I always thought it was weird that the pacifist hippy martial art was the one that was predominantly based around countering an unarmed opponent trying to grab your hand to keep you from stabbing him.
I used to be just like you regarding guard. What changed? Getting GOOD at sweeps. Even though control leading to submission is the “point” of BJJ, I think a great sweep is the heart and soul of BJJ. It ticks ALL those boxes you are talking about with Judo throws, except you can hit way more of them way more often at the same skill level-and there are so many more of them available. Once you get good at DOING sweeps, the whole frame changes. For me and for so many others. You start to “get” what people like about guard. It’s not the retention or the passing. I’m 5’5”, 150lbs, and more so than any submission or guard pass, the most satisfying thing in BJJ is sweeping a larger opponent with ease-especially with something like butterfly guard, or the electric chair, or something out of the coyote series. (If you’re a more flexible/longer/nimble legged person, then submissions out of something like clamp guard can be equally satisfying.) It really started turning a corner for me around mid blue belt, and only accelerated into purple belt. At your size, electric chair out of lockdown, coyote guard, deep half and butterfly sweeps are the things that will likely get you the most mileage. If you’re longer legged for your body, then de la Riva, lasso, clamp can be great ways to go. Get good at those (especially butterfly) and you’ll get that same kind of feeling you do out of judo throws-though more frequently and at somewhat lower amplitude, depending on the sweep. Also, BJJ guys are increasingly interested in Judo, so being able to show training partners some things there will be a great asset in trading ideas in the gym. Good luck in your continued journey!
Ive been doing martial arts for 40 years i agree with most everything you've said, here's my experience a couple of years ago at the age of 50 I realized martial arts itself goes against my personal views on competition versus cooperation, i had studied Tai chi 25years ago, now I combine chi gung, yoga and equipment training like maki wara and lifting weights by myself not in competition with anyone but myself.
I used to hate the leg ban but now I feel that its the only way to really go a mile deep into throws; basically what boxing has done for punching. Also leg takes downs w/o a corollary threat to the head leads to bad posture. If you add legs the you’d have to add atami as well.
The analogy with boxing is good,because the way it is taught is excellent to build both a base and a competent skillset by itself. I have a fondness for Greco Roman because it feels like its counterpart for wrestling. I don' t say grappling because i have trouble separating the two. Bjj focused on upper body subs, it may be called a counterpart but i am not conviced. Is groundfighting necessary to define grappling? Otherwise,i would rather call Aikido,and specifically Tomiki Aikido,as the boxing of grappling,specifically for the standing focus. This is just a mental shortcut,i don't know how accurate you may deem it.
I think Ueshiba believed to invent his own spiritual vision. That explains why he's stripped brutal elements from traditional Daito Ruy and sent his students all over the world - to spread his teaching. The teaching was not acknowledged, but we have now a strange and curious martial art that can be considered as a pure study on body mechanics without much noise of practical applications 😊
As someone who teaches partner dancing professionally I must say I have gotten way more out of aikido's focus on moving another person by connecting to their core in that context than I ever could in a fight 😅
Footwork and not getting hit is 90% of fencing. You can’t “stand and bang” with edged/pointed weapons. Dealing with taller opponents is a pain, though.
Though it should be noted... Japanese modern epee team is pretty dominant nowadays and it is often composed of relatively short fencers with REALLY GOOD footwork
Great video as always! I really agree with your comments on Karate, as a former Uechi-Ryu practitioner myself i really appreciated having a very basic fundamental curriculum with only 8 katas (really 5 unless you’re 2nd/3rd dan), but I did not start to get anything out of those katas until i tried to break them down myself. I feel like the curriculum could be great if it was treated like a puzzle to be engaged with in order to learn from it and not a law to be memorised; especially since some of the missing pieces like gi wrestling and offensive footwork are better learned rn in bjj and boxing respectively.
Do you know Tomiki Aikido? It's an aikido 'school' that has shiai because it was conceived by a former judoka, Kenji Tomiki who believed that sparring was an essential part of martial arts training. Anyway, when practiced in a dynamic sparring situation, aikido looks more like a sloppy version of judo in my opinion.
It’s a funny thing you bring up about some aspects not being realistic in martial arts. I think about the military has this same instance where some aspects of combat are just not realistic such as hunkering down during a nuclear explosion…
I’m very happy that somebody for once speaks about how damn murky and weird the aikido’s past is and how kinda fucked up the O-Sensei was. Aikido is pretty much Daito-Ryu and this myth of there being some ”combat aikido” somewhere in the beginning is horse shit. Back in the day samurai’s were pretty good at slashing people up because there was always some poor convicts whose arm needed to be cut off for stealing bread etc. Let me use the nearest prison as a practice yard for a month to break bones I’m pretty sure I can pull off Nikyo to some unarmed peasant wihmthoyt too much effort - especially if he is afraid me to draw my sword and cut his head off. At the same time you spell out exactly why I love(d?) aikido: it makes combat (if there is any but hey) an intellectual effort. When I got disillusioned with it I honestly think I’m a lot better at boxing and BJJ than I would be otherwise. Not because I’m ”built different”, but because I can solve problems on my feet. I recommend you try boxing, spar (after the coach lets you) and make a video how you got your ass kicked albeit being a karate-master. I don’t know how familiar you are with soviet style boxing (usyk, bivol) but I bet a lot of the good competitive karate guys of the past took a lot from that. When I spar I don’t use it (I’m short (5’7”), stocky and my reach is laughable for boxing), but training it mkes me better at everything. Russian school of boxing is a good channel for it on youtube. Good luck! Thisbis my favourite marshall art channel!
