Excellent talk and thanks for clarification. It is seem in the modern world number of youth are being brain washed and without depth research youth are tend to belief in view which is often come in light of falsity. I scroll down the comments and there are many harsh words throwing towards Professor Samdhong. While reading those comments i have tendency and expecting points or reason for what sake they against you? in fact if they have valid point I'm ready to take that but disappointedly i don't see even single points in their comments. It gives me more vivid insight that how hateful view deposited in their mind. They are object of compassion you Rinpoche you said in speech. Many thanks i will apply your precious instruction and view Shungden follower being brained washed by ignorance and wrong view. and their are first being to be taken as object of compassion. Many thanks. My humble respect and bow down to you Rincpoche.
Such a wonderful explained by Zamdong Rinpoche about dhogyal issue, and have to know that differentate between social boycott and social discrimination. we need Boycott all the dhogyal followers.
This speach is awesome, every single word have logic behind, this speach indicated that all accused to his holiness and cta by dhogyal followers are baseless
As many as people can't access internet to watch and listen such a important and valuable speach by s rinpoche so I request to CTA to make DVD copy as much as possible and distribute to where Tibetans live, specially in monasteries, Tibetan stalement and Tibetan school
We need translate this explainatin in english and spread each of us face book to make know the reality to the westerners who being misleaded by dogyal bosss. Love you samdhang rinpoch ..
A clearer version in English: -Previous Ganden Throneholder, Lungrik Rinpoche (now resident in France) deceived HH Dalai Lama and promised to avoid Shugden in order to secure enough supporters to take the Ganden throneholder position, should be a something written to this effect. As soon as he stopped as Ganden Throneholder, he revealed he was still practicing Shugden. -The CTA has requested specific incidents, individuals and evidence of Shugden believers turned away from essential services such as medical help and education, and has received none. -He urged the students not to believe what he said because of which “side” he was on. He also urged them not to believe Shugden claims simply because they identified with that “side”, but to do the reading and checking necessary to form their own opinions. -Mentioned that prominent Shugden people, of whom the CTA is well aware, were issued travel documents through the assistance of the CTA and the Indian government just like any other Tibetan. Noted the number of Shugden people travelling on these documents. Therefore no human rights violation on freedom to movement, coming in and out of India. -Mentioned that Geshe Kelsang Gyatso and Gangchen Rinpoche have an incorrect understanding (extreme?) with regards to the teachings on “How to Rely on the Virtuous Friend (Teacher)”. -Even though the above people have caused problems, still according to Buddhism actually we should have compassion for them. Especially compassion considering the future karmic consequences of their actions. -Has reiterated that in the case of Kelsang Gyatso and Gangchen, they have been safe for many years. That the CTA NEVER issued orders to kill or harm these people. At the same time, compassion does not mean that their incorrect views, and mistakes, should not be pointed out and corrected. -Mentioned that Shugden people being refused from certain shops was not a campaign of the government. Said this was a decision of the individual shopholders. Said that rather it is a boycott, not human rights abuse, that began due to negative actions of Shugden party. That this is a personal decision. Mentioned it as an individual grassroots political action, like boycotting Chinese products as a way of effecting change in policy. -Mentioned that Shugdens took their case to both Amnesty International and the National Human Rights Campaign, and neither organization felt what was presented to them required a mandate to action. -Sees this issue through the lens of democracy like this: Democracy is open society that takes decisions for the well being of the people. Hence, considering harm of Shugden practice, for the well being of the people it should be spoken out against.
