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@history calling. What did you think of the series that Lucy Wolseley did on the 6 wives? Found it interesting that she gives the view that Catherine was abused by most most of the men in her life and might have being groomed by Culpepper. Which is way she took terrible risks.
Oh anything Lucy does is always worth the watch in my opinion. Yes, I think what Katherine went through would now be classed as grooming. I'll do a video on her fall at some point and go into it in more detail.
@@HistoryCalling I am obsessed with all things Tudor, especially, Anne Boleyn. In this case, however, I was a bit surprised, to hear that Katherine's speech was far different than I heard and what I just learned makes complete and utter sense. Thank you.
History Calling; From what I understood is that you can "fixate" your own comment so that it stays at the top of the list. Just a tip so that your question doesn't get lost in the list of comments.
In every recount I’ve heard about Catherine Howard strangely requesting the chopping block to be brought to her room, I don’t consider it strange at all. She likely found it comforting knowing and feeling what the block would be like in her last moments. It’s the one thing she would be able to prepare herself for as she went to the unknown
I don't think it's strange, either. That someone so young would have the forethought to request such a thing is both morbid and admirable. It gave her some degree of control, which is something the poor little thing sorely lacked not just in her marriage to Henry but her entire life following the death of her parents.
Anne was safe in one respect, and that was being a foreign princess. Had any real harm come to her, Henry would have angered the German states and just about every Protestant ruler in Europe. And, despite coming from a Protestant duchy, Anne was still technically a subject of the Holy Roman Emperor (of which Cleves was a part despite its rebelliousness), and Charles was the most powerful man in the world.
Anne of Cleves actually was a smart woman. Even after her divorce, she remained friends with Henry and she became the richest woman in England at the time.
Anne was certainly innocent, but Catherine? I think she was the victim of child sexual abuse, but not by Henry. She was Not a 'child' as is commonly accepted, she was between 19-21. Quite mature by the measures of the day. She strikes me as either being blackmailed by her former abusers or dense. Either way it Is tragic. because it is illogical. If she had played it differently she could have lived in luxury for the rest of her natural. What she did was crazy, by any standard. Which is why I tend to the opinion she was Still being used. Culpepper was a really nasty piece of work, a rapist and suspected of murder. We are not talking Romeo and Juliet here, although that is how people like to see it. the Real story is far more intriguing What were they up to? He had a . very privileged job, she was Queen, why risk it all for a fumble in the dark or a quick 'wham bam thank you mam?'
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 I agree with you except that I believe Katherine was both naive and blinded by her 'good luck at being queen with all the privileges that comes with it. She was, young and dumb, not her fault, but there it is.
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Catherine was definitely much younger than your claim which is why her skeleton decomposed. As for her sexual experiences, she was only too aware of her cousin Anne Boleyn’s fate for not giving Henry a son. I’ve no doubt she was desperate to get pregnant, considering Henry not only had gout by then, his leg had an ulcerated wound that wouldn’t heal. If he could muster an erection, it likely didn’t last long. Being not much more than a child herself, she likely thought (probably encouraged by Lady Rochford), she’d be safe if she could just get pregnant by any means, since there was no way Henry was going to father a child in his state. It’s a miracle he didn’t die sooner of sepsis.
I would have been terrified if Henry VIII was attracted to me. Pretty much a guaranteed death sentence, especially if you couldn’t provide a male heir.
@@HistoryCalling I’ve read that some people speculated that he may have had syphilis, which in turn he then passed it on to his partners resulting in their difficulties to bear healthy children. Do you think there could be in any truth to that theory?
I see Ama has already given you a really good answer to this question, so I'll just quickly say that I agree he probably didn't have syphilis and hope at some point to do a video on he and his first three wives fertility issues (or lack thereof - we shall see!)
@@HistoryCalling I completely agree regarding syphilis and Henry. He didn't have it. He may of had a rhesus blood type, causing His Wives to miscarry, (as the Women's bodies immune system rejects the fetus due to this blood type). Considering Katherine's of Aragon's inbreeding, and fairly close kinship to Henry..any offspring could of had a plethora of health issues. Sadly, it's widely accepted that miscarriage can be the Female bodies way of not bringing an unhealthy fetus to term,( although this won't always be the case and, I don't wish to upset anyone by sounding insensitive) As I've said in other comment's- the pressure on these poor Women to conceive was enough to make them ill,in itself. I look forward to the new video very much H.C!!! :) ✨
@@TheOnlyElle. I think the only kibosh on the rhesus theory, which several authors had pointed out was that Mary survived and technically Katherine did have two babies who survived birth but they simply lost on the whole "surviving your infancy game" during that era. And as much as victim blaming as this sounds, Katherine had also been known to fast so much that it affected her menstrual cycle and I think the stress and grief from so many deaths of her babies, stillborn or no, must have expounded on that. And I wonder if Anne's age (if we go by the 1501 date, she was 32 and considered to be old at that time of Elizabeth's birth), also worked against her and also made her subsequent pregnancies after Elizabeth incredibly stressful, especially if she had that Christmas miscarriage. I also think even if he didn't reject Anne of Cleves so thoroughly or even if Katherine Howard was not executed then these two who have a hell lot of time getting pregnant due to Henry's physical condition. But because Edward exists maybe Henry would be less inclined to toss them aside, hell that's why Catherine Parr survived as long as she did but she never once got pregnant by him. If I had to blame his sudden lack of children, I'd blame the jousting incident that caused his leg wounds that prevented him from exercising as much as he once did, leading to his physical deterioration.
I feel genuinely sorry for Catherine Howard. She was a Child Bride for a start! She had also been abused and groomed by much older Men, for most of Her short life.. It seems to Me, even Henry's servant's & Church Elders felt very sorry for Catherine. They even seem to be attempting to sway Henry against killing Her. We can clearly see this when We look at the wording & manner, in which these Servant's wrote&reported back to Henry, regarding Catherine's plight.. Every report acknowledging, even highlighting, Catherine's grief & Her pitiful, penitent state. It seems everyone involved in Catherine's care felt sorry for Her situation, everyone except Henry, of course!! Poor Catherine, another pawn used up by the Tyrant King, Henry
She was hardly a child, she was between 17 and 19 years old in a time of history where the average lifespan was less than 45 years. I suggest doing some real research and learn what really happened instead of believing RUclips and its very unvetted information. Henry Vlll was far from being a tyrant compared to other countries Kings and rulers at the time. Go look at what the inquisition did to people, look at what was done to people in North Africa by the Arab rulers. Henry was an amateur compared to real tyrants. At the time England had the most advanced legal system anywhere in Europe. Henry was reigned in by Parliament and the church even though he was the head of said church. Never mind that he suffered from a debilitating leg injury in which bone splinters were taken out of leg from 1536 till the end of his life. Also he more than likely had a bruised cerebral cortex after the jousting accident in which he was unconscious for over two hours. That same accident is where the leg injury was made worse. So his behavior did become erratic, there was no modern medicine, nothing for pain and doctors who were just learning small things about anatomy. You add it all up it's a wonder he lived and functioned on any level. 1536 was the year all this occurred and also coincided with Ann Boleyns downfall. Hell look what chronic pain does to people now . Also we know he was diabetic by the mid 1530s well early stages . So anyway we all have opinions but I always say an educated opinion is best. Peace
@@eac1235 Excellent stuff! Thx for bringing it. Politically, I agree that Henry VIII far from from the most despotic this world has endured. However, within the realm of all matters matrimonial, ... yeah, he was pretty bad. At least as I see it. But my knowledge of all relevant facts is admittedly quite limited. Thanks Again! I do prefer having more and diverse viewpoints to consider. 👍 ~ TD, Boston
@marie-curie6645 This is not a justification, but rather an explanation. Outside of the standard sexism, adultery on a husband's side is different from one on a wife's. In both cases its bad, and has the possibility of producing a child. But before DNA tests there were few reliable ways to determine the biological father. A nobleman's child out of wedlock will generally not inherit his father's title. But a woman's child was legally her husband's. For a king's wife to cheat, if she has a child by another man, her child is in the line of succession, a form of 'usurpation' as the child has no right to the throne if their biological father wasn't the king. And, unfortunately, by the standards of the time that's treason.
The average lifespan of that Time, from what I understand, was 40 or 50 years for most people. I could have misunderstood though. My point is, in the eyes of back then Katherine was not a child. Though I don't condone them putting her to death, she had to know what the penalty was for treason.