I haven’t had much experience with the Soviet style, but I did have a brief stint of boxing. It’s just been years. Some of it has definitely been ingrained in my sparring, but I wasn’t there long enough to really enjoy some of the more technical benefits. I did alright in sparring. Kind of what you’d expect. The guys who were living and breathing it would trash me (and most everyone else in the room), but people relative to my investment level I performed fine against.
@@TenguMartialArts since Inoue is one of the great undisputed champions of our era (along with Crawford and Usyk), maybe you could make a tour of the Tokyo -area boxing gyms and give it some click bait title like "I travelled to Japan to turn trom aikido nerd into a MONSTER" etc. I'd also like to hear you to do commentary on the Paris Olympics in terms of of Judo.
Kinda. That’s what I tell people when they ask, but it’s actually an eclectic mashup of Wado-ryu, Goju-ryu, Shotokan, and apparently a Tae Kwon Do style (although is is really only noticeable via two Kata and a few kicks). There is a lot of emphasis put on Judo takedowns in combination with the striking base, though. To save everyone the spiel, I usually just say Shotokan though. There are strengths and weaknesses to it being such a hybrid quilt. I do think the takedown awareness is really good and, to this credit, the style was doing a fairly MMA adjacent type deal before MMA was really a thing. The flip side of this though is that there are like 85 Kata for no reason at all.
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Training BJJ in japan must be something else. You could roll every day for an entire week with no weed smell... Superb
Big true. Honestly underrated advantage
But those potheads destroy Japanese grapplers. 😂
It is more of a detriment to Japan in my opinion. They may need it much more than us.
I always thought it was weird that the pacifist hippy martial art was the one that was predominantly based around countering an unarmed opponent trying to grab your hand to keep you from stabbing him.
The puzzle analogy is great. Chinese saying, "A master gives one corner, the students find the other three"
6:30 jokes on them I suck at what I like, too
I used to be just like you regarding guard.
What changed? Getting GOOD at sweeps.
Even though control leading to submission is the “point” of BJJ, I think a great sweep is the heart and soul of BJJ.
It ticks ALL those boxes you are talking about with Judo throws, except you can hit way more of them way more often at the same skill level-and there are so many more of them available.
Once you get good at DOING sweeps, the whole frame changes. For me and for so many others.
You start to “get” what people like about guard. It’s not the retention or the passing.
I’m 5’5”, 150lbs, and more so than any submission or guard pass, the most satisfying thing in BJJ is sweeping a larger opponent with ease-especially with something like butterfly guard, or the electric chair, or something out of the coyote series.
(If you’re a more flexible/longer/nimble legged person, then submissions out of something like clamp guard can be equally satisfying.)
It really started turning a corner for me around mid blue belt, and only accelerated into purple belt.
At your size, electric chair out of lockdown, coyote guard, deep half and butterfly sweeps are the things that will likely get you the most mileage.
If you’re longer legged for your body, then de la Riva, lasso, clamp can be great ways to go.
Get good at those (especially butterfly) and you’ll get that same kind of feeling you do out of judo throws-though more frequently and at somewhat lower amplitude, depending on the sweep.
Also, BJJ guys are increasingly interested in Judo, so being able to show training partners some things there will be a great asset in trading ideas in the gym.
Good luck in your continued journey!
You've used the electric chair against me in competition. So I can vouch for you. It worked well. Hope you're doing well dude.
You've used the electric chair against me in competition. So I can vouch for you. It worked well. Hope you're doing well dude.
@@evanburo886 Haha, that’s awesome! Hey Evan, great to see you here!! Hope all is well.
Ive been doing martial arts for 40 years i agree with most everything you've said, here's my experience a couple of years ago at the age of 50 I realized martial arts itself goes against my personal views on competition versus cooperation, i had studied Tai chi 25years ago, now I combine chi gung, yoga and equipment training like maki wara and lifting weights by myself not in competition with anyone but myself.
I like that there is an aikido-and-weapons disclaimer now 😂
There has to be or someone will jump on my case, learned that responding to like 26 comments on the same thing a half dozen videos ago lol
Stumbled across your content on accident. Just subscribed
I appreciate it!
I used to hate the leg ban but now I feel that its the only way to really go a mile deep into throws; basically what boxing has done for punching. Also leg takes downs w/o a corollary threat to the head leads to bad posture. If you add legs the you’d have to add atami as well.