Brief notes from this talk about important points: Previous Ganden Throneholder, Lungrik Rinpoche (now resident in France) deceived HH Dalai Lama and promised to avoid Shugden in order to secure enough supporters to take the Ganden throneholder position, should be a something written to this effect. As soon as he stopped as Ganden Throneholder, he revealed he was still practicing Shugdedn. -The CTA has requested specific incidents, indivduals and evidence of Shugden believers turned away from essential services such as medical help and education,a and has received none. -He urged the students not to believe what he said because of which "side" he was on. He also urged them not to believe Shugden claims simply because they identified with that "side", but to do the reading and checking necessary to form their own opinions. -Mentioned that prominent Shugden people, of whom the CTA is well aware, were issued travel documents through the assistance of the CTA and the Indian government just like any other Tibetan. Noted the number of Shugden people traveling on these documents. Therefore no human rights violation on freedom to movement, come in and out of India. -Mentioned that Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, Gangchen Rinpoche have an incorrect understanding (extreme?) with regards to the teachings on "How to Rely on the Virtuous Friend (Teacher)". -Even though the above people have caused problems, still according to Buddhism actually we should have compassion for them. Especially compassion condering future karmic consequences of their actions. -Has reiterated that in the case of KG and Gangchen, have been safe for many years. That the CTA NEVER issued orders to kill or harm these people. At same time, compassion does not mean that their incorrect views, and mistakes, should not be pointed and corrected. -Mentioned that Shugden people being refused from certain shops was not a campaign of the government. Said this was a decision of the individual shopholders. Said that rather it is a boycott, not human rights abuse, that began due to negative actions of Shugden party. That this is a personal decision. Mentioned it as an individual grassroots political action, like boycotting Chinese products as a way of effecting change in policy. -Mentioned Shugdens took their case to both Amnesty International and the National Human Rights Campaign, and neither organization felt what was presented to them required a mandate to action. -Sees this issue through the lens of democracy like this: Democracy is open society that takes decisions for the well being of the people. Hence, considering harm of Shugden practice, for the well being of the people it should be spoken out against.
This is happening right now in Tibet. all dorje shugden followers. Over half million tibetans. Multiply x 5 the Number of Tibetans that are living in India. where here just for one dorje shugden lama's enthronement ceremony. Denma Gonsar Rinpoche Reincarnation's welcome ceremony in Tibet
Listen to what H.H. Dalai Lama says about Shugden on here, here's some good advice: Keep Well Away from Shugden, & the NKT. { Watch: BBC Documentary 'An Unholy Row' Network East }
Thats one of the problems in our community. Monks playing politics. i have seen his teaching in Gyutoe monastery in North India. Where he said at the beginning of his lamrim teaching that he got him lamrim teaching from Trijang Rinpoche in Lhasa, Tibet. Now he is going against his own guru Trijang Rinpoche. I also remember when he was offered a honorary prize in Delhi by Tibetan Youth Congress, he said whatever he does and did for the Tibetan government is because of his Guru Trijang Rinpoche advice and not out of his patriotism for Tibetan cause. I am puzzled by the two faces of Samdong Rinpoche.
We are not talking about who has the truth, what we are talking about is use politic power to ostracize one part of Tibetan society because they believe different. We respect your understanding about precious Dorje Shugden practice but, could you guys respect the Dorje Shugden practitioner and give them the same right in your exile country?
How can he have such a stern face and lie so beautifully. Who does he think he is. Speaking down on Ganden Trisur Lungri Namgyal la. These CTA people have destroyed the Tibetan Unity and is feeding children with their poisonous speech. Shame on you Samdhong.
Monk Samdhong, Stop lying to student's. HH Gaden Tripa 101 was from Sharpa Choja. not Jansta choja. and Then you act like you don't even remember HH 101st Ganden Tripa Lungri Namgyal Rinpoche la's Name. How can you talk about HH Gaden Tripa to Students/public when you don't even know HH Gaden Tripa's Name and weather HH is from Sharpa choja or Jantse Choja. If 101 Gaden Tripa took promise or swear in front of HH Dalai lama and now he is shugden lama. Doesn't make him lier. DON'T FORGET YOU TOOK SOGTA FROM HIS HOLINESS KYBJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE IN 1972. NOW, You are against your own guru. ( Do you not understand meaning of guru devotion?) Penpa Tsering, Samdhong, Lobsang Sangay. You Three really needs to work for making Tibetans united and for the Tibetan Independence ( Ranzen) . Leave this Shugden issue alone... it's running the image of HH Dalai lama. and destroying unity of tibetans.
Such a good genuine clarification. Respect Rinpoche!
Thank you so much Sammdong Rinpoche, such a wonderful explained...... please live long for us
Dharma Volunteer Germany ruclips.net/video/e4Nzks2Qdrw/видео.html
H.E. Samdhong Rinpoche La thank you so much for your kind advice to us about Dolgyal,
Sublime truth. What noble Rinpoche said is all true nothing but the truth, live long Rinpoche please
Excellent speech we Tibetan support you
Excellent talk and thanks for clarification. It is seem in the modern world number of youth are being brain washed and without depth research youth are tend to belief in view which is often come in light of falsity. I scroll down the comments and there are many harsh words throwing towards Professor Samdhong. While reading those comments i have tendency and expecting points or reason for what sake they against you? in fact if they have valid point I'm ready to take that but disappointedly i don't see even single points in their comments. It gives me more vivid insight that how hateful view deposited in their mind. They are object of compassion you Rinpoche you said in speech. Many thanks i will apply your precious instruction and view Shungden follower being brained washed by ignorance and wrong view. and their are first being to be taken as object of compassion. Many thanks. My humble respect and bow down to you Rincpoche.
