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It has NOTHING, Repeat NOTHING to do with it. The Rays wanted an OUT because St. Pete is a BAD Area for MLB & they likely have likely a better deal in the works out of Fl, like in Nashville or Salt Lake. The insurance likely wouldn't cover the outdate and expired dome anyways. Roof was over 30 years old.
Yep. City Counsel should be held responsible at the very least. Saving 250k to later have to possibly spend 26 million to fill the gap they left in coverage.
We'll see if the insurance even pays off. Didn't the roof manufacturer say it was 9 years past its expected lifespan? Insurance covering aging roofs is a hot topic in Florida.
I think there'd be a $100 million fight to get a check applied to the new stadium as opposed to fixing the roof in the old one so they can play indoors for two years...
@@NewNomics The agreement for a new stadium does not include being able to play in Tropicana Field. There was always going to be a deductible for damage to Tropicana Field. If you're going to blame the city for taking a chance on their not being damage, then you need to blame the Rays for taking a chance I'm not being able to play there. Do you think Lloyd's whatever at the policy for the Rays for loss of income do the stadium damage? Damn right they would have. The company insures singers voices in athletes legs. This is exactly the sort of thing they would do.
Tampa is a much better location for the team than St. Petersburg. It would be much easier for them to sell a high quantity of tickets to people from Lakeland and Orlando who don’t want to have to cross the bay. It would be especially good to put it out near the Seminole Hard Rock.
The argument that those in Tampa don't want to make a 40 minute drive across a bridge is out there so why would anyone in Orlando and Lakeland want to make the drive to Tampa? Still wondering if Big D is going to step in and build them a stadium on Big D property.
@ I live in Orlando personally know several baseball fans who go to several games a year. They have all said they would go to many more if the stadium were in Tampa.
@@davidbakerscuba I went to vacation last summer to DisneyWorld & during that trip, went to a Rays game in St Pete for the first (& probably) only time. The drive was too long, especially from Tampa to St Pete. Just having a ballpark in Tampa would definitely generate more attendance than it would in St Pete.
I see two distinct possibilities: The Rays management decline to commit and begin the process of relocation, or the current Rays ownership places the team up for sale amid hopes another potential owner can infuse money to keep the team in Tampa and persuade Pinellas County to either level the current Trop site or find a more suitable location. I've been to Rays games and travelling to the stadium which is in short located on an island is slow, inconvenient and troublesome. It's a HUGE reason with all the recent success of the Rays the past 20 years or so they've been unable to draw. Personally, I'd like to see them move to Orlando if there is room to place a needed retractable-roof ballpark. The traffic infrastructure is already in place.
@@alexanderscavello6253 besides, Orlando is more than twice the population of Salt Lake City, is a much larger market than SLC, is growing faster than SLC, and gets 10 times more visitors than SLC. It’s not even close.
Do Floridians really want to deal with heat, humidity, weather and horrible traffic, to hang out with DJ Kitty--at The Trop--or anywhere? Or do they get their fill of baseball during Spring Training? Assuming that the local government is representative of The People, we can also (sadly) assume the answer to those questions. And poor DJ Kitty still needs a Forever Home.
The fact that the Rays appear disinterested in the process of staying local says volumes. I hope the Rays franchise folds and exerts maximal pain on the owner. If MLB wants a better franchise, find an owner who is interested in producing a great product, rather than one interested in stealing tax and public funds.
See, THIS is what bugs me: the Rays ownership's attitude.. but the Counties are not bending the knee this time. See also: the Arizona Diamondbacks and Maricopa County.
News flash: half of the MLB owners are cheap and not interested in subsidizing their franchises. Tampa, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Oakland, Seattle, Cincinnati, Miami are among those teams. They can’t compete against the wealthy teams like the Dodgers or the Yankees.
