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Great comparison! Personally, I find Avenger's UI a bit cluttered, with too much unnecessary stuff on the screen. On the other hand, I really like Nexus for its clean design and potential. However, it's still lacking in the effects department. If they were to implement a proper unison voicing system and a wavetable editor, Nexus could become a strong contender to Phase Plant.
@@MARAASIM agreed. The part I ended up cutting had a section where I was trying to have duel voicings on the piano part of the preset i was making around 25:00. But I was unable to do it. Nexus’s preset workflow isn’t as up to par yet and bouncing around pages can make things tricky sometimes.
@MARAASIM Nexus can have practically unlimited oscs so maybe that makes up for it, don't know yet. Seems capable but couldn't justify having both for now. Got Avenger because of the great quality expansions it has, but keeping eye on nexus too, already having too many good synths at the moment so don't need just another "workhorse". But will keep an eye on it, I like some of the fx it has like the particle.
@@4EV-ER Yeah the particle effect does sound really good. I'll have to experiment more with the OSCs and see how crazy we can get... But they have got to fix the preset loading bug first.
@ yeah i saw one video (cant remember the link) where someone tried it and it was some silly amount, not sure how efficient that is though. Personally I like the Unison in Vital best, it has really good control. The oscs are a bit limited though, but still good for most things, for a "free" Synth it's a must have.
Thanks for asking this question because I thought I was the only one and was wondering what I missed. I thought they are both the same people behind the scenes and maybe sharing the synth engine so what’s the point now that Nexus 5 lets you mess with it
Thank you - great comparison :-) I think it's the best to simply use the two workhorses for efficient arranging. I think, for sculpting synths and hybrid sounds Nexus 5 can be very intuitive. I seriously would use Avenger 2 als as midi player - with midi out of its ingenious arpeggiator. And for beats I would use the new Triaz VST by Waves Alchemy, or the new Patter Sequencer of Cubase 14, or Microtonic, Superior Drummer or sometimes the good old Stylus etc. etc. We have so much now 🙂
@@Syngularity Yes! Nexus’s sampler is really good when working with tonal sounds. I always called on Nexus (even in 2 and 4) when it came to “filler sounds” that sounded good. I do wish it had more sampling tools like a granulizer or something. I love Stylus and still use but ill check out those other drum sequencers. Avenger’s drum sequencer is great but having varying patterns would be nice. MIDI outs or having layers on multiple MIDI channels woukd be super useful.
So I haven't gotten a chance to try that. I have Analog Lab V which takes a bit to load, but sounds really good. I'll have to try that one out. I've also been messing with Phase Plant, but the way they have their UI set up messes with the magnifier a lot which makes i tricky to use. I think Pigments is rent-to-own. I may take a look as I hear it has some good sounds.
@@ViRiXDreamcoreI have pigments and I think it has some expansions shop but havent really tried them. I don't think the stock presets are nearly as good as Avenger for example. But the synth engines and UI are good, and so are the FX.
@@4EV-ER Oh yeah Arturia knows how to make something really look stellar. I get inspired just by looking at their UI. Yeah VPS stuff does have a really solid sound unless you're going for something a bit more experimental.
It was pretty confusing to me too. They are two different companies, but they share developers. Manuel Schleis is one of the main devs on both Nexus and VPS. The Vengeance RUclips channel has videos for both Nexus and Avenger expansions. So yeah, it can be confusing.
@@ViRiXDreamcore Thanks. Now it makes sene. So its save to say Manuel Schleis is 1. the GOAT and maybe our last Defense against NI and their obvious Plan to kill all of our creativity with making once smart Products from once smart companies a cashcow marketing Fest. i wonder what their actual offer to refx is ;-)
I'm not sure if you're aware or not but both nexus and avenger are owned by the same person so they'll always do a different but they won't be too far apart
@@BentsiBransdorfer I’m aware. I thought I mentioned it in the vid somewhere. Even so, good point. It’s interesting to see where both will differentiate themselves.
True. I meant more in use other than them both existing. Plus, yeah that was a clickbait thing, I'll admit it. But I did kind of wonder this when seeing N5's advertising. It does seem they are still for different crowds though. I suppose kind of like Xbox and PC.
@@mikamulperi there definitely are. That and just weird user experience issues. Example, copying a layer makes a duplicate so whatever’s you do on one gets done on the other one as well.
Thanks for the suggestion.... I say in the description that the manual doesn't have this information in it. Go ahead. refx.com/nexus/manual/ Search "Sampler" in the manual and you will find only a small mention of it. Better yet, search "slice" and you will find no mention of it. That being said, do you have a link to the full manual for Nexus 5 specifically? I was unable to find it just by searching. So I will happily read it if one's available. And this still doesn't account for user-created presets failing to load; which is one of the key features of this update.
I have a question I have the Nexus 4 and now I just recently got the Nexus 5 can I just drag The Sound Library from Nexus 4 into Nexus 5 and then delete Nexus 4 and be able to play all the Nexus 4 sounds through Nexus 5 and if so how would I do that exactly?
