Kinda defeats the purpose of buying a premium. Alot of people buy premiums because they get a decent tank that they don't have to spend time on grinding for. Although, I think this premium tree idea would be cool for some tanks that havnt come out yet
honestly the idea is litrally close to what WoT console has with the Mastery Tank tech tree where you have to complete challenges in order to get special vehicles but in this case it would be premiums and second, there are premium teir X tanks in WoT Console you are able to grind for but with only free xp so either one of these systems is what Pantoufleee is refering to
The only problem with that is it’s a lot harder to get free xp on wot console, which keeps it balanced I get roughly 800k free xp a month just from playing on blitz, but have only gotten like 100k on wot console
@@rjcarillo1414 yes that is true im gonna make a video on friday regarding this video that Pantoufleee did and explain more in depth upon this idea on my Bingoringo2000 channel
@@-Xen the only point I’ve ever tried to make. Being a “free to play” player is fine. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s how anyone decides wether they like a game. Get to test drive it. But the notion that “F2P” are somehow smarter, more savvy with money, or better than players that do buy things in game. It no different than the argument about pirating music. I buy the music and support the bands. You pirate the music and think you’re better than everyone else. When in reality, without money to make the world go round, you get “Angry Birds” as the best game out there.
I really want to see improvements to platooning and communication…chat and manage inventory in queue, the ability for the platoon mate to leave queue, status visibility (in battle / in garage) simple things like that. Should be easy to implement. Pantouf, can you please tell WG to do these things? I like your video by the way, it is a solid concept.
Why not instead of a premium tech tree, You had to grind the tech tree counterpart to unlock the premium version. For example you have to grind the vk100 to unlock the vk168 for purchase.
Finally, someone understands me. Instead of pay 4,500k for a literal tier 7 premium you can grind like 700k XP, and get it for free. It would be so much better.
What you could do to reduce the price is progress in the actual tech tree. What I'm saying is the more tanks you have from that tech tree the less the premiums are going to cost from that same Nation. Or you could go per tier as another option. And as for the the tanks collecting dust in your garage you could sell them for either free EXP or Gold if they are a collectible. (Around half their worth)
In WOT PC premiums are generally not better but have some UNIQUE features like 5 shells gun or derp gun and so on. So this is the way - making unique tanks and not necessarily better than tech tree tanks. Idea of putting premiums into crates is absurd but it could work like in WOT PC - some challenges or events when you got points at the end you can buy tank for cheaper prize depending on your final result. Regardless you can still buy prems in shop.
I actually liked when premiums had maybe one strength but some glaring weaknesses that balanced them and in a way actually made them a little weaker than the tech tree tanks. They took skill to play well but would always make credits and looked unique. This was back when the highest tier premiums were tier 8 and the big dogs were tanks like the T32, Lowe, Super Pershing, JT 8.8, etc. It seems like over the years even these have been buffed as I don't seem to have the pen issues I used to have in the Super Pershing and now gold shells can be bought with credits. Some of the tier 9 tanks were nightmares to try and pen, now it seems way easier to play.
Wargaming isn't going to put any obstacle in front of people buying stuff from them. Unless the obstacle is to inconvenience you enough to want crates. Thank you, have a good day.
That kinda ruins the idea of getting a premium tank , so rather than grind ingame currencies to get the next tank, u grind with ur wallet and thats just stupid In that case might aswell make them tech tree and we are all set
This wouldn't change the game. If someone has the possibility to spend 200 euros on crates, he would spend that money anyways on the tank line. This system would support the p2w players with more tanks. But if there were the possibility to grind the premium tanks with only free xp as well, this would be a very good option for f2p players to get their hands on some juicy premium tank. I mean it would be a lot of work, but this would support both side of the players.
Honestly Pantoufleee this would only be good for a very few players. For someone like me, I want all of the tanks so it might work. But if you come into Blitz and want to just play a fun tank, or just get a premium to grind credits and free XP, it would turn away many players who are new and want to try a higher tier tank or like specific tanks from history. Even those who may just like a certain play style like hull down, ambush, or peekaboo. In your example you would have to get the FV 201 first, then grind it to getthe Action X. But I have all of these tanks and honestly the 201 isn't very good, and even though it's a heavy it really cant block any shots. Hull down is your only hope and that's 50/50 to block anything. Honestly if I was a new player to Blitz, and they forced me to pay for a premium I didnt want, and even worse that wasn't really exceptional I would complain and ask for my money back. Combined with having to pay to grind a "premium tank" would really make the game not player friendly. I would consider myself a "whale" in WOTB but I want all the tanks, tech tree included. I didnt get a premium until after grinding my first tier 10 the AMX 50B. In the 7 or 8 months I have played I am now up to 9 tech tree tier 10 tanks and it has given me this insight... Premiums are not the problem, the grind is too long and not fun on most tech tree tanks, and the tanks are often useless until fully upgraded, at which time you are ready to move to the next tier tank. If the grind was lowered, more people would likely at least try the game. If the tech tree tanks were usable before completely done, many would play them longer. And if you could earn a reasonable amount of credits in a tech tree tank, you would see less premium spam. I dont see WG changing that anytime soon. But adding more grind for already premium pay? Honestly I would have stopped playing shortly after I started, and for perspective... I have 80 to 90 percent of all premium tanks released in the game so far. I'm sure you know how much money WG made off of me because i like the tanks. And i wouldnt have spent it if i still had to grind afterward. At that point I'd rather spend it on my regular WOT account. Some premiums are toxic, like Smasher and Annihalator... but most are marginally better. People just spam gold ammo anyway. Thank you for the videos, they are enjoyable to watch!