Think about it from their perspective though. They are, at the end of the day, a business in which the owner wants to maximize profits. They have a deal in place, but that deal becomes upended due to the disaster. Suddenly, they have to find a different place to play. The city wants them to stay in Pinellas county because they are a source of tax revenue (not because they are actually interested in them staying in the region), and for the Rays, they can play in small minor league ballparks in decent locations, or they can play in the largest ballpark in the state (and the fourth largest in all of baseball) in a perfect location... Because no matter what they are going to take a hit in ticket sales, revenue and the ability to attract free agents. Time is of the essence, and the landlord is delaying things continuously and suddenly two new commissioners who are opposed to funding this project enter the mix. They decided they want to spend money to fix the Trop, but what's the point? Why waste money on that when you can just start the process to make a new stadium - but they are clinging to an old deal, so it's time for a new one. Rays have the vast majority of the leverage here and the city knows that and is continuously stumbling to the point you aren't even sure this is a great partner. Now, what I will say is that the Rays communication in this has been off-putting at times, which I think is your concern. On the one hand, they haven't inspired much confidence in wanting to work with the city, but on the other, they have been pretty efficient in their communication in terms of where they are at and what they want. They think the deal is dead, and it's past time to renegotiate for a new one. Where, at this point, the Rays can try to get more if they want. The city is trying to cover their butts, but ultimately had they not delayed things in the first place, there would have been no problem... Or, if they did need a delay, they shouldn't have delayed it as long as they did when there was an election cycle coming up.
Sunday deadline? I guess relocation announcement by Saturday then Very messy situation that a reason a team got relocated (moved market) is because of natural disasters
Having MLB teams in Florida just doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint. If the Rays stay in Florida and they should build the new stadium in Tampa or Orlando.
My opinion is that the current deal is dead. Either Hillsborough County figures out a deal with the Rays for a new Stadium in Tampa, or the Rays will look further East to Orlando.
The move to Orlando has never made more sense. When it comes to courting a team, Orlando has been ahead of every other prospecting city. Orange County already has voted on $975m towards their domed stadium and they had 12,000 season ticket requests in one day.
I'm retired and live in Tampa half the year and New York the other half. I've been hearing rumors about the area near the Seminole Hard Rock, possibly even being part of the casino complex. Anyone else hear this?
This is an excelent letter by Pinellas County. Histroically, sports team owners have assumed that they have all the leverage because they believed that politicians were afraid to be the person that "let the team move away" and therefore, they would agree to any stadium financing. However, it appears that Pinellas County has a binding agreement with firm dates that they are able to meet and the Rays seem to want something else. The Rays seems to be using the court of public opinion to try to get something else than what they already signed. Pinellas County is having nothing to do with this and is (rightfuly) demanding clear answers. They won't be bullied by the owners, won't waste all of their time with endless 'negotiations', and have seized all of the leverage. Sending this type of letter does have risk because the team could leave, but better to know now. Bravo Pinellas County for honoring the sanctity of contract law!
I laughed at this. there was a 100 million dollar hurricane policy out which WOULD have covered all the costs but Pinellas county cut that to 25 million this year- even when years before there were close calls. just to have 275k a year. they abrogated their responsibility to maintain the facility when they have a contractual obligation to maintain it. I hope the Rays move and the business owners move with them- it will help to crash the tax base and make them look even more worthless than having the Rays in St Pete to begin with.
The problem is time. The rays are a small market team. They cannot afford to pay part of the new stadium and play in a smaller venue for the next three years. It's just that simple.
They are not relocating so let’s get that out of the way now. MLB has made that clear. Now as for Ken Hagan he first broke that to JP Peterson last week that Tampa has a plan ready. They have the Ybor site ready now. This is gonna be done with a new Rays owner as Stu is going to be forced to sell the team now. Is it a done deal? Absolutely not.
They need to move spring training grapefruit league to puerto rico to give baseball in Florida a chance. You can watch half the teams in the league for a month, any team you choose. Maybe take a vacation 2-3 times a year and see them anywhere. It definitely cuts into rays amd marlins fan following, etc.
No chance. Small cities in Florida make a lot of money off of tourists coming to Florida to watch spring training. Teams invest a lot of money in their facilities here too. Its not just used for spring training and minor league teams. It also used for rehabbing players and working with players not currently on rosters.
In the coming weeks you will see publicized reports of the Rays taking meetings from representatives from places like Nashville, TN and Salt Lake City, UT. Either to force a deal or make plans to begin a move with MLB.
