Columbia University Protests - Ayn Rand From 1968 to Today
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- An excerpt from Ayn Rand's 1968 radio commentary on the Columbia University student protests remains relevant today, as she analyzes the ideological roots and consequences of using force in political activism on campus. The full broadcast is here:
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Reminds me of what James Lindsay is always saying about the far left, "the issue is never the issue for them. Revolution is always the issue."
Revolution against capitalism, specifically.
Yeah, the overthrow of the Conventional by the Conventional. They are as radical as oatmeal in a nursing home
Exactly
@@Shozb0t Actually it's an attempted putsch agains reality. Capitalism is the result when individual rights meets 1+1=2. That is, the branch of philosophy that is politics meets mathematics in the form of Economics. However these are two derivatives rather than irredicible primaries. Economics could be considered a mix of mathematics and psychology, specifically the First Law of Behavior: "Reinforcement increases the probability of the recurrance of the reinforced behavior. Individulal Rights is the political implementation of Egoism in ethics. Rational Egoism is the Ethical system that results from obje tivism; the idea that reality iexists indepently from and prior to, any consciosness thereof, in Metaphysics and Reason as the sole tool of knowledge in Epistemology. Metaphysicis ane Epistemology, because the interface philosophy with the externl, real, world, both in its function and how we understand it ARE the irrecicuble primaries that yield the answers that are Ethics, Esthetics, Politics and Political Economics
I have no idea who James Lindsay is
Revolution is baked into Marxist ideology
I'm slowly going through everything she's published and I'm consistently blown away by how well her takes from back in the 60's apply to today
That's how I felt between 1968 and 1978; Age 22 to 33
@@SpacePatrollerLaser And now, instead.... you're a Space Patroller.... sounds like you really matured. /sarc
@@johnnynick3621 Do you want to explain or just let us THINK you're an idiot: And you better make sure you know what you're talking about, which you do not.. Voting for a Libertarian is, in political terms, eating at the children's table since they have zippo chance of winning and have been around for over 50 years. Why bother? If it's as a portest vote, who will know since we use a secret ballot? Further, who will care? Only a Narcissist would do that. I'll stay home and save the effort and time for something more prouctive, like playing tiddly-winks
Wait til you read Atlas Shrugged, wriiten in 1957. You can match every character to current people today.
@@RubyTwilite The same wit THE FOUNTAINHEAD. That is a quality of good fiction. Otherwise it would not have credibility. We've all met James Taggert, Peter Keating or Elsworth Toohey as well as Roark and Galt, only not in such a concentrated amount. That's because the non-essential characteristics have been omitted for the sake of clarity. What bugs me, though is when people mistake me for Bulsinkle J. Moose when I'm clearly the Yogi Bear type
Good to hear her voice at this time!
There is no freedom of speech, or First Amendment protection, on someone else's private property.
Spot on... shame the young cannot see how often they're manipulated by these very same forces today!
She is the most underrated writer and no mistake. 😢
She is not a philosopher but an apologist for imperialism. The war was stopped by Nixon because of these protests.She is no philosopher as she does not understand ontological reduction
She'd probably give Lex Fridman an earful.
there's nothing new under the sun. the new is the long-forgotten old (in our case, the unlearned old)
Right then, right now.
And because it is based on principles; right forever as long as this kidn of thing happens
@@SpacePatrollerLaser Exactly.
Excellent analysis by Ann Rynd.
Andrei Serban a professor at Columbia university has resigned on 2019 as he cited that this happened in communist Romania which was under ussr as the communist government dictated what to do or not. He called this an oppression under the garb of political correctness. Same look at indias JNU and other universities excerpt in GCC
Wise words.
Her philosophy has never been needed more than now.
History never repeats itself, but the Kaleidoscopic combinations of the pictured present often seem to be constructed out of the broken fragments of antique legends. -- Mark Twain and Charles Dudley Warner, The Gilded Age: A Tale of To-Day (Hartford, CT: American Publishing, 1874), 430.
This was paraphrased by John Robert Colombo, Neo Poems (Vancouver, BC: Sono Nis, 1970), 46.
"History does not repeat itself, but it rhymes.”
Damn she was brilliant
Moments like this when she sounds like a prophet, with piercing insight in the dynamics just highlights how brilliant she was.
So relevant!
Students at UT Austin expressed annoyance at the police presence and the calls to disperse. Most students were studying for exams or in classes. Their activities were disruptive. Many blamed the early call for the police prior to the hooligans erecting a camp. They seemed unwilling to blame the assembled mass. I hear excuses such as "20-year-olds just do these things" or "They hadn't become violent yet". The next time the hooligans assembled, they built a fortress or bike locks and tables. Again, non-protesting students were disrupted. The protestors were arrested, and the camp removed. There's an ethical hole and a lack of thinking in principles at UT Austin. Fortunately, the spring semester is over. Fall is four months away.
