
Well, this topic was depressing to watch. The other guys didn't want to understand what Colin's argument was. I do agree that there's a huge disparity in the political views of the people that work in games media, and I think it is because the people that are in charge of hiring others pull from their circles, people that they know, and people that align with their political views. It is a huge problem but I don't think it's going to be solved until a serious publication rises with more conservative views. The closest thing I can think of is Giant Bomb, I'm 99% sure that the ones that work in Giant Bomb West, especially Gerstmann, Ryckert and maybe Shoemaker have views similar to Colin's but they NEVER talk about politics on their content, that's the decision they made. So yeah, us gamers that are more on the conservative side do feel alienated, I just shy away from articles and opinion pieces at this point, and it's a little sad because lately politics ARE in gaming, and are affecting the way people make games. Which makes Greg's argument more ridiculous, saying that people in games journalism only cares about games and not politics is just not true. And one last thing, the language used by Nick and Greg was bad, Greg saying that Republicans hate gay people, abortion, etc. is just ignorant to say and a sweeping generalization. And Nick comment about people that are pro life are not human beings... that's just something else. But yeah, thanks Colin for bringing this up and I just wish that the other guys would have tried a little better to understand your point and admit that it is absolutely unacceptable that other political views are not represented in games.
The abortion issue is totally not "settled". There are still women and CHILDREN in the United States who can not get an abortion in their town or even in their STATE.
Politics at Kinda Funny:
Colin: I'm economically conservative and socially liberal.
Tim: I like money. I like business.
Greg: Minorities are good, no more 9/11s.
+MassiveScore haha
yeah they are retarded
+jaks334 Are you 12 years old?
+Daniel Arshad be careful liberal hippi, ur alone here. get out
jaks334
Oooh I'm so scared! What are you gonna do, send me a comment in all caps? Fuck off.
Also, if you want to be a part in political discussions, learn how to spell, please.
I've been looking forward to this topic all week. #IStandWithColin
+Cubi Studios Stand up tall and proud.. it makes it much easier to identify the willfully ignorant and avoid them if they are standing...
+sluggdiddy
Angry boy.
+sluggdiddy #KeepCucksOnKnees
sluggdiddy Pretty sure you're the ignorant one if you just listened to this episode and still think that. Unbelievable.
+Cubi Studios Colin/Rand Paul are not real or true republicans/conservatives to core GOP republicans because in the minds of these people you have to pass the test of party purity. Which are as follows pro gun, anti gay, pro
life, anti minority, anti women, anti legalization of weed, pro christian/family values, pro Israel, pro tax breaks for big corps and businesses, pro small government, pro hate speech as long as muslims don't have that same right e.t.c. Which is why Rand Paul lost with his progressive reasoning on certain issues.
What's always so strange to me is that many liberals will be upset or disappointed if they find out an artist/actor they like is a republican because they don't like their views, but if I (as someone who's registered independent but leans libertarian) didn't listen to music or watch movies made by liberals, I'd have no media to enjoy. I understand politics are often emotionally charged, but shutting out voices you disagree with does more harm than good in my opinion. So to answer Colin's question, being a Republican in media often means getting run out of town by the "tolerant" liberals who disagree with you.
+Pierre Conrad I think it's because as Greg pointed out in the beginning, Republican/conservative ideology tends to be very xenophonbic and exclusionary of others who are different. Unlike Colin, most are socially republicans are socially conservative. Not all but most So to answer your question, it's hard for a liberal to be tolerant of people who are very intolerant of others.
+kuunami but new liberals are very tolerant to muslims who are intolerent to others
+kuunami No, republicans aren't exlusionary of others who are different. The media / universities portray it that way, but it's not actually true.
I'd wager the Democrat/liberal ideology tends to be exclusionary. Who is that want safe spaces where only one ideology is allowed to be expressed? It's not repubs/conservatives.
Who are the ones who categorize everything they don't agree with them as "hate"? Who are the ones who protest and disrupt when a speaker they don't agree with comes to campus? It's almost always liberals protesting a conservative speaker.
The narrative is "Republican/conservative ideology tends to be very xenophonbic and exclusionary of others who are different" but in actuality that applies to the Dems just as much, if not more than Repubs.
+kuunami That's necessarily true anymore. Outspoken liberals have been extremely intolerant in the last few years. The worst example of this are the new groups of people who are "triggered" by the mere thought of a differing opinion. They'll shout over anyone else until they've "won." I've seen it all over my university and there are thousands of examples of this on RUclips. Political correctness, new wave "feminism," proclamations of cissexism, Black Lives Matter, etc. It's getting out of hand. Generally, their hearts are in the right place but rational argumentation has all but gone out the window.
Like Colin said, republicans are often the butt of jokes, whether it's Bill Maher, Stephen Colbert, or the thousands of pundits out there. Liberal media has been dominating the landscape, and there's been a massive increase of intolerance because of that. It's too one-sided now. People can get away with simply disregarding conservative opinions because of the imbalance. It's not good for the nation.
20:43 Greg felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced, by the looks of it.
lmfao
I didn't care about politics nearly as much as I do now and that's thanks to Colin. Colin has opened my mind to a lot of things and for the most part I agree with a lot of what he says. So I'm actually quite grateful he's so willing to talk about these issues. It sucks that he get's so much flack for saying the things he does, but I guess that's just the way people on the internet are these days.I'm all for open discourse and talking about such things, but the point is made that there are those, like me, who are hesitant to be open with my views because I don't want to deal with the constant attack of the hostile internet public. If it was polite debate, I'm cool with that, I hate the idea of an echo chamber, but I don't want to deal with the insults and accusations etc. So yeah, I stand with Colin but In general I keep my mouth shut and let my actions speak for me.
*See's title*
Okay ladies and gents,strap in, time for another epic Colin rant.
There's an Occam's Razor answer here that no one put forth because it seemed everyone wanted to be overly accepting of Colin's point. But that maybe being a journalist who specializes in video games is inherently something a progressive thinking person would want to do, as opposed to a conservative.