I had Nexus 4 as well. When you upgrade to Nexus 5, it automatically replaces Nexus 4, so whenever you open a project that had Nexus 4, it will now be using Nexus 5. All of the presets automatically come over from Nexus 4. Keep in mind though... IF you are using the VST2 version of Nexus 4 in your songs, you may want to take note of the presets you're using, because in some DAWs like Cubase 14, they only allow VST3 plugins which will cause Nexus to reset itself when you first load a project that was using the VST2 version of Nexus 4. Because that will upgrade to a VST3 version of Nexus 5.
@@ViRiXDreamcore so what about people who buy nexus 5 complete ( with all the exp packs ) do they get the same sounds from 4 as well or do then have to spend even MORE money to get those?
You may be right. I'm probably just used to VPS and the way that it works. Accessing the sounds in my opinion is a bit easier to do on VPS Avenger though, especially when it comes to pulling apart sequences.
@@soundsgoodmusicstudio thanks for the concern. I honestly do appreciate it and thanks for checking out the video! Because I have something called Optic nurvs Hypoplasia, i don’t have many other options.
I think Avenger is actually more, and the expansions work pretty much the same way, but are easier to customize in Avenger. But yeah, you really can go pretty far with Avenger and Phase Plant. I've always used Nexus as a "quick fix" type of thing when I want something good, fast. (Although Avenger kinda handles that.)
I dont think nexus ‘beats’ VPS avenger… great content subbed
@@SuperIZL it doesn’t. You’re right.
Great and very thorough conparison, thank you
@@rhialto39 Thanks!
Thanks for this great video! Very helpful. Also what are the songs that play during both the conclusion and outro sections? Really dig them!
@@redeemer5628 For sure! And those are songs I made.
Great review.
Appreciated!
hi,, thanks to the algorithms and thanks @ViRiX ,, first video i watched and have subscribed, excellent video ,, great topic,, your passion is evident,, looking forward to watching more of your content
@@DazzaDirect Thanks for checking it out and yeah, YT is algorthms are what they are.
Hi, I wanna lock delay and reverb settings for all presets but I couldn't do it. In Nexus 4 it was possible.
Hmm... I think they came out with an update that does that? I'll have to check.
Avenger still the nexus killer.
I meeeaaaannn, I'm not uninstalling it any time soon.
Great comparison! Personally, I find Avenger's UI a bit cluttered, with too much unnecessary stuff on the screen. On the other hand, I really like Nexus for its clean design and potential. However, it's still lacking in the effects department. If they were to implement a proper unison voicing system and a wavetable editor, Nexus could become a strong contender to Phase Plant.
@@MARAASIM agreed. The part I ended up cutting had a section where I was trying to have duel voicings on the piano part of the preset i was making around 25:00. But I was unable to do it.
Nexus’s preset workflow isn’t as up to par yet and bouncing around pages can make things tricky sometimes.
@MARAASIM Nexus can have practically unlimited oscs so maybe that makes up for it, don't know yet. Seems capable but couldn't justify having both for now. Got Avenger because of the great quality expansions it has, but keeping eye on nexus too, already having too many good synths at the moment so don't need just another "workhorse". But will keep an eye on it, I like some of the fx it has like the particle.
@@4EV-ER Yeah the particle effect does sound really good. I'll have to experiment more with the OSCs and see how crazy we can get... But they have got to fix the preset loading bug first.
@ yeah i saw one video (cant remember the link) where someone tried it and it was some silly amount, not sure how efficient that is though. Personally I like the Unison in Vital best, it has really good control. The oscs are a bit limited though, but still good for most things, for a "free" Synth it's a must have.
@@4EV-ER Oh I'll have to see how much I can add into Nexus! Have you tried the paid version of Vital? I heard it had a few more features.
Thanks for asking this question because I thought I was the only one and was wondering what I missed. I thought they are both the same people behind the scenes and maybe sharing the synth engine so what’s the point now that Nexus 5 lets you mess with it
@@findjonmoses We are at least two asking that question ! They are thd same on the backend. I guess the philosophy behind them is a little different.
Thank you - great comparison :-) I think it's the best to simply use the two workhorses for efficient arranging. I think, for sculpting synths and hybrid sounds Nexus 5 can be very intuitive. I seriously would use Avenger 2 als as midi player - with midi out of its ingenious arpeggiator. And for beats I would use the new Triaz VST by Waves Alchemy, or the new Patter Sequencer of Cubase 14, or Microtonic, Superior Drummer or sometimes the good old Stylus etc. etc. We have so much now 🙂
@@Syngularity Yes! Nexus’s sampler is really good when working with tonal sounds. I always called on Nexus (even in 2 and 4) when it came to “filler sounds” that sounded good.
I do wish it had more sampling tools like a granulizer or something.
I love Stylus and still use but ill check out those other drum sequencers.
Avenger’s drum sequencer is great but having varying patterns would be nice.
MIDI outs or having layers on multiple MIDI channels woukd be super useful.