If the 'Palestenians' (the Arabs in Gaza) are so important, why are they not allowed into Jordan or Egypt?
If no Islamic country wants them, why must Israel be forced to care for the late stage 'Old Yellers'???
Some Palestinians did go to Jordan where they fought against the King. They were pushed out into Lebanon where they founded Hezbollah, the "Party of God". Lebanon fell into civil war.
Jordan under the command of King Hussein killed thousands of Palestinians with the help of former Pakistan PM, Muhammad Zia and his army.
Why wouldn’t Eygpt give them Gaza 1948-67. Or Jordan West Bank same time frame ?
Because Palestinians want to stay in their homeland Palestine. If Egypt or Jordan try to take Palestinians in to help Isreal in its ethnic cleansing they will forever be remembered as the biggest traitors to the Arab and Muslim world. As for isrealis taking them in. You have it backwards my friend when no one would take the European Jews, the Palestinians took them in
Seems prophetic.
The ironic part is that most of people protesting in defense of Hamas would be deleted by Hamas.
Agreed and these protests are an absurd marriage of Marxists and Muslims.
Why, the very same can be said about zionists. With PROOF.
I think disclose and divest is applicable to the mommies and daddies of students protesting.
In less than 38 seconds, I learned that there have been “250 arrests on 50 campuses”. Anyone want to tell me why in the world should I continue listening to this video? There should have been 250 arrests at each of the 50 campuses not 5 per campus 🤦♀️
2500 arrests. Not 250
She had a radio show on WBAI…. What irony…. Credit to that now …. Whatever station
Wow!
"we do not need allies who are more devoted to order than to justice" - Dr. Martin Luther King. Jr.
A Marxist.
Wisdom as pertinent today as it was in the 1960s.
Harry Binswanger and Gunther Stent were against 1968 events.
John Searle was for. To bad for him.
Did they get there snacks?
She was a prophet.
Prophet? Nonsense. More like a rightist demagogue.
@@TheTwangKings I gave you a thumbs up because you demonstrated the key characteristic of your kind. an unsupported ad hominem attack. As long as you keep doing this, then I know that the world is as it should be
Don't let her hear you say that. "Prophecy" is actually being in the favor of god or gods, with the predictive ability being an outward sign of that favor. Hence it is quite mystical. Let us just say she was a proto-psychohistorian, very Seldon imitated
@@SpacePatrollerLaser is that the best you can do? pathetic.
@@TheTwangKings If it is pathetic, it reflects the quality of material you goave me to work with. It was only the best I NEEDED to do based on what you did. If you want better, give me a smaller, less obvious and less banal target
I rarely agree with Ayn Rand, but here I do. (Except when she says that reason and morality determine human history. Yeah, I wish.)
I wonder if she wrote anything about N..i manifestations (protests?) at American universities in the 1930s. There were quite a few, especially at GWU.
They do. What she is challenging is what you think is a proper morality.
Who's funding all this, who's supplying the tents, shirts, signs ect., that's the problem here
The Communists... They've been busy taking over the country for over a hundred years...
The World is different because of October 7th. Who should be congratulated for it?
Congratulated? 😎.... Perhaps in revealing who should be deported to communist countries... So we can get back to freedom here! 💪
Depends...how do you want to define democracy and free speech.
Democracy... Or mob rule... Always leads to tyranny...
The narcissistic psychopath always lies his way to the top. 😢
she was so ahead of her time. she should have had a make beleive meeting between her and the main characters from atlas shrugged on TV. I wonder what Dagny Taggart and hank Rearden would have said about the 68 riots in it. would they have gone on a full blown rant?
They were too busy making money and enjoying liberty.
I remembe3r when that crap was going down, and "burn, baby burn". That, and the Establishments weak-sister response, plus the basic totlalitarian thrust of the Great Society was what pushed me over to the Right (as Ayn Rand described it), and ultimately to Objectivism by the end of October
It is what got Nixon elected, much the same, on the international scale, such as the bombing of US embassies becoming a cottage industy, got Reagan elected. In both instances, the Dems thought they would retain power. At least then, we had clear choices. Now we have Hamas' own Yusuf Ibn Al-Biden and Donald Ivan Trumpsky ("I can't see how it would be the Russians"; Helsinki, who lost Hong Kong? The massive Solarwinds hack by the Russians). And I still have not figured out who is worse and what I will do in November. But I would not blame Netinyau if he openly endorsed Trump since the 'crats are now out to stab Israel in the back. Which the Sonambulant ONe said he would never do a few times. Of the tow, this more resembles 1980
We have a helluva choice. The terminally stupid vs the terminally crazy
The ONLY choice in November is to vote Libertarian. Though that party is also far from perfect, at least your conscience will be clear.