Journalism implies a desire to travel and see new places and people and tell their stories. Technology is a medium of moving forward at the speed of light, literally the opposite of the definition of conserving. And gaming is a creative artform about expression and interaction. None of these things align with Republican ideology if written down on paper. It's the same reason Hollywood is so liberal. It's not a conspiracy. It's not a conspiracy that people with college degrees are overwhelmingly more liberal. The desire to broaden your horizons and have your horizons broadened by others is a trait of progressive thinking.
Sports and the military are full of Republicans. Because those acts attract a more conservative mindset.
+Antics Semantics
Corny bullshit
James K Care to elaborate?
Huh??? So because games it's a "art form" the industry have more "progressives" journalists? Maybe is why the all this "progressive" lefties journalists are agreeing with each other leaving the voices and opinions of the more liberals out of the conversations
I invite you to listen at the most popular gaming podcast like the IGN's or Gamespot's you don't gonna get a argument and different point of views from issues in the gaming industry and what we get its a podcast of everybody agreeing with each other and sorry but that's inhuman, what makes us different from other species of this planet is because we can have different point of view and choose different paths to accomplish those point of view
+I DO JUEGOS my point is that I don't think people are being "left out". The people going into the field are already liberal leaning. All art is. I'm sure you've heard of "liberal arts". There isn't a "conservative arts".
+I DO JUEGOS Yo... salty sea dog!
I just want to say thank you to Colin. As a 22 year old liberal coming out of university, he challenges my viewpoints all the time and makes me question what my beliefs on the fiscal issues of the Nation. Keep doing what you do!
Keep the government out of my shit? Drugs are legal? Sounds like Libertarianism to me! I wish Colin would give up on the Republican tagline and just embrace Libertarianism instead. He's pretty much there already.
+Daily Dorks most libertarians find themselves in the republican party.
+Daily Dorks Yeah a lot of Libertarians, including myself, identify as Republican and register as a Republican so they can vote in Primary elections, and have a say in the party's nominee.
+Daily Dorks I wish people would stop pushing others to conform to what they want to
+CJ Smith Can't tell if you're being sarcastic or if you agree with me. After all, Libertarianism is all about not pushing your beliefs onto other people.
+Daily Dorks I'm sorry that came off hostile. I'm saying that you should just let people be what they want to be. Even though it might resemble libertarianism, it could also more accurately depict some of his Republican views.
Colin is a fucking boss. I dont agree with every single thing he says, but its so nice to hear a conservative voice out there. As a conservative I do feel like it is a shitty thing to exist in a forum where nearly everyone is against you. For whatever reason liberals are just more outspoken, and this just leads to perpetuating the stereotype that liberals are uninformed. I cant tell you how many liberals Ive argued with who know little to nothing about what they are talking about, or simply dont care about being realistic. Its far easier to echo a 20 word slogan you saw on twitter 10 times and follow that, then looking into the issue yourself and forming your own opinion based on facts.
I love Colin with his page of political party stats lol.
Before watching the video, I assume the reason there are not a lot of republicans in games media is because the media in general is pretty much all liberal. Whenever someone's opinion differ from the liberal agenda, they are deemed bigots, or ignorant, etc. its really a shame people aren't allowed to express themselves without being suppressed. Its not because a lot of people are liberal, its because the few who are, are the most influential.
+GawsHawg LOL fuck off FOX NEWS is one of the biggest if not the biggest news media in the planet and sorry to tell you they aint libtards lol
CNN...
Speaking as a foreigner, your Democrats are largely right-wing by EU scales. Sanders is an exception, but notice a lot of what he wants to do is stuff we take for granted. If you go any further right you risk losing European viewers by sounding like... well Trump. Cause without years of cultural indoctrination into American philosophy, most Republican talking points do sound like him.
+Twilord yup, I completely agree
It could be said that games media might lean more liberal. Media overall skews far more conservative. Mainstream news media is even more conservative than that (corporations owned by wealthy people, that benefit more from conservatism than liberalism).
"How would they return Roe V. Wade? Who could overturn Roe V Wade?"
I'm generally with colin on most things but wow talk about a sentence that aged like milk! Crazy times we're living in.
Colin saying he's the only public conservative, when he's sat at a table with Nick and Greg, both of whom admitted they're fiscally conservative, but socially liberal (exactly like Colin). The big difference between Colin and them is that he's more politically engaged and out-spoken.
I wish Colin would do a political show like Dan Carlins common sense. Conversations and different views is good, and I think Colin could be a good lighthouse for that conversation.
As a self identifying Libertarian much like Colin, I believe the Republican party has a major PR problem. They'd rather pander to the religious fanatics, than appeal to young entrepreneurs who want the government out of their pockets. It's easier for the Republican leadership to rally their "base" through preying on the fears of the less educated. They like to promote the idea that America is perfect and anyone who questions that ideology is wrong. This gives way to jingoism, which gives way to worse things like xenophobia and racism. Fear is very real and very powerful and it's how the current leadership of the party chooses to gain voters. Liberals see this and associate anyone with conservative views as women hating-gun nut racists.
Common sense conservatism is very appealing and IMO makes the most sense. That doesn't mean I don't see anything inherently flawed with it. It's good to surround yourself with more liberal leaning people because they might illuminate some problems with your current political philosophy. We aren't on different teams, there are no teams, just an exchange of ideas. The art of compromise and compassion seems all but lost in higher tiers of American politics. It's become no different than the nonsense that goes on in other parts of popular culture. Things like team ps4 vs team xbox, or mac vs pc, or sonic vs mario (I'm old). People want to be part of the winning team, and they'll fight tooth and nail to prove that to themselves.
The games media and by extension the SJW movement is no different than the crazy right wingers who cling to their guns and bibles. It's an extreme example of a sensible ideology gone wonky. I've seen games journalists pounce on people on twitter and shame people for their views and actions. I've also read through numerous games reviews that state their political views as facts. This feeds the fire of what I wrote in my previous paragraph. There is no equal representation in the games media, which IMO is dangerous. Echo chambers are never good. It's how good people with good intentions become bullies, and the arbiters of what's cool or allowed. There is no more room for a dissenting opinion. Try it and you'll be shamed on twitter, which for many in the games media is their livelihood.
