Awesome video, very helpful comparison! Just for my own reference because the times are different for me: 2:05 HB clean 4:03 Gibson clean 3:08 HB overdrive 5:06 Gibson overdrive
For the money I will no doubt go for the Harley Benton but I did find the Gibson pick up a little more refined to my ears. So for me buy the Harley Benton and replace the pick up.
It's due to a darker volume pot. Gibson has historically loaded their guitars with 300k pots while the industry puts 500k in P90s and humbucker models. Some players can't stand the muddiness that 300k pots do to neck pickups. So if you want a 'warmer' sounding Harley Benton then either find a 250k volume pot (measure to know if high/low side of the spec) or put a fixed resistor across the outer two lugs of the existing pot. If you use a 470k resistor (common to find) that way you'll have an effective 250-ish volume pot. The two penny fix. Or swap a few $100 pickups in there until you find a good match.
@@jvin248 i think the same, bro. But doesn't rolling back the tone knob of 500k pots do the as equal effect as changing 500k to 300k/250k? I mean will it sound sound the same with just 500k rolled back half-way?
I own the dc plenty loud enough I barley have it on with my katana 100 or my hot rod fender right out of the box I have done nothing dam thing was in tune every string was just down a lil that’s rare from a guitar bought not played or seen I have a 94 gibson wine red studio ebony fret board with silver hard ware I got a les Paul covered already
Great comparison Dunsy! I always wondered about the HB double cut but never wanted to pull the trigger. I must say that the Gibson has a higher output pickup and sounded killer on the dirtier tones but the HB sounded all around, pretty good, I would not hesitate to get one after hearing this especially for the price. Thanks Man, I appreciate the work you put into this, it is very useful! ;)
Thanks man - I had never played a HB before, so I wasn't sure what to expect, so I went for the cheapest of the DC's that they had. I'm very impressed with it. Could do with a pickup change, but I reckon that's about it. I mean the Gibson is a much better playing guitar, don't get me wrong, but for the price the HB is a real bargain.
U can add boss eq effect put eq as desired and push the volume up 4 more otput on HB. Hope that helps. HB's are cheap fine and dandy. All they nead is adjustment and some pollishing on frets. Cheers.
Build wise, you can't fault the Harley Benton DC Jr at all. I grabbed a Ltd Ed Pelham Blue DC Jr a few months back and the biggest comparative is the pickup. The Roswell is ok but it's 7.1k output is low and it definitely lacks in the low and low mid range compared to the Gibson P90. The original Gibbo P90 was around 7.5k as well but the newer made ones are around 9.6k which makes them beefier. However, I swapped the Harley Bentons Roswell for a Bare Knuckle Supermassive 90 (10.1k) and it's definitely on par with the Gibson P90. Not as thin and ice picky as the Roswell, but keeps it snarl and jangle. Acoustically the HB DC is very resonant and loud! Surprisingly so! It plays really well and once set up properly it's easy to forget your other guitars and find yourself reaching for the HB. The Harley is an amazing mod platform to make a low cost guitar into a real gig worthy guitar.
Yeah, my pal Johnny grabbed one of those Pelham Blue ones (I think they're sold out now?) - he loves it. For the price point it's incredible what the HB folks can deliver. The Gibson has a much fuller sound, but with a pickup change I think the HB would be up there.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld just added a shim under my Bare Knuckle P90 and mate, the improvement is night and day. Try it on the Roswell and it really does beef it up a lot compared to stock height. The tone is massively improved.
This was a wonderful comparison. Very nicely done. My thoughts.... I own a Custom T.C. McInturff made to my specs and custom wired. I own a couple of Harley Bentons (CST models, absolutely stock). I grab the Harley Benton Guitars way more often. I'd rather abuse (actually not really "abuse"... just think wear & tear) a much less expensive guitar that plays and sounds pretty much the same to almost everyone's ears. Yes, I still play my really wonderful and MUCH MORE Expensive guitars and love them very much, but I'd rather put the wear on a $200.00 guitar than my multi-thousand dollar guitars.
Cheers Brent, really appreciate your comment. I'm 100% the same - I like both of these guitars. For the money that they cost, I'm happy with what I got in each case. To play, they are not the same guitar, but to most folks listening (which is really all I wanted the video to show) do they hear a £2000 difference? As the comments will testify there's not a huge difference when you just hear one against the other. But that doesn't mean I'm unhappy with the Gibson. It's a beautiful guitar. I'm glad I got it. That said, like you, I would rather take out the less expensive one to a show and rip on that without the worry.
im a Les Paul Junior fan fron switzerland. I only play this model.in sunburst that's my style, I got both too, I see a high value in the HB. no doubt.it doesn't have the fat neck like the Gibson. the HB is a bit artificial or steril rock machine, but the Gibson has a warm sound like a handmade violin, love both
I NOW BOUGHT A HARLEY BENTON. I SWAPED OUT THE TUNERS FOR GROVERS A BONE NUT AND A BARE KNUCKLE P90 AND IT IS BETTER THAN THE GIBSON. THIS THING SMOKES NOW. GREAT GUITAR AND I will buy more
Nice one, Kenneth. I think that swapping the tuners is a good idea if you were playing live with these. But what incredible value for money they are. No way would I ever have got anything that quality for the money back in the early 80's.
They both sound good but the Gibson just has a richer tone and sounds more controlled imo, I feel like I can hear the difference in quality 🤷♂️ cool video, really good comparison 🤘🤘✌️🎸
Both sound excellent to me! Put the same pickup on both guitars, equalize them the exact same way, do a blind test, and most people won't be able to guess which is which. I've seen that over and over again on RUclips. People think they know a budget guitar from an expensive one - until an honest blind test. What people spend their money on is their business. But, for me, I choose something that I don't have to worry about (theft, damage, etc) and has nearly the exact same sound/feel with upgrades and a decent set-up.
Totally agree with ya there brother, I get caught out all the time in blind tests! These are both nice guitars and both play well. I'm glad I got both of them - great to compare and contrast. And I know exactly what you mean about the concerns re theft and damage. I seriously doubt I would take my CS Gibson out for a pub gig. I would probably lose it myself, rather than someone take it mind you!
@@DunsysGuitarWorld - Haha! I could see that. 'Now, where'd I put my bloody guitar??' 😂😂 If it's any consolation, I often get caught out by the blind tests as well! As Les Paul himself once said: "People listen with their eyes."
@@Axess-sv8nq Totally agree , after all it's just wood and electronics . Even buying boutique pickups doesn't do much more than you could do yourself with a cheap eq pedal . But some guitars just fit you better and are easier to be creative on ( that's what I tell my wife anyway ! )
@@Dad-Gad Yep! Guitars can fit you no matter what the cost is. It's all in how they work for you. None of the guitars I own cost me over $750 - and that was only 1 guitar that cost that much. The rest are all $500 and below. I just customize the heck out of them and tailor them to my own specs and what works for me.
The only time it sounded different was on the Clean with Lead. It seemed like the Gibson pickup was a bit more powerful. Once you got to the Overdrive and the Lead I couldn't notice a difference. I have the HB CST-24T and I love those P90's. Power chords for days...
Yeah, I think the Gibson one is definitely pushing more output. In a blind test it would be interesting to see what, if anything, people pick up sound wise. I mean these are clearly different beasts in terms of playability and cost, certainly the cost! But soundwise they come quite close.
It might do - I can't remember what how far the neck tenon goes into the body, that might be an issue maybe depending on how much of the wood you need to remove to do the pickup install.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld I just had a response from a thomann rep.. "Dear Customer, thank you for your request. That will be absolutely no problem. The guitar will stay sable. Kind regards". With the appropriate tools, it would be a straight forward project. There are so many helpful channels out here, with some guidance for diy projects, good tutorials. Good job on the comparison.
The Harley Benton is quite a bit brighter sounding than the Gibson. Like a cross between a P90 and a Telecaster bridge pickup. I like the sound of it and you can roll the tone pot to make it more mellow if desired.
The roswell pickups in the HB sound very bright for a P90 but that's nothing compression and a EQ pedal can't solve. Or just switch the pickup for another one. Great video and great playing, btw.
So many people are talking about HB great value for money and they are right. I have 3 of them myself. But, few days ago I went to my guitar tech who is also making guitars ( Billy Gibbons and Lance Lopez are playing his guitars, among others ) and he told me this - maybe you will have 75 or 80% of Gibson tone on HB for small amount of money, but that 15 or 20% improvement is so hard to get. That is why Gibson is so expensive and even they can't make it all the time. Hard to hear difference live, but in studio...I bet you would all go for Gibson and it makes all the sense in the world.
To my ears using my comp and cheap ass studio speakers the Gibson had just a slightly fuller warmer sound to it, which is not to say the Harley Benton sounded bad because it sounds great also. These are great times for getting usable good guitars for small money, it's great for all of us. I suspect swapping out the pickup and pots in the Harley for the Gibson stuff would make it almost identical in sound. Guitars !! It's a win either way :)
Hey Rich, really appreciate you checking out the video and your comment. Yeah, I'm absolutely with you on how lucky we are these days that you can get this kind of quality for such a competitive price. Jeezo, remember what was available back in the 80's that was considered budget gear?! In this video the Gibson definitely has a warmer sound. The HB could definitely (imho) do with a pickup upgrade - but that would really be a matter of choice for whoever buys one - possibly the tuners, but that would be something I would need to check out at rehearsals and gigs. These are two completely different guitars to play, that's without a doubt. But they sound much more similar than the price difference would suggest. And, for me, I'm happy with what I got, for what I paid, with both of them. I always say people should buy to their budget and, if they're happy with the guitar they get, then that's all that matters. Thanks again, Sir.