@@BlackSaiyan24 I keep reading on youtube comments everywhere that the Rays should move to Orlando that Orlando has a stadium deal ready to go. This is NOT accurate. There was one guy that wanted MLB in Orlando, Pat Williams, who proposed the idea of using TDT revenues to build an indoor ballpark on I-Drive next to Sea World. The Orange County Commissioners and both mayors of OC and Orlando basically said "nah" and didn't even bother to take it up for a vote. They instead voted to spend massive amounts of money (over a billion when all added up) to expand the OC Convention Center, renovate Camping World Stadium, renovate the Kia Center, renovate the UCF football stadium, amongst some other things. The money is already allocated and there is no money left for a MLB stadium. And Pat Williams has since passed away. So please stop this "rumor". It is true that Tampa/Hillsborough/St Pete/Pinellas taxpayers do not want to spend taxpayer money on a stadium for the Rays. They keep sending that message over and over again for two decades. Its just like the Coyotes situation in Arizona...the overwhelming majority of voters do NOT want tax money going to a new ballpark. So unless Pinellas County and the Rays kiss and make up they are going to move somewhere out of state.
They aren't going to Nashville. Nashville is already in the process of building a now $2.2 billion dollar stadium for the Titans. They ain't building another one.
the 100 million dollar windstorm policy they had would have covered it, not the Rays fault they cut the insurance to 25 million a month before the storm because they were short sighted about saving 275k.
For the last few weeks it realy seemed like the Rays were trying to get out of the agreement to play in Tampa... But now with Auld's and the commissions statement it seems more like the Rays wanted the overuns covered and were getting cold feet.. they just want more... As they always have ... if that didnt happen they would go to Tampa. But surprise to the Rays, Tampa isn't going to play thease types of games. Infact they are seeing this playout in real time and probabaly want to stay as far away as possible. Infact Aulds most recent statement sounds like MLB stepped in and said "work it out, we want this market, you have a deal, do it or prepare to sell the team"
Even if the Rays do decide to relocate what do they do for a stadium in the meanwhile. The Yankees are allowing their spring training field this season but only this season . But even that is better than the A’s situation where free agent Dodger pitcher Walker Beuhler told the A’s he won’t play in a minor league park and the Yankees are perusing Mason Miller who would jump as a chance to get away from the A’s if possible . No MLB player wants to be on the A’s now stuck in a minor league park in Sacramento where it’s over 100 defers in the summer ..Manfred is doing to baseball what Fisher has done to the A’s only on a bigger level , he’s destroying the entire league instead of just one team
1) They could lease one of the other stadiums for the next season (Charlotte Sports Park, Baycare Ballpark, JetBlue Park, Joker Marchant Stadium, LoanDepot Park, Disney World Wide World of Sports, Al Lang, etc) 2) It is possible that the lease on Steinbrenner Field could be renewed another year if Hal Steinbrenner and the Yankees okay it. Sometimes leases for one season have option clauses for additional seasons if needed. 3) They could temporarily relocate out of the area to any open stadium that is MLB certified that can accomodate their scheduling.
I think St Pete has clearly shown they cannot support a MLB team. And now Pinellas County wants to play blame games. They also clearly don't support the team, but don't want to be held responsible. Time for the team to move on.
Pinellas county isn’t telling the truth either. Latava has given 3 different reasons why they delayed it. One of the new commissioners ran on killing the Rays deal. Why have a vote which was 5-2 in favor. Just to delay a decision until later. Isn’t that what the vote is. The money for the stadium has nothing to do with the hurricane. It can only be used for tourism.
I live in Tampa and all the majority of the fans live here, St. Pete barely got fans that visit the park, on top of that nobody wants to live in St. Pete. There have been time that tickets are 15-20$ and I don’t buy them because we Tampa people have to drive 40min to go and comeback plus the traffic to St. Pete at 5pm is horrible.
Nobody wants to live in St. Pete you say. Well, it's obvious you are stuck in Tampa because St. Petes real estate/ building high rise condos has been on absolute fire the last 6 or 7 years and shows no sign of slowing down. So yes, people do want to live in St. Pete. You are fake news. You Tampa people stay where you are at, please. You don't even know what bad traffic looks like.
Best options as of now 1 build in Tampa Bay not St Pete in an area that's easy to get to and has ample parking 2 sell or move team to Nashville, Charlotte,longshot Orlando ,bigger longshot Oakland.Best of these is Nashville. 3 I don't see a third option
Its ugly and the lawyers are making their money. I think the Rays actually have the leverage, because even if the stadium deal is dead, the Rays and their construction partner Hines still own the land around the new stadium and that land and development project is where the real profits are.
"We are eager to work with all partners on a solution for the 2029 season that keeps Major League Baseball in Tampa Bay for generations to come." So they're gone. That's a given. The only question is where they're going to be playing in 2029. Early prediction: Nashville.
