@@thod-thod Astral Arms doesn't really fix anything though. You still need a 13 in 4 abilities and want a decent Con. Either way, I'm sure we'll see something extremely weird and interesting
Tbh, if you do 2 levels of paladin and maybe like 5 levels of monk, it ain't that bad (though it's not great still). Specific features and lineages could be used to mitigate the bad. Just thinking about it now, I'd probably do the following and still "feel good": Lineage: Lizardfolk (Monsters of the Multiverse) Class: Monk (1), Paladin (2-3) = Level 3 Str: 13, Dex: 15+1, Con: 11+1, Int: 8, Wiz: 13+1, Cha: 13 (Point buy - think I did the math right) Why Lizardfolk? Well first, your AC is bad if you don't grab natural armor. Martial arts as a monk requires no armor. Base AC after Dex with the Lizard is 13+Dex (16). Additionally, your unarmed strikes become a d6 because of Bite (which will give you an "edge" in the early game). I know Tortle exists but if you keep ASI'ing Dex you'll have a higher base AC before any Tortle features. Why go more Monk than Paladin? Stunning strike and ki points. Tbh, I'd save those 2 smites from Paladin 2 on crits and just never use spells unless I know we aren't doing combat that session. Also, some fun synergy can happen depending on your subclass (i.e., Ascendant Dragon lets you change the damage type of all your bite attacks, Drunken Master gives you a hit and run option with Drunken Technique). If your DM allows, you could even grab Tasha's Dedicated Weapon at Monk 2 and use a longsword--or some other versatile weapon--to do a d10 damage for your monk weapon. Paladin 2 also gives you a fighting style, grabbing Great Weapon Fighting could be nice (or Dueling if you just want single-handed attacks and not using versatile). Paladin gives you proficiency in martial weapons, might as well make them monk weapons with this feature. I think my only question would be: when is it worth to grab those two levels of paladin? Or is it worth just doing 1 or 2 levels of Monk and the move being the rest of paladin? Like this doesn't seem worth it in the longterm if we did the math and calculated damage per turn.
It would require working with a dm but I love the idea of an armorer artificer that takes woodcarving toll proficiency and makes a suit of enchanted wooden armor so that they can multiclass with druid without issue. To be fair, if a dm lets you do this they’d probably also let you ignore the druid’s no metal rule that a lot of dm’s seem to ignore, but either way carving a magical suit of wooden armor is incredible flavor for an artificer druid.
According to Sage Advice, Druids can wear metal armor, they just choose not to due to philosophy reasons. It also says talk with your DM to see if your druid wearing armor would be a break in their world creation. That being said, a moon druid bear wearing plate armor would be doable as well as awesome, since Armorer says that the armor expands to cover your entire body
The Druid's lack of metal armor is the only place in the whole game that a character option confers a specific disadvantage. Interestingly One DnD reduces Druids back to Light Armor (like they were back in Eldritch Wizardry), and the no metal thing never gets mentioned. The best understanding of the current multiclass rule in my view is that Druids have Proficiency in Medium Armor but restricted to non-metal types. Multiclassed Druids then cannot wear metal armor using their Druid-derived Medium Armor proficiency, but can if they have Medium or Heavy armor proficiency from another class.
I really liked the pace of this video, and how you took your time explaining your thought process and how the build comes together. Great work as always, and would love more of these slightly longer videos
Tortle or loxodon are basically a necessity to make this function really well letting you dump dexterity and focus full on into intelligence, wisdom, and constitution. With a tortle using a shield with enhanced defense you get a 20 AC on a druid, and artificer gives you access to the most used defensive spell in the game the shield spell giving you another 5 AC. This will make you very hard to hit compared to other druids.
I would love to see a merchant character, selling goods that they made, themselves. They create scrolls, potions, and other medicinal needs, and can use them supremely well.
Another thing you could do is mix the artillerist with the moon druid to make your wild shapes last longer with temporary HP, or to provide more damage. Imagine turning into a spider climbing onto the roof and letting your cannon do all the work for you. I'd say its a match made in heaven.
You’re kinda just taking shepherd for unicorn totem if you’re dead set against using the conjure spells… I think Stars Druid, moon Druid or wildfire Druid might give you more. Plus stars & wild fire have some healing options too. Also why we doing dex if we’re a tortle?