Ahhh......ma auld mucker.....how ye daein? That'll be the HB brand I was bangin' oan aboot a coupla years back. If yer sellin' the HB wan, gies a shout. Still the dude for rockin' guitar sounds, regardless of the price tag. Great work neebour!! Peace and Love bro....✌️💗🙏
Auld fellar!! Ahm no too bad, hope yer well, Sir. Aye, the HB's are well built - I remember you mentioning them a long time ago, glad I finally took yer advice!
The Gibson one has a fuller, richer and more musical attack than the tinny HB. The HB sounds as good as you pay for it, or maybe just a litlle more than that
These ones have a 60's profile neck. It was bit too slim for me, tbh. The blue ones (with the split P90) had a bigger profile neck, but I'm not too sure about the new ones. My friend John has just bought one of the single cut Jr's, so I'll check with him what the profile is on that.
If you think Harley benton is not enough good..You buy a kit (electronic) gibson junior.You upgrade for 50 dollars..I will not change pickup..After your guitar will be as good as a gibson.This was a good test.
First thing I would do it get rid of the pickup for a Lollar and then put hipshot locking tuners and a good wiring harness. Work on the frets and tune it up and you are flying.
Sorry I was late to comment! I was camping in the big horns from Monday until Yesterday! Those guitars are so sick! They sound great too! Keep it up, man!
No problem - you video from that Wyoming countryside looked so good. Such a beautiful place. It's like a bigger version of Scotland with much better weather!
No comparison. Gibson wins hands down, though for the price, the HB is a great starter guitar for anyone. I remember my first guitar. You could have flown a 747 under the strings, man.
Yep i had a hondo lp copy like that then got the lawsuit ibenez and could actually enjoy playing that but then i got a used '67 sg standard an was off to the races in '87 for 150$ before the 'vintage' hype 😅
Hi Chris, I haven't, but I have been thinking about it. I've only ever played one Vintage (an SG Standard) and thought it was really nice. I really fancy getting one of the V100's with the mini humbuckers too. The problem I have is that I have a finite amount of room for guitars - I think there's 25 here just now (3 are on top of a wardrope, so I never even see them!) - so when I get one, I have to sell one of the other one's. My wife has drawn the line in the sand. Difficult times, my friend, difficult times.
Very nice playing! Awesome to hear how they perform versus value for money. Great demonstration. The Gibson has a fuller sound but both are nice - would love to own a Gibson one day! My favourite Gibson is the ES175. Have a good night! Harry 🎸
I have this model of Harley Benton and I think it's great, but I can't seem to get it to sound perfectly in tune, and although it has a bridge that can be intonated, I hear some of the same issues in all the demos I have seen of these guitars, and I hear it in yours too. I think the Gibson with its stop tailpiece bridge sounds to play in tune with itself better. Perhaps the HB's have a nut cut a bit too high. I made plastic shims to raise the whole pickup. I think it gave it more beef than just raising the polepieces. I thougt your demo really did a great job in illustrating what these guitars sound like. I liked the brighter cleans of the HB but the single note lead runs had that extra special secret Gibson sauce that they just seem to have. I have a Custom Shop 58 Standard Historic Les Paul yhat cost the big bucks, but it also has a lot of that elusive classic 50's tone so iy is not going up for sale. Ever. But my HB single hangs in my studio and it hangs on the same wall as my beloved bourbonburst, and it looks just fine there. I'll bet the HB FAT Junior is even closer.
Yeah, I wish I had got the Fat Junior - this one has a neck that's a bit thinner than I prefer. I ended up putting a Wilkinson in this one and it really improved the sound. I like the idea of putting a shim in to raise it too, good thinking. The Gibson, even though it doesn't have a proper intonated bridge, seemed to have better intonation for me. Not sure why that would be. But it's a beautiful guitar, expensive tho! Really appreciate you checking it out.
Focus on nut setup, 90% of tuning issues happen there. Nearly all the playing in the video is up by the nut too where intonation is to match higher frets better anyway. Nut slots are likely just a little high.The other common issues is if the guitar was set up with 9s at the factory and then restrung with 10s by the owner the nut slots can bind and intonation will certainly be off.
I went ahead n bought a faded brown w regular p90*** I will update you on neck profile so maybe help to others since necks really deal breaker for me,hoping medium..my HB sc450 has beefy neck,but I totally gutted n redid w minihumbuckers,fret level,dress,it's now a low action no buzz rock monster ..
Nice one, Scott. Yeah, the neck on the HB goldtop I have is the perfect profile for me. The Jr was a bit too slim. I wished I had got the Ferris Blue one. I found that adding the Seymour Duncan's really made the guitar sound better for my style.
I got reply back from thomann,they said the regular model Jr has slimmer profile on the neck,and the Fat one is on the blue and p100 stacked p90 more like humbucker....I'm wanting slimmer neck for a ryhthm guitar,I have early sc450 n it's a great meaty neck but I cannabilized the whole guitar w mini humbuckers like early 70,s Gibson..put Grover tuners,alot folks say it's one the best playing guitars they've played, did bone nut better bridge,***I got mine for $65.. us so I put like $100 in it n it's fully gigable tank ..I,ll update my Jr neck profile when I get it..they seem way behind in orders...oh well..I already got a upgraded bridge that will make 100% better improvement...
Harley sounded thiner Gibson sounded fuller and more punch. For the drive music I really like the Gibson. Harley sounded better on the soft music. Are you sure the settings were the same. I've heard Jr's that sound very open on the highs not like this.
Yeah, pretty sure the settings were exactly the same - not sure why the Gibson sounds a bit lacking, as it's fine in the other videos I've done. Strange. It's a great playing guitar, huge neck on it.
Been waiting for this one ! awesome ty im soo close to pullin the trigger on the harley benton one. I am still wondering about the regular one and the FAT necked one tho, or is it just Fat cause it has a stacked pickup? or both Ive been looking for vids that cover that.Maybe you can shed some light when you do the follow up vid for us. as you bought one and i'm sure you must have researched it. Watching and hoping you cover that. is the gibsons neck alot diffrent?
Hey Michael, really appreciate you checking it out. That was absolutely my purpose for this video, simply checking out the sounds from both of these guitars. I'm glad I own both of them, they are different to play, but that's a video for another day! I'd have no hesitation recommending either depending on whichever fits your budget. My pal Johnny got the bigger neck Harley Benton and he loves it. The neck on this standard one is more akin to a 60's Gibson profile, maybe a wee bit more substantial, but not a lot. The neck on the Gibson is MASSIVE - I believe it is '57 period correct - my pal Loz, a very good player, felt it was a wee bit too much. I guess it just depends on your preference.
the FAT is a fatter neck profile for sure, not baseball bat fat, more like 24 at 1st instead of 20mm and 29 at 14th instead of 25mm. For what it's worth the HB plays really nice but the pickup is pretty rubbish if you roll off the tone and isn't that great in genuine single coil mode, maybe the standard Roswell is ok but the 'hum bucking' stacked p90 is nothing like the true Gibson / Lollar / Fralin p90 sound which all have great tone in all positions, not just full tilt. The HB (Wilkinson?) bridge is a little bulky and doesn't allow for lowering action too much. The HB (Wilkinson) tuners are ok but usually need winding right back nearly a turn before coming up to tune. The HB is made of probably at least 3 or 4 pieces of wood ( if that bothers you ) Other than that, the DC FAT HB is pretty amazing and doesn't have the typical fretboard shrinkage like a Gibson is likely to have - it's just aesthetic but it's a thing ! Also the ebony fretboard on the HB DC FAT is pretty sweet and Gibson doesn't do a 'FAT' neck that i know of in a Jr or Special. Change pickup, bridge and wiring and it's pretty damn good with ebony board and fatter neck :) ps. the Satin finish is great too, no sticky neck, it's a lot of Gibson-esque guitar for the $$s
Which one feels smoother to play ? I've got a Harley Benton Lemondrop and to my ears it will match any Gibson LP , but the fretboard is burnt maple or something and I just can't get on with it . On the other hand I've got a PRS custom 24 , plays like butter , sounds muffled 😕
Genuinely, the Gibson is a much better playing guitar than the HB - and I'm not in any way advocating dropping a considerable amount of $ on a Gibson CS! - HB do a fantastic guitar for the money. In fact, how they do it I don't know (although I expect it's economy of scale). This one plays really nice and sounds decent, although I'm not convinced that the stock pickup will handle rehearsal and gigging volume, but I've yet to try that. I always say buy to your budget - if your budget is HB, then this is an absolutely killer guitar for the money. If you can stretch to a used Gibson CS Junior (new, this is waaaay out of my price range) then I would say that you would not be wasting your money. They make really nice guitars.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld I've yet to try a real Les Paul so I have nothing to base my HB on , I did have a limited edition Slash epiphone which I later sold , but I couldn't really play more than position 1 pentatonic then so it could have been amazing and I wouldn't have known !
