WP Engine isn't the good guy in this story but Matt is infinitely worse and went fully mask off about what kind of person he really is. He not only clearly demonstrated his conflict of interest but weaponized WordPress, the WordPress website and the WordPress foundation, all of which are supposedly independent or separate entities, only to illegally pressure a rival of his hosting company to pay money to his foundation. Many open source projects have BDFLs - benevolent dictators for life. Matt has demonstrated that he wants that title but doesn't care about the B. He burnt all of that goodwill WordPress has built and made the project a huge liability. If WordPress fragments, it's entirely his fault.
Yep. I was never a fan of WP Engine through the years back when I used wordpress. But then again, Matt is setting a very grim precedent where he is flexing muscles to kill any competition in an open software's community. The only good thing about this is that anyone can just hard fork wordpress (and some already did through the years). I hope someone just makes a hard fork of wordpress that just mirrors the updates of the main WP branch to spite Matt and send a message while getting donations for the cause.
Our society prefers leaders who will do ugly things to win over leaders who won't. Masking to begin with seems like the problem. Had he shown himself sooner I would be more behind him but I'm only 95% behind him.
People need to stop carrying water for Matt. He's an abusive cokehead who has exploited younger generations of coders for his own benefit. I don't want to hear about how WP Engine "isn't the good guy" - without Matt's narcissism WP Engine probably wouldn't even exist. Check your meds if you really think WPE is anywhere near as damaging as Matt.
People need to stop carrying water for Matt. He's an abusive cokehead who has exploited younger generations of coders for his own benefit. I don't want to hear about how WP Engine "isn't the good guy" - without Matt's narcissism WP Engine probably wouldn't even exist. Check your meds if you really think WPE is anywhere near as damaging as Matt.
It is very simple: Big private equity parasites open source and give nothing back. Giant corporate VS open source. If WP engine wins, open source is dead. So Matt is right. Maybe not the beat course of action, but he is essentially right. Mat did not ask money for him, or for Automatic as you said, he asked money ( OR HOURS OF WORK ) for wordpress project !!! Big, big difference.
Forcing people to contribute is actually what would kill open-source. There is no legal obligation to contribute to open-source, never has been. Furthermore, Matt used to hold equity in WP Engine which he sold before he declared war on the company.
Great video! Clear, concise, and straight to the point, despite the massive research - even for non-developers. I’m sure your wife would be very impressed… you know, if she actually understood any of this.
@@camelCaseDevhowever, you said Matt asked money for Automatic or for himself, which is NOT true. He asked money OR WORK HOURS for Wordpress. Automatic has the license to NEGOCIATE for comercial use of wordpress trademark, they don’t get the money, Wordpress does. You also forgot to mention Matt said that Wp Engine could pay partially or in full in WORK HOURS for the Wordpress project.
Wow when I watched the video I was sure you would have 100k+ subscriber and views The lighting and voice is so professional Hope you get many more subscribers
(I havent watched the video yet) One thing i can understand about this whole drama: The software might be open source, but the keyword "wordpress" and "wp" which is easily associated with "wordpress" is not. But the drama goes way deeper than that
I have yet to find a RUclips video, a RUclips comment, reddit thread or Twitter post where someone agrees that Matt Mullenweg is correct and doing the right thing.
@Hobbitstomper Thank you very much for your feedback! I find it difficult to say that one side is right and the other wrong. In my view, there are definitely right aspects to Matt's actions, but it also feels very much like a conflict of interest. And the other way round: WP Engine may be legally right (who knows), but morally I don't think their action is worth supporting.
@@camelCaseDev Well I think it's quite simple. WP Engine using WordPress free of charge without giving anything back is 100% in compliance with the GPL license under which it has been released. What Matt did is illegal (as confirmed by the first court rulings), an abuse of power, unethical and morally wrong. Everything from silently changing how "WP" can be used in names, to stealing plugins, to disabling access to WP plugins/themes for WP Engine customers, to tracking how many websites switched away from WP Engine. It's childish, disgusting and as we learned, illegal. While I agree that WP Engine could definitely be giving more back to the open source community considering they're using it for free and are profiting from it, it should be noted that there is absolutely zero obligation to do so. By strict definition what WP Engine does is not even unethical or immoral, because they're doing EXACTLY what the GPL outlines, to take it for free, modify it and resell it without the need to give back. Do I like that WP Engine doesn't contribute to WordPress? Of course not. I think WP could invest in man power to contribute to WordPress. But that's their decision. That's exactly what GPL is all about. Blackmailing any person and/or company to pay for using a software released under GPL, just because they make lots of money, goes against the entire principle of free and open source. Easy as that.
WP Engine isn't the good guy in this story but Matt is infinitely worse and went fully mask off about what kind of person he really is. He not only clearly demonstrated his conflict of interest but weaponized WordPress, the WordPress website and the WordPress foundation, all of which are supposedly independent or separate entities, only to illegally pressure a rival of his hosting company to pay money to his foundation. Many open source projects have BDFLs - benevolent dictators for life. Matt has demonstrated that he wants that title but doesn't care about the B. He burnt all of that goodwill WordPress has built and made the project a huge liability. If WordPress fragments, it's entirely his fault.
Thanks for your feedback! I agree!