@@kerrypeters4724 I'm saying that "In the eyes of back then" Katherine was not a child. She absolutely is in today's eyes, because we live longer, and the rate that people are maturing is much slower, but I agree, She was mistreated. Though she cheated, I understand why. Henry was old and womanizing and an abuser. I am absolutely not condoning anything that happened to her.
He had children executed routinely, from numerous sources I've read. Look at the massacre due to the Northern uprising. Thousands of men, women and children were executed on scaffolds erected there.... and all on psycho Henry's express orders.
@Morgan Miller: even a generation later, Shakespeare wrote in Romeo and Juliet that “younger than you are wives and mothers made” nurse to Juliet. (Ps I’m agreeing with you)
I just adore your channel. Your devoted attention to credible sources, your obvious passion for the subject matter, your style of delivery, even your voice and cadence itself are your biggest strengths. You are set apart from all the other channels I follow because of your integrity, your devotion to the most credible and accurate sources of information and also your commitment to only use confirmed photos (and always giving credit for them!). All I can say is I’m addicted to your channel and am looking forward to watching you grow! Keep at it, you’re wonderful, my new favorite channel!
Thank you so much. It's always lovely to get a comment from someone who appreciates all the hard work behind the scenes as I think some people don't realise how difficult and time consuming it can be.
Such brave women! How anybody could keep their composure in such circumstances is beyond me. No doubt the strength of their religious faith helped them as they met their end.
Yes, it helped kill them. Henry learned very early with Katherine (his first wife) that the Catholic faith was a real burden for him to rid himself of unwanted wives. Much easier to accuse your wife of unfaithfulness then it's a simple kangaroo court and predetermined execution to clear the way for the next victim (Umm.. Wife).
@@TheGoofy1932 People got executed in those days for all kinds of things. Their final moments and words do differ from those of today. Of course religion had something to do with that.
@@TheGoofy1932 Katherine was guilty of treason, which was punishable by death. It wasn't just personal treason against Henry, it was treason against the country and everyone in it.
@@charlottekey8856 WRONG ! people were executed for felonies or for high treason ! beheading was only for the high class as it was seen a quicker death then hanging / burning alive / hang draw and quarted . death penalty for all felonies carried on until the 1800s where there after capital felonies become less and less . Felony and midermeaour were replaced in 1967
It was a very different time. People knew what they were doing, the risks and the consequences. Henry may well have been a tyrant in the way be behaved at times but not all around him were saints.
@@mrelano65 I totally agree with you. Henry wasn't always a tyrant, he started out as a pretty good king, but 1536 changed all that! With the horrific jousting accident that smashed all his frontal lobe in which fully effected his behavior and his whole mental status. Then there was another miscarriage from Anne Boleyn that lead him to believe that Anne wasn't the one to give him a son, by then he was already seeing one of Anne's Ladies-in-waiting, to to her fall and ultimate trumped up charges for treason, incest and plotting to kill the king, which then finally, sadly and tragically ended with her beheading on 19th May 1536! May she rest in peace 🕊️✨ So Henry hadn't been a full on tyrant, and imagine living with that compound fracture which turned in to a festering open wound on his leg which would be extremely painful, there was no cure for that kind of serious wound back then. Also having to always seen to be a kingly figure back then, so much was on his shoulders, of course that doesn't excuse the horrible things he did. I'm jus agreeing with Marcos Relano, times were very very different back in the 16th century.
@@tessat338 agree to disagree, Dudley was conspiring against the King, didn't you know, a lot of Dudleys were executed for treason, I never said he wasn't a tyrant, I just said he wasn't as bad as he was in his later years, and treason was punishible by death back then, times were so much different back then... absolute power corrupts absolutely!!!!
I have always felt very sorry for Katherine Howard. She was young and naive. That being her only true crime, what did Henry expect? He took a young girl who was not ignorant of men's attentions and raised her to the highest office in the land. Henry must have been repulsive to her. She was starved for true affection and high on her new found power. Henry was nothing but an old lech who had no business pointing his finger at anyone. He should of confined her to a convent if anything, not condemn her to death. May she rest in peace and find the eternal happiness that was denied to her in her short life, in the Lord's presence.
It amazes me how all of these women wish the king well, and confess to “sins” against him. It reminds me of nobles in the Korean Kingdom willingly drinking poison as a form of execution. I guess to protect those left behind it was the awful choice they needed to make.
I suspect they do this because they know their family might suffer from the king's wrath after the execution if he takes a dislike to their comments. They are leaving the world so try to protect their relatives from any harm caused by their death.
It has a lot to do with dying well, it was important to not die with a curse on your lips, that was considered sinful in and of itself. When one was at the point of death, one was supposed to have come to terms with your Maker, so evil thoughts were not appropriate.
I just love how you're doing these videos...as accurate as possible, and giving viewers information on the difficult circumstances surrounding each person . I think you're doing a wonderful job! 😊
@@marie-curie6645 I think you have misunderstood, she is not talking about Queen Anne Boleyn but about her sister in law, Jane, Lady Rochford widow Anne's brother George. Sorry if this comes too late for you to change your mind.
Given the accounts of the horrendous smell emanating from Henry's festering leg wound from the jousting accident in 1527, it must have taken a very strong constitution for his wives to get anywhere near him.
These two ladies died with courage and dignity, like so many before them, thank you as always your chanel is one of the best history has always been my favourite subject.
I have always loved Tudor history, and am so pleased to have instilled that interest in my granddaughter. Your videos are so well researched and we both enjoy them; thank you so much.
I recently learned that lady Jane rochford (Boleyn) is an ancestor of mine a great aunt. Her brother Henry Parker is my direct ancestor grt grandfather, so I have been researching all about the Tudor reign & particular lady rochfords life & family. Thank you for the video.
I'd be very much interested in seeing the results of any research you do into this, particularly sources, genealogical documents etc. Do keep us posted.
The YT algorithm done did good when showing me this channel. I binged your Tudor and Romanov family vids yesterday and now I'm gonna go back and check out the other ones. Wonderful work and I can't wait for more!
You obviously have passion for this subject, and you present it thoroughly and with integrity. Your voice is extremely soothing as well! I’ve never been very interested in this period of history, but I’m invested now. Please keep up the good work!
She was guilty of treason ! She was convicted by the laws of the day ,which Parliament had written and unanimously agreed upon. Hell I say she should have been banished to a nunnery, but it wasn't my call or anyone else Monday morning quarterbacking a situation that can't be changed, it was 500 years ago . The men involved Dearham and Culpepper got what they deserved and so did Jane Rochford, she aided and conspired to commit treason.
So difficult to imagine that a teenage queen should meet her end in such a barbaric way. Henry was such a coward since he liked to have other people do his dirty work.
Agreed. I think it imperative to make people who do despicable things deal with their deispicable behaviors, and with themselves as a whole. I like how you shined a light on the fact that Henry, in predictable fashion, kept his own hands clean by delegating the dirty (gruesome) work to others. "Well, sorry, dude, ... your hands are NOT clean. They're soaked in Blood. And it's my duty to make sure you know that ... and that you're paying for it .. by whatever means." Excellent Comment! ~ TD, Boston
@@jdbolynhoward8557 Pretty much, yes. I think Big Red saw everyone in terms of their functionality ... and only their functionality. Unfortunately, Wives who (that(?)) proved unservicable or inconvenient in some way could not simply be returned to AMAZON for credit toward next acquisition. So, ... (Chop ... Hack ... Rinse ... Repeat). What a swell guy!
Only thing is I wonder for his emotion for Anne as she stood her ground before bedding I would imagine as he changed the entire path as far as religions go
@@jdbolynhoward8557 In re: the Religion issue. The lore is that Fat Bastard (Henry VIII) threw off the Catholic Church to marry his beloved Anne Bolyn. However, the more I learn about said Henry, the more inclined I am to believe that the marriage may have been more of a pretense to justify the execution of his true will & desire: Confiscation of all property holdings (real & personal) of the Catholic Church then situated on British soil. By my estimation, about 20% - 25% of all real estate and loose "stuff" (a lot of it gold, retrieved from the New World by the Spanish Conquistadors ... ahem) were wholly owned assets of Catholic Church, Ltd. Once all the land, buildings and gold were seized & secured in the British Throne, Anne, her true purpose having been satisfied, was summarily dispensed with. Sound cynical? I just made out (loosely) what's called a "prima facie" case, shifting the burden on any naysayers to prove otherwise. Whattaya think, Counsel?
It's ironic really that he complained about some of his wives cheating (which I don't think they did) and yet he cheated all the time. Such double standards!
@@HistoryCalling Yes he was a cheater and just a bad guy most of the time...but his daughter Elizabeth the First( his daughter by Anne) was a great Queen and ruler for decades so in a way Anne had the the last laugh.
