How to Build a Custom Fence Gate | Ask This Old House
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- Опубликовано: 12 дек 2024
- In this video, Ask This Old House carpenter Nathan Gilbert helps a homeowner build a custom fence gate to keep his kids safely in the backyard.
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Nathan Gilbert helps a homeowner install a custom fence gate. The house is home to two young children and the parents are worried they might run into the street. While the homeowners could buy a gate from a home center, the backyard has a wood fence with horizontal paneling. So, Nathan creates a custom wood gate with horizontal paneling to match the rest of the fence.
To secure the post he uses a special two component, expanding foam. Nathan joins Kevin in the workshop to talk more about the special post mix.
Time: 4 hours
Cost: $400
Skill Level: Moderate
Tools:
Level [amzn.to/2RJUGoY]
Drill [amzn.to/3niPYul]
Post hole digger [amzn.to/3vaQRb4]
Brad nailer [amzn.to/3dF3yVD]
Tape measure [amzn.to/3elTmjH]
Compound miter saw [amzn.to/3tE3ESF]
Shopping List:
Stock pressure treated lumber [thd.co/2QJKCvI]
String [amzn.to/3gsgznh]
Expanding foam fence post mix [amzn.to/3vdkJU9]
Gate lock [amzn.to/3grhBjl]
Hinges [amzn.to/3tHZXvA]
Steps:
1. Mount two 2x4” boards on either side of where the gate is going.
2. Dig about 2 feet down for each of the two posts. About a third of the post will fit in the hole.
3. Use a string line going from one 2x4” to the other. This will be used to cut the posts to the same height.
4. Attach a piece of strapping to each 2x4” so the posts won’t tilt.
5. Screw the posts to the strapping.
6. Roll the bag of expanding foam fence post mix. Burst the seal and miix the two components together for 15 seconds.
7. Pour into the post holes. It cures in three minutes so there’s no need to hold work.
8. Mount the hinge to a post. Use a ¾” spacer to keep it even with the post.
9. Attach gate door frames. Nathan made the frames with 2x4” boards and butt joints.
10. Add 1x4” boards to cap the top.
11. Nathan used 1x4” and 1x8” boards to create the horizontal panels on the gate. Note: you could do a sporadic layout, every other, or all the same. Make sure the pieces stay consistent across both sides of the gate to give it a more polished look.
12. Install a lock.
13. Paint it or leave it plain and let the pressure treated wood age.
Where to find it?
Nathan custom built the gate using all stock pressure treated lumber, including 4x4” posts, 1x4” boards for the panels, and 2x4” boards for the frames of the gates. All of this material can be found at home centers and lumber yards.
For the hardware, Nathan used a Black Slide Bolt [amzn.to/3grhBjl] for the lock and Black Heavy Duty Tee Hinges [amzn.to/3tHZXvA], which are both manufactured by Everbilt [thd.co/3v6SZAh].
To cut the boards, Nathan used a sliding compound miter saw [amzn.to/3tE3ESF], which is manufactured by Dewalt [www.dewalt.com/]. To secure the boards to the fence, Nathan used a siding nailer [amzn.to/3dF3yVD], which is manufactured by Bostitch [www.bostitch.com/].
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We use that concrete for years putting in big satellite dishes. It's been around quite a while. The one thing I found and I think if they cut open the bucket where they poured the test in is that the water doesn't always get all the way to the bottom. We found it it gets about a third of the way down which gives the appearance of a solid set. But it's not the bottom is still dry mix. As time goes on groundwater seems to set the bottom two-thirds of it because I've gone back after about a month and it's been solve it all the way down. What we started doing was to put it in just like they did only after we dump the water in will it take a stick of rebar and work it down into the concrete so that we created penetration holes down a foot or two. We would punch about six of those holes so that the water could penetrate much further and faster. Prior to doing that we found it we would have to leave the pole set for at least a week before we could put the big dish on it but once we started doing that within two hours we would have a solid set Pole
That was basically my concern with pockets of dry mix.. but ground moisture would resolve it over time but still not sure would do it for anything other then fence post etc.. I assume it costs more also
One way to find out, just build an acrylic box as a "hole" and see what's really going on.
Easy way is pour water in first,thn slowly pour dry into it.
This self-mixes.
@@2chipped and leaves dry powder floating on top, like dumping starch or instant cocoa into a cup of water. I don't have the experience that Jim does, but I'd suggest doing it in layers, pour in a couple inches of powder, add some water, give it a minute, add some more powder, and more water, and repeat til you get your fill.
Or just mix it in the hole with a rebar. Just cause it says "no mix" doesn't mean you can't mix it, and the fast-setting is what you're going for anyway.
@@Tratios the foam is more costly 13 bucks a bag for foam and around 6 bucks a bag for a sack of the no mix concrete they used here.