Thematically combining druid and artificer, may require some work, but you will be rewarded with great fun if you go through with it. e.g. Alchemist + Wild Fire arsonist: "Fire and renewal are all part of natures cycle. Some times that cycle just takes too long to turn and that is where I come in." Mechanically, there is the MAD challenge, but there are also some great synergies. Druids with their wild shape, are great infiltrators, but beyond scouting there's only so much they can do. Add tool proficiencies and mechanical know-how and infusions of an artificer and mischief you can get up to inside enemy stronghold suddenly expands considerable. For artificer a multi-class with any full spell caster is a boon in amount of spell slots and versatility of those spells. Also abilities of some of the druid sub-classes, can offer interesting themes and mechanics to explore. Alchemist + Moon Druid = Bear with combat drugs. Battle smith + Moon Druid = Two bears. Armorer (stealth mode) + any druid = Mission impossible with squirrels.
The Beast Wars Transformer: Armorer artificer (3+) + Moon druid (x) + heavy armor master feat, autognome or warforged as species is optional. When you bonus action wildshape, you can have your armor drop to the ground, and then re-don the armor as an action [or do all of this before combat]. The armor "expands to cover your entire body". Heavy armor proficiency transfers over to wildshape "You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so." If you want to further boost ac, fighter 1 + forge cleric 1 both give you +1. If warforged with full plate + shield, defense fighting style, enhanced armor infusion and blessing of the forge, you could have a passive ac of 24. Maybe take defensive duelist, war magic wizard 2, or the shield spell for a reaction ac boost for hits that get through. When you get the elemental wildshape feature, you basically become one of the Elemental Myrmidons, so genasi could be a thematic species as well
I found this video because I’m playing a Druid and am gonna multiclass with artificer next level. The world we’re playing in has a lot of flavour that will make this combination very fun. Am currently working on potions with my herbalism proficiency and this world has a very cool magic system so it’s very possible to bridge her knowledge of potions with the alchemy proficiency of the artificer. The dm thinks its fun and i hope i can kinda have my druid become more and more chaotic, eventually starting to make basically bombs and then have the animals deploy said bombs:) i think its gonna work out great
I won't take alchemist slander. Here's a build for the alchemist/spores druid build. 5 levels of alchemist for alchemical savant. This adds intelligence to our healing and damage for artificer. Spores gives us more tankiness and a good bit of flavor. This build makes you last longer in combat & get more resources for more heals and damage. What lineage? Go nuts. I recommend Hexblood for more witchy flavor.
I did an artificer druid build based on zyra in league of legends although I went 15 artificer for double cannons and only took 5 levels in druid for cc since until 15 you can only have one cannon at a time. I flavored the cannons as her plant turrets in game. I also hate the conjure spells and don't use it at my table because it bogs down combat. You didn't mention the knock back effect of the cannon being great for utilizing spells that do damage when they enter an area like wall of fire and knocking them into it with cannon as well.
I agree with Artillerist, but I wonder about Wildfire Druid. Fire/Healing fits really well with both subclasses. It's a shame that the Wildfire abilities affect only cast spells, which the cannon isn't.
To be fair to Alchemist, I have done an Alchemist build that does dip into Stars Druid and Life Cleric; heals around 17 HP minimum with a 1st level Healing Word, and can spread that around a couple of targets if necessary. Not a flawless build, not necessarily worth it, but it’s effective at something at least.
I think this is the "obvious" multiclass choice for these two classes, especially as the Stars options can lean into support or blaster mechanics, much like Arti
Yeah, the protector cannon is pretty awesome. I have to disagree with you about conjure animals. The problem with that spell's use is the more numerous options. If you keep it reasonable, only two or three max, it can be super useful while not overpowering. The problem with the summon spells is that there's only one creature. With conjure animals, you could have waves of 2 or 3 beasts attacking at one time while the others watch. Dog piling is why those spells suck. As Aristotle once said, "everything in moderation ".
All in all it's a pretty great build. Druid Tortles are always awesome. Lol And just so you know if we play this we are definitely making the 8 dudes. 😂🤣
Hey! I didn't get to vote so here's my 2 cents... unless this is already one of the 4 you mentioned at the beginning of the video... The Barbarian/Sorcerer... Rage and Metamagic cannot function at the same time, can they?
Unfortunately, because of the way Artillerist works, not investing in your Int severely limits it’s use of 2 of its 3 cannons. Even going mostly Druid, I’d still suggest prioritizing Int over Wis.