@@HistoryCalling I agree on the double standards topic but, being interested in history's personalities...let's say Alfred the Great set the bar on tolerance: If Alfred tried to promote equality in terms of languages and peoples because presumably he believed that to be the best way to unite England, was Elizabeth I not a divider when it came to religion? Granted, Alfred was less tolerant when it came to religion (than other cultural matters) also but, come on, that would have been 750 years in the past during Elizabeth's reign. So was Elizabeth I really a great queen? Was she, like Alfred, trying to do her best within the confines of her (father's) religion? I was watching a discussion between some actors behind historical fiction The Last Kingdom (Saxon England vs Danelaw) and one who plays Æthelwold, Alfred's nephew who had claim to the throne of Wessex through his father Æthelred I, stated that the debates around Alfred have come again to the fore of public discussion and that the show - while not something to take answers from - was pertinent to today in some respects. I found this interesting. P.S. Excuse the hand.
There's a reason for that....a cheating queen may bear an heir not of the king's bloodline. It was considered "interfering with the succession to the throne." On the other hand, a cheating king makes no difference, even if there are children resulting, because only the queen can bear heirs. To put it in "The Godfather" terms: It's nothing personal, just business.
It's always rubbed me wrong that this women die at Henry's orders, and their last words are well wishes to the man who has pretty much either fabricated or exagerated their offences to be rid of them. It's like having a battered wife in a shelter claiming the man who beat her black and blue and landed her there is a wonderful, loving individual. It's a blow to the soul
Their last words praising Henry, I heard, was to protect any living relatives of the accused. If they had protested their innocence or blamed Henry for their situation, Henry, could have, and probably would have, retaliated by stripping the relatives of their titles and lands or worse.
I read somewhere that he was well known for pardoning people up to the moment of execution, he stretched it out to remind people of his power. Perhaps they were hoping for a pardon?
There is an incredible book called fatal throne, it actually highlights each of Henry's wives and it's written in their point of view. It's really really good, I'm not sure how historically accurate it is but it's definitely more historically accurate than other books by other authors of the time period.
Another brilliant video and well done. Your channel is wonderful and you have such a wealth of knowledge here. Thank you so much for all the enlightening historical information. Looking forward to watching more of your videos in future.
well most monarchies have died out because of wars. i'm an average citizen who would have been part of a royal family is the stuarts had stayed in power.i also found out anne boleyn was my 1st cousin 14 times removed and catherine h and p were something great aunts.
@@toriacrouse2449 well the royal stuart bloodline didn’t really die out because of wars most of the stuarts that had any real claim to the throne after Queen Anne died were looked over only because they were catholic. That’s really the only reason why the Hanoverian/Windsor’s are in “power” today. In fact I guarantee that had England not have added the rule that no Catholics can sit on the throne post king James II rule, the stuarts would probably still be ruling to this day
I am so glad that I stumbled across your channel! You and Dr. Kat from Reading the Past have become my two favorite History RUclips! I have been really interested in history lately, specifically Tudor history, so I absolutely love how in depth you are with them!
I read somewhere once that why these women spoke so openly on the scaffold they were guilty and the king wasn't a bad guy was a way to protect family members from the kings wrath. Is this true?
Certainly interesting. You’ve inspired me to start the draft of a story, with one chapter having an association with the killings of these innocents. Whatever the so-called rights or wrongs, Howard was a child and an innocent of their times. Thank you so much for bringing these to life again, as real people with real lives. As I’m visiting the Tower of London soon, I will remember these unfortunate victims of the tyrannical King, who’s only gift to our world was Elizabeth.
I love how you site creditable sources, but also add sideline information that’s been spewed. Your channel has dignity towards recorded facts and works of fiction. This is important in an age where some believe anything they’re told, instead of researching. Thank you for all your work.
Gee she was not even an adult. Of course she was acting like that. If the tudors had an accuracy, it seemed the king was too busy for her. She was a bored teen and was supposed to act like an adult. Ugh.
Yes, they were all inter-related. The English royal family was never as in-bred as some of the continental royals, but they did usually share some common ancestors.
It’s also so funny that men blamed women for not providing a male heir when it’s the sperm that makes the sex! I’d love to go back and tell them all this lol
@@kasie680 Don't, whatever you do, go back to that horrid time! you would be accused of treason for blaming the "sacred male king" and executed!!!!I I would have loved to tell them that god is a woman:) he he. But I won't bother...
I love your videos! I’ve only just recently found your channel but I really appreciate the effort you go to to find reliable sources for the information you’re sharing! Also, reading through the comments I’m so sorry you have to put up with some of the people trying to correct you when you are already correct.
Thanks Kay, I appreciate you noticing the effort the videos take, as I'm not sure everyone does. Yes, some people can be a little daft, but I knew I'd run into that when I started this channel, so I'll just delete anyone who's very annoying and/or offensive. :-)
Don't normally watch videos on Katherine Howard. I find them really hard to watch. Such a young girl that was abused by terrible men. Thank you this was interesting and well done
Love your channel, so interesting and well done! Despite my thinking I know so much Tudor history, I inevitably learn something new with every one of your videos.
I loved this video and how you addressed likely false accounts with primary sources that could be trusted. I still had the Tudors portrayal in my head (albeit without the Culpepper pronouncement).
According to genealogy studies, Henry VIII was my 13th great grand uncle….these woman are all ancestors of mine. I for one would love to see their remains studied, their identities returned, and then their remains given proper reburial.
@@HistoryCalling You are SUPER talented!! These videos are really fantastic. Incredibly well researched, some of the best research I think I've ever seen on RUclips. You're very well spoken & easily understood, and your voice is quite pleasant. I really enjoy the images you select. It certainly helps that Tudor England in particular is a special interest of mine. It's just really excellent content ♡
@@HistoryCalling I adore it! I find it super endearing ♡ I really think this will be such a popular channel! It really is some of the best research work I've seen done on the subject, and I've consumed endless hours of content on this subject in particular. If you told me that you were a professional researcher or historian or history professor, I would absolutely believe that.
Thank you :-) That's lovely of you to say. I prefer (at the moment at least) to keep my life mostly private as there are so many nasties on the internet and I like my privacy, but I don't think it's giving too much away to confirm that you're correct that I've worked in academia for a number of years.
Very sad.. like many stories of English Queens! Only discovered this channel today (I will be planting my Flag and claiming it for myself!) and spent waaaay too much time binge watching! 😁 Lots of interesting human interest details that can be forgotten in historical events. All told with a clear, beautiful, friendly voice. 😎👍
This is a fantastic channel. I am enjoying it very much! I’m a new subscriber. Do you think you could do a video on some stories that came out of the Tudor palace on special occasions or any accounts for that matter. Maybe discuss what that Queen was like in interaction. Also could you tell us how many people King Henry the VII killed? Also his daughter Mary and why they killed them? Also share any poignant stories. Maybe go live & do a story time w some time for a few questions? Thank you for sharing so many details above the lives of the kings and queens of Europe. It is an impressive undertaking and you are fantastic at research! 🦋💗
i was always obsessed with the tudor dynasty. now i know why i found out recently anne b was a 1st cousin 14 times removed. catherine h and catherine p were something great aunts of mine. so sad what happened to anne and catherine.
@@HistoryCalling yes im also related to Mary queen of Scots as I'm a direct descendent of king James IV and V Stuart. As well as the current prince's of Britain through princess Dianas line. I was always obsessed with royals now I'm more obsessed with learning more.
Hi, I really like Tudor history and your channel is really good,was there really actual evidence of Katherine Howard and Tom culpepper having a affair or was it trumped up charges again?
Margaret & her brother really got the worst treatment of all. I have always felt sorry for the life they lead. Bad enough to have the parents they had, then to loose them both, & get put into the household of Henry VII & live in fear that he’d remember who you were & the threat to his kingship! Living life on a powder keg! Curious. Was Teddy “slow”? Lacking full faculties? It was made to seem so in at least one fiction book I read. TU
Very interesting. Naturally the modern adaptation of the story need a juicy storyline, that's why it was so easy to convince people that Catherine said something so preposterous, but we must remember she was barely 16, and terrified. I doubt if she could speak at all. As for Jane boleyn I don't think she ever repented for what she did to her husband or her sister in law. She was jealous and jealousy does make people do things they can't believe they would do...