Did my fence posts with the no mix concrete. That stuff is legit. I highly recommend.
Yeah good stuff, but not new le thru said
my grandad has always advocated just throwing dry mix into the hole and letting the ground do the work. I was a child when I saw that foam stuff on some show like modern marvels. Its cool to see it available on the market so many years later.
Horizontals on a kid fence are perfect ladder rungs, verticals are the way to go in my opinion.
😂 You're so right. At 3 yes old we got a house with a backyard and 5' chain link fence. Mom was so happy I had a safe backyard to play in, until 5 minutes after she set me out with my toys and ran in to do dishes, I showed up at the front door with the neighbor kid to invite her back to there house for coffee. She tied bells to my shoes later that afternoon. Kids will climb everything given a tie hold
Having used both the foam and the fast setting concrete quite a bit, I definitely prefer the concrete.
What's the name and model of the fast setting concrete ?
"Here, I have all the materials we need for the job."
"What's that paperwork on top?"
"That's the loan application from the bank to pay for the lumber."
I like how the pressure treated sawdust is blowing everywhere and everyone looks so happy breathing it in!
It's a secret of healthy living that allows you to live longer. Almost as good as MDF sawdust.
They don’t use harmful chemicals like they used to
@@smallengine lol it's still not great to breathe in.. just because they don't use creosote anymore doesn't mean there aren't other fun chemicals
@@chrisburns5691 yeah
that expanding foam is brand new to me. Don't think I'd trust it in any load application but for most posts looks super handy
The foam is useless. It is very tight connection as first but it shrinks fast and becomes loose with in hours. Used it on a small gatepost and had to use concrete to fix it, it was a nightmare. Great idea still
It’s also WAY more expensive than a bag of concrete
@@TJO1733 that sucks that you had that experience. I used it to set my mailbox 2.5 years ago and it’s still doing great.
yea, definitely wouldntdepend on it but looks handy
Looks like pallets but cost real money...
The camera work on this episode is top notch. Well done.
WGBH-TV did transfer their co-production of this venture over up WETA-TV a few years ago.
No diagonal brace or cable in the gate frame to prevent sagging?
Well, thats a really small gate
@@TJO1733 As well as it’s attached to the wall. No load bearing other than the wood itself.
I was going to say the same thing, this channel should really try to promote best practices.
@@TJO1733 it’ll still sag over time and close in at the top most likely.
the foam looks pretty alright if you're not worried about it supporting anything of substance. I'd still rather have the concrete for things like a deck though.
Probably fine for that gate. I used that same foam for my mailbox and it hasn’t budged at all in 4 years.
I have used the concrete it works great
What's the name and model of the fast setting concrete ?
@@Videpedia don't remember the model but it is in a red bag made by sakriet it's says it's for posts and I got it at Lowes
It was nice of Nathan to let the homeowner use the nail gun to make him have a sense of pride in the job
Without a stop on one of the gates you and I know that gate will open with that style latch.
The foam, concrete will work if u follow the instructions that is 50%.
The other 50% is the ground, earth, soil, sand has to be strongly compacted around the concrete, foam if that is not case the post will be lose and light wind will shake it and fence will be more saggy.
Always the ground, soil, sand, earth has to be compact strongly if not no matters what u put inside the whole will not stand up correctly.
That gate costs more than the home with the current price of lumber.
Because the US is importing wood from all over the world 🤮 In Germany prices are up 20-30% because of the US with delivery times of up to three months ... Germany is already discussing an export stop.
@Frank Silvers Because of the recent forest fires and a trade dispute with Canada.
@@julianreverse I bet the wood is from Canada, which is where most of our building lumber comes from.
@@mtadams2009 You lost.
@Frank Silvers Read the news ...
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned on the comments that that gate is going to be sagging two months after installed. Without the diagonal board going from the bottom hinge to the opposite top corner that gate is doomed to fail.
I thought the same. Although it's certainly a small gate so perhaps that isn't as much of an issue.
It is with butt joints and no corner supports. Even adding just a couple of L brackets would have been better. That plus the foam, that gates not gonna last. I miss Bob.
It will fall over before that time. The foam had zero weight...
I know! Usually you get more sound advice from TOH! His comment that’s”it’ll last a lifetime” is sort of laughable when considering the materials, the corner joints and lack of at least that diagonal! Kind of surprised.
0:25 they walked out of the shot just to walk back into the exact same shot?? Ok lmao
I see some serious pinch/crush points.
24" is deep enough for frost? seems a little shallow.
I am not sure I trust the no mix concrete.. I just picture pockets of dry mix in that footing.
Love the videos, don't need the music and slow-mo.
Who asked you?
But is the foam environnementally friendly ? I doubt it !