Such a wonderful explained by Zamdong Rinpoche about dhogyal issue, and have to know that differentate between social boycott and social discrimination. we need Boycott all the dhogyal followers.
This speach is awesome, every single word have logic behind, this speach indicated that all accused to his holiness and cta by dhogyal followers are baseless
Lets us share of 1996 and 1997 point.
Thank you Rinpoche for explain
*People Please listen to H.H. 14th Dalai Lama, he's guiding you very correctly in this matter.*
As many as people can't access internet to watch and listen such a important and valuable speach by s rinpoche so I request to CTA to make DVD copy as much as possible and distribute to where Tibetans live, specially in monasteries, Tibetan stalement and Tibetan school
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Wonderful speech by rinpoche thank you
Long live Rimpochoe🙏🙏🙏always focused on Truth🌺🌺💐👍👍👍👍
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He is genuinely support his holiness regarding shugden issue Long live and good health professor Samdong rinpoche
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Thanks for your wonderful explained.
Long live rinpoche la
We need translate this explainatin in english and spread each of us face book to make know the reality to the westerners who being misleaded by dogyal bosss. Love you samdhang rinpoch ..
here is the english translation of above
itibetan.org/samdhong
Please put English subtitles!
A clearer version in English:
-Previous Ganden Throneholder, Lungrik Rinpoche (now resident in France) deceived HH Dalai Lama and promised to avoid Shugden in order to secure enough supporters to take the Ganden throneholder position, should be a something written to this effect. As soon as he stopped as Ganden Throneholder, he revealed he was still practicing Shugden.
-The CTA has requested specific incidents, individuals and evidence of Shugden believers turned away from essential services such as medical help and education, and has received none.
-He urged the students not to believe what he said because of which “side” he was on. He also urged them not to believe Shugden claims simply because they identified with that “side”, but to do the reading and checking necessary to form their own opinions.
-Mentioned that prominent Shugden people, of whom the CTA is well aware, were issued travel documents through the assistance of the CTA and the Indian government just like any other Tibetan. Noted the number of Shugden people travelling on these documents. Therefore no human rights violation on freedom to movement, coming in and out of India.
-Mentioned that Geshe Kelsang Gyatso and Gangchen Rinpoche have an incorrect understanding (extreme?) with regards to the teachings on “How to Rely on the Virtuous Friend (Teacher)”.
-Even though the above people have caused problems, still according to Buddhism actually we should have compassion for them. Especially compassion considering the future karmic consequences of their actions.
-Has reiterated that in the case of Kelsang Gyatso and Gangchen, they have been safe for many years. That the CTA NEVER issued orders to kill or harm these people. At the same time, compassion does not mean that their incorrect views, and mistakes, should not be pointed out and corrected.
-Mentioned that Shugden people being refused from certain shops was not a campaign of the government. Said this was a decision of the individual shopholders. Said that rather it is a boycott, not human rights abuse, that began due to negative actions of Shugden party. That this is a personal decision. Mentioned it as an individual grassroots political action, like boycotting Chinese products as a way of effecting change in policy.
-Mentioned that Shugdens took their case to both Amnesty International and the National Human Rights Campaign, and neither organization felt what was presented to them required a mandate to action.
-Sees this issue through the lens of democracy like this: Democracy is open society that takes decisions for the well being of the people. Hence, considering harm of Shugden practice, for the well being of the people it should be spoken out against.
Wow, thank you for the in-depth explanation.
Logical speech
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Kyap su che samdong rinpocha la.
Boycott dhogyal and chinese good.
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Brief notes from this talk about important points:
Previous Ganden Throneholder, Lungrik Rinpoche (now resident in France) deceived HH Dalai Lama and promised to avoid Shugden in order to secure enough supporters to take the Ganden throneholder position, should be a something written to this effect. As soon as he stopped as Ganden Throneholder, he revealed he was still practicing Shugdedn.
-The CTA has requested specific incidents, indivduals and evidence of Shugden believers turned away from essential services such as medical help and education,a and has received none.
-He urged the students not to believe what he said because of which "side" he was on. He also urged them not to believe Shugden claims simply because they identified with that "side", but to do the reading and checking necessary to form their own opinions.