I should do a video on Jane at some stage actually, as I actually don't know enough about her life at the moment to really comment on what happened between her, George and Anne. I'm sure she'd be an interesting subject though. Thanks for watching :-)
The accusation that Jane Boleyn accused her brother and his wife only seems to have surfaced some decades after she died. I am aware of no contemporary evidence for it--she didn't testify or submit evidence at either trial, and no mentions her in connection with the accusation, as far as I know. We also know very little about the Boleyns' marriage, either good or bad, so we don't know if she was jealous. And accusing her husband, which would lead to a charge of treason, would not have been in her interest, as he, and thus she, would forfeit their property. She was reduced to penury for some time after George's death.
I’ve got a question? ( I feel like I’m back at school) so when they were talking to her, could she have gotten out of trouble by admitting her and Dereham had been hand-fasted before she married Henry? The Tudor’s show alluded to that and I don’t have enough experience to know how to check that. The whole season with her freaked me out. The actress who played her looked so young.
I don't know whether or not they would have called it hand-fasting, but yes, theoretically if she and Dereham had agreed to marry, or that they were married and had then slept together, then they would have been man and wife and Katherine couldn't have been guilty of adultery against the King. Even had she claimed this though, I'm sure some other reason would have been found to kill her. Henry actually had his marriage to Anne Boleyn annulled, yet she was still executed on charges which included adultery, which makes no sense. I don't think Katherine was ever going to get out of this unfortunately. Henry wasn't the forgiving type :-(
I am still skeptical of a lot of my studies! My introduction begins from a Novel on Princess Elizabeth! I have looked at Her as A Character of a wild Royal story! Guess it was the Baptist Methodist upbringing! Thank-You!
When she was taken into a holding cell, the whole night, she practiced how to lay her head on the block so that it could be a clean cut. An inexperienced axeman was chosen to execute her and he lodged the axe in her back twice before getting her head. I dont know if this correct fully but if this is true then this makes her death a lot more worse than we think it is. :(
The bit about practising with the block the night before is correct. I've never seen a primary source suggesting the axeman was inexperienced or botched the execution however.
I couldn't tell your saying JANE I'm wondering wth my ears over over over I'm not daft or deaf I'll be used to your accent after all your videos......... I love this history series thank you so much.
Yeah, no standardised spelling at all really until at least the 18th century. It makes reading original manuscripts (often also in terrible handwriting and filled with abbreviations) a real hoot! :-)
About Katherine bones, I read somewhere that the "delicate ones" (I.E Anne's) could've been hers, as the age/date could be inaccurate. Part of me really hopes that her bones are there, just rearranged or moved because more people were interred there (as there was someone else burried below the bones thought to be Anne Boleyn's). Otherwise, I'd be so sad because she deserves to have something left for us to remember her by.
I would like to have discussions about who the executioners were who did the deed of ending the lives of the queens and nobles in the Tudor times. Were they part of the royal guards or royal army? I think this would be interesting conversation.
Henry VIII - described once as the Tudor Stalin. And an Italian princess did say that she would only marry Henry if she had a spare head (that was after Katherine's execution). And Sir Anthony Robinson (AKA Baldrick in the Blackadder series) in one of his series on English cathedrals, describes the period of the dissolution of the monasteries under Henry as the worst period of vandalism in English history. And what did Henry do with the loot so obtained? Squandered it all on his ultimately futile wars with France.
Ah, you're thinking of Christina of Denmark, Duchess of Milan. Yes, she said that when Henry was wife hunting in between Jane Seymour and Anne of Cleves. I've always really admired her guts in saying it. I'm sure lots of other women were thinking much the same thing! :-)
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My point exactly, Katherine was so dangerously naive!
@history calling. What did you think of the series that Lucy Wolseley did on the 6 wives? Found it interesting that she gives the view that Catherine was abused by most most of the men in her life and might have being groomed by Culpepper. Which is way she took terrible risks.
Oh anything Lucy does is always worth the watch in my opinion. Yes, I think what Katherine went through would now be classed as grooming. I'll do a video on her fall at some point and go into it in more detail.
@@HistoryCalling I am obsessed with all things Tudor, especially, Anne Boleyn. In this case, however, I was a bit surprised, to hear that Katherine's speech was far different than I heard and what I just learned makes complete and utter sense. Thank you.
History Calling; From what I understood is that you can "fixate" your own comment so that it stays at the top of the list. Just a tip so that your question doesn't get lost in the list of comments.
I've always admired Anne of Cleves. She showed amazing good sense and steered a masterful course through the turbulent water that was Henry's court.
Me too :-)
Thank God she had the good sense to realize that she did not need him or any husband and ended up living longer and happier than any of his wives.
@@marlenaElena83 AND she's the only one of the 6 wives who is interred at Westminster Abbey!
@Nellie Ede Good thing they didn't, that might have saved her life you know!
She is my favourite. I've seen paintings of her and she looks quite nice.
In every recount I’ve heard about Catherine Howard strangely requesting the chopping block to be brought to her room, I don’t consider it strange at all. She likely found it comforting knowing and feeling what the block would be like in her last moments. It’s the one thing she would be able to prepare herself for as she went to the unknown
I don't think it's strange, either. That someone so young would have the forethought to request such a thing is both morbid and admirable. It gave her some degree of control, which is something the poor little thing sorely lacked not just in her marriage to Henry but her entire life following the death of her parents.
Anne of Cleves really dodged a bullet
...or an axe.
Yup, she made the right choice.
Anne was safe in one respect, and that was being a foreign princess. Had any real harm come to her, Henry would have angered the German states and just about every Protestant ruler in Europe. And, despite coming from a Protestant duchy, Anne was still technically a subject of the Holy Roman Emperor (of which Cleves was a part despite its rebelliousness), and Charles was the most powerful man in the world.
Anne of Cleves actually was a smart woman. Even after her divorce, she remained friends with Henry and she became the richest woman in England at the time.
Better Henry's sister than Henry's wife, any day. lol
I dont think any of his wives were guilty of anything He just got rid of them for a new model and to sire a male He was a monster !!!
Anne was certainly innocent, but Catherine? I think she was the victim of child sexual abuse, but not by Henry. She was Not a 'child' as is commonly accepted, she was between 19-21. Quite mature by the measures of the day. She strikes me as either being blackmailed by her former abusers or dense. Either way it Is tragic. because it is illogical. If she had played it differently she could have lived in luxury for the rest of her natural. What she did was crazy, by any standard. Which is why I tend to the opinion she was Still being used. Culpepper was a really nasty piece of work, a rapist and suspected of murder. We are not talking Romeo and Juliet here, although that is how people like to see it. the Real story is far more intriguing What were they up to? He had a . very privileged job, she was Queen, why risk it all for a fumble in the dark or a quick 'wham bam thank you mam?'
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 I agree with you except that I believe Katherine was both naive and blinded by her 'good luck at being queen with all the privileges that comes with it. She was, young and dumb, not her fault, but there it is.
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Catherine was definitely much younger than your claim which is why her skeleton decomposed. As for her sexual experiences, she was only too aware of her cousin Anne Boleyn’s fate for not giving Henry a son. I’ve no doubt she was desperate to get pregnant, considering Henry not only had gout by then, his leg had an ulcerated wound that wouldn’t heal. If he could muster an erection, it likely didn’t last long. Being not much more than a child herself, she likely thought (probably encouraged by Lady Rochford), she’d be safe if she could just get pregnant by any means, since there was no way Henry was going to father a child in his state. It’s a miracle he didn’t die sooner of sepsis.
@@hogwashmcturnip8930 Very intriguing! Certainly NOT a Romeo & Juliet scenaro. Not even close.
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@@dianetheisen8664 Yep.
I would have been terrified if Henry VIII was attracted to me. Pretty much a guaranteed death sentence, especially if you couldn’t provide a male heir.
Same here :-)
@@HistoryCalling I’ve read that some people speculated that he may have had syphilis, which in turn he then passed it on to his partners resulting in their difficulties to bear healthy children. Do you think there could be in any truth to that theory?
I see Ama has already given you a really good answer to this question, so I'll just quickly say that I agree he probably didn't have syphilis and hope at some point to do a video on he and his first three wives fertility issues (or lack thereof - we shall see!)