But why did the county wait to see where the Rays would play in 2025 before voting on the bonds? It was obvious they were going to a temporary home in the area, since we knew the Trop could not be ready in 2025. They delayed the vote, raising costs for the team, because they're butthurt the Rays picked the best option in the Bay area (no not that Bay area) and not the inferior one in their county. Frankly if Hillsboro county offer something as good or better the team probably should jump there.
Just move out of Tampa if they don’t support funding. Same thing with the White Sox if they don’t want to pay public money to build then they don’t want you in their city
I see the Ray's future permanent home will be the following Elite 8: 1. Tampa 2. Nashville 3. Utah (Salt Lake City) 4. Orlando 5. Charlotte 6. Portland, OR 7. Austin 8. St. Petersburg
Only one out of these so called " elites have the funding for a MLB park none of the others have a ballpark plan ready to go, Google it Only Salt Lake City is shovel ready
Teams will move overseas. There's reason why they play in Berlin, London, Mexico City. American League Central is about to be Rip Apart, White Sox, Royals, Tigers could move American League West Los Angeles Angels could move or end. OAKLAND was only the beginning. I think it might be tough for LAS VEGAS to get a NBA Team. Not because NBA won't succeed in Vegas. There are 12 Professional Teams in Vegas without A's. POLITICS could squash NBA in VEGAS. In My opinion. Politics lost all the Sports in Oakland. Young Men are being told not to be men. Unless they are Gamers! More young men can name you RUclips Influencers than name 5 Players in the NBA or 10 Players in NFL However is a wierd twist they can name baseball players & Hockey players & Caitlin Clark. Caitlin Clark is more popular than Tampa Bay Rays, Chicago White Soxs & Kansas City Royals, Sacramento Kings, Portland Trailblazers, MLS... I'm not being Hyperbolic.
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sad part is that all of this could had been avoided if they didnt change the insurance plan in hopes of trying to save a few bucks....
It has NOTHING, Repeat NOTHING to do with it. The Rays wanted an OUT because St. Pete is a BAD Area for MLB & they likely have likely a better deal in the works out of Fl, like in Nashville or Salt Lake. The insurance likely wouldn't cover the outdate and expired dome anyways. Roof was over 30 years old.
Yep. City Counsel should be held responsible at the very least. Saving 250k to later have to possibly spend 26 million to fill the gap they left in coverage.
We'll see if the insurance even pays off. Didn't the roof manufacturer say it was 9 years past its expected lifespan? Insurance covering aging roofs is a hot topic in Florida.
I think there'd be a $100 million fight to get a check applied to the new stadium as opposed to fixing the roof in the old one so they can play indoors for two years...
@@NewNomics The agreement for a new stadium does not include being able to play in Tropicana Field. There was always going to be a deductible for damage to Tropicana Field. If you're going to blame the city for taking a chance on their not being damage, then you need to blame the Rays for taking a chance I'm not being able to play there. Do you think Lloyd's whatever at the policy for the Rays for loss of income do the stadium damage? Damn right they would have. The company insures singers voices in athletes legs. This is exactly the sort of thing they would do.
So Pinellas is asking the Rays to commit to the agreement but they aren't willing to do so.
It sure sounds like it. And the county is trying to use their own failure to secure the previously agreed bonds as a negotiating tactic. Very curious.
Na Stuart Sternberg is a wall street billionaire he’s all in this for himself he’s the sole problem and always has been
I wish the County could sell bonds to help me fund repairs on my house.
FEMA will help you... if you voted the right way!!!!
@@RichWiands FEMA won't do shit !
Time to sell. Get a better city and better fans
Wow the county commission coming back with the receipts.
It sounds like the Rays want the County to break up with them instead of telling the County that this relationship is over.
Just move the team. The trop was a dump long before the roof collapsed
Tampa is a much better location for the team than St. Petersburg. It would be much easier for them to sell a high quantity of tickets to people from Lakeland and Orlando who don’t want to have to cross the bay. It would be especially good to put it out near the Seminole Hard Rock.
The argument that those in Tampa don't want to make a 40 minute drive across a bridge is out there so why would anyone in Orlando and Lakeland want to make the drive to Tampa? Still wondering if Big D is going to step in and build them a stadium on Big D property.
@ I live in Orlando personally know several baseball fans who go to several games a year. They have all said they would go to many more if the stadium were in Tampa.