What about this: If you want a tier 10 premium, you need to have for example 3 tier 10 tech tree tanks. This also for tier 8,9 whatever. (The 3 is an example, so it would be different for every tier). This makes it that noobs/not experienced players can’t buy higher tier tanks.
Premiums were intended to be credit grinders so you could have an easier time advancing tech trees, They deviated from that vision and they are seeing the effects, premium tanks are past the point of strong at this point, intoxicating queues. Unlike Wargaming, Gaijin hasnt been that stupid and premiums in War Thunder are credit grinders and not WR boosters.
I loved the idea, not only does it remove the matchmaking screwed up with only premium tanks, it also prevents people with less than 1k battles from being able to buy a Smasher, or an Annihilator. And about the re-rolls, honestly, there could be some innovation for older players, like clan wars, or Frontline, and I totally understand they want to do it all over again, but it would be less necessary.If only we had these modes. Brilliant idea Pantouf!
Actually instead of Grinding the Premium versions of Specific Tanks they should be locked by a Battle Cap or Lock Like the most premium Tank Buyers I see have only like less than a 1000 battles the system I had in mind goes like this. When you get a premium tank by any means your access to play this tank is locked if you haven't had specific amount of battles on your official record Tier II Prems: 250-300 battles played Tier III Prems: 300-500 battles played Tier IV Prems: 500-600 Battles Played Tier V Prems: 600-750 battles played Tier VI Prems: 750-900 battles played Tier VII Prems: 900-1,200 Battles Playrd Tier VIII Prems: 1,200-1,700 Battles Played Tier IX Prems: 1,700-2,100 Battles Played Tier X Prems: 2,100-2,700 Battles Played Edit: for each tier passed the player must be associated with how these vehicles are meant to be played also the req that I made is just an estimate and is just an example how the system should worj
I'd say this would work only on people with a ton of time and quite money to spend. WG would loose quite a lot of money from casual buyers. 1. Rerolls would not care, they care about stats and often can grind very very fast. Literally with a premium account, boosters, and a lot of time you are on tier 7 or 8 in a day. 2. Casuals would not go through it if it will be limited time as they don't have enough time to grind something like this. 3. Collectors would not care either as they already have everything. 4. Also people which are slowly collecting gold or people who can spare some money from here and there might not buy anything as they would not spend all the money on something they don't want. I'd say that if people would have 2 options: Grind a lot, buy the stuff you don't want only to buy something later on something you want. Or buy crates with the current setup for the what is time and money worth of the grind, most people would go for the crate. I would do too.
Agree 100%! Especially Free2Play players, getting 50 gold per day and saving it, and the clan reward gold to get a premium. I would feel like I got cheated if WG told me now I have to waste it all on a tank I dont even want...
I think one of the main problems wg overlooks is the credit system, take an average player for example, around 48-52% win rate seems reasonable, but if they're playing tech tree tanks then grinding credits becomes tedious and time consuming, enriching their tech tree tanks costs around twice as much as buying an equivalent premium tank tho, so instead of enriching say the tiger 2, and using that to grind credits to buy the e75 or the equipment slots for the e75 they already baught, it's logical to buy the lowe and use that to grind credits instead, it's literally half the price, and above tier 8 you can't permanently enrich tanks at all, so tier 9 and 10 prems are at a huge advantage compared to tech tree tanks at the same tier, if wg would reduce the enriching cost to be comparable to buying a premium of the same tier then maybe people would play tech tree tanks alot more instead of spamming premium tanks, or make the credit system more balanced, because when you go into battle in a bottom tier tank and struggle to pen your opponents and your team looses, that isn't really your fault but that doesn't stop you loosing credits, so to avoid that people spam premiums
My solution would have been to prevent new players from buying tanks till they either get to that same tier or a certain amount of battles. For instance, you wouldn't be able to buy a Tier 6 premium until you get a Tier 6 tech tree tank or until you get, say, 5k battles.
i dont agree, u see i am brazilian so 1 us dollar is equal to = 5R$ (brazilian coin) the super conqueror itself is already rly expensive, considering the average salary is 1100 R$ and the super conqueror + action x + fv would cost probably around 100 USD we would have to spend half of everything we get in the game : and even those with a lot of work don't need to worry about money as much as I do, why would you agree to spend 3 times as much money to finally be able to buy it?, unfortunately this solution will just made people think they are being scammed.