-Mentioned that prominent Shugden people, of whom the CTA is well aware, were issued travel documents through the assistance of the CTA and the Indian government just like any other Tibetan. Noted the number of Shugden people traveling on these documents. Therefore no human rights violation on freedom to movement, come in and out of India.
-Mentioned that Geshe Kelsang Gyatso, Gangchen Rinpoche have an incorrect understanding (extreme?) with regards to the teachings on "How to Rely on the Virtuous Friend (Teacher)".
-Even though the above people have caused problems, still according to Buddhism actually we should have compassion for them. Especially compassion condering future karmic consequences of their actions.
-Has reiterated that in the case of KG and Gangchen, have been safe for many years. That the CTA NEVER issued orders to kill or harm these people. At same time, compassion does not mean that their incorrect views, and mistakes, should not be pointed and corrected.
-Mentioned that Shugden people being refused from certain shops was not a campaign of the government. Said this was a decision of the individual shopholders. Said that rather it is a boycott, not human rights abuse, that began due to negative actions of Shugden party. That this is a personal decision. Mentioned it as an individual grassroots political action, like boycotting Chinese products as a way of effecting change in policy.
-Mentioned Shugdens took their case to both Amnesty International and the National Human Rights Campaign, and neither organization felt what was presented to them required a mandate to action.
-Sees this issue through the lens of democracy like this: Democracy is open society that takes decisions for the well being of the people. Hence, considering harm of Shugden practice, for the well being of the people it should be spoken out against.
Thank you for your effort. It's accurately translated!
Sherap Therchin Thank you! I will tell the translator!!!
This is happening right now in Tibet. all dorje shugden followers. Over half million tibetans. Multiply x 5 the Number of Tibetans that are living in India. where here just for one dorje shugden lama's enthronement ceremony.
Denma Gonsar Rinpoche Reincarnation's welcome ceremony in Tibet
Listen to what H.H. Dalai Lama says about Shugden on here, here's some good advice: Keep Well Away from Shugden, & the NKT.
{ Watch: BBC Documentary
'An Unholy Row' Network East }
Thats one of the problems in our community. Monks playing politics. i have seen his teaching in Gyutoe monastery in North India. Where he said at the beginning of his lamrim teaching that he got him lamrim teaching from Trijang Rinpoche in Lhasa, Tibet. Now he is going against his own guru Trijang Rinpoche.
I also remember when he was offered a honorary prize in Delhi by Tibetan Youth Congress, he said whatever he does and did for the Tibetan government is because of his Guru Trijang Rinpoche advice and not out of his patriotism for Tibetan cause.
I am puzzled by the two faces of Samdong Rinpoche.
dorje samdup ruclips.net/video/e4Nzks2Qdrw/видео.html
Shugden？I don't agree with what you said.
We are not talking about who has the truth, what we are talking about is use politic power to ostracize one part of Tibetan society because they believe different. We respect your understanding about precious Dorje Shugden practice but, could you guys respect the Dorje Shugden practitioner and give them the same right in your exile country?
How can he have such a stern face and lie so beautifully. Who does he think he is. Speaking down on Ganden Trisur Lungri Namgyal la. These CTA people have destroyed the Tibetan Unity and is feeding children with their poisonous speech. Shame on you Samdhong.
Tenzin Nachug ruclips.net/video/e4Nzks2Qdrw/видео.html
Your shugden is against unity
Monk Samdhong, Stop lying to student's. HH Gaden Tripa 101 was from Sharpa Choja. not Jansta choja. and Then you act like you don't even remember HH 101st Ganden Tripa Lungri Namgyal Rinpoche la's Name. How can you talk about HH Gaden Tripa to Students/public when you don't even know HH Gaden Tripa's Name and weather HH is from Sharpa choja or Jantse Choja.
If 101 Gaden Tripa took promise or swear in front of HH Dalai lama and now he is shugden lama. Doesn't make him lier. DON'T FORGET YOU TOOK SOGTA FROM HIS HOLINESS KYBJE TRIJANG RINPOCHE IN 1972. NOW, You are against your own guru. ( Do you not understand meaning of guru devotion?)
Penpa Tsering, Samdhong, Lobsang Sangay. You Three really needs to work for making Tibetans united and for the Tibetan Independence ( Ranzen) . Leave this Shugden issue alone... it's running the image of HH Dalai lama. and destroying unity of tibetans.