Nicely played laddie! \m/ Both guitars sound good, but the Gibbo had more body, less shrill. It has a BETTER P90 in it. However, there is NOT a few $K difference in sound! The HB keeps up with the Gibbo. Put a BETTER quality P90 in the HB & ya got a winner aye! \m/
Ah, cheers sir! Yeah, I think you're spot on with the pickups. The Gibson just sounds fuller. With a replacement pup the HB will be a lot better I think, so I'm looking forward to trying that.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld definitely man a real shit year we're losing legends and so many others things are on hold seduce said that after we are able to do another reunion we would dedicate a show to all of our fallen legends if we are able to do that show man ufo big influence on us man seduce used to cover ufo in our early days tell then all we can do is just do our normal day jobs
@@navindmoodley6855 Too true. I think I have bootlegs of my first band where half the set was UFO tunes (Schenker and Chapman eras), played badly, but with the right intentions. I'll be back in the States next summer (hopefully), be great to catch one of your shows.
Thanks Fabio. I must say that this Gibson is the nicest guitar I own for playability. It's always interesting to compare the sound too, as people go on what they hear.
Ah, cheers bud. Appreciate you checking it out. Yeah, absolutely, they are completely different price points. Playing wise the Gibson is by far the better guitar - but that's the big difference in $. I'd recommend both, but get the one that suits your budget.
great video! i also loved the unboxing video! i would absolutey stick a Bare Knuckle Pig 90 dogeared pickup in that HB, i have one in a Gibson SG Junior 60s and it sounds incredible!
Thanks Jamie - I actually stuck a Suppermassive in a Melody Maker I have, sounds fantastic. Did a video with it compared against the stock Gibson P90, no contest the BN is killer.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld oh those pups are definitely killer! I’ll have to find your video and check it out! I just did a HB DC-60 vs Gibson SG Jnr with Bareknuckle Pig 90 comparison video, you can check it out here: ruclips.net/video/Wjt9kElxg7Q/видео.html Hope that’s ok to share! Keep making these awesome videos! All the best!
well done you. In the UK we are blessed for easy access to Thomann even after brexit there is a 3.5 % inport duty but still they are cheap as chips really. I have 3 Harley Bentons to date . Dirty mustard, FAT neck stacked P90 plus Tele. All shocked me how good they are . The tele is unbelievable. Truly is. Dirty Mustard dc wiring on tone pot is what it is . Such sweet sound out of that one . The FAT neck DC Model , well its not as fat as they advertise but its a joy to play. I will mod all 3 in the future . To get that Gibson sound lol....fiddle with BOSS equaliser, linked into Sweet Cream Tone city pedal plugged into Artist 20 amp and magic happens ......so is it worth me buying the Gibson logo or recreate it with the HB's lol.....
Definitely blessed here to be able to get these from Thomann - not sure how their import/postage works after Brexit, but still worth it, I would say. If you can get the sound that you're after from your gear, that's all that matters. Expensive guitars are not necessarily better sounding guitars.
Easy bro, I love your channel, I’ve just got the Epiphone Les Paul Junior from Anderson, what’s great 👍 shop they are I could of paid lesser for it but I would rather spend my £ at nice guitars shop and h
@@DunsysGuitarWorld Thanks! I think I'm going for the faded cherry fat one. Hope it's as good as yours. I really appreciate your quick response! Great video.
The HB sounds brittle and thin. I can hear the cheap quality of the Wilkinson bridge and the microphonic noise coming from the HB pickup. The Gibson sounds balanced and warm and powerful due to superior components. You pay for what you get--ALWAYS!
I must say...the T-shirt...Whitford/St Holmes...great album. Seems like the tone on the HB is a bit brighter or Gibson a bit mellower...depends on if you are a glass half full or half empty. Not having played either...it's hard to tell but just a tweak of the treble can make either sound like the other. Cost wise...no comparison.
Just finished filming a cover for "Shy Away", believe it or not! One of my all time favourite albums. I plan on doing a full video episode about it - and a couple of lessons. Yeah, I think with a pickup change and eq'ing these would be pretty close sounding. That's not to take anything away from the Gibson, which is a really, really nice guitar, (as you say it's significantly more expensive) but I just went purely with sound comparison on this one.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld So I assume you picked up W/SH Reunion album. I'm going to say it. I think Brad Whitford is the better guitarist between him and Joe Perry. Joe gets all the accolades but Brad can rip it. Not certain if I would go with a Harley Benton but it looks like a great guitar at a low price and fits a budget conscience buyer.
Yeah, it's a great album - plus the only affordable way to get the first album on cd as it comes as a bonus! Manged to pick up a couple of bootleg tapes way back when, I guess they only did a very few dates touring for the first album.
No way can I afford the Gibson (low budget, plus my shoddy playing doesn't warrant the $$$$$). However, I have read reviews of HB shipping and delays that have kept me from pulling the trigger. I know it would raise prices but a U.S. Distributor would help that. Oh, well. Can't have it both ways, i'll either end up without a HB or take the chance! From this review it definitely isn't the quality of the guitar (for the price) that is holding me back! Thanks Donsy!
No worries, always happy to help. Yeah, I guess once you add a Distributor into the equation, then that's the price going up. HB can do these at this price point as they only have Thomann. I've got a few friends stateside who have them and didn't hear of any delays, but they haven't bought in the last 3 months or so.
Just pulled the trigger yesterday. Bought it from thomann. Only option was 81 dollar shipping. They said I’ll get it in 4 days. The only thing I’m worried I’ll regret was the color. Bought the red but liked the brown, faded blue and other blue
Just ordered a fat faded cherry-I ironically have a extra stock Gibson bridge p90. Push comes to shove it’ll just be a swap out. Also got a coronet pickguard to really dress it up
Ah, you know I never even about the Epi pickguard - I think that will look killer. I would say that the Gibson P90 will be a definite upgrade as well. Should be a smashing looking and sounding guitar.
VERY good comparison test! Always good to hear same riff in quick succession before getting lost and confused! Harley wins the sparkling high cleans hands down! Gibson sounds muffled and wooly for some reason! Like the pots turned down,but with gain and your octave bit the custom shop junior sounds ace ,and has something the harley just can't do! Ringing mids perhaps? I honestly don't know ,just sounds fuller.👌😁🎸
Cheers, Sir. Yeah, just wanted to get a video out there comparing the sound of each within a tune. Always good to compare them right next to each other too, my mind wanders if there's too much time in between each part! I think the Gibson definitely has more body about it sound wise. I've ordered a new P90 for the Harley Benton, not convinced it could take full on rehearsal/gig volume, with gain, without sounding too shrill. I'll do a final video comparing the playability of both. But, for the record, for what they cost, they're both really nice.
I've read HB can use up to 6 pieces of wood to make their guitar bodies, making this more of a scrap wood project than a labor of love. Can I ask how many pieces have they put into this guitar ? At the end of the day it's not about the money, but the sound.
I think the HB sounds more snappy and ii like it. Maybe the fretboard is different on HB. I dont like The Pickup on HB, but it is a nobrainer to change the pickup, for most people, maybe i buy the HB and find out how it feels and reacts in mine hands
I Got a B Stock with the fat neck and ebony fretboard today. What a Nice fat neck, feels almost like a late 50 Gibs neck. I Got the bridge Down to the limit and the strings is very close to the frets, and no buzzing, it is a very Well done guitar. To my surprise the roswell pickup was use able and sounds ok, i normaly i dont like them. The guitar is about half the weight as my old Custom, good for my old back, unplugged my custom sounds deeper and richer, I will try to change the pickup to real deal i have and change the bridge to a babicz and let my Ears think for me. Only problem is the Black Stains on my finger tips :)
Besides the vastly better pickups in the Gibson, I wonder how the pots measure in these two guitars. Maybe just a change to 330k log pots, a Russian PIO cap and 50s wiring in the HB will make it sound a lot closer to the Gibson.
...sorry guys, this "little bit more" of the gibson is just in your heads. if you scroll down, reading the comments while listening you can´t say which guitar is played at the moment. Physics can´t be tricked by a logo on a headstock and there is no magic wood (tonewood and eletrical guitars...what a joke...) what makes the guitar sound good. I own several gibsons and i love them... but if I put all my SG´s together they all sound a bit different because of one simple reason: they all are different guitars! They have different pickups and there is a bit of tolerance with the potentiometers... and so on... if you rip out wiring harness and pickup of the Junior and throw it into the HB I bet you will hear no difference in a blindtest. And here we are... most guitar players hear with their eyes... and at least: if the drummer kicks in you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between both guitars. So don´t let people judge your music or your playing by the logo an the headstock. just ignore them. Buy the guitar you like, set it up well and have fun playing it
The double cutaway single pickup is a very simple guitar. IMHO spending thousands on one is madness because as HB show here its not difficult to make a good copy of the guitar cheaply because its a very simple concept.
This is such and awesome video! The gibson sounds better, but the HB is 80 to 90% of the sound. For the money 💰 you just can't beat it. I was looking closely at the HB fat sky blue, p90 and humbuckers with a switch. I really feel like dollar value you just can't beat it. Thanks for the comparison! It really helps see exactly what solid value you're getting!
The HB does sound brighter, but honestly, if your not a gear snob, the HB is the one to get, even if you were to mod it with top of the line parts, you would not come close to the price of a Gibson, let alone a custom shop.