Unfortunately, RAW it says "You can't cast spells, and your ability to speak or take any action that requires hands is limited to the capabilities of your beast form. Transforming doesn't break your concentration on a spell you've already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as Call Lightning, that you've already cast." so I believe RAW you cannot cast spells even with subtle, though that could be a fun DM work around
alchemist 5 and wildfire (min 6) alchemist gives a bonus to acid, FIRE, necrotic, or poison, or HEALING (if using alchemist's tools) wildfire gives a bonus to FIRE or HEALING if wildfire spirit is active, and you cast a spell (no class restriction or item restriction) what does the build accomplish? massive fire spells and healing spells; ac (with studded leather) is 12 + dex (we'll use 3) + infuse it with enhanced defense infusion for +1 and a shield getting 18 ac some people actually respect alchemist
Surprisingly, I don't hate this. I thought I might just because I generally dislike half casters and don't really like the thought of combining nature and tech magic. My only critique would be that, unless your DM gives Summoned creatures hit dice (I do; using the brown bear as a template for a level 3 spell, I give a Summoned Beast 3 hit dice +1 per spell level over 2, for example), you're losing out on literally the biggest subclass feature of the Shepherd, with or without the Protector cannon. It's not that forgoing the spell makes the build ineffective, just less effective. I think maybe Wildfire or Stars druid might also be effective, since each provides leveled spells that require attack rolls. 😈 I'm surprised you didn't mention that Artillerists gain the Shield spell, which can immediately boost the tortle druid's AC to 25. This might also make Warforged an interesting racial choice for this build, though its AC wouldn't be quite as good. 😉
It really seems like you're shooting your build in the foot by taking an artificer subclass that buffs mass groups of creatures, and also a druid subclass that is there to buff mass groups of creatures (and the features of mass creatures from summon spells), -and then condoning the one spell the build was made for. The protector cannon loses a lot of value when there are less eligible creatures in the fray, and I don't think a bonus action burning hands/attack [with an unrelated mental stat] is worth the diversion in levels and stats from druid here.
Using a bunch of low CR creatures is problematic, but use the highest CR choices & it’s more reasonable & manageable. Would still be broken though lol.
Druids aren't proficient in heavy armor. And what about this line at the end of their armor proficiencies: (druids will not wear armor or use shields made of metal)?
Optimally speaking: conjure animals with this build is OP. Fun speaking: conjure animals bogs down the game and is a nightmare for your dm and table, don’t
I know this video isn't for good/bad ideas But I am curious if a Druid/Cleric Multiclass would work (Bonus points if its Nature Domain) If anyone manages to do this please lemme know
It really works if the DM allows the character to wear metal armor! There is a question when you have a character with two prepared spell casting classes that use the same casting ability: do you apply the ability score bonus to spells prepared both classes separately or in combination?
why does everyone only look at base equipment?? there are materials that can be used to make half-plate armor that a druid will use. so why overlook them?
Access to other kinds are left as a big 'maybe' in the rule book, so it could very hard or impossible to find someone to craft something so specific. And it could be immersion breaking for a lot of people. For example: Armor made of stone would be incredibly heavy and brittle, armor made of 'iron wood' would be incredible heavy, a lot bulkier and possibly vulnerable to flame or rot. Bone or bug shell carapace armor seems like it would never have the strength of iron. Etc.
I wrote a Circle of Mushrooms Druid for fun, at least partially with Getafix/Panoramix in mind. Its main ability was making potions. I lifted the Alchemist's ability but required a Herbalism Kit instead. It's a shame the Alchemist sucks so badly; the reality is that it doesn't belong under Artificer at all. No self-respecting Alchemist ever tanked around in Scale Mail!
Really disappointed you just dumped the alchemist subclass in the trash, they are a nice subclass if you give them a chance and the flavour is awesome. Can't be so bad - after all it's still an artificer.
How to run conjure animals on table top: roll all 8d20s (or whatever amount of creatures). The DM tells you what AC you need to beat (no one cares about secret DMs everyone is it out in one round anyways). Subtract the d20s that don't hit. Then use the listed stat AVERAGE damage and multiply by the amount of d20s that hit. This literally takes 30 seconds. Give them a shared health pool and Everytime 1/8th the hp is removed you lose one wolf (assuming you summoned 8 wolves). AoE does the damage of its coverage (fireball hits 4 wolves, you do fire all damage X4 to the shared HP pool).