+Elliot Grey There are way more religious people than there are young entrepreneurs especially since the government makes it incredibly hard for small businesses to survive. Both parties do their best to best to appeal to the lowest common denominator, and its a fact that uneducated people tend to vote Democrat, so that isnt what they're going for necessarily. It makes far more sense to go for the votes of millions and alienate a few people than go after the votes of a few and alienate millions. At the end of the day elections are a numbers game.
+Elliot Grey Trump.
Greg made some great stereotypes about Republicans. I'm a DAMN proud Trump supporter and there's nothing wrong with that. Not even Colin has my side now.
Damn. It's like Colin's waking up from the sjw matrix
+Douglas Harris It's about time.
agreed
+Douglas Harris You redpillers are fucking pathetic. Leave the house every now and then and you'll realize there's no "sjw matrix".
+Daniel Arshad There is an sjw culture, especially in media and entertainment.
+jkjkjk I haven't encountered an SJW in real life. Mostly just online. They don't really have much of an effect outside of the internet in my experience.
Shoutout to Patrick for being an awesome guest :-D
+SB Games why?
+SB Games because gay?
The data Colin presented is kind of misleading, I did a little more research into it and the numbers skew more heavily to the left when you look at people who vote Democrat vs Republican because moderates tend to skew more towards Democrats.
Also, you can pretty easily look at demographics and see why there aren't many conservatives in the games industry: the groups that tend to vote for Republicans are older and tend to have less education which matches up poorly with a games industry full of young, college educated people.
+LinkMaster2703 Not at all, a good amount of republicans skew towards like Colin said businesses and entrepreneurs. Just because colleges offer liberal educations doesn't mean that those who are older meaning the actual people Colin was referring to the 30+ year old wouldn't be educated conservatives. Plus the voting is not the focal point of the discussion.
I agree man... I'm not sure why Colin cant understand this. Seems rather straight forward. "No one wants to vote for trump or Cruz?"... No, because of exactly what you stated. Most people in this industry are college educated, not uneducated 80 year olds. The people that lean conservative are literally dying off
+caseyls2323 Once again, college existed 80 years ago and that misinterprets Colin's argument for WHY it's concerning and the datas meaning.
+caseyls2323 yeah you didn't heard Colin's points at all, please listen then type
+caseyls2323 College educated? It's spelled i-n-d-o-c-t-r-i-n-a-t-e-d. When people grow up and learn from harsh reality and experience, they start skewing conservative. Tale as old as time.
Your not being a devils advocate Tim. You just don't know what you are talking about
+SchultziePlays - You can see in his face that he's already defensive before he opens his mouth because he knows he's about to say something stupid, but he's not sure what.
I used to be a conservative Republican; but then I started to have empathy for my fellow humans.
The industry does not appear to be welcome to ideas, Especially conservative ideas, that differ from mainstream media liberal mentality. Even if you are socially liberal and fiscally conservative or in any way conservative the games industry does not seem to be a welcoming place. I've made a point of Never talking politics when around industry people or really with anybody unless it's close friends or family. Not that my views are radical, controversial, or even Close to hardcore right/left, it's just that society today is ultra sensitive about politics and the games industry is very much so. I would hope as artists that creative discussions could openly happen, as it does in my circle of diverse artistic friends, but that doesn't seem to be the case in the majority of the games industry. Perhaps this is mainly the games media/personalities who portray this mentality and that is not the case with the industry as a whole.
Nick's quick judgement/comment on stating all people who believe in pro life are not a human being is exactly the issue here. He may not mean that statement after he said it, and it took Colin to explain his stance on pro life for him to take back his blanket statement, but it's those very fast and viscous judgments that curb actual conversation and basic understanding of other peoples' views. There is easy middle ground in true liberal/conservative conversations it takes one to unplug from the echo chamber. (PS I think Nick rules and I'm not dogging him for that, just using it as an example to articulate my points.)
Because Politics shouldn't matter in the Gaming Media, regardless of the poltical idealogy. I am not going to say Hello and Welcome to my gameplay of Megadimension Neptunia VII, now let us talk about faults in our Health Care and the War in Syria.
The gaming press is a clique.
Her?
It's not that weird, the gaming industry is based in San Francisco, los Angeles etc. Places where conservatives are only 20% of the population. These stats Colin gave are great, but the industry isn't based in Texas
Tim get's a lot of shit but he made some really excellent points in this video.
I agree with Tim and Nick. As an intermediate developer and hardcore gamer, there is definitely a stigma against the business side of the industry. While not necessarily the reality, consumers see publishers as holding back and messing up the creative liberal vision of developers. So if the majority of publishers are conservative, and the majority of creators are liberal, then of course liberals are going to be more outspoken as the conservative majority is innately hushed. The publishers aren't in the spotlight in general and the stigma prevents them from having a voice out of fear of being shutdown. So this carries over to journalism, where the associated stigma (publisher-conservative) could lose someone their job with one of the mainstream companies Colin is talking about. They can lose their job. THAT is why the conservative journalists don't speak up. Not that it's right of course, the hive mind mentality is my biggest issue with internet discussion. Colin's point on lack of diversity and hiring similar employees is astute. But it's also representative of the entire economy. Most game developers are white Caucasian males for that reason and it snowballs. Most industries have that indirect discrimination issue. My point is the progressive medium of games has explicit liberal values, but implicit conservative values. The hive mind sadly leaves little safety for freedom of speech regarding minority opinions.
+Weaksauceization what you describe seems to be along the lines of "fascism". Lose your job for being more of a conservative? Hiding your views do to being stigmatized? "conservative majority is innately hushed'?
+dcpack Well it's done by the public, and its the sad nature of the internet (minority gets silenced and/or abused). It would''t be fascist unless a government, dictator or someone similar was directly forcing it.
In 2016, I was 22 and didn’t care about politics at all. Was completely ignorant. I am now 28 and am much more tuned into politics.. man, I wish Colin was still around KF lol love many of his views.
I also miss hearing Colin's input on the KF discussions! Like you, I was 22 then, and now I'm 28. #1993 #1994
"fuck up your career over political views"? You guys should go talk to Curt Shilling.