@@HistoryCalling I completely agree regarding syphilis and Henry. He didn't have it. He may of had a rhesus blood type, causing His Wives to miscarry, (as the Women's bodies immune system rejects the fetus due to this blood type). Considering Katherine's of Aragon's inbreeding, and fairly close kinship to Henry..any offspring could of had a plethora of health issues. Sadly, it's widely accepted that miscarriage can be the Female bodies way of not bringing an unhealthy fetus to term,( although this won't always be the case and, I don't wish to upset anyone by sounding insensitive) As I've said in other comment's- the pressure on these poor Women to conceive was enough to make them ill,in itself. I look forward to the new video very much H.C!!! :) ✨
@@TheOnlyElle. I think the only kibosh on the rhesus theory, which several authors had pointed out was that Mary survived and technically Katherine did have two babies who survived birth but they simply lost on the whole "surviving your infancy game" during that era. And as much as victim blaming as this sounds, Katherine had also been known to fast so much that it affected her menstrual cycle and I think the stress and grief from so many deaths of her babies, stillborn or no, must have expounded on that. And I wonder if Anne's age (if we go by the 1501 date, she was 32 and considered to be old at that time of Elizabeth's birth), also worked against her and also made her subsequent pregnancies after Elizabeth incredibly stressful, especially if she had that Christmas miscarriage.
I also think even if he didn't reject Anne of Cleves so thoroughly or even if Katherine Howard was not executed then these two who have a hell lot of time getting pregnant due to Henry's physical condition. But because Edward exists maybe Henry would be less inclined to toss them aside, hell that's why Catherine Parr survived as long as she did but she never once got pregnant by him. If I had to blame his sudden lack of children, I'd blame the jousting incident that caused his leg wounds that prevented him from exercising as much as he once did, leading to his physical deterioration.
I feel genuinely sorry for Catherine Howard. She was a Child Bride for a start! She had also been abused and groomed by much older Men, for most of Her short life..
It seems to Me, even Henry's servant's & Church Elders felt very sorry for Catherine. They even seem to be attempting to sway Henry against killing Her. We can clearly see this when We look at the wording & manner, in which these Servant's wrote&reported back to Henry, regarding Catherine's plight.. Every report acknowledging, even highlighting, Catherine's grief & Her pitiful, penitent state. It seems everyone involved in Catherine's care felt sorry for Her situation, everyone except Henry, of course!! Poor Catherine, another pawn used up by the Tyrant King, Henry
I know, it's a tragic story.
Yeah. She was basically caught up in a drama not at all of her own making. Sort of a sacrificial lamb.
When you play the Game of Thrones. . .
She was hardly a child, she was between 17 and 19 years old in a time of history where the average lifespan was less than 45 years. I suggest doing some real research and learn what really happened instead of believing RUclips and its very unvetted information. Henry Vlll was far from being a tyrant compared to other countries Kings and rulers at the time. Go look at what the inquisition did to people, look at what was done to people in North Africa by the Arab rulers. Henry was an amateur compared to real tyrants. At the time England had the most advanced legal system anywhere in Europe. Henry was reigned in by Parliament and the church even though he was the head of said church. Never mind that he suffered from a debilitating leg injury in which bone splinters were taken out of leg from 1536 till the end of his life. Also he more than likely had a bruised cerebral cortex after the jousting accident in which he was unconscious for over two hours. That same accident is where the leg injury was made worse. So his behavior did become erratic, there was no modern medicine, nothing for pain and doctors who were just learning small things about anatomy. You add it all up it's a wonder he lived and functioned on any level. 1536 was the year all this occurred and also coincided with Ann Boleyns downfall. Hell look what chronic pain does to people now . Also we know he was diabetic by the mid 1530s well early stages . So anyway we all have opinions but I always say an educated opinion is best. Peace
@@eac1235 Excellent stuff! Thx for bringing it. Politically, I agree that Henry VIII far from from the most despotic this world has endured. However, within the realm of all matters matrimonial, ... yeah, he was pretty bad. At least as I see it. But my knowledge of all relevant facts is admittedly quite limited.
Thanks Again! I do prefer having more and diverse viewpoints to consider. 👍
~ TD, Boston
Henry killed a 17 year old girl. What a coward! 👎🤮
Most likely 18 or 19 at the time of death but still only a teenager most likely
But Herny still married at 16 or 17 year old and killed a 18 years old
It was a sad time in our history, when killing woman over infidelity when the husbands were doing the same thing without repercussions.
@marie-curie6645 This is not a justification, but rather an explanation. Outside of the standard sexism, adultery on a husband's side is different from one on a wife's. In both cases its bad, and has the possibility of producing a child. But before DNA tests there were few reliable ways to determine the biological father. A nobleman's child out of wedlock will generally not inherit his father's title. But a woman's child was legally her husband's. For a king's wife to cheat, if she has a child by another man, her child is in the line of succession, a form of 'usurpation' as the child has no right to the throne if their biological father wasn't the king. And, unfortunately, by the standards of the time that's treason.
The poor girl was barely more than a child when she was murdered. How can anyone, king or not, condemn a child to death. It boggles the mind. 😔
The average lifespan of that Time, from what I understand, was 40 or 50 years for most people. I could have misunderstood though. My point is, in the eyes of back then Katherine was not a child. Though I don't condone them putting her to death, she had to know what the penalty was for treason.
@@kerrypeters4724 I'm saying that "In the eyes of back then" Katherine was not a child. She absolutely is in today's eyes, because we live longer, and the rate that people are maturing is much slower, but I agree, She was mistreated. Though she cheated, I understand why. Henry was old and womanizing and an abuser. I am absolutely not condoning anything that happened to her.
He had children executed routinely, from numerous sources I've read.
Look at the massacre due to the Northern uprising.
Thousands of men, women and children were executed on scaffolds erected there.... and all on psycho Henry's express orders.
He was a weak man with a big ego..
@Morgan Miller: even a generation later, Shakespeare wrote in Romeo and Juliet that “younger than you are wives and mothers made” nurse to Juliet. (Ps I’m agreeing with you)
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Thank you so much. It's always lovely to get a comment from someone who appreciates all the hard work behind the scenes as I think some people don't realise how difficult and time consuming it can be.
Such brave women! How anybody could keep their composure in such circumstances is beyond me. No doubt the strength of their religious faith helped them as they met their end.
Yes, I think religion must have played a big role in it.
Yes, it helped kill them. Henry learned very early with Katherine (his first wife) that the Catholic faith was a real burden for him to rid himself of unwanted wives. Much easier to accuse your wife of unfaithfulness then it's a simple kangaroo court and predetermined execution to clear the way for the next victim (Umm.. Wife).
@@TheGoofy1932 People got executed in those days for all kinds of things. Their final moments and words do differ from those of today. Of course religion had something to do with that.
@@TheGoofy1932 Katherine was guilty of treason, which was punishable by death. It wasn't just personal treason against Henry, it was treason against the country and everyone in it.
@@charlottekey8856 WRONG ! people were executed for felonies or for high treason ! beheading was only for the high class as it was seen a quicker death then hanging / burning alive / hang draw and quarted .
death penalty for all felonies carried on until the 1800s where there after capital felonies become less and less . Felony and midermeaour were replaced in 1967
Queen Katherine Howard's demise was so shocking, appalling and totally barbaric, poor girl! May God bless her and keep her! 🙏🏻😢🌹🕊️♥️
The old king just enjoyed killing ppl, bc he could. And if anyone tried to stop him, they would've been beheaded as well. To me he was uncivilized.
It was a very different time. People knew what they were doing, the risks and the consequences. Henry may well have been a tyrant in the way be behaved at times but not all around him were saints.
@@mrelano65 I totally agree with you. Henry wasn't always a tyrant, he started out as a pretty good king, but 1536 changed all that! With the horrific jousting accident that smashed all his frontal lobe in which fully effected his behavior and his whole mental status. Then there was another miscarriage from Anne Boleyn that lead him to believe that Anne wasn't the one to give him a son, by then he was already seeing one of Anne's Ladies-in-waiting, to to her fall and ultimate trumped up charges for treason, incest and plotting to kill the king, which then finally, sadly and tragically ended with her beheading on 19th May 1536! May she rest in peace 🕊️✨ So Henry hadn't been a full on tyrant, and imagine living with that compound fracture which turned in to a festering open wound on his leg which would be extremely painful, there was no cure for that kind of serious wound back then. Also having to always seen to be a kingly figure back then, so much was on his shoulders, of course that doesn't excuse the horrible things he did. I'm jus agreeing with Marcos Relano, times were very very different back in the 16th century.
@@kiwigirl5634 Eh, starting off his reign by executing Dudley and Catesby wasn't exactly enlightened thinking. He began as he eventually continued.
@@tessat338 agree to disagree, Dudley was conspiring against the King, didn't you know, a lot of Dudleys were executed for treason, I never said he wasn't a tyrant, I just said he wasn't as bad as he was in his later years, and treason was punishible by death back then, times were so much different back then... absolute power corrupts absolutely!!!!