@@DeadpoolAli One thing a dm could do is have some note cards with the results of a bunch of d20 rolls or a shuffled deck of like 60 cards numbered 1-20, and then just tell the player the number rolled per attack [player adds the beast's modifier]. If there is disadvantage or disadvantage advantage they use 2 rolls from the list, checking the numbers of as they go. If using the card with many results on it, the dm would want a few of these cards to draw from so that pattern repetition is lest likely.
I disagree with your assessment on the Armorer. Rules say, "druids will not wear armor or use shields made of metal," but you can make Plate mail using dragon scale or similar body parts. And, being a Multiclass Artificer should skip that ruling anyway.
Can't wait for the Monk/Paladin build
Yeah, that's going to be hard.
I assume Astral Arms and then it’s fairly easy to
@@thod-thod Astral Arms doesn't really fix anything though. You still need a 13 in 4 abilities and want a decent Con. Either way, I'm sure we'll see something extremely weird and interesting
Tbh, if you do 2 levels of paladin and maybe like 5 levels of monk, it ain't that bad (though it's not great still). Specific features and lineages could be used to mitigate the bad. Just thinking about it now, I'd probably do the following and still "feel good":
Lineage: Lizardfolk (Monsters of the Multiverse)
Class: Monk (1), Paladin (2-3) = Level 3
Str: 13, Dex: 15+1, Con: 11+1, Int: 8, Wiz: 13+1, Cha: 13 (Point buy - think I did the math right)
Why Lizardfolk? Well first, your AC is bad if you don't grab natural armor. Martial arts as a monk requires no armor. Base AC after Dex with the Lizard is 13+Dex (16). Additionally, your unarmed strikes become a d6 because of Bite (which will give you an "edge" in the early game). I know Tortle exists but if you keep ASI'ing Dex you'll have a higher base AC before any Tortle features.
Why go more Monk than Paladin? Stunning strike and ki points. Tbh, I'd save those 2 smites from Paladin 2 on crits and just never use spells unless I know we aren't doing combat that session. Also, some fun synergy can happen depending on your subclass (i.e., Ascendant Dragon lets you change the damage type of all your bite attacks, Drunken Master gives you a hit and run option with Drunken Technique).
If your DM allows, you could even grab Tasha's Dedicated Weapon at Monk 2 and use a longsword--or some other versatile weapon--to do a d10 damage for your monk weapon. Paladin 2 also gives you a fighting style, grabbing Great Weapon Fighting could be nice (or Dueling if you just want single-handed attacks and not using versatile). Paladin gives you proficiency in martial weapons, might as well make them monk weapons with this feature.
I think my only question would be: when is it worth to grab those two levels of paladin? Or is it worth just doing 1 or 2 levels of Monk and the move being the rest of paladin? Like this doesn't seem worth it in the longterm if we did the math and calculated damage per turn.
The most MAD Chad build there is.
It would require working with a dm but I love the idea of an armorer artificer that takes woodcarving toll proficiency and makes a suit of enchanted wooden armor so that they can multiclass with druid without issue. To be fair, if a dm lets you do this they’d probably also let you ignore the druid’s no metal rule that a lot of dm’s seem to ignore, but either way carving a magical suit of wooden armor is incredible flavor for an artificer druid.
Respect for your take on conjure animals
I like this a lizardfolk with crystal tech and a triceratops best of the land just sounds awesome
Ooooo I am so making this my next character
According to Sage Advice, Druids can wear metal armor, they just choose not to due to philosophy reasons. It also says talk with your DM to see if your druid wearing armor would be a break in their world creation. That being said, a moon druid bear wearing plate armor would be doable as well as awesome, since Armorer says that the armor expands to cover your entire body
The Druid's lack of metal armor is the only place in the whole game that a character option confers a specific disadvantage. Interestingly One DnD reduces Druids back to Light Armor (like they were back in Eldritch Wizardry), and the no metal thing never gets mentioned. The best understanding of the current multiclass rule in my view is that Druids have Proficiency in Medium Armor but restricted to non-metal types. Multiclassed Druids then cannot wear metal armor using their Druid-derived Medium Armor proficiency, but can if they have Medium or Heavy armor proficiency from another class.
Cool that you explain your approach to the challenge
I really liked the pace of this video, and how you took your time explaining your thought process and how the build comes together. Great work as always, and would love more of these slightly longer videos
I'm going to guess subclasses: Moon and Armorer
Edit: Damn, missed both
I would consider beast of the air at low levels. It can grapple you and then you're effectively flying.