Because liberals are just soooo tolerant
Are you throwing shade on liberals, you shitlord???? PERMABANNED, DOXXED, FORCED TO RESIGN, FIRED FROM YOUR JOB
In response to Greg talking about how Republicans hate X, Y, and Z.... The problem is the characterization of "hate". The media has deemed the liberal viewpoint as "correct" and anything that doesn't fall in line is "hate".
Sucks to see that Greg even takes that view point of repubs, when he knows one and knows that the narrative isn't true.
Also to Nick's point about "free and free thinking" artist is more liberal... it seems odd that the 'liberals' are the ones who demand everyone agree or else they accuse them of hate... or the liberals are the ones who believe the govt should remove the option to choose on several different issues. Sure, they're pro choice when it comes to abortion... but owning guns, buying health care, funding abortion, baking a cake, etc... all of that... Nope, no choice when it comes to any of that. Use the power of the federal gov't and force compliance.
Liberals were about personal liberty when they were fighting against the system. Now they run the system and are using it against those they don't agree with.
+GlockGuy1926 I think it's more about rhetoric. The prominent Republicans we hear tend to use hateful rhetoric when discussing issues. Every single one of the Republican candidates used this type of rhetoric (aside from Kashich, but the Republican base didn't have any interest in him, which is telling). Conservative discussions tend to devolve into shouting matches for a reason. Congressional Republicans are using ridiculously petty strategies like refusing to consider a Supreme Court Nominee for a reason. They HATE liberals. They HATE Obama. It's not an illusion; it's obvious.
+GlockGuy1926 I agree. I don't know that it's necessarily Greg getting swept up by the media; he might just be that ignorant of the other side's viewpoint. But the fact that he doesn't see a problem in characterizing your average republican as hating gay people and abortions definitely indicates the culture we're talking about.
And for all of the following stuff, I agree as well. Modern liberalism, as a movement, basically doesn't care about people's choices, which is pretty much incompatible with the message of tolerance a lot of liberals carry around. It's hard to see how one fits the other.
Republicans don't use any more hateful rhetoric than Democrats do. Unless, of course, you do exactly what I said above and categorize anything that doesn't line up with liberal values as "hate".
Hateful rhetoric? You mean like comparing people you don't agree with terrorists? Because that's what Hillary Clinton or Nancy Pelosi did. Or hateful rhetoric like demonizing people and calling them greedy/inhuman/unamerican for not paying their "fair share" even though people who make more than $250k per year pay over 50% of the taxes paid every year? Hateful rhetoric is definitely not exclusive to Republicans... and with the recent madness that's taken place on campus, I'd say it's more common for liberals to be the ones shouting down, insulting, and threatening those who don't agree with them. Of course when you categorize all dissenting opinion as "hate" then it's easy to justify that hate they spew in return.
Sure, the republican primaries have been ridiculous... mainly due to Trump, who is really a democrat, has always been a democrat, and was actually a Clinton supporter for decades until he decided to pull the biggest ruse in the history of the republican party and call himself a republican.
Liberal conversations devolve into shouting matches. Especially when someone doesn't fall in line.
And oddly enough, Harry Reid (a democrat) was just fine with not confirming a supreme court nominee back in 2005. I guess it's because he HATES republicans, and HATED Bush, right?
***** Refusing a hearing and refusing a confirmation are two vastly different things. And of course liberal conversations can become shouting matches as well. I was talking about a noticeable trend. Anyway, you're making a wide variety of assumptions about assumptions you think I'm making, and conversations like these never go anywhere.
blueoystercultforevs
The majority of your post was assumption and generalizations. The majority of mine was referring to specific instances that have actually happened. The assumptions I made were when I was purposely imitating your assumptions, but doing it from the opposite point of view.
New Tim shirt "I like money,... I like business"
+Neon Collects Glad to hear I'm not the only one who's been touched by those deep words of wisdom.
+Chiliocosm it might be the most down low in joke in kindafunny history because I'm afraid many people won't get that far into the video
Having lived in San Fran and NYC area I have to say that Tim is a classic San Fran raised person and Colin is a classic NYC raised person. Draw whatever conclusions from that you'd like.
+Bolt RN, BSN CCRN Actually NYC is a very democratic place as well.
As someone who has his toe dipped in games journalism, I have outright feared for my job because managing editors have said "I will NEVER hire/work with a Republican" or "What kind of person would support XXX, I would NEVER tolerate being around them" or even "They should be arrested for saying YYY." That kind of rhetoric SILENCES any form of dissent in a workplace.
I think there are very few conservative gamers because of how the Right Wing Christians painted video games as evil.
However, with the Left Wing SJWs painting gamers as evil, you may see a shift in the future.
That's my best guess.
You seem to be stuck in the 1990s.
+Jacob McQuaid He's not stuck in the 90's, conservatives are.
+Jacob McQuaid more like 70's
+Jacob McQuaid Gamergate anyone?
Listen to the guy second from the right at about 7 minutes in. He flat out says that Republicans are horrible people and nobody should publicly admit to being one and that the only kind of Republican he can put up with are ones that agree with him about everything that's important to him (i.e., ones that are actually liberals on his key issues).
And everybody is just kinda like "Yep".
That's why there aren't more conservatives in industries like this. Why the fuck would anybody want to work with you if that's how you feel about them, and your community is such a hugbox that you feel comfortable just loudly declaring that in public?
Something I don't think you touched on Colin - If you lean Conservatively and you want any sort of career in this industry, it's terrifying to talk about it. It's scary to share those opinions when you know you've got tens to hundreds of people ready to tear you apart for it. The games industry feels a massive, exclusive clique that will start a witch hunt at the drop of a hat for tweeting just one opposing opinion.
+Jimmy Champane maybe.. that should give you pause to at the very least.. just think real critically about your political beliefs for once. Not due to outside pressure, but because.. well.. if you are scared to talk about what you believe in.. that is a really really really bad sign for its validity.
+sluggdiddy I personally have no issue speaking about how I feel. I just have friends who feel that way and it seems like a shitty spot to be in!
I vote Nick Scarpino for President
1. Conservatives don't speak up, especially in progressive groupthink bubbles like SF. 2. Liberals go into games media, and journalism generally, more than conservatives because of their values and view of self. Conservatives tend to go into productive, STEM fields (e.g. engineering, finance, economics, or science) more often while liberals study English, gender/cultural studies more often (i.e. less productive). Many liberals think everyone cares about their opinions and their words have a significant impact on the world, so media to them is self-congratulatory/ego inflating.