@@davidbakerscuba I went to vacation last summer to DisneyWorld & during that trip, went to a Rays game in St Pete for the first (& probably) only time. The drive was too long, especially from Tampa to St Pete. Just having a ballpark in Tampa would definitely generate more attendance than it would in St Pete.
@@pugmalleyBig D?
@@pugmalleytons of people from Orlando and Lakeland go to a ton of bucs games in Tampa but not nearly as many for the Rays in St Pete
Screw Pinhead County - deal with Hillsborough County instead
"Who you calling Pinhead?"
Just please, please let the team stay in the region. 🙏
I’m a rays fan. At this point just move. I’m 24 and all I’ve ever known is this stupid stadium
I see two distinct possibilities: The Rays management decline to commit and begin the process of relocation, or the current Rays ownership places the team up for sale amid hopes another potential owner can infuse money to keep the team in Tampa and persuade Pinellas County to either level the current Trop site or find a more suitable location. I've been to Rays games and travelling to the stadium which is in short located on an island is slow, inconvenient and troublesome. It's a HUGE reason with all the recent success of the Rays the past 20 years or so they've been unable to draw. Personally, I'd like to see them move to Orlando if there is room to place a needed retractable-roof ballpark. The traffic infrastructure is already in place.
Just move to Orlando or Tampa.
Salt Lake City
@ rearranging the divisions would be hell. It’s best if it’s an east coast team.
@@alexanderscavello6253 the divisions would be so out of whack. It needs to be an east coast team.
@@alexanderscavello6253 besides, Orlando is more than twice the population of Salt Lake City, is a much larger market than SLC, is growing faster than SLC, and gets 10 times more visitors than SLC.
It’s not even close.
@@alexanderscavello6253no.... besides tons of Mormons, heat, and red rocks, nothing goes on in Utah
Do Floridians really want to deal with heat, humidity, weather and horrible traffic, to hang out with DJ Kitty--at The Trop--or anywhere?
Or do they get their fill of baseball during Spring Training?
Assuming that the local government is representative of The People, we can also (sadly) assume the answer to those questions.
And poor DJ Kitty still needs a Forever Home.
Let teams pay for stadiums. Simple as that. Bye bye mlb
Rays need to come to Vegas! Not the horrible team of Oakland
Just move the team out of Florida if they wont put the new ballpark in Tampa Bay not st Petersburg
Why would they put the stadium in the Bay? Wouldn't Tampa be better?
@@robertmcnearny9222 a floating baseball stadium would be unique.
Tampa bay is St Petersburg.
Just move them out regardless because Tampa Bay has shown they aren’t a good baseball market. Just like Arizona with the NHL
St Pete and Pinellas County are trying very hard to put the blame on the Rays when they and they alone are at fault.
The fact that the Rays appear disinterested in the process of staying local says volumes. I hope the Rays franchise folds and exerts maximal pain on the owner. If MLB wants a better franchise, find an owner who is interested in producing a great product, rather than one interested in stealing tax and public funds.
See, THIS is what bugs me: the Rays ownership's attitude.. but the Counties are not bending the knee this time.
See also: the Arizona Diamondbacks and Maricopa County.
News flash: half of the MLB owners are cheap and not interested in subsidizing their franchises. Tampa, Colorado, Pittsburgh, Oakland, Seattle, Cincinnati, Miami are among those teams. They can’t compete against the wealthy teams like the Dodgers or the Yankees.
Think about it from their perspective though. They are, at the end of the day, a business in which the owner wants to maximize profits. They have a deal in place, but that deal becomes upended due to the disaster. Suddenly, they have to find a different place to play. The city wants them to stay in Pinellas county because they are a source of tax revenue (not because they are actually interested in them staying in the region), and for the Rays, they can play in small minor league ballparks in decent locations, or they can play in the largest ballpark in the state (and the fourth largest in all of baseball) in a perfect location... Because no matter what they are going to take a hit in ticket sales, revenue and the ability to attract free agents. Time is of the essence, and the landlord is delaying things continuously and suddenly two new commissioners who are opposed to funding this project enter the mix. They decided they want to spend money to fix the Trop, but what's the point? Why waste money on that when you can just start the process to make a new stadium - but they are clinging to an old deal, so it's time for a new one. Rays have the vast majority of the leverage here and the city knows that and is continuously stumbling to the point you aren't even sure this is a great partner.