I have always felt very sorry for Katherine Howard. She was young and naive. That being her only true crime, what did Henry expect? He took a young girl who was not ignorant of men's attentions and raised her to the highest office in the land. Henry must have been repulsive to her. She was starved for true affection and high on her new found power. Henry was nothing but an old lech who had no business pointing his finger at anyone. He should of confined her to a convent if anything, not condemn her to death. May she rest in peace and find the eternal happiness that was denied to her in her short life, in the Lord's presence.
Convents were out of business at the time, I suspect. it was a very sad business.
@@edithengel2284 sad but true.
It amazes me how all of these women wish the king well, and confess to “sins” against him. It reminds me of nobles in the Korean Kingdom willingly drinking poison as a form of execution. I guess to protect those left behind it was the awful choice they needed to make.
Yes, I think it was to protect family members and to have a 'clean slate' when they went to meet their maker.
I suspect they do this because they know their family might suffer from the king's wrath after the execution if he takes a dislike to their comments. They are leaving the world so try to protect their relatives from any harm caused by their death.
It has a lot to do with dying well, it was important to not die with a curse on your lips, that was considered sinful in and of itself. When one was at the point of death, one was supposed to have come to terms with your Maker, so evil thoughts were not appropriate.
I guess you would want to guarantee a clean death not a couple of whacks of the axe for final insolence.
I wouldn't have. I'd rather say nothing, than wish my killer well.
I just love how you're doing these videos...as accurate as possible, and giving viewers information on the difficult circumstances surrounding each person . I think you're doing a wonderful job! 😊
Thank you very much! :-)
I 2nd that!
Accurate?! The title say JANE Boleyn, her name was ANNE
@@marie-curie6645 I think you have misunderstood, she is not talking about Queen Anne Boleyn but about her sister in law, Jane, Lady Rochford widow Anne's brother George. Sorry if this comes too late for you to change your mind.
@@rachebaby203 I knew Henry married a Jane but I didn’t realize his 2nd and 3rd wives were related through marriage.
Given the accounts of the horrendous smell emanating from Henry's festering leg wound from the jousting accident in 1527, it must have taken a very strong constitution for his wives to get anywhere near him.
Strong constitution and desperation.
The jousting accident was 1536 a few months before the fall of Anne Boleyn.
I wonder if it was more than just a wound, was it a gangrene?
I was thinking the same thing!
@@Ama-Elaini He probably had a retained foreign body piece in that wound which kept it festering.
These two ladies died with courage and dignity, like so many before them, thank you as always your chanel is one of the best history has always been my favourite subject.
I have always loved Tudor history, and am so pleased to have instilled that interest in my granddaughter. Your videos are so well researched and we both enjoy them; thank you so much.
I recently learned that lady Jane rochford (Boleyn) is an ancestor of mine a great aunt. Her brother Henry Parker is my direct ancestor grt grandfather, so I have been researching all about the Tudor reign & particular lady rochfords life & family. Thank you for the video.
Oh wow, that's a fantastic family tree. I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Wow. Truly awesome. I'd love to hear more.
I'd be very much interested in seeing the results of any research you do into this, particularly sources, genealogical documents etc. Do keep us posted.
Oh WOW!
Me too! We should swap details.
@@alisonholland7531 would be more then happy to share details x
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Thanks Dana. Yes, I've wondering how to get the algorithm to work for me for months!
"No, Linda, I'm not going to the queen's execution. It's just too 1536."
-A Real Quote
I can't tell if it's inappropriate or not to smile at that, given the subject matter, but I did! Thanks Amber :-)
You obviously have passion for this subject, and you present it thoroughly and with integrity. Your voice is extremely soothing as well! I’ve never been very interested in this period of history, but I’m invested now. Please keep up the good work!
Thanks Lia. I'm delighted I've sparked your interest in the Tudor era.
Poor Katherine Howard the poor child
I know. She was just a kid. Henry never should have married her.
@@HistoryCalling He was a dirty old man.
She was between 19 and 21, hardly a 'child'
She did do the dirty on the king ??
She was guilty of treason ! She was convicted by the laws of the day ,which Parliament had written and unanimously agreed upon. Hell I say she should have been banished to a nunnery, but it wasn't my call or anyone else Monday morning quarterbacking a situation that can't be changed, it was 500 years ago . The men involved Dearham and Culpepper got what they deserved and so did Jane Rochford, she aided and conspired to commit treason.
I feel so sorry for young catherine howard. Beheading is a scary way to died
So difficult to imagine that a teenage queen should meet her end in such a barbaric way. Henry was such a coward since he liked to have other people do his dirty work.
Agreed. I think it imperative to make people who do despicable things deal with their deispicable behaviors, and with themselves as a whole. I like how you shined a light on the fact that Henry, in predictable fashion, kept his own hands clean by delegating the dirty (gruesome) work to others. "Well, sorry, dude, ... your hands are NOT clean. They're soaked in Blood. And it's my duty to make sure you know that ... and that you're paying for it .. by whatever means."
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In the light of modern words he seemed to be one of these incells and a hatred of women and just used them to sire a son
@@jdbolynhoward8557 Pretty much, yes. I think Big Red saw everyone in terms of their functionality ... and only their functionality. Unfortunately, Wives who (that(?)) proved unservicable or inconvenient in some way could not simply be returned to AMAZON for credit toward next acquisition. So, ... (Chop ... Hack ... Rinse ... Repeat). What a swell guy!
Only thing is I wonder for his emotion for Anne as she stood her ground before bedding I would imagine as he changed the entire path as far as religions go
@@jdbolynhoward8557 In re: the Religion issue. The lore is that Fat Bastard (Henry VIII) threw off the Catholic Church to marry his beloved Anne Bolyn. However, the more I learn about said Henry, the more inclined I am to believe that the marriage may have been more of a pretense to justify the execution of his true will & desire: Confiscation of all property holdings (real & personal) of the Catholic Church then situated on British soil. By my estimation, about 20% - 25% of all real estate and loose "stuff" (a lot of it gold, retrieved from the New World by the Spanish Conquistadors ... ahem) were wholly owned assets of Catholic Church, Ltd.
Once all the land, buildings and gold were seized & secured in the British Throne, Anne, her true purpose having been satisfied, was summarily dispensed with.
Sound cynical? I just made out (loosely) what's called a "prima facie" case, shifting the burden on any naysayers to prove otherwise.
Whattaya think, Counsel?
Seems Henry had a lot of issues with the cheating wives… seems to me he’s obviously guilty of it
It's ironic really that he complained about some of his wives cheating (which I don't think they did) and yet he cheated all the time. Such double standards!
@@HistoryCalling Yes he was a cheater and just a bad guy most of the time...but his daughter Elizabeth the First( his daughter by Anne) was a great Queen and ruler for decades so in a way Anne had the the last laugh.
Agreed. I just wish Anne had been able to see it.
@@HistoryCalling I agree on the double standards topic but, being interested in history's personalities...let's say Alfred the Great set the bar on tolerance:
If Alfred tried to promote equality in terms of languages and peoples because presumably he believed that to be the best way to unite England, was Elizabeth I not a divider when it came to religion? Granted, Alfred was less tolerant when it came to religion (than other cultural matters) also but, come on, that would have been 750 years in the past during Elizabeth's reign.
So was Elizabeth I really a great queen? Was she, like Alfred, trying to do her best within the confines of her (father's) religion?
I was watching a discussion between some actors behind historical fiction The Last Kingdom (Saxon England vs Danelaw) and one who plays Æthelwold, Alfred's nephew who had claim to the throne of Wessex through his father Æthelred I, stated that the debates around Alfred have come again to the fore of public discussion and that the show - while not something to take answers from - was pertinent to today in some respects. I found this interesting.
P.S. Excuse the hand.
There's a reason for that....a cheating queen may bear an heir not of the king's bloodline. It was considered "interfering with the succession to the throne." On the other hand, a cheating king makes no difference, even if there are children resulting, because only the queen can bear heirs. To put it in "The Godfather" terms: It's nothing personal, just business.
It's always rubbed me wrong that this women die at Henry's orders, and their last words are well wishes to the man who has pretty much either fabricated or exagerated their offences to be rid of them. It's like having a battered wife in a shelter claiming the man who beat her black and blue and landed her there is a wonderful, loving individual. It's a blow to the soul
Their last words praising Henry, I heard, was to protect any living relatives of the accused. If they had protested their innocence or blamed Henry for their situation, Henry, could have, and probably would have, retaliated by stripping the relatives of their titles and lands or worse.
@@dianetheisen8664 Thank you for telling me! That makes me feel even worse for them, but it's good to know!