So when a woman developer cheated on her boyfriend to get her game reviewed, games media was all too quick to denounce gamers and make things political; they wanted to show how "progressive" they were and hop on the intersectional feminist lunatic bandwagon.
Dork Born Science and technology are math based and involve analytical thinking, soo liberals are all but eliminated.
Dork Born 1. Most major tech companies are run and were founded by libertarians (Wikipedia, Facebook, etc). Many of them just keep their views secretive (especially in the intolerant, radical Bay Area).
2. The vast majority of scientific research is privately funded, and engineering and physical sciences are DOMINATED by those who favor small gov't.
3. Higher education is filled with cultural Marxists and postmodernists (save for economics, math, or sciences), and they hold no credibility/intellectual rigor. It's largely transformed into a bureaucracy and admins actively discriminate against conservatives, which has accelerated a trend of conservatives leaving academia that started about 30 years ago.
6% identify as republicans but 9% consider themselves conservatives. But yes the overwhelming majority of scientists identify as liberal/democrat.
I think young people and creative types tend to be liberal. Probably because liberal views tend to be centered around trying new things and finding new solutions to problems. Whereas conservatives views tend to favor the status quo, or hearken back to old days. Hence the older demographic for conservatism.
At least thats my entirely unscientific take on the issue. And why an industry like games journalism which is largely compromised of young creative types tends to be overwhelmingly liberal.
Boner Patrol Love the name lmao. But I think it's also important to distinguish between scientists at universities (that teach science) and ones who conduct groundbreaking research in corporate America. I don't have the data on me, as no sauce was provided, but I'd figure that physicists at say the LHC would have more conservative or libertarian views than a biologist at a liberal arts college. From my experiences at 3 different top 10 universities (for my undergrad, masters, and phd), my experience is that most physical science professors hold conservative or libertarian points of view.
I'm new to this channel but I'm already loving listening to Colin $ Greg. Both a breath of fresh air !
I believe the gaming industry is mostly super liberal because they are from Super liberal Southern California. As a republican I appreciate Collin speaking out even though I disagree with him on Trump and abortion.
Jerry Romero go check out Colin’s solo channel if you haven’t already! :
Colin’s Last Stand Side Quest
Greg wrapped this topic up in the first 4 minutes...
Colin, this is something GG has been talking about for a while now. You should probably check out KiA, you'd likely agree with a lot of people there.
Colin has to understand how rare he is, Most Republicans aren't as open minded as he is.
+forgetPAT1 Disagree many of us are this open minded we are just results oriented over ideal oriented and a group. Many of us don't like Trump and everything he stands for but we will err to side that has the ability to get something done.
+forgetPAT1 very true. The world needs more people like Colin. He's the only Repubicann can listen to and think "this guy is actually worth listening to" lol. There's no hate speech or anything terrible he says. It's all logical stuff.
OP must not know many Republicans.
Jacob McQuaid I know plenty, maybe its the fact that I live in the South though
How old are you, or more specifically, have you only lived in one area/small town in the South?
This was a good back and forth between Colin and Nick.
Ok, as a conservative Canadian guy, I did notice that Colin was pretty much the only self-identified conservative in the gaming media. But what's funny is, even though he's conservative, he agrees with liberals on nearly every major issue, says he voted for Obama in 2008 (although perhaps one can forgive not wanting to vote for a ticket which included Sarah Palin), and praises Rachel Maddow. Now, this doesn't bother me, but it's pretty hilarious that the only conservative in the games media is an Obama-voting, MSNBC-loving, pro-abortion and pro-gay marriage conservative lol. But, the truth is the gaming media is openly hostile to conservatives, which is what drives them away.Frankly, my experience on the KindaFunny forums, and why I no longer post there, is a perfect example of why conservatives don't participate. I posted in a feminism thread, which became the most popular thread in the general section (because of me, no brag), and the feminist moderators kept trying to turn it into a resource for feminist websites instead of allowing an open discussion. I was told repeatedly that critical opinions of modern feminism was not contributing positively to the discussion, and etc. It was weird. So I stopped posting because I was being reported for absurd shit, like making a joke in the style of pepe lepieu and being told by a moderator that it was widely known that Pepe Lepieu was "problematic" due to his sexual harassment.....
Sorry for the length, but i really do think this touches on a very important issue that is worth discussing in depth amd while I totally understand if people don't read all of this, O'd greatly appreciate it if someone did as i hope I will have contributed something worthwhile to the discussion.
For better or worse, modern liberalism is the ideology that has taken dominance in the media and entertainment industries and it is what is taught to people in public education to be automatically believed without question by default. I have my own opinions but whether it is good or bad isn't really the point.
A lot of people claim the worldview they have, not because they've tried to rationally know exactly what they believe and why they believe it because they hold them out of social convenience and have never been actively confronted with opposing ideas in day to day life. I think that is largely why, as Colin said, many people who are so emotionally reactive to hearing opposing opinions either don't really know what they are talking about, they can't well articulate an arguement for why their beliefs are just and right, or they can't fathom anybody not thinking the same as them, because, in my opinion and experience, they were conditioned by environment and nurture to believe that their beliefs were assumed to be what every sane person automatically does and should believe. It's not because they're stupid or anything. It's because they've probably never had to purposefully engage themselves intellectually in order to defend their beliefs in the arena of public opinion like Colin and many conservative minded people of all stripes have been forced to do for the past generation or two.
As a result they don't know how to handle and acclimate to the most important kind of diversity, intellectual diversity, and can't justify to themselves that not everybody thinks and believes as they do. That's just a completely foreign concept to a lot of (currently mostly liberal) people.
I mean no disrespect by any of what I'm saying, nor do I intend to pick fights because that's not my goal here. It's worth mentioning that I say this as an evangelical Christian in faith and economically and socially a libertarian-conservative in ideology.