The most stupid thing about premium is that some of them are just reskinned tanks with mostly better stats than tech tree and they make the premium lower tier than the tech tree counterpart
Dude I already fixed this issue two years ago when I proposed implement something that... Surprise, surprise, already exist. From my 20+ years gaming experience, everyone knows that for vehicle games there are Licenses... Thus in WG case you would need to hear certain type of licenses to play Prems on Ranked battles....
its just put the same number of premiums per team, if the team A have 5 premiums, team B must have 5 too, simple. that way will match grinders with grinders, and people making credits with another player making credits
Nahh. I think you are overthinking it Pantouf. With premium tech tree and the necessity of grind for tier X premiums the MM would be even more crowded with premiums. Imagine if the only way of getting the Obj. 260 would be to grind through the obj. 244, the IS-Berlin, and the Object 252U. And then everybody would have a 260 as well. It would be a complete premium overflow.
@Pantoufleee players should always know that any action or choice wargaming makes has pros and cons. You cannot satisfy everyone. However, I agree and fully support your idea. Firstly, if players have to grind for a premium tank they will probably have a better understanding of how the tanks play and as a result they aren't useless bots. Secondly, I would suggest that Wargaming when implementing a new premium tank in the game put it in crates so that the players have a chance to get the tank. After that they should add it to the tech tree and players should be able to buy it in a direct bundle if they fully researched the tech tree counterpart.
Seems like a decent idea but there are too many problems. The first problems I see are the lack of tier 9 and 10 premium tanks and the fact that this system still doesn't stop a player from joining a game and Imediatly buying their way up to tier 10. I could think of at least 10 different systems that would imo work way better and at least could solve the problem partially.
Sad to say at this rate I agree. I play the tree to grind the tier 10. I will go back later to regain the lower tier, but they often aren't exceptional. I do love my T29 though, kept that around cause it's actually fun hull down lol
@@SterlingBeanz I have to play lower tier.....if u don't have premium account it's Soo expensive...... Even in Asia server morons are in every tier 40% in tier x is sooo annoying
What about a premium tech tree bundle? You get a new line that you still have to grind to but It's easier than a normal line and you get like 4 to 5 premium tank with it and that many garage slots. It would be probably very expensive so the solution is to sell fragments of the line like from tier V or VI to tier VIII. That's 3-4 tanks including a tier VIII what most people play. Would this be a good idea to add in wotb or not?
My favourite tank type is Artelerie this is why I will play tank company I will play wotblitz only it there is a event that is not so hard and where we can get not just 100K credits I mean events where we get gold or beautiful/rare Camouflages or a (new) premium/collector tank
So a lot of people might play premium tanks because they think they are better, that is true. But why I play them is because of Silver/Credit banks they are. If the regular tanks gave more then and the premiums gave some other advantage i would never have bought as many of them. Funding the lines and making credits is the largest drag in the game. If you want to fix the excess amount of premium players fix this. Also most of the premiums are very situational tanks and so far none are as OP as the PC variants. Most with a good study of their armor you will find there weaknesses and are not to hard to handle in a tech tree tank. No one wants to grind a tech tree line for premiums when that is what the main lines are for. Instead have the premiums become available when you unlock the tech tree counter parts. Example the T34 will unlock when you max out the T29 or the SuperConqueror will unlock when you max the Conqueror. Its not hard to tie the Premiums to tech tree tanks that have a similar play style that would educate the player and help them be competent. So in conclusion make it cost less silver to play or balance the premiums so they have a separate advantage over just the silver banks they are. Yeah this idea is just bad, and ignores the fact that premiums are good often because people that have been playing the game a long time buy them to have something new. People showcase them in videos like this and show the potential so everyone rushes out to get there little credit banks but are not competent players. i agree its a problem but just adding a grind to a grind heavy game is nuts. I also agree that if you don't have a similar tech tree tank then maybe you should not be able to just purchase one. We all know its likely you'll roll around like a nub.
I think that premiums should be based on tech tree tanks, and be a trade off, take the emil 1951 and emil 1. Emil 1951 has better pen and mobility, at the cost of damage and armor. Emil 1 has better damage and armor, at the cost of pen and mobility. So depending on which you value more, depends on whether the premium is an upgrade, or downgrade. Or pantera and progetto. Pantera has better pen and top speed at the cost of clip potential. Progetto has better clip potential at the cost of pen and top speed. I think that if WG would kinda make it a rule they follow, premiums would never be super OP, but still be fun and a change up from the OG tank, as well as make credits.
I wish they make an event for the fv201 I just really want it, and the su 122 as well (even if they might not be the best of tanks) they should probably make events to get some former tech tree premiums for free (the ones that got removed in this update)
I have a idea. Make it so that you need a certain amount of xp and gold to get the premium. For example fo the super conquerer you need to pay the normal gold price and need for example 150k xp whether it is combat or free xp
Doesn't address the issue of people already having the premiums, not knowing the basics but still playing. A more efficient method would be to penalize poor performance. Eg. Take any tank in the game, take the per shot avg dmg(or even the lowest possible penetration damage of AP) and multiply it by 4. If dmg done isn't equal or greater, no xp or credits earned only costs paid. Doesn't matter if using a premium/collector or tech tree tank.. Maybe even a fine too. Within a month people will be moving to lower tiers. The stubborn ones will have to use gold to equip their tanks. Win-win. We get less 300-400 dmg, dead in 1st min teams and WG sells more gold. On the other hand, monetise spotting and assisted dmg. Right now, why should a light take a risk and move up to spot when the td gets the kill and dmg? Want to stop Campers? There's a distance travelled counter. Use it. You camp a corner in a light or heavy being no use to the team, you don't earn anything.