Although I'm aware of the sheer overall quality difference between the two, I wasn't expecting there to be a drastic difference in tone, but listening on a good pair of reference headphones the HB sounded "ok" but from the first note on the Gibson, you can really hear why it costs what it does. It's a completely different dimension. There's 100s of Gibson/HB comparisons online and for me it's always the same result. Yes you could put a better pickup in the HB which would get it closer in terms of sound but there's far more to the equation than just the pickup. To get the HB on the same page as the Gibson, sound, feel and durability wise, you would need to change the pickup, pots and electrics, the bridge, the nut, the tuners and most likely the frets will need to be either looked at or changed. By the time you've done all that, it'll have cost you the same as buying the Gibson and even withall those upgrades, you're still left with the low grade wood with a thick poly finish, questionable workmanship in places and a truss rod that probably won't stand up to the rigours of the road. Don't get me wrong, I'm no snob, I've owned and own guitars from all price ranges and i can say that HB are great value for money in their price range, great for beginners to start off with a good quality instrument for a sensible price tag, great for people who want to try a specific type of guitar, to see if they like it, without spending a fortune and great for non gigging guitarists that want a half about guitar to play at home. They just don't compare to the quality, sound, feel, workmanship, durability and heritage that you get with Gibson! Or Fender or PRS for that matter.
To me, the Gibson sounds a little more full sounding, and a little darker( but you would expect that because it has more wood, less cutaway) but to me, the double cut is better looking, and so similar sounding I would choose it for myself regardless of the price difference!
I remember a friend I was in a band with - sadly no longer with us - went to try out a Gretsch White Falcon (this would have been 1990) and when the guy in the guitar shop asked what amp he wanted to try it through, he said "have you got a full length mirror?", lol, he had a shot (without plugging it into an amp), looked in the mirror and decided it looked too big on him and bought a Silver Jet instead. You should absolutely always go for a guitar that looks best on you in a full length mirror, that's the spirit of Rock and Roll!
Both sound really good. As I have come to expect with my own HArley Benton, SC L1000, the stock pickups are have the same plastic sound. At the price point though even with a pick upgrade HB's are great value.
Shaun Nelson yeah, totally agree Shaun, quite incredible what you get for the money. I’m looking at getting a full fat Les Paul to try against my other brands.
I agree I binned the Roswell in my fusion asap as dynamic as a plastic jelly pot. Quality control can be a gamble with HB they’re great for the money and once had a set up and checked out all the parts for faults. My floyd anchors started lifting out on the fusion. Removed the floyd pulled the anchors cleaned then tightbonded them in. Now it’s rock solid but to a beginner or someone with no guitar repair skills it’s a lot of hassle sending back to Germany especially for those in the States.
I've just bought every one direct from the website - maybe I was lucky? Other than the tuners and a personal choice of changing out the pickups, I haven't had any issues.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld yes and the Harley Benton would be good enough for me, even the Gibson sounds a bit better.......but your comparison shows, that the difference is not so great that it is ok to pay 1000?Euro more. And i have 3 Harley Benton in my collection, a Paula Copy with P90 pickups, a Black Flying V and a Sunburstpaula. Dunsy, i appreciate your videos, man, Tell me, where are you from.........i am not Sure about your accent, could it be scotish? I am from GERMANISTAN........Germany and kind regards my Dear Brother in Rock
@@thorstenriedel3152 I am indeed in Scotland. Although I was actually in Germany at the weekend playing a show in Leipzig. I love travelling to Germany and playing there. Such a beautiful country.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld wow.....thank you for your reply........and i love Scotland, i have been there in Glasgow in the 80ies. I had a lot of drinks with very friendly people, and i came into the scottish english in the Pubs......great times and i love Nazareth and Bon Scott and Angus and Malcom who are scottish born, too. And man i love your Saxon Videos......hungry years and so on. By the way....Harley Benton is sold by a German Company Thomann, you know i think. I have subsribed your channel.....i think we are in the same age? I am 56 and you? You were a Metal kid in the 80ies too? In Glasgow there were recorded great live Albums.......Status Quo.......and Thin Lizzy......? Very cool man, have a very nice day, Thorsten
Yeah...the Gibson smokes that HB. Your preamp input is too hot on the Gibson clean, causing it to distort. Otherwise, nice playing and demo. That said, I have a real 59 DC, and it absolutely destroys that CS. It’s disappointing to hear that Gibson can’t get close to replicating their vintage guitars. I get that you have to cater to your current audience, so let the teenagers and 20 somethings buy up the HBs to their heart’s content. Maybe one day they’ll actually play a vintage Gibson, and understand the difference.
Mi opinión es solo con el audio que tenemos en esta review, se nota la Gibson un sonido más compacto , rico , con más armónicos y definición . Entiendo el atractivo de la Harley Benton el diseño y la calidad está muy bien para el precio . Muy buena relación calidad precio . Pero cuando ya tocas con este segmento de guitarras en el entorno de grupo te das cuenta enseguida que no llega a tener un sonido rico .Si sirve para tocar en tu cuarto en casa . Me pasa a mi con mi strato st 58 ,bien regulada como cuerdas buenas y cuando toco con mi grupo me la descuelgo en la segunda canción . Un abrazo .
You aren't paying just for the fancy name with the Gibson but unless you're Jeff Bezos or have just won the lottery it's hard to justify paying 20 times as much for it.
Awesome video, very helpful comparison! Just for my own reference because the times are different for me:
2:05 HB clean
4:03 Gibson clean
3:08 HB overdrive
5:06 Gibson overdrive
thanks 😅
For the money I will no doubt go for the Harley Benton but I did find the Gibson pick up a little more refined to my ears. So for me buy the Harley Benton and replace the pick up.
Yeah, I think replacing the pup on the HB will really make it sound great. But it is a nice guitar for the money.
It's due to a darker volume pot. Gibson has historically loaded their guitars with 300k pots while the industry puts 500k in P90s and humbucker models. Some players can't stand the muddiness that 300k pots do to neck pickups. So if you want a 'warmer' sounding Harley Benton then either find a 250k volume pot (measure to know if high/low side of the spec) or put a fixed resistor across the outer two lugs of the existing pot. If you use a 470k resistor (common to find) that way you'll have an effective 250-ish volume pot. The two penny fix. Or swap a few $100 pickups in there until you find a good match.
@@jvin248 i think the same, bro. But doesn't rolling back the tone knob of 500k pots do the as equal effect as changing 500k to 300k/250k? I mean will it sound sound the same with just 500k rolled back half-way?
One thing: The Harley Benton has a real bridge that you can intonate instead of that ridiculous wrap around thing.
Stefan Sjöberg it does indeed. Very well made bridge and fantastic for dialling in the intonation.
I liked the HB clean, but to my ears, the gibby was the clear 'winner' with gain. I think a pickup swap on the HB would make a world of difference.
I own the dc plenty loud enough I barley have it on with my katana 100 or my hot rod fender right out of the box I have done nothing dam thing was in tune every string was just down a lil that’s rare from a guitar bought not played or seen I have a 94 gibson wine red studio ebony fret board with silver hard ware I got a les Paul covered already
I was very impressed with the HB for the price - I can't believe they can make such a nice guitar for such a low price.
I couldn’t tell a difference between the 2 on either setting
@@Wrguitar941 that was a long one 😂
I am grabbing a Harley Benton...love the channel...cheers from Canada!
Great comparison Dunsy! I always wondered about the HB double cut but never wanted to pull the trigger. I must say that the Gibson has a higher output pickup and sounded killer on the dirtier tones but the HB sounded all around, pretty good, I would not hesitate to get one after hearing this especially for the price. Thanks Man, I appreciate the work you put into this, it is very useful! ;)
Thanks man - I had never played a HB before, so I wasn't sure what to expect, so I went for the cheapest of the DC's that they had. I'm very impressed with it. Could do with a pickup change, but I reckon that's about it. I mean the Gibson is a much better playing guitar, don't get me wrong, but for the price the HB is a real bargain.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld cool, good to know.
U can add boss eq effect put eq as desired and push the volume up 4 more otput on HB. Hope that helps. HB's are cheap fine and dandy. All they nead is adjustment and some pollishing on frets. Cheers.
That’s a nice looking guitar
nomatter the guitar, I can play and luv them all.
Thank you for the compairison. cheers!
Build wise, you can't fault the Harley Benton DC Jr at all. I grabbed a Ltd Ed Pelham Blue DC Jr a few months back and the biggest comparative is the pickup. The Roswell is ok but it's 7.1k output is low and it definitely lacks in the low and low mid range compared to the Gibson P90. The original Gibbo P90 was around 7.5k as well but the newer made ones are around 9.6k which makes them beefier.
However, I swapped the Harley Bentons Roswell for a Bare Knuckle Supermassive 90 (10.1k) and it's definitely on par with the Gibson P90. Not as thin and ice picky as the Roswell, but keeps it snarl and jangle.
Acoustically the HB DC is very resonant and loud! Surprisingly so! It plays really well and once set up properly it's easy to forget your other guitars and find yourself reaching for the HB.
The Harley is an amazing mod platform to make a low cost guitar into a real gig worthy guitar.
Yeah, my pal Johnny grabbed one of those Pelham Blue ones (I think they're sold out now?) - he loves it. For the price point it's incredible what the HB folks can deliver. The Gibson has a much fuller sound, but with a pickup change I think the HB would be up there.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld just added a shim under my Bare Knuckle P90 and mate, the improvement is night and day. Try it on the Roswell and it really does beef it up a lot compared to stock height. The tone is massively improved.
This was a wonderful comparison. Very nicely done. My thoughts.... I own a Custom T.C. McInturff made to my specs and custom wired. I own a couple of Harley Bentons (CST models, absolutely stock). I grab the Harley Benton Guitars way more often. I'd rather abuse (actually not really "abuse"... just think wear & tear) a much less expensive guitar that plays and sounds pretty much the same to almost everyone's ears. Yes, I still play my really wonderful and MUCH MORE Expensive guitars and love them very much, but I'd rather put the wear on a $200.00 guitar than my multi-thousand dollar guitars.