Although it may be expressed in sime different ways, truth be told, you see a fundamentally identical attitude, among some conservative minded religious people who likewise probably also weren't taught critical thinking in conjunction with their faith or ideology but instead had predetermined beliefs forced upon them at a young, vulnerable age no differently than how the same has happened and is happening to many default liberals getting liberal rhetoric and talking points drummed into their heads on repeat in the liberal public education system and through the liberal dominated mainstream media and entertainment industries. Conservatives, the religious, liberals, the irreligious, whoever really, are all equally susceptible to this given the right conditions and environments, so I don't want to be accused of being unfair in my criticisms. It's just that in supposedly mainstream society as it exists today, or at least how entertainment and media say society really exists today, its the default socially convenient liberals who seem most susceptible to this.
While of course I would like people to agree with me and would gladly argue my case for why I believe I'm right about a lot of things, what's ultimately most important for an intellectually diverse but peacable, civil society isn't necessarily that everyone absolutely has to agree. What's most important is that regardless of whatever worldview we ascribe to, no matter when or on what we night disagree, we should all strive to foster a culture that encourages critical thinking and a willingness to have an open and honest discussion of ideas, because whether or not some people end up agreeing or disagreeing about things, at the end of the day, that's really the only way we can make society the best we can make it for the collective good of everyone. Until someone legit shows up with a verifiably better way of doing things differently, I think it's our collective responsibility to collectively do the best we can with what we got in the meantime.
conditioning from public school and social pressure. question answered. it's only going to get worse before it gets better.
Bravo to kinda funny for brining up this kind of topic. Obviously not the norm for the channel but these guys have influence on younger Americans and its a good thing to get people to think and care about the state of the country especially in terms of the worsening economy and slowly but surely impingement on our freedoms. Colin should consider staring a side channel addressing geo political news to help educate and keep viewers up to date
Love it Colin, we live in Australia and isn't funny how the smartest people in politics are not actually in politics..... keep up the conversations mate love em
Greg's initial response to finding out Colin was a Republican is precisely why there aren't more people who identify themselves as Republican in the games media. If GamerGate didn't open your eyes a bit, I don't know what would. The second you go against the status quo, no matter how logically sound your argument, no matter how logically fallacious the opposition, that opposition will simply babble into the echo chamber, which happily babbles back exactly what they want to hear, logic be damned. *Colin wants to know why he's the "only one" that's outspoken.* The answer can be found with these two questions: Who do you report to, Colin? And who do most people in the games industry report to? There's your answer.
This episode was definitely different, but I thought it was really good. I think Nick hit on some great points talking about the entertainment industry as a whole. I wish there were more (vocal) conservatives. I think having people with different perspectives would offer more variety in how games are discussed and dijested. Thanks for bringing this one up Colin.
Nick makes a great point. Artistic people are largely liberal and most outward facing personalities are artists of some sort.
I'm sure there are plenty of conservatives in the games and games journalism industries that are on the business side of things.
The games media is a joke - a massive hugbox of like-minded bloggers. All of their wacky San Francisco politics are the exact same and Colin is absolutely right that he is literally one of the only one with a different viewpoint. Every time a blogger from Polygon or Kotaku write an opinion piece with their wacky politics inserted into it, their comments section is always pissed off writing about how ridiculous the article is. The interesting things is that no matter where they stand politically, gamers tend to hate the interestingly specific politics of the games press and they're getting more and more annoyed with it as time passes. The fact that 99% of the games press has literally the same exact political viewpoints is interesting and I wonder just how it happens, someone should really delve into that and figure out why.
Colin is so right. I get so tired of the extreme SJW liberals that come from pretty much every gaming site.
i think it may be because people like to keep their politics out of business, both political ends have a lot of hate from eachother.
personally im a filthy liberal, and many conservatives voices i find kinda offensive and stupid. But i dont wanna be one of those impotent liberal teens who loves censorship, so id like there to be more right wingers and then for them to be shut down through debate.
I just don't like SJW's
+DevSF4 This is about the level of intelligence I've come to expect from conservatives.
+yeah okay player conservatives arent the only ones against SJWs ye muppet
+yeah okay player Except even Liberals don't like SJW's. I'm Liberal for instance but I fucking hate them. True for a lot of us.
+yeah okay player This is the level of tolerance of opinion ive come to expect from sjws. Alot of the time they just block those who disagree with them.
Colin keep up the great work.
Being a polite conservative republican who is moderately socially liberal now living in the LA area I totally identify with what Colin is saying. It is an echo chamber.
I can relate but I live in a very interesting environment within California. The conservatives and republicans, one in the same but on different extremes per say, anyways, are rare but happen to be concentrated in several regions of this state. For example, where I live, about an hour and half from LA in Lake Elsinore to Temecula the area is dominantly republican actually, in terms of fiscal and for some, to a way lesser extent, somewhat socially. I grew up in an environment very pro republican yet in a Democratic state.
Has there ever been a well informed political liberal to debate Colin on any show he's on?
It seems only passive liberals that aren't passionate about politics, economics, and history are allowed on the show.
That's true, I never thought about that. They should get someone soon
+Dalton Moen Aisha Tyler did pretty well.
Oh ya I forgot about her
+Jeremy Zeeky Aisha Tyler was awesome, but isn't she Republican or Libertarian?
trifacto I have no clue but she was the only person that kind of put Colin in check which was weird to see lol.
Conservatives keep their conservatism quiet because they don't want it to damage their game or company's image. Not because they're ashamed, but because they know a lot of liberals and moderates see conservatives as abortion haters and gay haters like what Greg said. So it might be an even split behind the scenes, but it will never seem that way publicly.
Collin your in San Francisco what do you expect...
I hate the 2 party system.
Amen.
+Brian J Who says it's a two party system? There are hundreds of political parties in the United States. Many of them are too small to have umph, but they are there & active.
+Brian J As someone who lives in a country with a lot of... participating parties, trust me, there's no difference. There will always be two big parties fighting each other, and all the smaller ones chose sides. Every once in a while, a smaller party rises, and what do the old big parties do in response? They ally with each other, so there's technically only two parties competing again. Then the smaller formerly rising party sinks, the alliance breaks, and you repeat the same process over, and over, and over again.
good for you I hope you still vote.