Tortle or loxodon are basically a necessity to make this function really well letting you dump dexterity and focus full on into intelligence, wisdom, and constitution. With a tortle using a shield with enhanced defense you get a 20 AC on a druid, and artificer gives you access to the most used defensive spell in the game the shield spell giving you another 5 AC. This will make you very hard to hit compared to other druids.
I would love to see a merchant character, selling goods that they made, themselves. They create scrolls, potions, and other medicinal needs, and can use them supremely well.
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Another thing you could do is mix the artillerist with the moon druid to make your wild shapes last longer with temporary HP, or to provide more damage. Imagine turning into a spider climbing onto the roof and letting your cannon do all the work for you. I'd say its a match made in heaven.
First time here, and that was a lot of fun. Can't wait to see more.
Love this series already. Great build
This was fantastic.
Was thinking about the potential of this build but hadn’t considered the Druid subclass yet. Well done.
You’re kinda just taking shepherd for unicorn totem if you’re dead set against using the conjure spells…
I think Stars Druid, moon Druid or wildfire Druid might give you more. Plus stars & wild fire have some healing options too.
Also why we doing dex if we’re a tortle?
Staff-using Artificer; basically D&D Donatello
Thematically combining druid and artificer, may require some work, but you will be rewarded with great fun if you go through with it.
e.g. Alchemist + Wild Fire arsonist: "Fire and renewal are all part of natures cycle. Some times that cycle just takes too long to turn and that is where I come in."
Mechanically, there is the MAD challenge, but there are also some great synergies.
Druids with their wild shape, are great infiltrators, but beyond scouting there's only so much they can do. Add tool proficiencies and mechanical know-how and infusions of an artificer and mischief you can get up to inside enemy stronghold suddenly expands considerable. For artificer a multi-class with any full spell caster is a boon in amount of spell slots and versatility of those spells. Also abilities of some of the druid sub-classes, can offer interesting themes and mechanics to explore.
Alchemist + Moon Druid = Bear with combat drugs.
Battle smith + Moon Druid = Two bears.
Armorer (stealth mode) + any druid = Mission impossible with squirrels.
The Beast Wars Transformer: Armorer artificer (3+) + Moon druid (x) + heavy armor master feat, autognome or warforged as species is optional. When you bonus action wildshape, you can have your armor drop to the ground, and then re-don the armor as an action [or do all of this before combat]. The armor "expands to cover your entire body". Heavy armor proficiency transfers over to wildshape "You retain the benefit of any features from your class, race, or other source and can use them if the new form is physically capable of doing so."
If you want to further boost ac, fighter 1 + forge cleric 1 both give you +1. If warforged with full plate + shield, defense fighting style, enhanced armor infusion and blessing of the forge, you could have a passive ac of 24. Maybe take defensive duelist, war magic wizard 2, or the shield spell for a reaction ac boost for hits that get through.
When you get the elemental wildshape feature, you basically become one of the Elemental Myrmidons, so genasi could be a thematic species as well
Haven't watched the video yet but Tortle artilerist3/ shepard× is in my top3 all time favorite builds, full stop.
Haha OK. Well to be fair I got the build from this channel in the first place
Glad you enjoyed the build! It was so good we had to bring it back for this "making the worst multiclass series"
I found this video because I’m playing a Druid and am gonna multiclass with artificer next level. The world we’re playing in has a lot of flavour that will make this combination very fun. Am currently working on potions with my herbalism proficiency and this world has a very cool magic system so it’s very possible to bridge her knowledge of potions with the alchemy proficiency of the artificer. The dm thinks its fun and i hope i can kinda have my druid become more and more chaotic, eventually starting to make basically bombs and then have the animals deploy said bombs:) i think its gonna work out great
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THE FROG ENTHUSIAST!
I won't take alchemist slander. Here's a build for the alchemist/spores druid build. 5 levels of alchemist for alchemical savant. This adds intelligence to our healing and damage for artificer. Spores gives us more tankiness and a good bit of flavor. This build makes you last longer in combat & get more resources for more heals and damage. What lineage? Go nuts. I recommend Hexblood for more witchy flavor.
Good job bro
I Still love to challenge myself with a 14 (6) / 16 (4) multi-class build (Druid 14) / (Artificer 6) - Shepard / Artillerist - Race (DM pending) Owlin / Harengon / Tortle / Elf (Chill Touch) -
I did an artificer druid build based on zyra in league of legends although I went 15 artificer for double cannons and only took 5 levels in druid for cc since until 15 you can only have one cannon at a time. I flavored the cannons as her plant turrets in game.