@@danisarmi30 You're welcome. I know what you mean, I feel for them, too.
I read somewhere that he was well known for pardoning people up to the moment of execution, he stretched it out to remind people of his power. Perhaps they were hoping for a pardon?
@@elizabethmayberry3414a classic narcissistic psychopath
There is an incredible book called fatal throne, it actually highlights each of Henry's wives and it's written in their point of view. It's really really good, I'm not sure how historically accurate it is but it's definitely more historically accurate than other books by other authors of the time period.
I read that book! Loved it!
I've heard Young and Damned and Fair is really good; it's about Katherine Howard's life. I've never read it, but I have wanted to..
fatal throne is my favorite book!! love it 💙
Thank you for this recommendation! I just ordered it
Another brilliant video and well done. Your channel is wonderful and you have such a wealth of knowledge here. Thank you so much for all the enlightening historical information. Looking forward to watching more of your videos in future.
You are very welcome :-)
Thank you for pointing out the inaccuracies.
Glad Im just an average citizen!
Me too :-)
well most monarchies have died out because of wars. i'm an average citizen who would have been part of a royal family is the stuarts had stayed in power.i also found out anne boleyn was my 1st cousin 14 times removed and catherine h and p were something great aunts.
@@toriacrouse2449 well the royal stuart bloodline didn’t really die out because of wars most of the stuarts that had any real claim to the throne after Queen Anne died were looked over only because they were catholic. That’s really the only reason why the Hanoverian/Windsor’s are in “power” today. In fact I guarantee that had England not have added the rule that no Catholics can sit on the throne post king James II rule, the stuarts would probably still be ruling to this day
@@undertakerlargestfan probably. Damn I could have been rich and royal 😏
Amen. Lol
Thank you, exhaustive information. Well done. X
You are so welcome!
Henry was one crul and evil monster.
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I enjoy watching your channel. Poor Catherine Howard 😢 so very sad
I know. A real tragedy. Thank you for watching and commenting.
I really appreciate that you vet your information. It's nice to have whatever facts are available.
I am so glad that I stumbled across your channel! You and Dr. Kat from Reading the Past have become my two favorite History RUclips! I have been really interested in history lately, specifically Tudor history, so I absolutely love how in depth you are with them!
Thanks Raven and welcome aboard. I'm really glad you're enjoying the channel. Yes, I've seen some of Kat's videos too and she's great.
I read somewhere once that why these women spoke so openly on the scaffold they were guilty and the king wasn't a bad guy was a way to protect family members from the kings wrath. Is this true?
Yes.
Yes, I think there probably was an element of that. It was also expected scaffold 'etiquette'.
Absolutely
Definitely true
Certainly interesting. You’ve inspired me to start the draft of a story, with one chapter having an association with the killings of these innocents. Whatever the so-called rights or wrongs, Howard was a child and an innocent of their times. Thank you so much for bringing these to life again, as real people with real lives. As I’m visiting the Tower of London soon, I will remember these unfortunate victims of the tyrannical King, who’s only gift to our world was Elizabeth.
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I love how you site creditable sources, but also add sideline information that’s been spewed. Your channel has dignity towards recorded facts and works of fiction. This is important in an age where some believe anything they’re told, instead of researching. Thank you for all your work.
Gee she was not even an adult. Of course she was acting like that. If the tudors had an accuracy, it seemed the king was too busy for her. She was a bored teen and was supposed to act like an adult. Ugh.
Yes, she really wasn't ready to suddenly be catapulted into Queenship (or even into marriage I would think).
She could have been an adult but barely, depending on what her actual age was as there is a range, not an exact date of birth
Seems like ALL Henry's women were related and ALL subjected to his rage at his inability to sire a healthy son...he did create QE1, his best "son"!!!🎎
Yes, they were all inter-related. The English royal family was never as in-bred as some of the continental royals, but they did usually share some common ancestors.
It’s also so funny that men blamed women for not providing a male heir when it’s the sperm that makes the sex! I’d love to go back and tell them all this lol
It's like a karmic slap down on him that his daughter is one of the longest reigning and best remembered of England's monarchs.
@@Gancanna Yes, the joke's on him!
@@kasie680 Don't, whatever you do, go back to that horrid time! you would be accused of treason for blaming the "sacred male king" and executed!!!!I I would have loved to tell them that god is a woman:) he he. But I won't bother...
I love your videos! I’ve only just recently found your channel but I really appreciate the effort you go to to find reliable sources for the information you’re sharing!
Also, reading through the comments I’m so sorry you have to put up with some of the people trying to correct you when you are already correct.
Thanks Kay, I appreciate you noticing the effort the videos take, as I'm not sure everyone does. Yes, some people can be a little daft, but I knew I'd run into that when I started this channel, so I'll just delete anyone who's very annoying and/or offensive. :-)
Your search is very much appreciated.Thank a tons for your input through Tudor history
Greetings from Ventura, California ! 😊
I love your voice. It's smooth and sweet 🎂
I’ve just found your channel in the past few days and I’m very impressed. Excellent content! This is a gem of a channel. 💎
Don't normally watch videos on Katherine Howard. I find them really hard to watch. Such a young girl that was abused by terrible men. Thank you this was interesting and well done
Thank you. I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, it is a really tragic story.
It was her uncle that started the whole debacle and, he's the worst, in my opinion because of his own selfish ambition.
I LOVE your content.... really appreciate your work x
Excellent work!
Excellent, excellent, excellent!!! Thank you so much for sharing. Absolutely fascinating!!
Thank you :-)
Great video, love the fact that you present the many view/narratives. Thanks for the extra effort.
Love your channel, so interesting and well done! Despite my thinking I know so much Tudor history, I inevitably learn something new with every one of your videos.
Thank you. I'm glad you're enjoying the videos and finding them useful. :-)
Hey absolutely love your videos. Great job! Maybe do a series on Mary queen of Scots?
Thanks Amna. She's on the list :-)
I really enjoy your videos. I have been interested in the Tudors for a long time and I've learned a lot.
Glad you like them! :-)
Thank you so much for your work and time 💕
You're welcome. Thank you for recognising how much work goes into the videos too.
When I everyday think about what a sick world we live, you’re channel has helped me realize that the people of the past have us beat
Thank you for this video! I love all things Tudor, essentially Anne Boleyn. But poor Katherine Howard fascinates me, too.
I loved this video and how you addressed likely false accounts with primary sources that could be trusted. I still had the Tudors portrayal in my head (albeit without the Culpepper pronouncement).
Just found your channel. Great stuff!
Thank you :-)
Poor thing. Being so young she had to fear death.
Oh absolutely. It's so sad when you read that she could hardly speak. I think it brings her terror home to us.
Love your videos! I’m a huge history fan and look forward to your next post
Another Brilliant video ❤️ thank you
Glad you enjoyed it :-)
Excellent info
Very good review
Thank you. :-)
According to genealogy studies, Henry VIII was my 13th great grand uncle….these woman are all ancestors of mine. I for one would love to see their remains studied, their identities returned, and then their remains given proper reburial.
How awesome! And I agree.
Bingeing all your vids rn! Subscribed immediately!! Can't wait for more!
Thank you :-) I'm glad you're enjoying the channel.
@@HistoryCalling You are SUPER talented!! These videos are really fantastic. Incredibly well researched, some of the best research I think I've ever seen on RUclips. You're very well spoken & easily understood, and your voice is quite pleasant. I really enjoy the images you select. It certainly helps that Tudor England in particular is a special interest of mine. It's just really excellent content ♡
Thank you so much and I'm glad you don't mind my voice and accent, as I've seen a little bit of trolling over my Northern Irish pronunciation.
@@HistoryCalling I adore it! I find it super endearing ♡ I really think this will be such a popular channel! It really is some of the best research work I've seen done on the subject, and I've consumed endless hours of content on this subject in particular.
If you told me that you were a professional researcher or historian or history professor, I would absolutely believe that.
Thank you :-) That's lovely of you to say. I prefer (at the moment at least) to keep my life mostly private as there are so many nasties on the internet and I like my privacy, but I don't think it's giving too much away to confirm that you're correct that I've worked in academia for a number of years.
Very sad.. like many stories of English Queens!
Only discovered this channel today (I will be planting my Flag and claiming it for myself!) and spent waaaay too much time binge watching! 😁 Lots of interesting human interest details that can be forgotten in historical events. All told with a clear, beautiful, friendly voice. 😎👍
Welcome and thanks for your very kind comment. I'm delighted you're enjoying the channel.