Now, what I will say is that the Rays communication in this has been off-putting at times, which I think is your concern. On the one hand, they haven't inspired much confidence in wanting to work with the city, but on the other, they have been pretty efficient in their communication in terms of where they are at and what they want. They think the deal is dead, and it's past time to renegotiate for a new one. Where, at this point, the Rays can try to get more if they want. The city is trying to cover their butts, but ultimately had they not delayed things in the first place, there would have been no problem... Or, if they did need a delay, they shouldn't have delayed it as long as they did when there was an election cycle coming up.
Stuart Sternberg showing his true colors
They should relocate to Orlando or Nashville
Orlando relocation or the Tampa side
Sunday deadline?
I guess relocation announcement by Saturday then
Very messy situation that a reason a team got relocated (moved market) is because of natural disasters
As a rays fan living in Orlando, I hope they move to Orlando. Orlando has the ability to build them a new stadium
Time for them to move.
Plot twist, rays move to Tampa and change their name to the “Tampa Rays” and put “Tampa” on their away jerseys just to spite St Pete.
Having MLB teams in Florida just doesn't make sense from an economic standpoint. If the Rays stay in Florida and they should build the new stadium in Tampa or Orlando.
In unrelated, related news: USF just broke ground on their new stadium.
They’re paying for it 100%
From alumni donors and the schools own money
@@vinnydiaz6959 Since USF is a public university, who is paying for some of the cost of the stadium?
@ no it’s paid for with the revenue the school makes
@ sponsorships, tuition, current revenue from the football team etc.
My opinion is that the current deal is dead. Either Hillsborough County figures out a deal with the Rays for a new Stadium in Tampa, or the Rays will look further East to Orlando.
The move to Orlando has never made more sense. When it comes to courting a team, Orlando has been ahead of every other prospecting city. Orange County already has voted on $975m towards their domed stadium and they had 12,000 season ticket requests in one day.
The Rays have no legal obligation to submit this letter, do they?
No, but they just won't get the bonds.
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Yeah. I heard this. More of the Fairgrounds area.
Haven’t heard that one yet. But who cares it not gonna happen
Beaches over Baseball! The Rays are a cheap broke team, and they ask too much of taxpayers. Our Beaches Come FIRST!
Just go up to Spring Hill and get some cheap land or go to Lakeland
Let the Rays go. If not on the tampa side, then let them move. Plenty of room on the tampa side
Time to move to Montreal and revive the Expos!
They can't move to Montreal, jump off the Montreal bandwagon, no place to play, forget the Big Owe, it's shut down
This is an excelent letter by Pinellas County. Histroically, sports team owners have assumed that they have all the leverage because they believed that politicians were afraid to be the person that "let the team move away" and therefore, they would agree to any stadium financing. However, it appears that Pinellas County has a binding agreement with firm dates that they are able to meet and the Rays seem to want something else. The Rays seems to be using the court of public opinion to try to get something else than what they already signed. Pinellas County is having nothing to do with this and is (rightfuly) demanding clear answers. They won't be bullied by the owners, won't waste all of their time with endless 'negotiations', and have seized all of the leverage. Sending this type of letter does have risk because the team could leave, but better to know now. Bravo Pinellas County for honoring the sanctity of contract law!
I laughed at this. there was a 100 million dollar hurricane policy out which WOULD have covered all the costs but Pinellas county cut that to 25 million this year- even when years before there were close calls. just to have 275k a year. they abrogated their responsibility to maintain the facility when they have a contractual obligation to maintain it. I hope the Rays move and the business owners move with them- it will help to crash the tax base and make them look even more worthless than having the Rays in St Pete to begin with.
These emails are crazy. People talk like this?
The problem is time. The rays are a small market team. They cannot afford to pay part of the new stadium and play in a smaller venue for the next three years. It's just that simple.
They are not relocating so let’s get that out of the way now. MLB has made that clear.
Now as for Ken Hagan he first broke that to JP Peterson last week that Tampa has a plan ready. They have the Ybor site ready now. This is gonna be done with a new Rays owner as Stu is going to be forced to sell the team now. Is it a done deal? Absolutely not.
They need to move spring training grapefruit league to puerto rico to give baseball in Florida a chance. You can watch half the teams in the league for a month, any team you choose. Maybe take a vacation 2-3 times a year and see them anywhere. It definitely cuts into rays amd marlins fan following, etc.