Hello I want to start a carrier as a handyman. I want to get some experience before I apply for jobs because everybody wants experienced workers. How can I do this? Should I go to school? If yes, do you know any school in Miami, if not anywhere in the US? Thx
Can someone just push gate open.
That lock will not hold the doors together.
Single door would of been better.
Especially with kids .
Horizontal boards make a great ladder for kids.
Good job
The pole with concrete was already set up it didn't move when he moved it
But what happens if the post goes out of plume while that thing is getting hard
Can we cut the foam excess with a saw?
Yes
Where is Tommy Silva!!!
he nails in 2 on the left before making sure the right is true....
Where's Tom Silva?
What is the price of each of those products your used in your demo?
Based on "home center" prices:
$12.70 for the foam bag
$5.67 for a single 50lb bag of concrete
You may need multiple bags of concrete though depending on the job.
But if you have multiple posts to put in and can set it in 3 minutes vs 30 minutes, the job can take less time and it might be worth it as you might only save $2-$3 per post depending on the hole size.
For example, lets say you have 10 posts and need 10 bags of foam. You could finish setting the posts in 35-40 minutes. Using concrete, you're looking at 2+ hours of hauling the bags, opening them, waiting for things to settle, having to get water, refill buckets, and waiting for things to settle.
If you're paying someone to do it for you, that's $127 in materials in foam and lets say $50 in labor for $177.
The same for concrete could be $85.05 in materials, but $100 in labor or $185.05 total.
@@nramos33 Thank you kindly
I loved when he totally missed the 4x4 when he was nailing the top 1x4 to the post!! Lol
What was that weird slow motion blurry bostitch commercial in the middle there?
exactly!
2/ I have seen the expand foam used in a hole for a metal post for a mailbox about 4 years ago.
I wonder how much money the show gets for the product placement of the post foam?
For a better more structurally sound video, also fro TOH, here’s one with Tommy Silva. It’s not exactly the same but it better addressed the sagging issues inherent to gates. ruclips.net/video/GnfTB9Fszww/видео.html
Half this video is an ad for foam
"Fast setting concrete don't even need to mix". I've built fences and have seen many built. We've haven't been mixing regular since day one. Just pour half in the hole, put water, pour the other half, pour more water, move on. Save 2-3 buck a bag over this fast setting crap. And enjoy paying an extra 8 bucks a hole for the foam garbage. And last time I checked, chemical foam leaching into your top soil isn't that great.
The foam is great for fencing but it is absolutely garbage for any kind of loads like a gate. I used it for a very simple thin gauge, tubular cattle gate and it started sagging pretty fast. Would not recommend it.
We want Tom!!! This guy doesn't have the Boston accent he doesn't belong
the new guy
That's how you ruin a nice tabletop.
Any concrete will work...
todays lumber prices that gate cost 250 k lol
1” screws for a gate hinge?…..????😂
What trash can would fit through half that gate? That gate width is more annoying than helpful.
Change your director. A lot of that b-roll is just fluff. All that slow motion stuff and beauty shots just turn me off. Who is your audience?! Certainly not people who watch these.
I liked it :)
Last a life time...LMAO
Congratulations your post will lost 10 years and not 20.
You don’t need concrete. Just dig hole 3 -3 1/2 feet deep send some gravel down level your 5x5 post and pack it with crush stone and dirt. Works like a charm
The foam has virtually no weight. I'd rather have heavy concrete holding down a post
2 feet down? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 I wish. I live in Canada. Minimum 4 feet not including the gravel at the bottom. And that foam won't last. TRUST ME.
Dude this video quality is really getting high this comparing video to a few years back video you not like the difference between heaven and earth
I'm gonna stop watching as soon as the old cast is completely gone
Which "old cast?" Bob Villa vintage or more recent?
Concrete is totally recyclable, foam another harmful product in the environment, yes Concrete has its own issues but it can be reused.
The heavy nature of Concrete also works as a counter balance, I'm all for an easy life but foam no way in this application.
@Frank Silvers in what way?
I don't like the foam. In the future, the fence will come down and the foam will live forever doing nothing good. On the other hand, the concrete can be recycled and used in a gravel path. It was a pretty video, but as most others, I saw too many problems with the build. TOH has done better so for now, I'll keep watching.
this old snake medicine
I don’t trust this new guy Nathan
Only the top 1% can afford to buy lumber and build a gate.
The foam is "supposed to be as strong as concrete".... Aren't you the professionals who are supposed to know if it is or isn't?.... Search RUclips or online and you'll see tons of evidence, especially from professional fence installers proving this foam is not a good alternative, especially for a gate post which sees a lot more stress than a line post. How much did they pay to showcase their product?
One of the WORST Ask This Old House videos EVER! But,.. bare in mind, this is one of their apprentices.