Uhhhh.... no. If I am buying premium tanks, finally, after years of playing and I finally have the ability to get enough gold to buy the premiums, I really don't want restrictions on if I can or can't buy or play it. I would think this would cause people to flee to Tank Company. Is that your tactic, sir?
imagine this: ur a f2p player and wg just gave u an order where you can get 3 days of premium and a collect em all container. you complete the order and open your container and you get a cheiftan! oop too bad you cant have it bcz u didnt spend money to be able to get the tanks before it. :/
@Dev Katyusha in the comments have a superb idea who seems like u but a little different and with less restrictions : Grind the tech tree line until the tank u want and after u can unlock the premium version 🔥🔥🔥💪
Actualy this a great idea im a F2P and i got all the premuim tanks for or from crates for free so i like this idea but i also play wotb from the begining and premuims are becoming a big problem i agree with that.
the main problem is that WG won't nerf premium tanks although a nerf is much needed. I do understand why they are not nerfing premiums but the game is losing its players because of OP premiums besides some other aspects like bad matchmaking.
How about we do keep the idea.... But only for the average premiums The one's like the action x, annihilator etc.... Does not come in this tech tree only the not great nor bad premiums It will not only help people to get credits, but wargaming to get money while also keeping the match making balanced
Kinda defeats the purpose of buying a premium. Alot of people buy premiums because they get a decent tank that they don't have to spend time on grinding for. Although, I think this premium tree idea would be cool for some tanks that havnt come out yet
But they are mostly noobs
@@DeliveryTank or they leave the house and actually have moneys
@@ebkadam4775 I can't spend money because I'm 15, a child, and my parents will never let me spend money
It wouldnt solve the problem though. In fact it would even encourage premium spam.
@@humzaakhtar9208 I'm 16 and I intend to work after my national exams to save up and spend $300 or more on wotb
honestly the idea is litrally close to what WoT console has with the Mastery Tank tech tree where you have to complete challenges in order to get special vehicles but in this case it would be premiums and second, there are premium teir X tanks in WoT Console you are able to grind for but with only free xp so either one of these systems is what Pantoufleee is refering to
The only problem with that is it’s a lot harder to get free xp on wot console, which keeps it balanced
I get roughly 800k free xp a month just from playing on blitz, but have only gotten like 100k on wot console
@@colevandyken2871 then they can use a percentage system that takes away a fraction of the free xp, just like when you convert gold to free xp
This is also possible in PC, you can get tank by doing missions
@@rjcarillo1414 yes that is true im gonna make a video on friday regarding this video that Pantoufleee did and explain more in depth upon this idea on my Bingoringo2000 channel
@@sirinstinct4326 I really do hope they'll give us this reward tanks
"Milking players by tricking them into buying premiums"
F2P players: Good luck with that
If everyone was a F2P, we’d be playing solitaire.
@@wkymole3 All players are vital for a game. If all F2P players leave total players count would decrease severely.
@@-Xen yeah, you’re right. McDonald’s only stays in business because of the customers getting free water. 🤣
@@wkymole3 Do you think 30-60% of players can't effect the game at all?
@@-Xen the only point I’ve ever tried to make. Being a “free to play” player is fine. There’s nothing wrong with it. It’s how anyone decides wether they like a game. Get to test drive it. But the notion that “F2P” are somehow smarter, more savvy with money, or better than players that do buy things in game. It no different than the argument about pirating music. I buy the music and support the bands. You pirate the music and think you’re better than everyone else. When in reality, without money to make the world go round, you get “Angry Birds” as the best game out there.
I really want to see improvements to platooning and communication…chat and manage inventory in queue, the ability for the platoon mate to leave queue, status visibility (in battle / in garage) simple things like that. Should be easy to implement. Pantouf, can you please tell WG to do these things?
I like your video by the way, it is a solid concept.
We need platoon comms.
Ikr like a chat when loading in queue then you can talk in there while loading or say to change tanks or to leave queue
Why not instead of a premium tech tree, You had to grind the tech tree counterpart to unlock the premium version. For example you have to grind the vk100 to unlock the vk168 for purchase.
Would be a good idea. But it kinda defeats the purpose of prem tanks. Because people want to have a solid tank without having to grind
That is very good idea and that it should be and to prevent new players to buy tier 7,8,9 or 10 premium tanks with 10 battles in total...
Jokes on you, i allready have the 168
@@samoerai6807 skill issue over there
@@unusualincidentsunit7428 ??
Finally, someone understands me. Instead of pay 4,500k for a literal tier 7 premium you can grind like 700k XP, and get it for free. It would be so much better.