The question isn't "Where were we when Colin was writing about political correctness in 2010/2011?", the question is "Where has Colin been for the last two years?"
Where was Colin when Target Australia removed GTA V from store shelves?
Where was Colin when Hatred was removed from Steam?
Where was Colin when Koei Tecmo refused to release Dead or Alive Extreme 3 because of (in their own words) "many issues happening in video game industry with regard to how to treat female in video game industry?"
Where was Colin when numerous popular titles were being hacked to pieces by localization teams in accordance with regressive Bay Area sensibilities?
Where was Colin everytime the gaming press decided to smear their audience as a bunch of sexist, racist homophobic, transphobic, bigoted reactionaries?
I'll tell you where he was. He was hanging out with Greg "Muh 25 Invisible Benefits of Gaming While Male" Miller.
Tim has been getting better at voicing his opinions over time since Kinda Funny started. Two Thumbs Up.
Greg is the Mayor of the video game industry! T-SHIRT! T-SHIRT! T-SHIRT! T-SHIRT!
Is there a playlist of all of Colin's political topics/opinions? He is incredibly interesting to listen to!
I love when Colin being up political discussions
Excellent discussion. This is a topic I wish was brought up more, because this is something that definitely is real. Great job Colin.
Why is the Republican getting so upset? Is he just afraid that his archaic, regressive world views are being crushed by progressive, intelligent voices who want the world to move forward?
+Max Palombella Youre an sjw arent you?
+jkjkjk Your a Social Injustice Warrior aren't you?
man, what a sad way to see the world. So binary, so black and white... no colours... my condolences.
Regressive liberal spotted.
Max Palombella Why is there a need to be an sjw? If you want to help gay and trans people thats fine but most sjw censor anything they dont like, label opposing opinions as hate speech and i could go on. The 3rd wave feminist movement is lead by the radicals and people still claim the movement is about equality despite the actions of its member and refer back to the definition lol.
When is a socialist who can actually argue the ideology gonna be on the show?
What please rephrase so I can understand
+David Carlson like, I love this show and the cast, but after so many years of libertarian rhetoric being largely unchallenged, it would be nice to have someone on the show who can actually argue against Colin from a left wing position.
Yeah
Lmfao the dislikes already huh? Love thin skinned people. They're always the best to laugh at.
hence the video title....I wonder why there are none? cause they get bullied and looked down on, shamed for not sharing the same mindset. it's gross.
+Slick Novikov I disliked it because it was a bad topic imo.
Mayo Rice Fair enough! I'm sure others didn't think the same.
The gaming industry is international and people world wide are usually left
Colin always brings some great topics to the show that start great conversations. Meanwhile, Greg has a story about his Grandmother and a raccoon.....
+Sean Socoloski So you're saying they both bring great topics?
Colin at 4:18 - Irony of missing the point. Greg explained to Colin why Colin is not really a conservative and then Colin focused on polls using the outdated interpretation of conservative. The modern conservative folks are more focused on social conservatism rather than fiscal conservatism. The fact that Colin thinks that abortion is a 'settled' issue shows where he is weak on political issues. Nothing is ever settled because people are constantly fighting to overturn laws and rulings.
+Lerkero That is patently untrue narrative that you have taken directly from the talking points propagated by the media, clearly controlled by the other side of the ideological spectrum.
Lew Cipher You just wrote a lot of nothing.
Read more.
Colin needs to understand that people in games journalism write about games, so why would they turn away many readers by writing pro-Trump or pro-Clinton news story's. And all his views really don't line up at all with republicans at all, so why does he stick with that sports team?
I love Tims approval of the table bump at 39:00
I'm glad Nick brought up the point it's not the games industry but the entertainment industry as a whole
+tom189 it's the same for movies as well its definitely there
Awesome topic. I was thinking about this the other day
I love listening to Colin talk.
It's not that hard to understand why. The answer is obviously social issues. From what I've seen, Colin's not even a 'true" Republican, he just leans more in that direction for certain issues. What does it matter who labels themselves as Republican and who doesn't when the one person in games journalism who does label himself as Republican doesn't even adhere to most of the Republican party's platform himself? Most people are moderate anyway.
Right. With all due respect to those that may disagree, most rational people tend to be fiscally conservative and socially progressive, whether they understand that they are.
+Sandor Clegane I agree and find it hard to believe that Colin can't see this. You don't often hear which way someone votes, but rather their opinions on issues like abortion, racism, sexism, gay rights etc. Based on Colin's opinions on these issues, he seems liberal and not Republican. We only know he is a Republican because he talks about it all of the time. There are probably many people like that in the industry.
The problem is within the question itself, no? It boils the issue of politics into two side, conservatives and liberals, when in reality it is a whole spectrum of opinions. And the saddest part is that this not only happens in this video, but shows the overall view of American politics, that separate the conversation into only two sides, of which people have to try and force themselves to fit into. Colin says he is a Republican, and you say he isn't a "true" Republic because of that. This separation into two side makes it hard for people to pick and choose, and creates a "me vs them" mentality that damages the conversation. It's a real shame.
So, in conclusion, the problem with the discussion in the video is that Colin puts out two sides (conservative and liberals) and is inconsistent with the definition of them, because in reality politics isn't a dichotomy, and shouldn't be boiled down to one.
Now, there is a discussion to be had about representation of ideas in the media and the silencing of voices that disagree with the majority. Granted they do talk about it, but not in the amount of depth I would like to see it discussed.
Overall, great episode. Love Colin 's more political topics.
Lucas Carpanzano You've said it perfectly. I love Colin, I rock his 'Colin was right' shirt all the time, but he's missing a very important part of the puzzle about party identification.
+Michael Galardi Ohhh thank you. Yeah, party identification is really a issue, even more so in a country where you basically have only two options and have to deal with all the baggage that comes with each label. I mean, there are dozens of different ideologies and even does are labels that you may not fit in. I myself am from a contract with many parties and have a hard time identifying myself with one of them, can't even fathom hard hard it must be over there. Although... there are some pretty interesting advantages to the American system... so I don't have a set opinion on which is better... just different, each system with its own problems.
But yeah, the party identification is in fact only a side effect of the human nature of labelling everything and everyone around, in order to better understand the world. It's how our brain works. Another pretty interesting subject, responsible for many horrible things, and many amazing ones.