Yep. I was never a fan of WP Engine through the years back when I used wordpress. But then again, Matt is setting a very grim precedent where he is flexing muscles to kill any competition in an open software's community. The only good thing about this is that anyone can just hard fork wordpress (and some already did through the years). I hope someone just makes a hard fork of wordpress that just mirrors the updates of the main WP branch to spite Matt and send a message while getting donations for the cause.
Our society prefers leaders who will do ugly things to win over leaders who won't. Masking to begin with seems like the problem. Had he shown himself sooner I would be more behind him but I'm only 95% behind him.
People need to stop carrying water for Matt. He's an abusive cokehead who has exploited younger generations of coders for his own benefit. I don't want to hear about how WP Engine "isn't the good guy" - without Matt's narcissism WP Engine probably wouldn't even exist. Check your meds if you really think WPE is anywhere near as damaging as Matt.
People need to stop carrying water for Matt. He's an abusive cokehead who has exploited younger generations of coders for his own benefit. I don't want to hear about how WP Engine "isn't the good guy" - without Matt's narcissism WP Engine probably wouldn't even exist. Check your meds if you really think WPE is anywhere near as damaging as Matt.
Danke, Franz. That was very helpful and informative. I rely on OSS and WP in particular for my income and am worried. Perhaps a fork does make sense!
Gerne :-)
Yes, a fork seems like an idea but it is certainly a challenge to build up a community for this in the long term.
insane that wordpress 40% websites compare to how bad it is
Yes, I didn‘t want to get into WordPress itself but I had the exact same thought…
"half of the story", nothing stops Matt from publishing the messages he got from WPE 😄 Matt acted like an irrational todler
Thanks for your comment. Indeed, he could do that.
Thanks for the overall picture 👍, it was good to hear.
No problem 👍
Paying for hosting is so 90s
How the hell does this only have 172 views?
I take that as a compliment ;)
It is very simple:
Big private equity parasites open source and give nothing back.
Giant corporate VS open source.
If WP engine wins, open source is dead.
So Matt is right.
Maybe not the beat course of action, but he is essentially right.
Mat did not ask money for him, or for Automatic as you said, he asked money ( OR HOURS OF WORK ) for wordpress project !!!
Big, big difference.
Forcing people to contribute is actually what would kill open-source. There is no legal obligation to contribute to open-source, never has been.
Furthermore, Matt used to hold equity in WP Engine which he sold before he declared war on the company.
Great video! Clear, concise, and straight to the point, despite the massive research - even for non-developers. I’m sure your wife would be very impressed… you know, if she actually understood any of this.
Yeah, I bet she‘ll never watch it
This actually made me more sympathetic to Matt. Thanks.
Thanks for sharing your opinion! Yes, I have tried not to simply portray one side as the “evil side”, but to show the background and motives.
@@camelCaseDevhowever, you said Matt asked money for Automatic or for himself, which is NOT true.
He asked money OR WORK HOURS for Wordpress.
Automatic has the license to NEGOCIATE for comercial use of wordpress trademark, they don’t get the money, Wordpress does.
You also forgot to mention Matt said that Wp Engine could pay partially or in full in WORK HOURS for the Wordpress project.
Really good video.
Thanks!
Wow when I watched the video I was sure you would have 100k+ subscriber and views
The lighting and voice is so professional
Hope you get many more subscribers
Thanks, appreciate it!
@camelCaseDev 👍🏻
Leaving a comment for engagement
Thanks!
(I havent watched the video yet) One thing i can understand about this whole drama:
The software might be open source, but the keyword "wordpress" and "wp" which is easily associated with "wordpress" is not.
But the drama goes way deeper than that
Yeah, I try to get to that point. Feel free to watch it and to share your feedback:-)
Greed ,its all about it
I have yet to find a RUclips video, a RUclips comment, reddit thread or Twitter post where someone agrees that Matt Mullenweg is correct and doing the right thing.
I fully agree with Matt.
If WP Engine wins, open source is dead.
@Hobbitstomper Thank you very much for your feedback! I find it difficult to say that one side is right and the other wrong. In my view, there are definitely right aspects to Matt's actions, but it also feels very much like a conflict of interest. And the other way round: WP Engine may be legally right (who knows), but morally I don't think their action is worth supporting.
@@camelCaseDev Well I think it's quite simple. WP Engine using WordPress free of charge without giving anything back is 100% in compliance with the GPL license under which it has been released. What Matt did is illegal (as confirmed by the first court rulings), an abuse of power, unethical and morally wrong. Everything from silently changing how "WP" can be used in names, to stealing plugins, to disabling access to WP plugins/themes for WP Engine customers, to tracking how many websites switched away from WP Engine. It's childish, disgusting and as we learned, illegal. While I agree that WP Engine could definitely be giving more back to the open source community considering they're using it for free and are profiting from it, it should be noted that there is absolutely zero obligation to do so. By strict definition what WP Engine does is not even unethical or immoral, because they're doing EXACTLY what the GPL outlines, to take it for free, modify it and resell it without the need to give back. Do I like that WP Engine doesn't contribute to WordPress? Of course not. I think WP could invest in man power to contribute to WordPress. But that's their decision. That's exactly what GPL is all about. Blackmailing any person and/or company to pay for using a software released under GPL, just because they make lots of money, goes against the entire principle of free and open source. Easy as that.
Funny, comments are being deleted.
Not by me 🧐
Over 6 minutes in and still not getting to the point of the video?
The main story indeed starts at 06:13 ;-)
@@camelCaseDev I left. It was looking like it was continuing to a whole history lesson that I do not need to sit through.