Or half price 2.250K gold
I still remember when pantoufleee was called a premium kid in a battle about 1 and a half years ago ._.
yes it was the t92e1 lol
🤣🤣🤣👍👍👍
D4rkPhantom23
7k damage = 150k credits with Super Conqueror? I impressed
What you could do to reduce the price is progress in the actual tech tree. What I'm saying is the more tanks you have from that tech tree the less the premiums are going to cost from that same Nation. Or you could go per tier as another option. And as for the the tanks collecting dust in your garage you could sell them for either free EXP or Gold if they are a collectible. (Around half their worth)
Collectors would be very happy with your idea :)
Your idea sounds great ngl 👍👍
Great idea that’s sounds like a very solid plan
I’d love to see them put this into the game
Remember, no matter how strong premium and collector tanks are, tech tree ones will always be stronger.
Laughs in smasher
Don't forget the Cromwell Berlin.
uh why
True if you play some tech tree tanks right.
Not always, but a lot of the time yes. This is why I usually buy only interesting (unique from
the tech tree) premiums, like the TOG II.
give tech tree tanks strong extra modules (make them grindy) but at the end able to fight its premium counter part.
Would like to see that!
Matilda BP > Churchill VI > FV201 > Action X > Insert future tier 9 British tank here > Super Conq
In WOT PC premiums are generally not better but have some UNIQUE features like 5 shells gun or derp gun and so on. So this is the way - making unique tanks and not necessarily better than tech tree tanks.
Idea of putting premiums into crates is absurd but it could work like in WOT PC - some challenges or events when you got points at the end you can buy tank for cheaper prize depending on your final result. Regardless you can still buy prems in shop.
Also keep the increased credit gain on premiums, as long as it’s more than what you get for enriching a tank, IMO is the best way to do it
@@why8298 Agree
I actually liked when premiums had maybe one strength but some glaring weaknesses that balanced them and in a way actually made them a little weaker than the tech tree tanks. They took skill to play well but would always make credits and looked unique. This was back when the highest tier premiums were tier 8 and the big dogs were tanks like the T32, Lowe, Super Pershing, JT 8.8, etc. It seems like over the years even these have been buffed as I don't seem to have the pen issues I used to have in the Super Pershing and now gold shells can be bought with credits. Some of the tier 9 tanks were nightmares to try and pen, now it seems way easier to play.
most of the time when I play other tiers beside then X its usually in premium tanks unless im grinding something
Very true.
So we just ignore how he did a BIG brain move at the end!🥶🥶🥶😶🌫️😶🌫️😶🌫️
Wargaming isn't going to put any obstacle in front of people buying stuff from them. Unless the obstacle is to inconvenience you enough to want crates. Thank you, have a good day.
That kinda ruins the idea of getting a premium tank , so rather than grind ingame currencies to get the next tank, u grind with ur wallet and thats just stupid
In that case might aswell make them tech tree and we are all set
It's actually a good idea. You could also restrict people from purchasing at a tier that you haven't grinded to already.
Autoloaders have became a plague too...just counted 9, so over half.
Completely agree. You should not be able buy a premium from a tier you have not unlocked in the tech tree.
FV4202 camouflage looks like a Leopard
3:10 Really good idea, hope WG understand and do that.
Its too unfair for new players. They would have had to do that 7 years ago.
This wouldn't change the game. If someone has the possibility to spend 200 euros on crates, he would spend that money anyways on the tank line. This system would support the p2w players with more tanks. But if there were the possibility to grind the premium tanks with only free xp as well, this would be a very good option for f2p players to get their hands on some juicy premium tank. I mean it would be a lot of work, but this would support both side of the players.
Honestly Pantoufleee this would only be good for a very few players. For someone like me, I want all of the tanks so it might work. But if you come into Blitz and want to just play a fun tank, or just get a premium to grind credits and free XP, it would turn away many players who are new and want to try a higher tier tank or like specific tanks from history. Even those who may just like a certain play style like hull down, ambush, or peekaboo.
In your example you would have to get the FV 201 first, then grind it to getthe Action X. But I have all of these tanks and honestly the 201 isn't very good, and even though it's a heavy it really cant block any shots. Hull down is your only hope and that's 50/50 to block anything.
Honestly if I was a new player to Blitz, and they forced me to pay for a premium I didnt want, and even worse that wasn't really exceptional I would complain and ask for my money back.
Combined with having to pay to grind a "premium tank" would really make the game not player friendly.
I would consider myself a "whale" in WOTB but I want all the tanks, tech tree included. I didnt get a premium until after grinding my first tier 10 the AMX 50B.
In the 7 or 8 months I have played I am now up to 9 tech tree tier 10 tanks and it has given me this insight...
Premiums are not the problem, the grind is too long and not fun on most tech tree tanks, and the tanks are often useless until fully upgraded, at which time you are ready to move to the next tier tank.
If the grind was lowered, more people would likely at least try the game. If the tech tree tanks were usable before completely done, many would play them longer. And if you could earn a reasonable amount of credits in a tech tree tank, you would see less premium spam.