The analogy with boxing is good,because the way it is taught is excellent to build both a base and a competent skillset by itself. I have a fondness for Greco Roman because it feels like its counterpart for wrestling. I don' t say grappling because i have trouble separating the two. Bjj focused on upper body subs, it may be called a counterpart but i am not conviced. Is groundfighting necessary to define grappling? Otherwise,i would rather call Aikido,and specifically Tomiki Aikido,as the boxing of grappling,specifically for the standing focus.
This is just a mental shortcut,i don't know how accurate you may deem it.
I think Ueshiba believed to invent his own spiritual vision. That explains why he's stripped brutal elements from traditional Daito Ruy and sent his students all over the world - to spread his teaching. The teaching was not acknowledged, but we have now a strange and curious martial art that can be considered as a pure study on body mechanics without much noise of practical applications 😊
As someone who teaches partner dancing professionally I must say I have gotten way more out of aikido's focus on moving another person by connecting to their core in that context than I ever could in a fight 😅
Footwork and not getting hit is 90% of fencing. You can’t “stand and bang” with edged/pointed weapons. Dealing with taller opponents is a pain, though.
Though it should be noted... Japanese modern epee team is pretty dominant nowadays and it is often composed of relatively short fencers with REALLY GOOD footwork
Great video as always! I really agree with your comments on Karate, as a former Uechi-Ryu practitioner myself i really appreciated having a very basic fundamental curriculum with only 8 katas (really 5 unless you’re 2nd/3rd dan), but I did not start to get anything out of those katas until i tried to break them down myself.
I feel like the curriculum could be great if it was treated like a puzzle to be engaged with in order to learn from it and not a law to be memorised; especially since some of the missing pieces like gi wrestling and offensive footwork are better learned rn in bjj and boxing respectively.
Do you know Tomiki Aikido? It's an aikido 'school' that has shiai because it was conceived by a former judoka, Kenji Tomiki who believed that sparring was an essential part of martial arts training.
Anyway, when practiced in a dynamic sparring situation, aikido looks more like a sloppy version of judo in my opinion.
It’s a funny thing you bring up about some aspects not being realistic in martial arts. I think about the military has this same instance where some aspects of combat are just not realistic such as hunkering down during a nuclear explosion…
I’m very happy that somebody for once speaks about how damn murky and weird the aikido’s past is and how kinda fucked up the O-Sensei was. Aikido is pretty much Daito-Ryu and this myth of there being some ”combat aikido” somewhere in the beginning is horse shit. Back in the day samurai’s were pretty good at slashing people up because there was always some poor convicts whose arm needed to be cut off for stealing bread etc. Let me use the nearest prison as a practice yard for a month to break bones I’m pretty sure I can pull off Nikyo to some unarmed peasant wihmthoyt too much effort - especially if he is afraid me to draw my sword and cut his head off.
At the same time you spell out exactly why I love(d?) aikido: it makes combat (if there is any but hey) an intellectual effort. When I got disillusioned with it I honestly think I’m a lot better at boxing and BJJ than I would be otherwise. Not because I’m ”built different”, but because I can solve problems on my feet.
I recommend you try boxing, spar (after the coach lets you) and make a video how you got your ass kicked albeit being a karate-master. I don’t know how familiar you are with soviet style boxing (usyk, bivol) but I bet a lot of the good competitive karate guys of the past took a lot from that. When I spar I don’t use it (I’m short (5’7”), stocky and my reach is laughable for boxing), but training it mkes me better at everything. Russian school of boxing is a good channel for it on youtube. Good luck! Thisbis my favourite marshall art channel!
I haven’t had much experience with the Soviet style, but I did have a brief stint of boxing. It’s just been years. Some of it has definitely been ingrained in my sparring, but I wasn’t there long enough to really enjoy some of the more technical benefits.
I did alright in sparring. Kind of what you’d expect. The guys who were living and breathing it would trash me (and most everyone else in the room), but people relative to my investment level I performed fine against.
@@TenguMartialArts since Inoue is one of the great undisputed champions of our era (along with Crawford and Usyk), maybe you could make a tour of the Tokyo -area boxing gyms and give it some click bait title like "I travelled to Japan to turn trom aikido nerd into a MONSTER" etc. I'd also like to hear you to do commentary on the Paris Olympics in terms of of Judo.
What style of karate do you do? (My guess is shotokan)
Kinda. That’s what I tell people when they ask, but it’s actually an eclectic mashup of Wado-ryu, Goju-ryu, Shotokan, and apparently a Tae Kwon Do style (although is is really only noticeable via two Kata and a few kicks). There is a lot of emphasis put on Judo takedowns in combination with the striking base, though.
To save everyone the spiel, I usually just say Shotokan though. There are strengths and weaknesses to it being such a hybrid quilt. I do think the takedown awareness is really good and, to this credit, the style was doing a fairly MMA adjacent type deal before MMA was really a thing. The flip side of this though is that there are like 85 Kata for no reason at all.
Have you ever heard of Albert Church & Shorinji Tetsukendo Kanda Ha Kaminshin Ryu
Love me some Wado
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