You're my new favorite channel! 😊
Thanks Katherine :-)
I enjoy all your video's
This is a fantastic channel. I am enjoying it very much! I’m a new subscriber. Do you think you could do a video on some stories that came out of the Tudor palace on special occasions or any accounts for that matter. Maybe discuss what that Queen was like in interaction. Also could you tell us how many people King Henry the VII killed? Also his daughter Mary and why they killed them? Also share any poignant stories. Maybe go live & do a story time w some time for a few questions? Thank you for sharing so many details above the lives of the kings and queens of Europe. It is an impressive undertaking and you are fantastic at research! 🦋💗
I love your channel &hearing your beautiful accent 👏👍🏼🥰⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thank you,
i was always obsessed with the tudor dynasty. now i know why i found out recently anne b was a 1st cousin 14 times removed. catherine h and catherine p were something great aunts of mine. so sad what happened to anne and catherine.
Oh wow, that's amazing. You share a little bit of DNA with Anne Boleyn and Elizabeth I then (as well as the other queens you mention) :-)
@@HistoryCalling yes im also related to Mary queen of Scots as I'm a direct descendent of king James IV and V Stuart. As well as the current prince's of Britain through princess Dianas line. I was always obsessed with royals now I'm more obsessed with learning more.
@@toriacrouse2449 oh wow that’s just AMAZING!!!!
@@kasie680 i know! I'm a direct descendent from king james iv and v stuart making Mary Queen of Scots an aunt and bonnie Prince Charlie a cousin!
@@toriacrouse2449 that’s so cool!!!
You should knock on the door of Buckingham palace and say I’m a relation, I’m moving in! 😂
Thank you.. Very good..
Brilliant. Love these videos.
Many thanks!
Great video. Hope you're ok. Alison
Hi Alison, I'm good thanks. Just a little blown away by how well the Anne Boleyn video did. Wow!
@@HistoryCalling well done
Thank you :-)
Different story of Katherine's execution when compared with the movies.. Thank you for your videos
Hi, I really like Tudor history and your channel is really good,was there really actual evidence of Katherine Howard and Tom culpepper having a affair or was it trumped up charges again?
I would really appreciate it if you would do a video on. Margaret Pole, countess of Salisbury. Her story is so fascinating and tragic
I'll add her to the list. She is mentioned in the Henry VIII videos as well, if you haven't seen them yet.
Now THAT was a botched beheading!!
Margaret & her brother really got the worst treatment of all. I have always felt sorry for the life they lead. Bad enough to have the parents they had, then to loose them both, & get put into the household of Henry VII & live in fear that he’d remember who you were & the threat to his kingship! Living life on a powder keg!
Curious. Was Teddy “slow”? Lacking full faculties? It was made to seem so in at least one fiction book I read. TU
@@bonnieabrs1003 Could have been the effects of being imprisoned for virtually his entire life since early childhood.
@@edithengel2284 I’m sure that it’s true, but he’s usually portrayed as slow & Margaret real had a job keeping him silent or give the desired answers.
Very interesting. Naturally the modern adaptation of the story need a juicy storyline, that's why it was so easy to convince people that Catherine said something so preposterous, but we must remember she was barely 16, and terrified. I doubt if she could speak at all. As for Jane boleyn I don't think she ever repented for what she did to her husband or her sister in law. She was jealous and jealousy does make people do things they can't believe they would do...
I should do a video on Jane at some stage actually, as I actually don't know enough about her life at the moment to really comment on what happened between her, George and Anne. I'm sure she'd be an interesting subject though. Thanks for watching :-)
The accusation that Jane Boleyn accused her brother and his wife only seems to have surfaced some decades after she died. I am aware of no contemporary evidence for it--she didn't testify or submit evidence at either trial, and no mentions her in connection with the accusation, as far as I know. We also know very little about the Boleyns' marriage, either good or bad, so we don't know if she was jealous. And accusing her husband, which would lead to a charge of treason, would not have been in her interest, as he, and thus she, would forfeit their property. She was reduced to penury for some time after George's death.
Oh, yes, another chapter!
Henceforth bestowing my bouquet of appreciation upon ya. 🌹🌹
Thanks Rose Ella-Grace :-)
A very interesting video 👍💕
I’ve got a question? ( I feel like I’m back at school) so when they were talking to her, could she have gotten out of trouble by admitting her and Dereham had been hand-fasted before she married Henry? The Tudor’s show alluded to that and I don’t have enough experience to know how to check that.
The whole season with her freaked me out. The actress who played her looked so young.
I don't know whether or not they would have called it hand-fasting, but yes, theoretically if she and Dereham had agreed to marry, or that they were married and had then slept together, then they would have been man and wife and Katherine couldn't have been guilty of adultery against the King. Even had she claimed this though, I'm sure some other reason would have been found to kill her. Henry actually had his marriage to Anne Boleyn annulled, yet she was still executed on charges which included adultery, which makes no sense. I don't think Katherine was ever going to get out of this unfortunately. Henry wasn't the forgiving type :-(
i look forward to your new videos every week💕💜🌎
Thank you :-)
I am still skeptical of a lot of my studies! My introduction begins from a Novel on Princess Elizabeth! I have looked at Her as A Character of a wild Royal story! Guess it was the Baptist Methodist upbringing! Thank-You!
I'm enjoying the channel but think you need to update the mic you're using. Sounds too sensitive to high pitched sounds.
Please make a video of Mary Cary thank you for the great videos
You're welcome. She's on the list (although I should warn you, the list is getting really long at this point!) :-)
When she was taken into a holding cell, the whole night, she practiced how to lay her head on the block so that it could be a clean cut. An inexperienced axeman was chosen to execute her and he lodged the axe in her back twice before getting her head. I dont know if this correct fully but if this is true then this makes her death a lot more worse than we think it is. :(
The bit about practising with the block the night before is correct. I've never seen a primary source suggesting the axeman was inexperienced or botched the execution however.
@@HistoryCalling I believe the botched execution and novice axeman was Mary Queen of Scots.
I thought that was Cromwell?
Depressingly, it was both :-(
It was Lady Margaret Pole who had the inexperienced axman.
I couldn't tell your saying JANE I'm wondering wth my ears over over over I'm not daft or deaf I'll be used to your accent after all your videos......... I love this history series thank you so much.
They spoke so beautiful back then.
It amazes me that the spelling and writing in the 16th century was so different to how it is today. for example:
Sowles, Christyan, Realme, lyves.
Yeah, no standardised spelling at all really until at least the 18th century. It makes reading original manuscripts (often also in terrible handwriting and filled with abbreviations) a real hoot! :-)
Historians are beginning to think that Catherine Howard was innocent.
She wasn't exactly innocent. She was conducting an affair, but it is unclear if she actually slept with Culpeper.
I hope she said .."life is so very beautiful.." in those last moments.🌹
No, she begged forgiveness for her sins
I would LOVE if you would do Lady Jane Grey (Gray). Have loved and sadden by her story. But one of the bravest women ever
Not to worry, she's on the list. :-)
Nice to hear commentary from a lovely Northern Ireland accent
My favorite Period in History The Tudors Especially Henry VIII And His Six Wives!!!🥰🤣❤️💋💖💕
About Katherine bones, I read somewhere that the "delicate ones" (I.E Anne's) could've been hers, as the age/date could be inaccurate. Part of me really hopes that her bones are there, just rearranged or moved because more people were interred there (as there was someone else burried below the bones thought to be Anne Boleyn's). Otherwise, I'd be so sad because she deserves to have something left for us to remember her by.
I love your videos! I feel horrible for Katherine, she was just a kid. I'm just 15 as well.
Thanks Adea. Yes, what happened to her was terrible.
I would like to have discussions about who the executioners were who did the deed of ending the lives of the queens and nobles in the Tudor times. Were they part of the royal guards or royal army? I think this would be interesting conversation.
There are a couple of interesting articles in Wikipedia about executioners, and a list of same.
Henry VIII - described once as the Tudor Stalin.
And an Italian princess did say that she would only marry Henry if she had a spare head (that was after Katherine's execution).
And Sir Anthony Robinson (AKA Baldrick in the Blackadder series) in one of his series on English cathedrals, describes the period of the dissolution of the monasteries under Henry as the worst period of vandalism in English history. And what did Henry do with the loot so obtained? Squandered it all on his ultimately futile wars with France.
Ah, you're thinking of Christina of Denmark, Duchess of Milan. Yes, she said that when Henry was wife hunting in between Jane Seymour and Anne of Cleves. I've always really admired her guts in saying it. I'm sure lots of other women were thinking much the same thing! :-)