Re choice between "the terminally stupid and the terminally crazy." IMO, the former is not necessarily _terminal,_ so there is hope and maybe even a fix; whereas the latter is random, and therefore only randomly fixable/salvageable.
@@mon_avis2978 If anything. The terminally crazy is less drastic, but just barely since it is using it's intellect in a random way. the former, ilel the Democrats have no mind left as a natural result of Nihilism, Collectivism and Statism. It is the mind that directs the intellect. They have, in effict torn out the wiring
If you observe the Trump campaing, it has gone sharply left. with the Nead Nut playing the victim in a way and to an extent that would embarrass the most pathetic beggar. Also, They CONservatives are politicizing the trials, thus making Trump out to be a political prisoner. During the late '60's trials of various and sundry violent leftists. There was an article in THE OBJICTIVST ABOUT THIS. There are two trials coming up. The January 6th and unawful retaining of classified docs. Trump is behaving like a guilty man, throwing one delay after another. It is clear that he is hoping to run out the clock until election. If this is allowed to succeed, we are finished as a nation of laws. At this point and unless the Dems do something as egregiously illegal, I would advice voting Democrat in November or The Orange Menace will have succeeded. When I was in high school, we were given some exposure to MEIN KAMPF for its value in how a nation can be subverted. Trump's actions have a disturbing resemblence to the contents therein. He may have already suborned elements of the Judiciary. For exampled when the Prosecutor, in December of last year, requiested a ruling on the immunity issue, he was blown off. When Trump's team requested the same ruling in early March, the request was accepted by the SCOTUS which rejected the earlier ruling. Also the Trump-appointed judge in the docs trial has moved it to at least June, despite the fact that they had a year to prepare for it
All of these are things usually associated with the '60's Left, not the Right
Stupid in 68
And Stupid in 2024 😂
Talking about yourself?
Wrong then, wrong now!
It's a wrong comparison "students" anti-Israel protests of now and protests of 60s
Even though they have the same exact ideology... And same regard for freedom... An Express the same praise for America's enemies!... Other than that....they're completely different😎
I don’t think it’s all or nothing, there are nuances.
I think her books were riveting. I also credit her for gifting the world with her rational/objective framework. I believe she WAS NOT correctly applying objective/rational thinking when criticizing the protests of the 60s for these reasons:
If the students were peacefully demanding transparency about the true aims of the Vietnam war, if they were demanding equal rights for all then that is ABSOLUTELY objective & rational and she should have supported that component of the protests.
If some students believed that communism was the solution to the above problems then I would fully agree with her criticisms of THOSE components. I believe it was her justified anti-communist views (she saw the oppression/corruption first hand) that made her defend the status quo in the US in a biased way that made her miss the objective/rational components of the protests.
Similarly with today’s protests, those who are peacefully demanding transparency and disclosure of university investments so that the current and future students can make informed decisions about where to pay their tuition fees then that is ABSOLUTELY objective and rational.
The positive component of the current protests is to nudge democracy towards a more TRANSPARENT and thus superior democracy (disclose investments, disclose politicians funded by AIPAC, clarify AIPAC’s status as a foreign government organization, disclose that CNN runs at least some of their journalism through their Jerusalem bureau which works closely with the IDF, etc.) so that voters can make more informed choices
Rand was not opposed to free-speech and peacefully protesting against government policies. She never expressed opposition to peacefully protesting against the Vietnam War and was in fact critical of the US participation in the war herself. I'm not sure where you got that impression.
I think Netanyahu and IDF will change their tactics and start a ceasefire because of Columbia University Students protesting on the lawns in their little tents. Do you agree?
Haha. In fact, these protests have nothing to do with Palestine. This is all about creating chaos across the Western world. In the minds of Marxists, Israel represents, Wealthy, White, Western capitalists. Naturally this also defaults them as colonizers. Everything that makes a Marxists skin crawl. The Muslims have just piled on because they hate Jews.
Without lies Islam dies
Sometimes, disruption is necessary for change to occur. Ghandi, MLK, and Jesus disrupted the current norms.
With a significant and noticeable difference. None of those people based their liberation on the destruction of another persecuted people.