Cheers Brent, really appreciate your comment. I'm 100% the same - I like both of these guitars. For the money that they cost, I'm happy with what I got in each case. To play, they are not the same guitar, but to most folks listening (which is really all I wanted the video to show) do they hear a £2000 difference? As the comments will testify there's not a huge difference when you just hear one against the other. But that doesn't mean I'm unhappy with the Gibson. It's a beautiful guitar. I'm glad I got it. That said, like you, I would rather take out the less expensive one to a show and rip on that without the worry.
im a Les Paul Junior fan fron switzerland. I only play this model.in sunburst that's my style, I got both too,
I see a high value in the HB. no doubt.it doesn't have the fat neck like the Gibson. the HB is a bit artificial or steril rock machine, but the Gibson has a warm sound like a handmade violin, love both
Thanks for checking it out, folks. I agree, they're both nice guitars.
I NOW BOUGHT A HARLEY BENTON. I SWAPED OUT THE TUNERS FOR GROVERS A BONE NUT AND A BARE KNUCKLE P90 AND IT IS BETTER THAN THE GIBSON. THIS THING SMOKES NOW. GREAT GUITAR AND I will buy more
Nice one, Kenneth. I think that swapping the tuners is a good idea if you were playing live with these. But what incredible value for money they are. No way would I ever have got anything that quality for the money back in the early 80's.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld just ordered the emerald green CST 24.. It's name will be THE IRISHMAN 😁
They both sound good but the Gibson just has a richer tone and sounds more controlled imo, I feel like I can hear the difference in quality 🤷♂️ cool video, really good comparison 🤘🤘✌️🎸
Cheers Dean, yeah to my ears at 5:06, that's the sound I love. A full bodied P90 with some gain.
It'd be interesting to hear the Gibson pickup transplanted onto the Harley Benton.
I really can't tell, I had my eyes closed and enjoyed the sound separation
The HB held up against the Gibson! But the big G was beefier sounding. (Better pick up!)
Yeah, sound wise the Gibson sounds fuller, definitely change the pup on the HB for my next video. Really nice guitar though.
It would have been nice to hear if you can get closer to the tone of the Gibby by rolling back the tone on the HB.
Both sound excellent to me! Put the same pickup on both guitars, equalize them the exact same way, do a blind test, and most people won't be able to guess which is which. I've seen that over and over again on RUclips. People think they know a budget guitar from an expensive one - until an honest blind test. What people spend their money on is their business. But, for me, I choose something that I don't have to worry about (theft, damage, etc) and has nearly the exact same sound/feel with upgrades and a decent set-up.
Totally agree with ya there brother, I get caught out all the time in blind tests! These are both nice guitars and both play well. I'm glad I got both of them - great to compare and contrast. And I know exactly what you mean about the concerns re theft and damage. I seriously doubt I would take my CS Gibson out for a pub gig. I would probably lose it myself, rather than someone take it mind you!
@@DunsysGuitarWorld - Haha! I could see that. 'Now, where'd I put my bloody guitar??' 😂😂 If it's any consolation, I often get caught out by the blind tests as well! As Les Paul himself once said: "People listen with their eyes."
@@Axess-sv8nq Totally agree , after all it's just wood and electronics . Even buying boutique pickups doesn't do much more than you could do yourself with a cheap eq pedal . But some guitars just fit you better and are easier to be creative on ( that's what I tell my wife anyway ! )
@@Dad-Gad Yep! Guitars can fit you no matter what the cost is. It's all in how they work for you. None of the guitars I own cost me over $750 - and that was only 1 guitar that cost that much. The rest are all $500 and below. I just customize the heck out of them and tailor them to my own specs and what works for me.
A most excellent watch brother, very informative and Your guitar playing 🎼
Glad you enjoyed it, always appreciate you checking it out.
The only time it sounded different was on the Clean with Lead. It seemed like the Gibson pickup was a bit more powerful. Once you got to the Overdrive and the Lead I couldn't notice a difference. I have the HB CST-24T and I love those P90's. Power chords for days...
Yeah, I think the Gibson one is definitely pushing more output. In a blind test it would be interesting to see what, if anything, people pick up sound wise. I mean these are clearly different beasts in terms of playability and cost, certainly the cost! But soundwise they come quite close.
For a guitar of this price the HB p/up would be around $5 to produce - How can one compare sound from the real deal?
Do you think installing a second p90 on this would jive? I have not seen that mod on the Fat DC on any of the Harley benton groups yet.
It might do - I can't remember what how far the neck tenon goes into the body, that might be an issue maybe depending on how much of the wood you need to remove to do the pickup install.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld I just had a response from a thomann rep..
"Dear Customer,
thank you for your request.
That will be absolutely no problem.
The guitar will stay sable.
Kind regards".
With the appropriate tools, it would be a straight forward project. There are so many helpful channels out here, with some guidance for diy projects, good tutorials.
Good job on the comparison.
The Harley Benton is quite a bit brighter sounding than the Gibson. Like a cross between a P90 and a Telecaster bridge pickup. I like the sound of it and you can roll the tone pot to make it more mellow if desired.
The roswell pickups in the HB sound very bright for a P90 but that's nothing compression and a EQ pedal can't solve. Or just switch the pickup for another one. Great video and great playing, btw.
Yeah, I think a pickup change would benefit this guitar - incredible value for money instruments. Thanks for checking it out, much appreciated.
So many people are talking about HB great value for money and they are right. I have 3 of them myself. But, few days ago I went to my guitar tech who is also making guitars ( Billy Gibbons and Lance Lopez are playing his guitars, among others ) and he told me this - maybe you will have 75 or 80% of Gibson tone on HB for small amount of money, but that 15 or 20% improvement is so hard to get. That is why Gibson is so expensive and even they can't make it all the time. Hard to hear difference live, but in studio...I bet you would all go for Gibson and it makes all the sense in the world.
Thanks, the Gibson does sound better but I’m gonna get me self a Harley, great vid.
To my ears using my comp and cheap ass studio speakers the Gibson had just a slightly fuller warmer sound to it, which is not to say the Harley Benton sounded bad because it sounds great also. These are great times for getting usable good guitars for small money, it's great for all of us. I suspect swapping out the pickup and pots in the Harley for the Gibson stuff would make it almost identical in sound. Guitars !! It's a win either way :)
Hey Rich, really appreciate you checking out the video and your comment. Yeah, I'm absolutely with you on how lucky we are these days that you can get this kind of quality for such a competitive price. Jeezo, remember what was available back in the 80's that was considered budget gear?! In this video the Gibson definitely has a warmer sound. The HB could definitely (imho) do with a pickup upgrade - but that would really be a matter of choice for whoever buys one - possibly the tuners, but that would be something I would need to check out at rehearsals and gigs. These are two completely different guitars to play, that's without a doubt. But they sound much more similar than the price difference would suggest. And, for me, I'm happy with what I got, for what I paid, with both of them. I always say people should buy to their budget and, if they're happy with the guitar they get, then that's all that matters. Thanks again, Sir.
Ahhh......ma auld mucker.....how ye daein?
That'll be the HB brand I was bangin' oan aboot a coupla years back. If yer sellin' the HB wan, gies a shout.
Still the dude for rockin' guitar sounds, regardless of the price tag. Great work neebour!!
Peace and Love bro....✌️💗🙏
Auld fellar!! Ahm no too bad, hope yer well, Sir. Aye, the HB's are well built - I remember you mentioning them a long time ago, glad I finally took yer advice!
The Gibson one has a fuller, richer and more
musical attack than the tinny HB. The HB sounds as good as you pay for it, or maybe just a litlle more than that
That Gibby has something special in that tone, for sure!
Would you say these have slim neck or fat neck profile?? I'm liking the faded brown n like to try one? Good idea?
These ones have a 60's profile neck. It was bit too slim for me, tbh. The blue ones (with the split P90) had a bigger profile neck, but I'm not too sure about the new ones. My friend John has just bought one of the single cut Jr's, so I'll check with him what the profile is on that.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld thanks,ya can't tell in photos..on thomann
Chapters are a bit messy but you got a Big LIKE for the detailed review! Thanks
Thanks man, appreciate you checking it out.
Clean I like the Harley Benton better, but with Gain the Gibson. Maybe it would be worthwhile to put a better P90 like a Lollar in the HB.
I have a Bare Knuckles Nantucket in the HB. It's staying there.
Harley Benton DC Roswell P90 pickup.Hi. Does it have noise? Does it have a real humbucker?
If you think Harley benton is not enough good..You buy a kit (electronic) gibson junior.You upgrade for 50 dollars..I will not change pickup..After your guitar will be as good as a gibson.This was a good test.
Thanks for checking it out Eric, really appreciate everyone's support.
First thing I would do it get rid of the pickup for a Lollar and then put hipshot locking tuners and a good wiring harness. Work on the frets and tune it up and you are flying.
Sorry I was late to comment! I was camping in the big horns from Monday until Yesterday! Those guitars are so sick! They sound great too! Keep it up, man!
No problem - you video from that Wyoming countryside looked so good. Such a beautiful place. It's like a bigger version of Scotland with much better weather!
@@DunsysGuitarWorld Anywhere has better weather than Scotland !
I have the HB dc junior and a nos gibson p90 from late 90s when a guitar store went outta business just havent installed it yet
For me the pickup upgrade is definitely worthwhile - great guitars for the money.