I dont see WG changing that anytime soon. But adding more grind for already premium pay? Honestly I would have stopped playing shortly after I started, and for perspective... I have 80 to 90 percent of all premium tanks released in the game so far.
I'm sure you know how much money WG made off of me because i like the tanks.
And i wouldnt have spent it if i still had to grind afterward. At that point I'd rather spend it on my regular WOT account.
Some premiums are toxic, like Smasher and Annihalator... but most are marginally better.
People just spam gold ammo anyway.
Thank you for the videos, they are enjoyable to watch!
What about this: If you want a tier 10 premium, you need to have for example 3 tier 10 tech tree tanks. This also for tier 8,9 whatever. (The 3 is an example, so it would be different for every tier). This makes it that noobs/not experienced players can’t buy higher tier tanks.
Premiums were intended to be credit grinders so you could have an easier time advancing tech trees, They deviated from that vision and they are seeing the effects, premium tanks are past the point of strong at this point, intoxicating queues. Unlike Wargaming, Gaijin hasnt been that stupid and premiums in War Thunder are credit grinders and not WR boosters.
Wg so greedy. Losing any money is losing all money. Never going to happen lmao
I loved the idea, not only does it remove the matchmaking screwed up with only premium tanks, it also prevents people with less than 1k battles from being able to buy a Smasher, or an Annihilator.
And about the re-rolls, honestly, there could be some innovation for older players, like clan wars, or Frontline, and I totally understand they want to do it all over again, but it would be less necessary.If only we had these modes. Brilliant idea Pantouf!
I remeber back in the day when being in a game with a drac was something amazing but now is is most games
Actually instead of Grinding the Premium versions of Specific Tanks they should be locked by a Battle Cap or Lock
Like the most premium Tank Buyers I see have only like less than a 1000 battles the system I had in mind goes like this.
When you get a premium tank by any means your access to play this tank is locked if you haven't had specific amount of battles on your official record
Tier II Prems: 250-300 battles played
Tier III Prems: 300-500 battles played
Tier IV Prems: 500-600 Battles Played
Tier V Prems: 600-750 battles played
Tier VI Prems: 750-900 battles played
Tier VII Prems: 900-1,200 Battles Playrd
Tier VIII Prems: 1,200-1,700 Battles Played
Tier IX Prems: 1,700-2,100 Battles Played
Tier X Prems: 2,100-2,700 Battles Played
Edit: for each tier passed the player must be associated with how these vehicles are meant to be played also the req that I made is just an estimate and is just an example how the system should worj
I'd say this would work only on people with a ton of time and quite money to spend. WG would loose quite a lot of money from casual buyers.
1. Rerolls would not care, they care about stats and often can grind very very fast. Literally with a premium account, boosters, and a lot of time you are on tier 7 or 8 in a day.
2. Casuals would not go through it if it will be limited time as they don't have enough time to grind something like this.
3. Collectors would not care either as they already have everything.
4. Also people which are slowly collecting gold or people who can spare some money from here and there might not buy anything as they would not spend all the money on something they don't want.
I'd say that if people would have 2 options:
Grind a lot, buy the stuff you don't want only to buy something later on something you want.
Or buy crates with the current setup for the what is time and money worth of the grind, most people would go for the crate.
I would do too.
Agree 100%! Especially Free2Play players, getting 50 gold per day and saving it, and the clan reward gold to get a premium. I would feel like I got cheated if WG told me now I have to waste it all on a tank I dont even want...
If this happened then your vehicles wouldn’t be rare anymore
I think one of the main problems wg overlooks is the credit system, take an average player for example, around 48-52% win rate seems reasonable, but if they're playing tech tree tanks then grinding credits becomes tedious and time consuming, enriching their tech tree tanks costs around twice as much as buying an equivalent premium tank tho, so instead of enriching say the tiger 2, and using that to grind credits to buy the e75 or the equipment slots for the e75 they already baught, it's logical to buy the lowe and use that to grind credits instead, it's literally half the price, and above tier 8 you can't permanently enrich tanks at all, so tier 9 and 10 prems are at a huge advantage compared to tech tree tanks at the same tier, if wg would reduce the enriching cost to be comparable to buying a premium of the same tier then maybe people would play tech tree tanks alot more instead of spamming premium tanks, or make the credit system more balanced, because when you go into battle in a bottom tier tank and struggle to pen your opponents and your team looses, that isn't really your fault but that doesn't stop you loosing credits, so to avoid that people spam premiums
My solution would have been to prevent new players from buying tanks till they either get to that same tier or a certain amount of battles. For instance, you wouldn't be able to buy a Tier 6 premium until you get a Tier 6 tech tree tank or until you get, say, 5k battles.
4:00 briliant idea !!!
Not a bad idea ,it’s a shame they couldn’t do a trial period to see how it would work out 🏋️♀️!
3:28 wow, this man enriched every tank from the techtree
He have separate video about finally enriched every single tanks which could be enrichable.