I also hate the conjure spells and don't use it at my table because it bogs down combat.
You didn't mention the knock back effect of the cannon being great for utilizing spells that do damage when they enter an area like wall of fire and knocking them into it with cannon as well.
Force canon plus spike growth & thorn whip= shredded enemies
Love this series, even if it's only been the first video 😊
I agree with Artillerist, but I wonder about Wildfire Druid. Fire/Healing fits really well with both subclasses. It's a shame that the Wildfire abilities affect only cast spells, which the cannon isn't.
To be fair to Alchemist, I have done an Alchemist build that does dip into Stars Druid and Life Cleric; heals around 17 HP minimum with a 1st level Healing Word, and can spread that around a couple of targets if necessary. Not a flawless build, not necessarily worth it, but it’s effective at something at least.
I think this is the "obvious" multiclass choice for these two classes, especially as the Stars options can lean into support or blaster mechanics, much like Arti
Yeah, the protector cannon is pretty awesome. I have to disagree with you about conjure animals. The problem with that spell's use is the more numerous options. If you keep it reasonable, only two or three max, it can be super useful while not overpowering. The problem with the summon spells is that there's only one creature. With conjure animals, you could have waves of 2 or 3 beasts attacking at one time while the others watch. Dog piling is why those spells suck. As Aristotle once said, "everything in moderation ".
I think an alchemist/ circle of spores would be fun as a creepy witch type character
I liked the frog flavour from before. I actually played it, too :) fun times
Glad you enjoyed it!
I was wrong. I was thinking moon druid to 10 for elemental form and artillerist for the protector cannon.
All in all it's a pretty great build. Druid Tortles are always awesome. Lol
And just so you know if we play this we are definitely making the 8 dudes. 😂🤣
Hey! I didn't get to vote so here's my 2 cents... unless this is already one of the 4 you mentioned at the beginning of the video... The Barbarian/Sorcerer... Rage and Metamagic cannot function at the same time, can they?
Unfortunately, because of the way Artillerist works, not investing in your Int severely limits it’s use of 2 of its 3 cannons.
Even going mostly Druid, I’d still suggest prioritizing Int over Wis.
A question
If a druid has the metamagic subtle can the druid then cast spell while wild shaped?
Unfortunately, RAW it says "You can't cast spells, and your ability to speak or take any action that requires hands is limited to the capabilities of your beast form. Transforming doesn't break your concentration on a spell you've already cast, however, or prevent you from taking actions that are part of a spell, such as Call Lightning, that you've already cast." so I believe RAW you cannot cast spells even with subtle, though that could be a fun DM work around
alchemist 5 and wildfire (min 6)
alchemist gives a bonus to acid, FIRE, necrotic, or poison, or HEALING (if using alchemist's tools)
wildfire gives a bonus to FIRE or HEALING if wildfire spirit is active, and you cast a spell (no class restriction or item restriction)
what does the build accomplish? massive fire spells and healing spells; ac (with studded leather) is 12 + dex (we'll use 3) + infuse it with enhanced defense infusion for +1 and a shield getting 18 ac
some people actually respect alchemist
Odd Wis: Resilient Wis IMHO
I don't see why a Warforged Druid would be any harder, Warforged are made of wood and stone with metal plates.
Surprisingly, I don't hate this. I thought I might just because I generally dislike half casters and don't really like the thought of combining nature and tech magic.
My only critique would be that, unless your DM gives Summoned creatures hit dice (I do; using the brown bear as a template for a level 3 spell, I give a Summoned Beast 3 hit dice +1 per spell level over 2, for example), you're losing out on literally the biggest subclass feature of the Shepherd, with or without the Protector cannon. It's not that forgoing the spell makes the build ineffective, just less effective. I think maybe Wildfire or Stars druid might also be effective, since each provides leveled spells that require attack rolls. 😈
I'm surprised you didn't mention that Artillerists gain the Shield spell, which can immediately boost the tortle druid's AC to 25. This might also make Warforged an interesting racial choice for this build, though its AC wouldn't be quite as good. 😉
It really seems like you're shooting your build in the foot by taking an artificer subclass that buffs mass groups of creatures, and also a druid subclass that is there to buff mass groups of creatures (and the features of mass creatures from summon spells), -and then condoning the one spell the build was made for.