No comparison. Gibson wins hands down, though for the price, the HB is a great starter guitar for anyone. I remember my first guitar. You could have flown a 747 under the strings, man.
Yep i had a hondo lp copy like that then got the lawsuit ibenez and could actually enjoy playing that but then i got a used '67 sg standard an was off to the races in '87 for 150$ before the 'vintage' hype 😅
Hi Dusty.
Have you tried the Vintage V120?
If so I would like to hear your opinion.
I am in doubt between the Harley Benton SC JR and the V120.
Hi Chris, I haven't, but I have been thinking about it. I've only ever played one Vintage (an SG Standard) and thought it was really nice. I really fancy getting one of the V100's with the mini humbuckers too. The problem I have is that I have a finite amount of room for guitars - I think there's 25 here just now (3 are on top of a wardrope, so I never even see them!) - so when I get one, I have to sell one of the other one's. My wife has drawn the line in the sand. Difficult times, my friend, difficult times.
I got the cherry dc last week I love it I like the sound with the tone knob out
It's a lot of guitar for the money - I'm glad I got it.
Very nice playing! Awesome to hear how they perform versus value for money. Great demonstration. The Gibson has a fuller sound but both are nice - would love to own a Gibson one day! My favourite Gibson is the ES175. Have a good night! Harry 🎸
Cheers Harry, yeah definitely a nice guitar for the money. Incredible what they can do these days.
Both kick ass ....simply said
Absolutely agree, brother. They are both nice guitars. I'm glad I got both of them!
My thoughts exactly Raven,I will say that I always preferred the double cut though(Pat Travers baby!)thanks Dunsy and l'm glad you got both as well.😁
Very cool demo! Those guitars sound great!
Thanks Sir, it's interesting just comparing the sound of each one - they feel totally different to play, but they have a lot in common sound wise.
I have this model of Harley Benton and I think it's great, but I can't seem to get it to sound perfectly in tune, and although it has a bridge that can be intonated, I hear some of the same issues in all the demos I have seen of these guitars, and I hear it in yours too. I think the Gibson with its stop tailpiece bridge sounds to play in tune with itself better. Perhaps the HB's have a nut cut a bit too high. I made plastic shims to raise the whole pickup. I think it gave it more beef than just raising the polepieces. I thougt your demo really did a great job in illustrating what these guitars sound like. I liked the brighter cleans of the HB but the single note lead runs had that extra special secret Gibson sauce that they just seem to have. I have a Custom Shop 58 Standard Historic Les Paul yhat cost the big bucks, but it also has a lot of that elusive classic 50's tone so iy is not going up for sale. Ever. But my HB single hangs in my studio and it hangs on the same wall as my beloved bourbonburst, and it looks just fine there. I'll bet the HB FAT Junior is even closer.
Yeah, I wish I had got the Fat Junior - this one has a neck that's a bit thinner than I prefer. I ended up putting a Wilkinson in this one and it really improved the sound. I like the idea of putting a shim in to raise it too, good thinking. The Gibson, even though it doesn't have a proper intonated bridge, seemed to have better intonation for me. Not sure why that would be. But it's a beautiful guitar, expensive tho! Really appreciate you checking it out.
Definately hear intonation/tuning problems on the hb. Shame, gorgeous guitar.
Focus on nut setup, 90% of tuning issues happen there. Nearly all the playing in the video is up by the nut too where intonation is to match higher frets better anyway. Nut slots are likely just a little high.The other common issues is if the guitar was set up with 9s at the factory and then restrung with 10s by the owner the nut slots can bind and intonation will certainly be off.
I went ahead n bought a faded brown w regular p90*** I will update you on neck profile so maybe help to others since necks really deal breaker for me,hoping medium..my HB sc450 has beefy neck,but I totally gutted n redid w minihumbuckers,fret level,dress,it's now a low action no buzz rock monster ..
Nice one, Scott. Yeah, the neck on the HB goldtop I have is the perfect profile for me. The Jr was a bit too slim. I wished I had got the Ferris Blue one. I found that adding the Seymour Duncan's really made the guitar sound better for my style.
I got reply back from thomann,they said the regular model Jr has slimmer profile on the neck,and the Fat one is on the blue and p100 stacked p90 more like humbucker....I'm wanting slimmer neck for a ryhthm guitar,I have early sc450 n it's a great meaty neck but I cannabilized the whole guitar w mini humbuckers like early 70,s Gibson..put Grover tuners,alot folks say it's one the best playing guitars they've played, did bone nut better bridge,***I got mine for $65.. us so I put like $100 in it n it's fully gigable tank ..I,ll update my Jr neck profile when I get it..they seem way behind in orders...oh well..I already got a upgraded bridge that will make 100% better improvement...
Harley sounded thiner Gibson sounded fuller and more punch. For the drive music I really like the Gibson. Harley sounded better on the soft music. Are you sure the settings were the same. I've heard Jr's that sound very open on the highs not like this.
Yeah, pretty sure the settings were exactly the same - not sure why the Gibson sounds a bit lacking, as it's fine in the other videos I've done. Strange. It's a great playing guitar, huge neck on it.
Harley Benton costs 249.-€ / Gibson costs 3498.-€, so the decision should be very easy for most people. For me it was 🙂
Been waiting for this one ! awesome ty im soo close to pullin the trigger on the harley benton one. I am still wondering about the regular one and the FAT necked one tho, or is it just Fat cause it has a stacked pickup? or both Ive been looking for vids that cover that.Maybe you can shed some light when you do the follow up vid for us. as you bought one and i'm sure you must have researched it. Watching and hoping you cover that. is the gibsons neck alot diffrent?
after watching this .I am sorry man but that harley benton sounds more articulate than the gibson and like it more.Its pretty amazing thanks again
Hey Michael, really appreciate you checking it out. That was absolutely my purpose for this video, simply checking out the sounds from both of these guitars. I'm glad I own both of them, they are different to play, but that's a video for another day! I'd have no hesitation recommending either depending on whichever fits your budget. My pal Johnny got the bigger neck Harley Benton and he loves it. The neck on this standard one is more akin to a 60's Gibson profile, maybe a wee bit more substantial, but not a lot. The neck on the Gibson is MASSIVE - I believe it is '57 period correct - my pal Loz, a very good player, felt it was a wee bit too much. I guess it just depends on your preference.
the FAT is a fatter neck profile for sure, not baseball bat fat, more like 24 at 1st instead of 20mm and 29 at 14th instead of 25mm.
For what it's worth the HB plays really nice but the pickup is pretty rubbish if you roll off the tone and isn't that great in genuine single coil mode, maybe the standard Roswell is ok but the 'hum bucking' stacked p90 is nothing like the true Gibson / Lollar / Fralin p90 sound which all have great tone in all positions, not just full tilt.
The HB (Wilkinson?) bridge is a little bulky and doesn't allow for lowering action too much.
The HB (Wilkinson) tuners are ok but usually need winding right back nearly a turn before coming up to tune.
The HB is made of probably at least 3 or 4 pieces of wood ( if that bothers you )
Other than that, the DC FAT HB is pretty amazing and doesn't have the typical fretboard shrinkage like a Gibson is likely to have - it's just aesthetic but it's a thing !
Also the ebony fretboard on the HB DC FAT is pretty sweet and Gibson doesn't do a 'FAT' neck that i know of in a Jr or Special.
Change pickup, bridge and wiring and it's pretty damn good with ebony board and fatter neck :)
ps. the Satin finish is great too, no sticky neck, it's a lot of Gibson-esque guitar for the $$s
Which one feels smoother to play ? I've got a Harley Benton Lemondrop and to my ears it will match any Gibson LP , but the fretboard is burnt maple or something and I just can't get on with it . On the other hand I've got a PRS custom 24 , plays like butter , sounds muffled 😕
Genuinely, the Gibson is a much better playing guitar than the HB - and I'm not in any way advocating dropping a considerable amount of $ on a Gibson CS! - HB do a fantastic guitar for the money. In fact, how they do it I don't know (although I expect it's economy of scale). This one plays really nice and sounds decent, although I'm not convinced that the stock pickup will handle rehearsal and gigging volume, but I've yet to try that. I always say buy to your budget - if your budget is HB, then this is an absolutely killer guitar for the money. If you can stretch to a used Gibson CS Junior (new, this is waaaay out of my price range) then I would say that you would not be wasting your money. They make really nice guitars.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld I've yet to try a real Les Paul so I have nothing to base my HB on , I did have a limited edition Slash epiphone which I later sold , but I couldn't really play more than position 1 pentatonic then so it could have been amazing and I wouldn't have known !
@@Dad-Gad I'm only on 2nd position pentatonic after 40 years, it's all about making it look good! And a hat, you need a nice hat.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld A good hat can always distract people from a poorly timed solo 👍
Rob Phillips you’ll give my game away.....lol! 😂
I love sound of mahogany...
Yeah, there's just something about it. My old slab body Melody Makers are so resonant too.
Nicely played laddie! \m/ Both guitars sound good, but the Gibbo had more body, less shrill. It has a BETTER P90 in it. However, there is NOT a few $K difference in sound! The HB keeps up with the Gibbo. Put a BETTER quality P90 in the HB & ya got a winner aye!
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Ah, cheers sir! Yeah, I think you're spot on with the pickups. The Gibson just sounds fuller. With a replacement pup the HB will be a lot better I think, so I'm looking forward to trying that.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld Good 1!
I'm sure you could stick a 20p resister in there somewhere and role off some of the shrill without having to replace pick-ups. Just a suggestion.
