People were tweaking about her W but honestly the execute seems like the most problematic thing about her kit. Honestly, I could see changes to her Q and nerfs to the execute. Then again I'm no expert.
i feel like her q range is wayyy to large for how much pressure it applies, plus her w cd can get pretty short late game with cdr.her execute is def too strong too
@rafinha4821 It's not a normal execute Mel stores damage on enemies that doesn't activate until they're in the threshold and has 0 %health scaling so MR and HP reduce it's effectiveness.
I mean people are fine with her kit because its genuinely so cool. We all wanted the reflect at some point. Only the execute can be a bit of a problem but its still pretty balanceable
Def the execution seems to be the issue. Idgaf if I lane against someone that reflects my abilities, I will just have to try to bait the reflect or be careful when I cast my abilities, just like with morgana black shield.
I don't think Axiom Arcanist would do as much in Malignance + Ultimate Hunter combo since it reduces current CD time, so Malignance and UH lowering base CD makes 7% CD refund on Axiom Arcanist cut less CD
@@chendrix-materialdesigner of course you can use all 3, but you're losing on other stuff in terms of runes and items, that could easily be in the spot of one of these things. Currently max rank Mel R has 80s of CD, which is already low tbh. If we only account Axiom Arcanist and let's say she kills 3 people with it, she gets almost 16 seconds of ult CD reduction. Now with fully stacked Ultimate Hunter and Malignance, she has base 48.1s of CD, with same triple kill you end up with around 9.4 of refunded CD. That being said, in my book her R more like an extension to her execute from passive or at least to put them low enough that your allies can finish them in one hit. In the end, I'd say that if you really want to, you can go Axiom Arcanist + Ultimate Hunter, but any other mana item will perform and offer you better stuff than Malignance ever will.
@ but malignance still provides 85AP, 15 haste, 600 mana, and provides a burning zone on anyone hit by her ult. It’s not *just* useful for ultimate haste.
That's the problem. Passive effect comes only when you cast ult, and it's not even good one, doing laughable damage and 99% the time people can just walk out of it. Stats are also nothing good in comparison to other options, so this item is currently good only on maybe 3 mages that are really reliant on their ults or they interact with its passive in a good way. Other 3 Lost Chapter items offer better stats and passive effects in general
The reason cass and swain use it. Because they can actually use the health and do constant damage to perma apply it. Mel is a artillery mage and not a burn damage. You want at best max health damage or just burst that's it.
@@flashfire1259 - Also the fact they really love it for their respective jobs. Swain has to slow so he can maintain people inside his ult - otherwise he loses a lot of value. Also pretty much guarantees his E; And Cassiopeia HAS to hit her Q else she does no damage, so slow pretty much never lets her miss. Both apply it absurdly well and it also has immense value for both - adding to what you already said.
@@nathanmello4407 So the same reasoning should apply to Mel too. She has no damage unless she hits Q, or a very slow moving E. Having Rylai's on Mel Q means they stay in Q longer, which also leads to E landing more.
@@cat-vv9xb - The value doesn't justify itself. Cassiopeia's whole kit revolves around her hitting poison or she can't fight, and Swain needs to stick - this happens because they are battle mages, and it's the same reason they don't need that much ap but need health. Mel doesn't have a good enough trade-off from Rilay's to justify building it because she isn't a battlemage so building hp is a waste, which makes her lose ap - and the only thing she gets is damage, despite most likely playing at max range (where enemies will get out of your Q slowed or not, anyways). It's not good enough. Mel gains 'guaranteed damage', now what do the other two gain? Swain - Constant area damage, healing, R stays active so he has more skills to use, he can guarantee max damage Q from up close and can also guarantee roots (and pulls). Cassiopeia - A battlemage that guarantees dot, DPS, healing, and movespeed. Mel doesn't gain even half of what the other two gain. In fact she only gains *one* thing that Swains gains.