The protector cannon loses a lot of value when there are less eligible creatures in the fray, and I don't think a bonus action burning hands/attack [with an unrelated mental stat] is worth the diversion in levels and stats from druid here.
Using a bunch of low CR creatures is problematic, but use the highest CR choices & it’s more reasonable & manageable.
Would still be broken though lol.
Druids aren't proficient in heavy armor. And what about this line at the end of their armor proficiencies: (druids will not wear armor or use shields made of metal)?
Optimally speaking: conjure animals with this build is OP.
Fun speaking: conjure animals bogs down the game and is a nightmare for your dm and table, don’t
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I personally think Monk / Paladin is worse.
Druid / Artificer is certainly a terrible mix though
I just had this multiclass as a Totemist
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Artillerist/Shepherd to be precise. He was also a tiefling who thought he's a satyr, one of my favorite characters to build lorewise
His arcane artillery was a Tiny wooden shaman mask like those African ones
It had legs and climbing speed so could hang on his face leaving hands free
I know this video isn't for good/bad ideas
But I am curious if a Druid/Cleric Multiclass would work (Bonus points if its Nature Domain)
If anyone manages to do this please lemme know
It really works if the DM allows the character to wear metal armor! There is a question when you have a character with two prepared spell casting classes that use the same casting ability: do you apply the ability score bonus to spells prepared both classes separately or in combination?
why does everyone only look at base equipment?? there are materials that can be used to make half-plate armor that a druid will use. so why overlook them?
Access to other kinds are left as a big 'maybe' in the rule book, so it could very hard or impossible to find someone to craft something so specific. And it could be immersion breaking for a lot of people. For example: Armor made of stone would be incredibly heavy and brittle, armor made of 'iron wood' would be incredible heavy, a lot bulkier and possibly vulnerable to flame or rot. Bone or bug shell carapace armor seems like it would never have the strength of iron. Etc.
The fact that armor made from dragon hide is defined as Dragon SCALE is limiting. In earlier editions we had druids wearing Dragon PLATE, but no more.
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Asterix and Obelix Druid could be an Alchemist star Druid
With at least a dip into barbarians for both haha. God I love those books!
I wrote a Circle of Mushrooms Druid for fun, at least partially with Getafix/Panoramix in mind. Its main ability was making potions. I lifted the Alchemist's ability but required a Herbalism Kit instead. It's a shame the Alchemist sucks so badly; the reality is that it doesn't belong under Artificer at all. No self-respecting Alchemist ever tanked around in Scale Mail!
Hahaha poor Alchemist
Uhh... Sage... this is literally the GMO Druid. You did this build already 😅
You're correct! The GMO druid was such a good build that when Druid Artificer was voted as one for us to do, it was an obvious pull to do the build
Really disappointed you just dumped the alchemist subclass in the trash, they are a nice subclass if you give them a chance and the flavour is awesome.
Can't be so bad - after all it's still an artificer.
Was enjoying until the conjure animals bashing 😢.
How to run conjure animals on table top:
roll all 8d20s (or whatever amount of creatures). The DM tells you what AC you need to beat (no one cares about secret DMs everyone is it out in one round anyways). Subtract the d20s that don't hit.
Then use the listed stat AVERAGE damage and multiply by the amount of d20s that hit. This literally takes 30 seconds.
Give them a shared health pool and Everytime 1/8th the hp is removed you lose one wolf (assuming you summoned 8 wolves). AoE does the damage of its coverage (fireball hits 4 wolves, you do fire all damage X4 to the shared HP pool).
@@DeadpoolAli One thing a dm could do is have some note cards with the results of a bunch of d20 rolls or a shuffled deck of like 60 cards numbered 1-20, and then just tell the player the number rolled per attack [player adds the beast's modifier]. If there is disadvantage or disadvantage advantage they use 2 rolls from the list, checking the numbers of as they go. If using the card with many results on it, the dm would want a few of these cards to draw from so that pattern repetition is lest likely.
I disagree with your assessment on the Armorer. Rules say, "druids will not wear armor or use shields made of metal," but you can make Plate mail using dragon scale or similar body parts. And, being a Multiclass Artificer should skip that ruling anyway.
Druid and artificer 🤔 sooo..... a carpenter?
All those details about armor class and proficiency between the two classes and then you went and picked Tortle?! Lol.
Just want everyone to know the options in case they don't go tortle 👍