You're right Pantouf
i dont agree, u see i am brazilian so 1 us dollar is equal to = 5R$ (brazilian coin) the super conqueror itself is already rly expensive, considering the average salary is 1100 R$ and the super conqueror + action x + fv would cost probably around 100 USD we would have to spend half of everything we get in the game : and even those with a lot of work don't need to worry about money as much as I do, why would you agree to spend 3 times as much money to finally be able to buy it?, unfortunately this solution will just made people think they are being scammed.
You can get those 3 tanks for 15 dollars right now.
The most stupid thing about premium is that some of them are just reskinned tanks with mostly better stats than tech tree and they make the premium lower tier than the tech tree counterpart
But atleast they look better than those BP reskins
good to know that not all premiums are broken , for example T44-100 is weak and only good to make credits with .
Dude I already fixed this issue two years ago when I proposed implement something that... Surprise, surprise, already exist. From my 20+ years gaming experience, everyone knows that for vehicle games there are Licenses... Thus in WG case you would need to hear certain type of licenses to play Prems on Ranked battles....
Pantoufleee I would always try to match premiums and make them in a line that could be possible for a real tech tree or premium tech tree line
Nice thumbnail Pantouf!
I think they should use the tier coupons for the premiums aswell
its just put the same number of premiums per team, if the team A have 5 premiums, team B must have 5 too, simple. that way will match grinders with grinders, and people making credits with another player making credits
Nahh. I think you are overthinking it Pantouf. With premium tech tree and the necessity of grind for tier X premiums the MM would be even more crowded with premiums. Imagine if the only way of getting the Obj. 260 would be to grind through the obj. 244, the IS-Berlin, and the Object 252U. And then everybody would have a 260 as well. It would be a complete premium overflow.
@Pantoufleee players should always know that any action or choice wargaming makes has pros and cons. You cannot satisfy everyone. However, I agree and fully support your idea. Firstly, if players have to grind for a premium tank they will probably have a better understanding of how the tanks play and as a result they aren't useless bots. Secondly, I would suggest that Wargaming when implementing a new premium tank in the game put it in crates so that the players have a chance to get the tank. After that they should add it to the tech tree and players should be able to buy it in a direct bundle if they fully researched the tech tree counterpart.
Seems like a decent idea but there are too many problems. The first problems I see are the lack of tier 9 and 10 premium tanks and the fact that this system still doesn't stop a player from joining a game and Imediatly buying their way up to tier 10. I could think of at least 10 different systems that would imo work way better and at least could solve the problem partially.
One day no one will play tectree tanks
Just look at t8-t7 mm most of tanks are premium
Sad to say at this rate I agree. I play the tree to grind the tier 10. I will go back later to regain the lower tier, but they often aren't exceptional. I do love my T29 though, kept that around cause it's actually fun hull down lol
@@SterlingBeanz I have to play lower tier.....if u don't have premium account it's Soo expensive......
Even in Asia server morons are in every tier 40% in tier x is sooo annoying
Its not the tank, its the player
What about a premium tech tree bundle?
You get a new line that you still have to grind to but It's easier than a normal line and you get like 4 to 5 premium tank with it and that many garage slots. It would be probably very expensive so the solution is to sell fragments of the line like from tier V or VI to tier VIII. That's 3-4 tanks including a tier VIII what most people play.
Would this be a good idea to add in wotb or not?
i sometimes get a full premium tank team, including myself
My favourite tank type is Artelerie this is why I will play tank company I will play wotblitz only it there is a event that is not so hard and where we can get not just 100K credits I mean events where we get gold or beautiful/rare Camouflages or a (new) premium/collector tank
So a lot of people might play premium tanks because they think they are better, that is true. But why I play them is because of Silver/Credit banks they are. If the regular tanks gave more then and the premiums gave some other advantage i would never have bought as many of them. Funding the lines and making credits is the largest drag in the game. If you want to fix the excess amount of premium players fix this. Also most of the premiums are very situational tanks and so far none are as OP as the PC variants. Most with a good study of their armor you will find there weaknesses and are not to hard to handle in a tech tree tank. No one wants to grind a tech tree line for premiums when that is what the main lines are for. Instead have the premiums become available when you unlock the tech tree counter parts. Example the T34 will unlock when you max out the T29 or the SuperConqueror will unlock when you max the Conqueror. Its not hard to tie the Premiums to tech tree tanks that have a similar play style that would educate the player and help them be competent. So in conclusion make it cost less silver to play or balance the premiums so they have a separate advantage over just the silver banks they are. Yeah this idea is just bad, and ignores the fact that premiums are good often because people that have been playing the game a long time buy them to have something new. People showcase them in videos like this and show the potential so everyone rushes out to get there little credit banks but are not competent players. i agree its a problem but just adding a grind to a grind heavy game is nuts. I also agree that if you don't have a similar tech tree tank then maybe you should not be able to just purchase one. We all know its likely you'll roll around like a nub.
Ngl I feel bad for that E100,
Getting penned in the turret probably hurt
We are kinda used to it since anything can pen it once they use gold and the turret ring is nothin but shit no matter how it's angled
I think that premiums should be based on tech tree tanks, and be a trade off, take the emil 1951 and emil 1.
Emil 1951 has better pen and mobility, at the cost of damage and armor.