@@JWS1968 20p? role?
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I'd choose the Gibson dunsy Pete way from ufo just passed away man 2020 is a sad year losing alot of metal musicians
Yeah, could not believe it Navind. A truly sad day and a true Rock legend gone. What a shit year we're having.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld definitely man a real shit year we're losing legends and so many others things are on hold seduce said that after we are able to do another reunion we would dedicate a show to all of our fallen legends if we are able to do that show man ufo big influence on us man seduce used to cover ufo in our early days tell then all we can do is just do our normal day jobs
@@navindmoodley6855 Too true. I think I have bootlegs of my first band where half the set was UFO tunes (Schenker and Chapman eras), played badly, but with the right intentions. I'll be back in the States next summer (hopefully), be great to catch one of your shows.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld yeah man would be great to have you there just hope this year gets better though otherwise things will be on hold a lot longer
Just goes to show that it’s the wizard and not the wand that makes the magic, Harry Potter. Beautiful sounding guitar(s).
Thanks man, really appreciate that. I'm pleased to own both of these - glad I got them.
Gibson for my ❤❤❤
Thanks Fabio. I must say that this Gibson is the nicest guitar I own for playability. It's always interesting to compare the sound too, as people go on what they hear.
I’m confused. There’s a HB DC Junior and a HB DC Fat. Are those the same model or what?
You Can Split the microphone on the Fat version.
@@alexandrelooper8556 What about those necks? Are profiles neck any different?
@@jorgearcecofre8024 i think they are the same, very roundy. I only play the Non-Fat version...
I have one of those HB DC:s and actually prefer the cleaner tone. If you want more dirt, just add more dirt. The tuners need upgrading though.
The Gibson sounded more refined and musical. It better for the price difference!
That Gibson sounds pretty damn good Dunsy, not to overlook the HB... Thanks for sharing mate.
Ah, cheers bud. Appreciate you checking it out. Yeah, absolutely, they are completely different price points. Playing wise the Gibson is by far the better guitar - but that's the big difference in $. I'd recommend both, but get the one that suits your budget.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld For sure, always good advice Dunsy!
great video! i also loved the unboxing video!
i would absolutey stick a Bare Knuckle Pig 90 dogeared pickup in that HB, i have one in a Gibson SG Junior 60s and it sounds incredible!
Thanks Jamie - I actually stuck a Suppermassive in a Melody Maker I have, sounds fantastic. Did a video with it compared against the stock Gibson P90, no contest the BN is killer.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld oh those pups are definitely killer! I’ll have to find your video and check it out!
I just did a HB DC-60 vs Gibson SG Jnr with Bareknuckle Pig 90 comparison video, you can check it out here:
ruclips.net/video/Wjt9kElxg7Q/видео.html
Hope that’s ok to share! Keep making these awesome videos! All the best!
Did he mention the price. I assume the Harley was $89.99 and the Gibson was $8999.99
Indeed there's a big difference in price! I think as of November 2020 the Gibson will cost you 16 times more than the Harley Benton.
I am gonna buy the HB !!!
They're very nice guitars!
well done you. In the UK we are blessed for easy access to Thomann even after brexit there is a 3.5 % inport duty but still they are cheap as chips really. I have 3 Harley Bentons to date . Dirty mustard, FAT neck stacked P90 plus Tele. All shocked me how good they are . The tele is unbelievable. Truly is. Dirty Mustard dc wiring on tone pot is what it is . Such sweet sound out of that one . The FAT neck DC Model , well its not as fat as they advertise but its a joy to play. I will mod all 3 in the future . To get that Gibson sound lol....fiddle with BOSS equaliser, linked into Sweet Cream Tone city pedal plugged into Artist 20 amp and magic happens ......so is it worth me buying the Gibson logo or recreate it with the HB's lol.....
Definitely blessed here to be able to get these from Thomann - not sure how their import/postage works after Brexit, but still worth it, I would say. If you can get the sound that you're after from your gear, that's all that matters. Expensive guitars are not necessarily better sounding guitars.
Easy bro, I love your channel,
I’ve just got the Epiphone Les Paul Junior from Anderson, what’s great 👍 shop they are
I could of paid lesser for it but I would rather spend my £ at nice guitars shop and h
Nice! I've bought a few things from them and the service has always been fantastic. Enjoy that new guitar!
What does the Harley Benton weigh?
Very light, 6lbs ish.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld Thanks! I think I'm going for the faded cherry fat one. Hope it's as good as yours. I really appreciate your quick response! Great video.
@@hughmanetti1908 thanks for watching Hugh! Yeah, my friend got the fat Jr and loves it, definitely recommend that if you prefer a bigger neck.
The HB sounds fantastic. Yes the Gibson sounds better, but the difference does not warrant the huge price disparaty
Cheers Steve. Yeah the HB stands up well here - I guess that’s really all I was after, just to show that they are both nice sounding guitars.
The HB sounds brittle and thin. I can hear the cheap quality of the Wilkinson bridge and the microphonic noise coming from the HB pickup. The Gibson sounds balanced and warm and powerful due to superior components. You pay for what you get--ALWAYS!
I must say...the T-shirt...Whitford/St Holmes...great album. Seems like the tone on the HB is a bit brighter or Gibson a bit mellower...depends on if you are a glass half full or half empty. Not having played either...it's hard to tell but just a tweak of the treble can make either sound like the other. Cost wise...no comparison.
Just finished filming a cover for "Shy Away", believe it or not! One of my all time favourite albums. I plan on doing a full video episode about it - and a couple of lessons. Yeah, I think with a pickup change and eq'ing these would be pretty close sounding. That's not to take anything away from the Gibson, which is a really, really nice guitar, (as you say it's significantly more expensive) but I just went purely with sound comparison on this one.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld So I assume you picked up W/SH Reunion album. I'm going to say it. I think Brad Whitford is the better guitarist between him and Joe Perry. Joe gets all the accolades but Brad can rip it. Not certain if I would go with a Harley Benton but it looks like a great guitar at a low price and fits a budget conscience buyer.
Yeah, it's a great album - plus the only affordable way to get the first album on cd as it comes as a bonus! Manged to pick up a couple of bootleg tapes way back when, I guess they only did a very few dates touring for the first album.
No way can I afford the Gibson (low budget, plus my shoddy playing doesn't warrant the $$$$$). However, I have read reviews of HB shipping and delays that have kept me from pulling the trigger. I know it would raise prices but a U.S. Distributor would help that. Oh, well. Can't have it both ways, i'll either end up without a HB or take the chance! From this review it definitely isn't the quality of the guitar (for the price) that is holding me back! Thanks Donsy!
No worries, always happy to help. Yeah, I guess once you add a Distributor into the equation, then that's the price going up. HB can do these at this price point as they only have Thomann. I've got a few friends stateside who have them and didn't hear of any delays, but they haven't bought in the last 3 months or so.
Just pulled the trigger yesterday. Bought it from thomann. Only option was 81 dollar shipping. They said I’ll get it in 4 days. The only thing I’m worried I’ll regret was the color. Bought the red but liked the brown, faded blue and other blue
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Why thank ya!
The gibson sounds warmer mainly because of the rosewood fretboard..
Just ordered a fat faded cherry-I ironically have a extra stock Gibson bridge p90. Push comes to shove it’ll just be a swap out. Also got a coronet pickguard to really dress it up
Ah, you know I never even about the Epi pickguard - I think that will look killer. I would say that the Gibson P90 will be a definite upgrade as well. Should be a smashing looking and sounding guitar.
Put a Gibson P-90 in the Harley Benton then have a go.
Definitely the way forward, I think. They'll be pretty damn close then.
i love that Gibson
It really is a beautiful guitar. I’m scared to put a scratch on it!
VERY good comparison test! Always good to hear same riff in quick succession before getting lost and confused! Harley wins the sparkling high cleans hands down! Gibson sounds muffled and wooly for some reason! Like the pots turned down,but with gain and your octave bit the custom shop junior sounds ace ,and has something the harley just can't do! Ringing mids perhaps? I honestly don't know ,just sounds fuller.👌😁🎸
Cheers, Sir. Yeah, just wanted to get a video out there comparing the sound of each within a tune. Always good to compare them right next to each other too, my mind wanders if there's too much time in between each part! I think the Gibson definitely has more body about it sound wise. I've ordered a new P90 for the Harley Benton, not convinced it could take full on rehearsal/gig volume, with gain, without sounding too shrill. I'll do a final video comparing the playability of both. But, for the record, for what they cost, they're both really nice.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld Very cool comparison. It is very interesting now to listen to the comparison of two p-90 on HB. I will wait for this review!
I've read HB can use up to 6 pieces of wood to make their guitar bodies, making this more of a scrap wood project than a labor of love.
Can I ask how many pieces have they put into this guitar ?
At the end of the day it's not about the money, but the sound.
Hi, thanks for checking out the video - five pieces used on this particular guitar.
I think the HB sounds more snappy and ii like it. Maybe the fretboard is different on HB. I dont like The Pickup on HB, but it is a nobrainer to change the pickup, for most people, maybe i buy the HB and find out how it feels and reacts in mine hands
I Got a B Stock with the fat neck and ebony fretboard today. What a Nice fat neck, feels almost like a late 50 Gibs neck. I Got the bridge Down to the limit and the strings is very close to the frets, and no buzzing, it is a very Well done guitar. To my surprise the roswell pickup was use able and sounds ok, i normaly i dont like them. The guitar is about half the weight as my old Custom, good for my old back, unplugged my custom sounds deeper and richer, I will try to change the pickup to real deal i have and change the bridge to a babicz and let my Ears think for me. Only problem is the Black Stains on my finger tips :)
I saw " Whitford/ st. Holmes " first tour... I believe they opened for blue oyster cult & fight. I'm a bigger derek st. Holmes fan !