No chance. Small cities in Florida make a lot of money off of tourists coming to Florida to watch spring training. Teams invest a lot of money in their facilities here too. Its not just used for spring training and minor league teams. It also used for rehabbing players and working with players not currently on rosters.
Force a sale
So what’s Montreal up to these days?
In the coming weeks you will see publicized reports of the Rays taking meetings from representatives from places like Nashville, TN and Salt Lake City, UT. Either to force a deal or make plans to begin a move with MLB.
It kinda seems like Tampa does not want this team anymore
St pete
Florida failed the Rays lol can’t even sell out a playoff game. Move this team to Nashville.
Orlando or Tampa. Still both better markets and tourism draws than Nashville.
@@BlackSaiyan24 I keep reading on youtube comments everywhere that the Rays should move to Orlando that Orlando has a stadium deal ready to go. This is NOT accurate. There was one guy that wanted MLB in Orlando, Pat Williams, who proposed the idea of using TDT revenues to build an indoor ballpark on I-Drive next to Sea World.
The Orange County Commissioners and both mayors of OC and Orlando basically said "nah" and didn't even bother to take it up for a vote. They instead voted to spend massive amounts of money (over a billion when all added up) to expand the OC Convention Center, renovate Camping World Stadium, renovate the Kia Center, renovate the UCF football stadium, amongst some other things. The money is already allocated and there is no money left for a MLB stadium. And Pat Williams has since passed away.
So please stop this "rumor". It is true that Tampa/Hillsborough/St Pete/Pinellas taxpayers do not want to spend taxpayer money on a stadium for the Rays. They keep sending that message over and over again for two decades. Its just like the Coyotes situation in Arizona...the overwhelming majority of voters do NOT want tax money going to a new ballpark. So unless Pinellas County and the Rays kiss and make up they are going to move somewhere out of state.
They aren't going to Nashville. Nashville is already in the process of building a now $2.2 billion dollar stadium for the Titans. They ain't building another one.
What's with this moving the Rays to a city without a ballpark, that's essentially the same situation they are in right now in Tampa
@ what would be your suggestion? Oakland?
the 100 million dollar windstorm policy they had would have covered it, not the Rays fault they cut the insurance to 25 million a month before the storm because they were short sighted about saving 275k.
They are not relocating so let’s get that out of the way now. MLB has made that clear.
Manfred said the same thing about the A's
@ totally different situation
@@cg5968The A's are not the Rays , the only thing they have in common is that their names sound alike
Let's keep the only Tampa Milwaukee rivalry in sports
No since there isn't one
Call me crazy, but I remember seeing something about a combined Rays-Lightning stadium complex in downtown Tampa. Maybe revive that?
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For the last few weeks it realy seemed like the Rays were trying to get out of the agreement to play in Tampa...
But now with Auld's and the commissions statement it seems more like the Rays wanted the overuns covered and were getting cold feet.. they just want more... As they always have ... if that didnt happen they would go to Tampa.
But surprise to the Rays, Tampa isn't going to play thease types of games. Infact they are seeing this playout in real time and probabaly want to stay as far away as possible.
Infact Aulds most recent statement sounds like MLB stepped in and said "work it out, we want this market, you have a deal, do it or prepare to sell the team"
Even if the Rays do decide to relocate what do they do for a stadium in the meanwhile. The Yankees are allowing their spring training field this season but only this season . But even that is better than the A’s situation where free agent Dodger pitcher Walker Beuhler told the A’s he won’t play in a minor league park and the Yankees are perusing Mason Miller who would jump as a chance to get away from the A’s if possible . No MLB player wants to be on the A’s now stuck in a minor league park in Sacramento where it’s over 100 defers in the summer ..Manfred is doing to baseball what Fisher has done to the A’s only on a bigger level , he’s destroying the entire league instead of just one team
1) They could lease one of the other stadiums for the next season (Charlotte Sports Park, Baycare Ballpark, JetBlue Park, Joker Marchant Stadium, LoanDepot Park, Disney World Wide World of Sports, Al Lang, etc)
2) It is possible that the lease on Steinbrenner Field could be renewed another year if Hal Steinbrenner and the Yankees okay it. Sometimes leases for one season have option clauses for additional seasons if needed.
3) They could temporarily relocate out of the area to any open stadium that is MLB certified that can accomodate their scheduling.