Emil 1 has better damage and armor, at the cost of pen and mobility.
So depending on which you value more, depends on whether the premium is an upgrade, or downgrade.
Or pantera and progetto.
Pantera has better pen and top speed at the cost of clip potential.
Progetto has better clip potential at the cost of pen and top speed.
I think that if WG would kinda make it a rule they follow, premiums would never be super OP, but still be fun and a change up from the OG tank, as well as make credits.
Just create a new game mode for non-platoon tech tree only. Then you have more chance of a balanced battle.
The final solution to the premium question?
The only tank we grind using exp is the IS-5 right?
I wish they make an event for the fv201 I just really want it, and the su 122 as well (even if they might not be the best of tanks)
they should probably make events to get some former tech tree premiums for free (the ones that got removed in this update)
Too late….the premium cat is already out of the bag.
Your idea of premium tech tree is great
Comment from india
I have replay with the ISU152 5.2k damage. How can I send it to you?
I have a idea. Make it so that you need a certain amount of xp and gold to get the premium. For example fo the super conquerer you need to pay the normal gold price and need for example 150k xp whether it is combat or free xp
When wg hear someone talking about money WG:
Alright let's high the price but not change anything just high the price
I like the way it is atm,dont see why it need change(just dont overpower the tanks to much for they tier)
premium tank is not the problem, match making is
how much gold is the 50TP once you reach 700 clan pionts i have 693 and if i hit 700 iam just gonna buy it so pls tell me
Nice idea, but falls apart at Tier IX
My idea, Makes all premiums can be purchase by Free XP… basically git gud and get the tank
Yea and wargaming delets the game because they earn nothing
does anyone know what the next tank is gonna be on the shop?
What about the tier 9 action x?
I hope we can buy more premiums for gold
I don’t think this idea would work, why do I have to buy 5 premiums before I can buy a super conqueror like that’s a lot of money
yeah it's big brain time >w
Doesn't address the issue of people already having the premiums, not knowing the basics but still playing. A more efficient method would be to penalize poor performance. Eg. Take any tank in the game, take the per shot avg dmg(or even the lowest possible penetration damage of AP) and multiply it by 4. If dmg done isn't equal or greater, no xp or credits earned only costs paid. Doesn't matter if using a premium/collector or tech tree tank.. Maybe even a fine too. Within a month people will be moving to lower tiers. The stubborn ones will have to use gold to equip their tanks. Win-win. We get less 300-400 dmg, dead in 1st min teams and WG sells more gold. On the other hand, monetise spotting and assisted dmg. Right now, why should a light take a risk and move up to spot when the td gets the kill and dmg? Want to stop Campers? There's a distance travelled counter. Use it. You camp a corner in a light or heavy being no use to the team, you don't earn anything.
I like that idea :)
Where can I download Tank Company?🤔🤔🤔
Uhhhh.... no. If I am buying premium tanks, finally, after years of playing and I finally have the ability to get enough gold to buy the premiums, I really don't want restrictions on if I can or can't buy or play it. I would think this would cause people to flee to Tank Company. Is that your tactic, sir?
T1 heavy - M6 - M6A2E1 - M6A2E1 Exp, idk the 9 and 10 though
it is a good idea but i got by my self 5 premium tanks.
name of your mod in tech tree?
solution is so fucking simple hire a team that can buff tech tree tanks equaly
78% my tanks are premium and collectors
imagine this: ur a f2p player and wg just gave u an order where you can get 3 days of premium and a collect em all container. you complete the order and open your container and you get a cheiftan! oop too bad you cant have it bcz u didnt spend money to be able to get the tanks before it. :/
What Premium problem? I play with tech tree tanks in tier 8 and lose a lot. Ofc Imma play with Premium....
He meant that the game is starting to get too saturated with prems I believe, slowly becoming like WOT PC
@Dev Katyusha in the comments have a superb idea who seems like u but a little different and with less restrictions :
Grind the tech tree line until the tank u want and after u can unlock the premium version 🔥🔥🔥💪
How about u grind tank and then instead of paying full price once u get let's say 300K exp with A45 u can get Action X for half of price in gold ofc
ohh i have like 150k xp on A45 i hope it will be implemented
Actualy this a great idea im a F2P and i got all the premuim tanks for or from crates for free so i like this idea but i also play wotb from the begining and premuims are becoming a big problem i agree with that.
the main problem is that WG won't nerf premium tanks although a nerf is much needed. I do understand why they are not nerfing premiums but the game is losing its players because of OP premiums besides some other aspects like bad matchmaking.
More problem if player platoon with those premium tanks, like double Obj252U, double Chimera, or double Defenders
Wargaming take notes...
I doubt it
Interesting
Never happen, it`s a business. Only thing they can do is make it that ther are equal tanks on both sides.
How about we do keep the idea.... But only for the average premiums
The one's like the action x, annihilator etc.... Does not come in this tech tree only the not great nor bad premiums
It will not only help people to get credits, but wargaming to get money while also keeping the match making balanced
I am not subscribe but I was notified
When 8.4?
Guys what about Chieftain mk6 in making credits ?