Feel like her Kit is insane, powerful, and obnoxious at the same time... Her execute without any stacking is kinda too much.. she just procs her skills and denies them with her Ulti.
People were tweaking about her W but honestly the execute seems like the most problematic thing about her kit. Honestly, I could see changes to her Q and nerfs to the execute.
Then again I'm no expert.
i agree especially it working on minions will def be removed its unbalanced
i feel like her q range is wayyy to large for how much pressure it applies, plus her w cd can get pretty short late game with cdr.her execute is def too strong too
She does not have an execute actually
"Then again I'm no expert."
Don't worry, neither are the Riot balance team at their own job. KEKW
@@jacoblehrer4198 No, she does?? What are you talking about?
I feel like soraka is such a huge Mel counter. Kept her team out of execute range so much that it was hard for u to fight.
plus silence to prevent reflect
@ plus da global heal to counter mid lane as well
i was about to comment the same thing but found this. so yeah soraka is probably a good counter for this monster of a champion.
Methuselah
Fast kill on Eve at 18:15 had me thinking, "Doyouunderstandwhathappened?
The execute part is the most demonic and unbalanced thing about her kit tbh
The numbers on it are ass though
@Keurgui1 what numbers? Doens't the execute stay the same?
just have a healer on your team ig
@@dibel3669 for mid late okay, but laning phase should be hard against her, i saw some videos and it looks pretty annoying having a level 1 execute
@rafinha4821 It's not a normal execute Mel stores damage on enemies that doesn't activate until they're in the threshold and has 0 %health scaling so MR and HP reduce it's effectiveness.
This reminds me of aurora when she was first released when she had so much dmg on ult and would get pentas just from ult alone
12:46 Did you understand what happened?
I mean people are fine with her kit because its genuinely so cool. We all wanted the reflect at some point. Only the execute can be a bit of a problem but its still pretty balanceable
Def the execution seems to be the issue. Idgaf if I lane against someone that reflects my abilities, I will just have to try to bait the reflect or be careful when I cast my abilities, just like with morgana black shield.
Does liandry proc Mel's execution ?
can some1 tell me the game that has the soundtrack he used in 11:48 ? it sounds painfully nostalgic
maplestory - leafre theme
are the spells reflected by her W a guaranteed hit to the caster? I'm thinking if she reflects Lux's Q, will you be able to dodge that?
I think so
If it’s targeted it’s guaranteed. Skills shot are reflected back in the direction of the caster but dodgeable
15:21 can we get that sound effect? 🙏
her range and that execute is doing the majority of the work for her kit and probably as of rn with what im seeing is what needs to be tuned down
How low can her R cd get with the new axiom arcanist rune and malignance and ultimate hunter
I don't think Axiom Arcanist would do as much in Malignance + Ultimate Hunter combo since it reduces current CD time, so Malignance and UH lowering base CD makes 7% CD refund on Axiom Arcanist cut less CD
@ can’t you use all 3 together?
@@chendrix-materialdesigner of course you can use all 3, but you're losing on other stuff in terms of runes and items, that could easily be in the spot of one of these things.
Currently max rank Mel R has 80s of CD, which is already low tbh. If we only account Axiom Arcanist and let's say she kills 3 people with it, she gets almost 16 seconds of ult CD reduction.
Now with fully stacked Ultimate Hunter and Malignance, she has base 48.1s of CD, with same triple kill you end up with around 9.4 of refunded CD.
That being said, in my book her R more like an extension to her execute from passive or at least to put them low enough that your allies can finish them in one hit.
In the end, I'd say that if you really want to, you can go Axiom Arcanist + Ultimate Hunter, but any other mana item will perform and offer you better stuff than Malignance ever will.
@ but malignance still provides 85AP, 15 haste, 600 mana, and provides a burning zone on anyone hit by her ult. It’s not *just* useful for ultimate haste.