So
People showed up in 48
And took
But your argument is
What
That the people that lived there should just lump it
The idea here bein what
That the veitnam war was a good idea
Or that protest against Killin is wrong
I don't get you people
Peace and love
From canada
Ayn Rand starts from problematic assumptions, especially a problematic reference to the distinction between collectivism / individualism, which she, quite understandably, owes to her origin.
Rand was very clear in her distinctions between collectivism and individualism. If you disagree with those distinctions perhaps you should expound on those differences.... or write your own books on philosophy to tell the world where she went wrong.
"is cooked" Wow, way ahead of her time using 2024 young kids' terminology. lol
These kids are the future leaders and you can’t handle it! You and Ayn Rand = the past
Their emulating the brown shirts that all became leaders in 1938 Nazi Germany. That didn't end well.
Libertarianism is an inherently adolescent ideology.
Actually no.... it is collectivism, in its various forms... that is inherently adolescent. The immature minions of communism and socialism are devoid of any life experience and are caught up in expressing views they don't understand because they think it will make them acceptable to others in their "group-think mob".
Again is she arguing that war is good
Or that rather
No more what
Protest her way
Or u are .........
*There is no such place or nation or country called "Palestine" also Gazans are Hamas are "Palestinians" are intifada are Arab Islamists.*
The problem with Ayn Rand is she was wrong about knowledge being passed down in the blood. Knowledge is passed down in the blood and is known as the epigenome. Once you understand she was wrong about fascism, then it all kinda unravels, not to say she wasn't brilliant. However, some of her assertions about fascism was wrong...
So you are endorsing fascism.... I just want to get that made plain. You are also suggesting that our genes somehow transmit specific knowledge from one generation to another? Through blood? Really?
@@johnnynick3621 Called the Epigenome... It isn't a suggestion, it is hard facts... You can deny reality because of your ideology and prejudice or you can accept what modern science has proven...
@@CrabFiles What a silly comment. Here are some *actual* FACTS:
An epigenome consists of a record of the chemical changes to the DNA and histone proteins of an organism; these changes can be passed down to an organism's offspring via transgenerational stranded epigenetic inheritance.
Knowledge is facts, information, and skills acquired by a person through experience or education, the theoretical or practical understanding of a subject.
One has nothing to do with the other.
@@johnnynick6179 So, your saying knowledge is not contained and passed down from one generation to another through DNA... So, you don't believe in evolution or the epigenome LOL!
Because your gene expressions through your life is knowledge of your life...
Sorry, but knowledge has to flow from generation to generation through the genes otherwise we wouldn't be evolving like we do.. You act like we don't come from somewhere, and each generation doesn't pass down any knowledge gained to the next...
You have no clue what you are talking about...
You have to pass knowledge of your life to the next generation or we don't evolve doofus...
Your evolution isn't just random.. You think you are who you are just based on random mutations LOL! Part of you is based on the gene expressions that have been reinforced generation after generation...
Baby's are not born with a blank slate...
@@johnnynick6179 You think people are born with a blank slate... So, how do you explain that we know how to do things without ever being shown LOL!
You think animals have to teach or see behavior in order to perform a behavior :P
That is absurd...
When you get in a car accident, genes are turned on.. That is passed down that trauma... That is knowledge...
If you train every day, you turn on certain genes, that is gene expression... Your child trains every day, that reinforces the gene expression, that is pass down :P
That is knowledge.... That is how this thing called life works... Information is stored in the epigenome, that information is a type of knowledge...
"anti-Israel and pro hamas"
Objectivism at its most subjective.
Boring writer - empty diatribes about "freedom" - & now, her modern lackeys
I can tell you haven’t read any of it. “Boring” yet here you are attacking it
I don’t think it’s all or nothing, there are nuances.
I think her books were riveting. I also credit her for gifting the world with her rational/objective framework. I believe she WAS NOT correctly applying objective/rational thinking when criticizing the protests of the 60s for these reasons:
If the students were peacefully demanding transparency about the true aims of the Vietnam war, if they were demanding equal rights for all then that is ABSOLUTELY objective & rational and she should have supported that component of the protests.
If some students believed that communism was the solution to the above problems then I would fully agree with her criticisms of THOSE components
Similarly with today’s protests, those who are peacefully demanding transparency and disclosure of their investments so that the current and future students can make informed decisions about where to pay their tuition fees then that is ABSOLUTELY objective and rational.
The positive component of the current protests is to nudge democracy towards a more TRANSPARENT and thus superior democracy (disclose investments, disclose politicians funded by AIPAC, clarify AIPAC’s status as a foreign government organization, etc.) so that voters can make more informed choices
Are you against her writing because she endorses freedom? Or are you against her because she endorses freedom incorrectly?