I think St Pete has clearly shown they cannot support a MLB team. And now Pinellas County wants to play blame games. They also clearly don't support the team, but don't want to be held responsible. Time for the team to move on.
How to bring them to Tampa where do they belong🎉
Pinellas county isn’t telling the truth either. Latava has given 3 different reasons why they delayed it. One of the new commissioners ran on killing the Rays deal. Why have a vote which was 5-2 in favor. Just to delay a decision until later. Isn’t that what the vote is. The money for the stadium has nothing to do with the hurricane. It can only be used for tourism.
I live in Tampa and all the majority of the fans live here, St. Pete barely got fans that visit the park, on top of that nobody wants to live in St. Pete. There have been time that tickets are 15-20$ and I don’t buy them because we Tampa people have to drive 40min to go and comeback plus the traffic to St. Pete at 5pm is horrible.
No excuse. You guys didn't even show up for the last time they made the playoffs. If you truly cared you would have all gone
Nobody wants to live in St. Pete you say. Well, it's obvious you are stuck in Tampa because St. Petes real estate/ building high rise condos has been on absolute fire the last 6 or 7 years and shows no sign of slowing down. So yes, people do want to live in St. Pete. You are fake news. You Tampa people stay where you are at, please. You don't even know what bad traffic looks like.
@ last year I attend at least 50games and what trigger you ? The “nobody want to lived there part”
Best options as of now
1 build in Tampa Bay not St Pete in an area that's easy to get to and has ample parking
2 sell or move team to Nashville, Charlotte,longshot Orlando ,bigger longshot Oakland.Best of these is Nashville.
3 I don't see a third option
2 is the only real option. Al the problems existing would only be 100x worse if they take option 1
Don’t forgot longshot of Salt Lake City
Its ugly and the lawyers are making their money. I think the Rays actually have the leverage, because even if the stadium deal is dead, the Rays and their construction partner Hines still own the land around the new stadium and that land and development project is where the real profits are.
"We are eager to work with all partners on a solution for the 2029 season that keeps Major League Baseball in Tampa Bay for generations to come."
So they're gone. That's a given. The only question is where they're going to be playing in 2029. Early prediction: Nashville.
The Rays and A’s should just fold until 2028 when their new stadiums are built
The MLB players association will never go for that, that would like to putting MLB players on the street
But why did the county wait to see where the Rays would play in 2025 before voting on the bonds? It was obvious they were going to a temporary home in the area, since we knew the Trop could not be ready in 2025. They delayed the vote, raising costs for the team, because they're butthurt the Rays picked the best option in the Bay area (no not that Bay area) and not the inferior one in their county. Frankly if Hillsboro county offer something as good or better the team probably should jump there.
Just move out of Tampa if they don’t support funding. Same thing with the White Sox if they don’t want to pay public money to build then they don’t want you in their city
Might be time to move off of this topic
I see the Ray's future permanent home will be the following Elite 8:
1. Tampa
2. Nashville
3. Utah (Salt Lake City)
4. Orlando
5. Charlotte
6. Portland, OR
7. Austin
8. St. Petersburg
Only one out of these so called " elites have the funding for a MLB park none of the others have a ballpark plan ready to go, Google it Only Salt Lake City is shovel ready
Utah Rays sound pretty good. Unlikely, but still sounds good.
Teams will move overseas. There's reason why they play in Berlin, London, Mexico City. American League Central is about to be Rip Apart, White Sox, Royals, Tigers could move American League West Los Angeles Angels could move or end. OAKLAND was only the beginning. I think it might be tough for LAS VEGAS to get a NBA Team. Not because NBA won't succeed in Vegas. There are 12 Professional Teams in Vegas without A's. POLITICS could squash NBA in VEGAS. In My opinion. Politics lost all the Sports in Oakland. Young Men are being told not to be men. Unless they are Gamers! More young men can name you RUclips Influencers than name 5 Players in the NBA or 10 Players in NFL However is a wierd twist they can name baseball players & Hockey players & Caitlin Clark. Caitlin Clark is more popular than Tampa Bay Rays, Chicago White Soxs & Kansas City Royals, Sacramento Kings, Portland Trailblazers, MLS... I'm not being Hyperbolic.
Nobody really gives a rats ass about the WNBA except maybe 45 of their die hard fans
Caitlin Clark is a favorite of all 45 fans of the WNBA, baseball teams are not moving overseas