Riveting for ships allows for faster building. Once the pieces are lined up you can have several people rivet it together. While a weld takes far longer and requires more skill. It’s also allows for the basic structure of a ship to be built and loosely bolted together rivets connecting interior pieces while welders can focus on the hull of the ship. This makes it possible for other things to take shape like the electrical lines, plumbing and other components. America was able to build hundreds of ships in the same time that it takes us to build one aircraft carrier today. Obviously they are far more complicated and sophisticated today. But it is interesting to think of the advantage of the speed that you can build ships when the parts are bolted and riveted vs welded.
Interestingly enough, the Missouri and Wisconsin had fewer rivets and more welds than Iowa and New Jersey as they were started later and construction was sped up. Illinois and Kentucky were to be all welded hulls.
Most rivets on aircraft are solid not pop rivets. Rosie the riveter is holding an air operated rivet gun and is a skilled riveter with a delicate touch as she is normally work with aluminium. A pop rivet gun is totally different it has pin that pulls through the rivet to expand it and then it breaks off (pops). Alloy cars are often glued and riveted together, the rivets hold the panels in place while the glue sets and also adds strength. It has huge strength, another advantage are all the seams are fully sealed with the glue, less chance for corrosion to get in.
Saved me the effort of correcting the misspeak on the video. Solid rivets, not pop. And solid rivets are STILL cutting edge technology in aviation. Rivets allow the preservation of the base material's strength by providing residual compressive stress that prevents crack initiation, and also since it's not a hot process, you have no cooling shrinkage (residual TENSILE stress-- very bad) and metallurgical conversion from the change from molten back to solid. Millions of solid rivets are used every day in the production of a modern jetliner.
Correction: Rosie was *not* using Pop-style (blind) rivets. Rosie was using regular solid rivets. It just that instead of being a hot-swage process like the ships used, it was a cold-swage process. The resulting cold work of (usually aluminum) rivets actually made them harder and stronger and more resistant to fatigue than a unformed rivet or even the parent sheet material would be.
Uhhhh, aircraft are *not* riveted together with pop rivets. There are some applications for blind rivets (more or less pop rivets) on aircraft, but the overwhelming majority of rivets on aircraft are solid rivets. I guarantee you that the rivets Rosie the Riveter was setting in WWII planes were solid rivets, pretty much the same as ships rivets, except they're made of aluminum, not steel, and they don't need to be heated. But the are set the same way, by upsetting with an air hammer.
don't forget Explosive rivets.....they were used where you could not buck....Cherry was the [POP] rivet for aircraft, much more substantial than a POP rivet...and more expensive, Cheers....
@@BattleshipNewJersey Thank You....as a weldor, I have great respect for the weldors of WWII. Thank You for preserving a great ship. A friend of mine a forward artillery observer with the 101st Airborne called in Fire during Vietnam from the New Jersey, he said it was more accurate than their land based artillery, he said it was very impressive to see. All the best to you and the Staff in the coming year. Paul in Orlando
Riveting for ships allows for faster building. Once the pieces are lined up you can have several people rivet it together. While a weld takes far longer and requires more skill. It’s also allows for the basic structure of a ship to be built and loosely bolted together rivets connecting interior pieces while welders can focus on the hull of the ship. This makes it possible for other things to take shape like the electrical lines, plumbing and other components. America was able to build hundreds of ships in the same time that it takes us to build one aircraft carrier today. Obviously they are far more complicated and sophisticated today. But it is interesting to think of the advantage of the speed that you can build ships when the parts are bolted and riveted vs welded.
Interestingly enough, the Missouri and Wisconsin had fewer rivets and more welds than Iowa and New Jersey as they were started later and construction was sped up. Illinois and Kentucky were to be all welded hulls.
Most rivets on aircraft are solid not pop rivets. Rosie the riveter is holding an air operated rivet gun and is a skilled riveter with a delicate touch as she is normally work with aluminium. A pop rivet gun is totally different it has pin that pulls through the rivet to expand it and then it breaks off (pops). Alloy cars are often glued and riveted together, the rivets hold the panels in place while the glue sets and also adds strength. It has huge strength, another advantage are all the seams are fully sealed with the glue, less chance for corrosion to get in.
Saved me the effort of correcting the misspeak on the video. Solid rivets, not pop. And solid rivets are STILL cutting edge technology in aviation. Rivets allow the preservation of the base material's strength by providing residual compressive stress that prevents crack initiation, and also since it's not a hot process, you have no cooling shrinkage (residual TENSILE stress-- very bad) and metallurgical conversion from the change from molten back to solid.
Millions of solid rivets are used every day in the production of a modern jetliner.
Pop rivets don't hold , I bucked and popped 10s of thousands
We really need to get these ships repaired!
Correction: Rosie was *not* using Pop-style (blind) rivets. Rosie was using regular solid rivets. It just that instead of being a hot-swage process like the ships used, it was a cold-swage process. The resulting cold work of (usually aluminum) rivets actually made them harder and stronger and more resistant to fatigue than a unformed rivet or even the parent sheet material would be.
U mean buck rivets?
Uhhhh, aircraft are *not* riveted together with pop rivets. There are some applications for blind rivets (more or less pop rivets) on aircraft, but the overwhelming majority of rivets on aircraft are solid rivets. I guarantee you that the rivets Rosie the Riveter was setting in WWII planes were solid rivets, pretty much the same as ships rivets, except they're made of aluminum, not steel, and they don't need to be heated. But the are set the same way, by upsetting with an air hammer.
don't forget Explosive rivets.....they were used where you could not buck....Cherry was the [POP] rivet for aircraft, much more substantial
than a POP rivet...and more expensive, Cheers....
Yes Andrew that is correct!
Don't forget Wendy the Weldor......She was the shipbuilding hero....
Meet one of those wonderful women here:
ruclips.net/video/Fx4wozBdsvE/видео.html
@@BattleshipNewJersey Thank You....as a weldor, I have great respect for the weldors of WWII. Thank You for preserving a great ship. A friend of mine a forward artillery observer with the 101st Airborne called in Fire during Vietnam from the New Jersey, he said it was more accurate than their land based artillery, he said it was very impressive to see. All the best to you and the Staff in the coming year. Paul in Orlando
Were the green racks in the background used to hold oxy/acetylene tanks for welding?
We believe it to be O2
Bracketing and riveting and grooving attaching is best then cover both side with plastic shield or insulation
at 2:29 is that a Sikorsky S-61 aka Seaking you are standing next to?
That is a Seasprite helicopter.
Welding is breaking point by temperature weapon or electro static or vibration beside metal of big body is over ...sorry Mr Smith and mr Carnegie
Dodgy eyes
Women were smarter