I love that original Whitford St Holmes album - and the comeback one was pretty damn good too. Incredibly talented pair.
Besides the vastly better pickups in the Gibson, I wonder how the pots measure in these two guitars. Maybe just a change to 330k log pots, a Russian PIO cap and 50s wiring in the HB will make it sound a lot closer to the Gibson.
...sorry guys, this "little bit more" of the gibson is just in your heads. if you scroll down, reading the comments while listening you can´t say which guitar is played at the moment. Physics can´t be tricked by a logo on a headstock and there is no magic wood (tonewood and eletrical guitars...what a joke...) what makes the guitar sound good. I own several gibsons and i love them... but if I put all my SG´s together they all sound a bit different because of one simple reason: they all are different guitars! They have different pickups and there is a bit of tolerance with the potentiometers... and so on...
if you rip out wiring harness and pickup of the Junior and throw it into the HB I bet you will hear no difference in a blindtest. And here we are... most guitar players hear with their eyes... and at least: if the drummer kicks in you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between both guitars. So don´t let people judge your music or your playing by the logo an the headstock. just ignore them. Buy the guitar you like, set it up well and have fun playing it
The double cutaway single pickup is a very simple guitar. IMHO spending thousands on one is madness because as HB show here its not difficult to make a good copy of the guitar cheaply because its a very simple concept.
Both have there plus points,..... I know which one Id gig with out a care in the world.
Yeah, absolutely! I doubt I'll be in Binkies rocking a £2.5K Jr!
👍 Good friend Dunsy. 🙂 💫 Fantastic guitars, great sounds. 🙂 💫 Rock!
Thank you my fried, always appreciate your support.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld always friend Dunsey!!!
This is such and awesome video! The gibson sounds better, but the HB is 80 to 90% of the sound. For the money 💰 you just can't beat it. I was looking closely at the HB fat sky blue, p90 and humbuckers with a switch. I really feel like dollar value you just can't beat it. Thanks for the comparison! It really helps see exactly what solid value you're getting!
Nice guitars!
Cheers Kim, two different beasts, but both sound and play real nice.
The HB does sound brighter, but honestly, if your not a gear snob, the HB is the one to get, even if you were to mod it with top of the line parts, you would not come close to the price of a Gibson, let alone a custom shop.
Although I'm aware of the sheer overall quality difference between the two, I wasn't expecting there to be a drastic difference in tone, but listening on a good pair of reference headphones the HB sounded "ok" but from the first note on the Gibson, you can really hear why it costs what it does. It's a completely different dimension. There's 100s of Gibson/HB comparisons online and for me it's always the same result.
Yes you could put a better pickup in the HB which would get it closer in terms of sound but there's far more to the equation than just the pickup. To get the HB on the same page as the Gibson, sound, feel and durability wise, you would need to change the pickup, pots and electrics, the bridge, the nut, the tuners and most likely the frets will need to be either looked at or changed. By the time you've done all that, it'll have cost you the same as buying the Gibson and even withall those upgrades, you're still left with the low grade wood with a thick poly finish, questionable workmanship in places and a truss rod that probably won't stand up to the rigours of the road.
Don't get me wrong, I'm no snob, I've owned and own guitars from all price ranges and i can say that HB are great value for money in their price range, great for beginners to start off with a good quality instrument for a sensible price tag, great for people who want to try a specific type of guitar, to see if they like it, without spending a fortune and great for non gigging guitarists that want a half about guitar to play at home. They just don't compare to the quality, sound, feel, workmanship, durability and heritage that you get with Gibson! Or Fender or PRS for that matter.
The Custom shop guitars are expensive, but I cannot fault how great this guitar is. No complaints about either guitar for what I paid for each.
Preferred the Harley, personally. Good video, thank you.
Lololol, the Harley Benton sounds so much better woooow 👍
To me, the Gibson sounds a little more full sounding, and a little darker( but you would expect that because it has more wood, less cutaway) but to me, the double cut is better looking, and so similar sounding I would choose it for myself regardless of the price difference!
I remember a friend I was in a band with - sadly no longer with us - went to try out a Gretsch White Falcon (this would have been 1990) and when the guy in the guitar shop asked what amp he wanted to try it through, he said "have you got a full length mirror?", lol, he had a shot (without plugging it into an amp), looked in the mirror and decided it looked too big on him and bought a Silver Jet instead. You should absolutely always go for a guitar that looks best on you in a full length mirror, that's the spirit of Rock and Roll!
I wonder .. has anybody put a Humbucker in ?
Haven't seen anyone do that as yet, but I think it would be a killer sound.
Both sound really good. As I have come to expect with my own HArley Benton, SC L1000, the stock pickups are have the same plastic sound. At the price point though even with a pick upgrade HB's are great value.
Shaun Nelson yeah, totally agree Shaun, quite incredible what you get for the money. I’m looking at getting a full fat Les Paul to try against my other brands.
I agree I binned the Roswell in my fusion asap as dynamic as a plastic jelly pot. Quality control can be a gamble with HB they’re great for the money and once had a set up and checked out all the parts for faults. My floyd anchors started lifting out on the fusion. Removed the floyd pulled the anchors cleaned then tightbonded them in. Now it’s rock solid but to a beginner or someone with no guitar repair skills it’s a lot of hassle sending back to Germany especially for those in the States.
Nice t-shirt 👍 SHARPSHOOTERRRRR! :)
I should really do a guitar play-through of that whole album. It's just incredible!
Yeah man,wow,that would be cool.I think I still have the cassette I recorded off the album somewhere along with St.Paradise on the other side.😁
Maybe even a St Paradise tune at some point - that's another classic album/
i love the gibson p90ies.other than that, its the same guitar i guess.
The gibson with the bridge you cant intonate though
they must have sent you a special made Benton. The one I got is crap. Put a seymore duncan in it got it set up and its crap
I've just bought every one direct from the website - maybe I was lucky? Other than the tuners and a personal choice of changing out the pickups, I haven't had any issues.
Ballsie bro.
Trade PUPs and then test BLINDFOLDED and see if you can tell a difference.
Blindfold test is always tricky, that's for sure.
Gibson had a better sound to me...
Yeah, just a much fuller sound.
I like HB better. Gb screams too much.
I would prefer the Harley Benton........
Definitely 2 great guitars at different ends of the price scale.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld yes and the Harley Benton would be good enough for me, even the Gibson sounds a bit better.......but your comparison shows, that the difference is not so great that it is ok to pay 1000?Euro more. And i have 3 Harley Benton in my collection, a Paula Copy with P90 pickups, a Black Flying V and a Sunburstpaula. Dunsy, i appreciate your videos, man, Tell me, where are you from.........i am not Sure about your accent, could it be scotish? I am from GERMANISTAN........Germany and kind regards my Dear Brother in Rock
@@thorstenriedel3152 I am indeed in Scotland. Although I was actually in Germany at the weekend playing a show in Leipzig. I love travelling to Germany and playing there. Such a beautiful country.
@@DunsysGuitarWorld wow.....thank you for your reply........and i love Scotland, i have been there in Glasgow in the 80ies. I had a lot of drinks with very friendly people, and i came into the scottish english in the Pubs......great times and i love Nazareth and Bon Scott and Angus and Malcom who are scottish born, too. And man i love your Saxon Videos......hungry years and so on. By the way....Harley Benton is sold by a German Company Thomann, you know i think. I have subsribed your channel.....i think we are in the same age? I am 56 and you? You were a Metal kid in the 80ies too? In Glasgow there were recorded great live Albums.......Status Quo.......and Thin Lizzy......? Very cool man, have a very nice day, Thorsten
Yeah...the Gibson smokes that HB. Your preamp input is too hot on the Gibson clean, causing it to distort. Otherwise, nice playing and demo.
That said, I have a real 59 DC, and it absolutely destroys that CS. It’s disappointing to hear that Gibson can’t get close to replicating their vintage guitars.
I get that you have to cater to your current audience, so let the teenagers and 20 somethings buy up the HBs to their heart’s content. Maybe one day they’ll actually play a vintage Gibson, and understand the difference.
Para mi gusto no se pueden comparar , la gibson en su sonido es mil veces mejor es muy obvio al oído 👂(((((
Thanks for checking it out, much appreciated!
Mi opinión es solo con el audio que tenemos en esta review, se nota la Gibson un sonido más compacto , rico , con más armónicos y definición . Entiendo el atractivo de la Harley Benton el diseño y la calidad está muy bien para el precio . Muy buena relación calidad precio . Pero cuando ya tocas con este segmento de guitarras en el entorno de grupo te das cuenta enseguida que no llega a tener un sonido rico .Si sirve para tocar en tu cuarto en casa .
Me pasa a mi con mi strato st 58 ,bien regulada como cuerdas buenas y cuando toco con mi grupo me la descuelgo en la segunda canción .
Un abrazo .
The Benton actually sounds better
No way you are telling the difference if you close your eyes.
You aren't paying just for the fancy name with the Gibson but unless you're Jeff Bezos or have just won the lottery it's hard to justify paying 20 times as much for it.
Yeah, I guess it all goes on your budget. The HB is incredible value and well made, I find it amazing that they can do them so cheap.