As a staunch libertarian I really do not feel written to in games media. I recognize it as a reader. I recognize it on my games media dominated twitter account. Colin's voice is actually one of the several guiding aspects to where I consume games. I think Colin's unique view (in this industry at least) makes the discourse about games more rich and lively. He attacks the seemingly apolitical games news from a different angle and I enjoy that a lot. Kinda Funny and Kinda Funny Games has the richest content and discussion anywhere else in the games industry. You all are among the elite members of games and entertainment press and media.
As an Iraq war veteran, I consider myself a constitutionalist. I'm conservative but keep it to myself because when I do liberals become viscious and say horrible things about me just like Greg did at the beginning of this video. There are a lot of misconceptions about us. The thing that gets me the most hate is when I admit I'm a Christian. I just want everyone happy, healthy, and free. Lead with respect and love in your life and it doesn't matter what you think politically. Greg just called the Christian Republicans evil... I rest my case. So sad.
Politics attract the worst kind of people, imo.
The problem is politics is dominated by political propaganda rather than actual information, and propaganda is specifically designed to be divisive. Whether its "conservatives are racists" or "liberals are welfare queens", its all a bunch of bullshit meant to trigger an emotional response, rather than thoughtful policy discussion.
And the whole good/evil dichotomy is like crack to dickbags that are looking for an excuse to treat others like shit.
I waver depending on the issue, but I mostly side with liberals. But at the end of the day im just making educated guesses, I could be dead wrong. Everyone ultimately has the same goal, and wants whats best for the country. Regardless of how much the propaganda tries to convince us otherwise.
I identify myself as Republican, but I feel that the government should worry about running the economy first and foremost. After that social issues should not be touched by the government. It feels like a new third party needs to be formed to speak to our ideology.
I think the biggest thing to take into consideration is why consider yourself a socially liberal conservative? Do most that share Colin's ideology consider themselves fiscally conservative liberals. Social issues matter more to how others see you then fiscal matters. It's the equivalent of saying you care more about your pocketbook than women, lgbt, and minorities.
Thank you for bringing this up. As a conservative nerd I have always felt ostracized and like an outsider in gaming, comics, etc. There just don't seem to be many of us, at least as far as I've seen.
+Jonathan Litwinka I think it is because art relates directly to social issues. Video games are art, so the most important political topics will be things like gender equality or marriage equality, etc. These things align perfectly with the Democratic party.
I think conservatives just don't really broadcast or advertise as much. (Aside from Colin... lol)
I think so many people have such a false and negative view of conservatives without actually knowing what a lot of them stand for or believe in. Most automatically assume you're a shitty person. So I think a lot of them just keep it to themselves to avoid being stereotyped or judged... I know I have in the past.
A lot of the times when you try and explain what being a conservative means to you or why you align with that party, people will make the remark, "Oh well then you're not really a republican." Even though, we have many different types of people in our party. Fiscal conservatives, social conservatives, constitutional conservatives, Evangelicals, Tea Party, etc... there are so many sub groups all just hanging out under the umbrella of "Republican".
I also think a lot of the "silent republican syndrome" comes from how a lot of us think as members of that party. Not all, but a lot of liberals tend to have a groupthink mentality. Taking care of everyone, sharing everything, collective acceptance, etc... while I think republicans have a much different mindset. They don't want government or other people dictating their lives, so they don't really care about or seek the approvals of others on their opinions. Now this certainly not true for everyone. Just my thoughts on why many people may just not talk about it. I'm a republican as well, and there are plenty of situations where I just don't feel the need to broadcast it or just don't want to deal with judgment from people who just really don't understand what being a conservative really is.Just my two cents... great video! Keep it up guys! ^_^
Latent Soul ;) Exactly.
Btw the Trigglypuff remix from Crowder was gold.
Colin you say no one on Twitter is supporting trump. Trump is not a real conservative.
20:43 Greg pulls that face every time someone trades in a Vita
I am a gamer, I am a vocal fiscal and constitutional conservative. Socially moderate.
Grandpa Colin time. :-] / :-(
What you described isn't Republican, it is Libertarian. Gary Johnson for president.
I'm Belgian and I love when Colin talks US politics cause the only thing we hear about US politics is when a presidential candidate says something stupid
I actually think it's pretty simple. Game developers and journalists are usually pretty young(under 35). Statistically people under 35 are overwhelmingly liberal. Whether it is fair or not, it is equally representative of the age group. It is also very representative of the demographic of gamers, which are also mostly young and liberal.
I think most ppl have no faith in the government and couldn't care less about current politics
I would love if Kevin talked more :) but using his mic we helped fund
There is a lot of inbalance with politics in general in the media.
Well, this topic was depressing to watch. The other guys didn't want to understand what Colin's argument was. I do agree that there's a huge disparity in the political views of the people that work in games media, and I think it is because the people that are in charge of hiring others pull from their circles, people that they know, and people that align with their political views. It is a huge problem but I don't think it's going to be solved until a serious publication rises with more conservative views.
The closest thing I can think of is Giant Bomb, I'm 99% sure that the ones that work in Giant Bomb West, especially Gerstmann, Ryckert and maybe Shoemaker have views similar to Colin's but they NEVER talk about politics on their content, that's the decision they made.
So yeah, us gamers that are more on the conservative side do feel alienated, I just shy away from articles and opinion pieces at this point, and it's a little sad because lately politics ARE in gaming, and are affecting the way people make games. Which makes Greg's argument more ridiculous, saying that people in games journalism only cares about games and not politics is just not true.
And one last thing, the language used by Nick and Greg was bad, Greg saying that Republicans hate gay people, abortion, etc. is just ignorant to say and a sweeping generalization. And Nick comment about people that are pro life are not human beings... that's just something else.
But yeah, thanks Colin for bringing this up and I just wish that the other guys would have tried a little better to understand your point and admit that it is absolutely unacceptable that other political views are not represented in games.
Nick is so desperate for Colin to throw him a bone.
The abortion issue is totally not "settled". There are still women and CHILDREN in the United States who can not get an abortion in their town or even in their STATE.