That's the problem. Passive effect comes only when you cast ult, and it's not even good one, doing laughable damage and 99% the time people can just walk out of it. Stats are also nothing good in comparison to other options, so this item is currently good only on maybe 3 mages that are really reliant on their ults or they interact with its passive in a good way. Other 3 Lost Chapter items offer better stats and passive effects in general
does anyone know what to do to get mel?
can't wait to play with Mel on Wild Rift
I hope she comes soon
YAYY!!! YOZU DID BOTLANE MEL
Could Rylai be good on her? Like with Cassiopeia even though most of their spells already cc or slow?
The reason cass and swain use it. Because they can actually use the health and do constant damage to perma apply it.
Mel is a artillery mage and not a burn damage. You want at best max health damage or just burst that's it.
While Mel is definitely good for extended fights, she is an Artillery Mage and not a front-liner like Cass nor Swain.
@@flashfire1259 - Also the fact they really love it for their respective jobs. Swain has to slow so he can maintain people inside his ult - otherwise he loses a lot of value. Also pretty much guarantees his E;
And Cassiopeia HAS to hit her Q else she does no damage, so slow pretty much never lets her miss.
Both apply it absurdly well and it also has immense value for both - adding to what you already said.
@@nathanmello4407 So the same reasoning should apply to Mel too. She has no damage unless she hits Q, or a very slow moving E.
Having Rylai's on Mel Q means they stay in Q longer, which also leads to E landing more.
@@cat-vv9xb - The value doesn't justify itself. Cassiopeia's whole kit revolves around her hitting poison or she can't fight, and Swain needs to stick - this happens because they are battle mages, and it's the same reason they don't need that much ap but need health.
Mel doesn't have a good enough trade-off from Rilay's to justify building it because she isn't a battlemage so building hp is a waste, which makes her lose ap - and the only thing she gets is damage, despite most likely playing at max range (where enemies will get out of your Q slowed or not, anyways). It's not good enough.
Mel gains 'guaranteed damage', now what do the other two gain?
Swain - Constant area damage, healing, R stays active so he has more skills to use, he can guarantee max damage Q from up close and can also guarantee roots (and pulls).
Cassiopeia - A battlemage that guarantees dot, DPS, healing, and movespeed.
Mel doesn't gain even half of what the other two gain. In fact she only gains *one* thing that Swains gains.
when will she be added to the game
2 weeks is the pbe period
can you reflect kartus ult?
no, but you can take no dmg from it
you are eating all the turrret shots leave some for the rest of us :C
Maybe we'll all be Mel's, she might make me a mid main again
I am so happy for another Artillery Mage. I am just not good with fast-paced champions and I prefer skillshots so I am so happy with Mel.
her q is literally mf e when ap mf was a thing
Once again I feel weird being this early… im sorry I guess
i feel like lich bane 2nd would be broken on her
She looks like a much easier zigs, guess it attract fans of arcane to league.
Idk the name in English of the item.. lyche? Liche? The ap one that empowers your next basic attack after an ability, is it good on her?
Lich bane
@dominicpizano887 yeah lich bane, I saw yozu built it and it makes sense but is it really that good? It reminds me of seraphine passive with lich bane
@@Naxo4402 I don’t know I havent really played much in the last year just wanted to help you out
her ability range seems a little high for that
Ok hear me out, Mel supp tank W max with cdr build
I feel like vs Evelynn you could be able to charm her if you reflect her W rather than reflect her other abilities after you got the heart
I don't think so. The charm is a debuff that triggers with an attack. Mel W specifically reflects projectiles, and Evelyn W is just not that
@RafaelGarcia022 Yeah ig it can't be blocked by windwall too
Really need to see a Mel v Ahri matchup, getting hit by your own charm sounds devious
Feel like her Kit is insane, powerful, and obnoxious at the same time... Her execute without any stacking is kinda too much.. she just procs her skills and denies them with her Ulti.
Wait you have early access to Mel?!!
Honey it's PBE...
league is getting all them games Luke PING PONG?? REALLY UFF
:O
mel is ehh
I wonder how DH is on her