@@ViRiXDreamcore Btw, in the pull down menu, you can choose "grain" before dropping a sample intro the layer 🙂
great comparison thank you, what do you think about pigments 5 ? :)
So I haven't gotten a chance to try that. I have Analog Lab V which takes a bit to load, but sounds really good. I'll have to try that one out. I've also been messing with Phase Plant, but the way they have their UI set up messes with the magnifier a lot which makes i tricky to use.
I think Pigments is rent-to-own. I may take a look as I hear it has some good sounds.
@@ViRiXDreamcoreI have pigments and I think it has some expansions shop but havent really tried them. I don't think the stock presets are nearly as good as Avenger for example. But the synth engines and UI are good, and so are the FX.
@@4EV-ER Oh yeah Arturia knows how to make something really look stellar. I get inspired just by looking at their UI. Yeah VPS stuff does have a really solid sound unless you're going for something a bit more experimental.
I never got it..its they same company or was it??
It was pretty confusing to me too. They are two different companies, but they share developers. Manuel Schleis is one of the main devs on both Nexus and VPS.
The Vengeance RUclips channel has videos for both Nexus and Avenger expansions. So yeah, it can be confusing.
@@ViRiXDreamcore Thanks. Now it makes sene. So its save to say Manuel Schleis is 1. the GOAT and maybe our last Defense against NI and their obvious Plan to kill all of our creativity with making once smart Products from once smart companies a cashcow marketing Fest.
i wonder what their actual offer to refx is ;-)
I'm not sure if you're aware or not but both nexus and avenger are owned by the same person so they'll always do a different but they won't be too far apart
@@BentsiBransdorfer I’m aware. I thought I mentioned it in the vid somewhere. Even so, good point. It’s interesting to see where both will differentiate themselves.
Great video and fantastic comparison 🤌🏻🙏🏻
Thanks!
I don't think they will ever kill each other, as both of them come from Manuel Schleis in regards of design and expansions
True. I meant more in use other than them both existing. Plus, yeah that was a clickbait thing, I'll admit it. But I did kind of wonder this when seeing N5's advertising. It does seem they are still for different crowds though. I suppose kind of like Xbox and PC.
I think there are some bugs in Nexus 5 still.
@@mikamulperi there definitely are. That and just weird user experience issues.
Example, copying a layer makes a duplicate so whatever’s you do on one gets done on the other one as well.
Avenger is still the big brother to Nexus.
Gotta agree. It's more "mature"... although I THINK they worked on Nexus first.
RTFM!!!
Thanks for the suggestion....
I say in the description that the manual doesn't have this information in it. Go ahead.
refx.com/nexus/manual/
Search "Sampler" in the manual and you will find only a small mention of it. Better yet, search "slice" and you will find no mention of it.
That being said, do you have a link to the full manual for Nexus 5 specifically? I was unable to find it just by searching. So I will happily read it if one's available.
And this still doesn't account for user-created presets failing to load; which is one of the key features of this update.
I have a question I have the Nexus 4 and now I just recently got the Nexus 5 can I just drag The Sound Library from Nexus 4 into Nexus 5 and then delete Nexus 4 and be able to play all the Nexus 4 sounds through Nexus 5 and if so how would I do that exactly?
I had Nexus 4 as well. When you upgrade to Nexus 5, it automatically replaces Nexus 4, so whenever you open a project that had Nexus 4, it will now be using Nexus 5. All of the presets automatically come over from Nexus 4.
Keep in mind though... IF you are using the VST2 version of Nexus 4 in your songs, you may want to take note of the presets you're using, because in some DAWs like Cubase 14, they only allow VST3 plugins which will cause Nexus to reset itself when you first load a project that was using the VST2 version of Nexus 4. Because that will upgrade to a VST3 version of Nexus 5.
@@ViRiXDreamcore so what about people who buy nexus 5 complete ( with all the exp packs ) do they get the same sounds from 4 as well or do then have to spend even MORE money to get those?
by the looks of things Nexus 5 is more user friendly compared to VPS Avenger.
You may be right. I'm probably just used to VPS and the way that it works. Accessing the sounds in my opinion is a bit easier to do on VPS Avenger though, especially when it comes to pulling apart sequences.
@@ViRiXDreamcore Can't wait to upgrade my Nexus 4 to 5
@@Epic3032 you’re going to have a great time. It’s a lot of fun. And has a free expansion!
I think you did a good job, but you’re gonna hurt your eyes if you keep stick them to the screen like that😂
@@soundsgoodmusicstudio thanks for the concern. I honestly do appreciate it and thanks for checking out the video!
Because I have something called Optic nurvs Hypoplasia, i don’t have many other options.
@@ViRiXDreamcore That explains, sorry to hear that sir, wish you get well from time to time.😊
@@soundsgoodmusicstudio It's no worries at all! I manage quite well.
Nexus sounds nice. The price point is insane IMHOP. WITH combo of Avenger 2 and Phase Planet is a much cheaper and very formidable options!❤
I think Avenger is actually more, and the expansions work pretty much the same way, but are easier to customize in Avenger. But yeah, you really can go pretty far with Avenger and Phase Plant. I've always used Nexus as a "quick fix" type of thing when I want something good, fast. (Although Avenger kinda handles that.)